Jeter there to stay — for a while, anyway
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 20, 2009 
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Derek Jeter was asked questions about one of his least favorite subjects on Wednesday:
Derek Jeter.
Jeter is often quite analytical and sometimes even chatty when discussing the merits of another player. But when asked about his own success, he is bland as a baloney sandwich.
According to Jeter, the reason he has been one of the best leadoff hitters in the American League this season is that he feels good physically.
There’s much more to it than that, of course. But he leaves it to others to say that for him.
But there was an interesting exchange near the end of the interview. Jeter was asked how long he intended to keep playing and he claimed it wasn’t something that he has thought about. But he did admit to joking with Joe Girardi that he could DH for five years once he’s finished playing shortstop.
So, I asked, could we see a 41-year-old Jeter as the DH of the Yankees?
Jeter smiled.
“You could see me at short still,” he said.
Jim Pir-one
August 20th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Bloomberg was clearly making an example of Plax – Fact
Bloomberg is a Patriots fan – Fact
It is not a non sequitor, Bloomberg was seen at many Patriots games during their undefeated, im sorry, 1 loss season. Now, I understand that does not necessarily make him a Pats fan. But one could make the general assumption
Bloomberg has never stuck his nose in a case before like this instance. His insistence clearly lead to Plax’s jail sentence. – Fact
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These claims have as much validity as the ones that still profess the world is flat, that we never landed on the moon, and that Brett Favre will actually stay retired before he dies…
For crying out loud, it’s SPORTS, do you really think Mike Bloomberg or anyone else would make a high profile decision like this purely on his favorite football team?
You are totally delusional and need serious therapy, Jim.
Derek Jeter is one of the greatest Yankees. I am so proud that I’ve been allowed to see him play.
I am convinced that Jeter will hang it up when it’s time to hang it up — not a moment before or after. He has too much pride to stay too long and too much ability to go too soon. It’s as simple as that.
In the meantime, he has taken us all on a really great ride and the thought of him without a locker in that clubhouse is something I don’t even want to think about.
If Jeter stays healthy – he can seriously challenge 4,000 hits. He’ll have 3,000 before the 2011 All Star break
jete wasn’t too bland with that comment. put some hot spicy mustard on it cap.
That wasn’t baloney at all. More like a good mortadella. With roasted red peppers and some provolone.
Bloomberg is from Boston
I assume he is a Patriots/Red Sox/Celtics/Bruins fan until there is proof otherwise
Here’s hoping the Yankees and Jeter can work out a reasonable extension of his contract before he even hits the free agent market. The last thing we need is the Rob Neyers of the world to spew their venomous garbage about Jeter being over rated.
Here’s hoping a contract is structured that addresses Derek’s diminishing produstion as he approaches 40 ( he is not in that mode now) but keeps both sides satisfied.
jeter for president
Bronx Jeers
August 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
That wasn’t baloney at all. More like a good mortadella. With roasted red peppers and some provolone.
Would you like that on ciabatta? lol
Plax: 20 months with good behavior.
Med. security – separated from the general bad guy population.
Standard guideline with good behavior.
Not negotiable.
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This idea that Bloomberg said what he did about Plax because he’s a Patriots fan is ridiculous. 1, There is no way anyone in Bloomberg’s position would ever base a comment like that on a grudge he may or may not have as a sports fan. 2, He wasn’t the one that decided what the punishment would be. 3, He’s probably going to end up getting out of serving more than the mandatory minimum anyway. 4, The Giants and Patriots don’t even have a rivalry, they play eachother like once every 4 years.
Comparing this to Giuliani being accused of trying to give the Yankees a “sweetheart deal” because he’s a Yankee fan does not make any sense. Both the Yankees and Mets were going to end up getting what people would call “sweetheart deals” no matter who was mayor. Look at all the backlash that the city has gotten from both deals.
Rosemary ciabtta.
What kind of contract the Yanks offer Jeter is going to be interesting.
His agent was aggressive in his last deal and Jeter’s clout has only increased since then.
Hal seems to understand legacy but he’s not George.
I used to date a girl named Rosemary Ciabatta. I ditched her for her best friend Tiara Misu.
to John in Ohio: you’re right about Mindi Bach (seen here with Shooty Babbit http://tinyurl.com/kphvnv ), but I have to admit that I hardly ever watch the A’s. Between watching the Yanks and occasionally the Giants, I just don’t bother much.
Oh Jeter, how we love you so.
It’s funny to think that Bloomy would give Plax extra jail time because the Giants won the SB.
I get the impression that he couldn’t care less about sports. But perhaps that’s not true, perhaps he’s angry and still seething about the Giants’ upset.
In any case, two years is pretty harsh.
Plax already got out of doing the mandatory minimum which is 3/12 yrs for criminal possession.
Today he pleaded guilty to attempted criminal possession.
jete always says the right thing. one step ahead of the dolts trying to break a story. why is he bland if he puts dummy reporters in their place. they should raise their game as he does.
Plax will be out in a few months and sign with a contender for the playoff run,
He will not serve the full sentance, no way
Jeter will be the starting SS for the Yankees in 2010 and probably 2011 so long as he remains healthy.
After 2011 who knows? I think he probably sign a 4 year deal for about the same $$ as Posada did so he will be on the team untill he’s 40. I sure hope so anyway.
4000 hits? not likely but I could see him getting another 7-800 on top of his total today be for he’s done.
who cares about Plax. Lets focus on the Yanks and sweeping the sox. as mass-hole would say if they didn’t speak with marbles in there mouth would be wicked awesome. go yanks
“they should raise their game as he does.”
I get the feeling the ones that do pay dearly for it or mysteriously disappear.
Jeter doesn’t SLG enough to DH.
He’s certainly impressed this year with his defense. If he can replicate this, there’s really no reason to not have him fielding short for the next few seasons. The question will be how gracefully he declines as he ages.
