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A few random afternoon thoughts …

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 14, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Red Sox have acquired SS Alex Gonzalez and his .554 OPS. Being the shortstop of the Red Sox is like being one of the security officers beaming down to the planet with Captain Kirk. You’re only going to be around for so long.

Meanwhile:

• Mike and The Mad Dog busted up a year ago today. Mike continues on WFAN and remains a good listen. Not sure what Chris does these days.

• Received an e-mail today from the Bagram Air Field in Afghanistan. A major in the 7th Theater Tactical Signal Brigade wanted to say that reading about the Yankees brightened up his day. Sir, I think I can safely speak for everybody here when I say stay safe and come back home.

• I love dogs and Mike Vick is a heinous criminal. But he got caught and did his time. Football is what he does for a living and a man should be allowed to make a living. If the Eagles want to sign him, that’s their business. Frankly, I wish the Patriots had.

• Did I really make a Star Trek reference? I think I did.

• The Mets just sent out an e-mail that that said “Mets unveil enhancements to Citi Field.” The list did not include, “Plan to field competitive team run by professionals.”

• Good piece by Sweeny Murti today on Mariano Rivera.

That’s it for now. I’ll get the game post on line around 6 p.m. or so. Yankees-Mariners at 10:10 again tonight.

It’s not official yet, but it sounds like the Yankees could put Joba back into the rotation rather than use Mitre and Gaudin on consecutive days. CC’s long start certainly helped the bullpen last night.

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  1. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    Pete, you seem bored today. Is there anything left to do in Seattle after you have seen the Space Needle, went to Starbucks and rode a ferry???

  2. betsy August 14th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    I’m not sure how I feel about Vick being allowed to play again. I would lean towards allowing him to because he did serve his time. That said: Evan Roberts is really raking Michael Vick over the coals and I say good for him. Vick didn’t make a mistake or two – he made choices to murder those animals. Vick was in Chicago a couple of days ago and rumors were that he was there to sign with the Bears. Boy, am I glad those rumors were unfounded….I could never root for him.

  3. Tom in N.J. August 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    “Pete, you seem bored today. Is there anything left to do in Seattle after you have seen the Space Needle, went to Starbucks and rode a ferry???”

    Is Pete Sleepless in…oh nevermind.

    I’ll show myself out….

  4. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Repost:

    I wouldn’t have had a problem if the Giants had signed Vick as backup.

    He’s not a great guy. So what? There are drunk drivers who killed people in the NFL. Nobody cares. Ty Cobb back in the day was one of the worst people short of mass murdering dictators ever to walk the planet. Nobody cares.

    This isn’t a goodwill house, it’s a football team. If Vick could help them win that’s why I watch him, not see him go to church and perform pennance for killing animals.

    And I am the proud owner of a rescue dog so nobody accuse me of anything please.

    Rant over.

  5. Tseng August 14th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Peter Gammons will love this move. I expect to hear things about the AG’s defensive abilities and grit.

  6. Yada Yada Yada August 14th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    Indeed, you did use a Star Trek reference, but it was spot-on.

    You also could have used a ‘drummer for Spinal Tap’ reference.

  7. Fran (the original) and OPPC member August 14th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Michael Vick served his time. I think he should be able to go back to work and earn a living like anyone else who has done their time. I am a big Jets fan and I would not have minded if the Jets signed him.

  8. CB August 14th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    repost:

    “also right handed hitters have always been penalized by yankee stadium , so if being easier in one place( left field) is bad, why isn’t being harder in another place(right field) not bad too.”

    I agree. This isn’t an either or question.

    It literally gets down to this – how much?

    How much of a disproportionate advantage do you want to give LH hitters.

    That’s it.

    LH hitters had an advantage in the old stadium. That was clear. They have a diproportionate advantage in the new stadium but it appears to be even larger.

    So it’s a question of how big you want that disadvantage.

    And I have a feeling that if the team were to happen to let Matsui go, Damon gets a 3 year deal somewhere else and the team signs Holliday and DH’s montero next year lots and lots of yankee fans aren’t going to be real happy with the way the stadium plays.

    And on jeter – I’m sure that short porch influenced his swing.

    But I’m also pretty certain that that inside out swing feels right to him – his entire hitting strategy is built on it.

    And I’m also pretty sure most players – even very talented ones – don’t have Jeter’s bat control so they wouldn’t necessarily be able to leverage the stadium as well as Jeter has.

    There’s a reason why Jeter has so many HR as a RH hitter in the new stadium but Mark Teixeira has so few as a RH hitter. They just have very different swings.

    And on a side note – part of why people are now so happy with the way the stadium is playing that they are taking for granted is Alex Rodriguez’s historically great talent as a RH hitter.

    The yankees offense happens to be anchored at the current time by a RH hitter for whom park dimensions are a secondary concern because when he’s at his best he’s hitting home runs to the deepest part of the playing field and that makes dimensions largely irrelevant.

    That’s not a real reproducible skill set. Ask David Wright about that.

    It’s an interesting debate. But to me it’s a question of how much advantage is the “right” amount.

  9. Hokiehill August 14th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Pete, to your comment to close the last thread…I don’t think the dimensions only help the Yankees. My point is, if the new dimensions are helping the Yankees and their opponents this season, who cares…we have the best record in baseball. Even if we didn’t it’s the same ball park for both teams. I just don’t understand why the new park HAS to have the same dimensions as the old one? If the old park had walls that were 5 feet shorter the so called “cheapies” would just be home runs in a hitter friendly park today.

  10. Bob Shirley's Rubber Arm August 14th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    speak for yourself on francesa…oh wait, its your blog you can say whatever you want! fatcessa solo is awful. russo will have the last laugh in NYC.

  11. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    David Wright’s HR drought is really weird. It’s not the stadium; he’s not hitting them on the road either.

  12. ADam August 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    I think the yanks should stay the course and keep jobber on this 7 day rest plan…. Will be fascinating to watch what happens down the stretch…

  13. upstate kate August 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    I am a huge dog lover, worked as a vet tech until I tore my rotater cuff and went back to school to get my MBA. I have 2 dogs who are part of the family, go everywhere, sleep on the bed etc. My younger dog is blind in one eye from an unproved pitbull attack (it was a rescue dog).
    While I don’t condone anything Vick did, he served his time and deserves another chance. In fact, he could do a lot of good by changing the fighting dog culture.

  14. ANSKY August 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    Agreed on Michael Vick. I love dogs too. He’s a criminal, and he did his time. He better be truthful about changing his ways though.

    One thing I’ll say about Arroyo. At least it sounds like the guys’ being fairly honest about PED’s. Doesn’t make taking them right, but at least he’s not pulling a Barry Bonds when confronted with it.

  15. Mazz August 14th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    The Giants signed 2 guys who beat up their wives this off-season (Boley and Rocky Bernard), yet nobody said anything.

    Face it, the league is filled with felons. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.

  16. betsy August 14th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Don’t forget the Red Shirt, Pete, lol…….

    Francesca remains a good listen if you have a taste for radio talk show hosts with enormous egos who refuse to let their callers speak and and answers interviewees questions for them. That said, I admit that I can’t help tuning in……even though 95% of the time, I end up turning the radio off (like when he rhapsodizes about the Red Sox).

    If we an avoid Gaudin and Mitre back to back, I think that’s vital. I know a 6/12 game lead seems like a lot , but a few games here and there and the Sox are right back in it. This is a tough road trip, at the end of which we face the Sox….really, all the Sox need to do is gain a couple of games over the next week or so and they are in decent shape.

  17. Phil August 14th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    The weird thing is that ARod has not hit many more homers to right… yet. It’s also strange that Swisher hasn’t had a part there.

    btw, we’re not signing Halladay, and Damon will probably be back.

  18. saucY August 14th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    the thing with Vick is that he made a concious decision to do what he did. most of the other criminals in the NFL can at least try to blame on being intoxicated/poor judgement/caught up in the moment/whatever. i knew he’d be signed by someone, eventually though, as all the other crimials have (aside from those with pending court cases…)

    he served his time that our legal system had for him. sure. but the guy is an entertainer, and easily replaceable…

    if we want to restrict criminals from playing a sport, where do you draw the line?

  19. jennifer August 14th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Mike a good listen? Yeah if you want a good laugh and listen to someone who doesn’t know anything about the Yankees. :D

  20. Jake August 14th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Why is everyone on talk radio talking about Michael Vick?

    Why no mention of the Yankees and CC’s performance, or the offense performance? Why are they ignoring the best team in the league in favor of the criminal Vick?

  21. Wolf In Pinstripes August 14th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    So the Sox have picked up a shortstop that they previously let go. Even with allowing him some room for having been out a month for removal of bone spurs, Gonzalez is a shell of the player he used to be. I don’t see this move helping them much.

  22. Cp August 14th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Russo has a station on Sirius/xm making about 3 million per year. I think he is doing just fine

  23. CB August 14th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    “btw, we’re not signing Halladay, and Damon will probably be back.”

    It was a hypothetical. But good to know you’re tight with the front office.

  24. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Vick was invovled with dogfighting.

    Two players on MY Giants beat theri wives as Mazz said.

    Don’t you think that doind something to humans is far worse than doing something to animals?

    Yet who’s being victimized here?

  25. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Mark Da Rosa (Yonkers, NY)

    Where would Jesus Montero rank as a prospect?

    Keith Law (3:22 PM)

    He’s probably top 10 now, definitely top 20, even with the positional question. I underrated him last winter because I dinged him too much on position and didn’t properly weight his bat.

  26. Yada Yada Yada August 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Russo recently had a complete melt-down, throwing every single staff member under the bus, and basically ended up looking like a complete jackass.

    He’s been exposed as an overrated hack w/little-to-no management skills and a dwindling fan base.

    Francesa, love him or hate him, has basically come through unscathed ratings-wise. How he’s managed to do it w/absolutely no sense of humor is beyond me, but there he is.

  27. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    PIT-CHC game getting really ugly

  28. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Mike is an ENTERTAINING listen. If you want intelligent and well tohught out opinions and analysis, based on facts and hard evidence, probably not the guy for you. If you want to be entertained he’s just fine.

  29. Jimmy the Saint August 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    • The Mets just sent out an e-mail that that said “Mets unveil enhancements to Citi Field.” The list did not include, “Plan to field competitive team run by professionals.”

    Thanks a lot, Pete!! ;-)

  30. DC Mike August 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    We’re going to have to start Mitre/Gaudin back to back at some point. If they don’t do it this week, then it will be done after the Sox series. They have to skip Joba at some point, he isin’t going to make every start from here until we clinch the division.

    And after the Sox series, we have 6 against the Rangers and White Sox, so there is no soft landing spot for a while. I’d rather start Gaudin against Seattle than those teams.

  31. Proctor's elbow August 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Yeah Russo has his own “channel” on Sirius/XM radio and is still doing an ok job. Fans across the country seem to dislike his NY slant but most of his callers are from the area so he’s forced to talk Yankees, Mets, Giants and Jets more than anything else. Some hick callers from down south call in and complain that he doesn’t talk ACC basketball or NASCAR but he doesn’t seem to care. He still acts like he’s 90 years old about some things and if he was actually working today I’m sure he’d have a rant prepared about Mike Vick. After reading what Vick did for the first time I think he got off easy. 2 years is nothing for what he participated in. But I do believe he deserves a chance to make a living and this is all he knows how to do. So be it. With that said I hope my Giants squash the Iggles both times we play them this season.

  32. MikeBoston August 14th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    repost: why the hell is joba being skipped next week and not this week??? Why go with mitre in fenway when you can have joba pitching there, where last year in fenway he shut them out through 7+, that makes no sense! Unless they tinker so it can be cc, aj and ap in fenway i don’t like this 1 bit!

  33. Scorpio August 14th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Pete – if you’re hungry and/or bored go to “Salumi”…IIRC, it’s within walking distance to SafeCo. It’s Mario Batali’s dad’s place. Awesome sandwiches.

  34. KKM August 14th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Hey Pete,

    If you are indeed bored or “sleepless” in seattle I know some great spots.

  35. Hokiehill August 14th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    “whether or not they adjust the right field wall next season, I think it’s imperative that they find a way to keep fans in the first row from being able to interfere w/play. eventually, it’s bound to bite them in the tush.”

