Is it too late to vote Jim Rice out of the Hall of Fame for being a no-class idiot?
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 21, 2009 
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According to the Associated Press, Red Sox Hall of Famer Jim Rice spoke to players at the Little League World Series today and said that today’s major leaguers are too focused on individual goals and getting big contracts.
“You see a Manny Ramirez, you see an A-Rod, you see Jeter … Guys that I played against and with, these guys you’re talking about cannot compare,” Rice said.
Derek Jeter? Really?
Reality to Jim Rice: Jeter was at the center of four World Series champions (four more than you were) and has never once been accused of being anything but a team player. You owe him an apology.
Meanwhile, what is Little League Baseball thinking inviting an insolent jerk like Jim Rice to speak to kids? Albert Belle must have been busy.
Jeter will be asked about this today and it’s certain he’ll take the high road. Hopefully somebody on the Yankees will call out Rice on this. He deserves to be taken to task. What a classless remark.
UPDATE, 2:53 p.m.: Here’s the full story.
What a travesty. This confirms everything bad you’ve ever heard about Rice.
Pete,
That’s a great post. You made my blood pressure go down – a little.
He shouldn’t have been elected to the Hall to begin with! His numbers just aren’t that good, IMHO.
Wow Rice needs to shut up. You know ESPN won’t report this because of their massive hard-on for the guy
I understand what he’s getting at, with the steroids, big contracts and everything. But it doesn’t make sense to bring Jeter into it. What has he done?
Jim Rice is a jerk and a blowhard…..and including Jeter in his rant shows he’s also clueless and bitter. Who is he kidding? Any person with a brain knows that Jeter is not at all like he depicted. IMO, he represents what is right with the game…..and that is why he commands a great deal of respect. ESPN posted that article, so they are not going to care one way or the other what Jimbo said about Jeter, but I hope that the media calls him out on this. If you listen to other broadcasters or even to national broadcasters, you hear how they respect Jeter.
Jim Rice is completely irrelevant.
Great post, Pete………
Erica – always OPPC
August 21st, 2009 at 2:44 pm
People of LoHud-
Should we attempt a GTLU tomorrow without my actual presence? I will go by group consensus
Says this on the eve of the Yanks Sox?….more fuel for the fire! No class for sure.
Here’s who is in today’s “Guess the Line Up” so far. Submissions until 3:30
NYYROC, Upstate Kate, Ed H, Nick, Ramey, J-Dawg, Hokiehill, Andrew33 (all the same)
Uncle E
Erica – always OPPC
August 21st, 2009 at 2:44 pm
People of LoHud-
Should we attempt a GTLU tomorrow without my actual presence? I will go by group consensus
You’re goin’ soft E.
I’d like this social experiment. Can the masses survive without the guiding iron hand.?
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Tyler Kepner interviewed on EEI and said he believes Yanks will take the division, quoted that no Yankee team with a 7-game lead ever lost the division, hedged a bit, and then ended up saying he thought Yanks would win it.
Anyway, GO YANKEES!!!
I don’t envy Pete a bit and have gone from thinking that he has a sweetheart of a job covering the Yankees to thinking that it’s a heck of a haul throughout the season. After a while, I would think that it becomes as routine as any other job. I hope that the press box is cool at least.
Cash we have rain forecasted for the entire weekend (or at least chance of rain or thundershowers) but the sun has come out here and is shining brightly. But you know what they say about New England weather…
“Albert Belle must’ve been busy.” Classic Pete, classic!!
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I don’t. Just seen too many times people here freak out over 1/2 a quote and then when they hear the audio realize what was reported really wasn’t as bad as what was said.
Don’t have a clue where Rice was going. Jeter does everything right between the lines.
Just uncomfortable whenever ….appears in quotes. Sometimes what’s left out is left out for effect.
what a jackass…
Thanks, Pete. Our fearless leader defending our other fearless leader.
Can’t wait to see how Morgan spins this one on Sunday. Which black player will he defend? Hopefully, he’ll find his baseball sense in his sock drawer before the game.
Uncle E-
I am not sure. I think I am a pivitol part of the game!
And Rice wasn’t even that good. Jeter runs circles around that clown and would be lucky to sniff one of Jeter’s farts after a Mexican buffet.
Ya ESPN won’t report this because they have Peter Gammons and all of the “romantically involved” Red Sox supporting Analysts…this is just another reason to to do our best to destroy the sox tonight…but hey, this is just like that gillette commercial says.. Jeter: ” I love going into a park and hearing them boo me” something along that lines, then he says “everyday is a walk in the park, even in this park…” You go get them Jete!
Jeter is the classiest and most respected sports figure in sports today. He is probably one of the most respected and responsible baseball player of all time…obviously better than Jim Rice will ever be.
He’s a d-bag no doubt.
Have any of you ever heard Jim Rice speak?
If so, did you understand more than one word out of ten? Man I can’t figure out what the heck he is saying, ever. He talks at the speed of light to begin with and then whatever he is saying may be known to some, but he has me baffled!
Rice is way out of line with his comments about Jeter. He should have run his speech by Gammons before delivering it. He’d have set Jimbo straight.
pat,
The end of the article mentioned that most of the teen players were nodding off. Perhaps …. was the boring stuff?
Jeter
Damon
Tex
A-Rod
Posada
Matsui
Cano
Hinskie
Melky
Anyone who watches NESN’s in studio programming knows that Jim Rice is a very poorly dressed man with a low IQ.
Typical schmuck, no one has ever had a negative word to say about Jeter and his career and the way he plays the game. Before Rice gets on a soapbox he might want to watch who’s names he throws out there, did he mention David Ortiz or he forget about him. Individuals like this make me sick. Don’t lump every guy together and act holier than thou, as though your crap doesn’t stink Rice, or at least know who you comment on and about and what your point is. Jeter is individual driven, okay, must be why he sets all those statistical records. Ricey won’t hear the end of this that’s for sure.
Dollars to donuts they didn’t know what he was saying either. The guy just does not articulate!
Absolutely insane. This guy all of a sudden thinks his opinion is relevant because he was undeservedly put in the HOF.
And LOL at suggesting Thome is a HOFer too.
Riiight.
I do not presume to have a vote in this GTLU question, but I think, with clear and firm instructions posted tonight, a round for tomorrow could work. Just pick a firm deadline for lineup submissions.
