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Johnny’s place in baseball history

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 15, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

d921887ebc_damon10282007Johnny Damon collected his 600th hit with the Yankees when he went 2 for 4 on Wednesday. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, he is one of only three players in history to collect 600 hits with three different teams, the first in 50 years. The others were Wee Willie Keeler (1892-1910) and Doc Cramer (1929-48).

Damon has the following career stats:

1,459 runs
2,389 hits
95 triples
205 homers
981 RBI
370 steals

Only one player in history has ever had 1,500 runs, 2,500 hits, 100 triples, 200 homers, 1,000 RBI and 400 steals. That is Hall of Famer Paul Molitor.

Johnny is an underrated player when you look at it. People think of him as the goofy dude who had the long hair. But he is putting together a historically significant career. A Hall of Famer? Probably not. But few players have been as consistently productive across the board as he has been over the years.

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  1. Scorpio August 15th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Glad to have Johnny on our side, even if he makes LF more exciting than it ought to be :)

    Don’t think Boston regrets their decision to let Damon go but he surely hasn’t regressed over the past 2-3 years as they projected.

  2. hobbie August 15th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Javier Vasquez sure must think Damon is a hall of famer. That Grand Slam in game 7 of the 2004 ALCS put paid to our chances of overcoming Kevin Brown’s clutch performance. It is only the lopsided final score of that game that has obscured the significance of that blast.

  3. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Maine Yankee, I’m not being negative……..and Lester and Beckett are not the product of hype. As I said, I’m not really thinking about it because (a) the Yankees have to make the playoffs first and (b) defeat a good team to get past the first round, which they haven’t done in years.

    Damon’s been a fantastic player – I can’t believe this guy killed us with the Sox, when I couldn’t stand looking at him (his caveman look was ……just ugh). I really don’t think the Yankees can afford to re-sign him, though. His OF play is just dreadful and you can’t let him be the full time DH, whatwith Jorge, Alex, etc….needing some rest. The Yankees are going to have a much different lineup next year – even if Damon comes back, there’s no guarantee he can keep this up at his age. I would expect Jeter to, but there’s no guarantee. It’s an old lineup….

  4. David August 15th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    Hi Peter-

    Love the blog.

    I think re-signing Damon is an iffy proposition. He will decline eventually but a one year deal for 10M with a team option might work. If they win it all, I think that it will be tougher to let Damon go. What do you think?

  5. Erica - always OPPC August 15th, 2009 at 10:27 am

    That is because MPB Johnny Damon is completely awesome. :grin:

    He really is so underrated. Thank you Pete for giving him some appreciation!

  6. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 15th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    “Only one player in history has ever had 1,500 runs, 2,500 hits, 100 triples, 200 homers, 1,000 RBI and 400 steals. That is Hall of Famer Paul Molitor”

    thank you for mentioning Paul Molitor

    my all-time fave player.

  7. Doreen August 15th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    I know it’s not a popular opinion, particularly, but I want Johnny back. He’s one of those players whose overall significance is more important that any particular aspect of his contributions. Plus, I’d always prefer a guy who knows NY, loves playing in NY, knows what to expect, is up to the task, over an unknown who will cost as much or more and is not tested in a big market. Johnny thrives here.

    I wish Matsui could be back, as well, but that would probably be pushing it a bit. But again, you have to look at the entire landscape – what’s out there, who’s on the rise from within, the relative cost. Glad I’m not Brian Cashman.

    And to be honest, if Holiday and Bay are the alternatives, I’d much rather stick with what I’ve got. Holiday is an NL player. Bay? I don’t know.

  8. Erica - always OPPC August 15th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    I want Johnny back too!!!! This should surprise no one

  9. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Erica, I asked Pete for your email address, but he said he needs to get that request from you…..

  10. Erica - always OPPC August 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Betsy- I will e-mail him now

  11. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    No Holliday, no Bay – I’m not interested in tying up good, but not great, players for long years at $$$$$. That said, I’m not sure what the Yankees would do – I don’t think the FA crop is that great this year.

  12. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    Erica, thanks!

  13. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    LOL at “the Robot”…..

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/08.....184692.htm

  14. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    86,

    Because of the Wang situation, I think the Yankees are most likely to bring back Pettitte out of the 3 you mentioned. The likes of Hughes, Joba, Aceves, Kennedy look like they still can’t be fully trusted with multiple rotation spots. Having Pettitte around on a year-to-year basis allows them great flexibility to develop the young arms to the fullest extent without blocking anyone in the long-term.

    Matsui is a DH. I doubt he will return since he has no position and is a high injury risk.

    I’m most curious to see what happens with Damon. He is the toughest to read of the 3 you mentioned. If they offered him arbitration, he might take a 1 year deal but I suspect he has earned a lucrative multi-year deal on the open market.

    I guess it depends on how bad he wants to remain a Yankee.

    The good news is the Yankees aren’t desperately dependent on Johnny Damon. If he leaves for more money, as he did with Boston, the Yankees will still have Melky, Gardner, Swisher and Austin Jackson. Because of OF depth, the Yankees have more leverage with him than his production might indicate.

    If Damon wants a multiyear deal he’s as good as gone. I doubt the Yankees will want to block an outfield spot with Crawford so close to free agency.

    With Arod and Posada on the roster, I think it’s smart to keep the DH spot open long term and even short term starting next season.

    Tough call.

  15. Erica - always OPPC August 15th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    That’s funny Betsy- I just read this quote from Tex and my first thought was, “Robot Tex on”

    “We expect this of ourselves,” said Teixeria, a high-priced free agent signee who is on his way to having 30 home runs and 100 RBIs for a sixth consecutive season. “I’ve been on teams that are happy and surprised to win. We expect to win every game.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/re.....=290814112

  16. dontfirecash August 15th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Holiday is not a good player, he is a great player. While I don’t want him for a long term deal due to numerous other deals the Yanks have, I recognize that he is a great player. In six seasons the guy has 133 OPS+. He was starting to come around in Oakland, so don’t dismiss him as a product of Coors Field.

  17. Erica - always OPPC August 15th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Anyway, I am off for the day and won’t be back until maybe very late tonight.

    Have a wonderful day everyone!

  18. Fran (the original) and OPPC member August 15th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    I would like to see Damon back for another season. He and Derek at the top of the line-up are a great combination.

    When Girardi flipped Damon and Jeter at the top of the line-up before the season began people were all over him, but it turned out to be a great move.

  19. GET YER DAMN HANDS OFF OF HER. August 15th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    If Johnny joins Paul Molitor in that category, how can he not be a HOF’er??

    He would be one of the most balanced baseball players in History.

    not to mention he is about to win his second World Series with two different teams :)

    And he will have played a MAJOR ROLE in both teams seasons. He was the pivotal home run against Mariano in 2004 and the reason the Red Sox beat the Yankees.

  20. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    I can see the Yankees re-signing Pettitte, signing Chapman and R. Soriano definitely. It starts with pitching.

    Chone Figgins remains a possibility as well.

  21. GET YER DAMN HANDS OFF OF HER. August 15th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    P.S. Tex RULEZ Z! !!!!!!

  22. dontfirecash August 15th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Also, any outfield next year that has two of Melky/Gardner/Ajax could be an offensive black hole.

  23. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Erica, but I don’t think that quote shows Tex as a robot. I think he’s right – this team does expect to win. Everyone has commented on it – Kay, O’Neill, Leiter, etc……and everyone has noticed it. For instance, in the 15 inning game against the Sox, it’s the 14th and the Yanks are all laughing and joking around in the dugout. Also, against the Jays – I was at work for Wednesday’s game, but there were comments about how the Yankees looked like they expect to win and the Jays looked like they expect to lose.
    I think the media has conditioned fans to think that players are boring and robotic unless they throwing teammates under the bus, saying stupid things or overall acting like jerks, lol

  24. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    I still dont understand the hate for Matt Holliday. The guy is a career .320 hitter who came over to an AL team that offered him no protection whatsoever in the lineup and was definitely not the hitters park Yankee Stadium is. Not to mention the guy is good for 20 or so stolen bags a year and plays some pretty good defense. I just dont see him as an NL player. Put him in this Yankee Lineup behind A-Rod and in front of Posada and see what happens.

  25. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Holliday is not close to being a great player

  26. Erica - always OPPC August 15th, 2009 at 10:46 am

    Betsy-

    I wasn’t criticizing Tex. I just love how he has developed that “We must win” Yankee mentality. But this team is without a doubt the loosest Yankee team I can recall seeing. Its so nice seeing the players having fun with each other. Past Yankee teams especially in the mid 2000s always looked uncomfortable. But then again, look who was hanging out in the clubhouse… cancers like Kevin Brown and Randy Johnson.

    Okay, I am really going to the beach now! Bye everyone

  27. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 10:46 am

    He’s not “GREAT” but he’s better than NY’s other option: Keeping Matsui around clogging up the DH spot, offers no flexibility in the OF, cant steal a bag, and cant run more than station to station

  28. dontfirecash August 15th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Betsy,

    That may be your opinion. The statistics suggest otherwise.

  29. Richie August 15th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    If he gets 3000 hits, which he could, he’s a Hall of Famer.

  30. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    I will take Carl Crawford over Holliday in LF any day. He makes far mores sense on a long-term deal than Matt Holliday.

    The only way I see Damon back is if he accepts arbitration and a 1 year deal to play LF.

    With Arod and Posada, DH will be fully occupied.

  31. Phil August 15th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    The Yanks will probably see if they can trade for a corner OF.

  32. Doreen August 15th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    I don’t have Holliday “hate.” But my limited exposure to him, based on people being interested in him as a prospective Yankee, saw that he did not do well with Oakland, but was able to turn it on rather quickly once he went back to the NL with the Cardinals. Now, it might have to do with having Pujols in the lineup as opposed to whoever is in the Oakland lineup, I will concede that.

    I just don’t see him as a “must have.”

  33. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    The problem with Crawford over Holliday…….you cant get crawford.

  34. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    YOu can get Crawford in 1 year.

  35. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Corey, I agree……….Matsui is gone. However, I don’t think you commit long years and $$$ to someone just because there are no better options. The Yankees are going to have to get creative……….

  36. dontfirecash August 15th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    He had a 125 OPS+ with Oakland, which is not “great” but it is certainly not even close to bad. He was definitely starting to look even better at the plate in the weeks before the trade to St. Louis. He also plays excellent defense. I would not cry if the Yanks signed him.

  37. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    You THINK you can get Crawford in 1 year……and even if you can…whats stopping NY from getting both Holliday AND Crawford in a year…..Matsui will be gone….Damon will probably be gone (pending hes not gone now or takes only a 1 year deal)……Swisher will be in the last year of his deal…….So what do you do? Let Holliday go and HOPE you can get Crawford?

  38. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Any team can get Crawford in a year – why would we assume that he’s ours just because we want him?

  39. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    I agree about Holliday. I prefer Crawford in 1 year but I would not cry if the Yankees signed Holliday instead. I felt the same way about Teixeira as I feel about Holliday and look how Teixeira turned out. I didn’t think he was a necessity but he really was. Holliday is similar, a proven late-twenties position player all-star who is committed to the game.

  40. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Betsy,

    We assume that Derek Jeter can’t leadoff forever and signing Crawford solves that problem for the next 5-7 years.