    Maybe fans who sit in the front row should be required to pass an IQ test…it’s really not that difficult not to be an idiot out there. I sat in the front row in left field during the first game of the last Red Sox series and found it extremely easy to sit there without pouring beer on anyone or interfering with the game…

    now it WAS difficult to refrain from yelling stupid things at Pukelis about the rip in his pants or his terrible play in LF.

  36. betsy August 14th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Pete, in response to your post from the prior thread………the pen earlier in the year stunk, for various reasons. They were terrible at home AND on the road. The pitching has been much, much better recently…….if the Stadium is the same (and it is, since obviously no changes were made to it), then you have to think that the problem earlier was the pitching. Why aren’t we seeing too many cheapies? And though we’ve seen a few, every stadium gives up it’s share.

  37. jennifer August 14th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Evan was also ripping Jay Feeley for something he posted on twitter

    For those of you who are so condemning to Mike Vick; take a look at your own life and think about if your darkest secrets were left bare

    Um Jay, my worst day is not even Vick’s best. Jay really needs to get his head out of his butt.

    Vick murdered dogs, electrocuted them, made them fight each other.

  38. betsy August 14th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Also, how good is Alex Gonzalez? Is he a huge upgrade for the Sox?

  39. Wave Your Hat August 14th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Revisiting the stadium size issue-

    A colleague of mine reminded me of a Bill James study where he looked at the issue. I don’t have the link, but our recollection is that the upshot of the study was that hitter’s parks disproportionately hurt the team that plays in them, but that pitcher’s parks don’t seem to hurt the team that plays there.

    FWIW.

  40. Y 27 August 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Gaudin’s 2 starts vs. Seattle this year:

    6 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 2 BB. 8 K
    7 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 11 K

  41. CarlinNJ August 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Why on earth do you promote your Patriots allegience here?

  42. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Rishi
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
    PIT-CHC game getting really ugly

    ****
    Poor Charlie Morton didn’t have it today, huh? Yipes

  43. Peter Abraham August 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    betsy:

    Why aren’t see seeing too many cheapies? do you not watch the games? I assume you’re kidding. Look at the stats, the new Stadium is giving up home runs at a record-setting pace.

    and the dimensions are not the same, the walls are shorter and the gap in right is a straight line, not curved out like across the street. there are photos to prove it.

  44. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Yeah I haven’t done anything remotely as bad as Vick has.

    I don’t declare to be a Saint by any means. But that is a DUMB, dumb comment.

  45. Niles Crane August 14th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Peter,
    If a libation of the coffee variety siuts you may I suggest Cafe Nervosa.

  46. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    In 68 games Alex Gonzalez is hitting .210 with 3 HR and 26 RBI with Cinncinatti. So I am guessing he won’t be saving the BoSox season

  47. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    But Pete, she does seem to have a point; the HR rate as gone down.

    IMO the beginning of the year was a weird aberration; we’ll never see balls hit out of here at that rate again.

    I think that next year this Stadium’s HR totals will be very similar to the old one’s.

  48. Martin Crane August 14th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Go to Dukes for a beer, Pete.

  49. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    besty, put bluntly Gonzalez is awful. He has a good glove and no bat to speak of.

  50. Laura - I like the new and improved Alex! He's a keeper. August 14th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Like many have said, Vick served his time and deserves the chance to rebuild his life. This outrage is extremely hypocritical considering that many in the NFL have done far worse than fight dogs.

    Put Joba back in the rotation. Mitre and Gaudin back to back in the rotation = disaster.

    Pete, the Star Trek reference was awesome. Been a Trekkie for over 30 years. Live long and prosper.

  51. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
    Rishi
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
    PIT-CHC game getting really ugly

    ****
    Poor Charlie Morton didn’t have it today, huh? Yipes

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    At least it’s something after they way in which they have been losing, but really – 14 runs in 2 innings is ridiculous! Save some for the rest of the season! :)

    [I want the Cubbies to win the Central b/c I've had just about enough from a STL fan co-worker]

  52. William Buckner August 14th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”. Ghandi.

    I don’t think you can minimize VIck’s actions. He does have a right to earn a living. He doesn’t have a right to earn it in the manner he chooses.

    How many of you would still have your job had you been convicted of dog fighting?

  53. betsy August 14th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Jennifer, I agree……and the fact that the Giants have two wife beaters or whatever on their team has nothing to do with how I feel about Vick. Those guys should not be on the Giants……not in the league, either, along with Leonard Little.

  54. Hokiehill August 14th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    “Look at the stats, the new Stadium is giving up home runs at a record-setting pace.

    and the dimensions are not the same, the walls are shorter and the gap in right is a straight line, not curved out like across the street. there are photos to prove it.”

    I still don’t see why it’s a problem? Something has to make up for the lack of steriods…why not just shrink all ball parks…

    (the steriod part was a joke, but honestly, who cares if a record number of HRs is being hit aside from statisticians?)

  55. Pvt. Parts August 14th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    CarlinNJ August 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Why on earth do you promote your Patriots allegience here?

    ————————–

    maybe you missed the important bit of info up top:

    by Journal News beat writer Peter Abraham

    when it says ‘by Journal News beat writer CarlinNJ’ you can write about what you like.

  56. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Rishi-

    I’d like to see the Cubbies in the playoffs too. If for no other reason, cause of our old friend Lou.

    Also, if the Yankees face the Cubs in the Series (assuming they get past Philly and LA) we automatically win cause they are cursed! LOL

  57. Ian August 14th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    When Vick throws a 70 yard downfield flea-flicker TD on a trick play to Deshaun Jackson, nobody will remember what he did.

    Was anyone thinking about steroids when A-Rod hit that 1st pitch 3 run HR in Baltimore?

    When Kobe Bryant was scoring 60 points at MSG, did anyone think about what happened in Colorado?

    Just win baby. This is professional sports not a choir.

  58. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Is dog fighting a felony? If I were convicted of a felony I would be very unemployed

  59. Ace August 14th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Always ripping on Mad Dog.

    Sirius Satellite radio is so much better than terrestrial radio. Unless you like short segments, constant commercial interruption, censored hosts and callers and a limited broadcast range.

  60. betsy August 14th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Pete, the Yankees hit an awful lot of HRs and most of them are crushed. I just don’t like the idea that every HR the Yankees hit (or the opposition, for that matter) is because of the stadium…….and that is the impression most of the media is giving.

  61. saucY August 14th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    i don’t know the details of most of the other criminals in the NFL. Vick’s crime is up there with the worst of them though. he and some of the other criminals should not be playing. multiple wrongs don’t make a right…

  62. hardwired August 14th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Why on earth do you promote your Patriots allegience here?

    ————————

    I could be wrong, but I’m guessing it has something to do w/this:

    by Journal News beat writer Peter Abraham

    maybe when it says:

    by Journal News beat writer CarlinNJ you can focus on what interests you.

  63. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Dog fighting is a felony…but then you’re talking about changing around the culture of the NFL. I’m all for it, believe me, but I doubt the league is. The general consensus is that you could be a total jerk and still have a job on the NFL if you’re a good player. It’ll take more than Michael Vick to change that.

  64. jennifer August 14th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Laura – I like the new and improved Alex! He’s a keeper. August 14th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Like many have said, Vick served his time and deserves the chance to rebuild his life. This outrage is extremely hypocritical considering that many in the NFL have done far worse than fight dogs.
    ***********
    It’s not hypocritical. I don’t think those two wife beaters should be in the league either, same with the guy who murdered someone while driving drunk. Playing in the NFL is a privilege not a right. I love hearing people say he has the right to earn a living. Okay go to McDonalds, or a construction site. Earning a living to me is making 50 grand. Not the millions that he has the potential to make.

  65. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    aucY-I disagree. It’s not up with the worst of them; most of the crimes involve human beings.

  66. Demo August 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Harming animals is worse than harming humans. Animals are indefensible. Humans are not.

    If you are being abused by your spouse, you can always run to the kitchen and throw a vase at him. What is the animals’ defense?

  67. William Buckner August 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    “Is dog fighting a felony? If I were convicted of a felony I would be very unemployed”

    It is very much a felony. You don’t do 23 months in a fed prison for misdemeanor.

  68. Dutch Hugo August 14th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    I couldn’t care less what Michael Vick does on the field. Not an NFL fan at all. I am a dog lover, and while I deplore what Vick did, I think he can do a LOT of good now, working with the Humane Society, ASPCA and whoever else to get the word out to young men that cruelty to animals is disgusting and should never be considered excusable. By playing in the NFL and being in the limelight, he can have a very positive influence from here on out.

  69. DT - OPPC member (blood type - Positive) August 14th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    The Yankees are starting to get Belicheckian.

    “Joba might start Sunday. Well maybe not. It could be Gaudin. It could be Mitre. Maybe will start after all.”

    Is this all because Eiland/Girardi/Cashman aren’t on the same page?

  70. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 14th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    “With all of the poverty in the world and the joblessness in America you’d think people would worry about that stuff…but the only thing that some people care about is the dimesions of the New Yankee Stadium.”

    Um, that’s great, but how come I never see you posting on the Pete Abe’s other site, the LoHud Global Poverty Blog?

    Meanwhile, as I keep one eye on the troubling trends in nuclear proliferation, I am also very curious about when and where Joba will next start and when we’ll know for sure.

    I would really like to see him pitch in Oakland. Might it depend on how long Andy goes tonight?

  71. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    You all make good points on Vick…but if you’re letting wife beaters and drunk drivers in the NFL, you have to let Vick in.

    You’re right, they should probably allow none of them…but they’re in and I’ll root for them until and if they kick them out.

  72. steve August 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Torturing animals gets you 23 months in prison, yet if you rob a bank, you could get 15 years

    it’s not fair

  73. Phil August 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    The walls are apparently too close at Safeco, too.

  74. William Buckner August 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    However, regardless of the point I made above, an employer wanted to hire him, go with god.

  75. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Jennifer-

    The guy who drove DUI and killed someone in the NFL was suspensed for a season without pay

  76. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    There’s the thing though…he was only suspended for one season. He’ll be back next year.

  77. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    “Um, that’s great, but how come I never see you posting on the Pete Abe’s other site, the LoHud Global Poverty Blog?”

    Nick-

    Where is the link to that blog. It sounds like a party! LOL

  78. William Buckner August 14th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    “Torturing animals gets you 23 months in prison, yet if you rob a bank, you could get 15 years

    it’s not fair”

    Should you get less time for robbing banks?

  79. DT - OPPC member (blood type - Positive) August 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    “How many of you would still have your job had you been convicted of dog fighting?”

    Depends upon the job. Depends upon your ability.

    If I was working at the ASPCA – probably not.

    If I was the world’s smartest rocket scientist, and some company was looking for a rocket scientist – I bet I would be forgiven.

  80. saucY August 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Wait till we visit the Sardine Can
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
    aucY-I disagree. It’s not up with the worst of them; most of the crimes involve human beings.

    —-

    i guess we disagree then. i don’t see how you can excuse such a conscious decision. you don’t accidentally start dog fighting rings because your drunk or had a rough day…

    and as Demo stated: Animals are indefensible.

  81. hardwired August 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    I thought Christian Guzman made more sense for Boston as they really need another live bat. I guess the $$$ drove them off. Granted, Guzman’s OBP is low for a leadoff type, but they look like All Star numbers compared to Gonzalez’s.

  82. Lance August 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    I’d prefer Vick not coming to the NFC East

    Him, McNabb, Westbrook, Jackson, and Maclain can form some scary formations for the Giants D. So much speed and playmaking ability on the field.

  83. Espresso August 14th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    The Tap Room is a good place to check out in Seattle. It has 180 beers on tap. Of course the weather was tons better a week ago. Still a drive out to the mountains is a good way to spend the day. You can’t see them like that in New York.

  84. ANSKY August 14th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    CB – Although they’re different kinds of hitters, I see the stadium helping Jeter combined with his willingness to use it to his advantage in a somewhat similar way to how Wade Boggs once prospered in Fenway.