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Is there a Hall of Fame impeachment process? I want Rice out.
Maybe he’ll release a clarification and say “I did not have factual relations with that statement.”
Too bad I dont watch NESN, I would have boycotted it
Unfortunately, being a no-class jerk doesn’t disqualify anyone from the HoF. Too bad.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixera 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Gammons loves Jeter.
Chambliss you need to post positions too.
Great job, Pete. What’s worse is how he described those guys: baggy uniforms, dreadlocks and steroids.
Where exactly does Jeter fit in there?
I suppose I could summon my amazing powers of articulation to take Rice to task in more than a dozen ways, but it would just be way too easy. So let’s just ignore this fool and bask in the entertainment value of a moron and the class act of Jeter.
So, Pete, since you mentioned it, what’s Albert Belle up to these days? I’m guessing he’s in some sort of anger rehab center since he retired.
Those kids and their parents/coaches know more about Jeter than Rice does.
I’d agree with A-Rod and Manny…but Jeter?
Give me a break.
Guess the Lineup is:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
Alex 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
If there is one person left in baseball that exemplifies class, it’s Derek Jeter. Jeter is a true professional, and someone that kids should be told to look up to.
Rice owes Jeter an apology, and he should do it publicly and privately.
I wouldn’t even group A-Rod with Manny. A-Rod looks professional on the field… I wouldn’t let Manny wash my car windshield.
“baggy uniforms”
CC: world class great guy
“Hopefully somebody on the Yankees will call out Rice on this. He deserves to be taken to task. What a classless remark”
Paging Hank Steinbrenner…
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixera 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Back from a few threads ago:
Boston Bars:
the Sevens on Beacon Hill
A guy who has no business being in the HOF unless he buys a ticket, calling out a first ballot HOF’er, who is a better player than he ever was.
Man, talk about hubris! lol
Jim ought to thank his lucky stars the only member of the Boston media he didn’t dump on in his time was Peter Gammons.
Gammons is the only reason Jim Rice is in the HOF.
What a joke.
What would Rice say if Alex said, “I can understand Mr. Rice’s comments about me. But to say that Derek Jeter is not a role model for kids is ridiculous. Derek’s always played the game the right way. I’d even let my daughter marry him!”
“I can understand Mr. Rice’s comments about me. But to say that Derek Jeter is not a role model for kids is ridiculous. Derek’s always played the game the right way. I’d even let my daughter marry him!”
LOL
Pigs will fly before A-Rod would put his ego aside and say something like that.
What has jeter ever done for the yankees? I mean besides win 4 titles, cause no trouble on page 6, be a model captain for the most famous team in the country, never bad mouth any player or coach, and damn him for his commitment to professionalism and not wanting to come out of games when hurt.
Seriously jim? Jeter may have no choice but to look at his stats cause when its said and done he’s a 1st ballot HOF and someone gave u the keys to the back door. Please put down the bottle before speaking to kids.
Great catch Pete. Always liked Rice better when he kept his mouth shut.
Jim Rice is a punk and loser and deserves to be taught a lesson for spreading false rumors about Derek Jeter. To lump Jetes in with a knucklehead like many is libelous. Either by someones fist or in court, Jim Rice will surely pay for these slanderous comments.
By the way, isn’t Rice the guy who flung his bat after striking out and hit some little kid upside the head? Then he tried to make up for it by visiting the kid in the hospital? I forget the details.
Bad karma always has a way of coming around, Jim Rice.
it’s become an unfortunate situation because if you want to get into sports entertainment the best way to go about it these days seems to be to just say stupid ridiculous things so people will talk about you…it’s worked for guys like francesca and bayles etc. There are a few guys out there who do a good job and make a living on being interesting because they are factually sound and have a decent opinion but not enough of them…
Who is Jim Rice?
Seriously I saw the article on SI this morning and I was waiting for this post. His point is valid about many in the game but he couldn’t be more wrong about the captain. And then to use guys like Ichiro as examples? I like Ichiro but he’s not exactly known as a team player.
Now, we will get all of the 10 year old Red Sox trolls on board in this thread.
Its a great diversion instead of talking about their team battling for the WC.
Its all they have to talk about these days.
To paraphrase Ken Singleton:
“The Hall of Fame is for the really great players…and Jim Rice.”
Maybe Jim Rice doesn’t like people who establish residency in Florida for tax purposes?
Maybe he’s just a mouthpiece for Bloomberg????
I think this is a little bit of an overreaction to what Rice said. I think Rice lumped Jeter in that group because of his large contract. He really shouldn’t be complaining about guys like Manny or Jeter because they’ve won more than he ever did. Call Manny self-centered if you want but when the postseason came around he did nothing but perform and rally his teammates in the same way Jeter did. You can’t say that for “the cooler” (as he was known in Texas) Alex Rodriguez.
Here’s who is in today’s “Guess the Line Up” so far. Submissions until 3:30
NYYROC, Upstate Kate, Ed H, Nick, Ramey, J-Dawg, Hokiehill, Andrew33, NHype, Unknown, Yanksfan (all the same)
Uncle E
Chambliss
LMAO that’s a great line M
Actually, in the scheme of things it’s no big deal because any kid who watches the game knows what Jeter is all about and knows the esteem in which he is held. So yeah Rice is a fool. Next!
Here’s my lineup. Thanks Erica.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
I dont know what Rice was thinking. Jeter is one of the people that I respect along with Rivera. I can see why he critized Arod and Manny but Jeter?
Rice’s comments don’t even warrant our time. I bet you 99% of the kids he spoke to thought he was a tool after hearing him mention Jeter’s name. Some of them might not have even knew who he was. He didn’t do anything in that speech but embarass himself and the people who voted him into the Hall.
What a joke….I was surprised when he was elected in the first place. The HOF shouldn’t be all about numbers and even there he was borderline.
Sox call up Bowden. Could it be they’re concerned they’ll need a long man over the next couple days? (:
Supposedly Varitek to the DL is to be the corresponding move.
I hope Rice talks to Ortiz about getting some better fitting pants tonight.
Hope he told Damon and the boys years ago to shave because you can win a WS with a beard and long hair
Jason Zillo’s already made the rounds. You’ll hear a lot of, “I haven’t read the comments, but to us Jeter has been nothing short of the perfect teammate and captain.” That kind of stuff.