OMG, please tell me someone doesn’t actually believe Bloomberg orchestrated some sort of hyper-prosecution of Burress because he’s a Patriots fan???????
That is, quite literally, the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
EVER.
Jim Pir-one, henceforth known as The Dumbest Man Walking the Face of the Earth.
I just don’t see how the Yanks give him that significant of a salary cut.
It’s Derek freakin Jeter.
Will you people stop talking about politics in every thread?
pat
unfortunately you are right. the kim jones’ of the world seem to be the norm in today’s dumb it down world.
Bologna*
The over/under on the number of NFL games Plax plays in this season is 0.00. I’m taking the under.
but this is todays show biz world. she and mike kay have schizoid personnas on tv vs radio. don’t they know the same audience is listening? how do they get away with it?
If Jeter can halt his decline at this level for the next five or so years I don’t see why he couldn’t keep playing short, though in a decreasing proportion to the games picked up by Ramiro Pena or equivalent.
Also, Jeter needs to understand that Montero will likely DH and put up a 1.000 OPS at a time when Jeter will likely put up an .800 at best. He really needs to rethink this.
I know this is off topic but Mark Prior says that he wants to keep pitching (still only 28). Now I know he has been injured ALOT, but maybe NYY can strick lightning in a bottle.
Remember what happened with Chris Carpenter. He was injured and released by the Bluejays. Than St. Louis signs him to an incentive contract and he has become one of the better pitchers in baseball, a true ace. You just never know.
Wouldn’t Montero be a catcher?
I think Sheets would be a better bet than Prior.
Erica – always OPPC
If I had to guess, probably part-time at best.
the last time i checked there were no shortstops growing on trees in my backyard. unless they have somebody better why wouldn’t jeter be at ss?
Mark Prior has been hurt more than Chris Carpenter in his career.
He has had 3 shoulder surgeries. He’s done and not worth the risk.
Sheets? Probably will sign with the Rangers in the off-season. He has been rehabbing with the Texas doctors at their facility the entire year.
Jorge & Mo got taken care of. Arod got an obscene dael. Now it’s time for the Yankees to take care of the Captain. This fall they should announce a contract extension, ensuring that Jeter will finish his HOF career in Pinstripes.
Does Jeter’s current level of play reflect a level of decline? He’s probably going to end up in the top 5 of the MVP vote!
Jeter has a legit shot at Pete Rose’s hit record if he stays healthy. With Jeter’s work ethic and drive, I could see him trying to for that record. Like someone said, he’ll have 3000 hits by then end of 2010.
After reading Posnanski’s article on CNNSI, I think if Jeter keeps positioning himself to where his deteriorating athleticism doesn’t hinder his defense, then he can play SS for 5 or 6 more years…so playing SS at 41 doesn’t sound all that outlandish. Ozzie Smith and Omar Visquel have done it…and I’m sure there are many others. The key is if he stays healthy and is willing to take a pay cut. Cashman certainly won’t pay him $20M per anymore. 5 years, $60M should be fair.
Jeter’s like a shark. He smells blood and knows a potential championship season when he sees it. He’s feeding off it. So is Pettite who stepped up his game a lot so he wasn’t the weakest link in the rotation.
I’m not the least bit surprised he’s playing on all cylinders. Even that play last night where he ranged to his left and Cano missed the throw at 2nd wasn’t happening last year.
Maybe some of it is he’s healthy. Maybe some of it is he’s motivated by a team that is playing to its potential finally.
No Yankee fan should have any qualms over Jeter playing SS next season.
Per Kay’s show: Livan Hernandez released from the Mets
Now what will he eat?
Big news for Randy…..
The Mets have released Livan Hernandez. He’s available for hire again!
why not 60m for 3 with a team option.
Personally, I think Randy should stop pussyfooting around and finally sign Livan.
I’d sign Livan… he is a big game pitcher, eats innings, knows how to win etc. He will also come cheap
He is much better than Mitre and actually eats innings. He will save the pen everytime he pitches.
Livan will find a place to keep eating those innings. The guy has such a taste for all kinds of innings–sweet, salty, spicy, Livan does not discriminate when eating innings.
Livan must have lost his appetite.
My wife asked me once if I thought Jeter would sign for another team. I said that Jeter would not demand an absurd contract knowing he’d be turning 37 in the first year of that contract. I also said the Yankees front office would not be that stupid to let the most beloved Yankee of all time (Phil Rizzuto said it, not me) walk away because that new stadium would be torn down by tens of thousands of Yankees fans.
I mean, really. Can anybody even fathom the idea of Jeter wearing the uniform of another team? YUCK.
I’m not sure that Sheets would benefit from Nolan Ryan’s no pitch count program.
The fact of the matter is that NY laws are wayy too strict. It is a joke.
I wouldn’t be surprised if more and more athletes won’t want to play here because of the stupid laws. Why would they when they can play in a place like Florida without these restrictions?
Jeter has been above average defensively this year. Let him stay at SS until he can’t play there anymore! He could very well continue to play there in 2011 and beyond
If A-Rod’s hip condition permanently reduces his mobility (I’m hoping it won’t), Jeter could play 3B in a couple of years.
The issue isn’t about where Jeter will play next season. He has earned the right to play SS in 2010.
GLove,
I sense the same thing. You listen to the Old Guard in interviews and they know this could be a special team.
Players know deep down if their team is good or not. While they will never say they aren’t good (or aren’t good enough to win), you can tell when guys aren’t really sold on their team.
Go back and listen to interviews from the same guys last year. They knew the team wasn’t good enough to win a WS.
This year, everytime you listen to Jeter, Mo, Pettitte and Jorge, you can hear how much they like this team’s chances.
Jete has been great all year. I think health has a lot to do with it.