    Boggs was often going inside out, the other way or whatever and hitting the ball towards the LF wall in Fenway. Seemed to be as much that he learned to be a more patient singles/doubles hitter because of the LF wall as that he was already a patient hitter who simply used that wall to his advantage. No matter how you looked at it, hitting there just seemed natural for him. He had a .350+ BA for a whole decade there fer chrissakes.

    Now he’s no Boggs at the plate (especially the late 80′s Boggs) but Jeter does seem to have a knack for going the other way or hitting inside-out HRs to the short porch in right. I wonder if he does it more at home than the road. Anyone know? Stat heads? Metric maniacs? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

    With Boggs he also had a great eye though. It was rare for him to totally miss a pitch that he swung his bat at. Also, as a fan of his team’s opponents you might be willing to believe that umps would sometimes call a borderline pitch a ball simply because he didn’t swing at it. It was almost like … if Boggs didn’t swing then it couldn’t have been a strike.

  85. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    It isn’t Yankee Stadium. Perhaps you can explain Jason Bartlett and Ben Zobrist, both with at least 5 years in the Majors and getting close to doubling their career home runs….not season high….career totals. Look at Clint barmes….1300 at bats before tis year with 30 homers. 400 this year and has 17.

    Compare the 2009 baseball with last year’s and the 2007 baseball. Then, compare it to the Titlist. The 2009 version has more in common to the Titlist.

  86. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    “Vick was invovled with dogfighting.
    Two players on MY Giants beat theri wives as Mazz said.
    Don’t you think that doind something to humans is far worse than doing something to animals?
    Yet who’s being victimized here”

    in my view the story of the day, is the Eagles owner. Personally, he told me what i wanted to hear. He said, if Vick is not pro-active (in solving dogfighting issues) in the community, he will “not be on the team”. He said, this is part of the agreement. When is the last time you heard an owner in professional sports, demand this level of accountability from a player?

    like i said, in my view this is the news story today. It may be all talk, but i like what he said.

    incidentally: Michael Vick, although articulate, did not strike me as someone “who gets it” today. He never once referenced the suffering/torment, which he inflicted on these animals. Anyway, i will let God judge him.

  87. Dutch Hugo August 14th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    the bigger question on Stallworth (who drove drunk and killed a pedestrian) isn’t his playing status, but how in God’s name does he only end up doing two weeks in jail? Someone explain that one to me…

  88. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    I did a study on PETA a long time ago. This is slightly off topic, but I’m going on a soapbox here: Don’t listen to PETA.

    Do not. Don’t. Don’t go anywhere near them.

    Even brief research into PETA would open your eyes. They’re insane. Certifiably, mentally ill.

    Quotes from PETA are things like they’d use violence to get the rights they want for animals…dogs and even clams have more right to life than a retarded child…anybody who squashes bugs is as bad as a murderer…if there were a dog and a retarded child in a house, I would save the dog…they compared slavery to the slaughter of chickens for eating.

    In short, STAY AWAY FROM PETA. They’re terrorists.

  89. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    I hate working on Friday afternoons :cry:

  90. ANSKY August 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Back to reinstating Michael Vick: I think the approach to his conduct going forwards has to be ‘one strike and you’re out, pal’.

  91. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    I foresee this thread taking an incredibly ugly turn now….

  92. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Erica: it gets more action than the LoHud Mets blog. ;)

  93. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    The Eagles are just really overrated in my mind, Lance.

    Our defense is a top three defense in the league. The Eagles don’t scare me.

  94. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    “Still a drive out to the mountains is a good way to spend the day. You can’t see them like that in New York”

    the Adirondeck MTN’s may not the Pacific Northwest, but it is pretty nice. And the Hudson Highlands, as well

  95. Scorpio August 14th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Vick did his time. I DO NOT agree with his actions but he’s paid the price society set. I ate a hamburger for lunch today, I wonder how many cows I’ve caused to die. Apparently, not all animals are created equal.

  96. K-Zone August 14th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Atleast we’re not comparing Chad Gaudin’s GF to Kate Hudson today

    (atleast not so far)

  97. jennifer August 14th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Wait till we visit the Sardine Can

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because you let that pond scum play, doesn’t mean you have to let the other.

  98. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    400 this year and has 17.

    Correction: 400 at bats

  99. BD 2.0 August 14th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    I agree with Pete 100% on Vick.

    what he did was horrible.

    but what you expect people to do when they get out of jail?

    NOT WORK??

    if they are reformed, which is what their jailtime is supposed to do, we should encourage them to get jobs and work and earn an honest living.

    more power to Michael and I hope he has learned from his mistakes. best of luck to him.

  100. NITRO August 14th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Vick has to “suffer” and only accept $1.6 million this year with a $5 million dollar option for next year.

  101. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    jennifer-It kind of does; how do you rationalize it then?

    Vivk tortured animals but Stallworth drove drunk and killed a man; we’ve given Stallworth a one year suspension, but we’re banning Vick from the league.”

    I doubt that’d go over well.

  102. saucY August 14th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    “but what you expect people to do when they get out of jail? ”

    get a regular job. not one in showbiz… sorry.

  103. Homer August 14th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Teixeria had 144 RBIs in 2005. He needs 59 RBIs this year to catch that.

  104. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    “Our defense is a top three defense in the league. The Eagles don’t scare me”

    the Giants will kick the **** out of them.

  105. LoHud Mets blog August 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Hey I’m in a slump!

  106. Dutch Hugo August 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    GreenBeret 7 — you hit the nail on the head. A LOT of guys are hitting homers this year at more than unprecedented rates. Yet all the fratboobs on ESPN want to blather about is how many homers are hit at Yankee Stadium. Someone needs to take a look at the ball. There’s also the factor of the tiny parks all over baseball. And the horrendous pitching plays a factor too. Instead of the tired b.s. about the new Yankee Stadium, why doesn’t someone study, for instance, how Fenway Park turns average (or worse) hitters into “stars”? Nick Green is on a pace to hit 9 homers and 28 doubles (!) in part-time play this year. I mean, come on…

  107. ANSKY August 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    I don;t think it’s the stadium, GB7.

    If it was just the stadium with its ever so slightly closer & shorter fences, then we’d have lots of HRs landing in the 2nd or 3rd rows.

    But that hasn’t been the case … we have lots of HRs landing in the 2nd & 3rd decks.

    Yes a few cheapies have been hit, but not as many as the moon shots.

  108. CB August 14th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    “Although they’re different kinds of hitters, I see the stadium helping Jeter combined with his willingness to use it to his advantage in a somewhat similar way to how Wade Boggs once prospered in Fenway.”

    I agree with you. In know way at all was I knocking Jeter.

    Just the opposite.

    My point was this – right now the Yankees just happen to have two very special right handed hitters in their line up – right handed hitters for whom the way the stadium plays short in RF and long in left field doesn’t really affect.

    But moving forward into the future there is no guarantee that the right handed hitters they have will be able to be as effective in the stadium.

    Jeter has the bat control needed to do things like take advantge of RF. As you point out Wade Boggs had the same.

    Unfortunately, you can’t really count on having hall of fame players everywhere.

    Just because the stadium is playing to the yankees advantage right now does not mean it will continue to do so in the future.

    There is no way anyone can know that. So the notion of why change the stadium we’re in first place now is simply short sighted.

  109. Ian August 14th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Zobrist and Bartlett are on steroids.

    How does that change the fact that the ball carries at NYS?

  110. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Vick got out of jail though. If someone wants to hire him, that’s their business. Let him go.

  111. A-ROD! A-ROD! August 14th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    bauhaus can always be trusted for espresso and hipsters, but if it’s a nice day then i would go to alki and spuds.

  112. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    How good are the New York Yankees’ chances of playing in another World Series?

    History tells us this: Dating back to 1995, eight of the 14 teams that owned the best record in baseball on Aug. 13 have advanced to that year’s World Series (and four of those teams won).

    The eight best record on Aug. 13/World Series teams: 2007 Boston Red Sox, 2006 Detroit Tigers, 2005 Chicago White Sox, 2004 St. Louis Cardinals, 1999 New York Yankees, 1998 New York Yankees, 1996 Atlanta Braves and 1995 Cleveland Indians.

    The four World Series winners: 2007 Red Sox, 2005 White Sox, the 1999 Yankees and the ’98 Yankees.

    The Yankees, by the way, are the seventh different team over the past seven seasons to own the best record in baseball on Aug. 13.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/6270335

  113. Uncle Ellsworth August 14th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
    I foresee this thread taking an incredibly ugly turn now….

    I hear that.

  114. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    LoHud Mets blog
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    Hey I’m in a slump!

    ****

    Is there a less controversial thread going ont here right now??? LOL. Something more family fun, which is well… pretty much anything

  115. BD 2.0 August 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    how do all of you feel about hunting/killing animals?

    I definitely realize there is a major difference between hunting and what Michael Vick did.

    I’m not supporting either, just curious if anyone has an opinion.

    Why is hunting for sport ok and considered no big deal in our society?

  116. DT - OPPC member (blood type - Positive) August 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    “In short, STAY AWAY FROM PETA. They’re terrorists.”

    Stay away from Pita? Where does it end?

    Next it will be Hummus. Then Feta Cheese.
    I’ll fight for the right to have my Tzatziki Sauce.
    Damn terrorists.

  117. Zach August 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    “Football is what he does for a living and a man should be allowed to make a living.”

    That logic is false. If a teacher is a pervert and gets caught, is he allowed to go back to teaching after jail because thats what he does for a living?
    If someone wants to sign Vick that’s their choice, but dont try to say that a team must sign him.

  118. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Giants: Past two years, 1 Super Bowl

    Eagles: Their entire existence 0 Super Bowls

    It’s good being a Giants fan.

  119. Patrick August 14th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Even though the New Yankee Stadium gives up a ton of homers, according to park factors it is right in the middle of the pack for run production. Although more homers are hit in NYS, there are far less doubles and triples which suppresses the number of runs scored.

  120. Vrsce August 14th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Mad Dog makes $3mm per year on a 5 year contract. Not bad money.

  121. Gates August 14th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    So what do people want Vick to do? Execute himself?

    He paid his debt to society, he should be allowed to live his life now.

  122. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Haha DT. Haha.

    Actually the hunters are probably the biggest conservationists of them all. While I don’t condone hunting for sport tthe hunters more than make up for it with the wildlife they actually preserve.

  123. COL 88 August 14th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    McNabb always has his Chunky soup to fall back on…..

  124. Thurman August 14th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Pete – Nice note about the Major in Afghanistan. My son is a Senior Airman at Bastion in Afghanistan, and my son-in-law is a Marine 1st Lieutenant on the ground training Afghani forces. Believe me, I’m with you on those sentiments.

  125. Forntoso August 14th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    “Mad Dog makes $3mm per year on a 5 year contract. Not bad money.”

    Most overpaid human being on the planet.

  126. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Actually Erica considering the topic up for discussion I think we’re all being quite civil.

  127. Uncle Ellsworth August 14th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
    LoHud Mets blog
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    Hey I’m in a slump!

    ****

    Is there a less controversial thread going ont here right now??? LOL. Something more family fun, which is well… pretty much anything

    Ghost town.
    Remember when the Brady’s went to the Grand Canyon??

    Bob by! ……… Cin dy!

  128. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    DT-

    Sabra’s Roasted Garlic hummus is seriously good.

  129. Dutch Hugo August 14th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Jennifer, I think the way to look at it is like this: If by reaching out to inner-city kids and young men now, Vick can use his NFL celebrity status to convince even a few of them to not get into dogfighting or give up dogfighting, and start treating dogs with love and compassion, then he will save dogs’ lives that otherwise won’t be saved. To me, that’s worth letting him play. The alternative is to shun him and not use him to make the world a better place. If he’s flipping burgers at McDonald’s, is he going to be going out into the community and speaking against dogfighting? If he did, would anyone be willing to listen? If he’s truly changed, let him play and let him help dogs now.

  130. Kenny F August 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Pete, there in nothing wrong with using a clever Star Trek reference such as that one.

  131. JJ August 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Mike and the Mad Dog need eachother badly.

    It’s kind of like the Gin and Tonic. Separately by themselves, they leave a lot to be desired. Together, they form a great beverage.

  132. jennifer August 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Erica

    The nonsense that was going on here last night was far worse.

  133. O*Line August 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    What Stallworth did was worse than Vick.

    He drove drunk and killed someone.