I personally don’t think he said anything wrong
Baseball has deviated away from the love of the game… it is all about big contracts and glitz and celebrity. Players these days are spoiled. They are not baseball players, they are celebrities who play baseball.
Rice is a HOF and he is 100% right.
Adding Jeter is what ruined this quote
He was right about Manny and A-Rod though
“I bet you 99% of the kids he spoke to thought he was a tool after hearing him mention Jeter’s name”
I’d bet 100% were thinking “Who the eff is Jim Rice?”. These kids were born in 1996/97 after all.
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You let Andy marry your daughter, you don’t let Jeter even in the same room as them.
Okay I just read the story.
What a walking POS. Well at least he went into the Hall in the right uniform.
Bowden and Hunter Jones are the ones who shut us down that Sunday Night game in April… not looking forward to facing him out of the pen again.
m
August 21st, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Jason Zillo’s already made the rounds. You’ll hear a lot of, “I haven’t read the comments, but to us Jeter has been nothing short of the perfect teammate and captain.” That kind of stuff.
I want to hear what Pedroier and Varytech have to say.
somebody get this guy to meet us under the paul oneill banner!! we’ll show him classless..
Who would of thought that out of the class of 09′, Rickey would end up being the smart & classy inductee.
i maintain to this day that Jim rice is not a HOFer! Unbelievable comments from him…
if it wasn’t for guys like Manny gettign caught with roids..Jim Rice wouldn’t even be in the HOF!!
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1b
Arod 3b
Matsui DH
Posada C
Swisher RF
Cano 2b
Melky CF
I don’t think Rice should have criticized anyone. He could have gotten his point across by naming the things he felt kids should concentrate on and leave it at that. He did not have to draw a comparison.
He’s got a lot of mouth for a marginal HOFer.
Walter,
the problem with your comment is you’re agreeing with Rice for saying something he didnt say. What he said has nothing to do with what you wrote.
The jerk is lucky to have made the hall. I can’t post what I think about here because I’ll be banned. How does the LLWS even consider asking him to speak. Pete since you have such a great relationship with Mussina give him a call and ask him why Rice was asked to talk.
I think its resentment about the money.
I predict Rice will apologize and/or “clarify” his comments before too long.
But yeah, the whole thing was tone deaf. Talking to kids and teens about the evils of baggy pants and deadlocks?
How about the moustaches and beards of his era, or the fact that most players never say the inside of a weight room?
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
“Rice is a HOF and he is 100% right.”
Say no to drugs.
Yeah, it was never about the money in the 70′s.
The advent of free agency and arbitration and guess who was at the front of the class, with his hand out, getting what was in those days, Jim Rice.
He’s a fraud. He was a jerk and overrated player when he played, and he’s a jerk now.
He’s only in the HOF because Peter Gammons spoke up for him. That’s it.
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The napping may have been a problem of Rice not knowing his audience.
If you watch the Little League WS, you know that Manny, Alex, Derek and Pujols are the players most of the kids list as their favorites.
The last paragraph tells you everything you need to know about how pre-teen ballplayers feel about Jim Rice – about the same way everyone else does.
“… the 11- to 13-year-old players were yawning or had their heads in their arms on the table about 15 minutes into the talk.”
Yeah, because this Yankee team isn’t better than the one in April.
They should really fear Bowden. lol
The fact that he stuck Jeter’s name in with two outed steroid users…I really don’t like what he could be implying there.
Considering the guy’s induction into the HOF is one of the biggest jokes in its history, he should just STFU, talking smack about a player like Jeter.
“I think its resentment about the money.”
It most certainly is. He’s jealous because these guys are making money that he could only dream about. His motives are quite obvious. He’s not fooling anyone.
Guess the Lineup for today:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
That was weird by Rice to bring Jeter into that mix … you can see where he was going with his point, but it makes no sense to rattle off names of recent players who have tainted the game and THEN throw in Derek Jeter.
I wonder if he is questioned about what he said if he will recant his statement and apologize for including Jeter … or … he will actually try and explain why he thinks Derek Jeter doesnt compare with the comtemporaries he played with/against.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1b
Arod 3b
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2b
Swisher RF
Melky CF
Manny and A-rod i can see why he said because of the steroids. but to include jeter is just stupid. I hope everyone on the Yankees defends jeter the way Pete did lol. in the espn article he also didnt include Jeter in present players deserving of the hall, meanwhile Jeter is 100 times a better player at age 35 than rice ever was.
Here’s my favorite part of the story…
“He got a standing ovation from players and coaches, though some of the 11- to 13-year-old players were yawning or had their heads in their arms on the table about 15 minutes into the talk.”
Even the kids, when they heard the Jeter part, went “Oh this old guy is really bitter and crazy!” and then it was nap time. lol
4 x 4
August 21st, 2009 at 3:00 pm
“Hopefully somebody on the Yankees will call out Rice on this. He deserves to be taken to task. What a classless remark”
Paging Hank Steinbrenner…
Perfect! This is the perfect job for Hank.
If you’ve ever heard Rices incoherent babbling on NESN, this is not a big surprise.He clearly was not cut out to be an announcer of any kind. This was a blatant cheap shot,though.
Jeter has been the near perfect ballplayer (for the Yankees) for 15 years and a great representative for the yankee organization. He is not the perfect “captain” of the team, however. He has his little circle of friends and that’s all that’s included in his protective custody. He is exactly what Joe DiMaggio was during his time. Right or wrong, if you crossed DiMaggio or now Jeter, you don’t get that protection from the fans or media. The Rodriguez/Giambi issues are proof of that.
this should motivate the Yanks even more if they see the article !
Jim Rice is not even in the same universe as Jeter….Just goes to show what kind of franchise the Red Sox have…..
The funny part is, steroids or not, he’s not in the same league as the 3 players he ripped.
Never was, never will be, regardless of him being in the HOF.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixera 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
That may be the single-most stupid thing ever said about an iconic baseball player.
Rice should give back the ’78 MVP award he stole from Guidry.
he never deserved to be in the HOF
Jeter won’t say anything. He’ll let his bat do the talking
” He is not the perfect “captain” of the team, however. He has his little circle of friends and that’s all that’s included in his protective custody. He is exactly what Joe DiMaggio was during his time. Right or wrong, if you crossed DiMaggio or now Jeter, you don’t get that protection from the fans or media. The Rodriguez/Giambi issues are proof of that.”