  41. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Betsy

    When I talk about the RS hype I’m talking about the whole team. They have many more flaws this year as a whole than the teams that won the WS.

    I don’t think you can compare this Yankee team to those that failed in the playoffs. This team has a look and feel that is totally different. More like the teams of the 90s.

    I’m not as concerned about the RS this year as the past few years and I think the Yankees got their swagger back in the sweep.

  42. abe August 15th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    There is surely a value in having Damon around, but I just don’t think he would take less money/years to stay with the Yankees. After all, he did jump from the Sox.

    OTOH, Matsui might gladly take a 1 year incentive-heavy contract. In Japan, most baseball players are on 1-year contract anyway. He always wanted to play for “historic” franchises, so I feel like he will try to stay as a Yankee if he can.

  43. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    As good as Gozillas bat has been this year, I dont see the point in logjamming the DH spot for another year. We’ve been fairly lucky with injuries this year as a whole, who’s to say 2010 will be the same way?

  44. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Do they have enough money to sign Aroldis Chapman, Pettitte, Rafael Rafael Soriano AND Matt Holliday?

    The first 3 are necessities.

    The kids aren’t ready so you need Pettitte.

    Hughes will be gone from the pen so you need a lights out setup guy.

    Aroldis Chapman has Randy Johnson potential and is 21. Pitchers like him cost the farm in trades. You can’t pass him up.

    To me, Holliday is priority is the last priority out of these players.

  45. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Chapman over Holliday? I think you’ve lost your mind. See that glaring hole in Boston at Short Stop and Right Field? If Holliday and Crawford go elsewhere, We’ll be talking about how damn bad the bottom 3rd of our lineup is :P Im not assuming Ajax is going to be great until I see the production at the ML level.

  46. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 11:05 am

    Brett, Crawford would be a great addition, but once he hits FA, who knows where he’s going to do? I’m just saying that we can’t assume he’ll even want to come here……….

    Maine, I agree about the Yankees…..I posted above that this team just expects to win (and is actually surprised when they lose). That said, baseball is not like football or basketball where the most physically talented team wins most of the time. Everything restarts in the playoffs and you don’t know who will or will not be hot, who will or will not be cold. The way I look at it is this – if the Yankees make the playoffs, they will be facing a good team. They would be favored to win, but they can lose……and that can be said of any team. The playoffs are a complete crapshoot.

  47. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 15th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    have to pass props to Lori Rubinson/WFAN.

    was a captive audience at work last night (only had a radio), and Ms Rubinson made the night passable. In my view, she is as good as anyone on WFAN (not saying much i know :) Anyway, hopefully she will be on WFAN more often. As she really knows her **** when it comes to sports, and is very easy on the ears

  48. Tunnel Man August 15th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    4 more 150 hit seasons and Damon is over 3,000.

    He’s a shoe-in if he goes over 3,000.

  49. Bronx Jeers August 15th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Johnny’s arguably having his best season at the plate.

    “People think of him as the goofy dude who had the long hair.”

    Cavemen aren’t goofy, they’re barbaric.

    I always thought Johhny’s signature moment was the slam off Vasquez in game 7. The proverbial coup de grace.

    Who thought the Yanks were winning that game anyway ?

  50. DT - OPPC member (blood type - Positive) August 15th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Damon seems to be playing better defense the last couple weeks or so. Less staggering around under fly balls, and better routes to the ball.

    What has changed?

    Eye drops? Sharper ice skates?

  51. Bleecker August 15th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    GYDHO”O”H–love the name, but you’ve got a double preposition in it ;_) Agreed, the Molitor comparison certainly puts Damon’s career in a new light. He’s never been a player I considered HOF material. I think of him more along the lines of a front-line player who excelled for a long time, made a few all-star teams and highlight reels, but was never really the best player at anything he did well. Just trying to think back over the years and come up with comparable names/careers, I find myself thinking of guys like Willie Wilson or Dave Collins, maybe. Excellent, occasionally spectacular players that anyone would want on their team, but not the league’s best at anything in particular. Guys like that don’t make the HOF, usually. At least, not before the vets committee gets around to them.

    On the other hand, if JD can put together another 3-4 years of 175-200 hits, he’ll be right at 3000 hits, the Molitor comparisons will heat up (rightfully so), and all bets are off.

  52. BDave 2.0 August 15th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Damon is well worth 2yrs/$24M

    I’d much rather have Damon for 2 than Bay for 4 or Holliday for 5.

    He is tested and approved.

  53. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Betsy

    What I guess I’m saying is I have more confidence with this team going into the playoffs than I’ve had in many years.

    This team is good enough and playing so well together that I feel they can beat any team in the playoffs.

    It’s as much how this team is jelling as it is about the talent.

  54. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Oh I’d definitely take Damon on a short term deal over 5+ Holliday, but I’d take Holliday over more Matsui. I think it depends how this is being looked at….and I also hate Swishers OF play, I bite my fingernails on fly balls hit his way…he does some goofy stuff out there

  55. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Maine Yankee, I agree……..of course they can beat any team. I’m just not assuming they will…….I suppose we’ll find out soon enough.

  56. S.A.--Serenity Now August 15th, 2009 at 11:15 am

    vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 15th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    have to pass props to Lori Rubinson/WFAN.

    was a captive audience at work last night (only had a radio), and Ms Rubinson made the night passable. In my view, she is as good as anyone on WFAN (not saying much i know :) Anyway, hopefully she will be on WFAN more often. As she really knows her **** when it comes to sports, and is very easy on the ears

    ========================

    sarcasm? right? :P

  57. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Betsy
    August 15th, 2009 at 11:13 am
    Maine Yankee, I agree……..of course they can beat any team. I’m just not assuming they will…….I suppose we’ll find out soon enough.

    ————————————————–

    I’m assuming they will. :lol:

  58. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    Lori Rubenstein……ugh. Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard and I don’t think she knows jack.

  59. S.A.--Serenity Now August 15th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Short term deal for Damon, I’m all for that.
    I don’t know if he or the Yankees would be for it, but we’ll see

  60. Bleecker August 15th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Pete, love the blog. Been following quietly for a few years, now.

    Noticed some confusion on the thread over the significance in HOF selection of individual big hits or moments in a player’s career, like Damon’s big HR in 2004. I can see writers considering a player’s career “clutch” quality, but I have a tougher time imagining that a guy sits down at his typewriter and thinks, “Well, he only has 2,900 hits, but he did hit that walk off in ’97″ or “Boy, did he rake during the 2003 ALDS.” It was never my impression that individual moments had much play in the matter. I suppose it all depends on the voter. Are there guidlines about such things? What’s your take?

  61. Merman Thunson August 15th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Arod missed being on that list by 31 hits. He fell short of 600 hits in Texas 2001-2003.

  62. gayle August 15th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    I think the question here is how much does JOhnny want to remain a Yankee and how much Boras will allow him if he really wants to remain. Boras is his agent so we need to keep that in the forefront of every discussion when it comes to Damon. I would bring him back on a 2 year deal perhaps the 2nd year being a club option. This guy is taylor made for Yankee Stadium. Can Damon get a 3 year deal somewhere?? Not sure about that. I think you bring him back if he will take a 2 year reasonable deal. It seems like his family likes it here not sure he would want to uproot them again also not sure he really wants to ply more than 2 years anyway remember this is a guy who almost called it quits a few years ago.

  63. Rose August 15th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    No guarantee Crawford will sign with the Yankees.

    Chone Figgins, no thanks.

    Damon for 1 year. Free agent market might still be low, (5 million for Abreau.) You need offense in the of. Melky, Gardner, Jackson, Swisher will not get it done. Plus, Damon is a clutch player.

  64. BDave 2.0 August 15th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    The value for Holliday, and more so Bay, is in the very thin free agent market this offseason.

    The Yanks would be wise to keep this team together as long as possible, on shorter deals, until a worthwhile free agent comes along (ex. Crawford in 2010).

    This is a great team. Keep it together!

  65. '98 Revisited August 15th, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Damon deffinately not make the Hall of Fame. In the steroid/HGH era standards will be significantly raised. Just as 500 homeruns is no longer be a guarantee of admission, and I don’t think 3000 hits will be either.

  66. Bronx Jeers August 15th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    There are only 27 players with 3,000 + hits

    24 of them are in the HOF

    The other 3 are Rose, Palmiero and Biggio.

    I think Raffy is eligible next year? His case will be incendiary to say the least.

  67. '98 Revisited August 15th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    I think Raffy has about as good a chance to make the Hall as I do. Its sad, because he had one of the sweetest swings I have ever seen.

  68. Bleecker August 15th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Abreu got $5M in the off-season. I’d rather have Damon any day, but don’t think he’s worth $12M by comparison. I realize the game’s economics are screwy these days, but $7M is a pretty wide gap between 2 vets who were your 1 and 3 hitters just a year ago. Not sure their abilities are that far apart.

  69. Dave in NJ August 15th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Doc Cramer’s from Manahawkin, NJ! Hail!!

  70. Merman Thunson August 15th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    FILE MY COMMENT UNDER USELESS ALMOST STAT RECORDS:

    I also wondered about Reggie Jackson’s run w/the A’s, Yankees and the Angels.
    I was like how could he not be part of that 600/600/600 club?
    But alas he fell 42 hits short as well with the Angels.

  71. Tom in N.J. August 15th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    This guys name is fantastic:

    http://www.baseball-reference......th01.shtml

  72. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Rose,

    I think it is very unrealistic to think Damon would accept a 1 year deal after the season he’s putting together.

  73. JFK August 15th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Johnny Damon should be back next year he is one of the teams best clutch hitters. Sign him to a 1 year deal have him DH half the time you can then play Gardner and Melky in the outfield at the same time. And when you need to DH Posada Damon can then play in leftfield. Damon brings more flexibility than Matsui does because he can still play the outfield.

  74. '98 Revisited August 15th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    I think the Yanks are crazy if they let him go after this year. He has a swing that is made for Yankee Stadium. There is no reason he couldn’t go 25/90 for a couple more seasons. The only problem is his defense.

  75. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Im sure its not just me….but I dont want an OF of Swisher, Cabrera, Gardner……no offense to all you money savers out there….but while the defense would be great, the offense would be pretty lackluster.

  76. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Swisher is among the league leading outfielders in OPS, Melky/Gardner is among the most productive CF’s in all of baseball. Austin Jackson is a top prospect.

    As for Figgins, he leads the AL in runs scored. He is the perfect bargain table setter.

  77. Merman Thunson August 15th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    I love how PED’s are now viewed as automatic talent enhancers. Soooo many of the players who were juicing performed in no way in an enhanced fashion. They still were below par or undertalented.
    Look up Grimsley, Stanton, Segui etc etc etc. Definitely didn’t didn’t enhance a thing for Knoblauch his last two years he was using. Where were the magic results for him? He still sucked and ended his career at the ripe old age of 34?
    If you are going to demonize for example, Palmiero and ignore all his stats and call them juiced. What do you say to those who showed no improvement or diminished performance. It can’t work both ways can it?

  78. '98 Revisited August 15th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    I like Gardner and Cabrera but I don’t think they are good enough to be everyday players on the Yankees. Swisher, even though he has had some big hits, plays the worst outfield I have ever seen. I cross my fingers everytime a ball is hit to him.