  134. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Wait till we visit the Sardine Can
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
    Actually Erica considering the topic up for discussion I think we’re all being quite civil.

    ***

    Actually, you are right. But as GB7 once pointed out I live in a world that is a happy place filled with rainbows and butterflies

  135. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Jenn-

    Another good point. But I was so busy furiously sorting through Yankee line up submissions I failed to read most of it. Probably a good thing

  136. Nome August 14th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Cats and dogs are placed on a pedestal. Whereas deer and other forest animals are thought of as invalid in society.

  137. jennifer August 14th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Erica I would say yeah.

  138. BD 2.0 August 14th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    O line,

    what about Leonard little?

    he drove drunk and killed someone and served 90 days in jail.

    then 6 years later he drove drunk again.

    he’s playing in the NFL.

    I dont hear much outrage about him….

  139. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Uncle E-

    Brady Bunch was a little before my time. I’d watch a rerun every once in a while, but i don’t remember a Grand Canyon trip

  140. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 14th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    I’m out now. See ya.

    It’s been interesting, at least.

    Erica, have fun in your world.

  141. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    “Why is hunting for sport ok and considered no big deal in our society”

    because hunting doesn’t normally involve inflicting prolong physical suffering/torment to animals.

    personally, i don’t hunt. For me stalking & killing an animal is not fun. However, i don’t see these two activities as being one of the same.

  142. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Dennis made the correct call on the guy that called Fenway homer happy. Fenway used to be homer happy, but, that ended when they put that monstrosity on top of the park behind home plate. Before that, the wtnd used to suck the ball out of the park. The added structure completely changed the wind currents and now, it has the opposite affect on the baseballs. When the old structure comes down, I believe that their will be a difference. Also, closing off the open vents behind the seats in the outfield will have quite an effect.

  143. ... August 14th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Hunting is one of those things that keep going on cause they’ve been going on for millenia. Granted, a large part of said history is more like hunting for food/clothing/resource gathering.

  144. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    prolonged

  145. Vrsce August 14th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    BD 2o

    Hunting is not going away. City dwellers (probably you), will never understand, but you should not condemn it just because you do not get it. Otherwise your latte ways may be next.

  146. Wave Your Hat August 14th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    As to the number of home runs hit-

    This year, 1.14 HR/G are being hit in the majors. That’s very similar to 2006 (1.12), 2004 (1.15), 2003 (1.10), 2001 (1.11), 2000 (1.19), 1999 (1.16), 1998 (1.10), 1996 (1.21), 1994 (1.11), and 1987 (1.16).

    It’s a little higher, but not that much higher, than 2008 (1.00) and 2007 (.99), but those HR/G numbers are lower than any year since 1993 (.91).

    All #’s are from baseball reference.

    I don’t think you can draw any conclusions about the ball based on this year’s HR rate.

  147. Aura August 14th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Where were all you guys castigating Michael Vick when a pro football player gets caught beating his wife at least once a week? I guess this confirms that most guys love their dogs more than their wives…

  148. mike August 14th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    How about fast food companies force-feeding cows and chickens to make them more appetizing for humans? where is the outrage there?

  149. Wave Your Hat August 14th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    “Hunting is not going away. City dwellers (probably you), will never understand, but you should not condemn it just because you do not get it. Otherwise your latte ways may be next.”

    I’m off to kill me a latte…

  150. saucY August 14th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    What Stallworth did was worse than Vick.

    He drove drunk and killed someone.

    —–

    and i’m sure he woke up one day and said “hey, i’m gonna get loaded and run over a pedestrain afterwards”.

  151. pat August 14th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    “Remember when the Brady’s went to the Grand Canyon??”

    Thank goodness for the Indian Boy. The sheltered Cindy and Bobby had zero Canyon smarts.

  152. m August 14th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Didn’t Francessa dis’ Pete today? Everyone knows Pete. :)

    Pete sounds angry about NYS. We need to stop talking about it.

    If you’re scratching your hand and wondering why the Eagles took a chance on Vick (sight unseen I might add), you should listen to Tony Dungy’s interview with Dan Patrick (up on his site). I’ve grudgingly respected Coach Dungy as part of a great rivalry, but this interview really opened my eyes to the kind of person he really is.

    I echo Pete’s sentiments on our armed forces stationed abroad. Stay safe!

  153. Terrace August 14th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Did you read the stories about what Michael Boley did to his wife? He threw her against the wall and other disturbibg things like that.

    Yet nobody mentions him. And all Vick does is use a dog for a little entertainment and people want him dead.

    Double standard.

  154. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    “Where were all you guys castigating Michael Vick when a pro football player gets caught beating his wife at least once a week? I guess this confirms that most guys love their dogs more than their wives”

    um, yeah that’s it.

  155. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    Aura
    August 14th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
    Where were all you guys castigating Michael Vick when a pro football player gets caught beating his wife at least once a week? I guess this confirms that most guys love their dogs more than their wives…

    ————————————————————

    That’s about as stupid as saying most women syphen off money from joint checking/savings accounts for the time they are ready to dump their husbands and strike out on their own “without help from the ex”.

  156. Laura - I like the new and improved Alex! He's a keeper. August 14th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    jennifer,

    Telling Vick to go work at McDonald’s is ridiculous. He’s not a fast food worker; he’s a football player. That is who he is; that is what he does. If Tiger Woods were to have the same thing happen to him, would you tell him to give up golf and go work at Best Buy? Vick should be allowed to pursue the career he wants to pursue. He did his time. He paid for his crime. Let the man go back to work.

  157. Dutch Hugo August 14th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Terrace — “all Vick does is use a dog for a little entertainment” ???

    Neanderthals like you are the target for Vick to talk to and try to make some sense to.

    Maybe you should be put into a room with a couple of pit bulls that have been beaten and tortured and trained to be vicious, and then you can be used “for a little entertainment”….

    Good God

  158. ... August 14th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    “How about fast food companies force-feeding cows and chickens to make them more appetizing for humans? where is the outrage there?”

    Because they’re seen as ‘food’ and not as ‘pets’ ;)
    But more seriously, animal domestication and its ramifications on what’s viewed as edible and not is something I don’t get. What makes a certain few genuses/families viewed differently from others in different societies?

  159. Mark August 14th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    m,

    That was Russo (Francessa’s old partner) who dissed Pete (not “dissed” but someone called up and mentioned something that Pete had on his blog and Russo said “who? journal news? what is that?” or something like that). This was last year BTW.

    But Pete got the last laugh. His blog by far the most popular in sports, whereas Russo has faded into the oblivion and nobody cares about him.

  160. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    “Yet nobody mentions him. And all Vick does is use a dog for a little entertainment and people want him dead”

    use a dog for a little entertainment? you’re a mentally ill individual.

  161. hardwired August 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    Next up for the Eagles: Squeaky Fromme.

  162. Kevin August 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    As good as mike is in the afternoon. I still wish chris came back, it’s just not the same… (added by Mobile using Mippin)

  163. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    “If a teacher is a pervert and gets caught, is he allowed to go back to teaching after jail because thats what he does for a living?”

    That logic is also false. Vick’s crime had nothing to do with playing football and returning to the NFL doesn’t significantly increase the risk that he’ll fall back into the dogfighting culture (if you want to argue that the NFL is a thug league in general, well, that still isn’t the same logic).

    The perverted teacher, in your example, is probably tempted by proximity to children. Vick is not temped by proximity to pigskin.

  164. 4time August 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    As someone else earlier said, the wife can defend herself if she is getting abused. She can call the police and get him arrested, divorce him, or if she wanted to, attack him physically back.

    The dog has no defense. He just has to sit back and take the torture.

  165. henner August 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    What Stallworth did was worse than Vick.

    He drove drunk and killed someone.

    *****************

    Completely, emphatically agree

  166. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Terrace-

    You made it sound like a game of fetch gone wrong

  167. Dutch Hugo August 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    A Squeaky reference! love it.

  168. saucY August 14th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    in the end, Vick will probably stink anyway. wasn’t his game starting to fall off before the incident?

    lol @ the egulls. go giants!

  169. vtred August 14th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    The funny part is that the only person who continually mentions Michael Boley is Joel Sherman… whenever he decides to take a shot at the NFL, he uses that line about how NFL players are Teflon and baseball players are held to a different standard.

    Nobody else, however, mentions Boley.

  170. Vrsce August 14th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    “The dog has no defense. He just has to sit back and take the torture”

    Just like the husband.

  171. Tank August 14th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Michael Boley and the other assortment of no-names who beat their wives are nondescript players. Nobody talks about them because they are irrelvent.

    Vick, when he was in the NFL, was one of the league’s biggest stars. Right there with Brady/Manning as far as being marketed. Very overrated by the media. Of course when he does something it will get more play than the Boley’s of the world.

  172. muffin stump August 14th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    oh, good, m. vick and meat…now the discussion is picking up.

  173. m August 14th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    mark,

    my attempts to foil the filter failed. the francessa thing happened this morning, but maybe because the caller didn’t identify Pete by his full name.

  174. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    “How about fast food companies force-feeding cows and chickens to make them more appetizing for humans? where is the outrage there”

    Mike:

    I believe the better question is, where is the media?? If the media talked about these things (aside from the occasional 60 minutes special), people would know of these practices. And i do believe people would care, and take action. However, Tyson Foods is too big to take down via a grassroots campaign. IMO

  175. DT - OPPC member (blood type - Positive) August 14th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    “The perverted teacher, in your example, is probably tempted by proximity to children. Vick is not temped by proximity to pigskin.”

    If Vick was guilty of pig-fighting, the pigskin might be a problem.

    I do see an issue if he plays against Cleveland with their dog pound.

  176. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    muffin stump
    August 14th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
    oh, good, m. vick and meat…now the discussion is picking up.

    ****

    Muffin stump-

    The Mets thread is starting to look better and better :oops:

  177. timo August 14th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    “Yada Yada Yada Molina
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
    maybe they should just move home plate like a foot from the back stop. problem solved.”

    With the Wednesday afternoon “wild pitch” festival fresh in mind, it could be the solution to two problems.

  178. Scott August 14th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    The sports media is useless in these situations… this is the same media that kills Rodriguez for using steroids, yet say nothing about the fact that Ben Zobrist is hitting HRs at twice his normal pace.

  179. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    “The dog has no defense. He just has to sit back and take the torture”

    “Just like the husband”

    any male who has been in a court room, can attest to this fact.

  180. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    You mean you’re not supposed to take the batteries out of your flashlight and replace them with hot dogs?

  181. m August 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    Can’t we just pick up yesterday’s thread again?

    You guys forgot the obvious animated hottie.

    Jesse of Team Rocket.

    And for GB7- Betty Boop. :)

  182. Phil August 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    really coming down to the wire on getting the draft picks signed.

  183. muffin stump August 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    The Mets thread is starting to look better and better :oops:
    *******

    agreed, erica. although, i guess we’re both here reading. too hot to play golf this afternoon. lol.

  184. SD Yanks August 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    What Michael Jackson allegedly did and what Vick did are nothing compared to what Stallworth did, driving drunk and taking someones life

    Yet which of these 3 is getting off easy in the media? Stallworth.

  185. Rockks August 14th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    Ok, this topic has run its course.

    Let’s talk about Chad Gaudin’s GF, Kate Hudson, and the merits of plastic surgery.

  186. Jerkface August 14th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    I dunno, man, Stallworth killed an illegal alien jay walking at night.

    Michael Jackson touched a bunch of kids and paid to keep it on the down lo.

    Why won’t anyone think of the children?

  187. ... August 14th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    Drunk driving and vehicular manslaughter lacks shock value.

  188. pat August 14th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    The hot dogs aren’t a problem. The baked beans are a different story.

  189. hardwired August 14th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    fast food and appetizing…the two most incongruous thoughts posted yet today.

  190. The Fair Pole August 14th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    i agree with Pete regarding Vick. the man did his time in prison. what else can we ask of him? some people might be disgusted with his crime, but he’s entitled to make a living. just happens to be football. if and when he commits another crime, i hope his punishment is more severe than 2 yrs in prison.