I also think, playing on a really good team, with a really good bunch of guys, has rejuvenated him as well.
How lucky am I that Derek Jeter came up when I was 9 years old? I got his autograph AT the Jeffrey Maier ALCS game in ’96…he signed my program before the game started. This guy is the second coming of Lou Gehrig. I hope he plays forever and breaks the all-time hits record.
It isn’t about Nolan Ryan in Texas re: Sheets. Its about the doctors and working with Mike Maddux, whom he worked with in Milwaukee, as his pitching coach.
Those two factors are why its likely he ends up in Texas.
My point is that Sheets would be making a mistake by signing with Texas given Ryan’s stance on pitch counts and Sheets’s fragility.
“Jeter doesn’t SLG enough to DH.”
Neither did Paul Molitor but when you hit .320 every year with a .380 OBA they have to find a place in the lineup for you, even when you don’t hit more than 10 HRs a year. Jeter could very well be DH for this team after Posada retires. I expect Posada to be the next DH after Matsui and Damon are gone.
Jeter’s agent used Alex’s Texas contract to get Jeter’s last contract.
He’s done it once, why wouldn’t he do it again?
5/$60 isn’t Jorge or Mo money let alone Alex money.
Ryan’s pitch count rules seem to have a lot of flexibility.
Hunter and Holland aren’t overworked and they are rookies.
I think Ryan is smart enough to not push a guy who will have missed a year after surgery.
Given their money issues, they can put together a friendly deal for Sheets, he wants to sign with the Rangers, have him with a pitching coach and doctors he trusts, and if healthy, get a front end starter.
I don’t see Ryan being the guy that scuttles that deal.
Speaking of Jeter playing 3B one day…since A-Rod is gonna be here for the next 9 years, what about putting him in RF once he can’t play 3B anymore?? The dude already has a canon for an arm and would be serviceable as long as he can catch the routine stuff. Then you just slot Jeter in at 3B when his range gets too bad for SS. Jeter surpasses Pete Rose while in a Yankee uni, A-Rod surpasses Bonds as the Yanks RF. Everyone is happy.
We should be like Theo is… get rid of euperstars a year too soon rather than a year too late. That’s why the Sox have become the model franchise. They don’t get sentimental. They make players come back on their terms, if not, they go bye bye. They did that with Damon, Pedro, Lowe etc. and thats why they don’t have bad contracts.
Do we really want to end up paying a 36 yr old Tex, 37 yr old Burnett, 35 yr old CC, 40 yr old A-Rod, 40 yr old Jeter etc. in 4 years and have 70% of our payroll tied up in declining stars?
We need to be smart about this, not be sentimental.
In all of his years with the Yankees, Derek Jeter has always made the right decisions.
This contract won’t be as big an issue as some believe.
At the appropriate time, the Yankees and Jeter will get together on a new deal and life will go on.
He will finish his career as a Yankee.
Jeter is ageless…..I wonder how close to 4000 he could get if he stays healthy through his 30′s and early 40′s. I can’t even think that far ahead, lol. I still can’t believe he’s 35….
How many hits does he have this year? Does he have a shot at 200?
“Jeter will be the starting SS for the Yankees in 2010 and probably 2011 so long as he remains healthy.
After 2011 who knows? I think he probably sign a 4 year deal for about the same $$ as Posada did so he will be on the team untill he’s 40. I sure hope so anyway.
4000 hits? not likely but I could see him getting another 7-800 on top of his total today be for he’s done.”
I think he’s definitely going to get more than Posada. Posada only got $13M/year, right? Jeter’s going to be around $20M/year I’d think.
As far as him getting 700-800 more hits, I think that’s a bit low too. If you think he’s going to sign a 4 year deal after this contract, that means you think he’ll play 6 more seasons after this one (10 and 11 on this contract, 12-15 on the new 1).
He’s on pace to get about another 50 hits this year. Then, even if you want to be really conservative and say he only averages 130 hits a year over the next 6 years, that’s a total of 830 more hits. I think he’ll be closer to 150 hits per year, but who knows.
“But he did admit to joking with Joe Girardi that he could DH for five years once he’s finished playing shortstop.
So, I asked, could we see a 41-year-old Jeter as the DH of the Yankees?
Jeter smiled.
“You could see me at short still,” he said.”
This is truly telling. Read between the lines. Jete knows he can’t play SS forever. This is the first time he’s joked about it which is a huge step for him.
He’ll never be a problem for the Yanks.
He’s smarter than some give him credit for.
Jeter and the Yankees have a good relationship; I really anticipate there will be no problems when the time comes to discuss a new deal.
lol… yeah jeter will concede his shortstop spot to ramiro pena
bring in hanley ramirez, then jeter will feel obliged to move to another position. He ain’t moving for just anyone though.
The Red Sox are a “model franchise”? LOL That’s pretty funny.
Take a look at the standings today and get back to me how the “model franchise” is doing.
It makes perfect sense to “get rid” of Derek Jeter now. Especially since he’s only one of the 5 best players in the league this year.
Brilliant strategy.
They don’t have “bad contracts”? Take a look at over 40 million wasted at the SS position over the last 5 years, David Ortiz’s contract, and JD Drew’s contract. Those are all bad contracts.
Betsy
How many hits does he have this year? Does he have a shot at 200?
Yes he’s on pace for 220 ish
Mark,
I respectfully disagree with you. I do not believe the Sox are a model franchise.
1) They have an aging catcher who they signed for sentiment, Varetek
2) A DH in extreme decline, Ortiz, still signed to them
3) Bay was signed for a large contract and hasn’t been providing much production
4) They have two reliable starting pitchers
Furthermore, I have have no complaints about the production the Yankees have gotten out of Damon. I think he has been a major source of value to this team. So much this season that a lot of people think he should brought back
It must be LoHud week over at “It Is High”
Now they’re sending out the bat signal for Guiseppe Franco.
