Game 119: Yankees at Athletics (with draft signing updates)
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YANKEES (74-44)
Jeter DH
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Pena SS
Pitching: RHP AJ Burnett (10-5, 3.71).
ATHLETICS (52-65)
Kennedy 3B
Davis CF
Suzuki C
Hairston LF
Sweeney RF
Ellis 2B
Cust DH
Crosby 1B
Pennington SS
Pitching: RHP Brett Tomko (1-2, 5.23).
TIME/TV: 10:05 p.m. YES.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees had their five-game win streak snapped yesterday. They have won 12 of their last 14.
STRAIGHT A’S: The Yankees are 5-1 against Oakland this season and 10-2 over the last two seasons.
CANO STREAKS ON: Robbie Cano has hit safely in 14 straight games at 25 of 58. He has nine extra-base hits in the streak. His average has gone from .305 to .321.
BURNETT BURNING: A.J. Burnett is 6-2, 2.50 in his last 11 starts. He is 2-2, 4.14 in six career starts against Oakland.
WILD THING: Burnett has thrown 17 wild pitches. The team record is 23 by Tim Leary in 1990.
RELIEVERS ON A ROLL: Brian Bruney has thrown five scoreless innings in his last four appearances and Dave Robertson six scoreless innings in his last seven games.
AUGUST AND EVERYTHING AFTER: The Yankees are 12-3 this month.
THE DISH ON SWISH: Former Athletic Nick Swisher has 20 homers. Seventeen have come on the road and 13 have come against right-handers. So Brett Tomko is in trouble.
FOLLOW THE LEADER: Derek Jeter is 8 of 16 on the trip with five RBI and three extra-base hits. He is up to .323.
GRAND OLD TIME: Jerry Hairston Jr.’s next game will be the 1,000th of his career.
OUT OF THE CIRCLE OF TRUST? Alfredo Aceves’ last nine appearances: 15.2 15 12 12 4 11 and two home runs.
ON THE iPOD RIGHT NOW: Brandy (You’re A Fine Girl) by Looking Glass. No, not my proudest admission.
Back with more later.
UPDATE ON DRAFT SIGNINGS: 6:28 p.m.: The Yankees have agreed to terms with 16th round pick Bryan Mitchell ($800,000) according to Baseball America. I’ve also been told they have come to an agreement with 21st round pick Joe Talerico of New Jersey.
UPDATE, 7:32 p.m.: Matsui is out for today and questionable for tomorrow. … Chad Gaudin remains in the rotation for Wednesday. … Birthday boy Jorge Posada reported that Derek Jeter picked up lunch and their Starbucks order.
UPDATE, 10:07 p.m.: We are underway in Oakland. 57 degrees, not a cloud in the sky. Thanks for staying up and enjoy the game.
UPDATE, 10:33 p.m.: A.J. has the curve biting tonight. Unless he loses his command — which is always a possibility with him — the Oakland hitters could be in for a long night.
UPDATE, 10:41 p.m.: Great catch by Johnny. Haven’t written that too often.
UPDATE, 10:48 p.m.: Damon has hit two balls off Tomko that would have been homers at the Stadium. Easy.
UPDATE, 10:50 p.m.: Loaded up for Alex, who crushes Tomko, 4-0 soon?
UPDATE, 10:50 p.m.: Or the 1-2-3 DP. How bad is that?
UPDATE, 11:01 p.m.: I want to be careful how I word this because its important to be accurate in my line of work. So here goes:
It’s an absolute disgrace the Yankees have not scored off Brett Tomko in four innings. A travesty.
UPDATE, 11:13 p.m.: 2-0 Oakland as A.J. is falling apart. Three hits and a balk so far this inning.
UPDATE, 11:14 p.m.: Make that 3-0 as Ellis doubles.
Oakland has a lineup featuring Scott Hairston at cleanup and Brett Tomko on the mound and it’s 3-0 in the fourth inning. Brutal.
UPDATE, 11:21 p.m.: That rest really seems to have helped Melky. Two weak outs, now 6 for 50.
UPDATE, 11:27 p.m.: Brett Tomko takes the shutout into the sixth inning. 5 5 0 0 1 1. The Yankees should be ashamed of themselves.
UPDATE, 11:33 p.m.: What a break for the Yankees, Brett Tomko is out. He was at 78 pitches.
UPDATE, 11:59 a.m.: Need to write my newspaper story. Enjoy the rest of this thrilling game. What a disaster.
Looking for a fairly dominant performance tonight from AJ.
He’s due for a shutdown start.
Here’s who is in “Guess the Line Up” so far. Submissions until 6:30. LAST CALL!!! I will be leaving work at 6:30 after the submission window closes. If the line up is not yet posted when I leave, I will formally award the winner around 8 tonight
Henner
Joe
IDCWYT, YanksFan, RalphieD
NYY626
DTX99
Gabe
Fran, UnKnown, The Fair Pole
Laura, SevenCostanza
L to the 2nd, Andrew
Andrew33
Bronx Jeers, Miggs, Mike, Hensley Muellens
Ramey
Zed
Saucy
Jon Locke, Ed H, Tyler
Nick in SF in Larkspur
Nick when are you meeting the other Lohudders under the Bando Banner?
raymagnetic,
Oh. I didn’t mean to make it sound like Jeter’s overrated. I really meant that he has the reputation of being overrated (he’s been called the most overrated for a long time), and some statistics (especially last season when he was getting roasted by everyone-but not by me) might lend credence to the notion.
I’m an intangible hugger and I love Derek Jeter! Just meant that there’s more to Derek Jeter than what the stats say.
Can Swisher just wear the road grays for all his games from now on, even the home ones? Maybe that will get his home/road splits to even out just a little bit.
Comment.
“OUT OF THE CIRCLE OF TRUST? Alfredo Aceves’ last nine appearances: 15.2 15 12 12 4 11 and two home runs.”
Not been the same since his initial shoulder soreness a couple weeks ago
ON THE iPOD RIGHT NOW: Brandy (You’re A Fine Girl) by Looking Glass. No, not my proudest admission.
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My iPod is playing “Let It Bleed” by the Stones, but yet Brandy (You’re a Fine Girl) is now very stuck in my head. Thanks Pete!
AJ’s #s against the A’s aren’t so great……..but now might be a good time for a dominant start. He makes it very hard on himself with his WP ……hopefully that won’t be the case tonight. There’s a ton of foul territory behind home plate and it could be an adventure back there for Jorge. I would love to see the Yanks kill Tomko and have a rocking chair gamel, but I think he’ll pitch well
We signed Bryan Mitchell for 800k but Lyons and Meade were asking for only 500k???
Scouting reports plz
Lineup picks against old nemesis Tomko:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Texeira 1B
A-Rod 3B
Posada C
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Hinske DH
Cabrera CF
AJ’s due for some run support. Andy, too.
michelle b. looking for my Cashmonese Dictionary-Hooked on Cashmonese Worked for me August 17th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Snake August 17th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Atleast LandShark Stadium is near South Beach.
Oakland is a depressing city.. San Fran is beautiful, Oakland not so much.
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Hey now, watch what you say about my home!!! Oakland is actually a very beautiful city, lake merritt, montclair, rockridge are all great great places to be in oakland. Of course there are terrible things about oakland, but to be fair, San Fran has some pretty ugly places and some very nasty crime riddled, drug infested areas too.
I am an Yankee fan, but since i also love baseball,i’m a season ticket holder for the A’s. I do agree the stadium is a dump, but at least the A’s make it affordable to see a game. The giants charge 12 dollars for standing room only and 18 during premium games., Their bleachers are between 18 and 35 a game. Who can afford that??
{stepping off my soapbox}
Who’s going to the game tonight?? ANyone wanna meet for a beer, im going to get there around 5:30ish. email: point6seconds@gmail.com
I don’t care who is in the line up. I would just like them to score like 10 runs in the first so I can go to sleep early!!
Whether we win a shootout or a close game… just win tonight.
hairston has a chance to be the kind of veteran role player the yankees used to pick up.
he does a lot of things and being on a yankee world championship team would be a nice finishing touch to the latter stages of his career. he seems motivated and into whatever position they have him play.
nice addition.
Uncle Ellsworth: my appearance fee is still being negotiated. I’m holding out for over-slot money.
ON THE iPOD RIGHT NOW: Brandy (You’re A Fine Girl) by Looking Glass. No, not my proudest admission
ALL TIME great song.
“my life my love and my lady is the sea”
They clearly liked Mitchell more than Lyons or meade.
The signing bonuses pretty much say it all.
The submission window for “Guess the Line Up” is now closed. Thank you to all who participated. If the real line up is not announced before I leave, I will annouce the winner around 8 tonight
Erica – always OPPC
August 17th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
I don’t care who is in the line up. I would just like them to score like 10 runs in the first so I can go to sleep early!!
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No joke! that was the only truly bad part about yesterday’s game – I could actually watch the whole thing!
Brandy (You’re A Fine Girl) is a great song!
New win streak starts tonight
“nice addition.”
… by Brian Cashman.
Come on Randy! You can finish the clause. You’ve got it in you!
I really don’t know how you can call the oakland park wretched. It is one of my favorite parks.
Erica, just replied to your e-mail………
You people are so naive. Have you ever heard of a little thing called misdirection?
Pete copped to “Brandy” on the ipod to distract from the Counting Crows reference elsewhere in the post.
At least it wasn’t Hootie.
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 17th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
You people are so naive. Have you ever heard of a little thing called misdirection?
Pete copped to “Brandy” on the ipod to distract from the Counting Crows reference elsewhere in the post.
At least it wasn’t Hootie.
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Don’t make fun of Hootie!!!! 1995 was a really good year for them!
Oh dear, Hootie. Most pointles night of my life was at a Hootie concert.
Does anyone know the real line up????? (Rebecca and her Twitter, I am waiting!!)
They sort of turn the air off in my office after 6. It’s getting rather stuffy in here.
The suffering I do for GTLU……
The Yankees must believe that Mitchell has a higher upside than either Lyons or Meade. If that is the case, than the extra $300,000 is worth it.
Tom in N.J.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Oh dear, Hootie. Most pointles night of my life was at a Hootie concert
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As it pointless BECAUSE of the Hootie concert or IN SPITE OF the Hootie concert???
UPDATE ON DRAFT SIGNINGS: 6:28 p.m.: The Yankees have agreed to terms with 16th round pick Bryan Mitchell ($800,000) according to Baseball America. I’ve also been told they have come to an agreement with 21st round pick Joe Talerico of New Jersey,
looks like the Yankees opted for signability this year. hopefully they didn’t short themselves and compromise on talent though
Erica – line-ups not on anyone I follow’s Twitter just yet
ON THE iPOD RIGHT NOW: Brandy (You’re A Fine Girl) by Looking Glass. No, not my proudest admission.
I’ve got that one as well.
And that’s not even that bad. I only rate that one like a 3rd or 4th degree embarassment. I’ve got much worse.
As a matter of fact I worry about dying and people going through my Ipod and laughing. With any luck I’ll get hit by a bus and my Ipod will get smashed. A plane crash would be preferable.
GB or Anyone
Any Civil War buffs?
I went to Gettysburg for the first time on Saturday.
Very interesting- the battlefield is pretty much how it was. Very good one or two day trip.
I need to watch to movie now.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
Nice article on the old guard. I didn’t realize that Torre was THAT old. I doubt he retires. He’s going to be a young 70.
Bryan Mitchell was one of the best HS pitchers in the country this year. UNC penciled him in as their #2 starter for next year after Matt Harvey.
Harvey is Rick Porcello’s best friend who turned down 800K a few years ago from the Angels to go to UNC.
That’s a great signing by the Yankees. Kid has a nice arm.
Molina should be catching Burnett and Posada should be catching Sabathia. Jorge is not good at blocking balls in the dirt and with Burnett you are going to have to do that a lot.
Congratulations go out to today’s three winners of “Guess the Line Up”. They are:
Fran 5:12
UnKnown 6:10
The Fair Pole 6:21
Congratulations for your ability to read the inner mind of Joe Girardi!! Thanks to all who participated and Pete for posting the line up before I suffocated in my office!!!
Please tune in tomorrow at 5-6:30 for another thrilling round of “Guess the Line Up”
“Come on Randy! You can finish the clause. You’ve got it in you!”
cb-
that’s all you’re getting out of me
between stoneburner cotham and now mitchell…yanks seem to be stockpiling more power arms…gotta love it!
Is there something shameful about The Counting Crows?
As for Hootie: “You like to laugh at me ’cause the Dolphins make me cry”
insert Yankees for Dolphins and suddenly they are not so bad.
“I really don’t know how you can call the oakland park wretched. It is one of my favorite parks.”
you need to get out more.
Go across the bay and visit a real park. I will give you this – the Coliseum is better than Candlestick.
I froze my butt off in Candlestick at a night game in the middle of summer. My favorite memory of that game – you had to walk from the outfield to get to the dugouts. The Dodger’s Tommy Lasorda blew kisses to the crowd the whole walk in… lol.
If you thought Red Sox/Yankees were bad – you’ve never been to a Giant/Dodger game. They HATE each other.
The most embarrassing song on my iPod would definitely be “Afternoon Delight” by the Starland Vocal Group. I am leaving work now, so judge me in my absence
I am going to tonight’s game.
Tomko? That Tomko? Will Yankees remind him why he was cut, or Tomko pull a Pavano on Yankees?
Should be interesting.
I will be at the game tonight, was in Seattle for yesterdays garbage, hopefully tonight will be better!!!! Got tickets last minute for only 40 bucks, 35 rows from home plate! Sweet!
I don’t even understand why CC has a personal catcher. I thought Girardi didn’t do personal catchers.
Could Girardi throw a changeup to foil the LoHud masses? And take the lead?
“GB or Anyone
Any Civil War buffs?”
GB is old but he’t not Civil War old, I don’t think.
A little bit of both, Erica.
Long story short. My friend was going to ask his girl friend to marry him during “I only want to be with you” She said no. He decided to drink more booze than anyone and fight people. I left to Hootie singing “Big Papa”.
why doesn’t Hinske play more? And shouldn’t Melky have more than one day off as badly as he’s been suffering? I guess we’ll see tonight.
If I am lucky, maybe I can catch a Burnett fastball haha.
Mel,
I know you were saying that Jeter is overrated. I was just making a comment about how people tend to underrate him.
Whats up fellas. I have only a second to post. So im reading Petes last thread on how Jete needs to watch out for those Linebackers. I say bring back Duncan for this series and use C.C., Duncan, Joba on your O-line. Problem solved
“They sort of turn the air off in my office after 6. It’s getting rather stuffy in here.”
Erica-are you trying to give us some sort of a clue? A.C. shut off, stuffy.
1.First guess is your boss is a huge Yankee fan and has you find out the lineups for Air.
2.You work at a bank and are being held up while the swatt team is working their way in. NO AIR. Next comes no power.
Stay calm, they will get you out before the game gets started.
“looks like the Yankees opted for signability this year. hopefully they didn’t short themselves and compromise on talent though”
No they didn’t. What are you talking about. They didn’t trade talent for “signability.”
They drafted a number of draft eligible sophomores – guys who have a lot of leverage and are not easy to sign.
They drafted several UNC commits – again – guys who are very difficult to break commitments with.
They drafted Chad Thompson. He’s the exact opposite of a guy who you draft because he’s signable.
They paid Heathcott and Murphy a ton of money. Sure some of that was because they were compensation picks but it was also clear the yankees really liked both kids and in no way were they “signability” picks.
They drafted Heathcott and Murphy. And then they got a ton of guys with very good arms and who throw hard.
This was a promising draft. They got a lot of very good arms.
You are reading a post from someone that correctly guessed the line-up today. WOO HOO!!!
How does it feel? Well I just think about today and take this 1 day at a time. It’s an honor to be a member of this blog and I could not be surrounded by nicer people.
“GB is old but he’t not Civil War old, I don’t think.”
oh yeah, who else do you know who owns a blunderbuss?
this is the best photo yet of early gb7:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.....hotgun.jpg
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 17th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Uncle Ellsworth: my appearance fee is still being negotiated. I’m holding out for over-slot money.
Don’t forget Brave New World, Nick.
Stand tall and wave it proud.
Uncle, The movie ‘Gettysburg’, is based on a book called “The Killer Angels”, by Michael Shaara.
Hillarious Randy. How do you guys find this stuff?
I can’t wait to hear the story of how they came to terms with Talerico. The Yanks have had a hell of a nice draft and Damon Oppenheimer and the Scouts deserve a ton of credit.
Uncle Ellsworth, I am a HUGE Civil War buff and I desperately want to go to Gettysburg…..I may seriously consider doing a tour of Civil War battlefields. I’ve been to Charleston twice (going a third time in October) and both times, I’ve found Ft. Sumter to be an amazing experience.
There is no way they drafted for signability. They drafted high risk high/reward players like Mitchell, Cotham, Heathcott, and Thompson (A guy who had TJ surgery, talk about high risk/High reward). They have only signed 26 out of 49 players (But those players are FAR better than the larger amount signed by the Mets). I am willing to bet that the Yankee budget is 5 TIMES the Met budget (And Thompson and Deluca are still in play).
Randy,
Taking a double look at that picture. He sort of looks like Tom Hanks stranded in the island in Castaway.
I’ve no problem with Jorge catching AJ. AJ has pitched very well for a long time and Jorge has been his catcher. The 2nd WP in the 6th inning last week (that scored the tying run) was Jorge’s fault, but AJ doesn’t have a lot of control of his curve – that’s just a fact. Nonetheless, I think they work very well together……Last out WAS bad, though because apparently AJ crossed Jorge up. I’m not sure what happened, but they need to communicate better tonight.
I’m still hoping they sign Thompson.
Good to see them have what looks to be a very successful draft after last year.
I honestly didn’t think they were going to get this many guys signed.
Randy,
LMAO. No wonder GB is so miserable around here.
Tex playing and the RS off…they can gain ground
“Hillarious Randy. How do you guys find this stuff?”
s.o.s-
having nothing to do in january and february helps.
gb7 and blunderbusses are a running joke on the blog. someone else found gb7′s old photo back in february i think. i can’t take credit for finding it.
“Tex playing and the RS off…they can gain ground”
And the Red Sox face Romero and then Halladay the next two days, IIRC.
I’ve been to a couple Giants/Dodgers games, and it is an underrated rivalry, but I don’t think it compares to the Yankees/Red Sox. Maybe I’m biased, but I can’t think of a rivalry in all of sports that can compare, maybe Lakers/Celtics of old, or Manchester/Chelsea for the futbol fans.
Uncle Ellsworth
August 17th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
GB or Anyone
Any Civil War buffs?
I went to Gettysburg for the first time on Saturday.
Very interesting- the battlefield is pretty much how it was. Very good one or two day trip.
I need to watch to movie now.
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Gettysburg is unbelievable. I spent 5 days there, taking more than 1,000 photos and about 2 hours of videos. There are other sites, like Yellow Tavern, Petersburg and Mannassas, but, Gettysburg and Antetum are absolutely unbelievable. It’s like walking in an outside cathedral. You just don’t talk….you look and imagine the things that went on.
a counting crows reference…. solid
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Uncle Ellsworth, I am a HUGE Civil War buff and I desperately want to go to Gettysburg…..I may seriously consider doing a tour of Civil War battlefields. I’ve been to Charleston twice (going a third time in October) and both times, I’ve found Ft. Sumter to be an amazing experience
I really think you should. I have a feeling you would be blown away.
“Did you click on that link?
If you think issues of psychometric methodology are simply “semantics”‘ then I’m not sure what to say.”
CB, I did not click the link because I know what face validity is. I have plenty of experience with statistics and econometric modeling, and I’m not sure why you feel the need to be condescending. Furthermore, considering that you followed that up with a lengthy post about the issues with UZR and measurement that basically agreed with my assessment of the problems with UZR, I’m not sure what we are arguing about other than a matter of degree. You think the problems with the data make UZR basically useless, and I think that it makes UZR more of a guideline than something you can use with absolute confidence.
randy l.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
“GB is old but he’t not Civil War old, I don’t think.”
oh yeah, who else do you know who owns a blunderbuss?
this is the best photo yet of early gb7:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…..hotgun.jpg
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For a guy who’s baby pictures were chisled on a slab of granite, you’re awfully cheeky, today.
“They clearly liked Mitchell more than Lyons or meade.
The signing bonuses pretty much say it all.”
CB,
Is that an admission by you that you were wrong from our earlier discussion about Lyons versus Mitchell?
DT: this was the best copy I could find to suit my purposes:
http://emmaline1138.files.word....._world.jpg
Gettysburg is unbelievable. I spent 5 days there, taking more than 1,000 photos and about 2 hours of videos. There are other sites, like Yellow Tavern, Petersburg and Mannassas, but, Gettysburg and Antetum are absolutely unbelievable. It’s like walking in an outside cathedral. You just don’t talk….you look and imagine the things that went on.
Yep it is hard to initially wrap your mind around it, but then you grasp all the aspects of the battle and all the implications on our history as a Nation not to mention the effect on the town and the men that were part of it.
What is Yellow Tavern? Do they serve Budweiser?
Uncle Ellsworth, I know I would be blown away….I really felt like I was in communion with the past at Ft. Sumter. Another really cool thing is in North Charleston – the CSS Hunley. They found it in Charleston Harbor a few years ago and are still restoring it.
GB, isn’t Antietam where Bloody Lane was? That field outside the church ……I’m pretty sure that was it. There are some very famous photos of soldiers lying there…..hard to look at.
For a guy who’s baby pictures were chisled on a slab of granite, you’re awfully cheeky, today.
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lol. I love you guys!! The odd couple at its finest. See you when i see you fellas. Save some of that good stuff for the next time GB, Randy and the rest of the lohud famaly.
The Gettysburgh Address is one of the most beautiful things ever written in the English language. I only knew it vaguely as a kid, but it has tremendous meaning for me now.
The Gettysburgh Address is one of the most beautiful things ever written in the English language.
Oops, Gettysburg
“I’m not sure what we are arguing about other than a matter of degree. ”
I’m not arguing. You are.
I was answering Patrick’s question with my post and not yours.
As an aside, my fundamental concern with UZR isn’t even with the variance do to data limitations. That is a huge issue but not the fundamental issue.
My primary concern is that UZR are two fold: 1) UZR is not grounded on a validated conceptual model; 2) Construct validity.
Both of these are huge issues. They are general issues with sabermetrics as a whole and the reason why people did silly things like say batting averge was useless but OPS made so much sense (when it was conceptually nonsensical).
But these 2 issues are even bigger concerns with defensive data.
If you are familiar with these issues, again, it find it very surprising that you’d dismiss important methodological issues as “semantics.”
And if you’d responded to my point on face validity I wouldn’t have asked it again.
Uncle Ellsworth,
The best movie I’ve seen was a documentary by Ken Burns “The Civil War”. It was narrated by David McCullough and others. Also, check out “Glory” and “The Blue and the Gray”. IMO, “The Civil War” is the best…the letter, narration, music are fantastic!! PBS also did a doc on the gray’s prison in Ohio but I could not find it on their website and I cannot recall the name of the documentary. It may be under the “American Experience” series. Also, check The History Channel.
BTW, I live not far from Bull Run in Manassas, VA where battlefields still stand.
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
The Gettysburgh Address is one of the most beautiful things ever written in the English language.
there was some interesting quotes in the museum. Some of the newspapers at the time called it “silly” – Only some mind you.
CPinDC
yes I’ve seen Glory and Ken Burns doc.
Cold Mtn not bad
Need to see Red Badge of Courage again too
Cash,
We were never talking about Mitchell at all.
You were making a point about Stiles.
I didn’t buy the notion that just because the dad of another kid on his summer team was associated with the yankees in some way that they would change priorities for Stiles.
