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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 17, 2009 
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Joba Chamberlain has some time off to think about another shaky performance as the Yankees fell to the Mariners.
Derek Jeter broke a record held by a Hall of Famer. This notebook also has updates on Hideki Matsui’s knee and a day off for Melky Cabrera.
the jeter thing to me just blows me away. most hits by all the shortstops who’ve ever played! but the strange thing is that jeter’s likely to put up another 800 hits, though who knows how many will be at SS.
must suck to be ozzie vizquel who was moving up on apparicio and then had to see jeter pass him right before he caught him. ozzie came up 2 hits short of becoming the all time hitting SS then jeter flies by him and he will never hold that record.
One thing that ticks me off about Joba is he is always tipping his cap to the other team. He always makes a good pitch where he wants, it and they always hit it. Enough is enough. You don’t always make a pitch where you want it. Why can’t he ever say i pitched like garbage?
I don’t understand why Girardi hasn’t locked Chambermaid in a room and very sternly said something along the lines of “You will throw what the catcher tells you to throw. You will not argue. You will pitch aggressively and quickly.” And if he has done that, I wonder why it’s not working. I know it’s a ridiculous thought, but threatening to send him to the minors for a couple of starts might do it.
As for Jeter, what a pleasure it’s been watching his career.
I’d be willing to bet that most of the players will be taking the team charter on Wednesday. They are flying across the country, it isn’t like going from Chicago to NY. As Joe said, they won’t be getting into Boston till 9am!! They’ll fly go and sleep most of the day.
They’ve told him not to shake the catcher. And when he didn’t he pitched well. Now he reverted back to thinking he knows more than a guy who has caught in the majors for 15 years.
If I was Brian Cashman, I would charter Joba back to Nebraska after every start…
who’s ozzie vizquel? haha
E:60 on ESPN will have a segment on Pat Venditte this Tuesday.
The one thing that eludes Joba is strike 1 strike 2 and of course pitch location and selection.
Out of the Seattle lineup yesterday 5 of the batters he faced were hitting a combined .220 for the season!You don’t walk Langerhans !You challenge.When Joba pitches to location he’s consistently off the plate.Nibbling.
It wouldn’t hurt for him to occasionally pitch up in the strikezone letter high.Up and in with fastballs down and away with sliders.
Joba is the most interesting and annoying guy the Yankees have had in years. He refuses to throw his fastball inside when it’s arguably his best weapon. He constantly shakes off his catcher and insists on throwing three 3-2 sliders and walked bad hitters with each.
His numbers aren’t terrible, but he could be so much more impressive with a better approach. Still, you gotte take 3 of 4 every time. I’ll take two of the next three and two of three after that and then start relaxing just a bit.
Congrats to Jeter… that’s an incredible accomplishment and he could push that number over 3,000 by the end of 2011.
According to Mark Feinsand, Joba wasn’t accountable for his performance yesterday….again.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/
I missed the post-game show – is this true?
per Tom Seaver
I value to know his take (the opposing viewpoint) in this matter.
I don’t know which side is right (maybe the optimum is somewhere in the middle)?
what i would like him to tell me is this: why did Mark Prior and Kerry Wood get injured? And what (if anything) could have been done to prevent it
“I don’t understand why Girardi hasn’t locked Chambermaid in a room and very sternly said something along the lines of “You will throw what the catcher tells you to throw. You will not argue. You will pitch aggressively and quickly
he has pitched this way. To a T as you described, in the 2 games following the All-Star break. Coincidentally, it were the 2 starts just prior to the trade deadline.
and no, i don’t think it was a coincidence at all. As for the present/future – When Joba sees his spot in the rotation slipping away, he will stop pusssy footing around. But not until then.
Joba’s mediocrity is all on him (same as with other players), but for some reason the mediots and other assorted individuals insist on blaming the Yankees. Brandon Tierney (not going to listen to him this morning) is going to lead off his show on 1050 with a rant (among rants about other subjects) about how Joba not knowing when he’s going to pitch is hurting him….Um, he was pitching like this when there never was an issue of him starting. The Yankees shouldn’t be limiting his innings, the Yankees are messing with his schedule, blablabla…..It’s annoying. They are not doing anything wrong……
Eh, I just to love Tom Seaver…..now he just annoyed me with that article. I’m tired of people blaming the Yankees for how they are handling Joba…….
Vinny b, if that’s Joba’s mentality, that’s very disappointing.
Ozzie Vizquel? Or Omar. Vizquel is playing very little SS these days, he is primarily 2B now. He has more hits overall than Jeter, but the last year or so have been compiled while playing second. Still, Jeter will pass him for overall hits in a couple weeks, as well as move into the top 50 all-time by the end of the season.