Uh oh. There goes the old man slamming Jeter again. m is not going to be happy.
This is the last call for today’s Guess the Line Up
Submissions end at 3:30
Here’s who is in today’s “Guess the Line Up” so far.
NYYROC, Upstate Kate, Ed H, Nick, Ramey, J-Dawg, Hokiehill, Andrew33, NHype, Unknown, Yanksfan, Rob in VT, Miggs, Andrew, Kenny (all the same)
Uncle E, Ralphie D (same)
Chambliss
GreenBeret7
As far as I know, Jeter has only freezed out two people. One who he was very close to but was offended by a magazine article quote (A-Rod), and another who dissed him for dancing with A-Rod during a fight (Chad Curtis).
Are there any others?
“I personally don’t think he said anything wrong
Baseball has deviated away from the love of the game… it is all about big contracts and glitz and celebrity. Players these days are spoiled. They are not baseball players, they are celebrities who play baseball.
Rice is a HOF and he is 100% right.”
[sigh] Walter, Walter, Walter…
What’s truly the problem here?
Are you expecting players of the current era to agree to pay for less?
Revenues for the game are astromically higher than they werein Rice’s era, so you want the revenue to go solely to the owners.
Current players can only do what they can do, which is to put as much effort into the game as possible, and I don’t think anyone would begrudge most players of that.
The workout year round more than any players of any era. They work out in weight room and take batting practice during the season as much as any player from any other era.
And I really don’t think when the first pitch is thrown they try any less harder.
Your argument is they CAN’T be as professional and can’t try as hard and can’t care as much because they make too much money to do so, which is a illogical, ill-conceived premise.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixera 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Posada C
Cabera CF
Hi Erica,
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
A Rod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Cabera CF
Laura,
lol. I was going to say that Jeter didn’t support A-rod re: the fans booing because deep in his heart, he knew. He saw Alex’s body change after years of sleepovers.
But then that doesn’t explain why he supported the Big G. Unless, Jeter was also the victim of a stomach parasite!
As pretty much everyone has said, Rice was right about the first half of that statement, but when he added The Captain to his list, he stepped over the line.
Jeter has been nothing but a class act his entire career. He is Mr. Perfect when it comes to presenting himself as a team player and a man in front of the media. Not once has Jeter ever said anything bad about a teammate or an opposing player, or the management and coaching staff.
Rice must have been smoking something to think otherwise.
Neyer checks in on the topic-
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/swe.....-n-t-.html
Jeter-SS
Damon-LF
Tex-1B
AROD-3B
Matsui-DH
Posada-C
Cano-2B
Swisher-RF
Melky-CF
Got to cut Jim Ed a break….took him forever to get in and he’s a little too hyped up. No one said he was a mensa member. I think he just started spouting out names…I’m sure he’ll retract the Jeter comment…everyone knows Jeter is true class, even Little Leaguers and Sawx fans.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixera 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Did you all see that the Sox called up Bowden and activated Baldelli from the DL; the only corresponding move I saw was possibly Varitek to DL (neck).
No reason to un-gag Hank. Respond to Rice’s trash with class.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Texeria 1B
A-Rod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Melky CF
Richie
August 21st, 2009 at 3:21 pm
GreenBeret7
As far as I know, Jeter has only freezed out two people. One who he was very close to but was offended by a magazine article quote (A-Rod), and another who dissed him for dancing with A-Rod during a fight (Chad Curtis).
Are there any others?
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Jeter wasn’t the team captain when Curtis was on the Yankees.
This idiotic statement Rice makes, which includes a derogatory statement about the classiest guy in MLB, is the reason he was kept out of the HOF for so long, and a reason why he should never talk to kids. What a dope.
I hope they put Rice’s plaque next to Ty Cobb’s. Those two deserve each other.
Jete also froze out Gary Sheffield. When Sheffield said something to the effect that Jeter was “half white” or something like that, it ended their friendship.
They used to hang out a lot together in the off-season. Not anymore.
In fact, last week, Sheffield said one of his (few) regrets was what he said about Jeter. It ruined their friendship.
““You see a Manny Ramirez, you see an A-Rod, you see Jeter … Guys that I played against and with, these guys you’re talking about cannot compare,” Rice said.”
LMAO…LMAO …:lol:
Nothing riles up the masses like someone questioning Jeter’s divinity.
I love how people rip on Jeter for being a weak captain. It’s a well documented story that Jeter took Wells to task when Wells showed up the defense in 1998. Do you guys really think that’s the only time he stepped up and set things right?
Major League Baseball should force him to make an apology. Jeter’s not in his class…because Jeter’s better. Jeter is an automatic first ballot HOFer. This is basically SLANDER. He is implying something about Jeter that is not true.
I hope this puts to rest the suggestion by a poster earlier today that only actual Hall of Famers should have votes for who gets in. this is exactly the kind of petty, jealous stuff you’d have.
GreenBeret7
My point is that I can only think of two players that “crossed him,” and I was wondering if you could recall any others.
Just read that there are Joba rules in place for Rangers pitcher Neftali Feliz. I thought Nolan Ryan doesn’t believe in them? Guess he’s a hypocrit.
Not sure if Rice’s comment was more classless or just incredibly stupid. Calling out Jeter seems to be stupid. Bringing up Manny and Alex smacks of classlessness.
Those two guys did get busted for roids, and they have been primadonnas… but I’ve never heard two guys spoken more highly-of when it comes to work ethic and god-given talent.
Frankly, he sounds like a bitter old man who is misremembering his career.
Neyer:
“A pox on Jim Rice, and a double-pox on Allstate for hiring him to pester our tender youths.”
Sounds like something Nick in Larkspur would say, don’t it?
“freezing out” Sheffield makes it sound like Jeter was somehow in the wrong there.
The submission window for today’s Guess the Line Up is now closed
No more submissions please
NYYanksFan
Nothing riles up the masses like someone questioning Jeter’s divinity.
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Jeter is a very good offensive player who has been below average defensively until the last year or so, but I don’t think anyone can reasonably say that he is overly focused on individual goals.