And I also didn’t say that the money used for Mitchell squeezed out Lyons or Meade.
Uncle Ellsworth
August 17th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Gettysburg is unbelievable. I spent 5 days there, taking more than 1,000 photos and about 2 hours of videos. There are other sites, like Yellow Tavern, Petersburg and Mannassas, but, Gettysburg and Antetum are absolutely unbelievable. It’s like walking in an outside cathedral. You just don’t talk….you look and imagine the things that went on.
Yep it is hard to initially wrap your mind around it, but then you grasp all the aspects of the battle and all the implications on our history as a Nation not to mention the effect on the town and the men that were part of it.
What is Yellow Tavern? Do they serve Budweiser?
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Yellow Tavern was in the east central part of Virginia and one of a series of battles that were part of the Richmond and Wilderness campaigns. Yellow Tavern doesn’t exist anymore, but, it started around a way station by that name in 1864. Not a major battle as battles go, but, sheridan was up against JEB Stuart’s cavelry. The union killed about 600 confederates and freed 400 union prisoners. The main part of the battle was that JEB Stuart was killed during the fight.
Just got back to New York from four beautiful days in Seattle. Pete Abers: if you want to catch the Yanks on the road, please go to Safeco Field. Lots of Yankee fans everywhere, a gorgeous field, and a fantastic city. Plus, it’s a small area – you can’t help but see the players everywhere…and it’s true – they all live for Starbucks!
(oh, and you can sit next to the visitor’s dugout without spending a fortune…and Minka’s really pretty up close)
Enjoy the game!
“I’m not arguing. You are.”
If I’m not mistaken, we were having this discussion before Patrick entered. Your response to him fit fairly seamlessly with my point.
“If you are familiar with these issues, again, it find it very surprising that you’d dismiss important methodological issues as “semantics.””
If you go back, I never dismissed them as semantics. My point was that I used the word accuracy when I thought it was fairly clear that I meant validity, so I thought you were dodging the issue and playing with the semantics. If my original post was not as clear as I thought, I apologize for that. Finally, in regard to your broader point, we started this discussion the other night but you needed to leave, so I still am wondering what your issues are with UZR in terms of 1) UZR is not grounded on a validated conceptual model; 2) Construct validity. Could you elaborate?
“For a guy who’s baby pictures were chisled on a slab of granite, you’re awfully cheeky, today.”
oh yeah. you’re so old they carbon date your girlfriends to figure out how old they are.
re gettysburg discussion. was there this summer. as a non buff, would recommend hiring guide to accompanied you on drive through battlefield. was also disappointed by how they rush you through the diorama they recently put back up
“Signing Murphy and Heathcott probably turned out to be more expensive than they were thinking and I’d guess that’s why they might not have it in budget to sign lyons.
That or they may have signed Thompson and it was expensive.”
CB,
I’m in agreement with both possibilities. Two other high school pitchers might be Mitchell and Stiles as possible signings today.”
CB,
You have a short memory. The above exchange followed by your response. Since, I’m only fan I hoped the Yankees would consider Mitchell and Stiles. Based on a quote from Stiles about making him a rich man to keep him away from UNC I suspected that Stiles probably wanted at least a 1M bonus which is why Mitchell was signed.
“They drafted Lyons over Mitchell and Stiles. And since the draft Lyons has pitched great. They are likely more impressed with him now than they were before, especially given the value oppenheimer places on Cape Cod ball.
I doubt they squeezed Lyons for a guy they took later unless that guy was also someone they really, really liked.
I don’t think it was Stiles or Mitchell. They would have prioritized signing Lyons.
The yankees have something of a budget now. We saw it at the trade deadline. We’re seeing it in the draft.
I’d guess Murphy and Heathcott cost more than they were guessing and that’s why they couldn’t fit in Lyons.”
First time player of “Guess the Line-Up” First time Winner. Feels good. I don’t know where I came up with Pena starting in the field over Jeter but it was a gut feeling. I will be playing again tomorrow can’t wait. GO YANKS.
GEORGE: I’d love to be a Civil War buff. … What do you have to do to be a buff?
JERRY: …sleeping less than 18 hours a day would be a start.
Lincon was a great poet too, read this:
http://poetry.poetryx.com/poems/11014/
“so I still am wondering what your issues are with UZR in terms of 1) UZR is not grounded on a validated conceptual model; 2) Construct validity. Could you elaborate?”
That’s pretty straight forward isn’t it?
UZR is not operationalized from a validated theoretical model, unfortunately. That’s just a statement of fact.
Regarding the second point, I may be unfamiliar with the literature but I’ve seen almost no work done establishing the psychometric properties of UZR. As such it’s construct validity extremely porous.
The other night I asked you about what the interrater reliability is for the stringers collecting data? I have no idea what that is and didn’t hear back from you.
That’s a concrete example of some of the issues related to construct validity and psychometrics I have with UZR.
407 feet right of center
August 17th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
re gettysburg discussion. was there this summer. as a non buff, would recommend hiring guide to accompanied you on drive through battlefield. was also disappointed by how they rush you through the diorama they recently put back up
Cyclorama Largest oil painting in the hemisphere Amazing
They do rush you out of it.
You can hook up with Park guides for free
“You have a short memory. The above exchange followed by your response.”
You’re right. I thought we were only discussing Stiles as that was the guy who was reportedly the one who would squeeze out lyons.
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 17th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
GEORGE: I’d love to be a Civil War buff. … What do you have to do to be a buff?
JERRY: …sleeping less than 18 hours a day would be a start.
funny how it all goes back to Seinfeld
Here’s episodes 1-9 of “The Civil War”
http://vodpod.com/watch/137476.....canstudies
The problem is that if you let one steroid user in the hall, you have to let them all in. Selig presided over the Steroid Era and it happened under his watch. And really, how do we know the ones who have not gotten caught are indeed clean? And how do we know they did not take HGH?
It is a problem that Selig created and now has to deal with it.
cyclorama, thanks i couldn’t think of the word.
re yankee “budget”. i think the yankees realize there will be a huge drop-off in season ticket sales next year as well as a need to reduce prices on many sections. better than 25% of game tixs are being sold through stub hub and except for opening day and recent bosox series at below retail
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Uncle Ellsworth, I know I would be blown away….I really felt like I was in communion with the past at Ft. Sumter. Another really cool thing is in North Charleston – the CSS Hunley. They found it in Charleston Harbor a few years ago and are still restoring it.
GB, isn’t Antietam where Bloody Lane was? That field outside the church ……I’m pretty sure that was it. There are some very famous photos of soldiers lying there…..hard to look at.
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Yes it is, Betsy. “Bloody Lane” or “The Sunken Road” is about 1/2 a mile from the old Dunker Church and the corn fields that led to the “Lane”. Burnside’s Bridge is a couple of miles from there, where Burnside march his whole army across a 4 foot deep stream. Marching soldiers in two files and slowly at that across a bottleneck cost him over 12,000 casualties (2300 dead) in 1 day. The confederates had 11,000 casualties with 1500 dead. It was a totally useless battle because it accomplished nothing.
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Uncle Ellsworth, I know I would be blown away….I really felt like I was in communion with the past at Ft. Sumter. Another really cool thing is in North Charleston – the CSS Hunley. They found it in Charleston Harbor a few years ago and are still restoring it.
GB, isn’t Antietam where Bloody Lane was? That field outside the church ……I’m pretty sure that was it. There are some very famous photos of soldiers lying there…..hard to look at.
Antietam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antietam
“You’re right. I thought we were only discussing Stiles as that was the guy who was reportedly the one who would squeeze out lyons.”
CB,
I was just messing with you about being wrong, but there isn’t any right or wrong from our perspective because we’re on the outside looking in. However, it does appear that the Yankees preferred some of the high school arms over what Lyons and Meade might have been asking for which I’m fine with as long as the Yankees sign the best players they’ve got rated. For example if Mitchell and Stiles had an equal rating by them then signing Mitchell for 800K makes sense if Stiles wanted a 1M+.
I hope the Yanks aren’t done with Thompson and DeLuca still out there. Who knows, they might even go back to Lyons or Meade again before midnight and if they blink they could accept the Yankees latest offer.
randy l.
August 17th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
“For a guy who’s baby pictures were chisled on a slab of granite, you’re awfully cheeky, today.”
oh yeah. you’re so old they carbon date your girlfriends to figure out how old they are.
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OK….Now you’re getting personal.
Besides, now I have to think up a response to that.
Being a Rutgers student I love the song Brandy. The band got it’s start in New Brunswick as students. Unfortunately, that is their only really great creation. Don’t be ashamed, it’s a great song. I’m a 20 year old guy, and I’m not ashamed. Sing the song proudly in the press box.
“The other night I asked you about what the interrater reliability is for the stringers collecting data? I have no idea what that is and didn’t hear back from you.”
Honestly, I do not know either. Listen, you have reasonable issues with the statistic, most notably the fact that because of our current limitations, the statistical model used to compute UZR is unlikely to be validated (or discarded) as a proper fit for the data until we can fully harness hit f/x and similar technologies, and because as fans we don’t have access to data about the methods of collection of the data. However, this does not mean the statistic is useless. The people who created the stat are statisticians as well, and understand the inherent issues as well as you do. They, and many others, likely view these problems as altering the usefulness and dependability of the stat, but not making it worthless.
UPDATE, 7:32 p.m.: Matsui is out for today and questionable for tomorrow. … Chad Gaudin remains in the rotation for Wednesday. … Birthday boy Jorge Posada reported that Derek Jeter picked up lunch and their Starbucks order.
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what a generous birthday gift
The sailors say Brandy is a fine girl
we all know what the means
‘Brandy’ is a great tune. One of my karaoke award-winners(!). You want a bad song? How about ‘The Night Chicago Died’ by Paper Lace. Kind of in keeping with the current economic atmosphere…
Gettysburg is excellent – go there once per year with about 360 eighth graders as part of Social Studies curriculum. Very sombre and you can definitely feel the gravity of what took place there.
Jeter picking up the lunch and starbucks tab is really something because it’s been rumored that Jete is kind of tight.
Unfortunately Goldman is totally right, Tex does not deserve MVP…
http://pinstripedbible.mlblogs.com/
I still hope he wins anyway.
“OK….Now you’re getting personal.
Besides, now I have to think up a response to that.”
gb7-
rather than do that, you and i should jump into the discussion between cb and mo and totally confuse their zone rating debate.
personally they should just stick gps chips on players and inside the ball and then we’d get some interesting defensive metrics.
What’s embarassing about Brandy? It’s a great song.
Sure it’s a bit, er, risque, but it could have been much worse.
“Any Civil War buffs?”
no. Revolutionary War
for bein NY, the American Revolution is underrated. Thankful to live by the Hudson
Jim Kaat talking favorably about the Yanks:
http://kaatskorner.mlblogs.com.....great.html
I am a HUGE Civil War buff and a very great admirer of Abe Lincoln. Unfortunately I’ve never had the privilege to go to Gettysburg.
I’d suggest against using tour guides. Get a couple of books from the book stores and read those. They’re about 5-8 dollars and well worth it. Just follow the different parts of the books. Books and the plaques explain everything. You’ll enjoy it more on your own. What is amazing about Gettysburg is the nearly 2,000 monuments that have been erected since right after the battles, by people and states. They are everywhere including along side of roads and in fields. Amazing place. You can see Eisenhower’s farm from most of the points on the battlefields.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.....attlefield
I dislike UZR. Anything rating Tex and Cano as below average defenders is flat out wrong.
I don’t even know this song “Brandy”, but it’s probably worth looking up if it’s getting this much air time here.
And I’m pretty sure it’s better than “Mandy” and that other stupid song I can’t get out of my head, the one about the 911 on the dance floor, oh, oh, oooh.
Uncle Ellsworth, Lincoln wasn’t even the keynote speaker. Edward Everett was……..afterwards, he said something to the effect that Lincoln got to the heart of the matter in a few minutes (whereas it took him hours to do the same). That’s just the gist of it……..
I am a history buff, so I love anything to do with the American Revoltion. Alexander Hamilton is my favorite founding father – I read his bio a couple of years ago. He was an incredibly interesting person……
I am a little bit of a Revolutonary Wat buff. I am also a huge admirer of Ben Franklin as well as Abe Lincoln.
I’d have to do a day tour or something like that to Gettysburg. This year, I’m booked vacation wise, but I have to do a tour of Civil War battlefields – it’s very important to me. My favorite Civil War figures are General Grant and Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain.
i was taken by the monuments as well. most unexpected aspect of battlefield
randy l.
August 17th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
“OK….Now you’re getting personal.
Besides, now I have to think up a response to that.”
gb7-
rather than do that, you and i should jump into the discussion between cb and mo and totally confuse their zone rating debate.
personally they should just stick gps chips on players and inside the ball and then we’d get some interesting defensive metrics.
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OK…now this is really scary, but, I like the way you think. GPS, satellites…really drag this sport into the 21st century.
I’m all for attacking CB, SJ, or anybody that doesn’t agree with us. No reason than just to get something started.
Joshua Chamberlain was an amazing man. He possibly saved the entire war at Little Round Top.
General McLellan gets too much flack, he wasn’t even the worst Union General. That was General Hooker (even the name is embarassing).
Lee is too overhyped, mixed in between his brilliant are some totally inexcusable mistakes.
Never, ever, ever watch Twilight. It’s two hours of my life I will never get back.
“Brandy” is a cool song. There are far more embarrassing #1 songs from 1972 like “My Ding-a-Ling” or “The Candy Man”. Got those on your iPod, Pete?
GB, it’s amazing to me that we killed our own. The founding fathers left the slavery question to be decided by future generations…….and it was, in the bloodiest way imaginable. I really feel that Lincoln’s assassination was a tragedy for the South as well as the North because this nation would have been healed with him at the helm. There would have been no Reconstruction (not the way it turned out, in any case). He would not have punished the South – he would have welcomed them back.
Who here is watching the Giants’ first preseason game (or at least the start of it)?
Wait, I despise McClellan. The man was capable of inspiring his troops, but he was an arrogant little man with a Napoleon complex who refused to fight.
How long was Matsui out for when he had his knee drained the last time? I hope he’s not out for an extended period……I still don’t see how Gaudin can start after throwing 30 pitches yesterday…….at best he can give us what, 4 or 5 innings, tops?
The assasination of Licoln was one of the most disastrous events in our country’s history.
Were he not assasinated Reconstruction Lincoln would have turned from what’s looked at as one of our country’s most difficult periods and at the very least shortened it considerably, at most made us even stronger.
Giants leading into Yankees… nice night
“How long was Matsui out for when he had his knee drained the last time? I hope he’s not out for an extended period……I still don’t see how Gaudin can start after throwing 30 pitches yesterday…….at best he can give us what, 4 or 5 innings, tops?”
To be honest, even if he was well rested, I only expect five or so innings from him.
Betsy,
The funny thing about Brevet Major General Chamberlain was that he was often touted as being the perfect setup man to Ulysses Grant… the heirarchy at West Point had different thoughts… they said he too much talent to merely be a setup/righthand man to Gen. Grant.
I guess the moral of this story is that history does, in fact, repeat itself.
Betsy-McLellan was a bad General. That much history has proven. But he was not the worst in the Union. That was General Hooker. He, too use a baseball term, mismaged the Union Army to really ridiculous proportions. What a chokejob in Chancellorsville. The coward.
We have an off-day on Thursday, so Girardi can use the entire pen on Wednesday
“However, this does not mean the statistic is useless. The people who created the stat are statisticians as well, and understand the inherent issues as well as you do.”
I have never, ever said UZR is useless. I’ve said it is problematic and that’s it. So if you’re referring to me then you’re thinking of someone else.
And to be honest, I’ve seen little indication that the people who created the stat understand these issues. It very well may be that they simply don’t value them so they don’t avidly discuss them. Or it could be I’m not familiar enough with the literate or the culture. No idea.
But it doesn’t seem to be an issue. For example, I’ve never seen issues of inter rater reliability discussed on FanGraphs.
I’ll bring up inter rater reliability again because it’s just so simple and basic. I don’t think there is publicly available data on inter rater reliability on UZR.
And that is a methodological disaster if the entire metric is based on stringers.
What I have seen a lot of is when fans say things like, well I’ve watched Tex play with my eyes and they don’t agree with UZR people will respond (often dismissively) by saying things like well “how do you think the stat is measured? By people looking with their own eyes.”
That retort seems as overly simplistic as the criticism was to begin with. So I don’t even see how that ‘s a legitimate response.
If in theory the fundamental issues were understood then the stats people would see that the issues the non-stats people have are with issues like inter rater reliability.
How can one possibly tout the advantages of UZR as being built on the eyes of stringers and not be able to explain what the inter rater reliability of the stringers are or to be able to cite the data? That’s just so fundamental. But people make this half-argument all the time.
I have seen very little systematic acknowledgement of say basic things like omitted variable bias. I mean really simple things like that.
Instead I’ve seen them glossed over or responded to with an extremely thin skin.
If you invent a metric and can’t systematically and in detail account for a basic issue like omitted variables then there’s a real problem. That is pretty ad hoc work of limited quality.
And if you don’t a formally validated theoretical model for defense then it’s real hard to address omitted variables bias.
If things like inter rater reliability and omitted variables aren’t part of the discussion on UZR then I’m sorry but the criticisms of the non-stats fans are pretty valid and should be heard.
And this is a real question. Are the people who invented UZR formally trained statisticians? I don’t know the answer to that.
Is Mitchel Lichtman a statistician? Where did he get his PhD from?
I ask because Bill James isn’t. James was someone who knew how to use microsoft excel. And I’ve seen a lot of people mix up the ability to use a spread sheet or a data base program
Finally, These generally aren’t issues of statistics. These are issues of psychometrics and that’s not an area statisticians do much work in often.
I’ve checked in quickly today. Now I’m off to my big TV downstairs to watch Big Blue.
Go Yankees.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-tRXewCAmU
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
I’d have to do a day tour or something like that to Gettysburg. This year, I’m booked vacation wise, but I have to do a tour of Civil War battlefields – it’s very important to me. My favorite Civil War figures are General Grant and Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain.
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Not sure how much time you have to devote to your tours, Betsy, but, from Savannah to DC, there are about 25 major spots along the I-95 corridor. Savannah and Charleston, then nothing really major through the Carolinas. In Virgina, make the worthwhile side trip and go to Montecello. you won’t regret it. The rest of the sites are around Petersburg, Richmond, Alexandria, Antietam and Gettsyburg. Also, go to where it really started and that’s the armory at Harper’s Ferry.
Joining the discussion about the Civil War a bit late (you know, work, dinner, chores…having a home and family) –
You know who was probably the best general – Sherman.
He not only was a brilliant tactician – his march through Georgia to Atlanta, when he cut loose his supply train, lived off the land, and perfected the flanking maneuver as an alternative to battle was great strategy. He conquered the entire state, against a pretty good adversary in Joe Johnston, with minimal battle and minimal loss of life. Perfect.
And then, he marched from Savannah to Charleston with the stated objective of demoralizing the population, breaking their will to continue the fight, and, also, demoralizing the Confederate troops in that they now had to worry about their families. He truly understood the role of a populace in war in the modern age, probably the first western general to do so.
The Geico commercials are better then Twilight Rebecca
Just read Kepner’s blog entry on defensive stats and perception (thanks to Pete’s Tweet). Great stuff. Baseball isn’t a numbers game.
“I ask because Bill James isn’t. James was someone who knew how to use microsoft excel. And I’ve seen a lot of people mix up the ability to use a spread sheet or a data base program”
i had a friend from germany who had a doctorate in statistics and she laughed at some bill james stuff i showed her.
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but she showed me some markov stuff that was interesting relating to baseball.
bill james took one class in statistics from what i understand.
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
GB, it’s amazing to me that we killed our own. The founding fathers left the slavery question to be decided by future generations…….and it was, in the bloodiest way imaginable. I really feel that Lincoln’s assassination was a tragedy for the South as well as the North because this nation would have been healed with him at the helm. There would have been no Reconstruction (not the way it turned out, in any case). He would not have punished the South – he would have welcomed them back.
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The final abolision of slavery was only a by-product of the Civil War, but, it wasn’t Lincoln’s aim to directly rid the country of it, onnly to contain it. all of the other territories and states were to remain free. It wasn’t the cause of the war….states’ rights were the cause. Once the war started, it became part of Lincoln’s terms to end it.
Baseball IS a game played by robots and there is no human element to it. It is a cold game. Free agency after 1965 made it a cold game.
Which is why UZR and other metrics are helpful.
Wait, totally agree. I’m not that familiar with Hooker except that he has lent his name to a certain profession. Lincoln went through an amazing number of generals before he found Grant (who I love)…..
Zach, I didn’t know that. Chamberlain was seriously injured during the war (not sure if it was at Little Round Top, I forget) and was in pain for the rest of his life…Given the state of medicine at the time, I’m amazed he survived.
GB, I went with my parents to DC a few years ago. I would have killed to have driven there and toured the battlefields on the way. What we’re doing this time is flying into Charleston, driving to Savannah and then driving back to Charleston (spending about 2 1/2 days in Savannah, 4 in Charleston). I wish there were battlefields in that area…even if there were, I’m not sure how much interest my parents would have in them. I think next year, I’m going to do research into tours of the battlefields – but I want to do a good one, with a real historian leading the way. I never thought of going to Monticello – that would be lovely…….
Cash, good point – it’s not like I had delusions of Gaudin going 7.
I’m on my phone right now so I only get the most recent posts, but how did the topic of the civil war crop up..?
Texas threatening in the bottom of the first
Joe from Long Island
August 17th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Joining the discussion about the Civil War a bit late (you know, work, dinner, chores…having a home and family) –
You know who was probably the best general – Sherman.
He not only was a brilliant tactician – his march through Georgia to Atlanta, when he cut loose his supply train, lived off the land, and perfected the flanking maneuver as an alternative to battle was great strategy. He conquered the entire state, against a pretty good adversary in Joe Johnston, with minimal battle and minimal loss of life. Perfect.
And then, he marched from Savannah to Charleston with the stated objective of demoralizing the population, breaking their will to continue the fight, and, also, demoralizing the Confederate troops in that they now had to worry about their families. He truly understood the role of a populace in war in the modern age, probably the first western general to do so.
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Sherman had wanted to do to Savannah what he did to Charleston, but, decided to present Lincoln with a fully intact Savannah as a Christmas present. He destroyed Midway and the surrounding areas around Savannah, though and burned Charleston. Two beautiful cities. You can see the devestation that Charleston has suffered through the years, between the earthquake that almost levelled the city to the shelling.
UZR is a great stat. Teixeira doesn’t have great range at first base. What makes him great at first is his ability to scoop balls in the dirt. And he has a very strong and accurate arm. Glad UZR backs up what my eyes see that Teixeira has only decent range at first.
Derek Jeter should be an mvp candidate he is having one of his best seasons ever.
Was there for “the Flip”, sitting upper deck, a bit up the third base line from home plate. Almost missed it because all the A’s fans stood up at the crack of the bat and I stayed seated. But I leaned over to get a sight line and DJ flashed into view. An image that will always be with me.
randy l,
That’s an interesting story. I don’t get what you guys are getting at with the Bill James references.
But I think that baseball “statistics” is more of a historical record of a player’s numbers that accumulate on a daily basis. They’re used to summarize more than predict future performance like traditional “statistics” would be, no? It’s not really a science that serious non-baseball statisticians would take seriously, no?
I think what I’m trying to say is baseball stats is more record keeping than a science.
JFK,
Exactly. Someone can play good defense without having good range, like Teixeria does. Yet people take it as offensive.
Measuring defense is not cut and dry. Each person has strengths and weaknesses of their defense.