  79. Joe Monte August 15th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Damon will make the HOF if he plays four more seasons and play until he is 39. He’s going to be the perfect DH / 4th OF for the Yankees or another team for the next few seasons. He’s at 2389 career hits right now in his career. He’s at 119 hits for 2009 and he’ll probably get 47 more hits to finish at 166 for the season and he’ll be at 2436 career hits. Four more seasons at an average of 162 hits per season (2006 – 2009 (projected) average) and he will be at 3084 career hits at the end of 2013 season at the age of 39.

    Based on those career hits and the other accomplishments in Damon’s career (2 HRs 2004 ALCS Game 7, WS ring, etc.), Johnny Damon will become a member of the Baseball Hall of Fame.

  80. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Figgins is 2nd in all of MLB in runs scored, 2nd only to Albert Pujols.

    Yeah, no thanks to him.

    It’s unimportant to score runs in baseball.

  81. raymagnetic August 15th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Matt Holliday had an OPS+ of 125 for Oakland this year which is pretty good for a guy most people said couldn’t hit outside of Coors field.

    His OPS+ with St. Louis so far is a ridiculous 248.

    He’s very good. May not be great but he may be worth a 5 year deal.

  82. '98 Revisited August 15th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Thunson, I think it is clear that PEDs do not help singles hitters and pitchers as much as they help power hitters. Also, there are players that had ridiculous peaks in there numbers during the steroid era that seem to prove the effectiveness of steroids. Would anyone dount that players like Brady Andersen, Luis Gonzalez, and Brett Boone were juicing. It is only common sense that if a player goes from 20 homeruns to 50 homeruns when steroids became more common, and then back to 20 after testing was instituted, something is wrong.

  83. ariel August 15th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    It will be interesting to see the spin Boras puts on a Damon pursuit…..JD might let him do it for awhile but when what is obvious to most hits home, Johnny will jump at a one year deal and re-sign, IF CASH wants another year of the “Keller Syndrome”…that is, Helen on defense and Charlie at bat.

  84. Paul August 15th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    I love Johnny D and if the Yanks have to make a painful choice between him and Matsui I think they should keep Johnny as he can bat at the top of the lineup and give you speed. I doubt Austin Jackson will be ready and I see Brett G and Melky as ideal in the 9-hole.

    As to the HOF, if he gets 3,000 hits, he’s likely in. If not, Molitor was just that little bit better at the plate (.300+ lifeting BA and 3,300 hits — thank you retrosheet!) and a very solid fielder at several positions. I do think that the HOF should have a list for Honorable Mentions to recognize players who were very good but not quite HOF. A good example would be Mel Stottlemyre.

  85. Richie August 15th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    If Damon is willing to accept a one year deal, he’ll be back.

    Then they’ll trade Swisher, if some team would take his contract.

  86. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Frankly, the Yankees can’t afford not to bring Damon back.

    They can certainly afford a 2 year deal and he gives them great flexibility if he returns.

    People may not have noticed but, he has played a LOT better in LF the past 3-4 weeks. He’s never going to be great out there. However, he’s not awful as he was earlier in the year.

    He’s still a great hitter, has proven he can play in NY, and helps balance out the lineup.

    It will also allow them to not rush Austin Jackson, who is not ready to play everyday in the majors yet, as well as keep a productive player and not tie up too many years/money at another position.

    His #1 priority is to stay in NY. That being the case, as well as a lot more money coming off the books in the off-season, no reason why they can’t work things out.

  87. DT - OPPC member (blood type - Positive) August 15th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    “Tom in N.J.
    August 15th, 2009 at 11:33 am
    This guys name is fantastic: The Only Nolan”

    Tom – thanks for that – did you read about this guy? Some of his antics had me ROFL.

    “It is said he was suspended twice during the 1878 season, once for visiting a whorehouse when he had told the team he was going to be visiting his brother. He was blacklisted from the league.”

    ” In 1881, He told the team he was going to a funeral, but instead went drinking, which got him kicked off the team.”

    he even had an Arod “HA” moment –

    “One day in a game against the Boston team, Nolan caused a Boston outfielder to muff a fly by yelling “look out for the fence”, although there was no fence nearby. He was fined $10, and when he gave lip to the umpire, the fine went up to $150.”

    http://www.baseball-reference......Only_Nolan

  88. dontfirecash August 15th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Ray,

    He also plays excellent defense. He has a 4.3 UZR/150 this year, 6.6 UZR/150 for his career and he posted a 10.9 UZR/150 with Colorado last year. Compare that to Johnny D who has a -12.2 UZR/150 this year.

  89. Bronx Jeers August 15th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    “Just as 500 homeruns is no longer be a guarantee of admission, and I don’t think 3000 hits will be either.”

    Not necessarily true regarding 500 homers.

    There are about 7 players who have 500+ and have been linked to PED’s

    Bonds
    Sosa
    McGwire
    ARod
    Palmiero
    Manny
    Sheff.

    If the voting trend follows McGwire, those guys are obviously going to have problems getting in.

    A guy like Arod probably won’t be eligible until about 2022 so who knows how attitudes will evolve.

    Thome and Griffey also have 500+ and are pretty much guaranteed unless there are some future revelations.

    But after that, the 500 HR club pretty much returns to normal.

    Delgado is the closest at 473. He’s 37 and not healthy.

    Vlad has 400 at age 34 but hasn’t been healthy for a while.

    Andruw Jones has 388 and is only 32. I would doubt it.

    Pujols has 357 and is 29. I would say he should reach 650 easily. He’s just not human.

    And beyond that, there are really just a handful of guys who are young enough and have enough homers at this point to possibly reach 500. Guys like Dunn, Glauss, Carlos Lee, Derek Lee. Maybe a couple of others. These are guys in their young 30′s and 300 +.

    Tex is 29 and is at 233. Ryan Howard is the same age and has 205. 500 would seem quite difficult.

    Still all these guys would need to beat the odds as their bodies and skills follow the natural arc of decline that PED’s seemed to curb.

    So, as quickly as the 500+ homer club got polluted with steroid users, it seems to be quickly returning to normal.

  90. GMAN August 15th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    At the start of the season my choice for 2009 World Series MVP was Johnny Damon…I stand by it. JD will play so well the Yankees will have to bring him back for 2 more years!

    Also stood by Joba at the All Star Break when the vultures were circling!

  91. GMAN August 15th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Johnny Damon is a much better player than Paul Molitor.

  92. Tak August 15th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    I am glad that Damon joined the Yankees, but if he had remained with the Red Sox, his stats would have been a lot more appreciated (though BoSox did underappreciate him, too) or not….. He was an icon there.

  93. Bronx Jeers August 15th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    “I think Raffy has about as good a chance to make the Hall as I do. Its sad, because he had one of the sweetest swings I have ever seen.”

    Yeah it is sad because there are players who are good enough to get in without PED’s. Like Bonds and ARod.

    Then there are players who may have not technically broken the rules of MLB. Like McGwire with his andro.

    It’s a big ugly mess.

    Oh and I forgot about Frank Thomas on my list. Which is my bad.

    He’s at 521 and is considered clean.

  94. Tom in N.J. August 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    “One day in a game against the Boston team, Nolan caused a Boston outfielder to muff a fly by yelling “look out for the fence”, although there was no fence nearby. He was fined $10, and when he gave lip to the umpire, the fine went up to $150.”

    Well, he seems like my type of player.

    DT, I hadn’t heard of him until this morning. I was looking for the stats for Stephen Crane, the novelist who wrote ‘The Red Badge of Courage’. He played baseball a Syracuse in college, and there have been unconfirmed reports that he may have played pro-ball for a short time.

    Crane’s from New Jersey and so is The Only Nolan. That’s how I found him. After reading your findings about him, I’m glad I did.

  95. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    “Johnny Damon is a much better player than Paul Molitor”

    LMAO

  96. Bronx Jeers August 15th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    “Johnny Damon is a much better player than Paul Molitor.”

    Scott Boras posts here?

  97. Carl August 15th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Lets say he does get in. Which cap would he wear?

  98. Cash is King August 15th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    I agree with SJ, the Yanks will most likely try to bring back Damon on a short-term deal like a 1-2 year contract.

    Also, to all others worry about Boston in the playoffs just remember the old saying:

    To be the best, you have to beat the best!

  99. stuart August 15th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    damon at 2 yrs and $20 mill.. a pay cut but a nice salary for a 35 yr old guy.

    he has tough BA’s, is clutch, good teammate, and can still play.. OF of ; damon, ajax, gardner, melky, and ???? Not a great outfield but a good outfield….

  100. Jeff NJ August 15th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    We’ve gots to keep us some Johnny Damon! I love Matusi too, but you have to let him go if he can’t play the field. Sign Johnny, 2 years $22M with an option for a third year based on games played and production.

  101. GMAN August 15th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    vinny-b…
    It took Paul Molitor 21 seasons to compile those numbers.

    Molitor was a compiler not a dominator.

    Johnny is not a dominator either…
    but he will surpass Paulie by the time his career is thru.

    You take Paul…I’ll take Johnny…we’ll both be happy.

  102. stuart August 15th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    I meant AB’s.. My bad..

  103. Tom in N.J. August 15th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    At the time of his age 35 season, same age as Damon is now, Paul Molitor had a higher batting average, on base percentage, and slugging percentage than Damon.

  104. w/e August 15th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    “Molitor was a compiler”

    I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

    Yes, a Princess Bride quote.

  105. Bronx Jeers August 15th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    “Only one player in history has ever had 1,500 runs, 2,500 hits, 100 triples, 200 homers, 1,000 RBI and 400 steals. That is Hall of Famer Paul Molitor.”

    GMAN,

    The thing is is that Pete’s note is slightly misleading. These are just nice round numbers and are somewhat comparable to Johnny’s milestones.

    But it’s not like Molitor barely topped some of those plateaus.

    He’s got 3,300 hits. 1,300 RBI, 1,800 runs and 500 steals.

  106. minnesota yankee fan August 15th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Johnny is awesome, he’s a Yankee you know. :>) I think the Yanks should keep him around for awhile. He certainly isn’t an everyday player but with some days off to rest now and then he brings alot to the team. Definitely underrated.

  107. GMAN August 15th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Bronx Jeers,
    Thanks for the note.
    Molitor was a great player with a tremendous career.
    All props to him.

    I have liked Damon since he was with the KC Royals.
    Johnny has been a game changer with every team he’s played with…Royals, A’s, Ped Sox and the great NY Yankees.
    JD still has a lot in the tank…plays hurt…lays it all out…every pitch…every inning.

    I am a fan and JD still has a lot of baseball left in him!

  108. Bronx Jeers August 15th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Compiling or stat padding and reaching milestones are a bit ambiguous in nature.

    Players don’t necessarily get paid to do these things. They get paid to perform.

    People say the Giants were paying Bonds to break the HR record. Still he was also getting on base at a near .500 clip. He was helping his team.

    Hoffman’s another “compiler” with his 1.80 ERA and 26 saves.

    If you’re earning a contract, you have to be doing something right.

  109. Bret the Hitman August 15th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    Figgins is 1st in the AL in runs scored.

    He is also 4th in the AL in P/PA.