I don’t understand Joba.. and when I talked to him once last year I felt he was a great guy.
Sure he is young and a lot of first-year starters with high hopes have over a 4.x ERA to only be dominant after getting there feet wet the first year.
One thing that frustates and concerns me is the extremes from both ends of the spectrum..
Last year — granted he was in the BP — he was hitting 98MPH like it was nothing.. and his control was, well.. impeccable.
This year, you just don’t know which Joba you’re going to get.. he has moments of greatness and moments of horribleness. I can be patient with him to develop, I think he is a star in the making.. but he has to stop thinking he is a young Rocket and pitch like he did last year..
A. Stop shaking off your catcher
B. Stop partying (first year stardom syndrome)
C. Be humble
D. Show as much emotion as you want, when you earn it.
E. Stop nibbling.. your not Moose!
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I dunno, there is this part of me that doesn’t want to voice this.. but I question if there was anything Joba was doing last year.. that he really shouldn’t of been doing that gave him that extra edge. these days I wouldn’t be surprised at all. (not inciting a riot) just saying, that I think about that.
EDIT: C. Be humble and remain teachable
Lost, nothing would surprise me these days, but I don’t think he was “doing something” that he shouldn’t have been doing last year. I think he’s just an immature headcase.
86w, you’re right, he is the most annoying Yankee. Despite his talent, his annoyance factor is starting to outweigh it. This act is getting very very old.
derek jeter is the best fielding shortstop ever to have 2,675 hits
Joba is still having a pretty good year for his age and total body of experience…just saying. You guys need to remember he is still developing and pitchers who come into the league and dominate in their first year or two aren’t the norm. He will get older, wiser and better.
Joba gets knocked for tipping his cap to another team AND for showing excitement after getting a big out.
He can’t win for trying.
Joba did not say that they hit good pitches. He said it was a pitch here and a pitch there, meaning a few bad pitches killed his outing. Considering that all of the runs scored with two outs, I would say that is entirely truthful. This ridiculous idea that instead of being candid and honest we want players to be remorseful just to satisfy us is ridiculous.
It was Joba’s first loss in two months.
When he’s been bad, he hasn’t been THAT bad and when he’s ben good, he’s been superb.
Stop hating for the sake of hating. He has been told he is going to pitch less, do you know what that does mentally for a pitcher???
Get off his case, he’s is going to be our ACE in 2 seasons.
Dr Cox: I don’t know, there is just something very un-ace like about Joba. Can we really trust a pitcher that can’t throw more than 150 IP in a season???? That doesn’t seem like an Ace…
Why does Joba get special treatment? If i were Joba I wouldn’t ask for 8 days of rest, who does he think he is? There have been a lot of troubling signs like this since Joba came up… he demanded his own set of rules…he wanted to be on commercials…
Joba is really worrying me………..
Hopefully, some good can still come out of the remaining outings Joba has for this season in the way of maturity.
In the offseason he should spend little time in Nebraska to stay out of trouble and spend the majority of time in Tampa working on his conditioning, especially to strengthen his legs for better leg drive off the mound.
He’s not going to be their ace in 2 years. That’s part of the problem with analyzing Joba. The expectations are completely out of whack.
He’s not a better pitcher than CC Sabathia. Therefore, predicting “ace” status is not the road you want to travel.
He’s a very stubborn kid who is his own worst enemy.
Hopefully, he fulfills his potential.
However, he is a long way of doing so, making “ace” predictions a tad premature.
“Why does Joba get special treatment?”
What special treatment? He’s getting the same treatment that all young pitchers who haven’t worked up to innings limits get.
Joba is a young pitcher who is learning. Hopefully, he is.
I don’t read too much into what players say in the postgame. It is a damned if they do, damned if they don’t situation.
If he says I sucked, it’s a headline today and a recurring story until the next start. He knows he wasn’t effective.
What he does about it is more important than what he says about it.
It’s better to stop comparing players.What didn’t work for Prior or Wood may not be applicable to Chamberlain.
Yankee management is coddling Joba .
An innings limit or pitch limit plan going into the season is fine otherwise be quiet about it alright already.Why talk about it every Joba start? After nearly 2 years it’s now beyond the point of absurdity.
Jerkface” Usually you make sense but this time about Joba you do not. First of all, he does not make the decisions about when he pitches. He does not request 8 days off. If he made his own decisions he would pitch to Molina. But that is another story.
Joba did not even know that he was not going to pitch on Sunday in Seattle. The reporters asked Girardi when Gaudin was going to pitch and it came out that he was replacing Joba. So Joba was changed to pitching Wednesday in Oakland. Then at the last minute the schedule was changed again so he would pitch on Sunday.