Brandon, you might be awesome but Bradshaw is the MAN! G-men just scored in my end zone. Season tickets ftw!
Let’s go Giants!
Football season is back… so excited.
Nothing better than football and a pennant race.
CB, I’m not in front of a computer anymore so I cannot do your response justice. I will say this- most people who complain about UZR don’t have the complaints that you do. Dismissing the model, or at least questioning it, based on the real issues you raised, is fine. The rpoblem is when people say ”UZR doesn’t like Tex so throw the whole thing out.” In regard to your questions, I bet Lichtman would be glad to discuss them with you if you emailed him, or Tom Tango. There may be answers to some of the questions you pose. Finally, Just because I don’t have all the answers does not mean that I have no place to argue for the statistic.
GB, that’s true. Lincoln thought that slavery would eventually die a slow death………Then, after the Emancipation Proclamation (though in reality it only freed some of the slaves), the war took on a different character, something more noble.
Joe, Sherman is a fascinating and brilliant character……he is still detested in the South. I think they practically spit his name (if they say it at all).
GB and Betsy,
May I add Manassas, VA to your list of Civil War sites?
“i had a friend from germany who had a doctorate in statistics and she laughed at some bill james stuff i showed her.”
randy,
From what I’ve seen, and I could be wrong because I’m not part of that community, the majority of people who are somehow described as “stats” guys in baseball aren’t formally trained statisticians.
The idea that Bill James is a statistician is cringe inducing.
But even now most of the guys say at baseball prospectus are not statisticians. Nor are they guys who have advanced training in a related field like econometrics, physics or a quantitative social science.
Knowing how to run a database or spread sheet query is not being a statistician in any way.
GB7 – a good guide makes that Gettysburg tour exceedingly worthwhile – definitely recommend getting a guided tour. Reading up on every facet of G-burg is necessary to really get a feel for what occurred, but a good guide is the key to an exceptional Gettysburg ‘experience.’
Doesn’t UZR measure range? Teixeria’s range is not his specialist. It is no wonder that his rating is low.
JFK:
Jeter MVP.What are you smoking.Jeter didn’t win it(And shouldn’t) in 2006 and never will.
When a team is in a pennant race.Why would a player(Tomko) think he’s suppose to take up a roster spot,when not helping the team,get angry when traded?
I hope the Yankees lite him up tonight,just to remind him why he’s gone.
“Football season is back… so excited.
Nothing better than football and a pennant race.”
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Ditto!
“I’ll bring up inter rater reliability again because it’s just so simple and basic. I don’t think there is publicly available data on inter rater reliability on UZR.”
cb-
i had no idea what you were talking about until i read closer and looked up “inter rater reliability” in wikepedia.
i think that was the big argument i had with hmmm two years ago over dewan’s the fielding bible and how he rated jeter.
my point was that it was totally bogus because dewan probably had interns of his looking at every play that was made in mlb and rating them on level of difficulty.
the problem as i saw it was that sabermetric people were biased against jeter to begin with and they knew who they were rating when they rated him.
just rating a ball as softly hit instead of medium hit would change jeter’s rating. i asked if anyone knew who did the rating of balls in play. i never got an answer.
there was likely no agreement among raters who were impartial. it was likely one rater doing each player. or maybe not, but dewan never said how it was all done. i still think it was unpaid interns who were dewan true believers who were kept in the basement
maybe not, but i’d say it’s a problem if you take his work seriously.
Mo,
The problem is that if a statistical measure doesn’t have face validity it won’t gain widespread acceptance, and probably shouldn’t.
GB, at places in Charleston, you can definitely see the effects of the earthquake. There are spots where the ground is clearly raised……….Hurricane Hugo destroyed Charleston years ago, but actually the city rebuilt and remade itself. It’s a remarkable city….I can’t think of a lovlier place. For a history lover, Charleston is a treasure trove. I’m really looking forward to seeing Savannah, too, as I’ve never been there.
Pete,
Just youtubed the song. You’re a big man for admitting that. Just curious, how did the song end up in your iPod? That song is almost as old as me. Was a great song…in the 70′s.
Ed H, absolutely…….twice, lol
CB, could you explain something to me about batting average? Assuming two players had the same OBP & SLG, but one had a lower batting average, wouldn’t that player be more valuable? For example, if player A had a .300/.400/.400 line and player B had a .250/.400/.400 line, wouldn’t you prefer player B? They’d have a higher wOBA and ISO, but would also be hitting 50 points less… doesn’t this make it seem like batting average is not a good indicator of a player’s offensive ability?
Who remains not signed that would be a disappointment if they did not sign?
“They’re used to summarize more than predict future performance like traditional “statistics” would be, no? It’s not really a science that serious non-baseball statisticians would take seriously, no?”
m-
the problem is that many sabermetricians cloaked their theories in scientific jargon that anyone who had any mathematical aptitude could often see through.
this is not to say that statistical analysis doesn’t have it’s place in the game because it does. you just can’t assume something is true because it sounds good and is so complex you can’t understand it.
“I will say this- most people who complain about UZR don’t have the complaints that you do. ”
Not in a formal sense. But when they say things like I’m watching Tex play first base and I don’t see how that corresponds with him being a below average 1b by UZR they are, in an informal fashion, wondering about what the face validity of the metric is.
They may not formalize it or put it in those words but that’s what they are wondering.
Similarly, if they are wondering on what the stringers do they are often wondering about issues like interrater reliability.
Just my opinion, but i think the responsibility is with the quantitative people to explain. Just saying that there are stringers what do you think they’re doing – looking with their eyes isn’t trying to explain. It’s arguing. Just my opinion but I think the honus is on the people trying to further stats.
“In regard to your questions, I bet Lichtman would be glad to discuss them with you if you emailed him, or Tom Tango. ”
I’m not so sure about that. I’ve seen the way discussions go on The Book or Fangraphs or Beyond the Box Score and I’ve been surprised with the quality of the conversation.
The argument too often takes on the quality of a “religious debate.”
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Wait, totally agree. I’m not that familiar with Hooker except that he has lent his name to a certain profession. Lincoln went through an amazing number of generals before he found Grant (who I love)…..
Zach, I didn’t know that. Chamberlain was seriously injured during the war (not sure if it was at Little Round Top, I forget) and was in pain for the rest of his life…Given the state of medicine at the time, I’m amazed he survived.
GB, I went with my parents to DC a few years ago. I would have killed to have driven there and toured the battlefields on the way. What we’re doing this time is flying into Charleston, driving to Savannah and then driving back to Charleston (spending about 2 1/2 days in Savannah, 4 in Charleston). I wish there were battlefields in that area…even if there were, I’m not sure how much interest my parents would have in them. I think next year, I’m going to do research into tours of the battlefields – but I want to do a good one, with a real historian leading the way. I never thought of going to Monticello – that would be lovely…….
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Betsy, not trying you sharpshoot you, but, hookers was not given that name because of Joe Hooker. That name was used 20-30 years before Hooker was even more than a kid. It got the name from “ladies” hooking their arm around a prospective client as they walked down the street or they’d hook the with the handle of their umbrella or parasal.
Going through Virginia, heading north, just head left for Charlottesville to Montecello off of I-95 to I-64. Charlottesville is also the hometowmn of Madison and Monroe.
MLB Draft needs to be changed fast. Young players shouldn’t be given such lucrative contracts, when they haven’t proved a thing. Need to have set amounts, to end these holdouts.
I enjoyed the Virginia sites more than Gettysburg for whatever reason. They had an “in character” confederate soldier who was very interesting and being in Appomattox Court House was really neat.
Historically, though Colonial Williamsburg is still my favorite.
Sevrx
August 17th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
JFK,
Exactly. Someone can play good defense without having good range, like Teixeria does. Yet people take it as offensive.
Measuring defense is not cut and dry. Each person has strengths and weaknesses of their defense.
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Exactly he plays great defense and is a huge upgrade from Giambi. But he doesn’t have great range that is not his strong point which is what UZR is saying. There are plenty of ground balls hit to his left that got through this year that if he had great range he would of made a diving play for. But playing first base is more than about range which is why Teixeira will probably win another gold glove.
Ouch, GB………I’m completely embarrassed now. You call yourself a gentleman? The proper thing to do would have been to let it pass and let me think I was right, lol…….Seriously, I’m embarrassed…
I used to have a 45 of Brandy. Loved it!!!
The lineup looks solid. Hoping that Pena can produce more hits. Looking at the current performance between the 2 teams , I don’t thinks that Yankees will have a problem. Probably looking at another sweep.
Zach, I didn’t know that. Chamberlain was seriously injured during the war (not sure if it was at Little Round Top, I forget) and was in pain for the rest of his life…Given the state of medicine at the time, I’m amazed he survived.
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Oh, sorry Betsy. I was totally speaking out of my rear-end when I mentioned that about General Chamberlain. It was a terrible attempt at making light of the current Joba starter/reliever debate.
Speaking of The Civil War, The Ken Burns mammoth documentary on the subject is watched religiously in our household at least once a year…and the soundtrack is both brilliant and terribly haunting at the same time.
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
GB, that’s true. Lincoln thought that slavery would eventually die a slow death………Then, after the Emancipation Proclamation (though in reality it only freed some of the slaves), the war took on a different character, something more noble.
Joe, Sherman is a fascinating and brilliant character……he is still detested in the South. I think they practically spit his name (if they say it at all).
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you won’t find the name “Sherman” anywhere in Georgia. They won’t even name a street after Harry Sherman, let alone William Sherman.
Savannah and Charleston are sister cities and you’ll love it. I suggest the carriage rides early in the morings or in the evening. Don’t go on the group carriage rides in either city….rent one with a driver and just you and hubby. The weather will still be great then. Light jacket or sweater. Most of the houses along “Rainbow Row” in Charleston have earthquake rods to stablize them.
“The argument too often takes on the quality of a “religious debate.””
i always thought baseball prospectus was a religious site.
even will carroll who i like reading has no medical or sports medicine credentials.
“MLB Draft needs to be changed fast. Young players shouldn’t be given such lucrative contracts, when they haven’t proved a thing. Need to have set amounts, to end these holdouts”
someone tell the NFL this
“Just my opinion, but i think the responsibility is with the quantitative people to explain. Just saying that there are stringers what do you think they’re doing – looking with their eyes isn’t trying to explain. It’s arguing. Just my opinion but I think the honus is on the people trying to further stats.”
This is fair. However, I will say that sometimes the tone of that argument is more in the sense of trying to suggest that UZR should not be worse than using your eyes, just because the stringers use their eyes and collectively see every play, something we cannot due. Obviously, this does not validate UZR, but I think the point is less to validate UZR than it is to say that it is no worse than what we have now.
“I’m not so sure about that. I’ve seen the way discussions go on The Book or Fangraphs or Beyond the Box Score and I’ve been surprised with the quality of the conversation.”
Generally, when those conversations go bad, it is because the arguments devolve into “what about player X? He is good defensively but UZR says he isn’t” type stuff vs. “you clearly do not understand the metric at all, idiot.” When these discussions come up at BBTF or such, and the people talking are as well versed in the problems as you, they usually stay civil.
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Ouch, GB………I’m completely embarrassed now. You call yourself a gentleman? The proper thing to do would have been to let it pass and let me think I was right, lol…….Seriously, I’m embarrassed…
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That story has been going around for a 140 years. Ol’ Joe Hooker wasn’t above having “traveling ladies” follow his troops around, though. he was a party animal.
7-2 TEX bottom 2nd
Should Retard Nation panic yet?
7-2 TEX bottom 2nd
Man, what’s happened to Liriano?
Should REtarD Nation panic yet?
Sox are still a better team than Texas and will prove it in the long run.
Sox are a veteran winning team… if they need to win a game down the stretch to get into the playoffs, they fill find a way to win it. Ellsbury, Youk, Pedroia, Bay etc. are all gamers and grinders. They will beat who they have to beat to get to the playoffs and will be extremely dangerous once they do so.
Texas doesn’t know how to win, Boston does.
Zach in Port Jeff
August 17th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Zach, I didn’t know that. Chamberlain was seriously injured during the war (not sure if it was at Little Round Top, I forget) and was in pain for the rest of his life…Given the state of medicine at the time, I’m amazed he survived.
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Oh, sorry Betsy. I was totally speaking out of my rear-end when I mentioned that about General Chamberlain. It was a terrible attempt at making light of the current Joba starter/reliever debate.
Speaking of The Civil War, The Ken Burns mammoth documentary on the subject is watched religiously in our household at least once a year…and the soundtrack is both brilliant and terribly haunting at the same time.
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Out of all of that great experience of Ken Burn’s, Sullivan Balou’s letter to his wife, Sarah, was the most beautiful and touching part.
Along those same lines, HBO has a documentary from about 25 years ago called, “Dear America: Letters Home From Vietnam”. well worth getting from Amazon.com (along with the book).
That doesn’t always work – see Tampa ’08
Who has the tougher schedule down the stretch, BOS or TEX?
As Francessa said… Boston’s last 7 games are home games against Cleveland and Toronto. If they need to win all 7 to get into the playoffs, they will. Toronto and Cleveland would have long packed it in by then.
Aardvark
August 17th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Sox are still a better team than Texas and will prove it in the long run.
Sox are a veteran winning team… if they need to win a game down the stretch to get into the playoffs, they fill find a way to win it. Ellsbury, Youk, Pedroia, Bay etc. are all gamers and grinders. They will beat who they have to beat to get to the playoffs and will be extremely dangerous once they do so.
Texas doesn’t know how to win, Boston does.
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It’s questionable whether the Boston Red Sox are even better than the Chicago White Sox.
Also remember DET tanking it vs. KC at the end of ’06, barely backing in…
Baseball’s funny that way.
mo-
hope you show up more often.
it doesn’t hurt for cb to have someone to spar with .
good discussion.
“Sox are still a better team than Texas and will prove it in the long run.
Sox are a veteran winning team… if they need to win a game down the stretch to get into the playoffs, they fill find a way to win it. Ellsbury, Youk, Pedroia, Bay etc. are all gamers and grinders. They will beat who they have to beat to get to the playoffs and will be extremely dangerous once they do so.
Texas doesn’t know how to win, Boston does.”
Theo, is that you?
randy l.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
mo-
hope you show up more often.
it doesn’t hurt for cb to have someone to spar with .
good discussion.
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Are you trying to start a fight on here? I’ll pick CB or Mel to kick butt. Tomorrow I’ll take Mel to win.
Thanks randy. BTW, this is just as a PSA, here is a useful link if anyone wants to know more about UZR:
http://www.baseballthinkfactor.....3-03-14_0/
I’ll pick CB ***over*** Mel to kick butt
Zach, no need to apologize; you didn’t say anything wrong. I only mentioned Chamberlain’s injury because it’s one thing I remember about him……
Ken Burns’ Civil War is phenomenal. I haven’t watched it in its entirety in a long time, admittedly – but it’s still the gold standard of documentaries. I love looking at archival photos – I’m fascinated by them….so the Civil War was like a gift to me.
GB, I may have to do a romantic carriage ride with my parents, lol…..or at least I’ll send them on one and have a merry old time myself. I did that the first time I was in Charleston, haven’t done it since as I think it’s a bit touristy. I will do that in Savannah because it’s a great way to get a handle on the layout of the city. I need to start doing my research now. Charleston is easy, but I want to get to know Savannah like the back of my hand before I get there…
Now that IS something that I remembered about Hooker – he did like his drink……
oooops. This isn’t Mel….it’s Mo. I’ll still pick CB.
I smell a big win tonight… 12-2 Yanks
“They will beat who they have to beat to get to the playoffs and will be extremely dangerous once they do so.
Texas doesn’t know how to win, Boston does.”
what have the red sox won without manny?
it takes more than gritty to win world championships.
manny was the core of that team.
they are not the same team without him.
I don’t remember that part, GB – I may see if I can look it up on the internet later. It’s heartbreaking that families were torn apart….brother against brother, friend against friend. Sigh.
I don’t know that much about the Vietnam War, I admit it. When I went to DC and saw the Wall, I was incredibly touched…….more than I thought I would be. There were photos of the lost soldiers, flowers…..very sad. I was just talking to my parents recently about this – weren’t the Vietnam vets treated badly upon their return because it was an unpopular war?
Tell the Rangers that they don’t know how to win. I still respect the heck out of the Sox and I still think they will win the WC, but they’re going to have to fight for it – it won’t be handed to them.
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Zach, no need to apologize; you didn’t say anything wrong. I only mentioned Chamberlain’s injury because it’s one thing I remember about him……
Ken Burns’ Civil War is phenomenal. I haven’t watched it in its entirety in a long time, admittedly – but it’s still the gold standard of documentaries. I love looking at archival photos – I’m fascinated by them….so the Civil War was like a gift to me.
GB, I may have to do a romantic carriage ride with my parents, lol…..or at least I’ll send them on one and have a merry old time myself. I did that the first time I was in Charleston, haven’t done it since as I think it’s a bit touristy. I will do that in Savannah because it’s a great way to get a handle on the layout of the city. I need to start doing my research now. Charleston is easy, but I want to get to know Savannah like the back of my hand before I get there…
Now that IS something that I remembered about Hooker – he did like his drink……
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When you get here, get in touch with Dennis. He may be back by then. I’ll be around, too. You’ll love River Street and Bay Street. Many of the homes are museums and open to public viewing….Juliet Gordon Lowe (Girl Scouts). The squares, Forest Gump’s bench, The museum at the Johnny Mercer Center that has most of his original sheet music like “Moon River”. His home on willmington Island. Fort Pulaski, on the wat to Tybee island.
So did the Sox forget how to win against the Rangers this weekend, or did the Rangers learn how to win?
“I smell a big win tonight… 12-2 Yanks”
staying with tonight’s theme – I have the Confederate states +120 – I think Lee is pitching but I’m not sure what the run line is.
The Rangers are in the process of dismantling the Twins to take a full 1 game lead on Boston in the wild card. They don’t know how to win all the way to the bank!
They’ve had problem w/ the Rangers period. And the Rangers surprised them w/ pitching and speed.
“Are you trying to start a fight on here?”
gb7-
who me ? try to start a fight? you must be mistaking me for someone else
all kidding aside, i enjoy cb going a bit deeper to defend his positions. i don’t always understand what he’s talking about at first, but it’s rare that i don’t learn something if i stay with the argument.
that means wikipedia usually. of course wikipedia came in handy to with you and your blunderbusses too.
Ken Burns best documentary is ‘Mark Twain’.
David Tyree needs to make this Giants squad.
“As Francessa said… Boston’s last 7 games are home games against Cleveland and Toronto. If they need to win all 7 to get into the playoffs, they will. Toronto and Cleveland would have long packed it in by then.”
lol..funny stuff…we all know 7 game winning streaks grow on trees…and good luck doing that with bucholz tazawa and penny going 3 out of every 5 days…
Heard the field is in awful condition!
Good news with the draft pick signings.. our farm system is becoming one of the best in baseball…
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
I don’t remember that part, GB – I may see if I can look it up on the internet later. It’s heartbreaking that families were torn apart….brother against brother, friend against friend. Sigh.
I don’t know that much about the Vietnam War, I admit it. When I went to DC and saw the Wall, I was incredibly touched…….more than I thought I would be. There were photos of the lost soldiers, flowers…..very sad. I was just talking to my parents recently about this – weren’t the Vietnam vets treated badly upon their return because it was an unpopular war?
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Ironic that the “The Wall” was designed by a Vietnamese woman named Maya Ying Lin. The monument “The Three soldiers” is another part that is breath taking in it’s detail.
They still go out and collect things that are left by friends and family for the names on The Wall. Everything from grass, to boots, cigarettes, lighters and matches, 6 packs of beer. Everything is collected, catalogued and stored in a controlled warehouse.
I hope we smack Tomko around! Don’t like how he left the team!
Wait, I missed it…
What did Brett Tomko say?
I would love to see the Sox not make it, but 14 out of there last 17 games are extremely easy.
GB, I’d love to meet you guys…….I love museum homes, so it sounds like I’ll be in my element in Savannah. LOL I’ve never seen Forrest Gump, but my father continues to insist that I see it eventually. I have to tell him about the bench, lol. I only made it to Brownie level, but I won’t hold it against the Girl Scouts; I will still visit the Juliette Low house, lol. When I’m by myself, I never have a car, but I will be glad to have a car now, so we can do some travelling – to Fort Pulaski, etc….
The most embarrassing song on my iPod would definitely be “Afternoon Delight” by the Starland Vocal Group. I am leaving work now, so judge me in my absence.
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LOL. Must be an amazonian anthem? I have that on my Ipod too. I blame the movie Anchorman.
“the problem as i saw it was that sabermetric people were biased against jeter to begin with and they knew who they were rating when they rated him.”
randy,
On the flip side you can’t really just argue that they are biased against a player. That doesn’t really lead to an honest discussion and just leads to people being reactionary.
You don’t need to even get into those kinds of issues.
The concern for bias isn’t against the player. It’s bias in the data.
When you try to translate something into numbers by having someone make an observation you better have an explicit method detailed for how those people are supposed to make their observations. You also better make sure that you know explicitly how well those individuals agree in their observations.
A lot of the issue here is that the people who collect the data are proprietary companies who aren’t going to make their methods and performance data (e.g. inter rater reliability) publicly available.
And that’s a major problem.
Hey all,
Got to the park abotu 545 local time and there were more fans here watching batting practice, than I’ve seen at any of the previous 30 or so a’s games I’ve been to this yr.
A’s fans are more fairweather than any team I know of. Anyey, I’ll try and post some picsas soon as I can.
Interesting story, phil coke came over to the section I’m sittong in to say hi to some friends and some lady came down claiming to be his mom, and phil completely ignored her. Very strange I think.
Man, I knew the Raiders were a mess, but now Tom Cable is breaking his own assistant’s jaw? What a jerk:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/.....id=4405681
randy l.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
“Are you trying to start a fight on here?”
gb7-
who me ? try to start a fight? you must be mistaking me for someone else
all kidding aside, i enjoy cb going a bit deeper to defend his positions. i don’t always understand what he’s talking about at first, but it’s rare that i don’t learn something if i stay with the argument.
that means wikipedia usually. of course wikipedia came in handy to with you and your blunderbusses too.
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I could have used my battleworn slingshot (NOOO!!! Not that one) or my crossbows. I figured that the blunderbuss wasn’t too far back in your past that you’d forget, but, apparently, your mind and memory is gone.
I don’t think I got a fair shot,” he said. “I pitched great in spring training and didn’t make the team. I pitched great in the minors, got called up and didn’t get much of a chance. I understand other guys are pitching great. But it could have been different. I can’t see the point in coming back.” …
“I never felt like I got a chance to show them anything,” he said. “I wasn’t pitching much. As much as I want to be here and be with a winning team, I want to pitch. It would be great if they traded me in the next 10 days to help me out. But if not, I’m sure something will come up. Plenty of teams need pitching.”
Tom, I love Mark Twain – I never saw Burns’ documentary. Huckleberry Finn is my favorite book………Maybe I’ll go buy the DVD.
GB, they still do that? That’s wonderful – I don’t like the idea of those things just being left to the elements. I don’t think I saw the Three Soldiers…I’m sorry I didn’t. The Korean War memorial was beautiful…….so was the WWII Memorial. When I went to the WWII museum in New Orleans, I couldn’t get past the fact that these soldiers that died for our country and, frankly, to save the world, were kids…..18, 19, 20.
Jen, I thought Tomko was a total whiner after those comments……I don’t want to say anything more for fear that if I do, he will pitch well tonight, lol.
There’s no shame in liking “Brandy”, its a timeless classic… Now lets get onto more important matters such as the Yankees sweeping or at least 2/3 from the A’s
As for Oakland’s stadium- isn’t at times referred to as the Mauseleum(excuse the spelling)?