SJ-
Sheff made those references on HBO Real Sports in relation to his relationship with Torre and how Torre treated black players differently, when the interviewer asked well what about Jeter he said Jeter “ain’t all the way black,”
Also, remember when we were kids? There was always that one kid who nobody wanted in the club, but for some reason he eventually got let in anyways, even though he didn’t really deserve it. And remember how that was always the kid who talked the most, tried to take over, and totally lost sight of the fact that he never really belonged there in the first place?
Hello again, Jim Rice. I’ve missed you since 4th Grade.
Rob Neyer rips apart Jim Rice with aplomb.
“http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-4-200/Jim-Rice-tells-it-like-it-was-n-t-.html”
Jim Rice=bitter fart
LOL! Rice is crazy!
I have no issue with Jim Rice being in the HOF, because he was a very good hitter. That said, he wasn’t an elite HOF or anywhere near that. It is ashame someone asked him to represent MLB with the LL players. I doubt what he says has any impact on them as most of them never heard of him before! LOL!
Jeter will now get 12 hits in this series. Whenever somebody makes a comment about him he lets his play do the talking.
“My point is that I can only think of two players that “crossed him,” and I was wondering if you could recall any others.”
He’s not Don Corelone.
Chad Curtis sleeps with the fishes.
As a lifelong Sox fan who detests the Yankees, My two cents is Rice is a buffoon. Jeter is the antithesis of the self centered me myself and I modern player. While we all of course want him to fail miserable on the field, he clearly is nonpareil as a ballplayer, teammate, team leader etc.
Rice always has been a horrible speaker, and is kind of a dushebag.
Ok Now I’m going back to hating on the Yanks, please do not quote any of the positive remarks I have made about Jeter.
Here is the original story on Sheff and his interview on HBO Real SPorts. Classy guy that Gary Sheffield
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2935737
GB, I’m not in the clubhouse, but I did think Jeter did a bad job with Alex. I’m sure they are friends now, but while Jeter was still angry with Alex for his GQ commentes, I felt that he didn’t support him as well he could have. That said, he’s still a fine captain……he’s not a perfect person, no one is.
Cliques in the clubhouse? I’m sure Jeter is closer to some teammates than others……just like every player in every clubhouse. Jim Rice is a complete loser……and that’s the nicest thing I can say about him.
SJ44,
Sheff commented how Torre favored white players and when someone brought up Jeter he said he’s not really black. I think Jeter’s gripe with Sheff had more to do with what he said about Torre. But that’s just my opinion.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixera 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
(No time to rest the regulars, this first game of the series.)
I think Rice may have mispoke when including Jeter. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, until he’s called out on it. If he stands by his inclusion of Jeter, then he’s a toad. Since I can’t understand naming Jeter, I have to believe it was a simple mistake on Rice’s part. At least I hope so. We’ll find out soon enough I guess.
Rice absolutely belongs in the HOF, since Tony Perez made it. Rice > Tony Perez. The HOF cheapened the requirements needed to make it, and as a result, players of Rice’s quality, gained entrance. To me there are “all-star” players, and there are HOF’ers. Rice is an All-star player IMO, but not quite a HOF’er. That’s not a slap at Rice either. Again though, there are less deserving players who made it before Rice, and therefore, by that standard, he absolutely should be in.
“Got to cut Jim Ed a break….took him forever to get in and he’s a little too hyped up. No one said he was a mensa member. I think he just started spouting out names…I’m sure he’ll retract the Jeter comment…everyone knows Jeter is true class, even Little Leaguers and Sawx fans.”
The article said he spoke for 15 minutes to the kids… surely he had some prepared material. This doesn’t sound like he was simply speaking extemporaneously. Rather it sounds like he has little respect for today’s players because he’s bought into the media-fueld roid outrage.
He may not be a Mensa member, but whenever he says anything in a public forum, he will be speaking as Jim Rice, HOF member. He needs to take that a little more seriously.
LOL I’m sure Neyer agrees with Jim Rice….
By the way, I completely agree with Michael Kay when he says there has to be a penalty for getting in the playoffs through the wild card. Right now, big deal – they get one less home game. How about getting only 1 home game? I also think it’s ridiculous that the division winner can not play the WC team from its own division. Exactly how fair is that? It’s not……Why should the team with the best record get penalized and have to play a better team?
Tex on with Kay now….
It had nothing to do with Torre. Jeter is friends with guys who hate Joe Torre.
It was about what Sheffield had to say about him. That’s why they no longer speak.
I think Green Beret has it right. Jeter certainly has not been above freezing teammates out. Never feared making the point to the media over the past 5-6 years prior to this one that “this team” hasn’t done anything.
Still, one can’t argue he plays the game the way it’s meant to be played and has done so with tremendous success and without a hint of scandal. He simply can’t be included in a group that includes Arod and Ramirez in that regard.
Don’t think Rice was especially out of line in what he was saying about today’s player and I’d defy anyone to find me an ex-ballplayer who doesn’t think “his era” was the gold standard for the game, but his inclusion of Jeter’s name totally diminishes whatever his message was supposed to be.
Responding to this will be a good test for Alex. We know how Jeter will react, but let’s see if Alex can keep his cool.
We’re getting closer to October, after all…
Uncle Ellsworth (#2 needs 25 to tie #4)
He’s not Don Corelone.
Chad Curtis sleeps with the fishes.
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Curtis does have a Jesus fish on his car.
Jeter was not below average defensively (and I dont care about UZR) until a few years ago. And like you said, he bounced back last year and has been even better this year.
Laura – I like the new and improved Alex! He’s a keeper.
August 21st, 2009 at 3:20 pm
” He is not the perfect “captain” of the team, however. He has his little circle of friends and that’s all that’s included in his protective custody. He is exactly what Joe DiMaggio was during his time. Right or wrong, if you crossed DiMaggio or now Jeter, you don’t get that protection from the fans or media. The Rodriguez/Giambi issues are proof of that.”
Uh oh. There goes the old man slamming Jeter again. m is not going to be happy.
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I know that you said that mostly in jest, but, it wasn’t a slam at Jeter. I just don’t see how a player can select which teammate he is the captain of and who he isn’t. It’s either the entire team or none.
As far as what was said in that article, you’d think that by now, most people, including Jeter would read who said it and in one context it was said. In 2001, very few teams thought of Jeter as the threat to turn the game around with one swing….not with bats like Bernie Williams, a developing Posada, Martinez and O’Neill. Jeter just did his same thing every game. He was nobody’s afterthought and Rodriguez never said that. Rodriguez, until this spring, just said the words that seemed clear to him and not how it sounded to others. Unless the writer releases the audio tapes of that interview, I wouldn’t even guarantee that it wasn’t incorrect or taken out of context.