    He is a top 5 basestealer as well.

    He is, in effect, one of the top leadoff hitters in baseball.

    No thanks.

  110. Bronx Jeers August 15th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    “JD still has a lot in the tank…plays hurt…lays it all out…every pitch…every inning.

    I am a fan and JD still has a lot of baseball left in him!”

    GMAN,

    I heartily AGREE on all points!

    Johnny is my favorite Sox player of all time. Well, him and Bill Buckner.

    I once tried to start a “FUTURE – YANKEE clap…clap, clap,clap,clap” chant during his last at bat as a Sox player at Yankee Stadium.

  111. Cash is King August 15th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Looks like Buster Olney has finally seen the light and admit his mistake in not picking the Yankees to make the playoffs. Just goes to show you that these so-called baseball experts don’t have a great track record in predicting what may or may not happen in baseball.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....ney_buster

  112. Sports Geek August 15th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    I really like Johnny D.
    He always plays hard.. he is a great hitter.. he’s a great teammate.. Too bad his fielding wasn’t stronger.

    I think the Yankees would be foolish not to bring him back for 1 more year, with a team option for a 2nd yr. Give him a contract with incentives.
    … Would he accept that?

    His OPS is great this year, basically tied w/ ARod for 2nd on the team (how can the Yankees not bring him back?)

    I hope he can boost his average just a little more and get it over .300. Also, with a little luck, and maybe a hot streak, he can reach 30 HRs for the season. Wow!
    But, what has happened to his SB statistic this season?

    Go Johnny!!

  113. mike August 15th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    when figgins doesn’t play the yankees he is basically brett gardner… no thanks

  114. Carl August 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Does anyone have an insider account?

  115. CB August 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    SJ,

    I wanted to send a very warm congratulations to you and your family.

    This weeks Baseball America must have been very sweet reading.

    For people who haven’t seen it Tony was #1 on the Baseball America Hot Sheet for this past week.

    Tony has been absolutely on fire. And it must have been great to read BA starting the process of eating a little crow. Maybe their just unfolding the napkin and placing it in their laps but this was some good stuff. And it usually takes much, much longer for them to turn around on a kid.

    Very short period of time in which you go from an “overdraft” to “intriguing.”

    “No. 1 TONY SANCHEZ, C
    PIRATES
    Tony SanchezTeam: low Class A West Virginia (South Atlantic)
    Age: 21
    Why He’s Here: .500/.520/1.091 (11-for-22), 3 HR, 4 2B, 12 RBIs, 8 R, 2 BB, 3 SO, 1-for-1 SB
    The Scoop: With a series of trades since taking over as Pirates general manager, Neal Huntington has dramatically retooled the makeup of Pittsburgh’s major league club and its farm system. But despite all the trades, the franchise-record bonus given to Pedro Alvarez last year and the seven-figure bonuses given to late-round draft picks like Robbie Grossman and Zack Von Rosenberg, the Pirates’ most intriguing new addition might be Tony Sanchez.

    While Sanchez ranked as the No. 32 prospect going into the 2009 draft, the Pirates bucked consensus and took him fourth overall. Two months later, the former Boston College catcher is hitting .358/.465/.613 in 27 games with West Virginia with five home runs, 15 walks and 20 strikeouts. For all of the Pirates’ new additions, Sanchez is the player who could make the Pirates look brilliant if he pans out.”

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....68713.html

  116. Cash is King August 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    I don’t want Figgins because I think his speed is starting to fade as he moves towards his 32nd birthday and he has little power to speak off while being less effective from the left side of the plate.

  117. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Was thinking the same thing Carl, would love to read that Buster Olney article

  118. Cash is King August 15th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    The article talks about the great job Girardi and Cashman have done this season and the following:

    • Johnny Damon: There has been a running debate about whether Damon was worth the four-year, $52 million investment by the Yankees, and as his deal nears its completion, that debate is over — he’s been a terrific player for the Yankees, scoring almost 400 runs in four years, tailoring his swing this season to fit new Yankee Stadium.

    The Yankees want him back, and he could become the team’s next version of David Cone; going forward, he might be offered above-market one-year contracts rather than a two- or three-year deal.

    • Mark Teixeira: He has been everything the Yankees hoped for in how he has augmented the lineup and how he has helped the defense and how he has handled himself with the media. And because the Yankees have him and the Red Sox don’t, it might take Boston several years (and many prospects and dollars) to make up for what the Red Sox could have had if they had won the bidding.

    • CC Sabathia: A lot of pitchers — a lot — have struggled to meet the expectations that come with being a high-priced hired gun in New York. But Sabathia is having a solid season, and he’s getting better, consistently pitching deep into games.

  119. Rick August 15th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Damon seems a lock for another 2 years with the Yankees. It allows for another year to see if A-Jax is major league ready. No Holliday or Bay, wait and go all out for Crawford.
    Go hard after Ardolis Chapman and keep Pettitte for another year as protection.

  120. Carl August 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Cash is King,

    Thanks

  121. GGBG August 15th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    3-4 more decent hitting seasons and he’ll have 3000 hits, 250+ HR, 400+ SB’s

    He gets to those stats and he’ll wind up in the HoF without having to buy a ticket.

  122. MG August 15th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Since money is a Yankees issue, not mine, I want Damon back next year-a two year deal with a club option would probably work for both sides. I also want Andy back, he’s pitching too well to let him leave if he still wants to play.

    Matsui is more valuable to the club than most are willing to admit as well. He is a professional hitter who excels in clutch situations. The Japanese place a huge emphasis on saving face and loyalty so it’s possible the Yankees could also keep him on a one year deal with an option as long as they don’t try to insult him monetarily.

    Somehow the Yankees will figure it out if they win the World Series. If they fall short of that, all bets are off since that’s an indicator that changes need to be made.

  123. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 15th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    “It took Paul Molitor 21 seasons to compile those numbers.
    Molitor was a compiler not a dominator.
    Johnny is not a dominator either…
    but he will surpass Paulie by the time his career is thru”

    GMAN:

    question. Did you ever actually see Molitor play? Specifically, when he was with Milwaukee?

    you can call him inury prone. And you can say he was without a position later in his career (due to nagging injuries). However, unless you care to be woefully wrong, you cannot call him a “compiler”

    having watched baseball for a long time, i’ve never seen an everyday player mean more to a lineup, then Molitor did to the Brewers. As Molitor went, so did the Brewers. He was the catalyst, and one of the greatest leadoff hitters of all-time. Do you know how Yankee fans say, you have to watch Derek Jeter play every day, to appreciate him? Molitor was the same way. He did everything right. And other then nagging injuries (which forced him to DH later in his career) he had NO weaknesses in his game. Brilliant baserunner, ultra competitive, highly selective at the plate. And foremost the ability to hit to all fields. The very definition of a pure hitter. And his 3,300 hits prove this. If not for his multiple DL stints, he would probably have closer to 4,000 hits. Ted Williams once said, whenever Molitor is at the plate, he sees Joe Dimmajio.

    in the prime of his career, Molitor was a complete ball player. With ZERO weaknesses in his game. He was the furthest thing from a ‘compiler’

  124. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Dimaggio

  125. jg29 August 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    What do you guys think about the Yankees trading for Billy Wagner? He would be a nice combo with Phil Hughes for the 7th and 8th innings provided he is healthy now.

  126. GMAN August 15th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Bronx Jeer,

    I just did a little research at “Baseball Reference”…
    It is really stunning how close the 162 game averages work out for Johnny and Paulie.

    Molitor has him by batting avg. but the line items are amazingly comparable!

    Also the term “compiler” is not used with any disrespect.
    In my view, it means a player has put up some serious numbers over a long term career…that is by definition illustrious but non necessarily HOF.

    Molitor is a HOF player in my book.
    But I think Damon is on track to be as well…I think he’s got 5 years left of MLB(3 of which will be very productive).
    Depending how bad he wants it and whether those concussions hurt his durability.

    Peace

  127. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    An OF of Damon, Gardner, Melky and AJax is just plain bad…….ouch.

    Richie, why would the Yankees trade Swisher?

  128. MG August 15th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    jg29
    August 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
    What do you guys think about the Yankees trading for Billy Wagner? He would be a nice combo with Phil Hughes for the 7th and 8th innings provided he is healthy now.
    ——————————————
    No, it’s just the latest in the endless fascination of name players who can no longer perform at the level remembered by the fan. Wagner is coming off major surgery, hasn’t pitched since 2008, and is a complete question mark.

  129. GMAN August 15th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    vinny-b,
    Thanks for the note.
    Yes, I have seen Molitor play.
    Paul Molitor was a great HOF baseball player…no doubt.
    I understand his value to the Brewers and the game.

    Check out the 162 game avg. for both Paul Molitor and Johnny Damon. Paulie hit for better avg but Johnny scores more runs.

    They are both great players! I happen to really love watching JD play baseball…ever since he came up with the Royals…I saw a game changer.

    Peace!

    I like Damon.

  130. Alan August 15th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    jg29
    August 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
    What do you guys think about the Yankees trading for Billy Wagner? He would be a nice combo with Phil Hughes for the 7th and 8th innings provided he is healthy now.
    …………….

    Wagner is a known clubhouse distraction. Can’t be sure if he’s healthy. Not a good fit as a Yankee.

  131. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Gardner, Damon, Melky, and AJax isn’t the worst I’ve heard…Damon is good, Melky is good if he keeps up this production, AJax may or may not be good but he plays good defense.

    However, there is no reason to get rid of Swishy.

  132. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    “What do you guys think about the Yankees trading for Billy Wagner? He would be a nice combo with Phil Hughes for the 7th and 8th innings provided he is healthy now.”

    We have our own Wagner his name is Bamaso Marte.

  133. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Damaso Marte*

    (long night and I’m on my 3rd cup of coffee)

  134. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Buster didn’t mention AJ or Swish? What about how the CF position has morphed from a black hole to something pretty solid?

    ESPN’s a joke – 99% of their articles are Insider pieces.

  135. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    BTW, the the freaking Red Sox realy made me mad.

    I think they’ll make the wild card, but I also said that if they lose this series with Texas, it’s over. And they were well on their way until Victor Freaking Martinez doubled.

  136. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 15th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    GMAN:

    ok. fair enough, bro

  137. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    I would not even consider re-signing Matsui – his inability to play the OF causes a great deal of lineup inflexibility. He’s also aging – the Yankees really need to get younger. This year may be a perfect storm, where all parts of the offense are working. Jeter is ageless, so I don’t worry about him. Posada, Damon – they could just fall off the cliff next year. The Yankees can’t assume these guys are just going to continue on as they have been……one day, they just won’t be able to do it anymore over a 162 + gamee schedule.

  138. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    And the Red Sox thought Damon was washed up…

    Interesting question: Let’s assume Damon DOES make the HOF. Is he in as a Yankee or a Red Sock?

  139. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Wait, that OF offensively is just awful.

  140. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    I think the DH spot will bw there for Johnny and Georgy next season.

  141. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    I’d like to sign Johnny back and maybe sign Matt Holliday to three or four year deal…DH Johnny and play Holliday in the OF. When you want to give Holliday a bit of a rest swap the two.

