Game 125: Rangers at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 25, 2009 
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YANKEES (78-46)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Pitching: RHP Joba Chamberlain (8-3, 3.98).
RANGERS (69-54)
Borbon DH
Young 3B
Hamilton RF
Byrd CF
Kinsler 2B
Cruz LF
Rodriguez C
Davis 1B
Andrus SS
Pitching: RHP Kevin Millwood (9-8, 3.48).
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., My9.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees are seven games up on Boston in the division. They are coming off a 7-3 road trip that included two out of three in Boston over the weekend. The Yankees have won 16 of their last 20 and are 27-9 since the All-Star break.
TEXAS TIME: The Rangers have lost four of their last six. They are a 1.5 games behind Boston in the AL wild card race.
THEY MEET AGAIN: The Yankees took two of three from Texas in Arlington in May and in the Bronx in early June.
TEXAS TOAST: The Yankees are 27-12 against Texas over the last five years but only 7-6 over the last two.
GUESS WHO’S BACK: Joba Chamberlain is still a member of the Yankees. He has not pitched since Aug. 16 against Seattle. Chamberlain is 4-1 with a 3.35 ERA in six starts since the All-Star break. However he is a pedestrian 1-1 with a 6.75 in his last three starts. In his last 16 innings, Chamberlain has allowed 12 earned runs on 18 hits and 12 walks.
TEXAS TROUBLE: Chamberlain has three career starts against Texas. He is 0-0 with a 7.11 ERA.
CHASING LOU: Derek Jeter 2,701 hits. Lou Gehrig has the franchise record of 2,721.
SEE YA: Thanks to Ernie Palladino for calling in the lineup. I’m not scheduled to be back at the Stadium until Thursday. But we could sneak in a few updates before the night is over.
Enjoy the game.
UPDATE, 7:02 p.m.: Had to pass this along. In the wake of the Billy Wagner deal, Red Sox GM Theo Epstein was asked about the critical comments Jonathan Papelbon made a few days ago.
“He’s not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with,” Epstein said, before explaining that Papelbon now accepted the deal.
Pretty funny.
UPDATE, 7:58 p.m.: What is it with Yankee pitchers and two outs lately?
UPDATE, 8:00 p.m.: Jeter will catch Gehrig by Labor Day at this point.
UPDATE, 8:41 p.m.: Another poor performance for Joba Chamberlain. The Yankees thought they took steps to prevent this, too. He threw three bullpens during his layoff including a simulated game.
His last four starts:
20 innings
27 hits
19 runs
19 earned runs
15 walks
17 strikeouts
Apologists will blame his schedule. But this is plain old poor pitching. Putting 42 runners on base in 20 innings is not because his routine was thrown off.
The Yankees have a month to get him straight for the playoffs. He’ll bounce back. The pattern on Joba is pretty easy to read. He needs to get knocked around before he listens to people.
UPDATE, 9:00 p.m.: Just a reminder: Joba was terrific after the All-Star break. So please don’t use the change in his routine as an excuse. He went home to Nebraska and did zippo for four days before pitching one of his best games of the season.
And memo to those who want him back in the bullpen: Why in the world would you want a pitcher in the bullpen who’s afraid to throw his fastball for strikes?
It’s a moot point anyway. He’s a starter and he needs to get himself straightened out. That starts with trusting what the pitching coach, manager and catcher tell you.
UPDATE, 9:06 p.m.: Chad Gaudin? Isn’t down two at home in the fifth inning still a winnable game?
UPDATE, 10:00 p.m.: This game seems destined to take a while longer to finish. So let’s start another thread.
hope you going to Saratoga for the Bruce concert
Will Joba look like the Joba we know he can be or the hutt?
Good old Ernie. Good luck with the job search.
SS Jeter
LF Damon
1B Tex
3B Arod
C Posada
2B Cano
RF Swish
DH Hinske
CF Melky
Robbykid you are too late-
Sorry. Submussions ended at 3:30
Sorry Erica, friggin work getting in the way of my guess the lineup!!!!!
was I late Erica
Christina- Pics of my visit to the Louisville Slugger Museum
August 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Girardi better listen to me today Erica, or else.
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Well, that scared me. LOL
Robbykid-
Sorry!
Benfica356-
You made it with a minute to spare
Way to reward the least creative of us Girardi.
Jake its about getting the lineup correct, not coming up with the most “creative” combo.
Texas is fighting for their wildcard lives. Expect them not to rollover at the stadium the next few nights.
Prediction: Texas 2 out of 3!
thx Eric and I won too. My second victory out of 4 tries I believe
Tomorrow will be the day to get creative with our lineup guesses, since isn’t Holland a left-hander? That’s when I’ll pull out the stops with the crazy lineup.
I got the line up!
What do I win?
Woo Hoo! Sox traded for Wagner!
We have many winners of today’s “Guess the Line Up”. 22 of you knew the inner brain of Joe Girardi. They are:
Henner 2:10
Andrew 2:24
bru 2:31
vin 2:33
S.A. 2:35
NYYROC 2:35
Hey Kelvin Says 2:42
Upstate Kate 2:45
sfochild 2:45
Kenny 2:49
NYY626 2:57
Nick P 2:58
Miggs 2:59
WTTALDS 3:03
RayVT 3:11
RalphieD 3:18
Drive 4-5 3:21
L to the 2nd 3:22
Hokiehill 3:26
Blackaccord 3:28
Bronx Jeers 3:29
Benfica 3:29
Congratulations to everyone who participated. Please tune in tomorrow at 2 for another thrilling round of GTLU
I certainly hope Giradi sat both Cano and Cabrera down for a heart to heart before this series. Their body language and actions say they are slipping back into bad habits. Guys with this much talent need to give a damn on a daily basis and that does not appear to be the case. Seems when Cano doubles Cabrera tries stretching out a single and gets thrown out. Cano homers and Cabrera swings from his heels. Now Cano’s fielding is suffering. C’mon guys it’s a long season but the monies good.
Dr. Cox
August 25th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
I got the line up!
What do I win?
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You did??? How are you feeling????? You win surgery
WooHoo!
Wow I think I finally won? I feel special.
Please Joba – throw don’t think tonight.
Wow I’m 1 for 1 so far.
I’m awesome o.o
22 winners. Doesn’t that tie a record?
Is Michael Kay calling the game? I have a feeling he is going to bring up the fact that Joba is pitching on extra rest about a million times tonight. I kind of want to place a betting line as to how many times it’s mentioned on the telecast.
Re: Melancon from the previous thread………all I’m saying is that I don’t see how anyone can think this kid is going to be reliable in the post-season. Is he better than Bruney right now? I can’t say that……
I hate to say this on the Yankee Blog but, if only Cano had Pedroia’s heart…..sorry guys I do hate the Red sucks, but I must admit, I love the way Pedroia plays the game (I would take him on my team any day)……
King- It is going to be a huge mess at SPAC tonight for Bruce. Going to stay far, far away from that area for the night.
The game is on my9, at the very least we will have Singleton there.
What no Ramey today for GTLU? Does that put Miggs ahead in the standings?
Well his 3.18 ERA to Brian Bruney’s 4.67 ERA says hi.
Wait till the ALDS
August 25th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
22 winners. Doesn’t that tie a record?
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It breaks the record of 20 winners set on 8/7
Also of note, Miggs is our new standings leader with 7 wins!!!
upstate kate
August 25th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
What no Ramey today for GTLU? Does that put Miggs ahead in the standings?
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Ramey had an all day job interview. He is going to be so mad. LOL. He better get the job
Murphy with his first GCL home run. He is really adjusting well to pro ball. He could be a steal. Cotham was lights out in two innings (5 ks).
Erica!! What happened? i’m 0-3 now! Terrible, just terrible
I don’t think you can make comparisons based on ERA, given usage patterns.
Nick in SF,
Thanks for the link. Definitely looks promising.
I think I was supposed to watch K-Hud’s masterpiece “Raising Helen” 3 times but have yet to live up to my promise.
Sorry Arod.
What would you like Cano to do to demonstrate heart??
Cry on the field???
There’s no crying in baseball!
Boston Fans Taking trash…It’s hard to hear you with Our boot on your head.
A-rod probably sat through all her movies already
“At what point do they fire the trainers?”
I think Mets fans are interested in a firing a little higher up the food chain than trainer.
Didn’t we also take 2 out of 3 from Texas in early June? Come on Pete. That was the series that caused Burnett to receive a suspension.
If Pedroia was 5 inches taller, nobody would be talking about his hustle and heart. Just because a person doesn’t sprint everywhere he goes doesn’t mean they aren’t hustling.
If A-Rod sat through Raising Helen, then its love.
That may be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Nothing redeeming at all about it
Bruney and his 3 postseason appearances doesn’t exactly make him Mariano Rivera in terms of playoff success. I don’t see how one is more trustworthy than the other considering neither has much track record. If you want to go off the “intangibles” of Bruney being a “respected veteran member of the team”, that’s fine. But I think Melancon is a better pitcher–granted, I know that Bruney is more likely to be on the postseason roster (if they make it), but I don’t think it’s necessarily warranted based on Bruney’s performance. That said, he has been pitching better, and having a 7 game lead means he should get more opportunities to improve and get up to the level he was on previously.
I agree someone else (Minaya) needs to pack his bags and go home.
Dr. Cox
August 25th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
I got the line up!
What do I win?
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You did??? How are you feeling????? You win surgery”
Erica,
Feeling MUCH better , though back at work, how good can one feel, right??
Anyway, check the LAST comment in the previous thread. I just squeezed by.
Yeah well I’d take Pedroia over Cano.
Don’t kill me.
Records vs. Texas
2006 – 8-2 (6-0 in Arlington)
2007 – 5-1 (3-0 in Arlington)
2008 – 3-4 (2-2 in Arlington)
2009 – 4-2 (2-1 in Arlington)
“Yeah well I’d take Pedroia over Cano.”
Most people probably would.
I’d say Minaya should go before the athletic trainer.
I sat through Love & Basketball before.. If A-rod sits through Raising Helen it certainly is love, from my perspective. lol
“Murphy with his first GCL home run. He is really adjusting well to pro ball. He could be a steal. Cotham was lights out in two innings (5 ks).”
Cotham debut today?
I heard it was next week. Nice debut.
Hard to believe that next week is already September.
Feels like it was just yesterday was opening day in Baltimore.
Mark Melancon hasn’t proven himself yet. Potential? Yes.
However, he’s not done anything that would warrant him being on the post-season roster right now.
I like his future. His present? Not good enough to be on the post-season roster.
Bruney is no lock to make the post-season roster either.
If he doesn’t though, someone like Chad Gaudin has more of a shot to make it because of his versatility.
I love the nickname The Hobbitt for Pedroia. It fits.
Watch him take an at-bat. He does this weird swallow thing with his mouth when he’s up at the plate.
Miggs has 7 wins? What a stat-padder!
I don’t believe in stats anyway. I’m more about the intangibles.
Pedroia’s swing will age badly. Cano’s will not.
Wait till the ALDS
August 25th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Yeah well I’d take Pedroia over Cano.
Don’t kill me.
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If the next name change is “I love the Sardine Can” we’ll know you’ve changed sides.
Can we get Jerry Springer to do a show from the Sox bullpen in a few days.
Yes well I’ve never really liked sardines. Far too salty for my taste. Ditto with anchovies.
Not saying I don’t like Pedroia as a player. But you can be succesful in life and not do everything at 100 mph.
Jerry Hairston Jr was on MLB radio the other day with kevin kennedy and co and said that Cano was the one player he didn’t realize was so good when watching from across the diamond. Now that he is on the team he said that Cano’s swing and bat control have blown him away.
He also said Swisher and Jeter have a competition in games to try and out play each other and that Swisher said “Dude I’m all about the O B P!” and jeter made a clubhouse attendant go grab Jeters lifetime stats so he could point out his OBP was better than Swishers.
ALSO claims that it is the loosest and most fun clubhouse he has been a part of and said that Girardi lets players know well in advance of when they are going to play and that he is kind of Dusty Baker type of player manager. That is pretty surprising as Baker is beloved by players(maybe not pitchers).
Erica, by your definition I must really love my wife. I sit through every friggin’ Jennifer Aniston movie with her!
And Aniston seems to make 3 or 4 every year!
I am happy we have Cano. He is so smooth it sometimes appears he isn’t hustling. Other than the last game, he defense has been very good.
Dr Cox-
You did guess correctly, however you posted after the submission window closed so I cannot formally give you credit. Plus, you posted after a new thread went up so you are in clear violation of two GTLU rules and regulations. Remember, without rules there would be chaos.
Sorry! But I am glad you are feeling better
And I am a total GTLUN
NYYROC
August 25th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Erica, by your definition I must really love my wife. I sit through every friggin’ Jennifer Aniston movie with her! And Aniston seems to make 3 or 4 every year!
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LOL. She makes some awful ones too. I think I have seen them all and each time I wonder why I do this to myself.
Did she make you see “Friends with Money”????
The difference between Bruney and Melancon right now is that Bruney will get the chance to either pitch himself onto or off the postseason roster (if they make it, still trying to avoid jinxes of course). Melancon will have September to prove to people that he’s better than Bruney, which he is, and then hopefully be healthy and effective to take a more high-profile bullpen role in 2010. There is no real argument to put Melancon on the postseason roster, but more of a devil’s advocate/hypothetical discussion about it considering how boom or (more often) bust Bruney has been.
NYYROC-
was the jennifer aniston movie with the dog any good?
“ALSO claims that it is the loosest and most fun clubhouse he has been a part of and said that Girardi lets players know well in advance of when they are going to play and that he is kind of Dusty Baker type of player manager. That is pretty surprising as Baker is beloved by players(maybe not pitchers).”
But I thought the players hated Girardi and he was a militant who never let anyone have fun?
Erica
It seems like chaos is the name of the game during a game thread.
Erica, I don’t really remember the titles, they all seem to run together in my memory! But I’m sure I’ve seen it! Aniston has a new movie coming out and you know I’ll be there! Aghhh!
“Pedroia’s swing will age badly. Cano’s will not.”
You mean like their scalps?
Erica:
DAM. Haha oh well.
The most important thing is that we get a win. Ill try again some other time. What the usual close out time?
““Yeah well I’d take Pedroia over Cano.”
Most people probably would.”
I wouldn’t. The Hobbitt is a product of where he plays. His numbers go down when he’s not at the Sardine Can. Cano can hit in any park (save for OAK for some strange reason).
Tunnel Man, Yes Marley & Me was surprisingly good. Can’t argue with that. I thought it would be some sappy Disney type of movie, but it actually had a story, and if you ever had a pet that was with you throughout the ups and downs of your life, you could relate to the story.
Bronx Jeers: my pleasure. As you know, my primary dual purposes here on LoHud are to serve and protect.
I’ve been staying up in Marin County for the past couple of weeks and there is a severe dearth of late-night Asian noodle soup options. Bleak. Very bleak.
Dr. Cox
August 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Erica:
DAM. Haha oh well.
The most important thing is that we get a win. Ill try again some other time. What the usual close out time?
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For a 7pm start, 3:30. Game starts at 2
Jerkface,
nice to hear that.
there is something special about these Yanks.
MaineYankee
August 25th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Erica
It seems like chaos is the name of the game during a game thread.
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Because no one enforces the rules.
Cano in Fenway Park = 100 XBHs
“Jerry Hairston Jr was on MLB radio the other day with kevin kennedy and co and said that Cano was the one player he didn’t realize was so good when watching from across the diamond. Now that he is on the team he said that Cano’s swing and bat control have blown him away.”
Teix said the same thing to Micheal Kay on ESPN radio last wk. even went as far as saying if he cont. to work hard he’s going to be a HOF.
That kid Angel Pagan looks like a budding star
Pedroia is to Fenway Park as Frodo Baggins is to __________?
Cano glides.
Pedroia is good but i dont trust people with letters PED in their last name… no not cuz of steroids but cuz of pedophilia…
seriously though, Cano is way more talented than Pedroia. It’s just that Pedroia has a lot more leadership/mental toughness. chickenhawk syndrome.
Does anyone have Pedroia’s splits home vs. away?
I thought this was the most informed opinion on the Wagner trade:
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“G. Love August 25th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I think the spin on the Wagner thing is going to be what a genius Theo was for buying 2 extra first round picks for the price of Wagner’s remaining salary.
Only problem with that line of thinking is that the Red Sox have to offer arb and he has to decline it and sign with a team that doesn’t pick from 16 beyond.
A lot has to happen for the Red Sox to get those picks.
If he signs with a team who picks 1-15 then the Red Sox don’t get their first round pick. They get sandwich picks.
What team in their right mind is going to sign Wagner for 1 year and give up their first round pick?
I don’t see it.
I think the Red Sox are going to chicken out from offering arb just like the Yankees did with Abreu and he’ll end up being able to go where he wants with no compensation given to Boston.
Boston better hope he doesn’t rock the boat and throw off roles in the pen which he could very well do.
It’s not a terrible move, but it does nothing to address their biggest weakness in the rotation. Not to mention Wagner comes with rules on how often he can pitch now.”
““Dude I’m all about the O B P!” and jeter made a clubhouse attendant go grab Jeters lifetime stats so he could point out his OBP was better than Swishers.”
I thought Jetes didn’t pay attention to those stats
Don’t get me wrong, Cano isa great player. As is Pedroia. There’s not much seperating the two in terms of production.
That kid Angel Pagan looks like a budding star
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I think Pagan is 28 years old. Hardly a kid…and definitely not an everyday player.
Hairston also said the entire team has competitions. That is why they are able to be so consistent. I wonder if this is a function of Girardi’s change up in spring training (pool tournament, bowling etc). Tex and Arod have an RBI/HR competition during games, The pitchers are trying to show each other up and its making them all better.
“That kid Angel Pagan looks like a budding star”
I think it’s just a good yr. and he’s unknown.
On Robi I can see Long getting him to shorten his stride like he did w/ Alex, cut his head movement and I think we’ll see a dangerous Robi Cano.
Joba has no excuses tonight, he’s due for a good performance.
Cano’s splits with RISP are mind-boggling. Easily the biggest flaw in his game.
Competitions, eh?
Maybe CC bet AJ that he couldn’t beat tomko or tazawa. So when AJ was like WHY WHY WHY, he was referring to the bet he made.
Cano doesnt hustle out of the box..a perfect example is when he got thrown out at second on Saturday….
Pedroia doesn’t have good baseball smarts…A good example is getting thrown out at third on Friday…
Except Pedroia makes that mistake once a year.
Cano makes it once a weak
Marlon Byrd is a free agent after the season. He’d make a nice addition to the OF (he can play all 3 positions), IMO.
Cano is power, average, flashy glove and RBIs. Pedroia is OBP, steady glove, stolen bases, hustle…My guess is years from now we will laugh at the comparison because Cano will have become a solid number 3 hitter, but I could be wrong…
“Joba has no excuses tonight, he’s due for a good performance.”
he has been bad against texas in his career…their lineup can destroy any pitcher..
Please name the game every wekk where Cano makes that mistake.
If you produce those games, I’ll concede the point.
The guy won a MVP… he is good.
I think the person was exaggerating, but Cano did not have a good fielding road trip. The errors came in bunches.
ALDS, but the point is that Pedroia doesn’t make as many mental errors as Cano. We have to concede that point, but at least he is making fewer mental errors this year.
If the Mets are in a salary dumping mode, they may want to knock on Boston’s door again and see if there’s interest in Sheffield and his great clubhouse humor.
Fielding was not what he was referring to. It was baserunning.
The point is conceded that Pedroia makes fewer mental errors, but it’s not as if Cano makes one a week. They’ve gotten increasingly rarer this year.
Joba better pitch well tonight or I will be upset for a week and will not be happy with wins this week
So he better pitch well. No excuse, he had 8 days off…..