One other thing….don’t assume that Jeter wasn’t just the least bit jealous of Rodriguez at that time. There is jealousy from both sides. Highly normal for two high profile players playing the same possition….especially friends.
“As a lifelong Sox fan who detests the Yankees, My two cents is Rice is a buffoon. Jeter is the antithesis of the self centered me myself and I modern player. While we all of course want him to fail miserable on the field, he clearly is nonpareil as a ballplayer, teammate, team leader etc.
Rice always has been a horrible speaker, and is kind of a dushebag.
Ok Now I’m going back to hating on the Yanks, please do not quote any of the positive remarks I have made about Jeter.”
Nice job.
I guess the HOF committee doesn’t always pick the “brightest” stars.
I think Manny, A-Rod, & Jeter should chip in and buy Jim a brain. Or Manny could at least pass him the bong…
Richie
Jeter is human. You don’t get where he has in this game without ego.
He may not seem overly focused on individual goals but you don’t put in as much effort as any of these guys do without the goal being to make yourself better.
If Alex was smart, he would take some tips from Jeter on how to talk in front of the media…
SJ44,
You may be right. Either way, Sheff is a clown…as he’s pointing out very clearly once again.
I’m not defending Jim Rice pawning off his baggage to little-leaguers but I’m glad someone finally called Jeter on his selfishness.
And Pete, I’ll happily listen to you or anyone else tell me I’m wrong, as long as you first explain to me why A-rod has played 3rd base his entire Yankee career.
Don’t tell me Jeter’s a team player until you can answer that question.
would have been nice if he ran his yapper BEFORE he got let into the HOF…then it could have never happened. Neyer was on point with his blog post.
“Why should the team with the best record get penalized and have to play a better team?”
You think the Yankees wouldn’t prefer playing the Tigers to the Red Sox or Rays???
as was Pete!
Captain’s lead the team. They’re friends with who they want to be freinds with. The two have nothing to do with each other.
Yeah, Alex has really been terrible in front of the media this year.
God, I hate Yankee-Red Sox games. Every clown in the world comes on here posting gibberish.
Can’t wait for these 3 games to be over.
Richie
August 21st, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Uncle Ellsworth (#2 needs 25 to tie #4)
He’s not Don Corelone.
Chad Curtis sleeps with the fishes.
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Curtis does have a Jesus fish on his car.
Along with David Puddy- A seinfeld reference a day here at Kramerica Industries
There was a reason it took so long for him to get voted into the HOF – he is an arrogant moron…..I know Derek won’t say anything negative, but I bet some players (teammates as well as non-teammates) will back him up.
Thank you Trisha.
I do wish at times that Rabid Sox Fans and Rabid Yanks fans could get along, as talking baseball with a passionate real fanatic is always a pleasure, but the reality is that this is often the exception and not the rule.
The only thing I DETEST is fair weather fans. When your team sucks, stand by them, no front running Lakers/Duke/Duke/Cowboys/Lebron/Yankees wannabe fans, they make me seethe.
And also the past is past. This year The Yanks are the better team, some years this is true, some not, but in 2009, The Yanks are better. We will see how this asserts itself in October shant we
BRING ME THE HEAD OF JIM RICE….over rice.
You are right about Jeter but he’s the exception to the rule. Rice is on the mark with just about everyone else. Of course, when he played, he was Manny and A-Rod.
Derek Jeter is a selfish player? LOL
Yup, its definitely Yankee-Red Sox weekend.
“I know that you said that mostly in jest, but, it wasn’t a slam at Jeter.”
It was said 100% in jest. I think that there is some truth to what you said. I have been very critical of Jeter’s handling of the A-Rod stadium booing nonsense. If he spoke up for Giambi, as Captain, he should have spoke up for Alex. But they were in different places then. They have a new relationship now and I bet that if that same situation presented itself today, Jeter would say something. Maybe.
SoxFan, you know what aggravates me about you? The fact that you make it impossible to hate you!
There are two or three Sox fans who come here and are absolute family. It appears you would definitely be one of those exceptions of whom you speak. Then of course there are the trolls. They are aggravating.
“The only thing I DETEST is fair weather fans. When your team sucks, stand by them, no front running Lakers/Duke/Duke/Cowboys/Lebron/Yankees wannabe fans, they make me seethe.”
I am so with you. If your team is in last place you love them the same way you would if they were in first place. They’re your guys and you support them through thick and thin.
I think you have a place here if you want to talk baseball. You will have to overlook the natural trash talk that happens on a team blog – and I will admit I am one of the biggest offenders. I do hate the Red Sox (but I call them the Sux.)
But I try to be as respectful as I can of the good guys who come here and post and are Red Sox fans. That would be Dennis Costanza, Ray (Sox fan) and Brian (Sox fan). When you see those names you know you have company!
Welcome to lohud. I of course hope we beat the tar out of your guys this weekend!
Neyer makes a great point in his post:
Rice is saying the same thing about this generation of players that older players were saying about Rice’s generation of players.
And they are both wrong.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that one generation of humans has a monopoly on the genetic traits necessary to be great baseball players. I just don’t see how anyone can argue one generation is “better” than the other, unless the human race somehow detiorated in hand-eye coordination from one era to the next.
Really, the only difference between today’s players and the older generation are advances in preparation technique’s (both legal and otherwise). If Rice wants to argue that players helped by sterouds are actually no better than players from his generation who weren’t, fine.
But to say that Derek Jeter (who by every conceivable piece of evidence we have in front of us has been clean his whole career)doesn’t compare to players of his generation…the mind boggles.
Oh, and ever since the first player got paid the first cent to play professional baseball, players have cared deeply about how much money they got paid. As well they should. To describe one generation as “greedier” than another, is again, short-sighted. The players in the 1940′s got paid so much less not because they were “morally superior” to today’s player, but because they hadn’t organized into an effective union. If they had a chance to make the money today’s players are making, they would.
OH, c’mon people, Rice is right! .. Derek Jeter couldn’t carry Rick Beurleson’s jock!
btw, this is sarcasm
2 final points on the Rice thing.