Did Mo’s son just make a diving catch in the outfield?
“When I went to the WWII museum in New Orleans, I couldn’t get past the fact that these soldiers that died for our country and, frankly, to save the world, were kids…..18, 19, 20.”
Not to mention 16, 17….and younger for those who succeeded in lying about their ages.
The one thing I don’t understand about Boras is this:
wouldn’t it behoove him to get these guys signed so that he gets paid?
Twain is American Literature. Burns’ film on him is a masterwork.
Hey all,
Got to the stadium at about 545 and there were already more fans here for BP, than I’ve seen over the last 30 or so games I’ve been to this yr. Hardly any green and gold.
I’ll try and post pictures when I can…
Interesting enough, phil coke came over to the section I’m in and was talking to some friends when some lady pushed her way down the stairs saying she was his mom. Phil completely ignored her and ran off..
CB, Dewan answers a lot of these questions here:
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.....&st=0
In particular, in regard to inter-rater reliability, he said:
“At BIS, we rigorously train our scorers and minimize any potential biases. During the season, we review each scorer’s performance and make corrections as necessary. At the end of each season, we do a review of many plays to ensure that our data is recorded as accurately as possible.”
Not entirely specific, but it does suggest that they are aware of the issue and try to address it. The linked chat is really informative on the issues.
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Someone tell Brett that he never pitched on 10 days rest, and what does he want? Does he think he is Mo or Hughes? He was a pitcher brought up to pick up the scraps, did he think he was going to become the 7th inning pitcher?
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
August 17th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
The most embarrassing song on my iPod would definitely be “Afternoon Delight” by the Starland Vocal Group. I am leaving work now, so judge me in my absence.
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LOL. Must be an amazonian anthem? I have that on my Ipod too. I blame the movie Anchorman.
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YES!! That movie was what reminded me to download it. We can make it an Amazonian Anthem. Good call!
does “a horse with no name” follow brandy on the ipod
oops I realize that wasn’t the entire quote. I heard him quoted as talking about that he didn’t pitch consistently.
I’m currently enjoying watching some Big Blue Defense and ground and pound running
Rob B, that’s true…..wow, teenagers.
No more signings for the Yankees……
cb-
i understand your concern about not inflaming an issue, and i can see how that having the method of observation clearly stated would clear up the problem.
..but i do think that dewan and james did go out of their way to go after jeter
Wow. Lane says Yanks most likely won’t sign DeLuca and Thompson
Alright FINALLY I get to see Andre Woodson!
Paul
August 17th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
does “a horse with no name” follow brandy on the ipod
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No one makes fun of the band America in my presence. I can listen to “Sister Golden Hair” 95 times in a row and not be sick of that song!
The Sox are playing golf in October.
some lady came down claiming to be his mom, and phil completely ignored her. Very strange I think.
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maybe it was that crazy stretching lady from Baltimore? I’d avoid her like the plague, too.
Can Andre Woodson be our wildcat option?
Not familiar with those kids, but that’s too bad. I don’t like budgets, lol
Higher ceiling…
Slade or De Leon??
“Can Andre Woodson be our wildcat option?”
He’s going to put pressure on Carr.
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
GB, I’d love to meet you guys…….I love museum homes, so it sounds like I’ll be in my element in Savannah. LOL I’ve never seen Forrest Gump, but my father continues to insist that I see it eventually. I have to tell him about the bench, lol. I only made it to Brownie level, but I won’t hold it against the Girl Scouts; I will still visit the Juliette Low house, lol. When I’m by myself, I never have a car, but I will be glad to have a car now, so we can do some travelling – to Fort Pulaski, etc….
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Jelliette G. Lowe was an interesting woman. She only had partial hearing in one ear, and after her wedding, as they were throwing the “good luck rice” a piece of rice lodged in her good ear and it punctured her ear drum (in the good ear). She was totally deaf in that ear.
You’ll love this place. If you’re looking for a hotel, let me know what you’re looking for. Many down on River Street, like the Hilton and a few blocks further are the less expensive ones. Restaurants are not a problem, unless you’re trying to avoid food.
Not if he throws picks like that, lol
OMG. I have America’s Greatest Hits on mine.
AND… *drumroll* dorkiest song on mine is Barry Manilow’s Mandy.
Well… at least its not Copacabana.
yada yada yada August 17th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
some lady came down claiming to be his mom, and phil completely ignored her. Very strange I think.
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maybe it was that crazy stretching lady from Baltimore? I’d avoid her like the plague, too.
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HAHA I remember that. I think she is probably still locked up in the loony bin.
Thompson is a 17th round RHP and Deluca is 44th round LHP
Bumps for the kid but he’ll learn.
“Higher ceiling…
Slade or De Leon??”
DeLeon has the power, Slade has everything else.
The question needs to be Sosa or Slade
You can do magic…. *sings*
Chez, Lunch and a Starbucks. Turtle got a 200,000 sport car for his birthday, the captian cheaped out on that one
Deluca is also a high school player who is a lefty that throws 95
I was just reading an article on The New Yorker when I got a pop-up that read “Revitalize your life with HGH”.
Hmmm? I am feeling quite sluggish these days…and I could use the extra distance in my golf game.
“At BIS, we rigorously train our scorers and minimize any potential biases.”
mo-
who are these scorers?
we know who official scorers of games are.
i have a friend marc jacobson who’s an official scorer for oriole games. i understand what he does and who he is and where he does it.
i make a joke of it , but literally, are these scorers in dewan’s basement and are they really trained professionals?
if they are unpaid interns as i would think, how professional are they really ?
I know nothing about those players, just where they were drafted, lol
i dont think this draft budget was too constricting for the yanks..it appears they spent a lot of money and got several high upside players..
GB, wow……my word, talk about bad luck – the poor lady. Actually, I’m looking for a bed and breakfast or even a charming hotel – I never stay in chain hotels if I can avoid it. In places like Charleston and Savannah, I think it’s particularly important to stay in an atmospheric hotel/B&B because that’s part of the whole Southern experience. I also try to avoid noisy areas because I am a very light sleeper…….Southern food, yum. I think I am half-breed, half-Yankee, Half-Reb. I love shrimp and grits and peach pie and coconut pie and fried chicken and………just yum.
“I was just reading an article on The New Yorker when I got a pop-up that read “Revitalize your life with HGH”.
Hmmm? I am feeling quite sluggish these days…and I could use the extra distance in my golf game.”
10 years from now they’ll pump it into the water
“DeLeon has the power, Slade has everything else”
Heathcoth has power too.
“Deluca is also a high school player who is a lefty that throws 95″
Don’t even talk about this kid I mean he has an arm other than that is EXTREMELY RAW
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
GB, they still do that? That’s wonderful – I don’t like the idea of those things just being left to the elements. I don’t think I saw the Three Soldiers…I’m sorry I didn’t. The Korean War memorial was beautiful…….so was the WWII Memorial. When I went to the WWII museum in New Orleans, I couldn’t get past the fact that these soldiers that died for our country and, frankly, to save the world, were kids…..18, 19, 20.
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yeah, people still leave things and it still gets catalogued. Mothers and widows still leave letters and pictures. I’ve met a few of these guys kids at “The Wall” who were born after their fathers died. They had their kids with them and were getting etchings of their fathers’ names. Sadly, a few years ago, somebody threw some sort of oil based substance on some of the panels, and they’re still trying to get it cleaned off.
““DeLeon has the power, Slade has everything else”
Heathcoth has power too.”
Not like DeLeon.
Randy,
They are hired employees of BIS. They are trained to be scorers just as anyone is trained at any job. I have no reason to believe that they are incompetent or biased just because I don’t know their names.
Wow, just looking around at the different games, and looked up Buerhle’s stats. Since the perfect game, he’s been pretty brutal. In 5 starts since that game, he’s given up 5, 7, 6 (5 earned), 0, and 3 runs (the last is for today’s game to this point).
So, if you knew one of your pitchers was going to struggle for a while after pitching a perfecto, would you still want him to do it?
If you can sign an 18 year old lefty who throws 95, who cares if he’s raw?
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
GB, wow……my word, talk about bad luck – the poor lady. Actually, I’m looking for a bed and breakfast or even a charming hotel – I never stay in chain hotels if I can avoid it. In places like Charleston and Savannah, I think it’s particularly important to stay in an atmospheric hotel/B&B because that’s part of the whole Southern experience. I also try to avoid noisy areas because I am a very light sleeper…….Southern food, yum. I think I am half-breed, half-Yankee, Half-Reb. I love shrimp and grits and peach pie and coconut pie and fried chicken and………just yum.
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I’ll find some B&Bs and link them to you…either tonight or tomorrow. I’ll look for something that you can walk more and drive less to.
Chapman is raw too… yet we’re going to give him $50 million this winter
Thanks, GB!!!
randy l,
Saw your reply. Thanks.
GB7,
Why are you dragging me into this? I’m just a cheerleader standing on the sidelines. No pompoms, though. Just a keyboard.
And “Afternoon Delight” is a great song. I liked it as a kid, not knowing at the time what the song was about!
“At BIS, we rigorously train our scorers and minimize any potential biases. During the season, we review each scorer’s performance and make corrections as necessary. At the end of each season, we do a review of many plays to ensure that our data is recorded as accurately as possible.”
That was a very good interview.
I would like more methodological detail but an interview on SOSH isn’t exactly the venue.
Much of the issue here is due to the fact that the data is proprietary.
Proprietary data is closely held and that’s a problem.
What you quoted above really is to assure readers that the people making the observation are trained.
I don’t doubt that. But what he described enough is not interrater reliability. Until you know the kappa score it’s tough to evaluate the observations.
Dewan said that defensive metrics can account for 60% of defensive performance.
That’s probably a fair way of looking at it. It could be 40% or 60%, etc. But it’s not 100% or 10%.
I would like to know what 60% is based on because it sounds like that’s his intuitive feeling.
And if you don’t have a validated theoretical model it’s really not possible to say it explains 60% of performance.
But that’s probably a fair thumb nail assessment.
However, that said, if only 60% of the “variance” in defensive performance is explained then people who say UZR is “wrong” when it has Tex as a below average defender are well within their rights to do so.
And in addition, that would really mean that the issues of the size of the data set available is an even bigger issue.
We probably shouldn’t be looking at midseason defensive metrics at all if it’s only explaining 60% of performance.
sportsguy33: You know the Red Sox season is in rough shape when you’re thinking, “Phew, I’m glad we don’t play tonight. I need a break.”
Angel – A tale told by idiots – full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
You can do magic…. *sings*
*****
I saw them in concert last summer with Chicago
m-
Somehow I knew what that song was about before I really knew what it was about.. LOL
Nothing about that song sounds innocent
m
August 17th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
randy l,
Saw your reply. Thanks.
GB7,
Why are you dragging me into this? I’m just a cheerleader standing on the sidelines. No pompoms, though. Just a keyboard.
And “Afternoon Delight” is a great song. I liked it as a kid, not knowing at the time what the song was about!
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What’s the point of starting squabbles on a message board if you don’t drag in the innocents?
Lets go Yankees!
Let’s go Yankees.
A mismatch on paper doesn’t always translate into a blowout on the field.
Let’s light up Tomko.
Betsy
August 17th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Thanks, GB!!!
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Sure thing. I assume that you know of places in Charleston, but, if you don’t, let me know.
Erica,
Did anyone win “guess the lineup” today?
I tried to skim through the posts but didn’t see anything.
No one was dissing the Deluca kid.
“Chapman is raw too… yet we’re going to give him $50 million this winter”
Chapman was also making batters look silly in the WBC.
FINALLY Barden!
Well, it figures. Tomko has a perfect game going against the yankees. They’re laying down already.
miggs-
Scroll up to 6:43. I am slacking off though. I need to update the standings- will do that after I make tomorrow’s lunch and shower
Tomko on a pitch count, 70 pitches according to Sterling.
Afternoon Delight reminds me of Buttercup from Something About Mary, lol. Its such an innocent sounding song and tune.
I don’t have any Chicago on my Ipod, but thanks to my father and his love of easy listening/oldies for adults genre, I know most of their stuff, lol. Were they any good in concert?
GreenBeret7
August 17th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Well, it figures. Tomko has a perfect game going against the yankees. They’re laying down already.
***
Tomko is completely unhittable!!!
That is the ugliest looking baseball field ever!
At least they’re hitting the ball hard.
Apparently Johnny knows Tomko’s on a pitch count too
Erica – always OPPC
August 17th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
GreenBeret7
August 17th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Well, it figures. Tomko has a perfect game going against the yankees. They’re laying down already.
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Tomko is completely unhittable!!!
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You’ve noticed that too, huh?
Angel-
Wait a minute, Build Me Up Buttercup is not an innocent song????????
Actually, America and Chicago was a great concert. I appreciate a good cheesy love song. LOL. And who do you think I went to that concert with? I went with my dad!
Yup, they’re hitting the ball hard.
GreenBeret7
August 17th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Well, it figures. Tomko has a perfect game going against the yankees. They’re laying down already.
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Tomko is completely unhittable!!!
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Whew, we avoided the perfect game!
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You’ve noticed that too, huh?
Wooo Tex! We will not be no hit by Tomko!
I do agree that leaving that 40% to subjective observation makes it harder to depend on the data. Of course, that 40% has plenty of biases and sampling issues as well, so to call judgments based on it “wrong” is well within reason as well.
I have to go out a bit, CB. Great discussion, I’m glad we got around to it.
That’s the Tomko we knew, but didn’t love!
Chicago was such a great band. “Feeling Stronger Every Day” just kicks ass. They were definitely onto something for a long stretch there.
Man, with a perfect game going already they may as well forfeit the game.
wow for the few people in Oakland chanting steroids, really? just saying.
Teixeira breaks up the no-no!
Whew! I was really getting nervous there.
My first date ever was to a Chicago concert.
yada yada yada
August 17th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Chicago was such a great band. “Feeling Stronger Every Day” just kicks ass. They were definitely onto something for a long stretch there.
****
“Make Me Smile” is probably my favorite Chicago song. That song always makes me happy. I cannot hear it and not sing along
What that’s Jerrys brother!! I knew he looked familiar!
So are the two Hairstons in today’s game brothers or cousins?
Will they play Lou Reed’s “Walk on the Wild Side” for A.J.? I love that song.
hey – that’s Scott Hairston as in brother of Jerry “Junior” Hairston, Jr?
Lots of subplots tonight…
How long do we have to watch A Rod hit 4th? Seriously, the guy isn’t more than a .250 hitter, come on Joe, move him down
“Great discussion, I’m glad we got around to it.”
It was a good discussion. But this wasn’t even what we were orginally discussing late that night.
We were discussing whether metrics like wOBA were abstract or not.
Another time…
I don’t know about Buttercup, I meant Afternoon Delight, lol.
My dad would have loved me to go to a concert like that with him.
““Make Me Smile” is probably my favorite Chicago song. That song always makes me happy. I cannot hear it and not sing along”
Erica, we are either long lost sisters or clones. Every day, you say something that is true for me as well.
RDM – one would think you were more interested in what’s going on in Texas…
Here’s a great live version of “Make Me Smile”, Erica:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
dig all the shaggy-haired dudes.
You got that right, Yankees Luv. If Texas was Loosey Goosey of steroids clubhouses, then Oakland’s was Foxy Loxy.
57 degrees, that would explain the sweatshirts.
mo-
“They are trained to be scorers just as anyone is trained at any job.”
why the secrecy if they are competent professionals ?
i’m a big believer in transparency, and dewan’s lack of it in specifically who the scorers are raises red flags to me.
who would sit all day and rate plays? how much are they paid? i’m still betting really low level interns at minimum wage.
who would work for dewan at such a low wage?
likely someone who already believed in dewan and his beliefs and wanted to get a foot in the door of dewan’s business.
that to me is a problem.
“Swisher hopes he’s found home”
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy
I like old Chicago, didn’t really care for Peter Cetera solo though.
“I like old Chicago, didn’t really care for Peter Cetera solo though.”
I liked “Restless Heart”.
Laura-
Just maybe
. Do you mind if I ask how old you are?
Chicago….”Stay The Night” and “I don’t Want To Live Without Your Love”. “25 Or 6 to 4″ is too easy to pick, but, after the first two choices, I had to. I don’t want people to think that I’m a perv.
Laura
August 17th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
“I like old Chicago, didn’t really care for Peter Cetera solo though.”
I liked “Restless Heart”.
*****
I LOVE THAT SONG!!!! I don’t care how cheesy it is. I admit it happily!!
Did Teixeira not see that ball?
Cano had a chance for a TD and blew it!
Oh, I might make an exception for that.
Man, that field is ugly.
“Just maybe. Do you mind if I ask how old you are?”
I’ll be 41 in October.
tex gave way to Cano. Cano had a better angle.
There you go AJ
Burnett’s stuff looks good tonight.
Cano with the dropped pass. Almost had an interception.
Cheering for Suzuki, as long as the Yankees win.
haha, that was quick, Joe I.
Hey all!
This is OT but I need somewhere to whine about it! I put my DVR on eBay and used free shipping with the Buy it Now feature and put a shipping calculator there for anyone who wanted to bid instead. I got an email asking if I would ship to Canada. I said I would be happy to. I was thinking we would just calculate the shipping if the guy won the auction. Instead he used the Buy It Now feature and now I have to pay for shipping to Canada. I am trying to see if he will split it with me but if he won’t, I am pretty much stuck.
GO YANKEES!
YankeesWFAN: Strange but true: Jeter, ARod, Nomar all in uniform. And the starting SS’s are Ramiro Pena and Cliff Pennington (Jeter’s DH)
folks on Twitter having a fun time with all the football references, too
Oh, GB7.
It’s too late for that. You never have a second chance to make a first impression.
Yanks have a guy batting 4th who is batting .257,,,,,… .200 at home….about .230 w/RISP, almost as many K’s as hits, making $20 million…I don’t get it………I am sorry, A Rod isn’t what he used to be and I think should be dropped in the order.
Laura
August 17th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
“Just maybe. Do you mind if I ask how old you are?”
I’ll be 41 in October.
*****
Then we probably weren’t spearated at birth, but its nice to have so much in common with someone!
Jorge happy Birthday!
Texas had to bring Neftali “Don’t Call Me Perez” Feliz in the 6th inning to quell a Twins’ rally.
Why do I get the feeling Ron Washington is going to get all Joe Torre w/him?
Similar stuff, Flash?
a birthday hit
i think flaherty should be shot for saying that tomko and aj have similar stuff
RDM-
Stop knocking A-Rod or I will never have dinner with you!
yada yada yada
I don’t think they are allowed to use him 2 days in a row. Similar to Joba. I might be wrong though.
They are both pitchers in the american league! similarity ends right there!!
Atta boy Jorge… glad that he got a hit tonight.. h’s sure not playing like he’s 38…
Greg Paulus just named starting Syracuse QB….
RDM, if you want to come out, we’re not a judgmental group.
No straight man is ever that fixated on another man.
Erica, seriously, when he is up, I just don’t pay much attention. I can’t wait till playoff time this year when he plays.
Cy Young Tomko…going to bed…have a good night all!! Stay safe
trisha,
just send a second bill for the shipping difference.
unless you specifically said you would ship to Canada for the same cost, I would think it’s acceptable to do that (and within ebay’s guidelines).
“Then we probably weren’t spearated at birth, but its nice to have so much in common with someone!”
Are you older or younger?
RDM- Your A-Rod obsession is kind of disturbing. He’s got a bum hip, and still has had more than his share of clutch hits this season.
The teams got the best record in the majors and lead the league in runs scored, their line-up is fine.
RDM,
just out of curiosity, what is the Yankees record since ARod came back?
and in what % of those games has he been hitting cleanup?
hmmm….
lets smack around this good for nothing loser
looks like you’re correct, Carl. they have yet to use him on back-to-back days. smart move, he has a golden arm.
Laura
August 17th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
“Then we probably weren’t spearated at birth, but its nice to have so much in common with someone!”
Are you older or younger?
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Younger. I will be 29 in December
if tomkos pitch count really is 70…he’ll be out in the 4th inning
classic pitchers duel
Tomko is at 37 pitches.
Laura
August 17th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
“Then we probably weren’t spearated at birth, but its nice to have so much in common with someone!”
Are you older or younger?
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Was that question necessary? I don’t know any woman that admits to being older than somebody else.
Tomko two scoreless innings against the highest scoring offensive in baseball.
why did the yanks get rid of him?
I’m sure Erica is telling the truth, but I know quite a few girls that are 29… and have been 29 for a long time
Morneau left the game due to an injured head? what happened?
GB7-
You’d have to be a special kind of pathetic to lie about your age on a Yankee blog! LOL
“Younger. I will be 29 in December”
Wow, I’m almost old enough to be your mother. How is it that you know “Make Me Smile”? That’s a 70′s Chicago song. You weren’t born then.
seems I missed the end of the war and reconstruction
All I can think of when I see the A’s hats/ uniforms are mallard ducks.
3 times in a row on the corner…cant do that
BD 2.0
August 17th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
I’m sure Erica is telling the truth, but I know quite a few girls that are 29… and have been 29 for a long time
*****
Hahahaha. Except I am not even 29 yet, I will be 29 in December! I am 28
BryanHoch: There’s an A’s vintage ‘Swat It Out Swisher #33″ banner hanging in right-center field.
Posada with the cannon!
Morneau had dizziness on a hot day in Texas
Nice arm birthday boy!
Nice job catching the thief there Jorge.
Aww. That was really nice of Hairston to give Jorge a birthday gift.
thats a big CS by posada right there
He looked safe.
Laura
August 17th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
“Younger. I will be 29 in December”
Wow, I’m almost old enough to be your mother. How is it that you know “Make Me Smile”? That’s a 70’s Chicago song. You weren’t born then.
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My dad made sure I was raised on a very strict regimen of classic rock and oldies. LOL
I am the only 28 year old I know who can name every song on Revolver and all of the members of the Travelling Wilburys!! And I have seen Fleetwood Mac in concert 8 times
Erica – always OPPC
August 17th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
GB7-
You’d have to be a special kind of pathetic to lie about your age on a Yankee blog! LOL
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i don’t know about that. Idiots like RDM insists that he’s an adult, and everyone knows that’s a lie.
Thanks, PL
“How long do we have to watch A Rod hit 4th? Seriously, the guy isn’t more than a .250 hitter, come on Joe, move him down”
You must have been like the most picked on kid in H.S. RDM.
Yep, AJ’s command looks great
BD thanks for the help. Unfortuntely he bought it under BUY IT NOW and I specifically said shipping was free with BUY IT NOW. I have written him saying I would be willing to pay the first $20 (that’s the highest I calculated I would have to pay in the US) and explained the misunderstanding but if he wants to be hard-nosed about it, I probably will just bite the bullet and pay for it.
Drat!
Mark Ellis has been getting Big PopUp’s shakes. LOL!
RDM
30 million
…or are?
come on AJ!
“My dad made sure I was raised on a very strict regimen of classic rock and oldies. LOL”
Your Dad sounds like a good man.
Trisha-
We are missing the first problem in this tragic story.
Why on earth were you selling your DVR?!??!?!!?
RDM,
I thought you were going to bed. I guess a creepy Red Sox troll’s work is never done.
Damon!!
lol wow
MPB Johnny Damon is the best outfielder ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHA YEA JOHNNY
damon flashing the leather!
I don’t blame Sweeney, actually.
I don’t think anybody thought Damon’s making that catch.
Erica, did you see this? ( sorry if it was posted already I just got home!)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08.....ref=sports
Wow, that’s the most embarrassing doubled off I’ve seen in a long time.