  142. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    BTW, this is too funny. RAB with almost the exact same article.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-532999

  143. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    “Gardner, Damon, Melky, and AJax”

    I don’t agree w/ Betsy if anything they’d score in many different ways, gappers, HRs, sac bunt, sac fly, legging out a single. You can’t always hit one out of the park and that doesn’t always get it done. I rather shore up that OF defense and let these kids build thier rep. on the offensive side ala Gardy and Melky.

  144. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Matt Holliday hopefully stays in STL, I’m sorry but that’s not a guy you give 4+ yrs. too, and he’s horrible defensively. His stats don’t show it but every you flick on the t.v. and see Matt in the OF he has gaffs.

  145. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    I wonder what the Yankees are going to do with Marte. He’s obviously not healthy (or, at least, he’s not throwing that well) from what Girardi is saying……what are their options? I don’t think they seem inclined at all to bring him up, knowing he’d get killed the way he’s throwing

  146. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    nothing you keep him on the DL and call it shoulder tendinitis, hope he gets back to throwing 93+ but right now he hasn’t.

  147. miggs August 15th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Betsy
    August 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
    Wait, that OF offensively is just awful.

    No its not.

    Again, you can’t have an all star at every spot.

    Both Melky and Gardner have proven to be servicable OFs. Swisher is finein RF, and the addition of AJax (if they start him in the majors in 2010) just adds depth and versatility to the OF. Damon can alternate between DH and LF when ARod,Posada, or someone else needs a DH day.

    Melky, Gardner, AJax all have speed and are good-great defensively.

  148. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    I totally disagree Brandon. Holliday is excellent defensively. If he could put up the type of offense he put up even with the A’s, coupled with his excellent defense, and added to the fact that we’d be, in my hypothetical scenario, keeping Johnny, I’d absolutely give four years to the guy.

    Not to mention he won’t put up the type of numbers he did with the A’s. He’s a better player than that.

  149. Bill August 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Damon( & Matsui) are both having really good years, but when the NYY consider them for 2010 I hope the FO tempers the positives with the fact that the new YS has something to do with their performances. I do not believe Matsui will be back, Cashman & Joe like athletic, versatile players who can play some D. If Damon agrees to a 1 or 2 year low $ (under $10MM per?) deal I’d consider him. But don’t be fooled into thinking there aren’t other options out there. A good LH hitting OF could put up a lot of HRs like Damon & Matsui. Shin Soo Choo (Cleveland) comes to mind.

  150. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    “Wait, that OF offensively is just awful.”

    I disagree completely Betsy. Damon is an excellent hitter. Melky, if he does what he’s doing this year next year, is an above average player. Gardner is a good guy to “play the hot streaks with”. And AJax should at least be able to put up league average defense. Anyway you’d have at least two very good defensive oufielders in at any given time, which could make up for some offensive woes.

    This is a moot point anyway because we’re not getting rid of Swish. I’d rather just let them have AJax develop in the minors then.

  151. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Who cares if NYS is helping Johnny’s performance? That would be his home park, right?

  152. vin August 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    “Why He’s Here: .500/.520/1.091 (11-for-22), 3 HR, 4 2B, 12 RBIs, 8 R, 2 BB, 3 SO, 1-for-1 SB”

    That’s it?! He’ll never pan out. :)

    Next stop… High A ball. Who knows, hopefully in 7 years or so he’ll make it to the Pirates parent club… the Yankees.

    Congrats!

  153. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    “I totally disagree Brandon. Holliday is excellent defensively”

    I keep on hearing that, but every time, it’s not just once or twice this dude looks horrible in the OF, Evan Roberts for 3 straight days when the Cards were playing the Mets said if they would have had Johnny Damon in LF they wouldn’t have had that much trouble shutting down the Mets. He’s an adventure out there man. Let sleeping dogs lie. I’d rather have depth and versatility in that spot then a guy that I have to worry about.

  154. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    CB,

    Thanks a lot. Its been a great run for him. He’s also hitting .476 with RISP and the Power is only one game out of first in the second half, after finished 12 games under .500 in the first half.

    He’s having fun and playing well. Which is all we could ask at this early stage of his career.

  155. NYYROC August 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    In 2010 I think the NYY will use the DH spot to rotate Posada, ARod, Jeter and Damon (if he comes back). Jeter & ARod to give them a day off now and then, with Posada and Damon getting the bulk of the DH time. Jorge will still catch a lot, but his days at DH will increase over the next 2 years. If Damon does come back, I think he’ll be DHing more and playing LF less too. His D has gone down hill this year.

  156. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    IDK Brandon, I watch him a lot too and he makes the play way more often than not.

    Damon, now he’s a bad defensive outfielder.

  157. you gotta have faith (aceves, you da man!) August 15th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    johnny<3

    one more year! one more year!

  158. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    This franchise won WS with Chad Curtis in LF.

    The whole key is to not tie up a position for a long time on a good, but not great, player.

    Neither Holliday or Bay are great players.

    If you have roster and payroll flexibility, you are more dangerous an organization when you have the kind of cash the Yankees have.

    This “horrible” OF has been the second most productive OF offensively (next to the Angels) this season.

    The younger guys are going to get better every year.

    A guy like Damon can play another 2-3 years easily.

    He loves NY and if the two sides can take it year to year, everybody wins.

  159. m August 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    Erica must be so happy! A whole thread dedicated to her PB. :)

  160. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Brandon, I thought Marte’s rehab time is about to expire……..?

    Good points, Miggs and Brandon…….though I doubt AJax is going to be up here. From what it sounds like, he’s really taken a step back in AAA and he’s still strikes out way too much. I thought 2010 was his ETA, but now it looks closer to 2011……I still think he’ll be a good, solid player, but he needs more time; I would not want to rush him.

  161. dennis-Costanza August 15th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    SJ. Congrats. Tony is on a torrid pace.

    CB. I really appreciate your diligence in the post re:Tony.

    That is great for SJ and family and great for BC.

    Betsy. Thanks for your Philly food review. Amy told me she emailed you back this AM.

    Happy Weekend Everyone.

    -dennis

  162. RalphieD (OPPC) August 15th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    i think its kinda ridicoulous to believe that the yankees are just gonna use the dh spot next year to rotate arod jeter posada/ whomever..thats not gonna be possible unless they play on having backups playing everyday for those guys..

    damon can dh 4-6 times per week (if they have another lf) and play the occasional lf…

    they are gonna need a mostly full-time dh

  163. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    I want to dump Matsui (great player, but no flexibility at all) and resign Damon AND Holliday. Damon could be our DH.

    I don’t think Holliday is a great player, but he plays excellent defense and is well above average offensively. A three or four year deal doesn’t sound too shabby at all. That would be a Holliday LF, Meky.Gardner CF and Swisher RF. Pretty good, both offensively and defensively (Swish isn’t great but he’s not as bad as Damon). With Johnny at DH. If you want to give somebody a rest, you could play him in the field and switch with one of the OF’ers at DH.

  164. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Wait, I want to see another year like this from Melky – I think he and Gardner are still basically 4th OFers. Swish has a problem at home, which is a problem – he’s got to figure out a way to hit better at YS. That said, he’ll be fine…..though he’s just not a good OFer. Damon can still hit, but again remember, old guys tend to fall off the cliff suddenly.

  165. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Anyone can say what they want about Johnny in LF but when he plays it smart holds you to a single w/o fooling around trying to be the hero in the OF it helps a bit. Now if your down by 1 he can always do that..

    http://www.mlb.com/media/video.....id=6020765

  166. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    I think if both are 4th OF’ers you play the hot streaks and go with the two headed CF.

    Melky is young enough that this could be a legitimate rennaissance year.

  167. kd August 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    regarding johnny, and i really hate to say this, but it might be in the hands of the boston media. if he’s viewed as a key peice of hte 2004 comeback and a founding member of the ‘idiots,’ then he’s got a fighting chance if he doesn’t get 3000 hits. if they still view him as judas, then he might not go. jim rice is not a hof guy, but he just got in.

    if someone already wrote this, sorry. i didn’t read through all of the comments.

  168. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Dennis, you’re welcome! I haven’t checked my emails since this morning – I will do so shortly.

    Good win by the Sox last night – they deserve a ton of credit for taking it on the chin from the Yankees and bouncing back. This AL East race is not over by any stretch……

  169. m August 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Question on post-season rosters (is it safe to talk about it now?):

    Girardi said Gardner might not make it back before rosters expand. Is he still eligible for post-season play (being on the DL on 9/1/09)?

  170. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Being flexible with the DH spot is a much better way to go. It gives you more options.

    When they played the NL this year it took Matsui’s bat out of the lineup except for PH.

  171. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    “I don’t think Holliday is a great player, but he plays excellent defense and is well above average offensively.”

    He makes a play here and there but there are alot of Nick Swisher like moments out there from him Wait. I mean I thought we moved past this already, a big name player, I’d rather they use that money on Chapman and just shore up the defense.

  172. Rishi August 15th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    buster on Damon:

    Johnny Damon: There has been a running debate about whether Damon was worth the four-year, $52 million investment by the Yankees, and as his deal nears its completion, that debate is over — he’s been a terrific player for the Yankees, scoring almost 400 runs in four years, tailoring his swing this season to fit new Yankee Stadium.

    The Yankees want him back, and he could become the team’s next version of David Cone; going forward, he might be offered above-market one-year contracts rather than a two- or three-year deal.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....ney_buster

  173. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    “Melky is young enough that this could be a legitimate rennaissance year.”

    I also want Melky getting a blow here and there b/c I want him at his best come playoffs.

  174. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Jackson hasn’t taken a step back in AAA. He’s the youngest player in AAA. He was just voted by the managers and coaches, the “best bat” in AAA.

    If he isn’t ready yet, that’s not taking a step back. It just means he needs more time. At 21-22, that’s not a bad thing.

    Matt Holliday is not a great defensive player. He’s decent, not great.

    Don’t go by UZR ratings. They aren’t logical and often gives very false reads on players. Its the problem with defensive metrics.

    The same system rates Cano and Tex “average” defensively.

    You have seen both guys play all year. You think both are “average” defensively?

    The Yankees have good problems this off-season. They can shed payroll and have a lot of options because of all the young talent in the system.

    Current baseball economics also helps them because they don’t have to overpay for anybody.

    In addition, the positive clubhouse, which is the talk among the players throughout baseball, makes it a more inviting place for guys.

    To that, everybody owes a debt of gratitude to guys like CC, AJ and Swisher because the change in the clubhouse is the best thing to happen to the franchise in years.

  175. RalphieD (OPPC) August 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    “Good points, Miggs and Brandon…….though I doubt AJax is going to be up here. From what it sounds like, he’s really taken a step back in AAA and he’s still strikes out way too much. I thought 2010 was his ETA, but now it looks closer to 2011……I still think he’ll be a good, solid player, but he needs more time; I would not want to rush him.”

    i dont think its fair to say hes really taken a step back…

    his avg, triples, stolen bases, obp and slugging are currently higher than they were last year….his strike are still bad and hasnt hit for much homerun power but it think its more fair to say that he hasnt taken that step further we thought he might vs taking a step back…he was just named the best hitting prospect in the IL by the coaches..

  176. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    So spending on Holliday is stupid, but spending money on Chapman isnt? Am I the only one confused by this?