I guarantee someone on the Sawx will get drilled tonight because of this. Andy will defend his captain and friend.
Wasn’t Rice still around for some of the free wheelin’ steroid years? The numbers on the back of his card should look like the guy who shot up for a few years, then stopped, then was out of the league. Just sayin’
Jim Rice was washed up at the same age Derek Jeter is right now. He was a year away from being out of baseball. He’s a borderline HOFer if there ever was one.
He might have gotten in sooner if he wasnt an arrogant classless jerk in his playing days. No doubt many writers didnt forget that.
His assertion that players in his day were “clean” is an outright lie. Accoding to Jim Boutin, players in Rice’s era took greenies like they were M&M’s.
Also, Rice was the “captain” of the 1987 team that is best know for the “Delta Force” escapade. For those of you too young to remember, Delta Force was the name given by Wade Boggs for his endevor of taking pictures of his teamates in compromising situations. It was Bogg’s defense mechanism for any fallout of his affair with Margo Adams. He needed to go that far to keep his out of control teamates at bay.
Rice is no arbiter of standards and the Little League ought to be ashamed of itself for having Jim Rice address players & coaches.
“You see a Manny Ramirez, you see an A-Rod, you see Jeter … Guys that I played against and with…”
Rice’s last year was 1989. Jeter’s first was 1995. Manny’s first–1993. A-Rod’s–1994. So which one of them did Rice play with or against again?
“we didn’t have the baggy uniforms, the dreadlocks”…point being? So these guys are bad examples b/c of how they wear their clothes and hair? I’d say it’s rice who is a bad role model because he’s promoting looks-based discrimination. Ass. And as for the steroids…players back then had the luxury of steroids not being available, and therefore not needing to find a way to keep up with cheating competition. If there had been the same availability of steroids back then, there would have been plenty of guys using them. Honestly, the only un-rolemodely things about jeter are that once in a while he refuses to take a stand or come out and say something b/c it may be controversial, and as a leader that is something that i believe he should do, and perhaps his promiscuity and apparent shallowness when it comes to women, but a) thats nobody’s business, and b) who are we to judge? But saying somebody is a bad role model because he makes a lot of money and plays for the yankees? come on, that’s pathetic
GW Plunkett…..he meant Jeter, A-Rod and Manny dont compare to the guys he played with in his day……and he’s right, none of them have sons who deal steroids like the remy boy!
Hey Jim… News Flash: You have NOOOO RINGS!
Jete has 4!
Talk about a role model? You flexed?!
Since ESPN has a man crush on anyone who wears a Boston hat, they won’t mention it.
Who in their right mind puts Manny, Arod and Jeter is the same group?
Jim Rice played poor defense in Left field, one of the worst defensive positions in the game. His hitting wan overrated and inflated due to playing in Fenway Park. Away from Feway, he was nothing special. He was not nearly the ball player as Dwight Evans or Tim Raines.
Ah, thanks, Corey. That wasn’t clear from the OP. Still a dumb comment. Just slightly less so.
Wow. What a tool.
hearing this made me SO heated….. I feel like physically abusing jim rice and taking away his HOF election…. but i will take the NOT self-absorbed, NOT classless and team player approach….. unlike jeter of course.
brian NYY is right.. who in their right mind puts jeter manny and arod in their own group. iif there could be players 3 way opposite from eachother, those 3 are it.
You gonna throw Bob Feller out too? Ain’t nobody criticized today’s players more than he has. How are Rice’s comments different? And save the answer; we all know it
Oh when will Derek Jeter ever learn that baggy uniforms and dread lock are unclassy !! Silly Derek!
Thome was a juicer btw. Wonder how that would make Rice feel?
The funniest thing is the obvious folks….
Jim Rice’s career season avg: 55 walks (62 career high), 110 Ks (126 career high), .352 OBP (.384 career high).
and Jeter’s career season avg: 66 walks (91 career high), 111 Ks (125 career high), .387 OBP (.438 career high).
Ergo, if getting on base means you’re a good team player, like what Rice said (and by his own standards this is what he values), then Rice should actually check facts first.
Damn hands, nothing surprises me, but where did you see data about Thome being a juicer? I’ve not read that anywhere to be proven, although I know there have been whispers.
I too REALLY hope someone calls Rice out on this – current Yank (OR SOCK?!) or old – Reggie? Goose? Yogi? Torre? Damon? Swish? Jorge? Bueller? Bueller?
Well at least Jim Rice knows how to make a series interesting! The Yankees have spent the last month going something like 23-7 to make sure only a sweep would hurt them.
Who knew that Jim Rice was such a team player. I guess they forgot that on his HOF plaque!!
I don’t think being a no-class idiot qualifies under Rule 5.
O CAPTAIN! my Captain! our fearful trip is done;
The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won;
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:
But O heart! heart! heart! 5
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
2
O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up—for you the flag is flung—for you the bugle trills; 10
For you bouquets and ribbon’d wreaths—for you the shores a-crowding;
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head;
It is some dream that on the deck, 15
You’ve fallen cold and dead.
3
My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still;
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;
The ship is anchor’d safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;
From fearful trip, the victor ship, comes in with object won; 20
Exult, O shores, and ring, O bells!
But I, with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
How we complain directly to Jim Rice? Derek should not be mentioned in same sentence as Ramirez & A-Rod
I wouldn’t take it too much to heart, yankee fans, about what Rice said to the little leaguers. Anyone one of us who has watched him for years on NESN can tell you that he’s one of those rare talents who manages to talk constantly and hardly say anything at the same time. His idea of post-game commentary is to say something like “a good hitter has to hit the ball and that’s what he did.”
It’s hardly worth the effort to get worked up over it.
I think it’s funny that the last paragraph of the story describes the little leaguers yawning and looking bored when Rice hit the 15 minute mark. What genius thought Rice could talk clearly for 15 minutes?
On a broader point, every generation of baseball players seems to think they were more talented and better stewards of the game than the current generation.
I guarantee you that if you research it, some player from the 1950s/60s was critical of Rices’s era of the 70s/80s because players had moustaches, sideburns and the occasional afro.
Rice is a bona-fida idiot.
He’s got an inferiority complex because he knew his team-mate Dewey Evans…was more clutch and way more appreciated player than he was.