But Cano is a much more complete player than Pedroia. The hobbit has true second baseman’s arm while Cano has a cannon. Cano also reaches more balls than Pedroia, but you’ve got to give Pedroia his due…he always plays hard.
“My guess is years from now we will laugh at the comparison because Cano will have become a solid number 3 hitter, but I could be wrong…”
Guys with .340 OBP’s aren’t solid #3 hitters.
Pat Burrell: “Wagner is a Rat”
In 2006, following his joining the Mets, Wagner revealed that Burrell had called him “a rat” during his time in Philadelphia and once led a team intervention against him, with Burrell and other Phillies players criticizing Wagner for publicly blaming other Phillies players for various losses. Once with the Mets, Wagner revealed that his personality conflict with Burrell and other Phillies players aligned with Burrell was a deciding factor in Wagner’s decision to depart the Phillies.
hahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahhha
Why are we talking about Pedroia?
I’ll bet the Yankees are please as punch with Cano. And Cano is as happy as a clam, and doesn’t give too much thought about how he compares to other 2B at this point of his career.
He’s still developing as a player. And he’s already addressed a lot of flaws. I’m much happier with Cano now, than a couple of years ago. I even saw dirt on his uni in the last game. So there.
I feel like I almost cheated since Ramey couldn’t participate today. I guess that cancels out the time my winning lineup got stuck in the filter for some bizarre reason.
I’m exhausted, by far the worst aspect of my job is when I have to hire new employees. I feel like I went on 6 job interviews today, and in a strange way I did.
Luckily I have a nice 2001 Brunello chilling for later.
Catch you guys around gametime.
A 340 OBP is nothing to sneeze at.
“But Cano is a much more complete player than Pedroia.”
He really isn’t. He has greater physical gifts, but he’s not a more complete player.
Cano is a .360 hitter though, even with his .340 OBP.
As long as he hits .360, does it really matter if he has a .340 OBP? He will be smashing XBH’s all over the place and have over 100 RBIs….
“A 340 OBP is nothing to sneeze at.”
Out of your #7 hitter?? Absolutely not. Out of your #3 hitter? It stinks.
Cano is a .360 hitter though, even with his .340 OBP.
As long as he hits .360, does it really matter if he has a .340 OBP? He will be smashing XBH’s all over the place and have over 100 RBIs….
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Ah I’m not sure you understand how OBP works.
miggs
August 25th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
I feel like I almost cheated since Ramey couldn’t participate today. I guess that cancels out the time my winning lineup got stuck in the filter for some bizarre reason.
I’m exhausted, by far the worst aspect of my job is when I have to hire new employees. I feel like I went on 6 job interviews today, and in a strange way I did.
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No worries. All is fair in love and “Guess the Line Up”. Ramey knew the consequences of his actions when he went on that job interview today.
As long as he hits .360, does it really matter if he has a .340 OBP? He will be smashing XBH’s all over the place and have over 100 RBIs….
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Yipes
its impossible to hit .360 and have an obp of .340
its impossible to hit .360 and have an obp of .340
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Not necessarily true. If Cano never walked and hit .360 and then got like 50 sac flies, he could have an OBP of .340
I’m not saying Pedroia’s not worthy, but I just cannot understand why Yankee fans trip over themselves to fawn over him.
Pitchers have adjusted to him. And seriously, that 30 foot wall makes everyone a better hitter.
Erica
does gtlu consume a lot of your time ?
“Pedestrian?”
As in “dull?”
I’d say a 6.75 ERA isn’t dull, or uninteresting, at all. It absolutely sucks.
Rex, you are assuming Cano will not continue to improve. Cano has a .345 OBP now and has two years over .350…
“As long as he hits .360, does it really matter if he has a .340 OBP? He will be smashing XBH’s all over the place and have over 100 RBIs….”
LMAO
bru
August 25th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Erica
does gtlu consume a lot of your time ?
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Not terrible. I have it down to a really good system and I will update the standings when i get home tonight
“its impossible to hit .360 and have an obp of .340″
It’s not totally impossible, but it would require a shyteload of sacrifices.
BD 2.0
August 25th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Marlon Byrd is a free agent after the season. He’d make a nice addition to the OF (he can play all 3 positions), IMO.
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Good thought. A good versatile RH bat. Many concede that A-Jax needs another year of seasoning and Byrd fills the bill at reasonable cost. It gives Damon more time as DH assuming he comes back.
bru,
I don’t think so. Erica’s blazing fast, like GGBG fast, with the results. Like she has everything at her fingertips.
“Joba better pitch well tonight or I will be upset for a week and will not be happy with wins this week
So he better pitch well. No excuse, he had 8 days off…..”
Pffffffffffffft…LMAO
Joba pitch a stinker, 8 days off is a good excuse vs this type of a lineup. And pffffffft LMAO “he better pitch well” what are you going to do, whine, moan?
Byrd says he wants to stay in Texas. But did you ever hear a free agent say otherwise?
First off, how is Cano a “.360″ hitter?
Career Splits…
Pedroia:
.335 / .392 / .500 (.892 ops) – Home
.287 / .351 / .416 (.767 ops) – Road
Cano:
.303 / .333 / .475 (.808 ops) – Home
.306 / .341 / .475 (.816 ops) – Road
In terms of OPS, the difference between a guy with an .892 and one with a .767 is enormous. In a normal home park, Pedroia is the 4th best 2b in the AL East instead of an MVP winner.
Vin can you do the splits for RISP home and away for pedroia and cano…(im just being lazy)
m
August 25th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
bru,
I don’t think so. Erica’s blazing fast, like GGBG fast, with the results. Like she has everything at her fingertips.
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I do. I am just that good
“Joba better pitch well tonight or I will be upset for a week and will not be happy with wins this week”
LOL, your are killing me
Brandon – You want Reese to get Brandon Marshall?
Robbykid,
You probably didn’t think I would be lazier than you… but I am.
fair enough, ill get it…
“Rex, you are assuming Cano will not continue to improve. Cano has a .345 OBP now and has two years over .350″
The league average for OBP is .337, so excuse me if I’m not dazzled by his .345. The Yankees are at .358 as a team. Among the regulars on the team not named Melky, Cano is last in OBP. He’s not a #3 hitter, period.
Robbykid
August 25th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
its impossible to hit .360 and have an obp of .340
Robbykid, it actually is possible, though extremely unlikely. If you have more sacrifice bunts and/or flies than walks, you wind up with a higher average than on-base percentage, because average is not hurt by sacrifices but on-base percentage is
Wow Wagner went to the Sux. I am surprised only because all the talk was that he wasn’t going.
That said, big whoop.
GO CHICAGO!!!
I have just skimmed the last couple of threads, and I’m kind of concerned about the Betsy-bashing that’s gone on the last couple of days. I think there’s a certain personal nature to some of the comments, plus a piling-on phenomenon that is disturbing.
I also find it troubling that Betsy was told she was “overreacting” when she responded to some comments.
I think this place would be much more pleasant for everyone if we all confined our discussion to baseball. If you have no respect for someone’s opinion, ignore it and move on. If you choose to respond to someone’s comments, address the substance, and avoid personal attacks (i.e., there’s really no need to say someone’s comments make you want to vomit).
Just my 2 cents.
I feel incomplete without knowing what is on Pete’s iPod
Cano RISP (.203) (237) (.315)= .552 OPS
Pedrioa RISP: (.336) (.406) (.442)= .848 OPS
There was a point earlier this season when Cervelli had a lower OBP than BA. It’s not too uncommon for guys with relatively few at bats who don’t walk very much.
Cano did well hitting in the 2-hole a couple of games
“The league average for OBP is .337, so excuse me if I’m not dazzled by his .345. The Yankees are at .358 as a team. Among the regulars on the team not named Melky, Cano is last in OBP. He’s not a #3 hitter, period.”
And your point is what exactly?
Your boy Pedroia is a product of Fenway park, period.
Cano’s approach doesn’t change when there is RISP… he hacks with or without men on base.
Tex said he was going to be a HOF, Brandon?
Lets Go Jobber…. lets go 6 or 7 tonight and keep this thing going…..
raymagnetic,
We should just let it go. Maybe we’re a little too sensitive.
Remember the Reyes v. Jeter debates? SLMAO.
Jerkface, thanks for the info. I wish I could have caught that…..I wonder what competitions the pitchers have?
Who would you rather at the plate with 1st and 2nd, two outs, down by 1? Pedroia or Cano…
m
August 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
raymagnetic,
We should just let it go. Maybe we’re a little too sensitive.
Remember the Reyes v. Jeter debates? SLMAO.
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The Jeter vs Nomar debate goes in the same category
Lets just face it. No one is better than Jeter
Betsy-
Did you get an e-mail from me today?
Pedroia has a .767 OPS career on the road and a .285 average compared to .335 at home
Cano has an OPS of .810 with men on first base. He has an OPS of .910 with men on first and third and an OPS of .830 with men on third and less than 2 outs.
When you’re selective with stats such as screaming about how he hits with RISP the numbers can reflect anything you want them to.
Ray:
I’m typing this slow because you apparently don’t read very fast.
The point’s simple. Cano is not good enough to be a #3 hitter. There was no comparison to Pedroia or any other 2B. Cano’s our 2B, and I’m more than fine with that. Just callin’ a spade a spade is all.
Raymatic…the original point was that Cano still has plenty of upside, perhaps a future number 3 hitter for the Yankees…I think Pedroia is what he is based on skills and lenght of swing…
Teams just make better pitches with men on base and they expand the zone vs. Cano
When no one is on base, they take more chances and give him something to hit.
m,
I am a little sensitive when people keep saying they’d prefer Pedroia over Robinson Cano. Especially when those people are Yankee fans.
Clare, thank you for that – I appreciate it. Fortunately, I grew up with 5 brothers and sisters and so I have learned to be tough, lol.
This is the best Yankee clubhouse in 8 years.
I saw it in Tampa in April and I saw it in Chicago in July.
Good games, bad games, in between games, the clubhouse is perfect.
The best balance of hard nosed guys, zany guys, vets and youth since the Dynasty Years.
Girardi has also done a great job of encouraging guys to be themselves. Nobody is trying to fit into any mold.
Its just a bunch of good guys who get along and play great baseball together.
You never set out to perfect “chemistry” in a clubhouse because there are so many factors that go into it.
However, this clubhouse is so solid and so good, they are immune to the usual made up controversies that come up during the course of a NY baseball season.
I don’t think there’s anyway to deny that Cano’s biggest flaw is hitting w/RISP.
I agree with Clare.
Erica, I’m not home yet – when I get home, I will check. We’ve got two days left – I’m working on my big speech, lol
“The point’s simple.”
Your point is actually idiotic. There’s no telling how Cano will bat if put in the 3rd hole unless you put him there for an extended amount of time and then see how he does.
BD, thanks. I really try not to respond, but it’s hard not to take the stuff personally. I really don’t care if people agree or disagree with what I say and I try never to insult people. If I have, I apologize. There comes a certain point when enough becomes enough – and if people thought I was overreacting, well, I would like them to see how they would feel in my shoes.
I’m a fighter, though, so I always come back for more…lol
Cano actually has a lower OPS batting 8th than he does batting 9th. So I guess he could never be a number 8 hitter.
I will boo pedroia until I am blue in the face, that said, as a die hard yankee fan, and more importantly a fan of baseball, I will give credit due when appropriate..That said, I think Youkilis is overrated….
How about saying both Cano AND Pedroia will be top players?
Don’t need to knock one to praise the other
On the Betsy stuff…..
Folks need to chill out with it.
Betsy is a worrier. I say that with all positive affection. She worries a lot. Personally, I’d like to see her worry less because she will enjoy this season more, as its a great team with a good bunch of guys that making watching them a lot of fun.
We have folks in here who hate this team unless they win 10-0 every night.
If they lose tonight, we will read post after post predicting a big losing streak on the way, demand Girardi’s firing, and determine Cano’s Dominican heritage will make him “lazy” his entire career.
In other words, there are a helluva lot of posters worse than Betsy on her worst days.
When she gets really worried, just talk her off the ledge without being insulting.
betsy
August 25th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Erica, I’m not home yet – when I get home, I will check. We’ve got two days left – I’m working on my big speech, lol
*****
It can’t be any worse than my experiences with celebrities
Bob from Sesame street- I jumped up and down and said “I love your work” LOL
Stevie Nicks- I cried and refused to let go of her hands (they were freakishly soft). LOL
Paul O’Neill- Gushed over what a fan I was
John Mayer- I didn’t care about so I shook his hand after the show and walked away without speaking to him LOL
Pedroia isin’t that unlikeable
Youkallis on the other hand…
I have such mixed emotions about these games because I want Texas to whoop the crap out of the wild card. But I also want home field advantage. “Optimal” would be for the Angels to lose the same games the Yankees lose (were they to lose) over the next three days, while the Sux lose the rest of their series to Chicago, but for the Rangers and Rays to win their games.
Oh well.
GO EVERYONE BUT ANGELS AND SUX!!!!!
trisha,
There is no bad scenario tonight in our game
Except AROD breaking his hip….
After reading what Burrell said about Wagner, this could be a train wreck in the making in BOS
Too bad about that, though
“Who would you rather at the plate with 1st and 2nd, two outs, down by 1? Pedroia or Cano…”
Where is the game being played? Who is pitching? Is the pitcher LH or RH? What inning is it in? There’s too many variables.
Pedroia is a very good player. He makes good plays at second. He’s good with the stick, but he only has pull power. Pedroia only has 1 career HR hit to either CF or RF. Ponder that for a minute. It was the ball he hit off Joba at the new Stadium (8/6/2009).
http://www.hittrackeronline.co.....ype=hitter
His offensive game doesn’t translate to many ballparks. Doesn’t mean he stinks, but right now I’d rather have Cano over Pedroia.
betsy
fwiw i am not happy when people personally attack you or anyone else.
you have as much right as anybody else to speak you opinion & it is welcomed.
stay tough
When Joel Sherman makes this much sense, fans need to check themselves on complaining about things.
“I realized anew that, when it comes to the Yankees, the fan base will never be completely at peace until Roy Halladay is the No. 5 starter and the loss column reads “zero.” Of course, guys just like me are to blame. We have been Steinbrenner-ized, as well.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08.....186317.htm
SJ44
Very well stated and I 2nd it.
I wish I could be a fly on the wall in that clubhouse, lol. The guys just like each other…….and truly support each other. It’s amazing how much play the chemistry has gotten – it has become a big deal.
On a totally unrelated note, isn’t it great that now the Red Sox have become desperate and done what the Yankees have done over the past few years (and it failed to get them over the hump).
first they go for Schmoltz, now Wagner. 2 players coming off major injuries with no guarantee they will do anything for you. An ex Met is never a good sign for any team. Victor Martinez = Bobby Abreu to me. Nice player, will fit in, but ultimately do nothing to get you to the promised land.
The Sox revolving door at shortstop continues and the Yankees were very quiet this trade deadline (for what they are used to being).
This doesn’t guarantee you anything, but I get the sense the organizational mindsets have shifted this year for both teams.
I pity the fool that busts on Sister Torre!
It seems to me the organizations are flip-flopping…..Meaning the Red Sox are doing what the Yanks did in the early 2000s, and vice versa….
Girardi on with Francesa
Aww Pete, you leave us before making a Billy Wagner joke? What a missed opportunity.
I think it’s fine to worry, but at some point you have to sit back and enjoy the season for what it is. The Yankees are the best team in baseball with a good shot at winning #27.
Anytime there are complaints about the Yankees, even though they’ve been on fire since coming back from the break, reminds me of Mussina saying how surprised he was when he looked at the standings at the end of 2003 and saw that they won 101 games, because of how Steinbrenner/the media/the fans (over)reacted to the team that year.
Is the amount of turnover within the RedSox surprising to some, or normal for a playoff-caliber team at this point of the season?
Seems to me we’re seeing some of Theo’s personality shine through a bit with all of these changes – callups, demotions, role changes, acquisitions, etc.
Let’s see how this goes with Wagner. Could be Gagne II.
SJ, you have me down pat. I hate worrying, I hate being negative….I hate being a debbie downer, lol. I’m not trying to bring anyone down……and I love my team. I love them as individuals as well, so yes – sometimes I take things a bit too much to heart.
Bru, thanks. I bit as a kid and I got in trouble when I was young (at camp) for fighting too much – so you won’t see me back down. I’m too stubborn for that…..I was also the kid with the kick me sign on her back, lol. I’m used to it all, lol
This time a year ago a fawning press lavished praise on the BOS FO for being a “model” organization, with a farm system built to sustain greatness for several years – they appeared to find the “magic formula” for success….
Not working out exactly as planned, is it?
Alex (Philadelphia)
Buster, who would you take for the next 5 years, Cano or Pedroia. Thanks
Buster Olney (1:07 PM)
Alex: Wow… That is a tough call. Total coin flip. You’d have to love Pedroia because he’s a good player and for the intangibles, and on the flip side, Cano has more pure talent and has clearly worked to make himself better this year. I’d probably go Cano, but ask me in five minutes or 15 minutes or two days, and I might change my mind.
The Mets apparently begged Wagner to accept the deal to Boston because they didn’t want to offer him arbitration after the season so they wanted to get something back now, according to Madden
girardi sounded great saying all the right things about not overusing joba
telling him we will get through this together
I want to Officially state the following:
I was wrong about Joe Girardi!!!!!!!!!
I’m glad I was! Go Yanks!
“SJ, you have me down pat. I hate worrying, I hate being negative….I hate being a debbie downer, lol.”
I mean this genuinely. If you hate worrying, why not contemplate deeper on the fact that THIS collection of Yankees, their starting rotation, bullpen and outfield included, have been playing nearly .750 baseball for the majority of the season?
I have NO problem with different opinions, but shouldn’t what the Yankees have proven on the field over an extended time be considered?
It’s hard to compare Cano and Pedroia because they are so difference.
Cano has better power and hitting ability, Pedroia has more speed and takes more walks. Both are really good fielders, Cano makes more mistakes. There’s a good chance Pedroia has already had his best season, Cano’s best year hasn’t come yet. If you need a guy in the front of the order, you take Pedroia. If you need someone in the middle of the order, you take Cano.
Intresting read on Phil Hughes’ roll next season:
Phil Hughes will be the Yankee’s 8th inning man for his year and the playoffs, but next year it will be interesting to see what they do. Using the FanGraphs WAR valuation an elite reliever is worth about the same as a just slightly above average starter (this year Joe Nathan is worth about as much as Tim Wakefield and Mariano Rivera is worth the same as Gil Meche). So the Yankees would have to think the difference in his performance as a starter and reliever is much larger than that of the average stater to justify keeping him in the pen next year.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....n-reliever
What does Francona do if the 8th inning has mostly RH hitters and the 9th inning has mostly LH hitters ? Papelbon will never accept a role as an 8th inning man and both Wagner and Papelbon do not like to inherit runners. Just like mixing oil and water.
chris carter one of the players the mets get
ehh.. I can’t get into this series. After beating Boston this weekend and having the east wrapped up… this series has no juice,,,,
wake me up when the playoffs start….
26 yrs old,big kid with pop
Not a bad haul… Carter can be like Shelly Duncan. A nice PH bat to have off the bench in the NL. Can’t field a lick though.
Carter sounds like a Shelly type of player.
there has been a Cano vs Pedroia debate on here for months.
what’s the point?
90% of Yankee fans favor Cano
90% of Sox fans favor Pedroia
answer: both of them are very good players
Win-Win for both sides
Boston gets a stud SU man and 2 first round draft picks
Mets shed $3.5 mil in salary and get a nice prospect who has a lot of pop to add to their weak lineup.
For a waiver deal, both sides came out well.
Man, I can only imagine how great it feels to be traded from a good organization to a bad one and then to add insult to injury being called “not of significance” by the media when detailing who was traded.
“there has been a Cano vs Pedroia debate on here for months.”
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remember the old Jeter vs. Nomar debate?
seems like ages ago.