  191. m August 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    my 14 year old still thinks michael jackson is innocent. here defense? the kid came out and said his father made him say those things. so, I’m like, “you think that’s the only kid?”. crickets…

  192. Al August 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    What incentive would there be for Zobrist to take steroids?

  193. Espresso August 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    I know the adirondacks are nice, I’m a transplant from Vermont to the Seattle area. My point was that the terrain here is immensely different than east coast. It’s worth seeing it, when the view is clear (not today) the mountains, for some one used to the Green Mountains, are shockingly huge.

    For what it’s worth, my wife and are trying to work out a move to the Hudson Valley area, to be closer to family, but not too close if you know what I mean.

  194. m August 14th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    …,

    You made a really good point yesterday. I forget what it was, but I didn’t say anything because I read it later in the day and I didn’t know how to address you.

    But anyway, good point!

  195. Hokiehill August 14th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    “the bigger question on Stallworth (who drove drunk and killed a pedestrian) isn’t his playing status, but how in God’s name does he only end up doing two weeks in jail? Someone explain that one to me…”

    Right or wrong, the law in Florida basically puts the burden on the prosecution in that situation to prove that the accident occured BECAUSE Stallworth was drunk and would not have occured if he was sober. They themselves said that would be difficult to do as based on the information, the person was crossing the street (j-walking) in a place where people do not typically cross the street on foot and along with that, Stallworth was driving, at or close to, the posted speed limit. On top of that, the family of the victim did not wish to press any kind of charges. Those things together = the short prison sentence.

  196. Bronx Jeers August 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    The guy at http://www.hittrackeronline.com/ had the fence being short 3 months ago.

    I think he measured it using a satellite image.

    It’s like 4-9 feet shorter in right compared to the old stadium. And the wall itself is shorter by a about 2-3 feet.

  197. S.A.--Relax, Relate, Release August 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    Interesting thread. So, can we talk about how hot Nick Markakis is now?

  198. Taxx August 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    GTLU for September 15th against the Blue Jays:

    Gardner CF
    Swisher RF
    Teixeira 1B
    Matsui DH
    Cano 2B
    Hinske LF
    Hairston 3B
    Pena SS
    Cervelli C

  199. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    “really coming down to the wire on getting the draft picks signed.”

    Slade is close to signing.

  200. E-gawa August 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Serving your time doesn’t mean you are allowed to continue your life as if nothing ever happened. Criminals can’t be cops. Pedophiles can’t be teachers. Twisted deranged borderline psychopathic mutilators of small animals with no regard for life shouldn’t be allowed to play football.

    I will personally avoid anyone who sponsors the NFL. I have never done that with anything before but I will start with this.

  201. ... August 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    m,

    I think my point yesterday was agreeing with Arroyo’s point that fans don’t care about athletes as people. Fans care about the results and the sport, and thusly, whatever moral outrage there is at drugs and whatnot has to do with their assumed impact on the game. But not a single bit of it is about the users’ health. As Arroyo said, Manny could drop dead at 50 and none of us would really care.

  202. dl August 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Why does it matter if he’s an illegal alien?

  203. Manson August 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Do people forget that the person who Stallworth killed was jaywalking? He could have been killed even if Stallworth was sober.

  204. Zach August 14th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    “That logic is also false. Vick’s crime had nothing to do with playing football and returning to the NFL doesn’t significantly increase the risk that he’ll fall back into the dogfighting culture (if you want to argue that the NFL is a thug league in general, well, that still isn’t the same logic).”

    It doesnt? How many repeat offenders does the NFL have, how many repeat offenders does the jail system have? How many players made comments saying what Vick did was no big deal and stop hating on him?
    I didnt say he shouldnt be allowed to play football, but dont tell me football is his right to play.

  205. Blackaccord August 14th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    I feel that the show has lost some fire since Mad dog left.. Not that Russo was great, but he didn’t hide his likes/dislikes.. When the yanks were good, he openly showed his hate and when they were bad, he was happy.. Unlike Mike, who calls himself a yankee fan but waits for the slightest opportunity for the yanks to fail so he can rant about it and get more callers… Atleast I don’t miss Chris talking about the Giants anymore…

  206. GET YER DAMN HANDS OFF OF HER. August 14th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    A pedestrian in the crosswalk always has the right of way.

  207. pat August 14th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    “So, can we talk about how hot Nick Markakis is now?”

    As soon as we confirm who Minka and Kate were sitting with at Safeco last night and make sure no ones feelings were hurt.

  208. dl August 14th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    There’s no proof that the person wouldn’t have died if Stallworth were sober. If you’re sober, you can have a good enough reaction time to slam on the breaks or swerve out of the way.

  209. Aura August 14th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    E-gawa wrote:

    I will personally avoid anyone who sponsors the NFL. I have never done that with anything before but I will start with this.

    =========

    I’ve been boycotting MLB since ’94, I said that was it, if they strike I’m never going to another major league game. A lot of people said the same at the time, as far as I can tell I’m the only one who has held the line.

  210. Dutch Hugo August 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Thanks Hokiehill — I know Stallworth gave the victim’s family a bunch of money, and I’m sure that played a part in their reluctance to press charges.

  211. Jake August 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Assuming that Godell suspends Vick for 6 games, Vick’s home debut would be November 1st vs. the Giants… 4:15 in Philly.

    Buck and McCarver will make that broadcast so Vick-centric.

  212. m August 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    …,

    That might have been it. You had a pretty long post, right? Arroyo’s right in that we don’t care about their health, but that doesn’t excuse their behavior. But he had a sobering thought about Steinbrenner being the only owner willing to lose money to win a championship.

    Anyway, if the game goes totally clean, they may have to move the fences in at all the parks. :)

  213. Jerkface August 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    Why does it matter if he’s an illegal alien?

    They don’t count in the census so I have trouble thinking of them as existing.

  214. Blackaccord August 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    wow.. the lohud mets blog has zero comments.. and the guy keeps blogging still.. he infact had a poll last week :)

  215. Jake August 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Wait.. Minka and Kate were sitting in Safeco together?

  216. Hokiehill August 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    “A pedestrian in the crosswalk always has the right of way.”

    There was no crosswalk…

  217. Stop deserving being called names then... August 14th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    I guess I’m more the “the more I see of people, the more I like dogs” kind of person. Michael Vick only reinforced that.

    As a dog lover with three beautiful dogs myself, Vick might have done his time according to what he was sentenced, but I never thought it was enough time in the first place, IMHO. So that’s where I’m at with that.

  218. Evan D. August 14th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Vick deserves a 2nd chance. He served his time, he lost over $100 million and he has admitted and recognized the mistakes (albeit MAJOR) that he has made.

    You don’t have to root for him and you don’t have to agree with Goodell or the Eagles for giving him that 2nd chance but if it were someone you loved you would want that person to be given the opportunity to become a better person and perhaps do some good in the community.

    As a die-hard 49ers fan with no QB, I wouldn’t have minded my team signing him.

    Hopefully he can not only stay out of trouble but take advice from some good people and do good for him, those around him, and the communities he inhabits.

  219. Vrsce August 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Aura

    Who will carry on your MLB boycott after you are gone?

  220. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    “I know the adirondacks are nice, I’m a transplant from Vermont to the Seattle area. My point was that the terrain here is immensely different than east coast. It’s worth seeing it, when the view is clear (not today) the mountains, for some one used to the Green Mountains, are shockingly huge.
    For what it’s worth, my wife and are trying to work out a move to the Hudson Valley area, to be closer to family, but not too close if you know what I mean”

    expresso:

    feel you.

    returned last week from vacation. Maine/NH/Vermont

    although the trip was beautiful (love New England) i didn’t see anything more beautiful then where i live. Normally, the grass is always greener next door. Not in this case – literally. Overall, i have to take the area from ColdSpring NY to Poughkeepsie/Hyde Park NY.

    interestingly, this vacation was my first trip to Vermont in 10 years. Thankfully, i didn’t notice any/much difference from a commerical standpoint. However, despite VT receiving considerable rain this summmer, it did not look as lush/green as i remember it. My father said the same. Pollution??

  221. m August 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Jake,

    Trust me, if you listen to Tony Dungy, 6 games is improbable.

    Dungy said he could play in the last 2 pre-season games. He did say by week 2 he could be ready to go.

    Apparently, Vick could play earlier based on good behavior. It’s in Goodell’s best interest for Vick to stay out of trouble and succeed. His rehab/transformation would be a major gold star on Goodell’s resume, especially after the Pacman debacles.

  222. tom tresh 15 August 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    I wish Vick had signed with the Panthers

  223. Travis G. August 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Pete,

    I dont believe that you dont know where Chris Russo is. he’s on Sirius.

    and i hope you’re joking about Francesa being ‘a good listen.’ it’s quite the opposite.

  224. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    “Criminals can’t be cops.”

    They can’t? They can on cool TV shows where ex-criminals are recruited to join elite crime-fighting units. You think writers just make that up????

    Zach, I am not telling you that it’s Michael Vick’s right to play in the NFL, just that your logic was poor when you called his situation analagous to that of a teacher who had been convicted of sexual activity with a student.

  225. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing August 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Vick deserves a 2nd chance. He served his time, he lost over $100 million and he has admitted and recognized the mistakes (albeit MAJOR) that he has made.

    *************************************************

    I contend that all of those dogs killed by him never got a second chance. Murder is ultimate statistic for the victim NOT getting a second chance for it not to happen to them.

    I don’t think the *time* he was served was long enough, not by a long shot. It takes a pretty despicable kind of person to kill a dog by drowning, electrocution and hanging.

  226. Hokiehill August 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    “They can’t? They can on cool TV shows where ex-criminals are recruited to join elite crime-fighting units. You think writers just make that up????”

    Awesome post!

  227. pat August 14th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    “Wait.. Minka and Kate were sitting in Safeco together?”

    No. According to Allie who told Jess who told Christina who told my daughter who told me, Minka was there. We don’t know who she was sitting with.

  228. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    cute read:

    http://mrssingy.mlblogs.com/ar.....ected.html

  229. XFactor August 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    They should have banned Vick from the NFL.

    Let him go find work elsewhere. Let him become an accountant or something. He should NOT be allowed to make millions after coming out of prison.

  230. sab August 14th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Is dog fighting a felony? If I were convicted of a felony I would be very unemployed

    ===========================================================
    not if you were in the top 15 in the country (world) at your job… skill trumps everything else..especially if the skill you posses translates to millions of dollars in revenue for the compnay employing you…now if you are average or truly suck at what you do then yes you’d be unemplyed…thank god cody ransom wasn’t convicted of anything felonious…

    on a similar note…what did barry bonds do that was so wrong (other than allegedly take a banned substance that 75% of others did as well) that basically caused him to become unemployed when he still was a top 15 performer at his job….THATS more of a travesty than allowing Vick to earn a living…

  231. saucY August 14th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Angel, agree with your 4:43 post 100%!

  232. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Red Sox reload at SS (again)

    August 14, 2009 2:19 PM

    Someday, the Red Sox will once again have a good shortstop. Not this time, though. Breaking news from Tony Massarotti:

    The Red Sox have completed a trade with the Cincinnati Reds, bringing shortstop Alex Gonzalez back to Boston.
    –snip–

    Gonzalez, as Red Sox fans will recall, is an excellent defensive player who should shore up the team’s defense on the left side of the infield. His contract calls for a $6 million club option next season, meaning the Sox will have the right to retain to his services.

    As it happens, Red Sox fans might well recall Gonzalez as an excellent defensive player; statistically speaking, his very best season with the glove did come during his one year (2006) with the Red Sox. Generally, though, Gonzalez has been a good shortstop rather than a great one.
    There’s also the little matter of his .293 career on-base percentage. There was a reason why the Red Sox dumped him after 2006 and embarked on their ill-fated relationship with Julio Lugo. But Lugo’s gone, replaced by Nick Green, and Green has all of Gonzalez’s limitations with the bat and only some of his skills with the glove.

    So, yes: Gonzalez makes the Red Sox better, if only marginally so. We’ll find out later how much the Red Sox had to give up to gain an extra quarter- or half-win.