Um where’s Sweeney going? lol
Did Sweeney lose track of how many outs there were?
Great snowcone catch by Damon!
haha Damon. Well done
BD I am hoping that the Sux miss the wild card by exactly the number of games that the macho idiot Pukey had to sit out. I can’t think of anything more selfish than that loser saying he knew that when he charged the mound he would be suspended but he did it anyway.
So your team just gets it’s butt handed to it by your major rival, your team is falling further and further behind in the division race and is hanging on by a thread in the wild card race, and you decide to get yourself tossed in the early innings, knowing it will lead to a suspension?
WHAT A LOSER!
NYY626
August 17th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Erica, did you see this? ( sorry if it was posted already I just got home!)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08…..ref=sports
*****
Ummm, no!!!!!!!!!!! Why on earth didn’t anyone share this with me sooner!!!! Thank you NYY626!!!!!!! Okay, reading now…
That play deserves this as well…
MPB Johnny Damon = Awesome
The Travelling Willburys have had about 6-7 members. Dylan, Harrison, Petty, Orbison and Lynne.
Nelson Wilbury – George Harrison
Otis Wilbury – Jeff Lynne
Lefty Wilbury – Roy Orbison
Charlie T. Jr. – Tom Petty
Lucky Wilbury – Bob Dylan
Later on:
Spike Wilbury – George Harrison
Clayton Wilbury – Jeff Lynne
Muddy Wilbury – Tom Petty
Boo Wilbury – Bob Dylan
Buster Sidebury – Jim Keltner
Ayrton Wilbury – Dhani Harrison
ok – expecting runs now the second time through the line-up
RDM,
Rag on Alex all you want, but don’t start obsessing on A.J.
Pena feel like running?
Okay, we have to score here.
id say bunt but Tomko is just so awful
“Trisha-
We are missing the first problem in this tragic story.
Why on earth were you selling your DVR?!??!?!!?”
Erica, I posted something about it the other day on one of the more obscure threads here. (It’s all about timing.) Actually I was asking for advice on switching to VIOS. I don’t need my DVR anymore since it is for DirecTV. It is brand new since I never had it hooked up. I have had it since last August. The greatest irony is that I finally had set up an appointment to have them come this Friday, and a Verizon representative (YANKEE FAN FROM NY!) rang the bell and asked if I was interested in hearing about VIOS. It was worth the price of bundling all my services, so I went for it. They give you a free DVR.
Erica – always OPPC
August 17th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
That play deserves this as well…
MPB Johnny Damon = Awesome
The word “awesome” has lost some its punch for me on this blog. I wonder why?
That’s a HR at YS. oh well
Trisha-
That makes much more sense. LOL!
trisha – FYI it’s FiOS, not VIOS
Dam you John Sterling!!! With your IT IS HIGH! IT IS FAR! it is caught calls Grrrrrrrrrr
How have the Yankees STILL not have broken through against this chump?
Sterling has been doing too many would-be homer calls like Rizzuto did in later broadcasting years.
That would have been a HR at YS, lol.
Uncle E-
I acknowledge Brandon killed it. Not just killed it, he buried it.
But unlike Brandon, MPB Johnny Damon actually deserves it!
UPDATE, 10:41 p.m.: Great catch by Johnny. Haven’t written that too often.
It was a triple lutz too. Not many LF’s even attempt those.
Alex…first pitch fastball dont think swing hard
I love hearing all the Yanks fans in Oakland.
I think Tomko is terriied to pitch to Tex
bases loaded
*terrified
Rish – this is even funnier! I called Verizon today and was asking them about Extra Innings (they do provide both teams’ feeds during games) and I referred to it as VIOS. She said something in return and called it FIOS and I wondered why the hell she didn’t even know the name of her own product!!!
WHAT A DOPE I AM!!!
You could see he wanted nothing to do with Tex. I am sure he knows that Arod hasn’t been swinging the bat well recently.
Tomko rather face Arod. Pitched around Teixeira.
lame
that was lame
Now that was terrible Alex
that just happened…:/
wow alex, you made that way too easy
Hate to say it but that was a pretty play.
That was awful. We’re letting Tomko off the hook.
UPDATE, 10:41 p.m.: Great catch by Johnny. Haven’t written that too often.
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If I can get Pete to refer to Johnny as “awesome” by the end of the season, I will consider myself heard
well crap.
again
that was laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame
Now you know why he pitched around Tex. Arod looks like he needs 2 weeks off. He looks terrible, maybe wait for a pitch to hit..
way to get yourself out lunging on the first pitch.
trisha –
too funny — they are a previous client and I’m actually a FiOS customer, too…
What you are people talking about?? A-Rod just took the bat.
Am I on a delay???
…and then that happened.
One of the worst at-bats I’ve seen all year.
Swings at a first pitch slider that isn’t even in the zone after Tomko walks Teixeira.
At the very least A-rod has to sit on a fastball that’s actually in the strikezone. Really a terrible terrible at-bat.
Wow, Arod.. couldn’t even take a few pitches… what a fool!
Yuck – at least there are another 6 innings…
>We’re letting Tomko off the hook.
Girardi: HE IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!
I know whats happening…..The A’s have to give Tomko the lead first…then he can blow it and we can all go to sleep
There is no reason to pitch to Tex with the way A-Rod is hitting.
offense has looked pretty horrible now against some mediocre to bad pitchers the last 3 games.
Erica – always OPPC August 17th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
What you are people talking about?? A-Rod just took the bat.
Am I on a delay???
Close your eyes!
Why did the Yanks get rid of Tomko?
He just shut down the best offense in baseball.
Cash and Girardi couldn’t use 3 inn. of shout out relief?
Arod looks like he runs in quicksand now…Maybe he should be DHing and not Jeter.
Bad legs and all, I’d rather have Matsui in clutch situations vs ARod.
Maybe Alex’ elbow is still bothering him. He took a nasty, nasty hit……..
I knew this was going to happen tonight, lol – well, it’s early.
Erica – always OPPC
August 17th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
What you are people talking about?? A-Rod just took the bat.
Am I on a delay???
*****
LOL. I have officially lost my mind. When Johnny made the awesome play I rewound and watched again. I forgot I was no longer live and could not understand how you all saw A-Rod bat before me. The power of DVR!
Alex’s worst AB of the season. Period. You absolutely cannot go up with “swing first pitch” predetermined in your mind against a guy like Brett Tomko, who just walked Tex on 5 pitches. And that’s what Alex did. Pitiful AB.
jeter looks so out of place on the bench lol
How can A-Rod not get Tomko lit up?! Yeah they were teammates, so Tomko knew what he was doing against A-Rod. I just wish he had that same savvy when he was a Yankee.
Erica, were you being funny about Arod just taking the bat?
2 singles + 1 walk = NADA!
Hitters get overanxious when the bases are loaded. Alex is no different.
Yeah, because Alex has never come through in the clutch this year……
AJ hasn’t gotten much run support lately……
trisha – OPPC lifetime member and true believer in the Ortiz karma effect
August 17th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Erica, were you being funny about Arod just taking the bat?
*****
No, I was on a self-imposed DVR delay (that I subsequently forgot about!). I am not actually that clever LOL
Nasty. Just nasty.
What does the DH during the down time? I just saw jeter go back inside.
Ill vote Honus Wagner for now.
Russel
August 17th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
What does the DH during the down time? I just saw jeter go back inside.
****
I would guess potty and get food
I really love the way AJ just turns around and walks around the mound even before he gets the call, like he knows it’s a strike, so see ya! I love that flippin swagger.
I wonder if Pujols has had an AB that bad? They should never be compared as players. That AB was a joke and then we get to see that stupid look of his.
Relax. Bad at bat for Arod. First inning he had some healthy cuts and just missed a few. Don’t be surprised if he launches one off of Tomko in this game if he is still around. Yankees should have a 3 run inning soon and AJ looks in a groove. Maybe overconfident, but nothing about tonight’s game concerns me. It was like facing Tazawa. Pitch after pitch crushed, everyone seeing the ball well. Only so many innings thta lasts.
Nasty Hook!
Do they have a child on the PA system????
Who is the kid announcing the names? Did they fire all the adults? LOL!
Did I hear wrong or did a baby just announce this dude to the plate
Nasty AJ
good, get tomko right back out there
AJ looks like the AJ we faced against Toronto last year tonight. Filthy stuff.
Time to score some runs in this inning. Getting shut out threw 3 innings against Tomko is embarrassing.
RDM has a following.
Are we seeing the second half AJ full emerged like he was last year???
The Yanks are getting good swings (for the most part) on Tomko. He’s like a boxer that you can’t believe is still standing in round 3.
He’ll go down. Soon. And hard. Boom. TKO in the 4th.
Maybe you should sell YOUR DVR to a Canadian, Erica. Yours seems to be leading you astray. LOL.
Here we go probably our last crack at Tomko.
runs soon please – I have a 6 am alarm set
I think they have a kid calling the batters as they go to the plate. Either that, or it’s that Christina Chinewich (sp!) lady. But if it’s a kid, that’s super cool.
M August 17th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
I wonder if Pujols has had an AB that bad? They should never be compared as players. That AB was a joke and then we get to see that stupid look of his.
Oh you mean mr I don’t do steroids because Jesus would send me to hell? Mr I don’t do steroids because Jesus would send me to hell is not coming off major hip surgery is he?
Dan Giese! I’m correct!
That strike two pitch AJ threw to Crosby was ridiculous. What a two seam fastball.
That was one of the single best pitches he’s thrown all year.
What a talent. Even his two seam fastball – which he doesn’t use much – can be devastating.
“I wonder if Pujols has had an AB that bad?”
Was that a rhetorical question? Cause if not, then the answer is frequently.
longest outing of the year for Tomko..unreal
Erica – always OPPC
August 17th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Do they have a child on the PA system????
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Yes, they do. Oakland has a contest once or twice a week where they have kids do the lineups and announce the hitters.
Tomko shutting down the Yanks.
I’ll bet Tomko paints a picture of A-Rod grounding into that DP.
Btw, Brett, your paintings aren’t that great, either.
Angel – A tale told by idiots – full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Maybe you should sell YOUR DVR to a Canadian, Erica. Yours seems to be leading you astray. LOL.
*****
NEVER!!!! DVR is my friend.
Tomko is making it look easy
a patented Nick Swisher away HR here?
GreenBeret7
August 17th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Erica – always OPPC
August 17th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Do they have a child on the PA system????
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Yes, they do. Oakland has a contest once or twice a week where they have kids do the lineups and announce the hitters.
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Oh. Thats actually really cute. I would hate it in Yankee Stadium. But its adorible for Oakland
Maybe the Yanks can have kids call Yankee games on 880?
Please.
Sorry Tomko is getting outs but no one is fooled. The will put up at least 5 runs in this game guaranteed
The Yankees should ask Tomko how come he didn’t pitch like this when he was in pinstripes?
you have got to be kidding me
Where was that curve ball against Ruiz the Phillies catcher?
Tomko > All
Every team goes through slumps and it looks like the Yankees are in one….boy, it’s frustrating, but it is early.
Are you kidding? Brett Tomko? When are we going to get to this guy?
Some West Coast LoHudders are meeting up tomorrow at the game. Nick in SF, myself & maybe Pat M. Not sure of the details, but we’ll post on here when we know. If you want to meet up too, let us know.
This makes absolutely no sense. Tomko is awful, and is not even locating his pitches well. They are swinging at garbage, and giving up outs. There’s no reason that a team this good should be doing this against a AAAA pitcher like Tomko. None.
So when the Yankees win the World Series do they still have to vote Tomko a partial share?
guys, we are being shutout because everyone was so smug about Tomko!
The A’s catcher looks like a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.
I watch Cardinals’ games all the time, and yes, Pujols has had at bats like the one A-Rod just had. None that I recall this year, as he’s been a monster with bases loaded, but everyone does. Its just a bigger deal with A-Rod because we see him everyday. And as great as Pujols has been this season, and A-Rod was better in 2007, IMO. Although Pujols is still young, and I fully expect him to have a season soon that even outdoes this season.
Oh, and he just hit a BOMB in the Cards/Dodgers game.
8 Pitches? What happened to 38 pitches?
“UPDATE, 11:01 p.m.: I want to be careful how I word this because its important to be accurate in my line of work. So here goes:
It’s an absolute disgrace the Yankees have not scored off Brett Tomko in four innings. A travesty.”
True, but it was worse that Pavano came close twice to beating them.
The Yankees need to bring in a guy like Brett Tomko. Seriously, if you have a guy like this, you hold onto him. Just pure domination.
A lot of hard hit balls but nothing to show for it.
Of course, Tomko will give up seven runs his next outing.
Looks like AJ will have to toss a shutout tonight, wow…..
tomko is pitching pretty good…they had a big chance to score some runs but arod blew it, it happens…maybe tomko would of done a better job than mitre?
Can we stop making Tomko look like Pedro Martinez.
Cy Tomko is shutting down the best offensive in baseball.
Why did Cashman let him go?
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....-win-baby/
CC’s goal on Tuesday just win baby…
Well Tomko looks pretty good to me tonight. I would say he has something to prove here and definitely has some extra zip in his pitches tonight. It’s just like teams getting up for the Yanks and not quite as much so for other teams. One of those things.
Pedro lasts to the fifth before getting smoked. Tomko will be the same.
“Start”
<— Fail
Brandon…I’M AWESOME!… Getting ready to buy the Marky Mark MVP MIXTAPE Vol.1 August 17th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Can we stop making Tomko look like Pedro Martinez.
He doesnt look like Pedro….Pedro gives up runs…Brett doesn’t
This might be the worst fitting stadium for the Yankees with all the foul ground. They have hitters that hit a lot of balls in the air (more frequent outs) a third baseman who hates catching popups, and a starting pitcher that leads the world in WP’s.
Bad decision by Swish. The ball was sinking too much to dive for that.
What the hell has gotten into Davis?
This reminds me of the Pavano 2 starts against the Yankees. Thought they would knock him around too.
LOL I’m frustrated too, but calling it a disgrace? Hasn’t this team earned a little slack? I do want to say it’s embarrassing…..When this team slumps, they slump. This is why you can never say anything is a sure thing in the post-season. If the Yankees (like any team) decide to stop hitting, like they have in recent post-seasons, they can easily lose……
Good job by Melky. That gets to the wall inside park HR
That was a very good hustle play by melky to back up swisher.
Diving in this enormous outfield is a huge risk. Surprised Swisher did that, especially with a good runner like Davis being the one who hit it.
Speaking of music … when I see Swisher in the outfield I can hear Judy Collins singing… “Send in the clowns”
The bats have been in a mini slump for a short time now. Against Boston and Toronto. Hopefully they get it going before Tomko is out of the game. They have hit the ball hard tonight, you would think that will equal runs soon.
UPDATE, 11:01 p.m.: I want to be careful how I word this because its important to be accurate in my line of work. So here goes:
It’s an absolute disgrace the Yankees have not scored off Brett Tomko in four innings. A travesty.
*****
Ouch Pete. Say how you really feel
Man, that guy is fast. He doesn’t even look like he’s running hard.
Ugh……..
Yankee killer Suzuki
lol Yanks
A.J. can’t break off his killer curve.
Just don’t ask him why.
Why was the infield in?
unbelievable – Tomko in line for a win (I know it’s really early, just saying)
AJ starting to implode here.
These A’s are so damn pesky!
AJ needs to locate his pitches better…
Guys like Tomko and Pavano get pumped up when they face the Yankees. Doesn’t mean they’re good pitchers though, or that they would pitch well for us.
AJ starting to lose it now….
wow that ball really skips on that outfield grass..
Happy to see the faith in Pedro. Well I think he’s going to get much better. Because of that I picked him up on my fantasy team and dropped James Shields…
I’m sorry, but the infield in in the 4th inning? Is Joe kidding?
New Mobil version is strange :/
Rachel August 17th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
AJ needs to locate his pitches better…
Yeah its his fault!
Hopefully he can get Ellis out. It would stink to go down 3 runs here.
“Why was the infield in?”
Because they can’t score off Brett Tomko.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member and true believer in the Ortiz karma effect August 17th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Happy to see the faith in Pedro. Well I think he’s going to get much better. Because of that I picked him up on my fantasy team and dropped James Shields…
You cant drop “Big Game James”
““UPDATE, 11:01 p.m.: I want to be careful how I word this because its important to be accurate in my line of work. So here goes:
It’s an absolute disgrace the Yankees have not scored off Brett Tomko in four innings. A travesty.”
True, but it was worse that Pavano came close twice to beating them.”
Incorrect. Pavano has shown some semblance of being a competent pitcher, at some point in his career.
Tomko has never shown anything of the sort.
if we lose to Brett Tomko that’ll be an indication that this team isn’t going anywhere this season, a first round demise at best.
HOLY EFFING FAIL
Wow……..
Great..What was that?>?!?!!?!
thats unfortunate
RalphieD (OPPC)
August 17th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
wow that ball really skips on that outfield grass..
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That’s a problem with playing baseball a day after a football game was played on it. It’s beat down as smooth as Astro Turf.
UPDATE, 11:01 p.m.: I want to be careful how I word this because its important to be accurate in my line of work. So here goes:
It’s an absolute disgrace the Yankees have not scored off Brett Tomko in four innings. A travesty.
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Thank A-Rod, at least he isn’t hurt
Omg, this always happens to AJ with a runner on 3rd and 2 outs.
What was that???
LOL
“Guys like Tomko and Pavano get pumped up when they face the Yankees. Doesn’t mean they’re good pitchers though, or that they would pitch well for us.”
Absolutely!
completly amazing
this amazes me
AJ throw through next time, please.
This is the sound of me finding something better to do with my time.
When did Joba start pitching?
were down 3-0 to Bret Tomko! Bret Tomko!
Not to cry wolf but this game became pathetic very fast.
Peter Abrahan
UPDATE, 11:01 p.m.: I want to be careful how I word this because its important to be accurate in my line of work. So here goes:
It’s an absolute disgrace the Yankees have not scored off Brett Tomko in four innings. A travesty.
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I don’t know Peter, maybe the cashman shouldn’t have released Tomko in favor of meat-tray.
Mama mia!
Well this is fun. AJ lost it VERY quickly.
this inning has been painful to watch
Balks happen, but AJ has just fallen apart…… I thought this might happen after his last start.
What the heck happened to AJ? He was doing really good, then fell apart.
Um. Is this Burnett pitching? Or Joba?
The implosion hits again. Yankee offense has been asleep since Thursday, and the pitching doesn’t seem to be able to stand the pressure of needing to pitch shut outs.
that ball hung up forever. It was like a Ray Guy punt.
Hey Slade, what are you doing tomorrow?
hahaha….
the season is over, thou sayeth the bipolar lohudders…
How do these guys cruise for a couple of innings and then have the wheels fall of the cart?
AJ from amazing to imploding?!?!?! Oh well. Yankees should and will score runs in this one. Gather yourself
unacceptable..Oakland is a terrible hitting team..get your stuff together Yankees…
how does he go from so good to so bad so quickly
This never happens if the infield wasn’t drawn in…
AJ just unravelled after that stolen base.
No two ways about it.
That’s really unfortunate. His stuff was absolutely phenomenal to start the game.
the only thing disgraceful going on tonight is how people are bashing the yanks and giving up on them…the 7.5 game lead they have in the division is there for a reason…not every bad game is the coming of the apocalypse…
I think it was worded pretty well
not a good inning, but hopefully AJ is saving his beastly stuff for Boston
Wow. Just wow. Two horrible starts in a row by A.J. against terrible offensive teams.
I’ll never understand it with this guy. The story of his entire career. He should be absolutely dominant.
UPDATE, 11:01 p.m.: I want to be careful how I word this because its important to be accurate in my line of work. So here goes:
It’s an absolute disgrace the Yankees have not scored off Brett Tomko in four innings. A travesty.
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I don’t know Pete, maybe the cashman shouldn’t have released Tomko in favor of meat-tray.
Oak is horrendous. This is embarrassing
What an odd year for AJ – he’s pitched well, but he has had maybe 4 really dominant starts this year. In most of this starts, he’s walked a tightrope…..mostly because of his walks. Tonight, just a meltdown.
“This never happens if the infield wasn’t drawn in…”
I was thinking the same thing. Really don’t understand pulling in the infield.
Does Girardi really think the team can’t score against Brett Tomko?
It’s the 4th inning and they just game Oakland a free out.
“Yeah its his fault!”
How is 3 consecutive hits not the pitchers fault??
Reason 5 billion why this guy can’t be trusted in the playoffs
Uh oh. The bouncing in the dirt balls are coming!
“AJ just unravelled after that stolen base.
No two ways about it.”
This guy is a MLB pitcher making millions of dollars. He should not unravel at the sight of a stolen base. That can’t possibly be it.
The offense has been in a slump since 5pm oh no !!!!!! Arod hasn’t had an important hit since he won the game against the Sox at the stadium, he stinks.
It’s the fourth inning of a game against a mediocre team, stop yourselves before it really sounds absurd.
I think he threw all curveballs throughout that entire AB.
A.J. Burnett is getting out pitched by Brett Tomko. Pathetic.
Disclaimer: The following comments have no bearing on the season as a whole; just this game.
This is a very pathetic performance by the Yankees. In the back of my mind, I just had this fear all day that the Yankees might not play very well and let Tomko shut them down. And that’s exactly what they’ve done so far. It is truly pathetic what they’ve done in this game through 4 innings.
Tomko was supposed to get the TKO in the 4th not AJ – stupid crystal ball.
Well that was fun to watch. Not.
so…………………Tomko is good then?
If the Yankees don’t score at least 1 run and make Tomko throw 20+ pitches next inning, I don’t see how they win this game. The A’s have a pretty good bullpen.
Ow, that was painful.
But, just like the last game in Seattle, the hitters have to get something going. Can’t win if you don’t score.
No question, a terrible job by AJ…..very disappointing outing.
No question, a terrible job by AJ…..very disappointing outing.
That was terrible. But if this lineup can’t score 3 runs off of Tomko than that is even worse than AJ giving up 3 runs in 1 inning to this horrible lineup.
Too bad the Yankees can’t call on Tomko to relieve AJ.
HAHAHAHAHA….
You people need to get a grip. They have been playing .800 baseball for a month. They may lose two games in a row….and if that happens, they will still have a 7 game lead in the toughest division in baseball…
Hey! My home town are the champs!
now the Yankees sphincters will be wound so tight everyone’s going to be lunging at balls out of the zone and making first pitch outs etc. and make Tomko look like Halladay out there.
If AJ goes 7 and lets up 3 runs and win the game is this a terrible outing????
the A’s bullpen is pretty good
Just goes to show that in the game of baseball, anything can happen on any given night.
A pitcher who is really good can have a horrid stretch (witness Andy earlier) and a pitcher who is just okay – or less – have a great game (witness Tomko so far).
The game is far from over, but with a 7.5 lead, it doesn’t sting quite as much. I have a sneaking hunch this isn’t the beginning of a slump, so rest easy. Life happens.
Obviously the game isn’t close to over but at least Boston didn’t play today it would only be half a game.
Tomko looking sharp and Aceves is looking pretty shaky.
Brian Cashman – REALLY KNOWS PITCHING! From the guy who gave you Jaret Wright and 4 years of Pavano
We are so good at hiting pop ups
AJ really pitched very well this year, but mostly because he’s been able to avoid those big innings. He just did a bad job here…..unfortunately. He did the same thing against Toronto……..I hope he’s not regressing.
In the meantime, the Yanks are struggling against Tomko. Nice……
not to mention signing Igawa. cant forget that with Cashman’s list of accomplishments.
First of all his outing isn’t over.
“HAHAHAHAHA….