“Man, I can only imagine how great it feels to be traded from a good organization to a bad one and then to add insult to injury being called “not of significance” by the media when detailing who was traded.”
Ha Ha… So true.
“chris carter one of the players the mets get”
He should help them score more touchdowns. Oh… wrong guy?
“Carter sounds like a Shelly type of player.”
Actually he’s better than Shelley, think of him as Daniel Murphy only he can’t field. Shelley can’t hit a breaking ball, Carter has a high IQ w/ the bat.
I don’t know why I hate a person I never met before. But I hate Papelbon with a passion. I think it’s because of his mouth. Not his lips, his lippin’.
Wasn’t there also a debate recently about if Sabathia was an ace?
Considering the Mets were basically willing to give Wagner away, that is a nice haul for them. No wonder they were begging Wagner to waive his NTC, they actually were getting a decent return.. Nice move for them.
“I think it’s fine to worry, but at some point you have to sit back and enjoy the season for what it is.”
Jason, the problem may be with some of us who find worry a ridiculous waste of time and energy, more-often-than-not WAY overdone – especially here. You can always count on crying about something, which I find especially crazed in light of where the Yankees stand in the division and in the majors. Truly.
HOWEVER, let me say this. Although I agree with SJ that Betsy is a true worrier (and warrior!) the thing I find so great about Betsy is that she CAN be talked down from ledges, she CAN laugh at herself or acknolwedge that maybe she went a bit overboard, and she is obviously a very good person.
For people who have difficulty with reading posts from people whom they consider to be off the wall, for whatever reason (no comment necessary, ahem!), the best thing to do is skip by the posts. There is a poster here who seems to lack a sense of humor, writes the longest posts I have ever seen, and is a bit too “serious” for my money. I typically skip over his posts because I don’t have the energy or desire to read anything that “crucial”. It’s a game. Relax and enjoy it. And bottom line is nobody’s opinion here means a hill of beans anyway!
“I don’t know why I hate a person I never met before. But I hate Papelbon with a passion. I think it’s because of his mouth. Not his lips, his lippin’.”
I know. I saw this interview with Papelbon on FOX and he didn’t seem to give me a great impression. And even now with all the talk about Papelbon not wanting Wagner seems silly. If he wants to be a team leader he can’t do that. Pedrioa has put a better impression on me,he plays hard and leads the team.
I want to Officially state the following
I was RIGHT about Joe Girardi!!!!!!!!!
I’m glad I was! Go Yanks!
Trisha-
I am with you. There are actually far more posters whose comments I ignore than the ones I actually read!
On that note. I am leaving work finally. Bye for now! Catch you around game time!!
In all fairness to Papelbon, I don’t think he wants to be a team leader. At least not in Boston. His relationship with team management is deterioirating. Comments like the Wagner ones may be his way of stirring the pot ala Manny style
CM,
We’ve been spoiled! From the quiet and regal Mariano to the self-deprecating Jeter, they know how to deliver a message with just the right tone.
It’ll be fun watching Ol’ Fishy Lips flop around on the dock trying to get out of this one.
A huge debt of gratitude to the first poster that links a picture of Wagner & Papelbon in the bullpen.
Girardi still has to prove he can win a championship
Torre won 4 of them in his first 5 years
Did anyone catch the radio interview Schilling did on WEEI? I found the link on mlbtraderumors.com.
The radio guys were discussing some comments that were made by Wagner basically saying he didn’t want to go somewhere and pitch in the heat of a pennant race for fear that he will re-injure himself.
Schilling said that he got to know Wagner a little bit (not sure when) and the fact that he (Wagner) said that didn’t come as a surprise to Schilling. Basically Schilling was calling out Wagner for being either me-first or afraid to pitch under pressure. The next 6 weeks will be very interesting.
“Girardi still has to prove he can win a championship
Torre won 4 of them in his first 5 years”
Torre was also 100 years old when he took over the Yankees, had been managing for 500 years, and hadn’t ever won jack.
Apples and oranges.
“Hard to believe that next week is already September.
Feels like it was just yesterday was opening day in Baltimore.”
And CC with his belly blanket? How anticlimactic was that day?
I’d take Cano in a heartbeat. I would really like for him to be more patient, especially in RBI opportunities, but that’s mostly because he has big time potential to drive them in. If you want a team that is more athletic its hard to find a better 2b than Cano. I think Cano has the best hands in the game as evidenced by his ability in turning the double play and his ability to get the bat to the ball. I think you’re just going to see that with guys who can make that kind of contact. I wouldn’t expect him to learn to walk more, maybe he will be more selective so that he gets more pitches to drive, but he is quite the slugging second baseman already.
I guess whether he can be a #3 hitter depends on what you are looking for in that spot. He could certainly drive in runs in that spot. He isn’t going to walk much, but he isn’t going to strike out much either. I think there is value in that kind of approach, even if it isn’t trendy right now. I would like to see more walks, but when a guy has such good power, I’d rather he thinks hit first. I’m not sure all these high OBP guys do.
Speaking of Torre. The Dodgers begin a critical series today. 3 game set with the Rox in Colorado, only up by 3 games in the division. Both the Red Sox and the Dodgers have lost ground in the last couple of months.
Stuckey, you’re right……….and also, some things happened today that really should change my perspective on how bad things are with the Yankees (or aren’t). My parents’ friends lost their son last night – he got off his motorcycle to adjust something and was hit by a car. Then, I found out my uncle had a melanoma…….but it hadn’t spread, which was great news. In the scheme of things, worrying over a Yankee loss seems utterly ridiculous.
Tom, thanks for posting that, but that makes no sense…..unless you (I don’t mean YOU personally, but the royal you) only think about next year. Phil has the potential to be a top starter for a long time; I really don’t understand anyone trying to compare the importance of an 8th inning pitcher (even an elite one) to a very good starter, never mind an elite starter. There will, I suppose, be a debate amongst fans and mediots next year when Phil struggles. Since the only opinion that counts is the Yankees’, it will be a fruitless thing…..much like with Joba.
Pudge makes his return to Yankee Stadium
Trish, thank you! I appreciate your kind words… You are a very positive person – and I wish I was that way.
So the hitters will know what pitch is being called?
“Pudge makes his return to Yankee Stadium”
Sounds more epic then it actually is.
We don’t need Hughes in the 8th inning next year
We have Aceves, Bruney, Robertson, maybe Coke.
We have plenty of options that do not include Hughes that are already in our pen.
Jeter / Mattingly 2012
Erica, I know you’re gone for now, but I emailed you!
“Pudge makes his return to Yankee Stadium”
Actually, this will be his first time at Yankee Stadium
Ok Jeter is a pretty good ball player, right up there with some other ok ball players. But is the guy likable.
After seeing how they fixed the BP this year I think next year isn’t a big concern.
Most of the pitchers they used came from their system and they have more coming.
Speaking of Pudge, try and guess who has pitched himself to a 5.88 ERA in 26 innings of work this season.
I’ll give you one hint. He’s “Krazy!”
Curt Schilling going on the radio to talk about other ball players?
Color me surprised!
/end sarcasm
Cano does not walk. Sometimes swings at balls out of the strike zone. Does not run hard out of the box. Does not hit with risp. But I think he has a better up side than Pedroia if he improves in these areas.
Pedroia may have reached his potential already. Cano has not reached his yet.
But what do I know. I picked AJ to win 20 games.lol
I see that today’s afternoon whining was about Cano’s RISP, AGAIN. Christ, people, give it a rest. Before this year, he hit .271 career with RISP. Considering the players hitting behind him, that shouldn’t be a big surprise. Here’s another surprise….Only one player on the team with at least 200 ABs is hitting over .300. Here’s a clue….it’s not Jeter.
Calm down, Erica…yes, it’s Johnny Damon. Next is Brett Gardner at .298. That tells you how flukeish those numbers can be. Before this year, Cano was at .271.
What happens if with the Wild Card spot on the line with one game left to play and ……..
Francona has pitching coach John Farrell call the bullpen in the 7th inning to have Papelbon ready for the 8th inning and Wagner ready to close out the 9th inning because the hitting matchups favor such a move ? Does Papelbon rip the phone off the bullpen wall ?
Any Jobber predictions for tonight?
I say 6IP 5H 4R 4ER 2BB 4SO
We don’t need Hughes in the 8th inning next year
We have Aceves, Bruney, Robertson, maybe Coke.
We have plenty of options that do not include Hughes that are already in our pen.
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think about it… do you trust any of them in a tight spot against the Halos or Sox…I said this time and again….We do not know whats going to happen next year until next year…the yanks could trade Montero and Z-Mac for Doc Halliday and sign Andy again this off season…So enjoy this year and what Hughes has done to straighten out this pen….Look on the Blog this passed Memorial Day when we all wanted Bruney to come back from his bum elbow….Ask you your this…Are the Yankees in the same place their are now with Hughes in the rotation and Bruney in the 8th inning…Also if Hughes was in the rotation what games does he start in the playoffs…3rd, over Andy…..4th over Joba…be grateful that he turn this way out in the pen and help solidified the pen
“Any Jobber predictions for tonight?”
About 20 shake offs. Lots of full counts. Who knows how many sliders. etc…
.271 with RISP isin’t anything to right home about….
4 IP, 8 H, 8 ER, 4 BB, 3 K
But we win anyway, 12-9
Somebody was wondering why Mantle and Jeter had about the same number of games, but Jeter had more at bats/more hits. Mantle also had 109 games as a pinch hitter with 91 at bats and 17 walks. People always cite the number of games that Mantle missed and wonder what could have been. Think about the number of games that he played when he shouldn’t have and couldn’t always produce because of those injuries. It amazes that until his last year, he was a .300 career hitter. That last year cost him 2 points.
David
August 25th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
.271 with RISP isin’t anything to right home about….
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And he still produces runs at the bottom of the order.
Lets go Yankees!
You’d think Papelbon would have learned by now to keep his mouth shut given that both his manager and his GM have essentially called him a moron to the media over the last few days.
Yet if got 3 more hits per 100 ABs with RISP Cano would be ‘great’ and ‘clutch’. Basball’s a funny game
Alright, get em Jobber
My prediction Joba pitching tonight on so much rest:
Historically wonderful or epically bad.
I am rooting for wonderful
Betsy-
I got your e-mail. My tummy is growling. I’ll write back in a bit
If they get on base they will run all over Joba
GB7-
Out of curiousity, what did I do to deserve a calm down?
That’s the problem with the Red Sox. They define themselves negatively.
Not a Rhodes Scholar.
Not a magic person.
Not drinking special milkshakes anymore.
No wonder they’re failing.
So happy Cone is doing the game.
He brings a perspective that none of the other announcers can match, even O’Neill.
Tonight…. good Joba or bad Joba?
I’m guessing a little bit of both.
Cano is 7th in runs scored in the AL. The top 6 include 4 leadoff hitters and two in the second spot.
Not bad for a player batting seventh most time.
GB7-
Nevermind, I reread your sentance. It makes sense now
MPB Johnny Damon is wonderful though
great start
I said get em Jobber. Not walk em.
Whatz with all the sliders?
NOT complaining, but Borbon’s the last guy you want to walk.
I too, love Cone in the booth.
Plus, I get the sense he’d trade five years of his life for one more turn on the mound.
m August 25th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
NOT complaining, but Borbon’s the last guy you want to walk.
Yep. With Joba slow to the plate, its gonna be trouble. see lol
Theo should be careful getting on Paps – there has never been an Epstein Bobble Leg Doll.
Threw another 3-2 slider. I mean when does he realize hitters know not to swing at the 3-2 slider?
Might want to challenge with your FB Joba.
I don’t particularly mind if the Rangers win this game, but it will be frustrating if Joba has another subpar start.
All I ask is that the Yankees play a crisp, clean game.
*curses My9*
Joba walks one guy and the crying begins…. wait until we get abit later into the game
Man he shakes off too much. Way too much.
Erica – always OPPC
August 25th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
GB7-
Nevermind, I reread your sentance. It makes sense now
MPB Johnny Damon is wonderful though
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Yeah, I just didn’t want your drool to seep into my computer.
A loss today won’t be a big deal, but it’ll all be for naught if the Red Sox win.
Nice pitch Joba, guy hasn’t pitched in awhile, give him the first inning at least to get settled in before you all bite his head off 0.o
out of trouble.
Get to work bats
Best way to get thru a shaky inning. First pitch DP.
And Joba cleans up his own mess.
I’m not used to the Yanks batting in the bottom half of the inning. That was a pretty long road trip.
ehh…high pitch count but its nice to see a young pitcher escape a jam…
the sooner joba realizes he cant throw his slider 3-2 every
time…the better he’ll be
Boston is already winning… Where are the White Sox we played against?
No one runs on the strong arm of Max Patkin Jr. in RF.
Joba and AJ are tough guys to catch for the same reason: stubborness.
As a catcher, you just try to handle them the best you can.
Uke,
Not saying he can’t walk a guy. He just walked the wrong guy. This kid embarrassed Varitek even more, if that’s even possible, lol.
That last road trip felt like an eternity. Cano’s walkoff against the Blue Jays seems like ages ago.
I do not think it is possible to embarrass Tek more than he already did by coming back to baseball, hahaha
Nice at bat Jete
Joe Girardi did a great job moving Jeter back into the leadoff spot… long at bats, leadoff hits, high OBP and AVG, some pop, and clutch hitting, no denying him that MVP
I am currently living in hell with Verizon. FIOS is the most phenomenal picture I have ever seen in my life. Unfortunately all the promises about Extra Innings and getting the Yankee feed seem to have fallen apart!
Unless I don’t know what I am doing with this stupid menu guide, it appears I am stuck with the Texas feed. This absolutely will not do.
I may have to call DirecTv and do some fast begging.
Great that I sold my DVR.
Is Pudge trying to ice Jeter?
41 of Joba’s walks have come on sliders for ball 4.
He has to realize when to throw it and when not to throw it.
He still hasn’t figured that out yet.
But instead he ices the pitcher. Run, Jeter, run!
Kevin Millwood’s 3.48 ERA in Texas is arguably the most unusual single stat in the entire league, right along with Wandy Rodriguez and his sub-3.00 ERA in Houston. Boggles the mind….
I hope the blow sox enjoy clubhouse cancer Billy Wagner and his bickering with Papelbum
looked safe to me…
Oh darn. Jetes out
I take that back… lol
Boo on Pudge.
Wagner is going to get lit up like the 4th of July!
Trisha,
when the Yankees are on My9, you mostly get the non-Yankee broadcast on the Extra Innings Package.
Yeh, wags isn’t facing those NL lineups anymore, he’s gonna see Robbie Cano, Hideki, or Johnny, they all feast on lefties
dang, that was a hard throw by irod…
Jeter takes one more step before starting his slide and he’s safe. That was a long slide. Oh, well….he’s been somewhat successful in his career.
I couldn’t help but place a prop bet on tonight’s game. I know there is no such thing as a sure thing – BUT
I bet the under for the number of Ernie P. blog updates tonight. Wish me luck.
“Boston is already winning… Where are the White Sox we played against?”
Like most AL Central teams, the White Sox play decently at home but they can’t win against AL East teams on the road if their life depended on it.
They need to be patient here. millwood having a tough time finding the plate.
single baby
Anyone else having any problems with the audio feed via DirecTV?
SJ,It just astounds me how Joba has fallen in love with his slider…….Wonder how many full counts we’re going to see tonight
SUI!!!
Matsui!
Hideki Mr. Clutch #2
could hideki couldn’t have hit it any harder? whoa…
Chop ‘Sui.
Jeter is already trying to catch Rickey for SB lead in NYY history. Pete’s list is in the captain’s head.
All Right, Matsui!!
That was a screamer.
damon + matsui are making it REAL TOUGH on cashman…
Nice, Hideki-san!
so very hot
I just realized that Boston has faced Freddy Garcia and Contreras the last 2 nights… not much to be scared of there
Drain his knee and the bat speed comes back.
Matsui on fire right now.
Strikes Joba. Have a clean second inning.
Is there a big fire behind right-center field?
Kevin Millwood looks old
Who is picking on Betsy?
No one picks on someone who cheerfully admits to having liked Duran Duran while I’m around..
Jorge!!!
That sounded beautiful off the bat…
“Trisha,
when the Yankees are on My9, you mostly get the non-Yankee broadcast on the Extra Innings Package.”
SJ, nah, here’s the killer. With DirectTV, no matter who broadcasted the Yanks game I always would get the Yanks feed. It must be a deal MLB had with DirecTV. DirecTV also provided both team feeds for every single game unless one team was not having a television broadcast.
I’m screwed.
Posada picked and choose wisely Mr. Ken Singleton
Home field advantage…
Getting late early out there!
Hip – hip ….. Jorge !
Oh that grumpy Jorge.
Keep the runs coming
Not sure why everyone is so quick to discount the value of having a legitimate DH. Having a guy like Matsui getting 450-500 ABs in a year is far superior than giving those ABs to a bench player filling in for a regular who is getting the 1/2 day off.
HIP HIP JORGE!
jorge sure is calling an excellent game tonight.
Right Joba.. they’ve put some decent runs on the board for you. Show your appreciation, lol.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
August 25th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Who is picking on Betsy?
No one picks on someone who cheerfully admits to having liked Duran Duran while I’m around..
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Mean internet bullies.
People just can’t learn to scroll past comments/commentors they don’t like
Matsui is carrying my fantasy team right now.
Pat M,
that’s what drives Posada and Girardi nuts.
As you know, stubborness sometimes hurts a pitcher.
Cano with the bases empty…this may continue
Ah, jeez.
Jobber better not give it back.;)
Jorgie Juiced One!
Can’t say I’m a fan of that particular Sterlingism.
MLB TV has My9 broadcast here in Atlanta
The Yanks now have 8 guys with 16+ HRs. Unreal production.
For the mediots realize AJ was first guy cheering Posada there, might be disagreements but clearly no tension at all.
damn, robbie just missed his pitch…
Jim the VT Yankeefan
August 25th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Matsui is carrying my fantasy team right now.
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LOL!!! Let’s give him the MVP award then
Thats the trade off with not having DirecTV and getting it via cable, Trisha. You get stuck with the “away” feed when My9 has the game. Its often enough to be annoying, but at least we still get the game, I guess.
31 pitches for Milhouse
Anyone else having problems with the Directv HD extra innings Yankees feed. Mine is in Spanish. The non HD channel is in english.
So clearly the gameplan is not just to give Joba extra rest between games but also between innings.
I hope it works.
I have the Texas feed tonight.
3 hours of Josh Lewin and Tom Grieve.
Like fingers on a blackboard.
robbie learned!!!
Jeter Hitless – slacker.
Mean internet bullies.
People just can’t learn to scroll past comments/commentors they don’t like
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Ahh. Well she might be a worrier, but as was pointed out by someone else, she at least lets you talk her down from the ledge – so its obvious she wants to enjoy it and loves the Yankees. I’d rather have 100 of her than people who say they’re fans, but appear to hate the team and are never happy with them.
We had that same Spanish problem, just changed over. My wife told me we were still watching the game even if it was in Spanish the whole time. Wow I married a baseball lover!
LOL@ Nick. Well played.
My 9 is in Spanish too, forcing me to endure John Sterling.
I got the Texans on mute and WCBS in Gameday Audio
not bad except for the Jorge Juiced one’s
put the tv on mute & put the radio on for voice
joba looking good right now…
3-2 slider, hahaha
The stadium is too quite.
I just think with Cone there’s no agenda.
He’s just such a straight shooter.
I didn’t realize how involved and heavily quoted Cone was in the Torre book until I recently read it cover to cover.
He just tells it like it is and I appreciate that.
He also was arguably the single most important acquisition of the late 90s teams. Just the heart and soul of the team during that period. Respected immensely, yet friendly and a team prankster at the same time.
Joba looks dynamic right now…real tight slider and explosive fastball. Looks like 2007 Joba.