The world should ignore Jim Rice, because someone this stupid deserves pity for opening his mouth and allowing those words to spew out concerning Jeter. I’m with Pete on this one, Rice needs to be called out, be a man, and give a very public apology to Jeter. Jeter will be a first round pick to the HOF, too bad Rice made it, he shows a total lack of belonging.
I love that you called Rice a no class idiot in the headline. LOL
Peter you were quoted on realgm.com I put the link in my website field but here it is again:
http://www.realgmbaseball.com/.....rod_manny/
How come he doesn’t mention the on-field drinking celebration the Red Sox have done after winning a post-season series? He classless, just like the current idiots on the team.
How long did it take Rice to get in the Hall ? That by iself speaks volumes.
Rice sounds like a jealous child.
What a lousy guy to speak to Little Leaguers.
Hey Jim, What about Big Papi?????
My dad went to the Little League World Series welcome breakfast in Williamsport this morning and met Jim Rice. He said he was even arrogrant, cocky, and unprofessional then. I started telling my dad how furious I was with his comments about Jeter and he was like “wow thats ironic because I just met him this morning.”
He is just a ball player. Why should we care about what none-sense that comes out that gaping hole on his face that is called a mouth???
If the players of today didn’t get their big contacts, then the owners wouldn’t be only super rich; they be super super duper duper rich. Maybe Rice is trying to get a job in broadcasting, so he’s stirring up a little publicity!!!
{On more thing; in 1978 Ron G. should have been MVP}
If the players of today didn’t get their big contacts, then the owners wouldn’t be only super rich; they be super super duper duper rich. Maybe Rice is trying to get a job in broadcasting, so he’s stirring up a little publicity!!!
{On more thing; in 1978 Ron G. should have been MVP}
dear derek,
pay him no mind. he may be loosing his sense in his old age. you are a first ballot hof’er he waited and waited and it took several campaigns to get him in the hall.
he retired with 2,452 hits, you already have 200 more than him and are still going strong. he retired with a .298 batting average, you currently sit at .317. he batted a lousy .229 in the postseason, you are batting .309 in the postseason with many many more at bats. you won rookie of the year…he did not. you won 3 gold gloves, yeah he won zero. he did win 2 silver slugger awards, but you won 3. he won zero world series rings, you have 4.
sounds like you sure could have played with him…heck maybe if he had you he might have won a ring?
Rice does not belong in the hall of fame. Sub 300 hitter, mediocre power, not even 400 homers. Not even the best player on his team. He had 3 or 4 really good years but for most of his career was just average. I think he is a affirmative action hall of fame member.
The thing that I admired about Jim Rice the most as a player, was his ability to keep his mouth shut with the press. Now he decides people want to hear his words of wisdom. To make such comments about Derek Jeter who most current baseball players have nothing but nice things to say is really off base.
When listening to the Yanks-Sox game last night, it was revealed bu a current sports reporter that when he was a kid and asked Jim Rice what his favorite part of being a baseball player was, Rice replied “The 1st and 15th of every month”. Hmmm… I no longer think HOF (Hall Of Famer) when I think of Rice. I now think HOC (Hyp-O-Crite). Jim, do us all a favor and go back to being the strong silent type. It’s best to keep your mouth closed and have people think you the fool than to open up your mouth and confirm it.
I don’t think that anyone should refer to any other person as an example of good or bad behavior. It is inappropriate, especially when given the opportunity to have a favorable impact on youth. Jim Rice’s comments reflect negatively on himself, the people asking him to speak,and the poor choice of role models people seem to follow. Jim Rice seems to have some “issues” that he has never addressed in his life. The only good thing his talk has generated, is an example of what not to say when given the chance to make a difference.
Has anyone asked Jim Rice if he even knows who Derek Jeter is. What team he plays for? What position he plays? If he gets 2 out of three I would be shocked. Clearly he has no idea and the press should be all over him to clarify why he included him with two guys who have shown that it is the money. Jeter never talks about contract and he is a true team player. The writers in Boston should be all over Rice as well. I watched the Yankees game last night and Michael Kay received a message that told him that when Rice was a player he was asked what was your favorite thing about being a ML player and he responded “the 1st and 15th”; what a hypocrite.
I never cared for Rice, his being a Red Sox aside. I put him on the same page as players like Albert Belle or Eddie Murray, guys whose mouths and/or actions off the field have something very much left to be desired.
To use Steve Somers’ terminology (words he always uses to berate Yankees callers on WFAN), Rice is full of bravado, has a sense of entitlement and air of invincibility now that he’s a HOF’er.
After reading this, part of me wants to rant about Jeter’s numbers, the fact that he owns a charity and has done a lot of good for people outside of baseball. But then, I realize that red sox fans are already embarrassed by these statements and no one would take it seriously. Rice couldn’t carry Jeter’s jock. And he knows it. He’s just jealous that he’s no longer young, that he’ll never be that great or that rich or sleep with that many gorgeous actresses. Jealousy. There is no other explanation. But to get mad at these comments is to take them seriously. His words say a hundred times more about him than they do about Derek Jeter.
Go Yankees.
Jim Rice, he gets in but Ron Santo does not? Jim Rice comments on Jeter is nothing but jealously, I bet if they have to vote in the open for hof that Rice would not vote for Jeter. I think Rice is just as smart as Mike Tyson and you know that is very intelligent!
What’s the problem Yankee fans? Rice didn’t go far enough – and why haven’t any of Jeter’s teammates jumped in to defend him?
ronrat…There’s nothing to defend. Now your boy Rice is saying he was “misquoted”, and that Jeter is not in the same company as your boy Manny. Ha, the guy is not only bitter, but now a liar! And FYI, Jeter ain’t buying it either.
As a life long Red Sox fan and someone who was glad to see Jim Rice get his due he needs to just shut up. He has no clue what he is talking about in this case. Jeter is the epitome of everything that baseball players should hope to embody. I hate to say it but the guy is flat out a winner I was born to hate the team he plays for but the man is old school. He is eveything Jim Rice was and more (given the world series rings). Furthermore he’s got too much class to respond to such a foolish comment himself. Jeter is and has always been the opposite of the players Jim Rice described. He never begs out of a game he doesn’e wear baggy pants or dreadlocks and his image is impeccable. Just another case of sour grapes from a guy I respect for his play but abhor for his attitude. Whats wrong Jim do you smell a first ballot entry cause I do.
who thinks Jim Rice was on ‘roids?
i do