You people need to get a grip. They have been playing .800 baseball for a month. They may lose two games in a row….and if that happens, they will still have a 7 game lead in the toughest division in baseball…”
Just kind of said the same thing.
Tomko = GOD
Melky is way off. Lifting too many balls in the air instead of hitting line drives. At least he is still hitting the other way.
Melks needs some extended time off.. he looks very tired.
“Brian Cashman – REALLY KNOWS PITCHING! From the guy who gave you Jaret Wright and 4 years of Pavano”
You must be related to RDM.
The whole lineup seems to be sleeping tonight…
“Oakland has a lineup featuring Scott Hairston at cleanup and Brett Tomko on the mound and it’s 3-0 in the fourth inning. Brutal.”
This is definitely not the apocalypse, but that’s exactly what makes this showing so far extremely embarrassing. Its freaking ridiculous.
I imagine their bodies are feeling like it’s almost 11:30 pm too…
What ws scarier? Burnett failing to execute a pitch with a runner on 3rd or the fact he didnt realize he had just struck out the batter and it was the 3rd out?
Johnny D, third time is a charm here????
Jeter is the only one not uppercutting his swing.
It’s only the 4th inning. Let’s not bury AJ yet. It wouldn’t be surprising at all if he cruised through the rest of the game.
He had a bad inning. It was self-inflected. Ok fine. Move on.
It’s way too premature to say stuff about him have a “bad outing” while it might be only 50% complete.
well at least the captain isn’t showing tomko any mercy
This is brutal, Melky swings from the waist up. He uses no power from below the waist.
Tomko > AJ
well done, Brian Cashman.
when is brett gardner coming back………?
Jeter and Tex have had the best at bats today. Damon also hit the ball hard but nothing to show for it.
is there any good team more adept than this one at rolling over and playing dead out of nowhere after looking so good right beforehand?
at least we are seeing frustration from the hitters. last year, they shrugged it off like they couldnt have cared less.
I hate the games when it seems they don’t even care.
game ain’t over yet
The infield being drawn in was just asinine, I’m sorry. What does that tell the players? It tells them that their manager has no confidence in them to score……terrible job by Joe.
I don’t want to see that stupid Zieglermeister.
I walk away for 5 minutes to prep lunch for tomorrow.
I come back to find we have not only lost the game tonight, but we have been eliminated in the first round of the playoffs as well.
Wow. I will never make lunch again!
rolling ove rand playing dead?
the team with what I believe is the most come back victories in the league? What games have you been watching?
This offense can be so frustrating at times. When they’re not hitting homeruns, they make such easy outs. How often does this team rally and hit 4 consecutive singles, or get a couple of guys on base and hit a liner in the gap?
this should pretty much demonstrate why Melky Cabrera is not and never will be an everyday player.
case closed.
lol that was in the right handed batters box
that was 10 feet outside
5 shout out innings for AAA Tomko. You just have to laugh…
Wow. This game…
If you can accept the fact that no matter how much we revere these players, they are nevertheless human, it makes it much easier to be chill about these staggering events, such as bad innings pitched.
And if I knew how to make those rolling eyes, I would put them right here —>
that would have hit the batter if it was the right handed hitter.
Awful call by the ump, that was at least a foot outside
That wasn’t even close to a strike.
No idea how this game will turn out, but I had a feeling Tomko would pitch well. Hope they’re able to snap out of it.
That pitch was NOT EVEN CLOSE
sigh
pitch is easily 4 inches off the corner….hahaha
Ha! Even Gameday agrees with Johnny. Strike zone seems as wide as the foul territory there.
“is there any good team more adept than this one at rolling over and playing dead out of nowhere after looking so good right beforehand?”
Was this a joke. You do realize they have the best record in baseball right? How many games have you watched this year where you can say this team rolled over and played dead??? Maybe flashbacks to last year. Not this year certainly.
And is there a more team adept?? Yes start with the Red Sox
tj-
You are definitely a glass half empty type aren’t you???
waaaaaaay outside:
http://brooksbaseball.net/pfx/.....v_size=500
really dreading a brett tomko “told you so” post game interview
“Tomko > AJ
well done, Brian Cashman.”
No CB this must be related to RDM.
Now we’ll have to listen to Girardi and his tired act cap tipping routine after the game and how good a pitcher Brett Tomko is (ORLY? THEN WHY DID YOU CUT HIM?)
Who could have predicted Tomko shutting out the Yankees through 5. If the Yankees can’t rally back, A-Rod needs to take the heat. Bases loaded and he hits a tapper back to the pitcher. Brutal. And I’m a A-Rod fan.
“tj
August 17th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
this should pretty much demonstrate why Melky Cabrera is not and never will be an everyday player.
case closed.”
you and RDM are prefect reasons why GOD invented the ignore button. Too bad we don’t have one here.
Brett tomko? This is awesome….
That was a disgrace of a call. Now that is embarassing
Letting Tomko beat you – this is brutal.
Not executing doesn’t mean they don’t care…………Is it their approach or just the fact that they are human and were bound to come down to earth? If it’s their approach, I don’t understand why all of a sudden they would change……If it’s the latter, it happens. That said, it’s not THAT early in the game anymore.
This offense can be so frustrating at times. When they’re not hitting homeruns, they make such easy outs. How often does this team rally and hit 4 consecutive singles, or get a couple of guys on base and hit a liner in the gap?
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Total Runs scored – Runs scored with men on base via HR = X
i think this is a game joe girardi needs to go out at some point and argue with an ump…. get thrown out of the game and get the team fired up…. something…….
hey now – look at who caught a pop up
Maybe going to the west coast has finally caught up to them today…It can’t be that Tomko is pitching good enough to get these guys out…
fyi, girardi didnt cut tomko, cashman did.
Tomko’s line: 5 IP, 5 hits, 0 runs, 1 BB, 1 K.
Embarrassing. The guy got his retribution, that’s for sure.
I really hate it when guys get a chance to “get the Yankees back”, because it always seems like they do. I don’t know what the real track record is, but it just really seems like they fail miserably any time their facing a former teammate with a grudge.
OK, who is impersonating AJ out on the mound?
Okay. I just checked the calender and it’s NOT April 1st.
“That was a disgrace of a call. Now that is embarassing”
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it really is. hard to see how you can mess that up
ON A FASTBALL
sliders or curves are one thing… but not on a straight fastball
pitiful
Let Tomko enjoy it while it lasts. Come the postseason, we’ll still be playing meaningful games while he’s at home, watching on TV while he clips his toe nails.
That was a dumb poll by YES. Did they honestly think Smith, Wagner, or Ripken had a chance?
“tj
August 17th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
this should pretty much demonstrate why Melky Cabrera is not and never will be an everyday player.
case closed.”
you and RDM are prefect reasons why GOD invented the ignore button. Too bad we don’t have one here.
in 2 years i’ll still be here but Melk Dud will be playing in some independent league or out of baseball all together.
tj -
It’s not a big deal. It’s one game. And it isn’t over. And if Tomko pitches well, so be it. The sun will come up tomorrow, the Yankees will still be in first place, and things will be rosy. Don’t let a few bad innings do you in.
Nice play by Tex no one covering first behind him, AJ asleep
Pick off? Wow.
He picked Pennington as clean as a chicken’s neck.
“I walk away for 5 minutes to prep lunch for tomorrow. I come back to find we have not only lost the game tonight, but we have been eliminated in the first round of the playoffs as well. Wow. I will never make lunch again!”
Erica, you are really the best this blog has to offer, after Pete’s contributions, of course.
I love that kid.
dude – you are not playing the Red Sox – try to steal and there is a great chance you will be caught!
wow, they are lucky teix was heads up….jorge and aj both asleep at the wheel there..
ok easy 5th… time to perk up.
number18 August 17th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
i think this is a game joe girardi needs to go out at some point and argue with an ump…. get thrown out of the game and get the team fired up…. something…….
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Maybe resign Tomko?
some retribution — even if Tomko gets the win, he’s on a team that will be 19 games out of first place.
Take that, Yankees.
if AJ can hold it we will get to Tomko. In my opinion Tomko isn’t pitching great its just that we are hacking at pitches out of the zone.
tj
you and RDM are prefect reasons why GOD invented the ignore button. Too bad we don’t have one here.
in 2 years i’ll still be here but Melk Dud will be playing in some independent league or out of baseball all together.
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I smell an opportunity here. Would you care to put some money on it and make this interesting??
Melky will still be in MLB (but we can only hope you will not be here)
As a Yankee fan, we reserve recent shame until October.
j/k.
Enjoy it while it last Brett.
Let’s not coronate cashman cause he signed CC. He still left us with no depth hence Mitre
Replace “the ignore button” with “condoms,” DT.
Thank god Farnsworth doesn’t play for a contending team, because he would shut down the Yankees as well.
could this game be going any faster?
Tomko shut this line up out for 5 innings straight,and the Yankees kept Mitre as the better pitcher.
He’s showing Joe,Eiland,and Cashman how foolish that was,to let him go.
Can we trade Jesus Montero, Austin Jackson, and Phil Hughes for Tomko?
Na the A’s would never do it…A guy can dream tho
YanksFan
August 17th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
“I walk away for 5 minutes to prep lunch for tomorrow. I come back to find we have not only lost the game tonight, but we have been eliminated in the first round of the playoffs as well. Wow. I will never make lunch again!”
Erica, you are really the best this blog has to offer, after Pete’s contributions, of course.
*****
Awww, thanks Yanksfan
Yankees Offense
2nd best BA
2nd in Runs Scored
1st in HRs
1st in On Base Percentage
2nd in Hits
1st in Slugging
Are we really going to complain about production and reliance on HRs??? As well as this game being finished because they are incapable of scoring??
A’s are smart they got Tomko out of the game before he can be smacked around.
yaaay tomko AKA tim lincecum is out of the game…. now maybe we have a chance
I don’t remember Tomko being anywhere near this good with the Yankees – maybe it’s the magic goatee…or playing for a team that has zero pressure to win
I hate this stupid park.
My stomach hurts watching this game
Brett Tomko = 1st Ballot HOFer.
Swinging at the first pitch isn’t working though, just as a news flash.
Who here wanted Tomko around before he was released?
When he choked it up against the Phillies?
Be honest!!
What’s with the early swings? Dinner plans?
:/
no depth? what do you want, 15 pitchers? hughes and aceves went to the pen, kennedy had an aneurysm, so on… what did boston’s ‘depth’ get them exactly?
Why aren’t they taking any pitches at all?
holy crap… 3 pitches and 2 guys out… way to swing away at the first pitch a-rod….
Tomko seems to be in a long line of pitchers that sucked for the Yankees yet magically becomes the ace on his new team. And to add insult to injury, shuts down the Yankees, to boot!
“tj
August 17th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
if we lose to Brett Tomko that’ll be an indication that this team isn’t going anywhere this season, a first round demise at best.”
I hope you guys are writing down every magical thing tj says.
He is brilliant. What analysis. Amazing stuff. I am floored.
If we lose to Tomko we are doomed in the playoffs. (if we even get there!)
“Tomko shut this line up out for 5 innings straight,and the Yankees kept Mitre as the better pitcher.
He’s showing Joe,Eiland,and Cashman how foolish that was,to let him go.”
He’s just having one of those days, heck the Yankees are in game 5 of thier road trip, you know, you just know that Tomko would be bombed in NY, don’t even start that nonsense.
Arod how about taking a pitch?!! Just unreal how bad the at bats are today.
If Melky Cabrera is still the starting outfielder on this team in two years from now I will streak across the Yankee Stadium field.
The New York Doppelgangers.
This is pathetic.
Are the Yankees mailing this one in? It’s almost like they’d rather go to BOS and play a real team.
ATTN LoHud. Here is the deal:
I am going to jump in the shower now. When I come out, the Yankee stink will magically be gone!
I was probably the only person on this forum defending Tomko when he said he thought the Yankees didn’t do right by him – and that’s because I agreed with him. So anyone here who is playing the hurt role right now is a downright fraud. This forum was SCREAMING to get rid of Tomko. So stop acting silly, like you think it was a mistake to get rid of him and blaming Girardi and/or Cashman for it.
You really have to learn to deal with life’s eventualities. If Tomko gets us tonight, so be it. And good for him. I certainly don’t take that as any great affront. It’s one flippin game!!!
now i wouldnt hit panic, but this is starting to feel like one of thse slumps is coming up. would be nice if it ends before the series in boston.
“tj
August 17th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
if we lose to Brett Tomko that’ll be an indication that this team isn’t going anywhere this season, a first round demise at best”
7.5 game lead and our demise is waiting. LMAO
It’s weird because seeing coming Tomko out of this game pretty much felt the same as when Girardi used to give the hook.
RELIEF.
Tomko is going to get credit for a shutout of the Yankees,
h o w is that possible?
If they are tired today I can only imagine how they will be for the Boston series. You have to love Wednesday’s get away 7 pm game. They won’t get into NY until 10 am or so. That is a joke…
Serious question. Is tj really RDM or a Sux troll? I don’t really recognize the screenname, but it doesn’t seem to be someone who is terribly balanced.
and Texas with a 1 game lead in the wild card
20 minutes left for Strasburg!!!
“Tomko is going to get credit for a shutout of the Yankees,
h o w is that possible?”
It’s not since he’s out of the game. You only get credit for a shutout if you go the distance.
this is fuking embarssing
A little cranky tonight, Pete? Relax, man. It’s baseball. Even stiffs throw five shutout every now and again.
Oh please Kenny that was no where near his head. damn
I think the Yankee hitters must have heard all the Lohud bloggers’ complaints about having to stay up past 1 AM to watch the team, and now they’re doing their best to finish the game quickly. That must be it.
This whole game changed when Alex swung at a first pitch slider that wasn’t even a strike. Come playoff time, teams are probably going to pitch around Tex to get to A-Rod since he’s not feeling 100% and hitting only .250. Could be a problem.
“Serious question. Is tj really RDM or a Sux troll?”
I don’t think you can be one without the other…
How can they be losing to tomko? Maybe they should have kept him for the 5th spot.
Hi all. Just got back from watching Scranton beat up the Durham Bulls. 9-3
Towers only gave up 2 hits, but was not very imoressive.
Melacon gave up 2 runs in 2 ip without a hit or a even a hard hit ball. HBP- BB -WP a couple of groundouts.
Albie got hit hard in 1 ip.
AJax is one smooth cat. Looking at him out in CF reminds me a little of Mickey Rivers.
They’d better get out of this funk and soon………this road trip could turn ugly……
AJ can probably go this whole game, need some runs guys.
Brett Tomko is in a contract year.
Ok so they’ll come back around the 7th inning or something.
Nonsense when he’s beating the Yankees,please open your eyes.
They’re not in NY,deal with it.Yankess had bases loaded and didn’t score any runs.
This John flaherty is a pervert.
somebody on here said last that John knows what he is talking about.
Dream on!
He said that AJ and Brett have similar stuff. If by similar, he means they both throw baseballs for a living, then he’s right. Other than that, no.
He then says that Brett should feel good about himself.
Brett was angry that we DFA’d him for being a worthless valueless human being and pitcher, and he’s angry, and Flash is all up on him.
Sickening.
The greatest organization in all of sports actually employs John Flaherty. Hey John, you couldnt make it catching Wakefield’s knuckleball, so you came crawling back to us, you bum.
ive said this many times on here and i dont knw why i continue but reading the comments on here when the yanks are losing, is so much worse than actually watching the yanks play bad…
“fans” think thats its their right for this team to win every day other wise they are “not trying”…what does that even mean..what would this place be like now if the yanks and sox were neck-in-neck in the division…god help us
road trip could turn ugly?? one loss could change the whole trip with CC pitching tomorrow???? They just took 3 out of 4 and this game is far from over
Believe it or not, this goes in the books as a quality start for A.J.
Playing the infield in really hurt.
AJ has completely settled down.
I’m really unclear why they played the infield in in the 4th inning while facing Brett Tomko?
That just makes no sense.
“They’d better get out of this funk and soon………this road trip could turn ugly……”
WHAT FUNK!? it’s only been a game and a half! Literally yesterday and tonight isn’t even over. This is what happens in road trips.
Worst case scenario if they lose tonight, they’ve knocked 5 away games off the schedule and picked up 1/2 a game on this road trip.
And still time to go tonight.
Not predicting a lost or anything but doesn’t CC pitch historically, bad against Oakland? Doesn’t have the greatest numbers against them.
The Phranchise August 17th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
road trip could turn ugly?? one loss could change the whole trip with CC pitching tomorrow???? They just took 3 out of 4 and this game is far from over
If they can’t hit Tomko, I don’t believe they will score for CC.
Yankees look dead out there.
flat as a stack of IHOP pancakes.
apparently for yankee lefties, the righty batter box is also a strike tonight.
They still got this game.
They do.
We all know it.
wow Cano…
“They’d better get out of this funk and soon………this road trip could turn ugly……”
geez…
Quality at bat there. Nice.
Come on Swish, get on start a rally
Cano had to swing at that, Mike Winters was ready to call it a strike.
Hopefully CC has a good game tomorrow and the offense wakes up. Especially knowing that Gaudin is pitching Wed. tomorrow is a simi most win. They don’t want this to turn into a bigger losing streak.
What is your opinion of how the Yankees handled Tomko while he was a Yankee. Do you feel they treated him fairly. He had a great spring and was overlooked in favor of a couple of righthanders who are no longer with the team.
Does Nick Swisher have down syndrome?
“He said that AJ and Brett have similar stuff. If by similar, he means they both throw baseballs for a living, then he’s right. Other than that, no.”
John has this soft cuddly spot for hardworking scrubs, he also had a bit of a crush on Cody Ransom remember?
“They’d better get out of this funk and soon………this road trip could turn ugly……”
Yeah because they just took 3 out of 4 from Seattle and are losing in the 7th inning. Oh my god! They may only be 3-2 after this game! Was that the “slump” you were refering to?
Cashman better start burning up the phones, gotta make some trades. Can’t go to battle with these bums, they’re only 30 freaking games over .500. A 7 game lead in mid-August is completely unnacceptable.
If Steinbrenner was alive he’d slap cashman for cutting Tomko.
Flippin!! Only from a woman does that sound cool.
From my corner… Tomko did a credible job for the Yanks and was caught up in their “least important pitcher on the team” stuff — replaceable and never looked like he was in enuf control while on the mound.
“Does Nick Swisher have down syndrome?”
as in down the line right?
There you go Swish.
Melky needs to stop golfing, level the swing out
Hairston should pinch hit for Melky…
Come on, Jim……did Flaherty say that AJ and Tomko have similar stuff?
I’m glad AJ settled down, but he didn’t do a good job in that 4th inning. You can blame the offense – and they’ve been putrid tonight – but he had a chance to minimize the damage. The problem is that this start is just like his last start……it’s not like the A’s are the 27 Yankees.
ok Melky – your turn
“Does Nick Swisher have down syndrome?”
Not cool, man. Not cool at all, and not funny in the least.
Ugly game tonight. It’s not over but jeez I don’t want to stay up till 1 AM watching a crappy loss
Losing this game would be disappointing because CC has a terrible record/ERA at this stadium and Gaudin is pitching on Wednesday. This series is no gimme.
Today might have been one of the most lopsided matchups in favor of the Yankees all season, and not taking advantage of that would be sad.
“If Steinbrenner was alive he’d slap cashman for cutting Tomko.”
HE’S STILL A SCRUB!
They havent looked this dead in a long time. I’ll be real shocked if they can somehow win tonight!!
horrible baserunning…Must tag there if its over his head you score easily Swish…my god
Phranchise, ugly was overstating it…….of course I have faith in CC. However, the offense is looking truly putrid – you have to score runs to win. Right now, it looks like scoring a run for them is as easy as pulling teeth
having seen that play..you know what..yes he does have down syndrome
Ruhi Cant:
Totally uncalled for comment. Kind of low class imo.
John Flaherty shouldnt be analyzing his own skin, never mind baseball.
As for Brett Tomko, he is what he is. A valueless human being and a stain on society.
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Does this game even matter? The Sox will still be 7 games back in the loss column even if the Yankees win. So…. Does it really matter? Everybody knows only the loss column matters.
Melky is running on fumes, Gardenhoser needs to get back in the next few weeks.
Pinch hitting Hairston for Pena …. uhhh….
I guess there are no other options vs the lefty
He doesnt need to tag there at all.
dtv
August 17th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
If Steinbrenner was alive he’d slap cashman for cutting Tomko.
are you related to tj?
is there a contest for sounding stupid tonight?
Come back Brett, as soon as you can. Melky has looked horrible lately.
Darn, our guys must be tired. That three hour time difference can be tough. But there are still more innings to go. Hit, Hit.
Thanks for showing up tonight Yankees. Really appreciate it, especially with the game going well past midnight tonight.
oakland needs a new staudim den we might play betta hea =dddddddddd
how many popups today?
Yanks and the joke football stadium do not go together. They have had 1 million fly balls.
May be Yankees need to think about to move A-Rod to #7.
The luckly No may be to help him improve his poor hitting.
Swish does not have down syndrome but he does have ADHD he even said it I think
Knock the downs crap off. It is not funny, and if you think it is funny, I invite you to come and work with students who suffer from it.
ok- good night all…I have early meetings and it’s turned into a cesspool in here…
Ugh @ this game.
If i ever meet Brett TOmko in real life, and I very well might meet him bagging my groceries,
I’d spit right in his face.
Big park, big swings from the Yankees tonight.
Melky hit that ball on the screws…he hit it right at someone…that’s baseball folks…
The Yankees are down to their last 6 outs.
This is the first game in a long time that I have little confidence in them making a comeback. The bats just look too flat.
I’ve had a though all evening: what is the Yankee record when Matsui is out of the line up? It just seems like the bats are the flattest when he isn’t playing. But maybe my impression is just tainted by the last two games.
Jim Pir-one August 17th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
If i ever meet Brett TOmko in real life, and I very well might meet him bagging my groceries,
I’d spit right in his face.
lol i laughed at that
Yeah the offense is “putrid” they only have the highest scoring offense in all of baseball.
Oh maybe you were talking about the Seattle series? Uhhhhhh no because they scored 11,4,5,and 3 runs in those games.
Just like your description of AJ’s outing as “terrible”. 6 innings so far and 3 runs allowed. Yup, that’s really terrible. Awful.
Not cool, man. Not cool at all, and not funny in the least.
Oh!!!!!!! So he is!
My bad.
C’mon Corky!!! Play the $h!t outta right field!!!
Some more draft signings are being announced and WOW did Heathcott and his agent really take the Yankees to town. They REALLY overpaid for him but he had them by the junk. Seems like overpaying for Heathcott is the reason they couldn’t get Lyons.
Is it all the foul ground that has made the AB’s look so putrid or are they just taking a night off?
Jim Pir-one August 17th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
John Flaherty shouldnt be analyzing his own skin, never mind baseball.
As for Brett Tomko, he is what he is. A valueless human being and a stain on society.
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that valueless human being just shut down the best offense in baseball
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And common decency has apparently gone right out the window
“Rishi
August 17th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
ok- good night all…I have early meetings and it’s turned into a cesspool in here…”
I hear ya. I’m out too.
Pete, have fun with the trolls and nut cases.
5 mins till Strausburg…he didnt sign yet right?
WTF IS GOING ON HERE???!?!?!?
Knock the downs crap off. It is not funny, and if you think it is funny, I invite you to come and work with students who suffer from it.
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May people with Downs make downs jokes? People with family? People with distant relatives? Friends? Girlfriend?
Just when is it allowed?
DT-
Don’t leave me to battle alone!!!!! At least come back when they tie it
Is it me or does Georgy attract more foul balls off his mask in a week than most catchers do in a month? I mean I’m scared for him.
These losers are mentioning how many draft picks we’ve signed.