This might be a terrible thing to admit, and I know he’s *legendary and all that, but I find Vin Scully’s voice really grating.
Pudge 5 for 7 after being traded. Where was that last year?
joba loves the 3-2 slider
Chris Davis couldn’t hit a beach ball with a tennis racket.
Joba drives me nuts sometimes.
wth is going on with joba now?
Throw strikes, Joba.
Joba not looking at Pudge, gives up the SB, then walks a non-hitter on 4 pitches.
Very stubborn kid. Let’s hope he can get 1 more out.
Angel, is the other team feed only when it’s on My9? I feel ripped off too because when I called and asked them about the dual feed they told me that I would get all the different team stations (as long as a station was broadcasting the game.) That’s the way it worked with DirecTV. Turns out, they just told me, they had it wrong.
This is really distressing to me. I just changed all my damn services over. The FIOS picture is like nothing I have ever seen in my life – seriously. Yet I don’t think I can live with this new way of life. I really feel stifled.
Verizon bundles with DirecTV when the area doesn’t yet have FIOS available. I wonder if they would do a hybrid and let me just purchase Extra Innings and Yes from DirectTv. Not likely I’m sure.
I’m so not happy right now. Got some decisions to make.
2 quick outs…single that barely get through…now 6 straight balls…fight through it!
Strikes Joba.
Please.
Joba wants to give this back
Kelvin, I had the tv flipped to something else for a minute, so I missed it…….but that doesn’t surprise me. First of all, professional relationships are different than personal ones. I think AJ and Jorge get along very well – they are similar in a lot of ways (both emotional types). I would be shocked if I heard of personal rift between the two – people don’t fall out over stuff like that.
Angel, you are an angel………..and so is Erica!
Umm Joba throw strikes please.
Throw strikes to these rookie hitters.
this just seems like its expected from Joba these days..will the Yanks tolerate this nonsense in the post season? my goodness. the pitch count too…
My gawd Jobber throw strikes
This fear of the bottom of the lineup is irrational…
it’s easy to criticize joba but i think all that extra rest stuff is very difficult to deal with as a pitcher…especially a younger one. his concentration is probably not as strong as it should be right now.
Walking the 8 and 9 hitters…..not good.
And I thought Joba would get out of the inning with fewer pitches.
Unbelievable, lol
What the hell was Damon doing? He just let the ball roll around in the corner.
And the dreaded “2 out Syndrome” strikes again.
Infuriating.
arod doesn’t catch anything not hit right at him, anymore.
Terrible.
I just hope Joba learns from these kinds of disasters over the offseason. If this is happening as frequently next year, that’s just inexcusable.
It’s just My9 games, Trisha. When they’re on the road sometimes you get a choice of H or A, but not always.
Two outs, Joba! How can you just lose the plate?
Joba is aiming – not pitching.
Joba spits it up.
Get the bullpen ready because he’s not long for hhis game.
4 run lead and he can’t throw strikes. Awful.
My9 is streamimg with japanese announcers.Very confusing.
They kind of mumble in low terms…but then get VERY excited. Especially with Matsui. I swear I heard him refered to as Godzilla ( only thing I could understand ) upon numerous occasions…maybe 5 or more times.
a quick inning would have done alot to dishearten the Rangers, but alas, Joba likes to make it intresting
There’s nothing worse than a pitcher giving back runs that your team just scores…….this is going to be a long night.
I think if you’re a FIOS customer you can get YES on your computer. Did I see a commercial on YES for that one day for FIOS and IO customers?
Joba 21 strikes 19 balls one scary inning.
I don’t know if it’s the real SJ, but he’s right – awful.
Terrible inning. How many times this week have the Yankees given up runs with 2 outs and nobody on base?
This is something that HAS to be fixed before the postseason. You know successful playoff teams feast on those 2 out hits and the Yankees pitchers seem to love giving them up (at least recently).
Joba is so stupid out there. 4 run lead, 2 outs, and he is NIBBLING on the 9 hitter. What is he thinking out there?
2-0 breaking ball? Are you serious?
2 outs, nobody on, coming off a 4 run inning. All you had to do was throw strikes, and you walked the 8 hitter on 4 pitches and fell behind 3-1 on the 9 hitter.
So much talent, and so little pitching sense.
young pitchers seem to find it and lose it so fast…just when you think joba is gonna have a quick inning it goes to hell..
Cant blame A-Rod when you let Pudge steal on you. Then you walk Chris Davis.
I still believe in you, Joba.
Joba is a shaky number 4. You kinda wish Wang wasn’t injured cause you could live with this, but in the playoffs I have confidence in pretty much everyone but him. I know he can be dominating, but far too often he can be like this. Thank God for our KA line up.
This guy is mystery. He gets to quick outs and a squeaker through the infield and then it falls apart.
Same thing in Seattle. 2 very good innings to start then he falls behind the number 8 hitter, walks him and next thing you know he’s given up 4 runs.
DT
August 25th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
My9 is streamimg with japanese announcers.Very confusing.
Even more confusing is your user name. That ain’t me.
Of course, if you come out with pearls of wisdom and “Nick in SF” worthy humor – that I’ll take all credit.
i dont understand why people think these struggles are unique to joba…every young pitcher has good and bad games…unless your name is tim lincecum..
Joba is really frustrating to watch but get the bullpen ready in the 2nd inning? You know SJ44, sometimes you have a lot of insight but sometimes you are just as bad as the “chicken littles” you criticize. Get a freaking grip.
He hasn’t learned all year so, expecting him to learn now is wishful thinking.
That’s as bad a job as you can do. Another needless meltdown.
Get Aceves or Gaudin ready and get ready to pull him soon.
Can’t throw strikes, can’t stay in games.
It says “in market” for the FIOS thing, don’t know if RI is considered “in market” but it might do for games where you are stuck with My9.. only a few more games left of that this year though.
Carlos Pena is on fiya.
Maybe the Yankees need for Joba to nap between batters? I love Jobber, but he makes my head hurt watching him pitch at times.
Hopefully he’s better from here on out. We’ll see
Brutal job by Chamberlain……When will he out grow this insanity……
Trisha first of all you’ll only have to deal with it on My9 broadcasts, which seem to be about 15-20 games per year.
And of course you could always get DirecTV, you don’t have to ask Verizon for permission. You just have to pay for both.
Or you could cancel the FIOS TV part of the bundle and still get the internet and phone.
I had both DirecTV and cable for a few years because I couldn’t live without the NFL package, which is offered exclusively through DirecTV. But I wanted the cable modem and phone package. So I downgraded my cable TV package to the minimum channel requirements and got the full channel package with DirecTV.
wow…2 more homeruns for carlos pena..hes up to 37 now
“He hasn’t learned all year so, expecting him to learn now is wishful thinking.
That’s as bad a job as you can do. Another needless meltdown.
Get Aceves or Gaudin ready and get ready to pull him soon.
Can’t throw strikes, can’t stay in games.”
SJ44, I have a lot of respect for you but this comment is downright idiotic.
Patrick,
if he’s going to pitch dumb, you pull him.
It’s the only way he’s going to learn.
If not, he will continue to be this stubborn.
At some point, you have to be tougher with him.
The, “he will be ok, he’s young” approach doesn’t seem to be working.
SJ44 –
how did your nephew do this weekend? Give us an update.
Is Jeter’s OB% over 400 yet?
My feed is confusing, too. I have some people named Sterling and Waldman.
Hey Mehdi, good to see you. Did you make any of the Yankee games in Oakland?
Joba may be frustrating, but to pull him out of the game would be ridiculous.
Sabathia retired the first 5 hitters on Sunday and then gave up 2 runs with two outs against the #7,8, and 9 hitters in the Red Sox lineup. Should the bullpen have warmed up then?
Let’s at least wait to see how Joba does next inning. He has had plenty of starts where he gave up 2 ER or less. I don’t think we should assume that he’s going to suddenly blow up and give up the lead.
13 straight seasons of 140 games played.. wow, pretty damn durable is MPB Johnny Damon.
Finally
People talking about Jeter getting the All Time Yankee Hit Record – Finally
This should be a huge deal for Yankees fans.
Not idiotic at all.
It’s late August and you can’t continue to accept this nonsense from him.
That was a self created inning for Joba due to his stubborness.
If he doesn’t want to change, then it’s time to get harder on him.
You guys know nothing seems to frustrate SJ44 more than pitchers with a lead not throwing strikes.
He has no tolerance for it and that’s what gets him riled up more than anything it seems.
SJ44,
Pulling Chamberlain in the 2nd inning is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Not only does it basically guarantee a loss today it puts Joba in an even deeper hole. He hasn’t pitched in 9 days, pull him and he will basically get 2 innings in 18 days.
If you want to be tough with him, leave him in and let him learn from his struggles.
It seems like this is just an emotional response to watching Joba pitch. Yeah it’s frustrating but he’s still a good #3-4 starter. The goal is to win games, not embarrass your pitcher. Relax dude.
After tonight 15 games remain until September 8th- That was my guess for Jeter to break the record.
I have a feeling I may be wrong. He is on a pace to pulverize that
Joba seems determined to keep his innings down by hurling 100 pitches in 5 innings every start.
Pulling Joba at this point would be foolish…FOOLISH! Get a grip
Miggs, that is exactly what I had. I was bundled with Cox and had DirecTV for television, specifically because they were the only ones in town offering YES – and now recently all teams’ broadcasts.
I now havce everything bundled with Verizon. If it were just about the baseball stuff I would cancel it out today and go back to DirecTV solo for television. But again, there is probably no way I could overstate the quality of the FIOS picture. Their hi def absolutely blows away everything else I have ever seen, including digital cable. I guess it’s all that fibreoptics!
So now I am on the horns of a dilemma. And it is really pissing me off.
If you stream something off your internet onto your television, is that as good as having a televised broadcast (in terms of quality of what you’re watching.) And also, if you are streaming can you switch over to another station.
Stupid Sux just got another 2 out run. I guess that’s there new claim to fame.
Bah.
Maybe Erica’s pretend boyfriend should have a chit-chat with young Mr. Chamberlain.
Erica – always OPPC
August 25th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
After tonight 15 games remain until September 8th- That was my guess for Jeter to break the record.
I have a feeling I may be wrong. He is on a pace to pulverize that
Don’t forget that many players slow down when they are nearing milestones. That may give us late guessers a shot.
I’d rather see Jete stay hot than win the contest anyway.
PDATE, 7:58 p.m.: What is it with Yankee pitchers and two outs lately?
UPDATE, 8:00 p.m.: Jeter will catch Gehrig by Labor Day at this point.
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TWO updates by Ernie.
Are you already out of your own bet DT?
swisher has really improved his defense..
Patrick, at some point something must be done……You want to see this crap come October ???? SJ is right, sooner or later Giradi has to put his foot down and yank his ass…..As it anyway, he’ll be gone by the 5th…Players are getting fed upp with blown leads that are handed to him….
Uncle E-
Last year when Jeter was approaching most hits at Yankee stadium people weren’t sure if he would be able to do it. Then he got like 9 hits in 2 games.
raymagnetic
August 25th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Maybe Erica’s pretend boyfriend should have a chit-chat with young Mr. Chamberlain.
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I’ll put a word in!
I’d like to see Joba get his butt chewed right there on the mound once in a while, but pulling him would be an overreaction. There are many things still to try.
Helluva catch by Swisher… he is never boring out there, that’s for sure. Typically unnecessary flashy failure by Cano. that’s four errors in three games. There goes the Gold Glove I guess.
Pat M,
Taking your pitcher out in the 2nd inning is never a good strategy. As much as you guys are right, you and SJ are dead wrong on this one.
Betsy
August 25th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Angel, you are an angel………..and so is Erica!
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Aww. Thanks Betsy!!!
I think it’s time for Posada to deal with Jobber under the O’Neill banner
“TWO updates by Ernie.
Are you already out of your own bet DT?”
The over/under was 1. I took the under.
I think that is Pete, updating from home!
Great throw by Jorge. Nice footwork.
Posada and Pudge throwing out runners in the same games at age 50
Trisha I hear ya.
I’m a sucker for a great picture too. Once you have it, its tough to go back to something else.
Is FIOS really that clear? I may have to see if its available in my area.
Erica, please have a talk with Damon immediately about Joba.
SJ44-
Inquiring minds want to hear about your nephew!
SJ44 –
how did your nephew do this weekend? Give us an update.
Smart pitch there throwing him the fastball on 3-2 when you know everyone in the world is expecting him to throw that slider.
Adjustments, something Joba has to make more of rather than being stubborn and throwing so many breaking pitches all the time.
Trisha-
Other than the My9 debacle, is FIOS good??
They send me so much mail to sign up with them I could wallpaper my apartment
I’m sorry if someone’s already asked, but has Joba thrown a first pitch strike?
DT-
Can you get out of my head now? There is only room for me in there
Nice to have the catcher call for a 3-2 fastball and not get shook off to throw a slider for a change.
Perhaps Girardi and Eiland had a talk with Joba between innings.
lol what the heck was that? oh well.
Get someone warming up and you’ll get his attention…..
It’s painful to see good LoHud Yankee fans rooting against Jeter to get hits for their own selfish reasons.
I undersand the frustration with Joba, but the answer is not to humiliate him on the field while simultaneously hurting the team. Growing pains are painful for everyone, not just the one growing.
If they have to, just take him aside after the game and beat him senseless with a sack full of AJ. It won’t take long.
Nick-
I am a bad role model. I only care about my own stats
4 pitch inning lol
They decided to take the inning off.
He hit a 3 run HR Saturday and didn’t play Sunday or last night.
Playing tonight, had a single and scored a run in his first AB.
Ahhh, the Yanks are using the old swing at the first pitch when you have the starter on the ropes strategy
“DT-
Can you get out of my head now? There is only room for me in there ”
Tell me about it. I can’t take mt eyes off Damon tonight, and I am craving shaved ice. I might have to jump in the Zamboni and head to the store.
Suzyn said earlier on wcbs that the only players exept tex who hit 30 hr’s the last 6 yrs were dunn & puhols, doesn’t arod have a streak of like 10/11 yrs of 35 hr’s & 100 rbi??
When Jeter passes Gehrig, I wonder what kind of shindig they’ll throw for him at the Stadium? Remember all that stuff they did for A-Rod after 500? That should pale in comparison to what they do for Jeter.
Millwood a 4 pitch inning with the heart of the order,wow.
When Jeter passes Gehrig, I wonder what kind of shindig they’ll throw for him at the Stadium? Remember all that stuff they did for A-Rod after 500? That should pale in comparison to what they do for Jeter.
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Pie in the face?
Why does Joba pitch backwards so often? His fastball is good, I don’t get it.
He just flied to right in his second AB. He’s hitting .341/6 HR’s/41 RBI/1.071 OPS in 34 games.
Erica,
Do you & JD have an agreement? No shop talk?
“The, “he will be ok, he’s young” approach doesn’t seem to be working.”
sj-
i took that approach with patrick for a while.
if he calls you dude one more time let him have it with both barrels
haiku-man August 25th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Millwood a 4 pitch inning with the heart of the order,wow.
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And, surprisingly, he still threw more pitches through 3 than Joba.
If Joba drilled Pudge, would he have a clue as to why?
m
August 25th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Erica,
Do you & JD have an agreement? No shop talk?
*****
Because its pretend we talk about whatever it is I want!!
They will give him his choice of Gehrig’s great-grandaughters.
“Why does Joba pitch backward…”?
Therein lies the great frustration with him.
He and AJ are the same in one regard…both should be better than they are.
Another needless walk. Man, this kid makes it tough on himself.
So why doesn’t Coney get ahold of Joba?
“Other than the My9 debacle, is FIOS good??
They send me so much mail to sign up with them I could wallpaper my apartment”
Internet/land line/TV (DVR and 2 boxes) is $142 for me.
I’d do plenty of Homework before I switch.
What is the cost for Optimum / Cablevision triple play anyone?
randy,
I haven’t said anything about Joba being young and needing time, dude.
So, dude, do you think Girardi should have pulled Joba in the 2nd inning? If not, dude, maybe you should agree with me for once because this time I’m right.
With the way Yankees fans react to Joba, I can only imagine how they would react if Clay Buchholz or David Price was a Yankee.
Twice this season the Red Sox have scored 9 runs with Buchholz on the mound, and he couldn’t even last 5 innings to get the win. He has given up 7 ER or more in two outings (Chamberlain’s high was 5 ER).
David Price was given a 10-0 lead against Cleveland and got knocked out in the fourth inning. That was the game that the Rays ended up losing 11-10. He has also had several starts where he gave up 5 ER or more, and he hardly pitches into the 7th inning.
You coulda saved 5 pitches by drilling on the first pitch.
The problem with Joba is….It’s not even the real Joba.
The real Joba’s down on the Jersey shore doing community service. It’s the impostor who has the problem throwing strikes.
It’s kind of like that magic movie with Christian Bale and the wolverine guy. Only instead of magic, it’s mediocre pitching they’re performing.
http://tinyurl.com/lhbqvy
Uncle E-
I am currently paying $167 for the triple play, but that includes a DVR box and the HBO package (with HBO on demand)
Joba is just painful to watch sometimes.
What is it with our pitchers and 2 out hits?
Joba is so frustrating to watch
Chris Davis swings a bat with a hole in it. I can’t believe he’s on base twice.
Another 2 out rally because of a walk and going 2-0 to a non-hitter in Chris Davis.
It’s got to drive Posada nuts to catch this kid.
I must say I don’t look forward towards his starts. Unlike last year.
He was quite good in those 12 starts. Threw his FB a lot too.
Bottom of the order is killing Joba. Gotta hunker down and treat them as you do the other (better hitters) in the lineup.
Really? 4 Sliders in a row?
you know, it is possible that joba is just not smart.
if that’s the case, him being in charge of pitch selection may not be the greatest of ideas.
2 outs again. GRR.
Joba honestly is terrible..sorry but he is
wow just wow
0-2 and throws 2 pitches way off the plate, them throws a cookie over the plate, he frustrates me so much!
3 sliders back to back to back
Nevermind. It was 5 in a row. I guess a fastball is out of the question
These two-out fiascoes will not bold too well in October.
So predictable. 0-2, and then 3 sliders and gets beat on the third one in a row in the middle of the plate.
You don’t take him out, this lead is gone soon.
Another awful performance.
Joba beating himself yet again. 2 outs, nobody on, and he walks a guy, falls behind the next, and hangs a slider to the one after that.
2 outs, nobody on. Joba is an idiot.
89 MPH on a fastball??? Really? Joba???
As slow as that ball was hit, there is absolutely no way it should have made the outfield.
Joba should have been out of this inning 10 pitches ago. Instead, he walks Pudge and everything seems to be snowballing from there. Unbelievable.
I’m sorry 5 sliders back to back to back to back to back
Erica – always OPPC
August 25th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Uncle E-
I am currently paying $167 for the triple play, but that includes a DVR box and the HBO package (with HBO on demand)
so HBO pack is what? 20$
I went from Direct to Fios then the Cable said they would pay my penalty if I switched to cable. Call your current provider first see if they can sweeten your deal.
It’s a War.
HBO still worth it for you? You can watch most of their good shows on the net – I’d axe that.
“you know, it is possible that joba is just not smart.
if that’s the case, him being in charge of pitch selection may not be the greatest of ideas.”
Possible? I’d say it’s probable.
I can’t take watching Joba anymore. I just can’t.
they are going to get 5 innings out of him IF he gets out of this.
Unbelievable.
He can’t pitch well from the stretch?
Or he gets frustrated with himself?
Whatever it is, he has not matured at all this season.
One would have thought that after those two great games after the ASB would have taught him something. But he seems not to have taken much from those.
Patrick, Lets’ see how understanding you are Dude come Game 4 of the ALCS as he offers this type of undisipline performance….Squandering a 4-0 lead in October will not be as reasonably tolerated as you’re making out tonight……
patrick having a widdle tantrum ?