  177. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    “Jackson hasn’t taken a step back in AAA. He’s the youngest player in AAA. He was just voted by the managers and coaches, the “best bat” in AAA.”

    That’s why I stayed shut on that lohud has a thing of ripping on AJax.

  178. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    “So spending on Holliday is stupid, but spending money on Chapman isnt? Am I the only one confused by this?”

    You should read up on Chapman and then you’ll understand. An arm like his doesn’t come quite often to the majors.

  179. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    I don’t go by UZR. Everything I’ve heard about Holliday’s defense, up to now, has been that it’s excellent. Mybe not earth shatteringly great, but high above average.

    SJ, believe me I know. I HATE UZR for the reasons you said, about Tex and Cano. I’m going by word of mouth and what anlysts say on MLB and, yes, ESPN (since this doesn’t involve the Yanks or Sox they should be smarter).

  180. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    M,

    You have to be on the roster by 9/1 in order to be eligible for post-season play.

    Barring setbacks, Gardner will be eligible for post-season play. They will put him on the roster in time, even if he’s not 100%. As long as they feel he will be 100% by the start of the post-season.

    Here’s the way I see the AL East…..

    When your team is 30 games over .500, and has a 6 game lead in the loss column with less than 50 games to play, what the teams behind you do is meaningless.

    The Yankees are in control of their own destiny. If they do their jobs, they are in and that’s all that matters.

  181. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    I’ve read up on Chapman. He’s a question mark too. I’ve seen some scouting reports that just love everything about him and some that say he’s just as much a question mark as other highly rated prospects.

  182. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 15th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    “To that, everybody owes a debt of gratitude to guys like CC, AJ and Swisher because the change in the clubhouse is the best thing to happen to the franchise in years”

    and Girardi ?

  183. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    SJ, I wasn’t aware of that that Jackson was named best bat in AAA. I forget that he’s only 21 years old, my word he’s a baby. So, I think he’ll stay in AAA for most of next year…..our OF would then be, say, Damon/Melky or Brett/Swish – I guess it can work if everyone hits like they are this year. That’s a big if.

    LOL not that I could if I wanted to (since I don’t know how they work), but I refuse to use UZS or whatever metric there is to measure a player’s worth. That to me is taking baseball to the realm of cold, hard statistics – making it more of a mathematical equation than a game. I have two eyes (four, if you count my glasses) and I can see very well what kind of defense Tex or Cano play. Tex has been the best 1B in NY since Mattingly and Cano is just tremendous. It’s sad when evaluation of players comes down to people geeking out in front of their computers.

  184. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Wait you take a chance on that arm b/c if you fix his mechanics you have a young Randy Johnson not even in his primes and it’d be for 8- 9 mil per yr. The league would hate us.

  185. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    He’s not “high above average” defensively. That’s the point.

    Mark Teixeira is an above average defender. Matt Holliday is not.

    Why Chapman over Holliday? Several reasons….

    1. You can always find OF’s. Find me another 21 year old pitcher that throws 95-100 and is LH.
    2. It will cost less money to sign Chapman than Holliday.
    3. Holliday is older than Chapman.
    4. The Yankees don’t need Matt Holliday. They don’t have a LH in their system that possesses what Chapman possesses.

  186. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    I disagree on Holliday’s defense SJ. Tex plays outstanding defense. Holliday plays well above average.

    However I conced your other points. I understand why you’d take the risk on Chapman over Holliday.

    Is it possible that the reason we’re not spending much is to save the money to use on Chapman?

  187. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    Basically, Chapman is like a redshirt college pitcher, given his age and time he has played.

    If a college redshirt soph was available to the Yankees with his potential, everybody would be frothing to get him.

    You take a kid like that, refine his mechanics, and you could have a gem.

    For a big market team like the Yankees, that’s a risk worth taking, IMO.

  188. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Conced is concede. Ah, you know what I mean.

  189. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    I guess word is spreading about the pies and the belts, lol…..guess that’s what happens when players talk to each other during games.

    The Yanks will have a lot of flexibility in the offseason, but he FA class isn’t very good, so they may have $$$ to spend and no one to spend it on. I do not think Bay and Holliday are options – nevermind that I wouldn’t do it, I don’t think Cash wants to head in that direction either.

  190. Corey August 15th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    While I like the prospect of what Chapman can offer…..I dont think hes going to be much cheaper than Holliday. We saw what happened with Dice-K. Kei Igawa got what, 45 mill out of the Yankees? Chapman is sure to get double that

  191. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    The Yankees know if they want Chapman, which they seem like they do, they know once he is purchased they have to keep him in the minors, fix him and bring him up. That’s the risk you take w/ him. He might pan out he might not but 8 or 9 mil per season for a LHP that can throw up to 102 mph effortlessly and has a change up 30-35 mph of difference from his fastball add a slider, if that arm becomes something you realize you’d have a 20+ million dollar SP for 50% off? That’s if he does, the worst that happens is he becomes Igawa.

  192. m August 15th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    SJ,

    Thanks for that. I figured they would squeeze him on somehow even if he wasn’t ready.

  193. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    “4. The Yankees don’t need Matt Holliday. They don’t have a LH in their system that possesses what Chapman possesses.”

    Number 4 saids it all.

  194. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    What does he do that’s “well above average”?

    He has an average throwing arm and average range in LF.

    There is nothing “well above average” to his defensive game.

    Torii Hunter is a “well above average” OF.

    Ichiro is a “well above average” OF.

    Matt Holliday is not. He’s just a guy defensively.

    His strength is his bat. He’s not getting Gold Glove votes which, well above average defenders get.

  195. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    The FA market isn’t the only way to add an outfielder. Cashman could also trade for an outfielder that none of us saw coming.

  196. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 15th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    We need Gardner tearing up the basepaths in front of the October bunting, racing through the crisp autumn air.

  197. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Three years ago, there wasn’t a recession and 80% of the teams in MLB weren’t down 6-15% in revenues as they are this year.

    That takes a lot of teams out of the mix for free agents and defectors.

    The economy has had a big impact on the game this year and it will have a bigger impact in the off-season.

    You are not going to see a lot of wild spending from anybody.

    That’s why it wouldn’t shock me to see guys like Damon, Holliday and Bay remain with their current teams.

    Chapman? If the Yankees want him, which we don’t know is the case at the present time, money won’t stand in the way of getting him. They will pay what it takes to get him if they decide to go, “all in” with him.

    We are a long way away from that at the present time. He’s not even cleared yet, from an residency standpoint, and may not be for another 6 months.

  198. miggs August 15th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    On the other hand, I don’t see any possible scenario where Matsui returns in 2010.

    That 9 game inter-league series really showed me something about the opinion of the team regarding Matsui’s health.

    He’s a big stick and they could have used him in those NLparks.But the risk of him blowing a kneee wasso large trhey couldn’t even start him out there one game.Shoot,he didn’tplay one INNING in the OF

  199. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    SJ couldn’t you see it now…I mean fans are saying they don’t want him, but here’s scenerio #2

    Yankees don’t sign Chapman. They go after Holliday in this league he won’t sniff a GG. So the bat is going to have to be extremely good. In the Yankees not taking Chapman the Red Sox land him, put him in the minors, somewhere mid-season 2010 they unveil the Cubano 100 mph NESN is touting him the next big thing.

    Beckett
    Lester
    Chapman
    Bucholz
    Wakefield

    This I do not want.

  200. 86w183 August 15th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    I’m in between the two camps on Holliday. I think he is an excellent, but not great player. I’d like to have him, but not at the $ 18+ Million plus a year he’s bound to command.

    I’m convinced Damon will be back, probably at $ 8 Million a year for two years with some incentives. He’s likely to remain a very productive offensive player for at least two more seasons and probably more, especially with the DH slot available a couple of times a week.

    I have a feeling we’ll see Damon and Swisher sharing LF/DH, Gardner and AJax in CF with Melky the primary RF. Those who think Swisher “isn’t all that bad” in RF need to raise the bar of defensive expectations.

    Much and all as I think the money being talked about for Chapman is ridiculous I would spend $ 40 M on him before I’d give Holliday a contract worth more than $ 100 M.

  201. RhapsodyInBlue August 15th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Will be interesting to see what the Yankees do in regards to Johnny and Hideki in the off season. Both still able to deliver at the plate but with diminished skills in the field.

    Both liked by the fans and their teammates alike. Will be a tough call no doubt. If Matsui wants to extend his career in the states, there would more than one AL team interested in his DH capabilities. I can see Johnny returning to the Bronx, not sure about Godzilla.

  202. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    “The FA market isn’t the only way to add an outfielder. Cashman could also trade for an outfielder that none of us saw coming.”

    I keep thinking this kid…IDK why but Lastings Milledge.

  203. miggs August 15th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    wow my computer just froze and sent that post when I was mid sentence.

    That last part somehow got all garbled too.

    Anyway, my point is the team will miss Matsui’s bat, not his knees.

    Having a player that can’t play the field drastically limits your flexibility.

    If they bring back Damon,he can play LF a few days a week when Jorge, ARod, Jeter, need a DH day. But he won’t be killing the team with his defense everyday, and a few days a week will hide a lot of his flaws.

  204. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Definitely wouldn’t want to see the Red Sox get Chapman.

    Its all a risk but, arms like his don’t come around everyday.

    Sometimes, you have to take the risk if its deemed worthwhile.

    Hard for me to imagine a team not taking a risk with Chapman.

    Unless red flags come up we aren’t aware of at this time (personality, injury, age differences, etc), he is going to be the guy I believe the Yankees spend the money on in the off-season.

    They can take some out of the 2010 draft budget and slide it over to him. He’s that good.

  205. Wait till we visit the Sardine Can August 15th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Gold glove votes mean next to nothing.

    Didn’t Tino miss out on the gold glove voting to Rafael Palmiero, who played ten games at first?

  206. RhapsodyInBlue August 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    I also think the Yankees will need to offer Damon at least 10 mil for one year to compete with the multi year offers from Johnny will get from other clubs.

    I do believe Johnny would prefer to stay in the Bronx but not for 6-8 mil.. Just my opinion.

  207. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    “They can take some out of the 2010 draft budget and slide it over to him. He’s that good.”

    SJ, I don’t think anyone in the 2010 draft is going to be on his level. I agree one thing I don’t want to see is Boston landing him.

  208. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Brandon…I’M AWESOME!… Mitre: “I’m not an ace”
    August 15th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
    “The FA market isn’t the only way to add an outfielder. Cashman could also trade for an outfielder that none of us saw coming.”

    I keep thinking this kid…IDK why but Lastings Milledge.

    ————————————————

    That idea does’t excite me at all. Set the bar higher than him. The yankees have enough good prospects to go after better than him.

  209. SJ44 August 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Damon has played a much better LF in the last 6 weeks.

    He’s never going to win a Gold Glove out there. However, he’s been much better lately.

    I’ve noticed he’s going back on the ball much better than he did earlier in the year. His legs must be feeling much better because he’s getting better jumps on the ball and making catches he wouldn’t have made earlier in the season.

  210. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Mark Newman already admitted that the Yankees would be quite interested in Chapman……..usually if they want someone, they get him (unless that player just does not want to play in NY). I guess it depends on how much $$$ Hal is willing to pony up…….it sounds like he would have been willing to let Halladay go to the Sox (had it come to that) beacause he was not interested in taking on more salary. The Sox have a ton of $$$ to play with as well and owners who are still stinging from the Tex non-signing.