An MLB.com article on the yankee.com home page last week said that the schedule had been mapped out for Joba but that he would not be informed until the day BEFORE he was scheduled to pitch. Joba has to accept that edict. He doesn’t like it anymore than anyone else does.
I watched the game yesterday and did not see him shake of off Posada ‘constantly”. Did anyone count them? This attribute is because SJ said it one time and now everyone quotes it whether it is accurate for that particular game or not. He is also “arrogant” and ‘none of the catchers like to catch him’, “he nibbles too much” and my non-favorite “he is too emotional”. In case no one has noticed he is at his best when he shows his emotions. If he won more games and showed his emotions, would you like him better?
Did anyone on this board read Rebecca’s reasonable theory on why Joba was struggling this year. Her summation was that Joba had not pitched an adequate number of innings from college to 2/3rd of a year in the minors before he was called up in late 07. He had about 200 IPs in college. w/o his minor league innings he has as of yesterday about 460 + or – total IP. That is not a large number and he may have not had the time to properly stretch out his arm. Take the time to read it.
The Yankee management has the final say on when Joba pitches or if he is to be traded. The fans do not.
I believe the fan who called Joba a potential ace meant after CC and AJ. I now refer to it as top of the rotation in the future. Lesson learned – my nickname on Yankee.com was Joba2bAce and I got holy crap for it. I choose that name after reading a glowing article about Joba becoming a potential ace.
Rant over. Let’s move on and cheer for this very special team with a lot of special players who have all contributed to the success so far. This team is incredible and I hope that Joba will be a part of it’s success in the post season.
Joba could be the next Edwin Jackson, a fireballer with plus plus stuff and questions surrounding his makeup. He also needed 3 years to fulfill his potential.
Lost: You are better off not alluding to any “use” by an Yankee ball player. Why would you even suggest such an item? Can you prove it? Some fans just don’t know any better and cause more trouble by hinting.
JeterJobaFanForever:
Read what I said, not what you want to read. Wow.
Lost: wow is right.
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I dunno, there is this part of me that doesn’t want to voice this.. but I question if there was anything Joba was doing last year.. that he really shouldn’t of been doing that gave him that extra edge. these days I wouldn’t be surprised at all. (not inciting a riot) just saying, that I think about that.
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What part of this is innocent?? What are you inferring ‘that gave him an edge’?
Thanks Peter for putting up a post on Joba.
The innings limit stuff not withstanding I think Joba’s inconsistency is based on several factors, but the most glaring one is the mere fact that he has no routine.
Nearly every Major League pitcher worth anything knows when exactly he will pitch and can prepare accordingly. Joba one week pitches on normal rest, the next it’s 6 days. Maybe, just maybe, he’s like how Mussina was: He can only be effective on “normal” rest. Maybe his routine is thrown all out of whack when he gets more rest. Maybe he’s still in reliever mode and can pitch better with less rest. It’s clear neither the Yankees nor Joba know for sure where he fits as far as that line of reasoning goes.
I’m also noticing that he’s again slowing down his routine on the mound. During his 3-start stretch that bridged the beginning of July he would get the ball, get the sign and throw. He looked like Buerhle out there. But lately he’s fidgeting around the mound, taking more time, shaking off Posada and Molina.
Dude, listen to your catcher, take the ball and go to work. You’re not smarter than your catcher. These guys know how to call games. They are the boss, you are the employee.
Back to the days of rest issue, Joba says he realizes the organization has his best interests in mind, but saying that and reacting accordingly are two different things. Mentally, he doesn’t seem to be all that tough.
Sooner or later he’s got to become more professional and less reliant on natural ability. I think we’ll only see the true Joba when the innings limit stuff finally ends. And I think if the Yankees don’t have him locked into some kind of normal rest routine by October he could get lit up in the playoffs. He’s just too much of a mental midget right now.
Girardi on Joba:
“This is part of the plan,” Girardi said. “This is what we have to do because this is not just about the next two months. This is about years and years to come.”
Chamberlain has already exceeded last year’s innings total by 21 1/3 after pitching six on Tuesday night, and Girardi said he WILL NOT be moved to the bullpen or REMOVED from the rotation.
As much as I love Jeter and respect all of his accomplishments it is no surprise he is going to be on top of the list of Yankee greats. His career was not interrupted by a war and draft, and he played in more regular season games for his entire career due to the expanded schedule. The fact that he has been this consistent and durable throughout his entire career is amazing and should be recognized. I just wonder the numbers that many of the other great players he is passing would have put up had they played in 162 games a year and didn’t lost time to defend our country.