There will be no public discord between Jeter and the Yankees but oh to be a fly on the wall.
“Can anybody even fathom the idea of Jeter wearing the uniform of another team?”
Jeter will be a Yankee until he retires.
Betsy-
Jeter has 161 so far this season. If he keeps popping out 2 a night like a machine he could have 200 before Labor Day
Mark
August 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
We should be like Theo is… get rid of euperstars a year too soon rather than a year too late. That’s why the Sox have become the model franchise. They don’t get sentimental. They make players come back on their terms, if not, they go bye bye. They did that with Damon, Pedro, Lowe etc. and thats why they don’t have bad contracts.
Do we really want to end up paying a 36 yr old Tex, 37 yr old Burnett, 35 yr old CC, 40 yr old A-Rod, 40 yr old Jeter etc. in 4 years and have 70% of our payroll tied up in declining stars?
We need to be smart about this, not be sentimental.
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They made a mistake not resigning Damon. They haven’t had a good lead off hitter since he left.
If you think they don’t have any bad contracts you need to look again. Lowell, Ortiz, Drew are all problem contracts.
“We should be like Theo is… get rid of euperstars a year too soon rather than a year too late. That’s why the Sox have become the model franchise. They don’t get sentimental. They make players come back on their terms, if not, they go bye bye. They did that with Damon, Pedro, Lowe etc. and thats why they don’t have bad contracts.”
Why didn’t Theo get rid of Mike Lowell, who is now limping around 3rd base a few times a week with a bum hip? Why did Theo just acquire a “catcher” whose body is not going to get any healthier and has no position where he is extremely valuable? Why is Theo paying a paper JD Drew all that coin? Also, last I checked Tim Wakefield is looking every bit like a geezer–oh, and Theo just dished out a contract to John Smoltz last winter (40 years old, a former superstar) who proceeded to pitch to a 9 ERA. That argument doesn’t make 100 percent sense. There is also Varitek who came back and has proceeded to perform much like he did last year.
“I expect Posada to be the next DH after Matsui and Damon are gone.”
So you replace his .360 wOBA with Cervelli’s .300 wOBA (and .300 is generous – this year cervelli was .263 wOBA).
I just don’t get why people are so enthralled with the idea of playing Posada at DH so that the team can lavish more at bats on a comparatively awful back up catcher getting more at bats.
That’s just throwing away marginal advantage.
And you can’t just count on Montero being ready for the bigs next year, especially as a full time catcher.
There’s nothing in Posada’s defense this year that makes him non-viable to catch most of the games next year even if that number is 120-130.
Where is all the pre-season Jeter hate?
glad to see it is gone for now.
No question – I absolutely sense an enthusiasm for this team from the Old Guard (I LOL at that, it sounds like they are a business entit). I hear it from Mo a lot especially…It’s just amazing the new guys have just meshed so well with the veterans. I mean, there was no period of adjustment at all…..it was like this from the very beginning of ST.
SJ you forgot about D-K’s contract as well.
Theo would have gotten rid of Theo if they got Tex.
70 million for JD Drew. They will waste over 30 million on a diminished David Ortiz.
39 million on Mike Lowell. Over 40 million on SS’s that didn’t work out.
Over 100 million, counting posting fees, for Dice-K…a decidedly average pitcher.
Yup, its a “model franchise” all right. Brilliant decisionmaking with everything they do.
I think the Yankees can afford to be sentimental about Derek Jeter, he has earned that loyalty.
I think Damon should be re-signed as well, and not just b/c he is Erica’s PBF
I’d sign Livan… he is a big game pitcher, eats innings, knows how to win etc.
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Look out, Jim Pir-one! We may have a contender for your title.
I have an emotional streak – I would never just want to dump our cherished players because they are not performing as they once were. Of course, players have to be open to taking pay cuts or having their playing time reduced if they want to remain Yankees, but assuming they have no problem……I don’t like it when players I rooted for and loved have bad feelings about the team. I agree there has to be a certain cold-bloodedness to the business side of baseball – you can’t be held hostage to nostalgia – but the Yankees are special in part because they care about their history and the players who wore the uniform.
What about Baldelli? How often does he play?
Uncle and Erica, thanks!
They won a WS in 07 with Dice-K, drew, Lugo etc. so I would say those contracts are worth it. Drew won them the ALCS in 07. Didn’t he get like 6 RBIs against CC? or was it Carmona?
Red Sox were a model franchise right up until the point they weren’t.
SJ44-
How did the Smoltz deal work out for Theo!
Erica
A couple of corrections.
Bay is not signed past this year.
Veritek was signed because they had no other option.
This age obsession get really tedious after a while.
Can you wait until Jeter actually begins declining before we start worrying about how fast he will decline?
Same with Posada. Its easy to bring it up now because he’s slumping. But he’s still a way-above average offensive catcher and by my math, since mid-May the Yankee pitching has been as good as been for any number of years.
Let’s not preemptively age these players for them.
As many have pointed out, Posada came to catching late and seems to be in as good shape as ever. Hasn’t he earned the benefit of the doubt?
Betsy-
How did you feel about the Bernie departure?
Bronx Jeers: I think their take on the scandal of West Coast game start times is better:
http://johnsterling.blogspot.c.....nyone.html
That’s why it it too soon to say that AJ Burnett’s contract is great.
Everyone said the same about Ortiz, Dice-K, etc. in 07 and now look at them. Now Theo is no longer the boy genius. Similarly, they said the Beckett contract was awful after they gave it to him in 06 after the 5 ERA season.
Have to look at the duration of the contract not just one year.
The red sox made the “low cost – low risk” signing of John Smoltz and they wound up paying him roughly $6M for 8 awful starts.
That’s a model to follow right there.