  233. Patrick August 14th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    As an Eagles fan I’m psyched Vick signed with Philly. Screw the haters :)

    Can you imagine McNabb, Vick, Westbrook, Jackson, McCoy, Maclin…. the speed and athleticism zomg

  234. m August 14th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Rishi,

    If you can, could you summarize Olney’s article on +/- HBP rates? There’s a picture of an Indian doing the limbo in front of Georgie. The accompanying stats show Joba leading the league, but Wakefield’s not far behind. Oh, that knuckleball must sting!

  235. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    m
    August 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
    Can’t we just pick up yesterday’s thread again?

    You guys forgot the obvious animated hottie.

    Jesse of Team Rocket.

    And for GB7- Betty Boop.

    ————————————————————

    No way. I could never go out with some woman that has a worse hair style than Olive Oyl.

  236. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    It still bothers me that the Eagles got DeSean Jackson. :mad:

  237. Phil August 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    “Slade is close to signing.”

    Slade and JR are slam dunks. It’s the rest of them that are still being worked on/hoped for.

  238. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    I’ll do my best, m…still at work here, but the brain is fading fast :)

  239. NYY626 August 14th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    7 minutes until the weekend! ( technically I’m supposed to work until 5:30, but its friday and i’m sneaking out early :grin:)

  240. m August 14th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Thanks, Rishi.

    In the interest of saving time, you could just c&p. :)

  241. sab August 14th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Serving your time doesn’t mean you are allowed to continue your life as if nothing ever happened. Criminals can’t be cops. Pedophiles can’t be teachers. Twisted deranged borderline psychopathic mutilators of small animals with no regard for life shouldn’t be allowed to play football.

    I will personally avoid anyone who sponsors the NFL. I have never done that with anything before but I will start with this.

    =========================================================

    i don’t get your flow of reasoning? criminal/cop i get, you can’t be a cop because you’ve proven you don’t have the ability to distinguish between what is right and wrong when it comes to criminal matters…..teacher/pedophile i get, how can you be allowed around kids when you’ve proven you don’t use correct judgement around them…..animal killer/football player..i don’t get….now if it were animal killer/veterinarian THEN yes….is it OK if you are a wife beater to play football? or a tax evader? the guy made a mistake – but it didn’t have anything to do with his profession – so why would you ban him from it….

    if madoff were to live for another 150 years and be released from jail and someone gave him a job as an investment manager THEN thast would be something to complain about…

  242. Erica - always OPPC August 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Okay, I am leaving work now. Happy Friday everyone!

  243. m August 14th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    lol. What’s Youkilis & Ozzie crying about?

    Chase Utley’s been hit the most (17x). Youkilis (10), Konerko (8), Tex (8).

  244. Ben g August 14th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    Vick should pursue a career where ever he wants.

    But be real people, If it was anyone of us that did the same exact thing as him we wouldn’t get two years like he did.

    We would get 3-5 years and then parole.

    He got off pretty light, even though he did serve two years.

  245. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    From Buster (the insider part):

    Sal D’Agostino of the Elias Sports Bureau sent along this list of how teams have fared in hitting batters and getting hit; a plus-minus, if you will. And I’m guessing after reading this there might have been some tension between the pitchers and the hitters in the clubhouse of the Cleveland Indians, who are a stunning minus-35 in this stat this year. Here are the total hit-by-pitch stats from the season so far:

    [not posting the entire list]

    the Yankees are at a +14…hit 14 more than have been hit (52 v. 38)

    Boston: dead even…51 v. 51

    Cleveland is at a -35

    and the most “givers” are LAA with a +21

    Also – historically, number of batters hit per game is much more than it was 40 or so years ago…peaked a few years ago at like .78 per game…

    Year hit per game total hit
    1999 .65 1,579
    2000 .65 1,573
    2001 .78 1,890
    2002 .72 1,746
    2003 .76 1,849
    2004 .76 1,850
    2005 .74 1,797
    2006 .75 1,817
    2007 .72 1,755
    2008 .69 1,672
    2009 .66 1,136

    Let me know if there is anything else you need…

  246. Mulls August 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    So based on the logic that a lot of posters here are using every criminal should be able to just resume their life as if nothing happened once they have served their time. They can just go right back to the job they had prior to their jail time. Seems like some pretty sound logic.

  247. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    btw – ca’nt believe that after all the CHC offense in the first 4 innings, it ended at 17-2

  248. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing August 14th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Vick was invovled with dogfighting.
    Two players on MY Giants beat theri wives as Mazz said.
    Don’t you think that doind something to humans is far worse than doing something to animals?
    Yet who’s being victimized here?

    ******************************************************

    None of them should be able to play.

    I own a rescue dog and I have the polar opposite reaction to this that you do.

  249. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 14th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    rab: you didn’t get the reasoning because it didn’t make any sense; it seemed to be that a convicted criminal shouldn’t be allowed to return to his previous profession without regard to whether or not the profession was in any way related to the crime.

    You were a baker and you were convicted of illegal gambling? No more baking for you!

  250. m August 14th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Rishi,

    Thanks. The hook they used was that the better teams had a higher positive differential. Just wanted to know if there was any logic behind it. If there was any ground-breaking analysis.

    Thanks, though. Intersting. I wouldn’t think the Angels would be that high. Probably has to do with so many pitchers coming back from rehab. :P

  251. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    PeteAbe:
    In a cab in Seattle. Driver says, “Safeco Field? There’s a football game?”
    half a minute ago from TwitterFon

  252. Robbykid August 14th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    I can not stand how much ESPN is in “bed” with the Roid Sux…If you go to the MLB front page on ESPN, its all about the acquition of Victor Martinez……..Even though he only had one big hit in 4 games against the Yanks…I AM BOYCOTTING ESPN!!!!!!

  253. E-gawa August 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    “i don’t get your flow of reasoning? criminal/cop i get, you can’t be a cop because you’ve proven you don’t have the ability to distinguish between what is right and wrong when it comes to criminal matters…..teacher/pedophile i get, how can you be allowed around kids when you’ve proven you don’t use correct judgement around them…..animal killer/football player..i don’t get….now if it were animal killer/veterinarian THEN yes….is it OK if you are a wife beater to play football? or a tax evader? the guy made a mistake – but it didn’t have anything to do with his profession – so why would you ban him from it….”

    So you’re comparing wife beating and tax evading to hanging, electrocuting, body slamming and shooting dogs on top of beating the hell out of dogs to toughen them up to kill each other in sport?

    Whether you agree with it or not, alot of kids out there look up to these guys as role models. Brushing stuff like this off as a simple “mistake” like “oops I ran a red light and got a ticket” kind of mistake is ridiculous.

  254. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    m – yeah, nothing terribly earth-shattering, though the year differentials were interesting…it was like .3 batters hit per game in 1980…so the number is for sure trending up. But no reasons why/analysis

  255. such and such August 14th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Aura boycotts baseball by posting on a Yankees blog.

    That’ll learn ‘em!

  256. Wave Your Hat August 14th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    I see sab’s and Nick’s point of view, but for those who don’t think Vick should be able to go back to the NFL;

    Do you think Vick should not be allowed a job in the NFL only, but he could have another job? Could he get a job in baseball, for example, but just not in football?

    Or should he be banned from all professional sports, but, as one poster suggested, he could be an accountant? Or could he be an accountant, but just not a well-paid accountant? Or is he not allowed to have a well-paying job of any sort?

    Or must he take a job that he doesn’t take any satisfaction in, but it can pay well? Or must it be both a poor paying job and a job he doesn’t like?

    Or is it that he can’t have a job that the public respects? Or could he take a job that the public respects, like a teacher, but that doesn’t pay well? Or must it be a low paying menial job?

    Help me out here…

  257. betsy August 14th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    I said before that I would lean toward letting Vick play again, but what he did still sickens me and I would never, ever root for him. The fact that he had it in him to do what he did speaks volumes about him as a human being. Anyone that doesn’t think he should be allowed to play, well I can understand that. I don’t run the NFL, so it’s not my fault that Paul Tagliabue spit the bit and allowed Leonard Little back in the league. That’s an utter disgrace and it should outrage anyone with any sense of human decency. The Giant player who beat his wife? Same thing……

    Saying we kill cows, etc…. is a good defense of murdering dogs? Sorry, that’s weak.

    BD, I hate the idea of hunting – I think killing animals for sport is cruel.

  258. Ed H. August 14th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Here’s an interesting Yankees snippet from MLBTR:

    “On this date two years ago, the Yankees and Padres failed to reach an agreement on a trade for Kei Igawa after San Diego claimed the pitcher on waivers. The Yankees also chose not to let Igawa go to the Padres for just the waiver claim. Since then Igawa has made two starts for the Yankees and has spent the entire ’09 season in Triple-A.”

    Regrets, Mr. Cashman???

  259. Jerkface August 14th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    m – yeah, nothing terribly earth-shattering, though the year differentials were interesting…it was like .3 batters hit per game in 1980…so the number is for sure trending up. But no reasons why/analysis

    my take:

    - Pitchers got better, pitch inside faster / more often less reaction time given to the batters
    - Batters stronger, willing to dig in and try to turn around inside fastballs. Hank Aaron was so good because he was one of the few batters in his era that had learned how to turn around that inside fastballs
    - Technology created elbow padding and what not that took away a batters fear

  260. Mulls August 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Active cruelty implies malicious intent, as when a person has deliberately and intentionally caused harm to an animal, and is sometimes referred to as NAI (Non-Accidental Injury). Acts of intentional animal cruelty may be indicators of serious psychological problems. There is an intrinsic link between battered pets and battered women and children.

  261. VCast August 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    The guy made a mistake.

    He has Tony Dungy, the most respected figure in the NFL, by his side as his mentor.

    Why is it so hard to believe that he has changed?

  262. Aww August 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    In Seattle for the four games…one of my new favorite parks – just beautiful and a great place to watch a game. Ichiroll’s weren’t so bad, either.

    Saw Melky buying out Macy’s and Derek is hanging with Minka.

    I love checking out the blog while watching the game – I sound much smarter because of it!

    Enjoy the series…go Andy.

  263. Aww August 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    In Seattle for the four games…one of my new favorite parks – just beautiful and a great place to watch a game. Ichiroll’s weren’t so bad, either.

    Saw Melky buying out Macy’s and Derek is hanging with Minka.

    I love checking out the blog while watching the game – I sound much smarter because of it!

    Enjoy the series…go Andy.

  264. m August 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    The only job that Vick could conceivably be banned from is that of a dog-fighting ringleader. Football is neither here nor there. If the commissioner deems he may return to football, then there’s not much anyone can say or do.

    The NFL needs to make a rule, ban from playing football for life if convicted of a felony or commits a crime that results in a loss of human life. But you can’t just pick and choose (that includes the commissioner) who gets banned and who doesn’t.

  265. Tank August 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    “On this date two years ago, the Yankees and Padres failed to reach an agreement on a trade for Kei Igawa after San Diego claimed the pitcher on waivers. The Yankees also chose not to let Igawa go to the Padres for just the waiver claim. Since then Igawa has made two starts for the Yankees and has spent the entire ‘09 season in Triple-A.”

    Not one of Cashman’s finest moments….

  266. Stuckey August 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    “So based on the logic that a lot of posters here are using every criminal should be able to just resume their life as if nothing happened once they have served their time. They can just go right back to the job they had prior to their jail time. Seems like some pretty sound logic.”

    What’s the criteria for what one can or can’t do? What is the limit for how much one is allowed to make? And who or by what means are these limitations defined.

    Bear in mind we live in a land of laws. These matters cannot be subjective and arbitrary.

    So what is the figure? What level does your paycheck need to reach when the law says you need to be fired or a freeze put on your earnings for all-time?

    $50K
    $100K
    $500K

    If you’re highly skilled, does it make sense that the fruits of your skills will now simply be enjoyed by your employer?

    Does that serve justice in the long run?

    If a person is given the freedom to earn a living after serving time for a felony, you CAN’T, in the United States that I know, put a cap on what he or she is allowed to earn.

    Sometimes even criminals who paid for their crimes need to be allowed freedom to protect the rights and freedoms of everyone else.

  267. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Did the Cubs really win 17-2 today??

  268. Michael August 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Chris is rich and has his own station on sirius/xm.

  269. stuart a August 14th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    why would cashman regret not waiving igawa to san diego? the yanks would have saved about $600k only, they still would be responsible for his contract except the league minimum…

    he is not on the 40 man roster, igawa is the invisible man…………..