Who cares, it’s not like we ever hear anything about them.
Peter Gammons aint ever going to disucss our prospects.
And we know that YES would rather lick clean the other teams than ever mention our prospects.
The most information I get about our young guys is from this blog and mainly SJ44
AJ complete game loss?
AJ had 2 outs, gets out of that and it was a good start. Still 7+ innngs allowing 3 runs is good enough to win a game or should be.
Next inning Jeter, Damon, Tex up is their best chance to stick sum runs up there.
Brett Tomko has made over $20M in his career, I don’t think he’ll be bagging groceries in this lifetime.
1997 Cincinnati Reds $150,000
1998 Cincinnati Reds $230,000
1999 Cincinnati Reds $400,000
2001 Seattle Mariners $1,100,000
2002 San Diego Padres $1,100,000
2003 St. Louis Cardinals $3,300,000
2004 San Francisco Giants $1,200,000
2005 San Francisco Giants $2,650,000
2006 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,600,000
2007 Los Angeles Dodgers $4,100,000
2008 Kansas City Royals $3,000,000
Career (may be incomplete) $20,830,000
You’re wasting your time, Coach, Melky’s long since been tried & convicted on this blog for having the audacity to actually be in a slump.
Jim Pir-one
August 17th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
These losers are mentioning how many draft picks we’ve signed.
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What world are you in exactly???? Half the conversation on this blog is devoted to minor leaguers and prospects.
dont forget a-rod is up 4th.
Seriously… What the heck is going on here?
Ruhi Cant-
What makes you think Swisher has Downs syndrome — his broad forehead?
This game comes down to the Arod AB. Tomko gained confidence there, and because the Yankees couldn’t score in that inning, Girardi decided to draw the infield in for the A’s.
I think Swish has OCD
Jim Pir-one
August 17th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
If i ever meet Brett TOmko in real life, and I very well might meet him bagging my groceries,
I’d spit right in his face.
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Big talk, huh? Better be careful around your neighborhood. Some three year old girl will knock the crap out of you.
“f Steinbrenner was alive he’d slap cashman for cutting Tomko.”
Yea cause he was AWESOME here.
When we are losing and not playing well you really see the true identity of this blog.
Strasburg, anyone?
havent heard that he signed…
3 min to go
Dtv
If by shutting down, you mean giving up hard hit balls and getting lucky, getting a cheap call on Johnny D, and deciding he was going to throw strikes for a change, then yes.
Valueless, worthless, He has no internal value, therefore, no external value.
Do the Nats blink and give up the dough???
You know that the training staff cringed when Bobby Crosby made that basket catch.
Most brittle players ever? Crosby? Chavez? Pavano (aka as Bubble Rap)
GreenBeret7
August 17th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Jim Pir-one
August 17th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
If i ever meet Brett TOmko in real life, and I very well might meet him bagging my groceries,
I’d spit right in his face.
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Big talk, huh? Better be careful around your neighborhood. Some three year old girl will knock the crap out of you.
*****
I’d kind of like to do that myself. In my butterfly raincoat.
You’re wasting your time, Coach, Melky’s long since been tried & convicted on this blog for having the audacity to actually be in a slump.
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he’s not in a slump his numbers right now, BA and OBP are his career averages. this is what he is, it’s not a slump.
“May be Yankees need to think about to move A-Rod to #7.
The luckly No may be to help him improve his poor hitting.”
Maybe you need to get off whatever your on?
midnight. how bout it strasburg?
Yanks need good field position on this kickoff.
RS August 17th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
This game comes down to the Arod AB. Tomko gained confidence there, and because the Yankees couldn’t score in that inning, Girardi decided to draw the infield in for the A’s.
This game comes down to us sucking for 7 innings.
Are these early signs of things to come? Colorado used to have all sorts of problems scoring on the road. It was know as Coors Field Syndrome. Players would get psyched out when not playing in the friendly confines of Coors Field.
GreenBeret7 -
Pathetic.
I guess you couldnt see the attempt at a joke there, followed by the anger.
aj is not the one to blame thats for sure…most people would of signed up for 7 innings (and hes prbly not done) of 3 run ball considering we were facing tomko…
lets see the offense come alive now…please?
If I wasn’t a Yankee fan I would still come here just for the entertainment factor. Its unbelievably funny how some of you make so many silly comments when the team is losing like they are in this game.
This umps zone is horrid
m August 17th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
You know that the training staff cringed when Bobby Crosby made that basket catch.
Most brittle players ever? Crosby? Chavez? Pavano (aka as Bubble Rap)
Id say Mark Prior..so much potential…its sad really
AJ really has pitched well…outside of the 4th inning. Balking in a run was pretty ugly, though.
Sterling was talking at the time about how Ellis is Oakland’s hottest hitter, and Cust is one of their coldest. I was thinking, “why not walk Ellis then (1st base was open), and face Cust?” Instead, the balk happened and then Ellis got an RBI hit. Cust struck out to end the inning. What would have happened if they had just walked Ellis?
Then again, the Yankees haven’t had too much luck with the intentional walk thing this season, have they?
jeter is fighting for the batting title this year. extend him now. the Rivera special, 3/45
Lucky duck! Nice hit Jetes!
UPDATE, 11:01 p.m.: I want to be careful how I word this because its important to be accurate in my line of work. So here goes:
It’s an absolute disgrace the Yankees have not scored off Brett Tomko in four innings. A travesty.
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Come on, Pete, don’t beat around the bush, tell it like it is!
Yankees are totally out of sync in this game, could be a sign of fatigue.
Bronx Jeers
August 18th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Yanks need good field position on this kickoff.
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They need Tommy Hill to return an interception to win the game.
Those balls he is calling strikes are causing them now to swing at bad pitches. Blows
This is not MPB Johnny Damon’s night
The top 3 guys in the lineup are the only guys awake tonight..
“Are these early signs of things to come? Colorado used to have all sorts of problems scoring on the road. It was know as Coors Field Syndrome. Players would get psyched out when not playing in the friendly confines of Coors Field.”
they have one of the best road records in the game
Jeter is on fire lately. Avg. up to .327.
Damon hit that hard but right at him.
Just not Johnny’s night. Two almost homers, a bad called strike three and a line out
Ok everybody think rally.
Damon needs to put a guidance system in his bat.
This game is so insanely frustrating.
No more fly balls in this joke ballpark please…
crushing the ball this inning and just a single to show for it
Ralph
August 18th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Ok everybody think rally.
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Rally
Rally
Rally
Rally
Rally
they are hitting the ball hard it’s just hitting gloves tonight.
This stupid ball-park.
good time to poke one out
This game just wasnt meant to be, hard hit balls over the place, and nothing to show for it. We’ll get them next game.
We DFA a sick loser and he decides to show up against us.
The Red Sox DFA anyone and everyone, and they all bow down and lick the Sox clean.
You think rally.
I’m thinking field goal.
Rally!
Come on Alex.
Just get on base and bring the tying run to the plate.
Maybe we should forfeit the rest of the series.
The ole timers obviously need R&R and some I&I
The most frustrating games are ones like today where the offense hits the ball hard and has nothing to show for it.
Scoring 0 runs against Beckett because he’s dominating with 8 K’s is one thing, but putting so many balls in play and not even being able to advance runners is frustrating.
Erica – always OPPC
August 17th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
GreenBeret7
August 17th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Jim Pir-one
August 17th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
If i ever meet Brett TOmko in real life, and I very well might meet him bagging my groceries,
I’d spit right in his face.
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Big talk, huh? Better be careful around your neighborhood. Some three year old girl will knock the crap out of you.
*****
I’d kind of like to do that myself. In my butterfly raincoat.
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Just make sure not to get any of his blood on that pretty raincoat.
Jim Pir
You really are a dumb ass.
Jim Pir-One:
Does calling people losers make you feel better about yourself?
How about when you say you want to spit on them??
You should be really careful. Never talk about others unless you would want people to talk that way about you
My bad… I apologize to people with Down syndrome. I didn’t realize you guys were here on Pete’s blog tonight thinking you could sign Strasburg……
Cause on a person with down synome would think otherwise.
GB7
A swift kick would be quite bloodless
No excuses – they’ve played in this ballpark before and won……
Heyman is reporting Nats and Strasburg are closing in on a 15 mil/deal.
ARod was facing one the toughest pitchers in baseball.
Not exactly a fair match.
In shock he didn’t ring him up there even though it was low
that was closer to a strike than the one damon was called out on.
What the hell kind of jackass refers to ANY human being who hasn’t murdered 6 million people as valueless?
Come on Jorge.
Can tie it with one swing.
Let me guess another fly ball by Posada here?
Congrats to the Nats.
What’s Jorge’s longest.
I thought he hit one from 53 last season.
I love come from behind wins
I thought the ump was going to punch out Alex there. Seriously.
SO close!
JESUS CHRIST.
We cannot catch a daNM break tonight!
Come on the ump is just ridiculous, all over the place
Erica -
Grow up! If you figure out that i’m angry that Brett just spit in the Yankees faces and I’m angry about it, then you need some help.
Getting my anger out about Tomko does make me feel a tad better about the Yankees losing.
I talk about an opposing team’s player being a loser, and Yankee fans insult another Yankees fan. Excellent! Makes a lot of sense.
Red Sox fans wish death on players, and they all stick by one another.
couldn’t possibly fail more
Posada argues alot for a catcher
Jorge just made me cry.
What are you up there looking for?
especially in the ninth
I’m glad to hear that – good for the Nats.
sigh… a sleepy night
Pretty much everything went wrong tonight. Oh well, just come back tomorrow and win.
Umm..Posada how about swing the bat?? He gets fooled all the time by fastballs right over the plate, just like Arod.
Oh no. Posada in a clutch situation. I expect nothing.
Wait till Jorge’s comes up on the steroid list…. Man won’t that be fun!
It will.
Below the knees is a ball. I mean those outside low pitches are nearly unhittable if ou give those. Clearly is Alex wasn’t rung up on that pitch Jorge shouldn’t have been either.
That Jorge’s a bum. He doesn’t like to protect the plate on either side of the ball. J/K.
close, but a ball:
http://brooksbaseball.net/pfx/.....v_size=500
Yes, Tomko holds no value.
He spit in the Yankees faces, unlike the DFA’ers of the Red Sox who bow down to them. That makes him valueless.
Another louzy one.
is that Posadas first career at bat?
Although the umpiring all year both leagues has been awful
Jim-
Trust me. I am not the one who needs to grow up here. I am not name calling or stamping my feet like a three year old.
And if you are that angry that the Yankees are losing a game, maybe you need some help. Of the professional kind
You also love to talk about the attitudes and habits of Red Sox fans. Maybe you would like to become one. Or maybe trolling on a Red Sox blog would be a much better exercise for you.
Posada is such a failure this season. Hate him.
Great outing for AJ. Sucks he will end up getting a loss.
bottom of the order going to save the game?
Jim-
I am also rather alarmed that you are so into spitting. Maybe you should look into that. Sounds almost like a fetish
Well, it’s the team’s own fault for doing NOTHING against Brett Tomko.
You think they’re going to let Tomko off the hook and then magically score 3+ runs off guys like Zeigler and Bailey? No way.
They had a chance to break the game open in the fourth inning, and didn’t.
I can’t believe AJ is pitching the 8th inning. This is a perfect game to get him out of there and save some bullets for down the stretch. This makes no sense.
0-9 with RISP last 2 games I believe. Hopefully the offense can break out of its funk tomorrow
aj totalled a quality start and the offense let him down.
C Sullivan CF
L Castillo 2B
G Sheffield LF
D Murphy 1B
J Francoeur RF
F Tatis 3B
B Schneider C
A Hernandez SS
L Hernandez P
For those that enjoy worrying and infesting the blog with their negative garbage…..
This was the Mets starting lineup today in their 10-1 loss to the Giants.
Jim Pir-one August 18th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Erica -
Grow up! If you figure out that i’m angry that Brett just spit in the Yankees faces and I’m angry about it, then you need some help.
Getting my anger out about Tomko does make me feel a tad better about the Yankees losing.
I talk about an opposing team’s player being a loser, and Yankee fans insult another Yankees fan. Excellent! Makes a lot of sense.
Red Sox fans wish death on players, and they all stick by one another.
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No one is going to stick by you when you act like an idiot,
They are in a deep funk. Like they were against the NL teams. Really hope it doesn’t carry into Boston.
“Red Sox fans wish death on players, and they all stick by one another.”
We aren’t Red Sox fans. That should be your first clue that what you said is going to find a few people here disgusted with it.
Looked awfully confused up there
Johnny D.
August 18th, 2009 at 12:12 am
Posada is such a failure this season. Hate him.
Yeah cause he never had a clutch hit this year. Those 2 walk off hits, 1 being a 2 run single down by 1 in the 9th – that never happened. Moron.
miggs
At least they scored
Tomko spit in the Yankee’s faces?
Why? Because he did his job tonight?
I know there’s a gridiron on the field but really, it’s not Monday Night Football.
There’s another game tomorrow.
At least the G-men looked OK tonight.
Other than his meltdown in the 4th, AJ pitched a nice game.
Every team goes through a slump. Sox did. Now we are.
I just hope we don’t give back all the cushion we had against the Sox by the end of the weekend.
Jorge sucks, Alex sucks, Aj sucks, Tomko is a god…yadda yadda yadda.
No wonder Matt Holliday’s stats went down the tubes when he had to play in this stadium…. And Giambi was hitting like .190!
Yeah, I’m a moron because Posada can’t hit ****.
They are in a deep funk????
Is everyone dellusional? I guess maybe a deep funk is having two poor games in a row with this team, but for the rest of baseball this is no where close
It’s so crazy that an 18-year old like Strasburg gets a $15 million deal.
They can’t hit HRs in Oakland, thus, they can’t score.
National league is awful. Cards and Giants supposedly the class of the NL and they struggled against the Mets who have maybe 1 or 2 legit major leaguers in the lineup
those NL teams are terrible
cano swish and cabera watch out
Looking at burnett’s first complete game as a Yankee.
A loss???
“You cant drop “Big Game James””
PL – I just saw this. All I can say is “too late”
Seriously I waited a long time before I finaly pulled the trigger on that one. Like until today in fact.
Deep funk = two games?
Apparently, these days.
Erica -
You’re real mature!
I guess you’ve never heard of people wanting to vent when they get angry, and some of the things that are said aren’t really meant.
Venting on a website is an extremely good way of venting. It’s less destructive than other things.
Hmmm, I am angry the Yankees are losing, I need help
Makes sense.
Yea a big 2 game losing streak this is some slump.
Strasburg signed for 4/$15.67
so much for the $50M Boras was throwing out there
AJ goes 8 innings, 3 runs against the last place team and is about to take the loss
Just not fair.
Who is the Oakland closer? Is he any good?
I wonder if fans of the O’s start lamenting that their team is a deep funk when they lose two games.
Rachel,
Really? You think that AJ’s going to let Girardi sit him after just 89 pitches? Or that Girardi would even think of sitting him? It’s not like AJ came started the 8th with his pitch count at 110.
“It’s so crazy that an 18-year old like Strasburg gets a $15 million deal.”
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so crazy that it’s considered a relative steal for the Nationals
RS says:
August 18, 2009 at 12:15 am
It’s so crazy that an 18-year old like Strasburg gets a $15 million deal.
RS apparently doesn’t know baseball.
good hit cano… maybe next time you can get it past the pitcher
“C Sullivan CF
L Castillo 2B
G Sheffield LF
D Murphy 1B
J Francoeur RF
F Tatis 3B
B Schneider C
A Hernandez SS
L Hernandez P
For those that enjoy worrying and infesting the blog with their negative garbage…..
This was the Mets starting lineup today in their 10-1 loss to the Giants.”
At least that lineup scored 1 run! Lol.
Jim-
I am mature because I can control my anger and I don’t type without thinking. Two things you are obviously incapable of based upon your very own words.
Just the very fact that a Yankee loss drives you to “act destructive” is crazy.
I am so done with you. Please don’t bother responding. You’ll only waste your time
FTR:
I feel like my saying Melky is not an everyday player (his current BA and OBP = his career average), saying I’m not sold on this team yet because they go from red hot to dead flat too easily (and after the last few years it’s hard not to imagine this team rolling over in the LDS), and being upset over losing to Brett Tomko is nowhere in the same universe as this moronic comment
(Johnny D.
August 18th, 2009 at 12:12 am
Posada is such a failure this season. Hate him.)
RS,
18 years old? You sure?
The offense has been in a funk for a while. Dating back to the Boston series. They’ve had their moments, but overall, aside from that 11-0 game against Snell they have struggled.
Some of you are just completely clueless.
What f-cking slump are you talking about? A 2 game losing streak? They ripped off 5 wins before that and 12 out of 13.
Just go away.
swung at a ball across his eyes
Yankees’s weakness
1.A-Rod
2.Posoda
3.Swisher
4.Mitre
Its going to be a quick 9th.
The whole NL is awful.
Remember folks… we have Gaudin going on Wednesday
Pathetic game. Can’t believe we couldn’t be that POS Tomko.
Forntoso, AJ did a nice job saving the pen, but he didn’t pitch as well as Tomko and the A’s pitchers. It’s not unfair, just the way it is…He made mistakes in that inning and it cost him dearly.
Strasburg’s 21 isn’t he????
strasburg is in his 20′s he is not 18.
sounds like nice effort tonight.
losing to one of the worst pitchers in baseball is bad…
Yanks have to hope that Arod is just slumping and his hip isn’t acting up. He has looked very bad recently. I hope they interview him after the game you have to wonder what he was thinking swinging at that pitch.
crap
Burnett 4th inning didn’t cost them the game. Absolutely no offense tonight. Their biggest chance was Arod’s 1 out bases loaded AB.
Exactly…… Strasburg is 21.
This is why you can never trust this team in the playoffs… you just never know when they are going to go through their team-wide slump where nobody hits.
“Who is the Oakland closer? Is he any good?”
Very good. One of the bright spots on my fantasy team.
We’ve seen Yankee pitchers pitch complete game losses before. Nothing new, really. Except, usually they come against guys like Halladay.
Is this true? This is only the 3rd shut out of the Yankees this season? I’d feel better about that if it didn’t come against Tomko. I really would.
JJ August 18th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Yankees’s weakness
1.A-Rod –
2.Posoda –
3.Swisher –
4.Mitre – he is our 5th starter!
swinging at everything
2 hr game…
How is it that more trolls show up when the yankees are comfortably in first than when we were losing all the time?
We aren’t Red Sox fans. That should be your first clue that what you said is going to find a few people here disgusted with it.
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It made you so disgusted that you responded with insults of your own! Again, makes sense.
I vent to vent. I usually dont mean a word of it. I will continue venting.
And unlike others, I wont blame our players the majority of the time.
I will blame a loser like Tomko, who decided that this game was important.
Tomko gets the win
Bailey gets the save
Mike Winters gets an assist
Yanks just need to sit A-Rod until the Boston series. He looks worse than he did before the Florida series.
f’in game… what a joke
Please tell me that Gardner will be back tomorrow. Melky is toast and pathetic.
Thanks for wasting another late night for all the East Coast fans.
What a joke, BRETT TOMKO. Just outright pathetic.
“Forntoso, AJ did a nice job saving the pen, but he didn’t pitch as well as Tomko and the A’s pitchers. It’s not unfair, just the way it is…He made mistakes in that inning and it cost him dearly.”
Really. Now AJ did a nice job? Less than an hour ago you called it a “terrible outing”.
I promise that a month from now this game will not be remembered.
Screw you morons.
goodnite.
Congrats on your first complete game AJ!!!!!
Great Job Yankees. What a joke. Can’t believe I stayed up to watch this garbage effort.
Posada not being clutch this year:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....;mode=wrap
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....;mode=wrap
We aren’t Red Sox fans. That should be your first clue that what you said is going to find a few people here disgusted with it.
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It made you so disgusted that you responded with insults of your own! Again, makes sense.
I vent to vent. I usually dont mean a word of it. I will continue venting.
And unlike others, I wont blame our players the majority of the time.
I will blame a loser like Tomko, who decided that this game was important.
What an ugly game.
Back at it tomorrow.
Put this game in a vacuum. It’s not symbolic of what this team is.
Still, it’s a pretty bad effort.
Tomko. *barf*
Girardi ran A-Rod into the ground all summer and now is paying for it.
He had a schedule to follow and he never did. He considered DH as “resting” him rather than giving him a full day off every week like the doctor instructed them to do.
The guy has he like what, 3 full days off since late June?
But seriously, can anyone imagine getting $15 million handed to you as a high school senior? The kid could blow out his arm tomorrow and he’s set up for life.
I promise that a month from now this game will not be remembered.
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Amen.
At least it was quick and painless. No shows tonight. Need to rebound behind CC tomorrow. Give Arod another day off. The problem now is Matsui down. Guess Posada DH, Hairston at third, Molina catching tomorrow? Or Hinske at DH?
Wow….. Just like that…. Sox are 6 games back in the loss column.
“Great Job Yankees. What a joke. Can’t believe I stayed up to watch this garbage effort.”
Co-sign. what a disgrace.
Strasburgh is not a highschool senior.
Posada: 2 walk off hits
1 May – 2 run 1B FTW in the 9th
4 July – Extra inning walk off hit vs Tor.
Yes, that all equals him being a total failure this year
The best team in baseball can’t let Tomko own them. Tough loss for Burnett, CC playing stopper tomorrow.
“we have Gaudin going on Wednesday”
and A’s had Tomko going tonight.
That’s the beauty and horror of baseball. Anything can happen and usually does.
Wow….. Just like that…. Sox are 6 games back in the loss column.
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oh crap, STRIKING DISTANCE!!11
Jim Pir
Why do you get angry at Tomko did he asked to be DFA???
Great effort. Looked like they did against the Washington Nationals.
Next time, can they atleast do it while they are on the East Coast rather than making us stay up to watch that pathetic effort?
Sox six back in the loss column until the Sox take the field to lose some more.
Most embarrassing loss of the year, without question.
AJ had one bad inning, and rebounded well enough.
It is absolutely inexcusable to have been shut out by Brett Tomko. Pathetic. Absolutely, undeniably pathetic.
This Oakland team is awful, and we rolled over and gave that one away. That should not, and CANNOT happen at this point in the season. I don’t care how large a lead you have in the division. Until there you have clinched a berth, your goal is to extend that lead.
No, the season is not over because of one loss. But they played lazy, lackluster baseball, and there is no excuse for that, ever.
RS says:
August 18, 2009 at 12:24 am
But seriously, can anyone imagine getting $15 million handed to you as a high school senior? The kid could blow out his arm tomorrow and he’s set up for life.
Who got handed $15M as a highschool senior???????,??,,,,,,?????.?,?,,?,?!!?,!?,??
“I promise that a month from now this game will not be remembered.”
I forgot it already. I don’t see losing a game 3-0 as any great tragedy. If this can make a guy who is at the tail end of his career feel good for a night, and let a last-place team feel a little validated, what’s the big deal.
You either know what you have in the Yankees or you don’t. And if you are talking like flippin crybabies, then IMO you don’t.
RS,
So, like, Strasburg’s time at SDSU never happened?
We get your point, but it would be more pointed if you got it right.
6 words I thought I’d never see strung together:
Player of the Game: Brett Tomko
“The best team in baseball can’t let Tomko own them. Tough loss for Burnett, CC playing stopper tomorrow.”
And if CC has a bad game or the offense falls asleep again, then we turn to Gaudin to help us avoid a sweep before Boston.
We hit a ton of line drives to the outfield that were caught. Not going to get too worked up about this game. Plus, AJ saved the bullpen.
Burnett pitched a really good game what a shame he got the loss.