Girardi- He made good pitches…he was working the hitters,,,blah blah…he stunk..just like in Boston and Seattle
The youth stuff needs to go out the window if he’s doing this crap a year from now.
At some point it’s not about being young but pitching stupid.
Tom Glavine ERA 1st year as a starter 4.56
Greg Maddux ERA 1st year as a starter – 5.61
Roger Clemens ERA 1st year as a starter – 4.32
Joba Chamberlain ERA 1st year as a starter – 3.98
I’m just saying…..
Uncle E-
I like my HBO. I have been planning to cancel On Demand for about a year. Not really sure what I am waiting for
Joba ain’t no Rhodes Scholar!
Oh Joba.
At this point who would you take? Kershaw or Joba?
Ouch.
That just made me smack myself in the head
BBB August 25th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
At this point who would you take? Kershaw or Joba?
Mitre at this point
Pathetic at best. Bring back Pavano!!!
Nibble, nibble, nibble, nibble, fat pitch.
Seeing eye hits and bloopers – yeah Joba is getting rocked.
Joba Chamberlain…you ARE the weakest link. GOOD BYE.
*bangs head against the wall*
Strike one, strike two, slider, slider, slider, slider(Hit)
Wow. Joba’s hit rock bottom. Even Doreen is frustrated.
Let’s go Jobber!
This is unreal…
Joba could use a shower about now.
Oh COME ON JOBA
this is purely a lack of concentration…
SJ – you are 100% correct with all your assessments. Nothing else to add.
Really disheartening performance.
Complete fail. I guess the Yankees REALLY want Boston out of the playoffs.
“Joba Chamberlain…you ARE the weakest link. GOOD BYE.”
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sad but true.
“patrick having a widdle tantrum ?”
How so? I was joking about using “dude”, dude.
At this point, I wish they’d send him down and let Mitre And Goudin fill out the rotation
At this point, I wish they’d send him down and let Mitre And Goudin fill out the rotation
WAY to go Joba ya tool
how many outs are there?
STOP jerking around get OUTS
Joba sucks lol No command. Throws too many off speed pitches. Its the same every start with him.
I really am sick of him. This has little to do with extra rest. Again 2 quick outs and can’t finish the inning.
2 outs again!!!
Just aggravating.
11 baserunners in 3.2 innings. Flat out bad.
Two different eras of baseball making ERA quotes worthless.
He torched a 4 run lead with the same nonsense we gave seen all year.
Stayed too long with him and you pay the price.
Can’t start this kid in the ALDS. Can’t trust him.
You could see this coming in the second inning.
A garbage performance.
Unbelievable. Joba might be one of the dumbest pitchers I have ever seen pitch.
His ERA was 3.98
New pitching technique to be taught by Dave Eiland-
Pretending no one is out
another rocket. wow. How many hard hit balls can he give up?
tattooed. blistered. smoked. pick your own adjective.
Joba………….. you have to learn. I’ve just been depressed because he doesn’t make a lot of progress. I won’t rip him to shreds,but he HAS to learn.
Wow. Lots of seeing eye singles.
I’m not going to judge how the Yankees have chosen to deal with Joba.
But I’m not going to give Joba a free pass, either. We’ve seen him do this kind of thing when he was on regular rest as well.
Let’s just get the lead back.
Let’s go, Yankees.
Pat m,
If you think Joba gets pulled in the playoffs because he allows 2 runs in the 2nd inning you are sadly mistaken.
Pat did you have to bring up Michael young in your trivia question today?
They need to pull him during an inning so the fans can absolutely lay into him.
Pull him! Enough of this crap.
Joba will make it really easy to control his innings if he keeps doing this.
If this keeps up next year, I’m going to be very, very worried about his long term development.
omg This is just painful
All with two outs Awful
Who really feels comfortable with Joba getting an October start??
Cashman should’ve pushed hard to center a deal around Joba and Montero for Halladay…or even Lee.
Watching Joba pitch wants me to pull my eyes out.
Miggs and Erica, the only way I can describe it is that the picture is so clear and so vibrant that you think you are watching it thorough 3-D glasses. It definitely blows away DirecTV by a million, and I think that’s one of the best pictures I ever saw. I can’t wait to watch one of those Animal Planet things.
I’m having a night kind of like Joba’s. I just went to cook something and turned the burner on – and somehow turned the one on that had my plastic microwave pan on it – turned it to high. It is now part of my stove.
I think I’m going to retreat somewhere so I can regroup.
GO YANKS!
Ouch
I smacked myself in the head again!!
Joba is getting booed off the mound…O yea still 2 outs
Joba can’t seem to put anyone away…….time to get him out of there
Have you people actually been watching the game? This is death by 1000 papercuts. ALmost all of the hits have been bloopers.
Well that was fun for a few innings
I’m starting to get aggravated with him.
Which is saying something.
It doesn’t matter that they’re not “pounding” the ball. He’s giving them too many opportunities to make contact, his defense is back on its heels because he’s not pitching with any conviction whatsoever. Walks kill him all the time.
that one almost took Jeter’s head off. Get Joba out of there before someone gets hurt. Another ROCKET.
Now that one hurt.
I could have done without the ridiculous Texas broadcaster who just said that Melky didn’t have a good arm.
Geesh
Not one hard hit ball
In Joba’s defense, I didn’t see very many hard hit balls this inning.
He’s not getting the job done, but he’s also been somewhat unlucky.
Joba losing friends.
Joba should have his next start skipped as a lesson to teach him to stop being a stubborn moron.
2 outs, EVERY INNING, and he nibble nibble nibble nibble nibble on all the 8 and 9 hitters EVERY TIME and it kills him.
What do you freaking expect when he walks the 8 and 9 hitters every time to get to the top of the order? Hamilton, Young, etc, these guys are NOT SCRUBS.
Yet when you can’t get the two or three “free outs” every time through the order with 2 outs and nobody on, you’re an idiot if you can’t challenge those guys. Joba needs to be punished for being so stupid.
Should Girardi have pulled Joba in the 2nd? No way.
Should he have been ready to pull him when he fell behind 5-4? Absolutely.
Joba … to the pen?
j/k
another 2 out run he gets to 2 strikes, gets fancy and blows up, leave him out there and teach him a lesson
All started with walking Pudge with 2 out. Just pitching stupid. Shutter the thought of him pitching in the playoffs.
Angel-
Even I am annoyed now.
I can’t even defend this and I am a softie!
SJ – you talked about it last time Joba pitched – at this point he is pitching for trust in the playoffs – to earn a shot at Game 4.
At this point he has not even close to earned it. You cannot give up 5 runs with 2 out and no one on base. It’s too bad Joba wasn’t the one moved to the pen instead of Hughes.
And I love it when Joba has a good game once in a while (or 3 straight one time) and everyone on this blog laughs at those of us who said Joba is a mediocre pitcher from day 1. The guy has tremendous talent but he does not know how to pitch.
And to learn at this point is a problem. If the Yanks were so adamant about starting him it should have been more time at AAA. He obviously has a ton to learn.
Joba is pitching like an Algerian footprint. How’d he get so clueless this year?
Joba’s numbers are now resembling the 4-5 starter he’s pitched like.
If he learns from this, it’s okay in the long run. If he thinks that he pitched well, then this is nothing short of a disaster.
It doesn’t matter what kind of contact they are making. If they are making contact consistently with two strikes, something is really wrong.
Yo Patrick, can we yank him now that the Yanks are now losing ????? You were warned back in the 2nd
Honestly, what IS the deal with Joba that the Yankees treat him with kid gloves??? Why all the “Joba Rules”?? What makes him so special?? I’m missing that “special” factor. I don’t see it.
On the plus side, it looks like Joba will throw less than the expected 165 innings if he keeps this up.
What is wrong with Joba, I’m so sick of this??
“Joba … to the pen?
j/k”
I didn’t know Sunny was really Francessa
7 runs of bloopers, though?
Suddenly hitting bloopers with 2 outs each inning?
I don’t know if I’m buying that.
What is the plan? Save Joba’s arm for the future?
Wow, Joba’s pitch count is already around 90 and it’s only the fourth inning. At this rate, the Yankees are going to have to put up a lot of runs to just to counteract their own starter.
I want Texas to win the wild card and all…
but lets not do them any favors…
Can’t say this is surprising.
His way doesn’t work and it’s never going to work.
6 weeks to find a Game 4 start. This kid ain’t it.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member and true believer in Ortiz karma.
August 25th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Miggs and Erica, the only way I can describe it is that the picture is so clear and so vibrant that you think you are watching it thorough 3-D glasses. It definitely blows away DirecTV by a million, and I think that’s one of the best pictures I ever saw. I can’t wait to watch one of those Animal Planet things.
But you need an HD TV – don’t forget.
I’ve been putting off getting one.
Also Fios does have a lot of bells and whitles that I don’t take advantage of.
You can’t give this guy the ball in a postseason series. Yankees will probably go with a 3 man rotation anyway given the amount of off days.
The only way Joba will see a start in the playoffs is if the Yanks have a 3-0 lead in a best of 7.
Haiku
Sorry. You can charge any of Young’s RBIs to my ERA. The rest are on Joba.
And yet again, another dumb through by Melky Cabrera advances the 7th run into scoring position where it scores on a ground ball single right after.
He continues to miss the cut off man consistently and cost us key runs. Gardner better be back soon, because Melky is pretty stupid out there for all that talent he has.
Freddy Garcia is pitching better than this against the Red Sox in Fenway Park.
If there was a Kennedy or another particularly promising prospect at Scranton, Joba’s job would be in major jeopardy.
Dearest Joba Chamberlain-
This is a little painful to see. Please get that third out. NOW. Please
Sincerely Yours,
Erica
Joba is so frustrating. You know he has the stuff, yet he can’t put hitters away. What happened to the Jobber that didn’t shake, you know the one that pitched very well after the asb?
As we know from recent history, sitting in the dugout for a long inning can be tough on a pitcher. This is one big rope-a-dope to get to Millwood.
And yes, Joba is the dope in this scenario.
I don’t know.
Its tough, he’s young and learning and quite good actually. But you’re gonna get these type of starts with a 23 year old. That’s just how it goes.
I think fans just want to see progress. He seems to be regressing at times. You want to see him learn from his mistakes.
Bottom line, he’s definitely either extremely stubborn or extremely stupid. Hopefully its not both.
This is as much Posada’s fault. 0-2 with two changeups, and he asks Joba to throw his FB which he cannot locate.
His slider might as well be a useless pitch
And why is it that everytime Joba pitches the games take forever. I would give Posada off just because of how frustrating it must be. And he is still nibbling.
Already gave up the 4 run lead.
They might be bloopers, but they’re still making some contact. Not swinging and missing the way they are when he’s “on”.
These Texas announcers are saying one absolutely ridiculous thing after another.
Whew. I wish I posted that letter to Joba about 4 batters ago
Last out came about 6 batters too late.
I got an idea….lets pitch Joba only every 20 days….
wait once a month….wait lets not pitch him at all during the regular season….or post-season..that way he will never get a sore arm.
No fist pump?
That was just awful
Boo this scrub
Joba and A.J. really worry me for the post season.
It’s not about hard hit balls. It’s about the fact that he is consistently getting ahead of hitters, but is unable to put them away. Maybe he should throw one over the middle of the plate and get it hit harder.
This is the kid that, earlier in this game, threw a 2 strike slider to Cruz that was right over the middle of the plate. Thing was, it was such a nasty pitch that Cruz couldn’t make contact with it.
He doesn’t trust his stuff. Not at all. The hitters know if they fall behind him, the pitches are going off the plate. No reason to swing at all.
Can you believe he threw over 30 pitches AFTER HE GOT THE 2ND OUT? Completely unacceptable.
Millwood will now be unhittable
Byrd ended the 3rd and 4th inning by tossing his bat away thinking the pitch was ball 4.
Would anyone like to hear my opinion of Joba Chamberlain as a starter?
I can’t wait for the postgame…..”well, they were softly hit groundballs that barely got through the infield…..”
WHo is starting Game 4?
Where’s Igawana? Couldn’t he do what Chamberlain is doing?
He is god awful. I think we can now say he doesn’t pitch well against the Rangers. He’s gotten lit up every time he’s faced them.
Pathetic. Inexcusable. Senseless. Disgusting.
If anyone else has a negative word or two they’d like to share, feel free.
There is no reason for this. He’s rested 9 days, had 9 days to prepare for this start, and this is what he gets? This is not about being “too rested”. This is about Joba pitching a terrible, terrible game.
If this is what he’s going to give us, then maybe they SHOULD send him to the bullpen. I’m about sick of watching him throw clunker after clunker because he’s too stubborn to learn how to actually pitch properly. This season, he’s shown that those two or three starts after the break were quite possibly the exception, and not the norm.
Absolutely disgusting. Staked to a 4-0 lead, and coughs it up 4 innings later. Pitiful. And so help me, God, if he says, “I had pretty good stuff out there tonight. I thought I did okay, it was just bad luck”…
Lets no blame Jorge for Temperamental pitchers
go back and count the number of hard hit balls that inning.
from reading the comments you’d think Joba gave up 5 dingers like Beckett.
S.A., what’s the forecast for tomorrow? Sun?
44Pitches,5 runs scored with 2 out.I guess the 8 days wasn’t enough time off.
Here we go. It’s Posada’s fault Joba can’t locate and is stubborn about what he wants to throw…
Ruin a pitcher’s rhythm, ruin his routine, ruin his confidence, ruin his ability.
I put this on Girardi just as much as Joba.
Oh, I forgot to add:
::rolleyes::
Joba needs to go to the pen
This is Joba Chamberlain?
I thought I was watching Sergio Mitre.
Wow, just wow!
“It’s not about hard hit balls. It’s about the fact that he is consistently getting ahead of hitters, but is unable to put them away.”
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why isn’t it about hard hit balls?
if one of those grounders or bloopers was closer to a fielder, he gets out of the jam.
in general, it has everything to do with hard hit balls.
I dont know if the Yankees ruined him or he is just not made to be a starting pitcher, but right now he is so far removed from the dominant Joba we knew and loved 2 years ago.
Got one back.
RUINED HIS MOMENTUM!
robbie cano!!!
patrick-
it’s hard to tell when you’re joking, but if you say you are, no problem.
what sj and pat m are saying is joba is too full of himself at times and thinks he knows more than he does.
the question is how do you get through to him.
you have to admit if girardi yanked him in the second inning it’d get his attention.
I can absolutely handle and understand these kind of starts .. if you see that they’re going to lead somewhere… and they’re a step to the next level up.
I’m not seeing that, though. Hence the frustration.
Hopefully the offense can bail him out. He might not deserve it, but it would be nice all the same – it being a team game and all.
20 already? Wow.
Cano baby!
yea cano doing what he does best
I feel so bad for STerling – clueless.
Dr. Cox…
Joba was awful before he routine was ruined…
The best he has been was after a long rest
318 feet 6 inches
He had a 4 run lead and either walked guts or pitched behind bad hitters the entire game.
This isn’t death ny papercuts. It’s death by a kid you can’t trust in the post-season.
No excuses tonight. He doesn’t throw enough strikes to trust.
This kid can’t be anywhere near an ALDS start.
I can’t wait until Joba’s post-game interview where he says he had great stuff and he just has to tip his cap to the Texas hitters for getting good hits. This blog might get 1,000 negative comments based on that alone.
Doncha know! Cano!
Game over? Cano it isn’t!
(sorry)
Dontcha know!
Uncle Ellsworth (#2 needs 19 to tie #4)
August 25th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
I feel so bad for STerling – clueless.
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What did he say?
now that cano hiot a home run every is going to get a little happy
“Yo Patrick, can we yank him now that the Yanks are now losing ????? You were warned back in the 2nd”
Pat stop it. You know as well as I how absurd it is to say the starter should be pulled after 2 innings and 2 runs.
Of course he should be pulled now. He’s given up 7 runs. 7 runs in 4 innings is awful. 2 runs in 2 innings is not.
Do you think I’m happy with Joba’s performance? Of course not. He was awful. But lets be fair, the Rangers got a lot of bloopy hits. And there is no way any pitcher should be pulled after 2 runs in 2 innings, that’s just stupid.
Jaba off the hook once again tonight?
A blind person can see that is a homerun
what a terrible outing
i wonder if the yankees ever thought only giving him 88 innings in the minors would come back and bite him…
as a reliever he could get by but that lack of experience kills him as a stater
OK, that was terrible. I think it is about time that someone tells Joba that he is not Maddux or Clemens and that he has not earned the right to call his own game. Jorge (really Girardi) calls the pitch, he throws it no questions asked.
Gone is the swager, gone is the moxy, he looks beaten! Its depressing to see Joba in this state!!!
that’s a homer…
Postseason rotation will have to be..
CC, CC, CC, one of them, CC (if needed)
That’s clearly a fair ball. It’s only questionable because Cruz jumped in the wrong spot.
Was Joba shaking off Jorge again?
Cano starting the rally. Does anybody here have any doubt that Joba’s struggles are related to these ridiculous 10 days between starts?
How many times have Yanks come back in Joba starts??? Can someone look it up?
you don’t need 4 starters in the ALDS…CC and or AJ can go on short rest…
Jesus H. Christ, it’s time to man up Joba & throw strikes!
E-gawa
August 25th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Postseason rotation will have to be..
CC, CC, CC, one of them, CC (if needed)
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I will volunteer myself if the Yankees need me.
I can’t guarantee the ball will make it from the mound to Jorge’s glove, but I can try
We should have traded Joba when his stock was higher. The guy’s a head case and I am not sure he’s going to reach his potential. Was it the DUI that changed his mental approach?
“This isn’t death ny papercuts. It’s death by a kid you can’t trust in the post-season.
No excuses tonight. He doesn’t throw enough strikes to trust.
This kid can’t be anywhere near an ALDS start.”
well you knw hes gonna pitch in the postseason…gaudin or mitre sure are not
lol @ robbie…
Erica – always OPPC
August 25th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
A blind person can see that is a homerun
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DUH!
At what point do we blame Posada for this?
Any 2 strike count Posada calls frequent pitches in the dirt and outside the zone.
Success is dependent on attacking the zone. 0-2 is one thing but 0-2, 1-2, 2-2 is ridiculous.
ATTACK THE ZONE and walks won’t kill you.
Cervelli can’t come fast enough!
randy,
Don’t worry buddy you don’t get to me that easily. One joke about using the word “dude” isn’t enough
Do you really think any manager in baseball would pull his pitcher in the 2nd inning just to get his attention?
Look, I’m not arguing that Joba pitched well. He was terrible. I’m just saying that pulling your pitcher in the 2nd inning, unless for health reasons, is a bad idea. It’s bad for the pitcher and even worse for the team. Joba will learn by pitching, not by sitting.
Also, it’s too early to say Joba doesn’t start in the playoffs. Way too early. If he rolls off 3 good starts in a row everyone here will change their tune.
Hip, hip, Cano!
Did you guys see that smile?
Nick how long have you been waiting to use that one?
12-14, 4.52 ERA
Those numbers belong to Felix Hernandes in is first full big league season. Fact of the matter is young pitchers struggle sometimes and other times they show that brilliance that makes you think they’ve put it all together. Joba is going to take his lumps, but down the road he has a chance to be very, very good. Problem with most yankee fans is that they aren’t willing to be patient. You want a young, cost controlled ace, like king felix..you deal with the growing pains. Felix was tremendous in his first experience as a starter and then seemed to have regressed in is first full season. He has been improving every year since and you’ve seen what he has done this year. Be patient with Joba. You can’t expect him to dominate everytime out right away.
He didn’t ruin his momentum. He did the same thing in his last start in Seattle.
This is all on Joba.
Get through the next 6 weeks with him and hope you can get by with 3 starters in the ALDS.
It’s late August and there is no improvement so, you just avoid using him in the ALDS.