  211. 86w183 August 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Actually it was 28 games at 1B in 1999 when Palmeiro won his third Gold Glove. Amazingly enough, he wasn’t errorless that season.

    It remains the largest single travesty in the history of baseball voting. The only thing worse was when Eric Crouch of Nebraska won the Heisman Trophy.

  212. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    “That idea does’t excite me at all. Set the bar higher than him. The yankees have enough good prospects to go after better than him.”

    He’s young, can run, can hit, can field, is cheap, has a high ceiling, the only legit problem is his positioning. Explained well by Harold Reynolds.

    http://www.mlb.com/media/video.....id=4084819

  213. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    I thought it was the AS game that Palmeiro was voted to even though he was mostly a DH.

  214. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Betsy I’m willing to bet the Cards will keep Holliday.

  215. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Brandon…I’M AWESOME!… Mitre: “I’m not an ace”
    August 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
    “That idea does’t excite me at all. Set the bar higher than him. The yankees have enough good prospects to go after better than him.”

    He’s young, can run, can hit, can field, is cheap, has a high ceiling, the only legit problem is his positioning. Explained well by Harold Reynolds.

    http://www.mlb.com/media/video…..id=4084819

    ———————————————–

    Why does he keep getting traded?

  216. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    “Why does he keep getting traded?”

    It’ got to be an attitude problem. IDK, the Mets basically hated him but they’re Los Mets and Waggles isn’t exactly a mark for his team support. The Nats suck when it comes to coaching positioning just look how Gonzo dropped off. IDK really.

  217. Patrick August 15th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    From everything I’ve read, seen and heard about Holliday it seems like he’s an above average fielder. Not going to win a gold glove but he’s not mediocre. He’s slightly above average.

    Matt Holliday defensively is basically Nick Swisher without the crazy mistakes. Good range, okay arm.

    Great bat, good defender, I still don’t want the Yanks to sign him. Go with Damon for a 1 to 3 year deal and if he breaks down Jackson will be ready to fill in.

  218. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    I’m just wondering how hard is it to tell a player take 8 steps back, I mean our coaching staff would point him out and wave him back if that happens, so what happened w/ Los Mets and Nats.. I keep wondering that.

  219. Patrick August 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Milledge is a bust, I don’t want that guy on the Yanks. He can’t handle new york and he’s incredibly overrated.

  220. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Brandon…I’M AWESOME!… Mitre: “I’m not an ace”
    August 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
    “Why does he keep getting traded?”

    It’ got to be an attitude problem. IDK, the Mets basically hated him but they’re Los Mets and Waggles isn’t exactly a mark for his team support. The Nats suck when it comes to coaching positioning just look how Gonzo dropped off. IDK really.

    —————————————–

    That being said, would you like to bring a player with an attitude problem onto this team?

  221. steve August 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    guaranteed if they bring anyone back, its matsui. he makes the team way more money bc of the japanese market.

  222. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    “keep thinking this kid…IDK why but Lastings Milledge”

    he looked like a complete ‘cant miss’ prospect. Yes, it is difficult to sleep on him.

    it is funny, Melky actually turned out to be the better player. Who would’ve expected…?

  223. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 15th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    miggs, I think the odds are strong that you’re correct about Matsui and that he won’t be back, but I do think he’s been both running and playing better lately, much more so than he was during interleague play. Maybe it’s just taken this long to build up more strength in his knees?

    At this point I doubt we’ll see him play a single inning in the field this season since there is no need for it. But given how he’s looked lately, I wonder if he could start a game or so in LF these days.

  224. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    “That being said, would you like to bring a player with an attitude problem onto this team?”

    Is it correctible then yes. But IDK if it is, or if it even exists.

    “Milledge is a bust, I don’t want that guy on the Yanks. He can’t handle new york and he’s incredibly overrated.”

    He can’t handle NY? how so?

  225. Patrick August 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Milledge doesn’t have a major league bat, he is a bad fielder and he’s not even a stolen base threat. To top it all off he has a bad attitude. Not someone I want on the Yankees

  226. RhapsodyInBlue August 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Although Johnny has slipped defensively, he obviously has no fear of walls. One other thing I admire Johnny for is that he gives a great deal of time to the vets and the Wounded Warrior Project.

  227. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    “he looked like a complete ‘cant miss’ prospect. Yes, it is difficult to sleep on him.”

    I know.

    “it is funny, Melky actually turned out to be the better player. Who would’ve expected…?”

    IKR. Not me.

  228. Patrick August 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    “He can’t handle NY? how so?”

    He pissed off everyone in the clubhouse, the veterans hated him on the Mets. He also sucked in New York but then again he’s sucked everywhere he’s played in the majors.

  229. m August 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    lol. Holliday loves the National League. Loves it. I think he stays there.

    I would hold out for Carl Crawford. If it doesn’t come to pass, then we’ll cross that bridge later.

    As for Jackson, he has a ton of potential. But I’m not making any plans that have him in CF Opening Day 2010.

  230. Dutch Hugo August 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    If Johnny can get to 3,000 hits, he’s in… not out of the realm of possibility.

  231. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    “Milledge doesn’t have a major league bat, he is a bad fielder and he’s not even a stolen base threat. To top it all off he has a bad attitude. Not someone I want on the Yankees”

    he does have a ML bat, he can steal bases, sometimes at will, IDK about the attitude, heck NY media said Robi Cano had a bad attitude for all of last yr. now look at him. Again we don’t know the story on Lastings, he has a strict father, I think he’s in the military or something, but IDK why he keeps getting traded.

  232. miggs August 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    I really don’t see the obsession with the Sox and the hand-wringing associated with them.

    When I look at the Yankees and the Sox objectively, I see a far superior team residing in the Bronx.

    I’m not saying the Sox won’t make the playoffs. I’m also not saying the Sox can’t beat us in a 7 game series.

    But the bottom line is even with the addition of Victor Martinez, their offense isn’t nearly as menacing as it has been the past few years. Imagine if they hadn’t gotten Martinez?

    Bay, Pedroia, Lowell, even Youkilis are all products of that crappy park they play in. There isn’t that fear associated with their offense anymore.

    Everyone wants to tout Lester and Beckett as such a menacing 1-2 punch. How about CC and AJ? I mean, its laughable how some of you have turned into pre 2004 Sox fans.

    How about our 3-4 starters vs. theirs in a 7 game series? Joba/Pettite vs. Penny/Buccholtz? Maybe slide in Wakefield if he’s healthy. Its just not that close.

    And they’re getting older and have numerous players in decline signed through 2010 (Ortiz, Lowell, Dice K, Drew) combined with a weak FA class.

    Yankees are on their way up, the Sox are on their way down.

    30 games over .500 people with a 6.5 game lead in mid-August. Enjoy it and spot fretting about the Sox.

  233. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    “He pissed off everyone in the clubhouse, the veterans hated him on the Mets. He also sucked in New York but then again he’s sucked everywhere he’s played in the majors.”

    From my understanding, he had a pink paper slip on his locker stating “Know your place rook” IDK what he did, just like you don’t, I can’t judge a player when IDK what happened. Alex Rios in Toronto was called a cancer yet everying wanted him here. IDK what Lastings did to get on the wrong side again it’s all speculation right now.

  234. miggs August 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    *stop

  235. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    everyone*

  236. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    miggs

    I totally agree. Theo has some major work to do in the off season to fix this team. The real problem is their farm isn’t as stacked as some would like you to believe.

  237. miggs August 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    MaineYankee I didn’t even mention the farm.

    They have some good pieces, but no one is close (especially a bat) to helping the major league team.

    The Red Sox PR machine is going to implode when their team averages 87 wins a year for the next 3-4 years.

  238. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Brandon

    You get to caught up in names. You seem to willing to overlook flaws. Just remember names lkie Randy Johnson and Kevin Brown. Names that didn’t work out to well.

  239. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    It’s very possible to respect the Red Sox, even worry about them, without being whiny, pre-2004 fan. I personally think Beckett and Lester are better than CC and AJ, for one, and I don’t think it’s that close.

  240. vinny-b (thankful to have Girardi in charge) August 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    “From my understanding, he had a pink paper slip on his locker stating “Know your place rook” IDK what he did, just like you don’t, I can’t judge a player when IDK what happened. Alex Rios in Toronto was called a cancer yet everying wanted him here. IDK what Lastings did to get on the wrong side again it’s all speculation right now”

    it is everythin to do with him high-fiving the crowd (which i thought was kewl as helll )

    like you said, who really knows? Far as the Mets veterans are concerned, they have zero credibility with me

  241. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    miggs
    August 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    MaineYankee I didn’t even mention the farm.

    They have some good pieces, but no one is close (especially a bat) to helping the major league team.

    The Red Sox PR machine is going to implode when their team averages 87 wins a year for the next 3-4 years.

    ————————————————

    It took the sweep last weekend for the media to start giving the Yankees their due as to how good they are. It became to obvious after that.

  242. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Lastings Milledge… Brandon, maybe you need stronger coffee. :)

  243. miggs August 15th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Honestly Milledge isn’t good enough to even consider having to deal with all the other nonsense associated with signing him.

    Simply, he’s not worth the hassle.

  244. Trevor August 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    “I personally think Beckett and Lester are better than CC and AJ, for one, and I don’t think it’s that close”

    :|

  245. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Mitre: "I'm not an ace" August 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    “You get to caught up in names. You seem to willing to overlook flaws. Just remember names lkie Randy Johnson and Kevin Brown. Names that didn’t work out to well.”

    Eh.. all I did was defend a kid that keeps getting called out in situations that no one knows anything about. What’s wrong w/ that? How is that getting caught up in names, getting caught up in names is more like saying we need Matt Holliday or Valadamir Guerrero.

  246. ben g August 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Your wild crazy if you think that Beckett and Lester are on a completely different level then AJ and CC

  247. miggs August 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Oh give it up Betsy.

    You wonder why people complain about your posts.

    Your team is 30 games over .500 in mid-August with a 6.5 game lead.

    Most of what you post is criticizing everything that’s not perfect about the Yankees. You have no confidence in the back end of the rotation. The outfield doesn’t hit enough. The bullpen is overworked.

    Then you sit there and fret about the Sox. “They’re not out of the race.” and “That Beckett/Lester combo really makes me nervous, we can’t match up with that”.

    If that doesn’t sound like a pre-2004 Sox fan I don’tknow what one sounds like.

  248. Pat M. August 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    I think one of the issues that the Organization will be faced with besides Damon, will be the rotation…..I believe that the Yanks will be moving forward without Wang in their plans…..With that in mind, will they entertain the notion of Doc Halladay or resign Andy Pettite for one more season…..Any club with interest in Doc will have the chance to work out a deal on a new contract……CC,AJ, Joba, Hughes & Pettite ??? Lackey is a free agent, but this is a thin pool….Chone Figgins will be emancipated as well…

  249. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Why? Because it’s anathema to say anything nice about the Red Sox?

    Beckett and CC are a wash, but in the post-season, Beckett has the edge over every pitcher…….not just CC.

  250. hey kelvin says August 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    I’m not saying the Red Sox are out of contention, but seriously the Yankees got a nice youth movement behind all the veterans.