This year Dice-K and Smoltz combined cost the Sox around 23M dollars. 23M (including Dice-K’s posting fee which has to be factored in for total costs).
They’re paying Dice-K and Smoltz Santana/ Sabathis money for this year.
2007 does not make the Red Sox a model franchise, especially when their model was in no way unique and is completely the opposite of what your first post described, since their model for 2007 was not “cut ties with aging superstars before it costs us too much money”–their model was “sign/acquire a bunch of guys with big contracts who might help us win right now and worry about the consequences later”. This model buried the Yankees underneath guys like Gary Sheffield, Kevin Brown and Randy Johnson in the early 2000s. Theo is reliving Brian Cashman’s ulcers from those years second-hand now.
Stuckey
August 20th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
This age obsession get really tedious after a while. Can you wait until Jeter actually begins declining before we start worrying about how fast he will decline?
Same with Posada.
I agree with these statements.
Ortiz is back! He’s quietly up to 19 homers and Bay and Martinez are both hot right now, but you’ll find all that out this weekend the Yanks complete the 0 for 9er at Fenway this year!
“We should be like Theo is… get rid of euperstars a year too soon rather than a year too late.”
Yeah…thank god they got rid of David Ortiz and Jason Varitek. Imagine if they still had those old scrubs on their team.
As far as him getting 700-800 more hits, I think that’s a bit low too. If you think he’s going to sign a 4 year deal after this contract, that means you think he’ll play 6 more seasons after this one (10 and 11 on this contract, 12-15 on the new 1).
After this year he only has 1 more year on his contract. If he signs a 4 year extension, that’s 5 more full seasons, along with the rest of this year, roughly 1,000 hits. He’ll be 40. He’ll probably need to play until he’s 43(that’s 8 more seasons after this one) to have a realistic shot at reaching Pete Rose. I don’t see that happening though.
upstate kate
August 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
I think the Yankees can afford to be sentimental about Derek Jeter, he has earned that loyalty.
I think Damon should be re-signed as well, and not just b/c he is Erica’s PBF
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Upstate Kate. You are a good egg
I just got a belated birthday present from Trisha – 2 tickets to the Yankees/Rays night game on September 7th
I am so excited – it will be my first time at the new stadium.
They didn’t win a WS because of Julio Lugo. They are eating 14 million dollars on his contract. You want to sell that the contract “worked” for them.
One game from JD Drew in the post-season doesn’t justify 70 million bucks.
Its ok to say, “Perhaps I mis-spoke” when extolling Theo’s virtues.
You wouldn’t be the first person to overrate his “genius”.
Richie,
Where do you get the idea that Montero is going to have a 1.000 OPS? He hasn’t gotten past AA yet and has yet to have an OPS that high in any level of the minors. And have you even looked at who has a 1.000 OPS this year? Joe Mauer, who is having a historic season, Albert Pujols, the best hitter in baseball, and Prince Fielder.
Until Montero actually does something, I’m going to hold off on putting him in the hall of fame.
Jeter is quicker than he’s been in recent years and is moving very well. His defense has been better this year and he’s been a force at the plate. I see no reason to worry about it this season, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s got 2-3 more years at this caliber.
Yawn, Red Sox trolls talking smack.
Comical at this point.
I don’t want to be like the Red Sox. They kick all their great players to the curb. They can never have an Old-Timer’s Day reunion with great players like Clemens, Pedro, Damon, Manny, and Nomar because of the way things ended. I believe you can also add Ortiz to that list eventually and maybe even Papelbon.
MaineYankee-
Anything else wrong with my post?? LOL
Not sure what I was thinking but I thought they signed an extension with Bay during the offseason. I just have been imagining things
“Jeter God
August 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
The fact of the matter is that NY laws are wayy too strict. It is a joke.
I wouldn’t be surprised if more and more athletes won’t want to play here because of the stupid laws. Why would they when they can play in a place like Florida without these restrictions?”
Jeter God,
The man brought a loaded and concealed weapon that wasn’t licensed into a night club. It went off and the bullet nearly hit an another person after going through Plax’s leg.
How is this a ridiculous law? It was a SERIOUS criminal act that could have led to far uglier results. The law should be tough so people don’t do it. It’s called a deterrent…
If Plax wanted protection, hire a private security guard who is licensed to carry a gun. He could afford it.
Heck, he should get 2 years for utter stupidity!
Fran-
I am going the NEXT night!!! So bummed I am missing you by a day
But happy birthday
I thought they won the 2007 series because of Gagne?
Erica,
It is too bad we will miss each other. But glad that you get to go to a game also. I am really looking forward to it.
SoxVille is looking good!
August 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Ortiz is back! He’s quietly up to 19 homers and Bay and Martinez are both hot right now, but you’ll find all that out this weekend the Yanks complete the 0 for 9er at Fenway this year!
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lol
Model franchise?? Give me a break.
Letting Damon go for short money was a mistake and failing to sign Tex (again for relatively short $$) was a huge mistake that will haunt the Sox for years to come. Henry was right about the “curse of MT” but he was wrong about the team to be cursed.
If Tex had signed with Boston the Yankees would be at least five games behind Boston right now.
Pete! M.Kay just said Bruce can’t be the voice of the people anymore. He’s too rich, lives in a mansion. Said he shouldn’t wear flannel anymore either! Once you make a million dollars a year he says flannel is out!
It’s funny to think that the Yankees 2-3-4 hitters were all guys they snagged from the Red Sox at the very last minute. I don’t want the Yankees to sign Bay next year, but if they did, they can boast 4 middle of the order bats that they absolutely stole from their rivals.
Red Sox the model franchise?
I think we’ve all seen behind the curtain this year and what we saw was the model franchise full of prospects no GM could ever turn down couldn’t pull off the blockbusters boy genius shot for at the deadline.