Anyone watching MLB network breaking down jaba on 5 days rest vs extended rest? Haha…
Patrick, maybe they wouldn’t all by ganging up on you if you didn’t talk so much about people you want to punch in the face.
:ducks:
“Cano starting the rally. Does anybody here have any doubt that Joba’s struggles are related to these ridiculous 10 days between starts?”
No because he’s actually pitched well on 2 prior starts with long rest. This is just another chapter in the Joba experiment.
I better not hear in the post game tonight that he thought he pitched “good”!!
Erica – always OPPC
August 25th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Uncle Ellsworth (#2 needs 19 to tie #4)
August 25th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
I feel so bad for STerling – clueless.
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What did he say?
I like Sterling but this season his miscues are bad.
He made it sound like a foul ball – like it was nowwhere near the wall
It’s disheartening, really. For THIS year, how can we send this guy out in the playoffs….? SJ has said it all for me. No one is giving up on Joba as a future top starter, but for this year, there’s little time to waste. I can not believe how many substantial leads Joba has blown – and I wonder how patient his teammates will be with him.
miggs, give me some credit. I don’t stockpile B material.
Swish is terrible at home. Why does he shorten his swing on the road, but goes back to a long swing at home? Not to mention he was going up the middle on the road, but is pull happy at home.
“Did you guys see that smile?”
Pedroia can’t smile like that. Intangibles.
It’s not the hits. It’s the way he pitched. it’s falling behind. It’s his body language which stinks. It’s the whole picture. Not a pretty one.
I don’t know how the Yankees deal with this kid. Seriously.
Brian NYY
August 25th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
At what point do we blame Posada for this?
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Ridiculous. This was a failure to launch and execute, not a failure to call.
Joba’s young, and he will improve. The issue is what do you do for the postseason?
Remember way, way back when Joba was an awesome 8th inning guy ???
Blew people away…had fire and determination…2 strikes ? they guy was already out….
Now we have a tender “nibbler”…..little little nibbles at the strike zone….tons of un-needed additional pitches…
He was going to be someone special….now he’s a #5 and no better….actually he’s getting worse…
Frustrating…..I wish the old Joba was back….maybe he’s gone forever…maybe someone will kick him in the freakin’ head and get him to be aggressive….is Eiland just pampering him ???
He needs Roger Clemens. Idiot that he might be – Soft and tender Joba needs someone like Clemens…..who else can teach (re-teach) him how to take charge like he used to ???
2 outs – can’t put him away.
2 strikes – can’t put him away.
I miss the Old Joba. Where’d he go ???
(our good old Melky – ‘nother tapper back to the pitcher. Useless.)
“He had a 4 run lead and either walked guts or pitched behind bad hitters the entire game.
This isn’t death ny papercuts. It’s death by a kid you can’t trust in the post-season.
No excuses tonight. He doesn’t throw enough strikes to trust.
This kid can’t be anywhere near an ALDS start.”
I think because they been watching his innings, despite what the whole “all hands on deck” talk and even if Joba pitches lights out in his final 5 starts, he wasn’t pitching in the ALDS anyway.
ALDS
Game 1: Sabathia
Game 2: Burnett
Game 3: Pettitte
Game 4: Sabathia
Game 5: Burnett
ALCS and World Series
Game 1: Pettitte
Game 2: Sabathia
Game 3: Burnett
Game 4: Chamberlain
Game 5: Pettitte
Game 6: Sabathia
Game 7: Burnett
The free passes are on Joba.
The steals are on Joba.
The bloops and seeing eye hits are part of the game.
Arod’s lack of mobility at 3B isn’t helping either.
Aw come on Nick that stuff was a joke! I’m sorry that I can’t be a comedic genius like you. I must resort to fake punching people in the face, if only to get a laugh out of myself. Also it was months ago and I don’t really want to punch anyone in the face!
As far as the ALDS, have we forgotten about Andy? He’s clutch.
CC, AJ, Andy, CC, AJ
CC, AJ, Andy, Joba + Gaudin + Hughes, CC, AJ, Andy
Brian, blaming Posada is dumb. It’s pretty common to go out of the zone on 0-1,0-2,1-2 to get someone to chase. Plus, Joba has been missing his spots all night. That is not Posada’s fault.
Joba is like the Brando of our rotation.
Sure he’ll give you a few brilliant performances in a row but then BAM! It’s Teahouse of the August Moon time.
Joba performed better as a reliever. Those were the days.
“You can’t expect him to dominate everytime out right away.”
Can we expect progress, at least? I’m willing to be patient,but I would like to see some progress along the line,too.
What makes me laugh is that people on this blog including Pete used to refer to us as “chuckleheads” for saying that Joba belongs in the pen.
Bottom line is he is not yet a good starter and he either belongs in AAA or the pen. He cannot be trusted with a postseason start I don’t care if he has 4 good starts in a row. This type of outing happens too frequently. Usually he is able to wiggle out of trouble like in the first inning (or like vs. Cleveland when he made a crazy diving catch). But Joba more often than not does NOT give a “quality” start. And that type of pitcher cannot be trusted.
I hope Yanks can get an extra day in between that first round so CC and AJ would pitch twice (if needed). Joba will have to wait for Game 4 of the ALCS when hopefully we have a 3-0 lead.
{Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
August 25th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
This might be a terrible thing to admit, and I know he’s *legendary and all that, but I find Vin Scully’s voice really grating.}
Very much agree. Always have.
Please with the nonsensical comparisons.
None of those guys are pitching in the post-season.
You can’t pitch like this and get a start in yhe ALDS.
He had 10 days off after the ASB and pitched great because he stopped pitching backward.
He shook off Posada all night to throw sliders that lead to walks and blowing a 4 run lead.
It’s not the catcher, manager or anybody else.
It’s Joba. It’s all on him.
Angel
Ridiculous?
Watch AJ’s starts. 0-2, 1-2, 2-2 are in the dirt or up and in.
Failure to execute, maybe….
But Posada is not calling for pitches on the black.
He’s asking for pitches out of the zone.
I see on other boards that folks are blaming Joba’s schedule for his performances….but he was pitching like this most of the year.
I think those 3 dominant starts after the All Star break proved to me that Joba still has it. However that Joba has disappeared and this Joba has re-emerged. Joba has plus stuff, 92-96 mph fastball, filthy slider and a decent change. He has the stuff to get hitters out, consistency is his number 1 enemy right now. I am not ready to give up on Joba however, perhaps next year when they finally remove the training wheels and he can go 200+ innings we will see the real Joba.
We haven’t seen progress – just the opposite.
He was a dominant setup man.
Then last year he was a good starter.
This year he started out as decent – no quality starts but low ERA.
He was lights out for 2 weeks. He has been flat out brutal lately.
WHat’s his ERA in his last 4 starts? Chien Ming Wang ESQ.
Failure to execute the pitch that was called.
Does Joba come out for the 5th?
I’ll be curious to see.
Too early to say he doesn’t start in the ALDS. I’ll say it’s unlikely but it’s still too early to make a definitive decision.
You only need 3 starters in the ALDS anyways and I’d go with a veteran like Pettitte over Joba even if Joba was pitching better.
The ALCS, on the other hand, is a completely different matter. You need 4 guys in a 7 game set. Joba will be starting one of those games, if the Yankees are fortunate enough to be there. I just hope he figures some things out before then.
Dude, he just sucks, plain and simple. Thank God he only pitches every two weeks or so
I’ll tell you, it’s going to be one fun postseason because no team is going to have a dominant pitcher going in so there are going to be some high scoring games – but you know what that means right? That bullpen depth is going to be mega-important.
And that generally goes for AJ too.
My complaint with the young Mr.Chamberlain has been the same throughout. People want to give him the benefit of youth, but a young pitcher trusts his catcher and just pitches. Joba thinks he knows what he’s doing, shakes off all of his catchers at least once an AB and is NEVER accountable for his failures.
If he says he pitched pretty good tonight one of his teammates should interrupt the interview and say,”No, Joba you pitched like crap and flushed a four run lead.”
I get more annoyed by this guy than anyone else — even Cano and the biggest reason is he won’t accept coaching, won’t accept direction and never holds himself accountable.
Patrick, I forgive you and I understand completely. Actually, my comment was meant more in the spirit of comic relief. Genius fails?
If Girardi really wanted to make Joba learn the hard way he’d run him back out there for the fifth.
“Sorry kid, we need 5 tonight. Get the job done or trot your fat ass back to the pen.”
“I think those 3 dominant starts after the All Star break proved to me that Joba still has it. However that Joba has disappeared and this Joba has re-emerged. Joba has plus stuff, 92-96 mph fastball, filthy slider and a decent change. He has the stuff to get hitters out, consistency is his number 1 enemy right now. I am not ready to give up on Joba however, perhaps next year when they finally remove the training wheels and he can go 200+ innings we will see the real Joba.”
thats exactly how i feel..you hit it on the head..
i cant judge joba as a starter until i see a full 200 innings without restrictions or limits..
I’m lucky enough to get the Texas broadcast.. where they have told me four times (and counting) so far, that it took Joba 37 pitches to get the 3rd out.
Ugh.
I don’t know what the trouble is but Joba is having trouble. Since I don’t believe he has forgotten how to pitch, I am hoping that between Eiland and Girardi they can figure something out. I feel bad for the kid since I’m sure he doesn’t want to be out there laying an egg.
I’m in beantown right now, where I am hoping for good news but may not get it. Lester keeps wiggling out of jams.
Funny how the people who wanted Joba in the rotation so he could use all of his great secondary pitches now bellyache when he throws them.
Of course huge amounts of extra rest and irregular use can’t possibly have anything to do with his struggles. Forget that these new “joba rules” go against 100 some-odd years of baseball practice. Cashman knows best.
If he can’t pitch in the rotation, and we all know using him in the bullpen is a waste of an asset, maybe we should try him in right field. But only on odd days, and for no more than 6 innings at a time.
I have absolutely no faith that Joba will ever turn it around. Ever. Not this season, not next season.
I think it’s a shame.
I hate to admit that this is how I feel about Joba. I so wanted him to be successful. Maybe it’s my own disappointment coming through, but I see a guy who may have good stuff but who does not know how to pitch.
He’s supremely lucky there was no one to take his place here so he could be sent to SWB to work it out. He’s also lucky that this team is having an exception year and can more or less weather these “growing pains.” If they are that. Because that phrase would mean that he’s in fact growing, which I see no evidence of, 2 or 3 great starts out of how many others notwithstanding.
“Genius fails?”
More likely I’m just too sensitive.
Man oh man, even the guy that agrees with not pulling Joba too early is making fun of me.
Tough town.
Theres a 50/50 chance Joba finishes the season on a good note. There is also a 50/50 chance of getting Texas in first round. If Girardi lets Joba take a start against them its grounds for dismissal.
(I’m not really advocating letting Girardi go, but that would be just about the dumbest thing to do to start Joba against them).
Damn.
Konerko definitely would have scored on that.
Well at least Joba will be pitching on regular rest next time out. Actually I think he’ll pitch a few more times in regular rotation as there are not too many days off. Either that or Mitre and Gaudin will both be in the rotation, which won’t happen until they near clinching.
Boy, this has turned out to be a real fun game!!!
Maybe, he’s really unlucky. Maybe he would have been better served if he had been sent down.
(After re-reading my own post)
“I see on other boards that folks are blaming Joba’s schedule for his performances….but he was pitching like this most of the year”
Yes he has. Simply put the 3 outstanding starts he had out of the break he didn’t shake off Posada, threw a lot more FBs, wasn’t trying to put every hitter away with a slider…
For some reason he has stopped doing that and the results as you can see haven’t been good. It’s not the schedule.
Holy crap.
Cruz crushed that pitch.
With CC you may not need 4 guys, depending on any off days in the schedule
l o l
Whomever posted the ALDS schedule, thanks.
It makes me feel better because they won’t have to use him in the ALDS. That helps.
If they are fortunate enough to get to the ALCS, you are stuck using him for a start. But, you will be able to pull him early when he melts down.
6 more weeks of putting up with this nonsense though because if he hasn’t learned by now, it’s not happening the rest of the year.
It seems the majority of you guys say he wont’ listen.
Well, what do you do with a pitcher that won’t listen? Not just any pitcher, mind you, but a pitcher with the talent of Chamberlain. A pitcher the Yankees are counting on to figure it out.
What do you do if you’re Girardi?
Remeber that this is not XBox.
Pitches are about type an location. Posada is calling the pitch and location. You can see where he sets up that his call is for out of zone.
Yes, AJ and Joba shake off 7 of 8 pitches but I watch Posada routinely set up out of the zone on a 2-2 pitch.
3-2 pitches are an inch from a walk.
All I want is Posada to challenge hitters and force strikes. Stop nibbling and go after people.
I believe that walks are 65% failure to execute, 35% bad pitch calls.
I’m guessing Girardi has decided to forfeit this game? Or is there another reason the white Igawa is on the mound?
UNBELIEVABLE.
Lester had the third out on a strike out and the ball got by Varitek and the run scored from third and Ramirez made it to first.
After a nuclear war, there would still be cockroaches and Joba-to-the-bullpen devotees.
White Sox just took the lead 3-2.
Tough to come back in a game when your pitchers can’t get anybody out.
Well Boston is losing so Texas will gain a game in the wc maybe! Just like you all wanted right!
pedroia would’ve gotten that. lazy cano…! i kid.
Yankees=Epic Fail
Prediction: Sox finish in first, 6 games ahead of Spanks.
Tampa Bay: Wild Card
Yanks: Burger King vacation
WS: Red Sox over Dodgers in 6.
I must say – now that the Yankees have basically locked up the division, I was rooting against Joba tonight.
I was a huge Joba to the Pen advocate from day 1, I’ve felt all along that we needed him in the 8th inning. Yes Hughes is there and Hughes has been excellent. But the Yankees made a grave mistake – they should have kept Hughes in the rotation and Joba to the pen. Makes no sense to me why they went the way they did.
Now I cannot help but smile when Joba fails more often than he succeeds. He has 3 great starts and everyone says he’s amazing.
He has had 5-6 great starts all year. He has had 5-6 really bad starts and the rest have been mediocre but most of the time he cannot even go a full 6 innings. This is not someone who shows me great potential.
Just because he has several above average pitches does not mean he knows how to use them – he obviously does not.
I hope his Yankees career is not in jeopardy. I have no faith he will ever become a good starter here and at this point it is very hard to root for him.
Chad Gaudin can’t locate today either. Keep it low in the zone, Chad–they still have a chance.
‘Joba Rule’ is ruinning Joba and killing the Yankees’ bullpen.
‘Joba Rule’ is a so stupid plan and unfair to other pitcher.
I really don’t understand Cash is smart or not.
Well, at least Joba could get Cruz out. Gaudin sure can’t. Blech. He’s lucky Rodriguez didn’t get more of the pitch he hit, too, or it would be a 4 run deficit.
4-0 and excited for another win to 5-8 and a ton of frustration. Not a relaxing evening.
Whatever happened to those easy games?
Gaudin needs to be able to throw an off speed pitch
Ralphie- Glad someone agrees. I feel the fact that he has been forced into very odd rest and doesn’t get to pitch every 5th day like his peers has taken its toll. I truly believe that he has regressed because of this insane set of rules.
ugly game…
I don’t buy that he just won’t listen. I think that’s a hill of crap. Remember how he came back from the ASB. What, he listened then and stopped listening?
Sometimes I think people here are too simplistic in their assessments. Whatever the problem is, let Girardi solve it.
JMO
So the Yankees have one pitcher they can trust in the playoffs and that guy has been awful in the playoffs so far in his career
TERRIFIC!!!!!!!!
“I must say – now that the Yankees have basically locked up the division, I was rooting against Joba tonight.”
You’re an idiot.
“Yankees=Epic Fail
Prediction: Sox finish in first, 6 games ahead of Spanks.
Tampa Bay: Wild Card
Yanks: Burger King vacation
WS: Red Sox over Dodgers in 6.”
Wow, you are really dumb. I mean really dumb.
Trisha, I think Occam’s Razor applies here.
I get your disappointment, Doreen – i’m pretty frustrated with him myself. But those starts after the all star break shows me still has “something”. The talent isn’t gone, but the execution of it is missing or something. Its like 2 steps forward, 5 steps back with him.
How long has it been that Yankee fans have had to sit through the growing pains of a young pitcher? Maybe we’ve forgotten exactly how frustrating and painful at times it can be? I don’t know.. just thinking aloud – I’m not used to feeling frustrated at a player like this.
Melky down.
Hinske or Hairston up.
It’s always up to the pitcher, whether AJ, Joba, Andy, CC, Mo, etc…….to execute the pitch.
The Yankees can only come back so many times during his starts. What Joba ends up doing is breathing life into the opposing teams and giving the SP a new lease…We’ve got something of a struggling staff now. CC has been great, but AJ needs to get back on the beam. Andy’s been terrific, Joba’s been miserable and Gaudin/Mitre….well, they are who we think they are.
“Ralphie- Glad someone agrees. I feel the fact that he has been forced into very odd rest and doesn’t get to pitch every 5th day like his peers has taken its toll. I truly believe that he has regressed because of this insane set of rules.”
That of course makes sense so it will be ignored. We’ve seen other pitchers have a hard time on irregular rest.
It’s easier to pile on the kid than try to understand there could be a rational reason. As always, I’ll go with the minority (and no necessarily the wrong) vote.
I agree that Posada is part of the problem. When you get a lot of 2 out runs, pitch call has to have something to do with it. Doesn’t excuse Joba, but it does take two.
Just for kicks, how many times is Molina behind the plate when the other team has a big inning with two outs?
Jorge has been the one for the past 3, correct?: Burnett x 2 (WS and RS), Joba today?
Bloop and a blast is not out of the realm of possibility here.
I thought Millwood would be un-hittable. Here’s hoping for the best!
” Do you really think any manager in baseball would pull his pitcher in the 2nd inning just to get his attention?”
ozzie guillen might. leyland might. billy martin would have.
in a semi pro game , i was catcher/ manager for the day and our starter who was in love with his curve ball threw it on the first pitch of the game after i had called time and walked out to the mound when he kept shaking me off for the fastball i was calling.
he threw one pitch that day.
the only thing i regret is i probably shouldn’t have dragged him off the field by his ear
when he wouldn’t give me the ball.
I want Joba to say that he sucked tonight, has he ever thrown himself under the bus? Ever?
a little tangent…but if we’re unable to sign damon cheap, then how about a 1 year alternative of angel pagan? he’s 29 and has done a very solid job for the mets.
Two observations on Joba’s start: he did not pitch well at all from the stretch; secondly, it did not seem that he can blow his fastball by anybody.
“Ralphie- Glad someone agrees. I feel the fact that he has been forced into very odd rest and doesn’t get to pitch every 5th day like his peers has taken its toll. I truly believe that he has regressed because of this insane set of rules.”
although the rules might not be most conducive to consistent pitching…its the only thing the yankees could do if they didnt want to straight shut him down when he reached his innings limit…they put themselves in this situation…
“I agree that Posada is part of the problem. When you get a lot of 2 out runs, pitch call has to have something to do with it. Doesn’t excuse Joba, but it does take two.
Just for kicks, how many times is Molina behind the plate when the other team has a big inning with two outs?”
So it’s Posada calling for Joba to throw meatballs and hanging sliders?
As Posada has said numerous times, all he does is make suggestions.
“… Remember how he came back from ASB. What, he listened then and stopped listening?”
That’s what it looks like. How do you explain throwing 70% FBs in those 3 outstanding starts and now he’s mostly breaking pitches?
Did you guys ever stop to think maybe the Rangers have a pretty good lineup?
Next week is September and they’re a game out of the wild card. This is a good team and no one seems to give them any respect.
Everyone says the Sox are a lock for the wild card and the only threat is TB (who has been behind Texas for most of the year). I don’t get it.
This team can hit, has a great bullpen, speedy lineup, and plays good defense. The starters are underrated.