  270. Zolio August 14th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Dungy played a HUGE part in Vick being reinstated and finding a team. You couldn’t have asked for a better guy to lobby for you. Very smart move by him to enlist his help.

  271. Wave Your Hat August 14th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    stuart a, I don’t think that’s the case. If you claim a player on waivers you take his contract, too.

  272. Walter August 14th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    As Jay Feeley said… look in the mirror. All of us have things on our record that we are not proud of. Should we be judged only on that one thing and erase all the good we bring?

    Vick contributes a lot to society and the NFL. One transgression (which he paid for by spending 2 yrs in jail) should not change that.

  273. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    “I don’t think the *time* he was served was long enough, not by a long shot. It takes a pretty despicable kind of person to execute a dog by drowning, electrocution and hanging”

    this is what bothered me. In his press conference today, Vick never once acknowledged the suffering/torment he imposed on the dogs. Instead it was a vague, “I made a mistake”

    Vick went on to say, he knew what he did was wrong, when he realized so many people cared about dogs. Well, what about you? Do you actually care about dogs now? Or do you just care about public opinion?

    while i believe Vick to be an articulate speaker, he did not impress me at all today. However, i was impressed with the Eagles Owner. At least he talked a good game.

  274. Vrsce August 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Betsy

    If some animals are good at hunting and others are suitable for hunting, then the Gods must clearly smile on hunting. ~ Aristotle

  275. m August 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Zolio,

    The question is why did Dungy agree? He gains nothing from it (except earns brownie points with the big guy). I listened to him on the radio today, and he was so excited and passionate talking about the whole process and the possibility of Vick playing football soon.

    He talked to a dozen coaches, but no owners. Andy Reid went based on Tony’s word only. They did not work Vick out.

    Tony Dungy is really putting his reputation and name on the line for this guy. I don’t think Vick’s faking it.

  276. trisha - OPPC lifetime member and proud co-adopter of the Washington Nats August 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    Maybe I don’t think that two years or whatever he got was nearly enough time for what he did. It may all have to do with one’s view of the sanctity of life, and what level of life is more meaningful (to one) than another. The old “dog is man’s best friend” comes from somewhere. I personally have difficulty with anyone who kills anything that lives and breathes and is bigger than a fly, unless it is being used as a food source. I hate the thought of hunting for sport. The level of depravity that one has to have in order to watch animals suffer and die for sport goes beyond what I personally consider to be acceptable in society. So I don’t think that being put away for two years fits the crime. Domestic animals are innocent and pretty much incapable of protecting themselves from things such as electrocution and hanging.

    I have often felt that someone who would harm an animal should be put in jail, no questions asked. (In fact, I had always wished that I could practice law in support of animals, children, and the elderly – to me the most vulnerable populations in society. But that conglomerate doesn’t exist as an entity in the practice of law.)
    I guess what bothers me the most is that he served, in my opinion, so little time for something to hideous. I’m happy that I don’t follow football because I know I would not be able to look at Michael Vick on the football field.

    Maybe if he had served a 10-year sentence and did a year’s worth of public service working in a vetinary clinic for free, where he had to help innocent animals, I might feel a little better about him coming back into society and making a ton of money. I guess I have a problem with the criminal justice system also then because yes he did his time – but in my opinion the time he did is hardly enough.

    So technically Michael Vick served his time. But for those who don’t think that two years in jail is enough for the heinous crimes he committed, it hardly matters that he served his time. I think there is a place in hell, or at least a long stay in purgatory, to make up for what the spinless criminal justice system fails to do on this earth.

    Done on the run, so I apologize if there are gaps in it. As always, JMO.

    Later.

  277. Ed H. August 14th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    That’s right. With waivers, when the player goes to the other team, so does the contract. That would be $8 million saved to date. Not a fortune for the Yanks, but significant.

  278. espresso August 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge)
    I was in back in Vermont at the end of July, it was hot as h@ll and rained pretty much the whole time. I guess it could depend on what part of the state you’re in as to how green it is. It was I know when I played golf my shoes were squishy. Meanwhile back here in the pacific northwest my yard looks like a wasteland. I would love for the roof to be open for this series, but I’m pretty stoked to see rain.

    All the New Yorkers complaining about ticket prices now should consider flying out to Seattle and watching some games here. It would be cheaper than sitting in field seats at NYS, including hotel and flight.:) Ok, not all of you, I still want to be able to get tickets.

  279. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ging-Yanks

  280. Mulls August 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Hunting allows insecure men to feel better about themselves.

  281. Scott August 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    I actually lost a little respect for Dungy.

    Why is a good man like him endorsing a felon?

  282. DT - OPPC member (blood type - Positive) August 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    At the next Lohud/Scranton minor league outing – could someone please go into downtown Scranton near city hall and take a picture of the famous Igawa statue for us?

  283. stuart a August 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    wave your hat I think you are wrong but if someone else can clarify that would be great…

  284. stuart a August 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    vick paid his time and now it is over…

    people go to jail to pay for there crime and that is it..

    let it rest….

  285. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    “As Jay Feeley said… look in the mirror. All of us have things on our record that we are not proud of. Should we be judged only on that one thing and erase all the good we bring?
    Vick contributes a lot to society and the NFL. One transgression (which he paid for by spending 2 yrs in jail) should not change that”

    this was my exact response to people attempting to judge Steve McNair for his act of infidelity.

    except Steve McNair didn’t conduct hundreds of vicious executions on innocent dogs.

  286. Wave Your Hat August 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    stuart-

    The White Sox just claimed Rios on waivers and they are paying his whole salary.

  287. Mulls August 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Also Vick didn’t make a mistake. A mistake is hitting reply all when you just meant to hit reply. What Vick did was premeditated and calculated, that’s not a mistake.

  288. Vrsce August 14th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    “Hunting allows insecure men to feel better about themselves.”

    explain female hunters.

  289. hey kelvin says August 14th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    For a moment I was going to support Vick because everyone deserves a second chance.

    Yet last week my neighbor tossed his dog from the roof (6th floor) off of the building I live in.

    This is ridiculous and yet he’s apologizing and saying he regrets doing so and wants time to be with his fam.

    I can now compare them both and say they need to do community work and truly with sweat and tears will I forgive them and accept them back into society.

    This is very inhumane and unacceptable.

  290. Stuckey August 14th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    “Well, what about you? Do you actually care about dogs now? Or do you just care about public opinion?”

    Is that relevant. He’s acknowledged he committed a crime and has stated he understands the cruelty involved.

    Does he also have to demonstrate he’s now a dog-lover too?

  291. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    In fact, Sabathia had one question for GM Brian Cashman before deciding he could be a Yankee:

    “What’s your clubhouse like?”

    Turns out, the escape hatch won’t be necessary. Sabathia says he’s staying and goes out of his way to praise Girardi these days.

    “I don’t know what it was like here last year, but to me, this is the best (clubhouse) chemistry I’ve ever seen,” Sabathia said. “People told me, ‘watch out in New York, it’s crazy playing there,’ but I love it. Joe has done a great job; this team is really close.”

    from the link I posted above

  292. jax gmen August 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    “Hunting allows insecure men to feel better about themselves.”

    lmao

  293. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    My understanding is: if a player is DFA’d, the team is still on the hook for his salary.

    If a player is claimed on waivers and his team does not pull him back or arrange for a trade, the player’s new team pays the salary. Example: Alex Rios. Toronto wouldn’t give Rios away for nothing AND keep paying him.

  294. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....t-it-right

    “It is perhaps just now dawning on the Red Sox exactly how much was lost when Teixeira opted for New York over Boston.”

  295. Gonzo August 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    It’s not the principal, it is the application.

    Deer hunting is entertainment and the deer have accepted that fact that they are prey for humans. They also are sometimes cooked and eaten. It may not be right, but it is more tolerable than dogs/cats.

    Dogs and Cats are household pets. They should not be treated like a wild animal should be.

  296. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    “I was in back in Vermont at the end of July, it was hot as h@ll and rained pretty much the whole time. I guess it could depend on what part of the state you’re in as to how green it is. It was I know when I played golf my shoes were squishy. Meanwhile back here in the pacific northwest my yard looks like a wasteland. I would love for the roof to be open for this series, but I’m pretty stoked to see rain.
    All the New Yorkers complaining about ticket prices now should consider flying out to Seattle and watching some games here. It would be cheaper than sitting in field seats at NYS, including hotel and flight.:) Ok, not all of you, I still want to be able to get tickets”

    expresso:

    hope the weather gets better for you in the NW. Yes, have heard the Safeco park is a gem. Inexpensive tickets and all. If you decide to move back to the Northeast, look at Wappingers Falls/Poughkeepsie NY. Unless you have to make a daily commute to NYC, i don’t believe a better area exists upstate.

  297. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    incidentally: I don’t necessarily mean inner-city Poukeepsie. The outskirts

  298. Jim the VT Yankeefan August 14th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Mulls August 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Hunting allows insecure men to feel better about themselves.

    =====================================================
    Idiot.

  299. E-gawa August 14th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    test

  300. Betsy August 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Rishi, I think all of the new guys feel the same way – the chemistry is fantastic, and it’s not just because they respect each other as players. I think there’s something special here (in addition to talent) because these guys honestly really like and care about each other……… I would kill to be a fly on the wall in the clubhouse, lol

  301. Jerkface August 14th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    True men hunt the deadliest game of all, other humans!

  302. KWIS WUSSO August 14th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    15 million bucks and 3 listeners…great deal for Sirius.
    MadDog knows nothing about sports and along with Lupica bounced off every locker in HS!
    Getting lucky doesn’t make you good, just lucky!
    Now if Vick had killed that dog, we could have a good discussion.

  303. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    “Is that relevant. He’s acknowledged he committed a crime and has stated he understands the cruelty involved.
    Does he also have to demonstrate he’s now a dog-lover too”

    if he is sincere about improving the welfare of dogs, and diminishing the activity of dog-fighting rings, then yes, i sure as helll believe it is relevant that he actually cares about dogs.

  304. Bronx Jeers August 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    “Deer hunting is entertainment and the deer have accepted that fact that they are prey for humans. ”

    Yeah you know I recently had a long conversation with a deer and he seemed fine with being hunted.

  305. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Betsy
    August 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
    Rishi, I think all of the new guys feel the same way – the chemistry is fantastic, and it’s not just because they respect each other as players. I think there’s something special here (in addition to talent) because these guys honestly really like and care about each other……… I would kill to be a fly on the wall in the clubhouse, lol

    ———————————–

    The other article i posted about how the Red Sox missed the boat in the off season is pretty good too…you can see how much fun they are having on the field – I can’t even guess at how much they must be having behind closed doors! And all the winning is great for all of us too :)

  306. m August 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Hasn’t mankind been hunting since the beginning of time? It’s sort of innate behavior, no?

  307. CompassRosy August 14th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    =======
    Aww August 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
    “In Seattle for the four games…one of my new favorite parks – just beautiful and a great place to watch a game.”
    =======

    Aww ~
    I have to agree (but then I’m a bit biased). I think it’s quite an endorsement, especially considering the bad weather last night – wasn’t the roof closed?

    I’ll be at the games tonight, tomorrow and Sunday. Hopefully, the weather will improve a bit at least by Sunday so you can get to see and experience Safeco Field in all it’s sunny glory :)

  308. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing August 14th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Deer hunting is entertainment and the deer have accepted that fact that they are prey for humans. They also are sometimes cooked and eaten. It may not be right, but it is more tolerable than dogs/cats.

    ******************************************************

    I don’t know that the deer have necessarily “accepted” it, its just how the food chain works. They don’t just stand there and let you take target practice at them, they do *run* when they’re shot at, after all. :D

    Well, unless they’re running while crossing an interstate, I guess – then they’re target practice. :(

  309. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    SI_JonHeyman: #royals told yanks they dont want to trade gil meche. am i missing something? is kc in the race?

  310. Mulls August 14th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Hunting allows insecure men to feel better about themselves.

    =====================================================
    Idiot.

    _________________________________________________________

    Does it make you feel more like a man when you kill a defenseless animal that’s grazing in the wild while you hide in a tree stand?