They have no positional prospects in the system who can help at the major league level, yet we’ve used Pena, Gardner, Cervelli to plug holes and keep our team afloat.
Their vaunted stockpile of pitching prospects couldn’t land Halladay, Felix or Gonzales and they had to settle for a 1b/DH type in Martinez when they needed to fix the offense they could not fix internally.
I want to write the book on Theo that calls his tenure for what it was. He had two of the greatest 3-4 hitters in history who were using PED’s help them win 2 championships.
You take Ortiz and Manny off those teams or take away the drugs and they don’t win those titles. I have zero doubt about that.
Theo inherited those guys. He didn’t sign Manny. He tried to give him away for nothing.
Let’s see them win a title with the ghost of Ortiz and no Manny.
Just like let’s see us win a title without Mo and Jeter.
Theo’s no genius. He’s got the best PR hype machine at his disposal in the business.
His moves have pretty much across the board backfired for him this year. Every bet he made has pretty much lost.
Now he has a team that needs him to go out and find stars. Not just players. He needs stars especially in the positional area.
Maybe a bad model franchise. They cannot produce a shortstop or catcher. They have a bunch of old DH/1B/3B types. Their bench is so thin, they pinch ran their number 3 pitcher. All their “pitching depth” was old national league retreds…and we know how all that turned out. The Sox are stuck with a soft left fielder, a fat DH and a group of catchers that cannot throw anybody out.
Manny + Milkshake Papi = model franchise.
There is no garantee that Beckett will be there long term. I believe his contract will be up after next year and he may want to see what he could get on the FA market.
Noreaster – good point.
Francona used Buchholz in a pinch running situation this past week. Imagine if Clay had rolled an ankle, or worse? Wow. What a statement of the depth of that team, currently.
Man, I can’t wait to get Gardner back. As well as we’ve played, he’s such a late-game weapon.
Tigers rally and beat Seattle
Good… I don’t want to face Chicago in the playoffs. Hope the Tigers keep winning
G. Love
I like the Yankees chances going forward because it appears that Cashman is stocking the farm with legit talent that can be used for the ML club or for trade purposes.
I dont think Buchholz on the bases is such a big deal.
He is perhaps the fastest player on the team.
He runs regularly. it’s not as if he isn’t in running shape.
there are plenty of depth issues on the Sox. I dont think that’s the best example.
Brian Williams(NBC) did 4:40 NY Sports Update on the M. Kay show. Said Michael Kay is apparently obsessed with men who wear Wrangler Jeans! LOL!
Should we pull off the division, we could face one of the following in the ALDS: (with us having a better record than LAA)
Rangers, if they win WC
Tigers, if they win Central
White Sox, if they win Central
Any of these teams is dangerous in a best-of-five.
Chicago bats could bludgeon their way to a win.
Verlander and Porcello are a tough 1-2.
Feliz and Texas bats will be tough.
Brian Willimas and M.Kay debating Bruce as the working man and Mike’s obsession with Wrangler jeans, funny stuff!
Who cares about who the Yankees face in the first round. They are going to have to beat 3 playoffs teams regardless.
Right now the Yankees are the best team in the league. Other teams have to be worried about playing the Yankees, not the other way around.
Thanks Nick,
I usually check that site out when I’m in here. If you’ve never seen their “Yankeeography”s, they’re worth a look. They even did one on our Blogfather.
I’m just worried about potentially facing the SF Giants in the World Series, they could pitch Lincecum and Cain 5 times each. A freak and a hard-throwing headhunter! We have no chance.
who is bruce
Ranking the top 10 setup men:
2) Phil Hughes, Yankees
The Yankees’ top pitching prospect prior to the arrival of Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes made his major league debut in early 2007, but spent most of that season and the next fighting injuries (though none to his pitching arm) and resultant poor performance. Having pitched well in spring training this year, Hughes got the call when Chien-Ming Wang imploded in the seasons’ early weeks and pitched well enough in the rotation to stay on the major league roster upon Wang’s (ultimately aborted) return. Pitching regularly in relief for the first time, Hughes quickly rose to the eighth inning and twirled off a streak of 25 scoreless innings. Dating to the beginning of that streak, he has posted a 0.91 ERA, 0.91 WHIP, 11.52 K/9, and 4.75 K/BB in just shy of 30 innings. In the process he’s proven that Joba Chamberlain’s success in the same role was not so preciously unique that it was worth sacrificing his potential as a starter, though you can expect the same sturm und drang over Hughes’ return to the rotation next spring.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Bruce as in Springsteen.
Michael Kay is awful
ray – tell that to the 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007 Yankee teams.
I think any team should be concerned about who they face in a Division series, because it’s a crapshoot.
But no harm in looking at the options and seeing which you best match up against.
Surely you have your own preference.
can we stop moving everyone’s positions already? we’re in the middle of a great season and already thinking about next season and beyond. the Yankees won’t give Jeter the cold shoulder because Jeter’s been the man for them for a loooooong time. but I’m not worried about it in the least today because we’re in the middle of one of the best seasons I’ve seen from the Yankees in a long time, and I’m not going to let the thought of Jeter retiring, playing 3B or DHing ruin this run for me.
Also, just because one of you like having posada at DH, Jeter at third, ARod in RF and Damon as the super-utility guy does not mean the players do. It’s not as simple as just saying “you go over there and you move over there! perfect!” there is much more to it than that.
And I’m out.
I’m all for bashing the Red Sox, but let’s be realistic.
Jason Bay is not a failure or a bad signing. He had a torrid start, cooled off, and is picking it back up again. In August he’s at .326 with 7 HRs and a 1.291 OPS.
On the season, he’s at 27 HRs with 86 RBIs. And he’s only getting $7.8 million. That’s a good deal.
Ortiz is “done”, yet he’s still pacing 26 HRs and 96 RBIS for the season.