Quality team.
There’s the bloop.
Pepitone,
What do you do with him? You realize he is what he is for this season and keep him from killing you in meaningful games.
Tonight, you could after the second inning he had no interest in attacking the zone. That’s why I knew if they didn’t pull him, he would torch the lead. It was only a matter of time.
At this point, you have to hope CC, AJ and Andy stay healthy the of the way. They are important to the Yankees post-season chances than Joba.
Just get his innings in and forget about him being a meaningful post-season contributor.
The hype doesn’t match the results.
How many line drives did Joba give up?
How many hard hit balls?
Home many homers?
Bueller? Bueller?
raymagnetic August 25th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
“Yankees=Epic Fail
Prediction: Sox finish in first, 6 games ahead of Spanks.
Tampa Bay: Wild Card
Yanks: Burger King vacation
WS: Red Sox over Dodgers in 6.”
Wow, you are really dumb. I mean really dumb.
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We’ll see about that, Timmy. Talk to me in early November and tell me who is dumb when the Sox are riding around in teh duck boats during their World Series Championship parade on Mass Ave.
The worm has turned.
Porky, unfortunately pitching is not quite as simple as Occam’s Razor.
If it were, wouldn’t the simple answer about the second half of last season be that he stunk and his career was over? That’s the one I used and it proved to be wrong.
So I think simplistic isn’t always correct – it’s just easier.
Make it happen Sui!
That was referring to Pettitte.
How long has it been that Yankee fans have had to sit through the growing pains of a young pitcher? Maybe we’ve forgotten exactly how frustrating and painful at times it can be? I don’t know.. just thinking aloud – I’m not used to feeling frustrated at a player like this.
*****
I think you just the nail on the head Angel. I can’t recall a single homegrown pitcher since Andy Pettitte. The Yankee way has always been to sign the high priced established free agent and then watch him fall apart.
I am so 5 seconds away from muting these Texas clowns.
I don’t believe we went throw all this with Andy when he was young, and unlike Joba, ANdy improved every start and even though he would get hit you could see the improvement, in Joba is see no improvement!
Patrick, What SJ & I stated during the 2nd inning was to get the pen going and then yank him…..Also I stated that he’d be gone by the 5th inning…Now the club is losing, and what was becoming an eveident pattern that was noticable in that 2nd inning has come true……Sooner or later a strong and clear message needs to be sent….Also disgaard all those yelow and faded clippings from 07 that has filled his head……Someone in the clubhouse needs to lean on his ass….Much like Damon did with PHIL
Joba has 4 pitches but they are all average.
When he was throwing his fastball at 98 MPH and blowing it by hitters, his 87 MPH slider was devastating. How many K’s did he get on check swings on his slider?
Now his fastball is just average in the low 90′s. He doesn’t throw his slider for strikes and he rarely uses the breaking pitches.
Throw in the fact that he is stubborn and immature, and does not have great command = 4-5 innings, 4 ERA, 2 WHIP.
At least the White Sox are winning. Though I don’t expect them to hold on.
I got tickets for my dad to this game tonight.
I feel kind of bad. Hopefully they come back for him
I can’t believe that someone would ask about FA signings this winter when the Yanks are leading the division and in a race for the best record in the AL. Terrible.
I’m not a pitching coach, a former pitcher, a baseball professional, or an athlete. dI have never met Joba, and I have no idea what goes on in that clubhouse.
But I do work with a lot of young professionals, just getting their feet wet. So, take this for what it worth.
I wouldn’t give up on Joba. Not by a long shot. Young adults are very frustrating, in any line of work. It’s the exceptional person who is not frustrating. Some of it comes from the arrogance of youth. But even older guys can be stubborn.
You can only help someone who wants to be helped, regardless of their age.
Joba has to want to do better, really want that. And until he does, he will struggle. But, the potential reward is tremendous. You have to keep your eyes on the prize at the end of the road, not the problems you have getting there.
So, I keep running him out there until the stubborn twit gets with the program. Expect Joe and Dave Eiland to run through a lot of antacid.
miggs-
Yea, they’ve been pretty good. I would like them to give the Red Sox a run for their money soon.
Great farm system,too. They really got a great haul from the Texeira deal. I think it was Feliz, that catcher I can’t even type his name and some other good prospects. They’ve really done well.
““Yankees=Epic Fail
Prediction: Sox finish in first, 6 games ahead of Spanks.
Tampa Bay: Wild Card
Yanks: Burger King vacation
WS: Red Sox over Dodgers in 6.”
Wow, you are really dumb. I mean really dumb.”
raymagnetic- Don’t feed the obvious Sox troll, he is just mad that his teams season is over.
Trisha- Thanks for being a sane person and not just shouting down my humble opinion. A pitcher on 8-9 days rest will often struggle, these are facts.
Enough with blaming the catcher.
It’s up to the pitcher to throw strikes. Joba continues to shakeoff ALL yhe catchers to throw 3-2 sliders and he walks people left and right.
It’s the pitcher and not the catcher.
“That’s what it looks like. How do you explain throwing 70% FBs in those 3 outstanding starts and now he’s mostly breaking pitches?”
An injury? That’s what I’m saying I think there is a lot more to it than “the kid is stubborn, the kid won’t listen.” We’ll get to hear what Girardi’s assessment is, as well as Joba’s.
Anyway, I hope for nothing but the best outcome. I have faith in his pitching ability. We’ll see.
Doreen
I’ve never heard you so down on a player.
They’ll get him straightened out or you won’t need to have faith in him next year cause he won’t be out there.
don’t fear the RISP cano…bring the cowbell…
Now that Joba has stunk it up today, I think Girardi has to send him a message.
The division is not locked up and today’s game is not over. Let the team fight back but Joba needs to understand that he is not Bob Gibson. He is at best Joba “Rules” Chamberlain. Get your head out of your … and throw the pitches that are called.
Can Cano get it done?
There must be something physically wrong with Joba.
Hopefully he will come clean and spill the beans to Ernie P.
No one gives up that many bloops, bleeders and seeing eye hits without hiding some kind of injury.
nope
would you rather have:
a) a pitcher who listens to his catcher and just can’t get guys out
b) a pitcher who has a ton of talent and just needs to smarten up
dont give up on Joba.
Just keep your fingers crossed that somebody smacks some sense into him… soon.
Andy Pettitte didnt come up with the hype that has surrounded Joba either, Erica.
I wonder if the Yankees did him a little bit of a disservice in hyping and promoting (face of the franchise type of promoting) him so young. Its not their usual MO with their young players. I can’t even recall that Jeter got that much hype before he’d played in the majors. Its been a while since he came up though.. I could be misremembering.
What a waste.
Al,
You’re a lot more composed than I would expect during a game like this.
I’m surprised you’re not ripping into them.
Pedroia would have belted a 3-run HR
Mark, Andy also spent about 4 full seasons in the Minors and logged over 500 innings during that time. It’s amazing what happens when you don’t rush guys to the majors, especially into the starting rotation.
Joba needs a checkup from the neck up
And let Girardi call the game until he grows up & stops nibbling.
2 out hits (no matter how soft), the inability to put away with 2 strikes is inexcusable
“I think you just the nail on the head Angel. I can’t recall a single homegrown pitcher since Andy Pettitte. The Yankee way has always been to sign the high priced established free agent and then watch him fall apart.”
Very true. Maybe it is that. Plus, this is a team every year thats built to win. Not watch the grass grow.
Joba just needs a major attitude adjustment. He needs to stop shaking off the catchers and when he losses he needs to just say I had a bad night and I’m sorry…that’s it!! Look at Andy Pettite, when he losses he feels really bad about it.
I don’t think Joba doesn’t have talent. But something is missing. I have never been a Joba to the pen person. I think if he harnesses his talent, he should be a starter. I guess I have my doubts that he’ll be able to harness it.
The Rangers are a good team, but they can be beaten and they can be pitched to.
“I don’t believe we went throw all this with Andy when he was young, and unlike Joba, ANdy improved every start and even though he would get hit you could see the improvement, in Joba is see no improvement!”
We went through a ton more! Does everyone remember when Pettitte was one phone call away from being traded and only because Torre convinced Steinbrenner was Pettitte saved. And as it turned out it was the right decision.
Well, the Black Sox WERE beating Boston.
I’m not giving up on, Joba. Not in the least. I just am a little frustrated with him because I think he’s better than he’s been showing the last couple of games.
“An injury?”
If he’s hurt I don’t think he would be throwing so many breaking pitches. Especially sliders which puts lots of stress on the elbow.
Seems like just a hard ass. Not only does he not know how to pitch (which is forgivable because he is only 23 without a lot of minor league experience) but he’s not that willing to, it appears, to listen to his catcher that knows…I don’t a little more then him.
Cano is so unreliable with runners in scoring position its ridiculous.
Sloba
“I think you just the nail on the head Angel. I can’t recall a single homegrown pitcher since Andy Pettitte. The Yankee way has always been to sign the high priced established free agent and then watch him fall apart.”
Andy Pettitte’s rookie year
Regular season: 31 G, 26 GS, 175 innings, 12-9, 4.17 ERA, 114 SO, 63 BB, 1.406 WHIP
Postseason: 1 G, 7 Innings, 4 Runs, 9 Hits, 1 BB, 5.14 ERA
Look at those numbers! Clearly, the Yankees should’ve never shown faith that Andy Pettitte would put things together. They should’ve converted him into their 8th inning guy!
Why wasn’t Andy converted into the setup man!?!?!
“There must be something physically wrong with Joba.
Hopefully he will come clean and spill the beans to Ernie P.
No one gives up that many bloops, bleeders and seeing eye hits without hiding some kind of injury.”
I think I am agreeing with you here. Hopefully yes he does spill the beans.
The last time he had this much rest he threw the best 3 starts of the season.
His numbers with more than 4 days rest are much better than when he is on regular rest. It’s not the break.
Continuing to throw sliders in fastball counts, walking too many people, ignoring runners on base and torching 4 run leads have nothing to do with having time off.
It has to do with having a young kid who is too stubborn for his own good and does not process learning how to be an effective starter fast enough to trust in the post-season.
“Now his fastball is just average in the low 90’s. He doesn’t throw his slider for strikes and he rarely uses the breaking pitches.”
I think you hit the nail on the head. When Joba was a reliever, he didn’t necessarily have to throw strikes to get hitters out because hitters would chase at a 97 mph fastball and had to cheat with the slider.
Now his average fastball velocity is much closer to 92-93 mph. We’ve heard so many times that that velocity is enough for a starter, but that’s ONLY with good command. Joba does not have that command. 92-93 mph with bad command is what you’d expect from Mitre or Ponson, not an elite prospect.
See Joba’ starts lately,and Yankees need to think about to send him to bullpen.
Desire to see Yankees win not loss.
miggs- I am trying to keep a level head. Perhaps the 7 game lead helps. We can’t afford to many games like this however.
“Well, the Black Sox WERE beating Boston.”
The Black Sox.
What a joke. 4 pitch walk to bird. Then a double. fail.
Hey look! Another Yankee pitcher struggling with 2 outs.
There is a problem here. I don’t think it is Posada’s fault. But something needs to be fixed.
ugh – this game is just painful to watch
It’s not just the irregular rest. People (inside the organization and out) have filled his head with this foolishness that he should be a four-pitch guy and that he should be a “pitcher” not a “thrower.”
How many great power pitchers threw 4 pitches? Clemens? Randy Johnson? Ryan? Gooden in his prime? Why do you think Mo only uses his change in Spring Training?
Trying to incorporate too many different styles at too young an age has robbed him of his aggresiveness.
He should attack with his fastball and slider and make strikeouts his aim. When he has his ‘tude back, he can mix in some change-ups. And he should pitch on regular rest or not at all, like every other guy in the history of the sport.
# trisha – OPPC lifetime member and true believer in Ortiz karma. August 25th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
“Well, the Black Sox WERE beating Boston.”
The Black Sox.
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They’ll always be the Black Sox to me.
I mean, c’mon, have you actually ever seen them wear white sox?
eyes…. bleeding…
I totally agree with Pete, “Chad Gaudin, isn’t the game still within reach?”
It won’t be after this guy is through.
lets face the facts guys
when joba first came up we saw this phenomenal reliever who absolutely blew peoples door off…that was the dude’s first pro year…he threw 88 innings in the minor leagues that year and has never been back since…
so next year the yanks started joba off in the pen again with the idea in mind that he’d eventually be a starter…
then the day came where he transitioned to the rotation and joba was an instant hit…he pitched great as a starter up until the point where he got hurt…
so he comes back and is in the pen…hes not electric joba but he got the job done…
then ST comes around this year and joba starts the year in the rotation..
now we are here..8/25 and joba has had a painfully inconsistent year…
BIG QUESTION:
1. Why did we never hear about joba shaking off catchers last year? did he do it?
joba needs experience…find me a successful 23 year starter who has 88 minor league innings not named lincecum
Joba has to do one of the three to become a top-notch starter: increase his velocity, improve his command, or seriously improve his curve or changeup. Otherwise I think he is stuck at mediocrity.
2 out rallies make me sick so ive been sick a lot lately
wow – gaudin sucks… can we get our money back?
Why is it so hard to get the 3rd out,without runs scoring,or them getting on base? Sigh!
Another 2 out rally off a walk. This looks like a pitching staff bug a boo the last 2 weeks.
If Joba doesn’t get his act together, he will be a Gaudin/Tomko type
This is a disgustingly pitched game. Absolutely horrendous. No excuse for this nonsense. Not from Joba and not from Gaudin.
Let’s walk in a run now.
No, wait, Pudge is going to show his old ability to hit with RISP which seemed to leave him last season while with the Yankees.
Man, I’m in a foul mood tonight and this game is not helping. I should really change the channel.
Can we stop the 2-out madness?
This is definitely becoming a team-wide issue. We’ve seen this from Joba, Burnett, Sabathia, Aceves, Robertson, and Gaudin, all in the last week.
Very glad to be wrong there.
Turning point of the game.
Calling it
Doreen-
Do you need a hug?
We’re now like the 04-07 Yankees… have to slug our way to a title except when CC pitches…
Phew!!
See, atleast Gaudin throws strikes and makes the other team hit his pitch. He doesn’t beat himself like Joba.
SJ
Wasn’t this the rap on Joba in the draft? That he had makeup issues?
People need to stop with the stupid Joba velocity crap.
He’s not attacking the zone like he should be.
His velocity doesn’t have jack to do with it.
He’ll turn it around. Tonight is not that big of a deal.
It’s only the middle of the 6th inning.
Are all you crabby east coasters going to be able to go the distance?
F I N A L L Y,the inning is ovah!
Joba Rule really affect other bullpen pitchers’s adjustment.
Please stop the most foolish plan.
nice play in Boston. pop up to Okajima and he dropped it.
leadoff man on for Chicago
maybe none of you were watching, but its not like joba got knocked around the yard, a bunch of bloops and 36 hoppers that found holes. it would then be a stretch to say he was hit hard tonight and they roughed him up. the line doesnt look good and maybe its the rest and maybe its not, but hes 23 in his first full season in the bigs. for those who want to give up on him (which is honesttly the stupidest things ever second to the b-jobbers) in becketts first season with the red sox he had an era of over 5 and he was already an established pro with a world series mvp.
I can’t believe we had a Red Sox troll on this board tonight…I’d be hiding out for the rest of the season if I were a Sox fan.
Angel – A tale told by idiots – full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
August 25th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Andy Pettitte didnt come up with the hype that has surrounded Joba either, Erica.
I wonder if the Yankees did him a little bit of a disservice in hyping and promoting (face of the franchise type of promoting) him so young. Its not their usual MO with their young players. I can’t even recall that Jeter got that much hype before he’d played in the majors. Its been a while since he came up though.. I could be misremembering.
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Derek Jeter earned an infamous internal Yankee memo that there was no way the Yankees could win the World Series in 1996 with Derek Jeter as their everyday shortstop. FAIL
THEN
the ball gets away in the return throw to the pitcher and it goes into CF
man on 2nd no outs
UNREAL!!!
Doreen imposter????????
Nats crushing the Cubs
did anybody else just see that play in Boston???
wow
I absolutely am willing to consider any idea put forth except that he is just being stubborn. That is plain silly – and lazy. But it’s easier to dump on him that way than to try to really think it out and figure out what other things could be the cause.
SJ – I think you are absolutely and unequivocally wrong on this one. It may be an infrequent occassion, but it does happen.
And I didn’t count the days rest but I have trouble believing that his best three starts all came with 8 days rest, or whatever you said. Dates, if you have the energy.
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 25th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
It’s only the middle of the 6th inning.
Are all you crabby east coasters going to be able to go the distance?
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My poor dad is at this torture device/baseball game
The plan for the opposing team should be to get 2 quick outs, then go for the 2 out rally. It is obvious our pitchers have some sort of problem finishing batters.
YAY! Possibility of a big White Sox inning coming up here.
This game is taking forever
trisha
did you see it (the Sox last 2 batters?)
“did anybody else just see that play in Boston???
wow”
BD I just switched over. What happened?
Good news-
Our old friend Aaron Boone is coming back to the Astros Friday.
Good luck Aaron!
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
Because the Yankees have some home runs off Millwood today, everyone is trying to hit home runs now.
Every hitter is up there hitting fly balls and getting “under” every ball because they keep swinging for the fences. You’re down 3 runs, how about you try getting some BASERUNNERS first?
I have a stupid question. If we wait till Sept 1 when rosters expand to bring back Brett, is he eligible for the post season?
I miss GGBG
“I mean, c’mon, have you actually ever seen them wear white sox?”
Imagine, Jim Thome or Jermaine Dye wearing white sox…
Giuseppe Franco:
You’re absolutely right!
93 and control is a hell of a weapon for a starter. He doesn’t need to throw 95+ every pitch.
He was awesome after the all-star break because he grabbed the ball, saw the sign, and attacked the zone.
I think we all agree, we just want him to do that every start. He has the talent and the arsenal. Just do it!
Can’t catch a break
jennifer
August 25th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
I have a stupid question. If we wait till Sept 1 when rosters expand to bring back Brett, is he eligible for the post season?
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Yes, because he is on the 40 man
Robbed
trisha,
First, Carlos Quentin hit a weak popup to the mound and it dropped in over Okajima’s head.
Then, after the first pitch to the next batter, Victor Martinez threw the ball back to the mound and Okajima (apparently) wasn’t expecting it and it just went right into centerfield. Quentin takes 2nd.
havent seen that too often.
Wow. Was Byrd playing shallow there?
Okay, replay shows no. Man, that was a tough catch to watch.
ahhh okay. Thanks
Dino,
It doesn’t matter how hard the balls were hit. The problem was that yet again, he showed an inability to pitch intelligently. He is spotted a 4 run lead and starts walking guys and nibbling. He is facing the 7-8-9 hitters and starts nibbling despite having a lead. He is falling behind hitters and putting himself in trouble.
Bloopers or hard hit balls, they are putting it in play because he is making dumb pitches. He is hanging sliders by stubbornly refusing to throw fastballs in there to challenge guys and not putting hitters away.
I’m glad that Posada isn’t getting the blame for this like he does with AJ because it is all on the pitcher.
This is the worst start of Joba’s career. No way he should be be pitching that carefully with a lead like that. Someone had a link to an article by Jim Kaat talking about pitch selection and pitching based on the game situation. To throw HALF your pitches for balls when you have a 4 run lead after the first inning is awful.
At the same time, he’s still got the talent to be a front end starter, and I’d still take him this year over almost any 4th starter in the league.
As far as the ALDS goes, the team that has the best record gets to decide what 5 game schedule they are on, right?
“Andy Pettitte’s rookie year
Regular season: 31 G, 26 GS, 175 innings, 12-9, 4.17 ERA, 114 SO, 63 BB, 1.406 WHIP
Postseason: 1 G, 7 Innings, 4 Runs, 9 Hits, 1 BB, 5.14 ERA
Look at those numbers! Clearly, the Yankees should’ve never shown faith that Andy Pettitte would put things together. They should’ve converted him into their 8th inning guy!