  311. ... August 14th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    “Dogs and Cats are household pets. They should not be treated like a wild animal should be.”

    This is an example of what I wondered about earlier, about animal domestication and how it shaped society perspective of particular animal families.
    Dogs, cats, and any other animals typically seen as ‘pets’; they’re all originally wild animals. I’d really like someone to explain this whole animal domestication thing to me.

  312. Mulls August 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Hasn’t mankind been hunting since the beginning of time? It’s sort of innate behavior, no?

    ____________________________________________________________

    We now have these amazing places called a grocery store.

  313. stuart a August 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    wave your hat you are correct i was not thinking.

    i assume san diego would only take igawa if the yanks picked up some of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

  314. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing August 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Mulls August 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
    Hunting allows insecure men to feel better about themselves.

    *************************************************

    I know men who are secure, and men who are insecure – hunting doesn’t seem to have anything to do with how secure/insecure they are. Way to paint everyone with a broad brush, though.

  315. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    “Yeah you know I recently had a long conversation with a deer and he seemed fine with being hunted”

    while i am not anti-hunting, the previous explanation was very weak

    :)

  316. Betsy August 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    LOL at the Royals, well……that’s why they are who they are. Meche isn’t going to do anything for them but they might get a couple of decent prospect (and no, not AJax) from the Yanks who might, down the road.

  317. E-gawa August 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Stupid censors won’t let me post anything.

  318. E-gawa August 14th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    “this is what bothered me. In his press conference today, Vick never once acknowledged the suffering/torment he imposed on the dogs. Instead it was a vague, “I made a mistake”

    Vick went on to say, he knew what he did was wrong, when he realized so many people cared about dogs. Well, what about you? Do you actually care about dogs now? Or do you just care about public opinion?”

    This is what I think bothers me the most about it all. I don’t believe he’s sorry. I believe he’s sorry he got caught.

    Josh Hamilton was banned from baseball. Fought his way back and cleaned up his act (for the most part). He’s now a positive force in baseball. He donates his time and money to speak to kids, charities, baseball, etc etc. He’s upfront about his past and even his missteps with drugs. He seems truly sorry.

    Vick doesn’t.

  319. Tom in N.J. August 14th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    My soon to be father-in law is a dairy farmer. He doesn’t hunt. He does, however, love hunting season because people actually pay him good money-a Thousand bucks (no pun intended) a person to hunt on his land. Last year he made 18 grand.

  320. DT - OPPC member (blood type - Positive) August 14th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Enough with the Vick fighting and debating. Can’t we all get along.

    Close your eyes. Relax. Take a deep breath. Think happy Yankees are in first place thoughts.

    If that doesn’t help – Click this link below and go back to a more peaceful and tranquil Lohud blog time…..You won’t regret it.

    http://tinyurl.com/qzeybt

  321. Gary August 14th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Meche still has 3 years left on his deal, doesn’t he?

    Thank god KC said no.

  322. AZ Four August 14th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Wait, the deer have “accepted” the fact that they are being hunted?

    How would one know this? lol

  323. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    “My soon to be father-in law is a dairy farmer. He doesn’t hunt. He does, however, love hunting season because people actually pay him good money-a Thousand bucks (no pun intended) a person to hunt on his land. Last year he made 18 grand”

    wow. That’s pretty good money. What state does your father-in-law live?

  324. E-gawa August 14th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Anyway since for whatever reason I can’t post my reply, I’ll try it this way..

    Josh Hamilton = Someone who was truly sorry for their “mistake”

    Michael Vick = Someone who is sorry that he was caught.

    If Vick treated the situtation like Hamilton, I’d have a different opinion.

  325. m August 14th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    mulls,

    Okay. So human behavior that’s been reinforced for tens of thousands of years is supposed to come to a grinding halt because of the advent of those wonderful, amazing things called grocery stores?

    I think I’ll just enroll in school, and get a doctorate in human behavior. I’ll get published in a snap because it’s oh so obvious. Thank you for the idea.

  326. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    DT – mean trick!! :)

  327. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    “SI_JonHeyman: #royals told yanks they dont want to trade gil meche. am i missing something? is kc in the race”

    if Meche indeed does have 3 years left on his contract, then the Kansas City GM should be fired on the spot. Suckers.

  328. Curtis August 14th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Technically, a deer could be a pet.

    You have to get it to not run away from you though.

  329. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing August 14th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    LOL m.

  330. Jim the VT Yankeefan August 14th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Mulls August 14th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Does it make you feel more like a man when you kill a defenseless animal that’s grazing in the wild while you hide in a tree stand?

    ===========================================

    First, deer are browsers not grazers. Second, it’s not about being a man it’s about doing things for yourself. There is no moral difference between hunting and buying a steak at grocery store. It’s the same as planting a garden. You could buy the same food at the grocery store but it is more enjoyable to do it yourself.

  331. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 14th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    “I’d really like someone to explain this whole animal domestication thing to me.”

    Wolves figured out that man would feed them if they snopped snarling and stared answering to ‘Fido’. So they evolved into a cuddlier species.

  332. Tom in N.J. August 14th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    vinny-b-

    He lives outside of Syracuse. Most of the people who pay to hunt up there are former locals who now live in NYC.

  333. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Mulls
    August 14th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
    Hunting allows insecure men to feel better about themselves.

    =====================================================
    Idiot.

    _________________________________________________________

    Does it make you feel more like a man when you kill a defenseless animal that’s grazing in the wild while you hide in a tree stand?

    ————————————————————

    Do you feel manly because you can whine about something on a sports board?

  334. Bronx Jeers August 14th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    “Yeah you know I recently had a long conversation with a deer and he seemed fine with being hunted”

    while i am not anti-hunting, the previous explanation was very weak

    —————————————————-

    So you don’t believe that I can talk to animals?

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/3775.....to-animals

  335. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    “Technically, a deer could be a pet.
    You have to get it to not run away from you though”

    i heard Jacob Ellsbury is part deer

  336. ... August 14th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Nick,

    xP
    I underestimate their cunning!

  337. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    “He lives outside of Syracuse. Most of the people who pay to hunt up there are former locals who now live in NYC”

    Tom: cool. I love that part of the state

  338. Stuckey August 14th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    “Okay. So human behavior that’s been reinforced for tens of thousands of years is supposed to come to a grinding halt because of the advent of those wonderful, amazing things called grocery stores?”

    Are you honestly suggesting modern hunting for sport is instinctual behavior?

  339. Rishi August 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    FINALLY

    game post up…can we keep the deer talk here?
    :arrow:

  340. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    E-gawa
    August 14th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
    Anyway since for whatever reason I can’t post my reply, I’ll try it this way..

    Josh Hamilton = Someone who was truly sorry for their “mistake”

    Michael Vick = Someone who is sorry that he was caught.

    If Vick treated the situtation like Hamilton, I’d have a different opinion.

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    Really? Just how sorry was Hamilton that he stole close to 5 million dollars from the Devil Rays? How sorry was he that he went out and got loaded with a bunch of young girls while his wife was at home with the kids? Hamilton is no better than Vick or anybody else that has done what he has done.

  341. Doreen August 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    I don’t have a problem with people who hunt and who are serious about it. Most of the people I’ve spoken to who fall into that category actually care about and respect the animals they hunt. I don’t know enough about the “sport” of hunting, really. I don’t like guns.

    Dog fighting, chicken fighting, that manner of thing is all about betting and exploitation. Totally different thing. No respect for the animal whatsoever, and the people running those games are not participants.

    If Vick served his time, and was made to realize what he did is cruel and not sport, then if someone wants to hire him, and his team is on board, then fine. If he can speak out against dog fighting, even better. I don’t think he needs to become a dog “lover.”

  342. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    “First, deer are browsers not grazers. Second, it’s not about being a man it’s about doing things for yourself. There is no moral difference between hunting and buying a steak at grocery store. It’s the same as planting a garden. You could buy the same food at the grocery store but it is more enjoyable to do it yourself”

    according to the state, this is true. If the proper quota of deer are not hunted, there will not be enough food in the winter and deer will simply starve to death

  343. Taylor August 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    All I have to say is anyone that thinks Mike remains a listen is crazy. It’s like watching paint… So incredibly boring. And Dog by himself is pretty horrible too. Together they were great, apart they both equally suck.

  344. Joe from Long Island August 14th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Just got home from work. Waiting till 10 PM is rough.

    1. It really is amazing that the Red Sox can’t find a SS, while we’ve been spoiled – yes, spoiled – by Jetes the past decade and a half. When you factor in what they still owe Lugo, and whomever they get to play there, the Sox are going to fork over close to what Jeter is getting paid, for much less production in that position.

    2. Don’t get me started on PETA. It is only because Pete doesn’t want political discussions here that I’m going to refrain. It’s probably good for my blood pressure, also, not to think about it.

    3. Another win tonight.

  345. Ed H. August 14th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    stuart a August 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    wave your hat you are correct i was not thinking.

    i assume san diego would only take igawa if the yanks picked up some of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

    ——————————

    Stuart, when a team makes a waiver claim they agree to take on the whole salary. There is no negotiation regarding who pays salary unless the teams opt to negotiate a trade. In this case, trade negotiations failed and so SD was still on the hook to take both the player and his entire salary if the Yanks agreed to let the claim go through. Instead, the Yanks withdrew the waivers and so both Igawa and his salary remained with the Yanks. I hope that this helps to clarify.

  346. bru August 14th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Ian
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
    When Vick throws a 70 yard downfield flea-flicker TD on a trick play to Deshaun Jackson, nobody will remember what he did.

    Was anyone thinking about steroids when A-Rod hit that 1st pitch 3 run HR in Baltimore?

    When Kobe Bryant was scoring 60 points at MSG, did anyone think about what happened in Colorado?

    Just win baby. This is professional sports not a choir.

    ————————————————————

    not true at all.

    only some

    those peta people remember till the end of time.

  347. E-gawa August 14th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    “Really? Just how sorry was Hamilton that he stole close to 5 million dollars from the Devil Rays? How sorry was he that he went out and got loaded with a bunch of young girls while his wife was at home with the kids? Hamilton is no better than Vick or anybody else that has done what he has done.”

    Pretty sorry considering he told His Wife, Selig and the owner of the Rangers about it months before it was released to the public.

    That sounds like something Vick would do right?

    The man now donates his time and his money to helping kids and talking to anyone that will listen. He’s very upfront about his past and is also very fan friendly.

    That sounds like Vick too right?

  348. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing August 14th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    I don’t think he needs to become a dog “lover.”

    ***********************************************

    Absolutely. I would think that would be actually more hypocritical. Someone who could do what he did, clearly never loved dogs – and being forced to do become one by way of “restitution” or “absolvence” is pointless.

    People who own dogs should like them. Kinda a moot point for me though, because I think his sentence was too short and we shouldn’t be having this discussion for a few more years. But thats just me. :)

  349. bru August 14th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    saucY
    August 14th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
    “but what you expect people to do when they get out of jail? ”

    get a regular job. not one in showbiz… sorry.

    ————————————————————

    the nfl happens to be his job.

    the media & fans turned it into shobi

    he served his time & has a right to earn a living reardless of your opinion.

    if it was a family member or good friend of yours you would understand

  350. randy l. August 14th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    “Wolves figured out that man would feed them if they snopped snarling and stared answering to ‘Fido’. So they evolved into a cuddlier species.”

    tell that to the 12 week old jack russel puppy my manager has in the gallery with her which is really a cross between an alligator and cujo.

    it kind of works out because when someone has a customer service issue, i introduce them to my new customer service manager, cujo .

    returns have been kept to a minimum.

  351. sunny615 August 14th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    For those of you who would like to compare the stadium dimensions – here’s a nice graphic that overlays the dimensions of the old vs the new…

    http://www.theyankeeuniverse.c.....erlay1.jpg

  352. sox r done August 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    lol @ that guy in the red shirt is dead Star Trek reference… classic… definitely laughed… touche

  353. Yankees 26 August 14th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Pete I disagree with you. Sure Vic did his time, but does that mean he should be paid to play football again? He should go earn a real living like taking orders for burgers or washing cars. The NFL should be ashamed! What do I tell my kids? “Yeah It’s okay to kill dogs as long as you pay your debt to society?” Horrible!!!

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