It’s good to be confident, but let’s not fool ourselves into thinking the Red Sox would just roll over in the playoffs.
Clay Buchholz was a pinch-runner in a crucial, 9th inning situation.
Kevin Youkilis played LF (and looked horrible) in the most important series of the year.
In Texas, Nick Green and Brian Anderson actually got AB’s w/RISP late in the game, because there was no one decent to pinch hit.
Sox have had plenty of depth issues recently.
At least when Cashman screwed up on the rotation he was giving young guys a chance to develop (Joba, Hughes, Kennedy). Epstein screwed up his rotation with Penny, Smoltz, and Wakefield.
Yup, Ortiz is almost on pace to have as many HR as Johnny Damon. Let’s think about that one for a few minutes…
“ray – tell that to the 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007 Yankee teams.
I think any team should be concerned about who they face in a Division series, because it’s a crapshoot.
But no harm in looking at the options and seeing which you best match up against.
Surely you have your own preference.”
This team has got excellent starting pitching and that’s the difference between the 05-07 teams. I’ll match up CC/AJ/Pettitte/Joba against any other teams top 4.
The Yankees haven’t had a rotation this good in a LONG time.
I don’t care in what order the Yanks face other playoff teams. But, I do hope that they have home field advantage against the Angels.
Luds
August 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Yup, Ortiz is almost on pace to have as many HR as Johnny Damon. Let’s think about that one for a few minutes…
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Does that mean the RS will sign Damon as a FA next year?
Ortiz is in no way the same hitter he once was. He can not hit a fastball, plain and simple. His home runs in Toronto that apparently brought him “back” were on curve balls and offspeeed stuff. The days of Ortiz carrying the Red Sox are long over. Jason Bay is a good player but he was playing way over his head early this year and is going to get tons of money this offseason and probably not be worth it. If the Red Sox give it to him, great.
Giants in WS? Maybe next year. As a bay area Yankee fan, I am not worried about Giants. Let’s take care of Angels first, then Cardinals, maybe.
“Ortiz is “done”, yet he’s still pacing 26 HRs and 96 RBIS for the season.”
He’s on pace to have a .788 OPS.
Joe on with Mike…..
Frank, I thought Bernie handled it terribly. The Yankees offered him a chance to compete for a spot in ST and he let his pride get in the way. He never even returned Cash or Torre’s calls….that bugged me.
MaineYankee
August 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Does that mean the RS will sign Damon as a FA next year?
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Maybe it means that they’ll use Ortiz in the outfield? lol
Seriously, I hope we keep Damon next year either in LF or DH. I think that Melky or some FA would be better for coverage.
“The Youuuuse thing” -Mike Francesa
Remember when the “experts” said The Sawx had the deepest starting pitching? Uh eyup lololololol
Andrew
August 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Ortiz is in no way the same hitter he once was.
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Lack of steroids does that it seems.
Can we play “Guess the Lineup” for tonights Yankees Classic game?
I’m not assuming anything this weekend.
Boston is playing well. If they win tonight, they have the same record over their last 10 that we do. They are at home with their hitters are comfortable and they will be out to seek revenge after sweeping them.
Our offense is not exactly lighting it up either. I’ll sign up for 1 of 3 this weekend. I want AJ/CC to pitch well, even if they lose.
I am leaving work now. Enjoy the off night people!!!
Please start considering your line ups for tomorrow!!!
“Guess the Line Up” will be back at 2pm tomorrow. I expect Joe Girardi will have no more wins
Zach in Port Jeff
August 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Can we play “Guess the Lineup” for tonights Yankees Classic game?
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Hahaha. I was just posting a note about GTLU
Playing GTLU on a classic game is a lot like saying “I bet the yankees win”
No one is saying the Red Sox stink. We’re just saying this whole “model franchise/model organization/model GM” stuff is garbage.
They are doing nothing better than anyone else in baseball. I was talking with fans of theirs who were furious that their ownership keeps raising prices and lowering payroll. That means a larger profit.
I’ve got nothing against profit, but I do have something against an organization that when it’s losing to the Yankees cites payroll and dollars but when it’s winning you never hear a peep about that stuff. That’s their built in excuse and their fanbase isn’t going to buy it for many more years unless they lower ticket and concession prices which we know they won’t do.
Their arrogance is the worst kind. They think they do it better than everyone else and in the end they won their championships fueled by PED’s like everyone else was doing since the Oakland A’s of the late 80′s.
Hearing Arroyo basically admit he knows he used when was on the Sox tells me there were a lot more players using on that team.
Cowboy up? Did those shirts come with needles?
I’ve been a huge critic of Cashman but he’s doing a fantastic job.
Just last night watching Gaudin pitch and knowing we plucked him off the scrap heap was another credit to the front office.
GLove is spot on to what we are talking about.
All off-season, we heard how much “smarter” they are than anybody else by signing Smoltz, Penny and Baldelli.
People in the media, and the fans who parrot their comments, acted as if the Red Sox had a “secret formula” for success.
All we have heard about this season is their “vaunted farm system”. Yet, who in their farm system, that has been called up this year, has helped them win games this year? One guy, Bard. That’s it.
Everybody else? Non-existent.
Compare that to the contributions, Robertson, Gardner, Pena and Cervelli have made to the Yankees this year.
Yet, no talk from anybody about a “vaunted” Yankee farm system.
We continue to be fed this nonsensical Red Sox crap, even though the facts don’t match the hype.
The Red Sox don’t have anybody in their organization, even at the major league level, as good as Ramiro Pena at SS.
They have NOBODY in their organization as good a prospect as Montero. They don’t even have anybody in their organization as good a propsect as either Jackson or Romine.
Yet, we never hear anybody praise the Yankee farm system.
All we are fed is Red Sox hype.