    I agree with Miggs, we will see a decline from boston and an uprise from the Yankees.

  251. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Ok, if you want to be a homer, Miggs…….go right ahead. The people that complain about my posts – well I don’t give a fig about them. If they don’t like them, they can skip them.

    The idea that it is beyond possible that Beckett and Lester aren’t better than CC and AJ is laughable…….the fact that you don’t even consider it makes you sound like an arrogant Yankee fan.

  252. w/e August 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    as a fan of random odd juxtaposition, I appreciated this:

    *stop everyone*

  253. Trevor August 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Well we’re just going to have to wait and see what CC does in October.
    I believe his bad post-seasons are a product of being overworked in September. We’ll see.

  254. m August 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    I’m all for rehab projects and change of scenery players, but there’s a short list of players who should never step foot in the Yankee clubhouse:

    -Dukes
    -Sheffield
    -Bradley

    Anger issues for these 3.

    Don’t know much about Lastings, but his reputation precedes him and there’s other options available.

  255. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Pat M

    My guess is Pettite.

    Just a guess, but do you think the Yankees want to slow down on the spending some to keep the small market teams from calling for a salary cap?

  256. mike August 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Maybe not better than Beckett or Lester… but I don’t think our offense can hit Beckett or Lester in a big game. I think the Sox offense has a better chance to scratch across runs on CC/AJ than we do Beckett/Lester.

  257. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Seriously – do optimistic people also have to be intolerant? Not everyone sees everything with Yankee colored glasses and it doesn’t make them worse fans.

    There was every reason to wonder about Andy before his recent hot streak…..but of course, if you express any doubt about how great every Yankee is, you’re a bad fan.

    Explain to me objectively why Lester and Beckett aren’t better than CC and AJ. I will give you CC and Beckett as a wash in the regular season, though Beckett has been brilliant for most of othe year. AJ is my favorite player on the team (outside of Mo)……..I have zero reason to be critical of him. I’m not even being critical – what is the problem with giving just praise to players on other team?

  258. hey kelvin says August 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Also You gotta be realistic, Both CC & AJ’s post-season track numbers are misleading.

    There pitching behind a REAL offense now, they aren’t pitching behind the Josh barfields, Jason Michaels and Trot Nixon anymore.

    They have Mark, Jeter, Damon, Matsui and yes A-rod.

    But if you just wanted to make a nice comment I agree with ya :p

  259. ... August 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Betsy, you’re being paranoid. Relax. The team’s doing well. Enjoy it. Obsessive fretting isn’t good for a person’s health.

  260. Harper August 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Betsy -

    If you don’t say “Yankees are going to win the WS, Sux are not going to make the playoffs and have no chance against us”, people insult you. Just the way it is.

  261. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    LOL I see that respecting another team is called paranoid obsession.

    Heaven forbid someoner have a different opinion than the majority. I still haven’t seen any explanation for how CC and AJ are sooooo far ahead of Beckett and Lester…..except for the fact they wear pinstripes.

  262. miggs August 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Betsy you’re calling me a homer?

    Basically the nicest way I can this is that you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.

    Beckett and CC are a wash in the regular season but not the post season? Beckett has an edge over every other pitcher? What do you base this nonsense on?

    The playoffs are such a small sample size. You can’t spout garbage like that and expect me not to respond.

    When did I ever say Beckett/Lester weren’t better than CC/AJ? Go back and read the freaking post. Get your facts straight.

    Even if they are, so what? The Sox are fighting to make the playoffs and the yankees are the best team in baseball. Watch the games! Look at it with your own eyes.

    Just don’t ever call me a homer or question my baseball knowledge, especially when you prove consistently that you have no clue.

  263. hey kelvin says August 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    It’s fine to give praises, I’m not trying to criticize you.

    Just saying Becket and AJ match up pretty nicely, and CC and Lester can match up as well.

    I don’t see a clear cut advantage to the Red Sox, it’s pretty equal only thing I see different is that CC is a workhouse compared to all other 3 pitchers, he has more innings than all of’em.

    Sorry though not trying to get anything started

  264. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Harper, unfortunately that’s the way it seems like……..it’s a shame. There is little to no tolerance anymore; you can’t even show respect to another team without people jumping down your throat.

  265. ben g August 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Sounding like Skip Bayless is in here now, LOL

  266. Jacob August 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Beckett’s ERA is a 1\2 run lower than CC’s this regular season.

  267. ... August 15th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Betsy, you’re going beyond respecting them (which is perfectly fine). You’ve crossed over to flat out fearing them.

  268. Razor Blade August 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Betsy – Don’t let them get to you.

    If we get eliminated by Beckett/Lester this October, these same posters killing you know for being objective will be running CC/AJ out of town and killing Cashman for signing them and be lobbying to sign John Lackey.

  269. Kev August 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    We could just as easily lose to Edwin Jackson and Justin Verlander and be on the opposite ends of 2-1, 1-0 games.

    We’re the best team in the AL, but we’re not THAT much better than other teams, especially in a short series. We can beat anyone, anyone can beat us. This isin’t the NBA where the #1 seed who wins 65 games gets to win a 40 win team with far inferior talent.

  270. ben g August 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    It’s not about us getting to her, Everyone has their own opinion that’s all.

    I don’t think CC and AJ are “light years” ahead of Beckett and Lester as you tried to make it seem, but I do think we have a slight advantage at this point.

    calling miggs a homer wasn’t cool, It’s a blog everyone just post away and has their voice heard. Were not trying to “get to you”.

  271. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    All you do is whine about my posts….instead of ignoring them, Miggs. What does that say about you?

    I really have no clue what you’re talking about and you’re not making any sense. I made one comment about Beckett and Lester having the edge over AJ and CC and you freaked out.

    We’re not going to agree. I never said that CC was going to bomb in the playoffs….in case that is what you’re implying. I think Beckett has a pretty brilliant track record, though – so yes, he has an edge on most of the SP he’d be facing.

    I am not interested in fighting with you. This discussion such as it was is over as far as I’m concerned……..too bad because we might have had a decent discussion regarding the relative merits of the 4 pitchers.

  272. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Ben G, really? Everyone has their own opinion ? Thanks for telling me that, but I expressed my own opinion and got attacked for it.

  273. Pat M. August 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Maine Yankee..That’s a good point about the salary cap issue….I don’t see the Union going for it any time soon…..However if the Yanks are allocating money for Chapman, they may very well be abit conservative this off season……That’s why I see them going with Pettite in 2011….

  274. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Ben, I’m sorry to snap at you, but the idea that everyone is entitled to their opinion on this blog is something that is an ideal, not a fact. I don’t care if people don’t agree with me, but freaking out over my posts and then insulting me is over the top.

  275. Eric August 15th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    I don’t see how saying Beckett/Lester are better than CC/AJ warrants the insults that Betsy is getting.

    If you base it on numbers this year, she is right.
    Why are people so outraged about something that is true?

  276. 100 wins? August 15th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    when it comes to beckett and lester vs. CC and AJ… the talent level is overwhelmingly in the Yankees favor… maybe a lot of people would take beckett and lester in a playoffs series simply because they have had some playoff success in the past… but in this world today, in this season… i’m taking our guys in a heartbeat… they are better for our team in our situation and i really think they’ll step up in the postseason… they have the skills and it looks like they have the determintaion this year… it’s the Yankees season bottom line

  277. 100 wins? August 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    also why would u base anything just off numbers…. sometimes that is appropriate but not in this case… trust me while beckett and Lester have good stuff, they cannot match the type of electric stuff that CC and AJ have when they are on their game

  278. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Eric, if I were being insulting or obnoxious, I could understand. This is supposed to be a blog for discussion, but if you have another opinion….well, it really isn’t. The fact that some people don’t like me is their problem – I’m not out to please everyone by sticking to the company line.

    AJ is my favorite Yankee next to Mo – if Damon is Erica’s pretend boyfriend, AJ would be mine. That said, I can be objective here. I have no idea how he’ll do in the post-season as he’s never pitched there. I think he’s been very good for us this year, but he’s also breen a different pitcher than I expected. I’ll leave it at that. Lester is just terrific……..and is someone going to argue with that?

  279. Dave L. August 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    I wonder what the list of players with those credentials looks like if you take away the triples. You can cherry pick levels and get any kind of comparison you want.

  280. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Pat M.
    August 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
    Maine Yankee..That’s a good point about the salary cap issue….I don’t see the Union going for it any time soon…..However if the Yanks are allocating money for Chapman, they may very well be abit conservative this off season……That’s why I see them going with Pettite in 2011….

    —————————————————–

    I started thinking about that during the trade deadline. They could possibly have had the money to get Halliday but on top of the off season signings it would have been quite excessive. The money spent has been a topic all season.

  281. Pat M. August 15th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    I don’t understand the flack Betsy is recieving over the Beckett / Lester comments…She Right about them being a feared 2 headed monster…..The good news is the Yanks only get to see them in a 7 games series, and not a 5 gamer…..I pity the club that has to face them in a best of 5……

  282. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Pat M, I get the flack…..it’s become personal for some people and, for most, they don’t want to hear anything good about the Red Sox.

  283. Pat M. August 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Betsy, You’ve been a respected poster here for several season, let it slide……

  284. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    That’s all I can do, Pat M……I think we could have had a good discussion, which is the pity, but oh well…….moving on.

  285. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 15th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    If a team faces Beckett/Lester in a 5 games series, the first two of those games will not be in Boston… and there’s a decent chance the Sox wouldn’t be able to line up their rotation anyway, it could be Penny or Buccholz starting one of those first games.

  286. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Betsy

    I agree Beckett and Lester are very good.

    I also think that on any given day CC and AJ can go toe to toe with them.

    Last weekend is a good example.

  287. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 15th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Pat M, if you go to my flickr page, you can take that screen name and add @yahoo.com to it to contact me.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/92472245@N00/

  288. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Maine, I think it’s kind of sad that people assumed I was killing CC and AJ. What can I say? I think CC has been a better pitcher in his career than Beckett…..but I know what Beckett can do in the post-season. If CC’s arm is rested enough before the post-season, I’m sure he’ll be fine. I know what he did last year in Milwaukee and it was one of the most remarkable things ever in baseball. AJ to me is the wild card……

  289. Mark August 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    For all the talk of resting Joba’s innings… it may be wise to do the same for CC and even Andy.

    Once the roster expand, he shouldn’t be going more than 6 innings max unless the bullpen is taxed or it is a close game against a team like Boston or LA and he is cruising.

    If we’re playing Toronto and he has a 5-1 lead after 6, no reason to let him continue even if he has a reasonable pitch count.

  290. MaineYankee August 15th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Betsy

    You worry a bit to much for some and I think that is the rub.

    I understand it to a point because I’m married to a worrier. :lol:

  291. hey kelvin says August 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    I think AJ will perform well, he’s become my favorite Yankee besides Jeter.

    AJ is just awesome to me.

  292. Betsy August 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Maine, lol………I won’t dispute that. In this particular case, though, I’m not posting my opinions out of worry. I honestly feel that way…..

  293. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing August 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Betsy, You’ve been a respected poster here for several season, let it slide……

    ***********************************************************

    Is that saying those who disagree with her aren’t respected posters?

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