Trevor, I disagree…….You can’t say that AJ didn’t do a bad job in that inning. That cost him……He made bad pitches to a bad team and they hit him.
“Wow….. Just like that…. Sox are 6 games back in the loss column.”
WE’RE DOOMED!!!
Scrub Of The Game Award: Brett Tomko
Everyone gets lucky here and there, remember Chase Wright vs CLE, Tyler Clippard vs The Mets, Some latin scrub called IDK from the Mets vs the Yankees.
Yesterday’s game was understandable. Rookie pitcher, Seattle was desperate, Joba was mediocre, but they played hard and the pen imploded late.
Today was just pathetic. They didn’t even show up.
Peace
since the All-Star break, the Red Sox have a worse record than the Washington Nationals, and it’s not due to bad luck.
I’m not saying we write them off, but seriously, they are significantly flawed. They’re not running off a 10-game win streak anytime soon.
Ralph,
I got angry when I heard the 2 opposing YES commentators tell that Tomko was angry.
He had no reason to be angry, he pitched like a bum with us.
He then pumps his fist like some on the blog like to insult Joba for, like he’s good.
LOL @ Tomko he pitched his one good game this year. He will have 6 era by the end of the season.
My bad. I forgot Strasburg was 21. It’s still an insane amount of money to get at such a young age. Even more insane is the idea that he may not have even signed. I know Boras is tough but how could any of these kids consider leaving millions on the table to opt for college?
What kind of effort was that? seriously?
The game took like 2 hours!!
That said, it was a bad performance by the offense. They haven’t really hit in awhile now, with the exception of a few blowouts.
I am off to bed!!! Good night Yankee people!
JIM
I hear you
Oh and Ralph, I bet dollars to donuts, he’d be throwing a game against the RS if given the opportunity.
Atleast the Washington Nationals shut us down with a young talented lefty (Lannan) and some rookie we have never seen.
Tonight we got shut down by Brett Tomko. Probably the most hittable pitcher in baseball. No excuses.
1-2-3 game over. That was easy for the A’s.
Will the Yankees decide to wake up tomorrow? Stay tuned. They do look like they are starting to get into a slump mode. Eh, we all know they will have slumps, might as well be now.
Burnett did his job, but the offense goes into these funks and turns those great pitched games into losses or no decisions.
By the way, ESPN is starting to trumpet Brett Favre’s return to the NFL! I thought he was staying retired. Oh well, we’re talking Brett Favre here, he doesn’t need to actually tell the truth about anything since he doesn’t have to follow the rules other players do – like show up to camp like everybody else. What a putz!
“What kind of effort was that? seriously?
The game took like 2 hours!!”
It’s a long road trip fatigue catches up, what do you want man..someone post thier record after the All Star Break to show how dumb some of you sound here.
That the beauty of baseball there is alway another game
This series isin’t a big deal. Just take one game.
Take one game here, one in Boston. Call it a road trip.
Yeah it would suck to be 5-5 after startign the trip 3-0, but stuff happens…
AJ is going to be so furious during his postgame interview
“And if CC has a bad game or the offense falls asleep again, then we turn to Gaudin to help us avoid a sweep before Boston.”
Sad but true.
Wait guys, I know the truth. I got a buddy in the bay area, says the Yankees have 10 PM reservations at the upscale restaurant he works in
I’m not in any type of “panic mode” but what a mess to lose to this journeyman who’s been on over 13 major league clubs.
He’s had a new team like every year of his career. smh.
Damn the Nats took out the cash for SP
Trevor
August 18th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Burnett 4th inning didn’t cost them the game. Absolutely no offense tonight. Their biggest chance was Arod’s 1 out bases loaded AB.
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I agree Burnett pitched a real good game. The offense let Burnett down.
This is no reflection on the Yankees.
This was a reflection on the lack of integrity of Brett Tomko.
He convinced himself he was wronged, like the RS or RS fans, and he threw strikes tonight.
Oh no the Sox are the same amount of games back when the Yanks swept them, and a whole week has gone by, how will I ever sleep tonight?
I have nothing further to say to you, Jim.
Get some anger management help. I am done.
Straz got 16 million for 4 years.
If we stumble on this road trip, Boston might not need to be the only team worried about Texas…..
The Oakland Ballpark is lame, ridiculous ballpark that’s shared with these Football teams.
Everything literally flies into outfielders glove and freaking insane amounts of space for foul balls to be caught.
Ok so the Nationals need to buy pitching in the offseason
15 million dollar bonus I never thought I’d see a team not called the Yankees or Red Sox or Texas doing that for a HS phenom.
3-0 is nothing. We probably rally from 3-0 atleast 5 times a week.
Burnett didn’t know his offense wouldn’t show up and mail in this game. Especially against Tomko.
No one will remember this game if the bats wake up for tomorrow’s game. But if not it will be tough knowing that Gaudin is pitching Wed. against their best pitcher.
“Straz got 16 million for 4 years.”
You missed the signing bonus, he gets a 16 million head start.
15*
“Tonight we got shut down by Brett Tomko. Probably the most hittable pitcher in baseball. No excuses.”
Well he wasn’t hittable tonight. And when someone isn’t hittable you don’t need an excuse.
I really laugh at the pompous attitude some of you display, as if there’s some kind of sign that says only certain pitcers should ever be able to beat the Yankees. If their offense is off and the other pitcher is doing a half-way decent job, then there is a chance they are going to lose.
It’s over already. Don’t let the past rent space in your mind since you can’t change it. They won’t be facing Tomko again.
Onward and upward. 7 games ahead of the next team isn’t chump change. Don’t worry needlessly – which is what you are all doing.
IMO
CC has a career 7.12 ERA in Oakland. Doesn’t pitch well in his hometown
Good night Angel. Pleasant dreams
I think I’ll find a doctor who provides anger management for typing on the internet
Strasburg’s not a high schooler, he wasn’t even drafted out of high school. He’s a junior in college.
This is not the most embarrassing lost. Losing 2 of 3 (could have gotten swept easily) to the Nationals at home is more embarrassing then this lost. imo
Thank god we don’t have to face Tomko and Pavano in the postseason.
Strasburg this year. Bryce Harper next year.
if they can pull off a few deft moves on top of that and the decent young pitching they already have, there could some fun times in Natstown for the next several years.
Even the pathetic Nationals would have beaten up Tomko tonight….
Have we ever played a game that short all season?
“Strasburg’s not a high schooler, he wasn’t even drafted out of high school. He’s a junior in college.”
I know I got lazy there.
What message does the Nats FO send thier fanbase there? I mean you find 15 million bonus to hand out to Strats, guess what this offseason there is no way you can tell your fanbase we aren’t going after Lackey or Bell or etc.
YAY!!!!!! I am so happy Strasburg signed with the Nats.
Totally not the worst loss of the year. A game when we are 7 games up at the end of the night doesn’t have me going nuts. Now going 0-8 against Boston including the Jason Bay game and losing the 6-0 lead were far worse than this. Yanks just didn’t show up, this is the best offense in baseball for a reason. They will likely have an outburst very soon.
“Even the pathetic Nationals would have beaten up Tomko tonight….”
What’s our record. Yeh ZIP IT.
“Strasburg this year. Bryce Harper next year.
if they can pull off a few deft moves on top of that and the decent young pitching they already have, there could some fun times in Natstown for the next several years.”
You betcha! In the words of Tevye, even a poor tailor deserves some happiness.
Pete you’re right what a disgrace! AJ didn’t wake up until he was smacked for 3.
Now it’s not just a game,it’s 2 in a row.
Yankees must be tired.After watching Chad yesterday,he had better show up and pitch,much better than Sunday.
The ENTIRE team should be ashamed of themselves.
Too bad Steinbrenner isn’t alive to kick them in their tail.
This was not the worst loss of the season, it was the worst effort this team has shown all year.
We’ve had much worse losses, but in this games the team showed up (which is probably why those losses were more painful)
Scor
August 18th, 2009 at 12:39 am
CC has a career 7.12 ERA in Oakland. Doesn’t pitch well in his hometown
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Good, that means he’ll probably pitch a shut out tomorrow!
Erica and Angel
I agree with Jim Pir-one
It is certainly his right to get angry, and what better way than to vent on a Yankees blog. I start screaming at the television when the Sox are not playing well.
I have been on Red Sox blogs, and they are MUCH WORSE.
CC is due to pitch well at home finally, no?
The old George would have flew to Oakland and cursed these guys out
Where is Hank when we need him???? He needs to fly out to the Bay and teach these guys a lesson
What a stinker! But this was an aberration. We’ll take the next two.
ray, long time no see. As you see we have some “the world is over” fans here. Some even calling for daddy Steinbrenner ignoring they have actually played better w/ him taking a timeout. So how are things in beantown?
I’m still pissed off at Joe for pulling the infield in. If I were AJ, I wouldn’t be too thrilled with that.
~dtv
Big Stein is still alive,where have been?
He just a few weeks ago came down to meet the team.
UPDATE, 11:59 a.m.: Need to write my newspaper story. Enjoy the rest of this thrilling game. What a disaster.
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That’s some senseless hyperbole from Pete.
The night wasn’t pretty but it’s far from a disaster.
It’s not that big of a deal.
It doesn’t matter what CC does if this offense doesn’t show up again
Even in the postseason, I’m not worried about the pitching. I’m worried about the offense not showing up like it hasn’t since game 3 of the 04 LCS.
It’s funny how the biggest strength on the team can be our biggest weakness.
“The old George would have flew to Oakland and cursed these guys out”
So what!
I’m not getting worked up at all over this game, but I will say this:
It’s as close as it gets to a “let’s just mail it in” game.
Take the 6th inning: Tex and Arod saw a combined 2 pitches to lead off the inning. That’s not good in anybody’s book.
Al from BK -
This loss is not devastating. But it should be remembered forever for Tomko deciding it was his right to wear the pinstripes, and showing up against us throwing strikes.
What bothers me is the notion that former Yankees like Pavano and Tomko “get up” to play the Yankees. If those pitchers have the ability to get up and pitch well whenever they want to, then why the heck couldn’t they do that when they were in NY? I thought you couldn’t will yourself to do well in baseball.
We got shutout by Tomko and you are concerned about playing the infield in?
Never thought I’d see the day the Washington Nationals have breaking news red btm. line that actually is that.
What is Lou doing?
Thanks ray.
A classy Red Sox fan. Never thought that was possible
I was just angry that Tomko thought he was wronged that he was DFA’d. THen he’s out there pumping his fists like he’s good. It was a slap in the face.
He should be grateful to have ever put on the Yankee pinstripes.
Eric August 18th, 2009 at 12:48 am
The old George would have flew to Oakland and cursed these guys out
Where is Hank when we need him???? He needs to fly out to the Bay and teach these guys a lesson
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How lame.
I tend to doubt even the old George would have been hysterical catching his team’s lead dwindle to a measly 7 games in the standings.
Get a grip, already. It’s not that big of a deal.
There West Coast trips are always tough and it’s not necessarily because of the strength of their opponents.
“We got shutout by Tomko and you are concerned about playing the infield in?”
And we should care about this too why?
I never question the efforts of players, but that was a mail-in game if there ever was one… just like that 3-0 loss to the Nationals.
Even yesterday’s loss that was a blowout was a competitive game. Today’s was non-competitive by the offense.
RS
Exactly. I guess hatred of the Yankees supersedes all.
DAMN KYLE BLANKS!
Damon is PISSSSED bout that called strike 3
“And we should care about this too why?”
It is more relevant than playing the infield in… which turned out to be the right move considering we didn’t hit anyway.
Yeah, Zach – that was asinine of Joe. First off, Joe showed no confidence in his team…..Second, that may have cost us a run.
Boras was seeking 50 MM.The Nat’s offered 12MM,and finally forked over 15MM.Boras got over big time.
A classy Red Sox fan. Never thought that was possible
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I’m not surprised. Ray is consistently a great poster on this board. Even when the Sox were up, he never was one to rub it in.
“It is more relevant than playing the infield in… which turned out to be the right move considering we didn’t hit anyway.”
So they are suddenly going to develope amnesia w/ the bat, quit bitching man. They are in first by 6.5 games.
How is AJ going to finish with 17-18 wins if his offense never shows up?
How did Wang get the offense to show up for him everytime? or Randy Johnson?
Disaster? Really? Humh, I had no idea this was a disaster. A wasted opportunity to push a 7.5 game lead to 8 I’ll grant you but a disaster? Really?
What happened Pete? No turn down service at the Oakland Econolodge? Forget to bring your sweater to the Collesium? What?
Didn’t the Nationals make a very rich offer for Tex? They obviously aren’t completely strapped for cash…
And by the way, I love Swisher. Basically just blew off this loss, said the Yankees are still a great team, and that tonight was just Tomko’s night and that it was definitely meaningful for him to pitch well tonight.
At least the Yankees made one scrub pitcher and scrub team happy for a day. I guess with a 7 game lead they can afford to do these charitable things.
The team is 30 games over .500 and lead the division by 7 games, something tells me they are not thinking about their manager playing the infield in.
Playing the infield in is a tactical strategy. Like intentionally walking someone.
I doubt the players even remember anything about this game right now… they are all out to nice dinners and bars in San Fran while the panicky fans complain at 1 AM on a weeknight.
ray (sox fan)
I don’t call what he did venting. I’ve been on here long enough to recognize venting. But calling players “valuless human beings” well…word vomit would be accurate.
I realize there are worse places out there. That is reason why I post here. I choose not to post on websites that are full grown of adults posting word vomit, for a reason. *shrug*
Erica -
I was name calling a guy whom I’ll never meet. He’ll never read this blog. I dont mean half the stuff I say anyways. In essence, it does not matter what I type.
Mature? It should not matter to you what I type either. Definitely not to the point of kicking the crap out of me.
Get a grip
It’s a Yankees blog, it doesnt mean anything.
Markus panicky fans, spoiled whiney brats is more like it.
I swear this fanbase doesn’t know how to appreciate being a Yankees fan. Not that long ago this team was out of the playoffs, my god learn to appreciate a season.
Tomko handled his interview with a lot of class.
Jim- Definitely Tomko showed up with an axe to grind, obviously shutting down the team that he feels unfairly cut him is poetic justice. We need our ace to be an ace and our vaunted offense to perform like the back of their Topps cards.
Boy, AJ sounded upset in the post-game…….
He blamed himself for the balk – this is two games in a row that he and Jorge have been involved in some kind of miscommunication……….
Complaining about playing the infield in and thinking the players are pissed off at Joe, yeah he only led us to the best record in baseball so far…. lol no wonder they say Yankee fans are spoiled.
It is weird how AJ and Joba have had problems getting on the same page with Posada recently. AJ getting crossed up tonight and Joba is often not on the same page with him.
Angel –
I didnt mean the valueless human being comment anyways.
What would you call a guy who thought it was his right to wear the pinstripes, and was angry at being released. I was angry that he was angry, thats all.
How about a human being with a lack of integrity.
Markus
Playing the infield in is a tactical strategy. Like intentionally walking someone.
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Really? Who knew?
They were facing Tomko, not Beckett. Consequently, it was a poor “tactical strategy.”
Appreciate b/c in the next life time maybe you’ll grow up in another town or rooting for another team srsly think about that karma…I my mind some of these fans would literally slit thier wrist if they were born Mets fan or Nats or Pirates fans. APPRECIATE!
Angel -
I guess the others on the blog insulting Downs Syndrome people was A-OK
Try being a Pirates fan for a week, then come back to us.
“Tomko handled his interview with a lot of class.”
He absolutely did. He was a gentleman, and you could tell that he really misses his Yankee ex-teammates.
I certainly don’t bedrudge him the win.
The geniuses that run the Yankees are acting like that are 10 games ahead with a week to go.
AJ earned the right to be upset. He had one bad inning but pitched a really good game for the rest of it while his bats did nothing.
Losing in 2 hours and 15 or so minutes to this team really sucks but this team has lost to bad pitchers, rookie pitchers, and other assorted scrubs before while beating the Mark Buerhles, Roy Halladays and Jon Lesters of the world. It sucks but tomorrow is a new day.
Did you guys think it was going to be all smooth sailing till the playoffs and we were going to go 30-10 in our next 45 and win 105 games?
Slumps happen, folks. There are still 40 games left. Rather than complaining, enjoy the position we are in. 7 games ahead.
“The geniuses that run the Yankees are acting like that are 10 games ahead with a week to go.”
The dumb… are acting like we just been eliminated from playoffs contention.
Andy Petite is sporting an ERA of 2 in seven starts since the All Star break and has one win to show for it. Think back people, the Yankees show up for the first few innings and then mail it in till the seventh or later. Today it didn’t work. Windmills, popups, flyballs to the warning track. They’re reading their press clippings. Swisher is looking even stupider than usual on CBs. Everybody is going to hit eleventeen HRs. Jeter is looking good, isn’t he. With Matsui out, the rest are playing hero. Even Posada is doing stupid at bats.
Bo doesn’t know jack from what I can see.
What a bunch of baloney.
lol…. man there is never a shortage of idiots in the world, unfortunately… the Yankees lose a couple meaningless games on the west coast with a huge division lead… I’m not surprised at all they haven’t come out w/ huge intensity and their foot on the other team’s throat the last couple of games… they’re playing a couple bad teams who aren’t in any races a thousand miles from home… I’d rather have the Yanks have a couple clunkers in meaningless games now, and have them in gear for playoff time… they aren’t blowing their division lead, they’re still the best team in baseball, and a couple uninspiring performances lately doesn’t change that… Get a clue
So Bo doesn’t know Jack. LOL
Bo Knows
No Bo, they just sucked, and Girardi made a bad decision.
Bo Knows why do u still bother to post anything… all u do is come on here and spew idiotic garbage about how bad our offense is.. why don’t u take a look at the team offense stats in the AL u ****ing clueless moron
Why is everyone acting like this loss was a disaster?
It’s just one game. This is the best team in baseball, and they’ve already shown the ability to overcome the umpires.
Brett Tomko has a lack of integrity. That’s all this game was about.
A Rod LOL
The Dodgers are 14-17 since the ASB
The Cardinals + Albert Pujols were shutdown in CitiField by Nelson Figueroa one sunny day.
LOL this fanbase really is a bunch of cry babies, thank god our players aren’t that way, they’d drive thierselves crazy if that were the case.
Jim Pir-one
Brett Tomko has a lack of integrity.
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Which means what? That the tanked it as a Yankee? No, he was merely lucky with BABIP tonight, and his stuff is more conducive to being a starter than a reliever.
If anything, you could question why the Yankees used him in the pen.
Brandon
Jack I know, it’s the Diddley you specialize in, that I don’t.
“A Rod LOL”
RDM LOL
What’s with Pete? Is he trying out a new comedy act? Or is he (gasp!) vested in this team? He was crankier than we were!
Wasn’t he admonishing fans not to climb out on to the ledge just yesterday?
:confused:
In Bo’s defense -
When you face playoff pitching, the way to win is to work at bats, work every count, draw walks, hope to get key hits.
In recent years, the NYY batters for lack of a better way of saying it, have thrown away games in the postseason by not valuing at bats, swinging at the first pitch, poor situational hitting, etc.
However, I truly believe this team is different.
Bo, if there’s anything you know it is being useless.
Can’t even beat Tomko….bring on the Sox!!
A-Rod owns RDM.
He obviously can’t stop whatever weirdo obsession he has with him. It’s pretty pathetic.
As the famous words of SJ44….”this loss is meaningless to me”
Richie -
I am aware he got many hard hit balls that he was lucky turned into outs.
The key was, he was out there throwing strikes, something he was incapable of doing with us.
“The geniuses that run the Yankees are acting like that are 10 games ahead with a week to go.”
What pray-tell would you want them to do right now? Waiver trades and the deadline for deals has come and gone. They need to play their best, and on Sept. 1st bring up some reinforcements to keep guys rested(Ajax, Cervelli, Shelley, etc.) This is a VERY good team, the 4 game sweep showed me what they are made of. Of course a sweep at Fenway this weekend would be even better.
RDM what’s your favorite team again? (BTW IDK why I care)
Tomko, Lester, Beckett….sigh
There is no one way to win playoff games, and to use any given regular season game as a barometer is absurd.
The Yankees have not received good starting pitching in recent playoff series, they have pressed at times since 2004, and unlike from 1996-2000, they have not been the beneficiaries of luck.
I don’t recall Lester or Beckett beating the Yanks last weekend.
In fact, their team lost both of those games.
Jim Pir-one
No, he did throw strikes as a Yankee, but the problem was that he was used in relief and often brought in with men on base, and throwing strikes at those points of a game is often a negative.
Richie -
I didnt say there was one way to win, I said there was one way to be successful against playoff pitching. Value ABs
Giuseppe Franco
Do you really think you are going to win him over with facts?
Awwh, some feelings are hurt. Nyah, Nyah.
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
I don’t believe this, this is embarassing. I’m caught in a Junior Hi flashback. Yecch.
“RDM what’s your favorite team again? (BTW IDK why I care)”
Brandon I know that’s not a serious question. We know the dude is bitter and unhinged. However, his attributes won’t stop the Yankees from taking the division and the world series.
You think he’s whacked out now? Wait til the Sux are mathematically eliminated!!!
Splatcutter, sigh…
Maybe you’re right Richie, about him throwing strikes with us.
I seem to remember him falling behind 1-0, 2-0, 3-1.
It’s usually not good for pitchers to fall behind in counts repeatedly, I think most would agree.
Jim Pir-one
The Yankees have valued ABs in recent playoff series, but they pressed as a result of inferior starting pitching, bad luck, and imo, a hangover from 2004.
For example, but for the midges, I think they would have beat the Indians in 2007.
Things have just snowballed and they have played tight.
trisha so he’s a red sox fan? if that’s the case RDM oh man are you in for a bad month. BAD.
Richie -
Although I do not agree with us valuing ABs, like against the Tigers in the final game,
our luck was terrible, and it must never be forgotten, that the umpires made clear decisions that they were not going to allow the Yankees to win anyways.
Did Nick in SF go to this game? His absence is suspicious.
Totally, O/T but did you guys see that the Red Sox lost on Ben Affleck’s birthday yet again? He’s not as obnoxious as Dane Cook or as weird as Steven King reading a novel in the stands. And he’s married to one of my favorite actresses, so I won’t hate on him for having the misfortune of being a Red Sox fan. But that’s pretty funny that they can’t seem to win on his birthday.
Richie -
How could I forget the key hits of another human being with a lack of integrity.
Kenny Lofton. Hurt the Yanks, fail vs. the RS.
And then try to convince players not to sign with the Yanks for good measure.
GG tonight.
[CC has a career 7.12 ERA in Oakland. Doesn’t pitch well in his hometown]
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Good, that means he’ll probably pitch a shut out tomorrow!
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He’s not facing the Yanks.
Love that in the span of three days, Pete has called the Yankees “a machine” and referred to a loss as a “disaster.” Nothing like keeping an even keel.
This place is always hideous when the Sox have the night off and Yanks lose.
pat August 18th, 2009 at 1:47 am
This place is always hideous when the Sox have the night off and Yanks lose.
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C’mon. NEw Yawkers are merciless. And especially when they get flop and get shutout by journeyman who hasn’t started in a year and a half.
I can’t agree with Pete that it is a “disgrace” to lose to Tomko. I fully expected it. Read my thoughts over at
http://highlanderhilites.mlblogs.com/
After traveling last night and with a guy out to prove something throwing well, this was no surprise at all.
“UPDATE, 10:50 p.m.: Or the 1-2-3 DP. How bad is that?”
You said all you needed to say right there. A-Rod’s AB in the third inning was God awful. It amazes me that only two short years ago he was considered the best player in the game.
saucY
August 17th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
New Mobil version is strange :/
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replace ‘strange’ with ‘terrible’