Well, the hype hasn’t matched the truth this season and its not out of line to call folks on it who insist on believing the hype.
They have a very good organization.
They are not however, at any level in which you want to discuss it, as “model” baseball franchise. Far from it.
Statisically, Dave Robertson has been a better pitcher than Bard this year, and you don’t even hear a peep about him from the NY media.
Failure is a model too.
Statisically, Dave Robertson has been a better pitcher than Bard this year, and you don’t even hear a peep about him from the NY media.
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Excellent point…check out the 2 players stats…nearly the same…but according to the experts Bard is the next great reliever in baseball
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....erId=29172
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....erId=30158
Well Robertson can’t throw strikes so that’s probably why he doesn’t get recognition.
I’m not sure that the Red Sox are a model franchise…I think that they have had a very nice run over the last 5-6 years. But the truth of the matter is that a number teams have had a nice run in the AL. The Orioles of the 70′s were impressive and the Tigers and Blue jays had soem very good years. But in each case time eroded their mini-dynasties and it will do the same to the Red Sox.
If I were a betting man, I would bet that the Orioles (under Andy McPhail) will be a better team in 5 years than the Red Sox.
“I’m just worried about potentially facing the SF Giants in the World Series, they could pitch Lincecum and Cain 5 times each. A freak and a hard-throwing headhunter! We have no chance. ”
Cashman should’ve traded Matsui for Cain, like everyone said.
Bard’s command isn’t steller either and his wildness in the past is well documented.
Great comment by Jeter. Hopefully he is right!
JMO, but I think a lot of you folk are way too obsessed with Boston. Personally, I don’t care if some people think their farm system or their organization is better (or worse) than the Yankees. What matters is what happens on the field, and on the field the Yanks have been better this year and most years since 1919. I wouldn’t give Boston the pleasure of thinking that we worry about them.
Derek for MVP
Mauer is doing things that we haven’t seen since Yogi in the 1800s. He deserves the MVP regardless of where he finished
A-Rod won 2 MVPs on last place teams why can’t Mauer win one on a .500 team? Especially when Mauer is doing it at catcher?
Ralph August 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Well Robertson can’t throw strikes so that’s probably why he doesn’t get recognition.
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Really, he has 52 Ks in 35 innings…
More than Bard.
Wave your hat -
Unfortunately, how the Red Sox are viewed by other Gms, players and their families during free agency, and how their farm system is viewed by the Jim Callis’ of the world affect what happens on the baseball field.
That bum Kenny Lofton tried to dissuade CC from signing with the NYY. I do not hear anyone trying to dissuade people from signing with the RS.
Furthermore, the Red Sox are able to brainwash their players to taking lesser contracts. The Yankees have to pay “the Yankee tax.” And the Yankees get ripped for their payroll, when the Red Sox would have the same payroll if they’d have to overpay for every player like the Yankees do.
“Statisically, Dave Robertson has been a better pitcher than Bard this year, and you don’t even hear a peep about him from the NY media.”
I really want Robertson to succeed, but he hasn’t been particularly strong in pressure situations. There have been a few times where he was brought in to nail down the game in the 9th (obviously non-save situation), but ran into some trouble and forced Mo to start warming up. Hopefully that’s more of a small-sample size thing than an indicator of things to come.
Just researched it to see what the #’s are:
http://www.baseball-reference......;t=p#lever
An interesting bit of information:
Alan Horne won his 4th game (4-0) for the GCL Yankees today. He pitched 7 innings of shutout ball and now has a 2.86 ERA. I know that its only the GCL but it would be nice if he was able to resurrect his career and become an option for the Yankees in the next year or two.
Jeter is always worth a bit more due to the extra revenue (jerseys, shirts, etc) he brings in. Say $15M is fair for him as a player, it’s ok to “overpay” ($20M) for him due to all the goods he moves, extra tickets he sells, publicity he brings the team, etc. Don’t forget that baseball is a business.
That bum Kenny Lofton tried to dissuade CC from signing with the NYY. I do not hear anyone trying to dissuade people from signing with the RS.
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Well, I wonder what Manny would have to say to that.
Or Dice-K.
Or Ted Williams’ frozen head.
“Don’t forget that baseball is a business.”
You’re right… and it would be bad business to let the face of the franchise finish his career with another team. The greats need to finish where they started… Joe D, Mickey, Gehrig, Ruth (oh wait…)
Stultus -
Although Manny got ridden out of town like a piece of trash, he still probably recommends Boston, or at the very least, does not bad mouth them the way that classless organization bad mouthed him.
Dice-K
His accusations about the RS training staff have already been refuted by ESPN. Dont worry. He’ll be bowing down soon enough, trying his hardest out there on the field for a team that showed him enormous disrespect. And he’s from a country where respect is first and foremost.
SCX:
Jeter is always worth a bit more due to the extra revenue (jerseys, shirts, etc) he brings in. Say $15M is fair for him as a player, it’s ok to “overpay” ($20M) for him due to all the goods he moves, extra tickets he sells, publicity he brings the team, etc. Don’t forget that baseball is a business.
Im up for that. 15M for Jete and 5M for his intangibles.
Besides Jete has something not every player has. Plain and simple the guy is tough. The guy played basically 1 handed nearly hafl the year last year. Not his best year but no disgrace either. The guy is just tough.
Watch out, Pete Rose. If Jete sticks around until his early 40s, he could dethrone the hit king.
Jeter (2,696) is 1,560 hits behind Pete at the moment. It’s reasonable to think he gets 50 more this year.
If he could average 180 a year as he ages it would take eight and a half years to reach 4,256. Even at 200 hits a year it would take seven-plus.
To me a great target would be 3,316 which would put him in the All-Time top ten. That’s probably four more good seasons or three outstanding ones. If he gets there his eyes could be on becoming only the sixth guy to reach 3,500.
That’s amazing