Why wasn’t Andy converted into the setup man!?!?!”
Because Andy pitched 2 (9inning) CG’s and 15 games going 7 innings or better. In his last 7 starts of that season he went 8 or better 6 times and 7 innings 1 time.
Joba’s accomplished what exactly? And why are we trying to compare him to Andy Pettitte’s rookie year?
Wish I had seen it!
I am going to be very annoyed if they can’t get that run in from third!
18 to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeteskies
White Sox winning + Rangers losing is not the worst thing in the world…
you can’t stop him you can only hope to contain him
This whole game is frustrating. We haven’t done much offensively since the first, Joba was terrible, Gaudin was terrible……..For a first place team with the best record in baseball, we have some issues to straighten out, don’t we?
Erica, just emailed you…….and that’s fantastic news about Boone. I can’t believe that someone coming off heart surgery could actually return to playing the game. That’s just remarkable.
When was the last time Derek Jeter didn’t reach base??
They’re going to bring Neftli Feliz in soon.
Jetes.
me too.
Dye swung at a bad pitch and popped out.
I dont like AJ Pierzynski but I’ll root for him here.
Okay I try not to get to high or low during baseball season due to it’s long length but I really do think the Yankees missed the boat with both Joba & Hughes(not saying Hughes isn’t pitching fantastic he is) but I have feeling that having Joba in the pen & Hughes as the 3 or 4th starter we’d be in a much better position. Hughes was really coming around when they put him in the pen & I have a feeling he’d be a more effective STABLE starter and Joba would be Joba in the pen. I’m not saying Joba won’t be a great starting pitcher in the future, but if our purpose is to win it all this year that’s how I’d go to war.
Okay I try not to get to high or low during baseball season due to it’s long length but I really do think the Yankees missed the boat with both Joba & Hughes(not saying Hughes isn’t pitching fantastic he is) but I have feeling that having Joba in the pen & Hughes as the 3 or 4th starter we’d be in a much better position. Hughes was really coming around when they put him in the pen & I have a feeling he’d be a more effective STABLE starter and Joba would be Joba in the pen. I’m not saying Joba won’t be a great starting pitcher in the future, but if our purpose is to win it all this year that’s how I’d go to war.
here comes feliz…dum dum dum!!!
“Trying to incorporate too many different styles at too young an age has robbed him of his aggresiveness.”
You might have a point there. When Joba first became a starter, there was no doubt that he was a power pitcher. To think that he nibble so much with his offspeed pitches is mind-boggling.
Randy Johnson had a pretty nasty slider. That didn’t mean he would try to paint the corner with it in the first pitch of an AB.
All pitchers have to establish the fastball, and Joba likes his offspeed pitch too much. He’s pitching like 39-year old Mussina, not a kid who was rated one of the top prospects in baseball.
If he was getting pounded with his fastball, than that’s one thing. But there’s no way he should allow himself to continually get beaten with his slider, both by walks and by hits.
But the white soxs aren’t winning.
The sun will come out tomorrow… but it will only be the middle of the 8th inning of this game.
Why do people keep bringing up ERAs of pitchers from almost 20 years ago?
Should Joba pitch 280 innings just because 23 yr olds back in the day did?
JETER IS UNREAL ON FIRE!!!!!
“White Sox winning + Rangers losing is not the worst thing in the world…”
Zed –
Last week I said that was part of my ideal scenario. Plus with the Rays winning it could be sweet.
We ain’t hitting Feliz… that kid is good.
This ain’t over!
/charles bronson’d
The Yankees have less issues to straighten out than any other team.
no.27
August 25th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
When was the last time Derek Jeter didn’t reach base??
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With a girl or in actual baseball.
The answer to both is Jeter probably doesn’t remember that far back
“Wasn’t this the rap on Joba in the draft? That he had makeup issues?”
No, the rap on Joba in the draft was that he was injury prone.
Erica -
Maybe just some sleep.
I really don’t like ugly games. And I have been thinking about how people are saying the Yankees have the division “practically” sewn up; all the glowing articles about the “turning point” of this season and the Yankees’ dominance. And I can’t help but think about the morning after the Yankees beat the Detroit Tigers in the first game of the ALDS. They replayed the post-game interviews all morning and I watched every time. I had supreme confidence that they were indeed, as Leyland said, “Murderers row and then Cano.” And then they weren’t.
And I feel like there is a shoe that can still drop. Until they actually get that “x,” I’m not comfortable.
And games like this make me very nervous about things. I don’t think they’re going to collapse. I think they are going to be fine. But I’m antsy, or anxious, and I feel all the hoopla (glowing reports and premature accolades by the media and some fans) will turn karma around. At least the Yankees themselves seem to realize that it’s still game by game, series by series.
Anyway, with Joba, it’s not that I’m not able to deal with growing pains. It’s simply totally frustrating seeing him go backwards, or seeming to.
At least Derek Jeter is something to watch!!!
I thought you said White Sox and Rangers winning. Sorry.
Feliz is nasty
Melky needs these bloopers….and the tappers….something has to eventually fall in…..even Wang used to get on base…
Just imagine if he even walked – RBI for Jeter & another run….but NOOOOOOOO
Where the h*ll is JHJ ???
Even crippled and ornery Shefield would actually help the Yanks taking his spot!!!
Stretch out Aceves
Give him some starts down the stretch and see if he can outperform Joba.
If he does, he is the #4 starter. It may also be easier on his shoulder.
Neftali Feliz = ’07 Joba Chamberlain
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 25th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
It’s only the middle of the 6th inning.
Are all you crabby east coasters going to be able to go the distance?
………………………………………..
What about us crabbies down here in So. Cal.?
I’m going the distance … maybe.
Andy Pettitte’s rookie year doesn’t have a whole lot of relevance unless you want to compare the number of minor league innings he threw to the number Joba threw.
Someone get Rebecca from wherever she posts during games and she will explain it to you.
joba is a cocky arrogant sob who needs to be humbled
If they can’t hit Feliz at-least make him work so he won’t be available tomorrow.
Trisha – That is what I meant lol… Rangers AND Chi Sox winning.
BD – unreal…
Trevor August 25th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
If they can’t hit Feliz at-least make him work so he won’t be available tomorrow.
They don’t pitch him 2 days in a row.
So how does bringing up the rookie seasons of Andy or Glavine or Maddux help us find a #4 starter this year?
Nobody said he can’t someday be good… but we are a playoff team with world series aspirations. We can’t trot this Joba out there and expect to go very far.
Wow Feliz sure is something huh?
Which trade was he acquired in?
“If they can’t hit Feliz at-least make him work so he won’t be available tomorrow.”
hes not avaible tomorrow anyway..they dont pitch him back to back…hes on the joba rules
Oh that Jeter, he’s such a bad role model for today’s youth
trisha
yep. the Jermaine Dye AB was the most disappointing but AJ had plenty of 89mph fastballs left up that he couldn’t handle.
disappointing
i hope the Rios trade pays dividends right now
Neftali Feliz= ’02 K-Rod
Texas is actually a good team with a good bullpen. You can’t give away 4 run leads against them and expect to so easily come back.
This is all on Joba. What a disgraceful outing, especially after being spotted that kind of lead. He didn’t even care to challenge guys with a FOUR RUN LEAD. That tells you that there is something wrong with this kid’s head and that somebody needs to sit him down and really chew him out.
Yankees are still in it of course, but you have to lock these kinds of games down in which you open up a big lead early in the game at home. Just outright embarrassing, and this division race is hardly sewn up since the Red Sox are playing at home right now.
If you lose 3 in a row to Texas like some dumb people actually suggested and Boston wins 3 in a row against Chicago, all of a sudden your “sewn up” 7 game lead is now just a “solid” 4 game lead. The race is hardly over, and you can’t go out there and do what Joba just did in the middle of August.
If you want the Yanks to develop young pitching, you’re gonna have to accept the bumps in the road that inevitably come with it.
Think Phil Hughes from last season.
Including tonight, Joba has made 23 starts (not including the 0.2 vs. Baltimore):
He has recorded an out in the 7th inning a grand total of 6 times.
He has not gotten through 5 complete innings – also 6 times.
Someone show me progress….
Joba is a mediocre pitcher who has regressed since 2007.
RalphieD & Carl, okay gotcha.
Speaking of Rebecca-
Where is she lately????
Oh thats right, Erica.. if anything Jeter got the ANTI-hype when he came up, lol.
A lot has been made tonight of 7 out of 8 Ranger runs coming with 2 outs.
Did you know that 4 of the 5 Yankee runs came with 2 outs also? Just saying.
But, I think guys were already on base when the 2nd out was record for the Yankees, no? It didn’t all start after the 2nd out?
The White Sox stink. They had 1st and 3rd nobody out with Dye and Pierzynski up and couldn’t get the run in.
I don’t mind losing to the Rangers, but if the Yankees don’t beat the White Sox this weekend they should be crucified.
“If you want the Yanks to develop young pitching, you’re gonna have to accept the bumps in the road that inevitably come with it.
Think Phil Hughes from last season.”
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BINGO
If we get bad AJ AND Joba in a playoff series… god help us…
miggs August 25th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Wow Feliz sure is something huh?
Which trade was he acquired in?
Tex when he went to ATL
Andy Pettitte’s minor league career:
19: 69.2 IP
20: 168 IP
21: 165 IP
22: 169.2 IP
Is Joba supposed to be as developed as Pettitte was at that point in his career?
Just pathetic, DB.
So maybe the Ortiz karma will work itself out in a more special way, like having the fenway faithful think they have a chance right up until the last minute, and then BLAM!
“I don’t mind losing to the Rangers, but if the Yankees don’t beat the White Sox this weekend they should be crucified.”
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Boston faced Jose Contreras and Freddy Garcia
let’s see how they do against Floyd and Danks first.
He also has given 11 “quality” starts – that’s less than 50% of the time.
And a “quality” start does not necessarily mean he was good. 6 innings pitched with 3 earned runs translates to a 4.5 ERA.
Joba simply is not good. Going into next year he is our #4 starter at best.
You can’t expect anything from the White Sox.
Whatever they give you is a bonus.
Matt,
Take some medication and relax. The only thing more embarrassing than Joba’s outing is your bridge jumping and worries about the stupid Red Sox.
Tonight is hardly a reason to worry about this team’s AL East title hopes.
In July 2007, two weeks after turning down an eight-year, $140 million contract extension from the Rangers, Teixeira was traded to the Atlanta Braves (along with left-handed reliever Ron Mahay) for catcher/first baseman Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and four prospects: shortstop Elvis Andrus, and starting pitchers Matt Harrison, Neftali Feliz and Beau Jones.
“I don’t mind losing to the Rangers, but if the Yankees don’t beat the White Sox this weekend they should be crucified.”
Depends on who’s pitching.
OK! 2 outs on 5 pitches and ANOTHER WALK!
Thank You!
Uh oh. 2 outs. Time to step away from the game for a few minutes?
“Andy Pettitte’s minor league career:
19: 69.2 IP
20: 168 IP
21: 165 IP
22: 169.2 IP
Is Joba supposed to be as developed as Pettitte was at that point in his career?”
You’re right. Joba should STILL be in the minors getting his work in.
Yay another 2 out walk. smh
“Tex when he went to ATL”
Teixeira for Feliz, Andrus, Saltalamacchia, and another guy that I think was Matt Harrison. Texas scored well there.
Nick do you do Yoga as you watch games?
Take soy latte breaks?
Phil Hughes got an injury last season. We don’t know how it would have turned out had he been healthy.
These aren’t “growing pains.” Think for a second about what you just witnessed and then tell me again that they are “growing pains.”
Growing pains are where a guy goes out there and maybe throws the wrong pitch in the wrong count a few times and gets burned but goes out there and keeps his focus and battles. Joba just goes out there and doesn’t compete, on a consistent basis.
He was lights out in 2008 as a starter, so he’s not progressing, he’s actually regressing tremendously. He never makes strides, he has a good game and then follows it up by a game in which he reverts back to the same old habits. He is stubborn, difficult to coach, and throws away all his talent by being stupid on the mound.
If a power pitcher doesn’t have the guts to challenge the 8 hitter with his power fastball with a 4 run lead, then how is he making any progress?
alright this game is over
Bay just jacked a………….curveball?
I’m not even old,but Joba,Gaudin,and Mitre will kill you.
I’m just sick of all this two-out crap. With all of them, even CC. Somebody has to change that.
Can we go the distance?
A week ago we were settling in to watch batting practice. I’m ready for a doubleheader.
This is called TOTS
Two out terror syndrome
I guess Girardi decided to mail this one in.
Gaudin is not exactly a shut em down bullpen arm.
Gotta love waiting through a day off to see a terribly pitched game.
I’m a little nervous about the Rangers in ALDS. Feldman has been excellent and their hitters are built for this ballpark also.
Not to mention they are playing with nothing to lose. I’d much rather see the Tigers/White Sox.
“Uh oh. 2 outs. Time to step away from the game for a few minutes?”
I was joking at the time.
I guess it wasn’t a joke. Why is Gaudin still in the game again?
Girardi left Joba in too long, now he leaves Gaudin in too long. Epic fail on the manager.
Time for a meeting.
2 outs, no one on base have yielded at least 7 runs.
Boston’s first 8 runs on Saturday were with 2 outs no one on.
This is a trend to watch.
so this is what we get from pitching and defense now?
a total lack of ability to shut down an inning after two outs?
This ball game is ovah!
Linebrink sucks.
5 two out walks. DISGRACEFUL performance.
But what do you expect? Gaudin is a 5th starter, he’s not dominant. When you have a 2-3 run game at a hitter’s ballpark, leaving Gaudin in is GIVING AWAY A GAME.
Boston is going to most likely win tonight. Your “insurmountable” 7 game lead is going to be down to 6. Lose another game or two and it could be down to 5 or 4. This is hardly wrapped up, you don’t GIVE AWAY A GAME, period.
You just had an off day. Everyone is available, why are you messing around with Gaudin for all these unnecessary extra innings?
Marte warming in the pen, lefties at the plate, and Gaudin left in the game. Just outright stupid.
“You’re right. Joba should STILL be in the minors getting his work in”
Basically. Only 89 minor league innings for a starter is way too little. Last year should have been spent in the minors.
Bay just put Sox on top with HR.
Except for CC, Yankee pitchers have been horrible the last couple of weeks.
Better snap out of it quickly or we will be facing another lost yr.
You guys still jonesing to play Texas in the postseason?
Uncle Ellsworth: no, right now I’m just watching and wondering why I’m not getting some dinner instead.
good night
This reminds me of Saturdays game, what’s with our pitching lately?
“Phil Hughes got an injury last season. We don’t know how it would have turned out had he been healthy.”
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even when healthy, Hughes was uncharacteristically walking too many hitters. He didn’t seem to have good fastball control. He also didn’t throw a cutter which he seemed to introduce this season.
Most people would have argued that Joba had more talent prior to this season. Opinions may have changed, but the idea that patience is required for young pitchers hasn’t.
I just hope Joba is able to learn from his mistakes (with the first step being that he realizes he’s making them).
sports fans are so knee-jerk…not every bad game is a sign of impending doom and disaster..if its a 6 game lead after this game so be it…every single one of you would of said yes if asked if you would like a 6 game division lead when you woke up on 8/26..
I thought Joe would put Marte in to face Julio.
Some bad yankee pitching going on tonight
Matt,
These are all growing pains.
Joba’s stubborness, shaking off his catcher, nibbling instead of attacking the zone – it’s all part of the developmental process for a young and inexperienced starting pitcher.
Live with it and stop complaining. This team has the best record in the major leagues in case you haven’t noticed.
This team is damn good but it is not perfect. No team is.
Chill out and have some perspective.
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 25th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Uncle Ellsworth: no, right now I’m just watching and wondering why I’m not getting some dinner instead.
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Have Mexican tonight. Can I eat a chicken burrito vicariously through you????
Memo to Pete:
Phil Hughes was nibbling just as much (or moreso) than Joba was when he was starting earlier this year. Then when he was put in the BP and given less to think about he is now attacking the zone like crazy. I would not be at all surprised that if Joba was moved back to the pen he’d be attacking the zone as well.
Reality Check,
it was a bad hanging curveball…
but I gotta give credit when it’s due. Bay hit it FAR.
Let Go-Dan finish the game to completely rest the pen.
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 25th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Uncle Ellsworth: no, right now I’m just watching and wondering why I’m not getting some dinner instead.
noticed you inserted “east coast grumpy face”
Cashman better not stand pat with this pitching staff. Other than Burnett and Sabathia, you dont know what u are getting from pettite and Chamberlain and Gaudin and mitre are not the answer. This will not work in the playoffs like this.Cashman shoulda have given Toronto Chamberlain and a couple of prospects for Halliday. This pitching staff will not hold up,not to mention Aceves has looked horrible too.
you people should be locked up
Joe I
August 25th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
I’m just sick of all this two-out crap. With all of them, even CC. Somebody has to change that.
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Billy F’ing Martin…..however – he’s dead.
“UPDATE, 9:06 p.m.: Chad Gaudin? Isn’t down two at home in the fifth inning still a winnable game?”
Clearly. That’s why he was put it. Because we aren’t satisfied until it’s NOT a winnable game.
Just a terrible job of pitching tonight.
And Pete, Joba showed confidence in his fastball as a reliever. He’d dial it up in the high 90s, and use it often. It’s as a starter, where he changes his strategy, that he doesn’t. As far as I’m concerned at this point, I’ve had enough of him as a starter. He’s hard headed and clearly not very bright. I was one of his biggest supporters, even going as far as to say he was one of my favorite players. Now, with his poor attitude, and unwillingness to learn, has pretty much convinced me he has no business being a starting pitcher. I’d love it if he proved me wrong, but right now, I don’t see it. Leave him in the 8th where he can empty the tank on three batters instead of trying to conserve and suffering for it, because he dials back his fastball, and can’t locate to save his life.
“Have Mexican tonight. Can I eat a chicken burrito vicariously through you????”
I’ll take a carne asada burrito please.
One thing I really miss from California, the Mexican food.
Joba had a 4 run lead. He continued to nibble, throwing sliders in fastball counts, walked guys at the bottom of the order, got in bad counts, melted down like he did in his last start in Seattle, and its Posada/Girardi and everybody else’s fault? Please, enough with the excuses for him.
Thank God the Yankees don’t baby him like some of you do.
We have seen this stuff all year from him.
He walks too many people, throws too many sliders, especially at 3-2, and shakes off the catchers way too much.
When he has a career equal to or better than somebody like Posada, then he can shake him off. Until then, cut the crap. Its not working.
Tonight is all on Joba. All of it.
You can’t pitch like that and expect to start in the post-season. That’s a problem for the Yankees because if CC, AJ, or Andy get hurt, this kid is starting in the ALDS and that’s a worst case scenario for the Yankees.
You can’t trust this kid to start in the post-season.
Hype is nice and everybody loves hype.
I love substance and this kid falls FAR short in the pitching substance department. He has been a disappointment for most of the season and its covered up by a great offense and good bullpen to cover the innings he can’t cover himself. Problem is, you can’t do that all the time.
101??
Erica, I was thinking Mexican before, so why not. Not sure about the chicken burrito part. Chicken enchiladas, maybe… carne asada burrito, maybe… maybe carnitas would be a good compromise.
Oh, and you can’t expect anything out of Chad Gaudin either.
Whatever you get from him is a bonus.
Could it be said that Victor Martinez quit on his Indians team?
Considering he batted like .225 and that’s pushing it in his last 2 and a half months with them.
I mean, Manny did quit on the Red Sox batting .330 in his final month with them.
The Texas gun showed that pitch at 101, I don’t believe it.
“Phil Hughes was nibbling just as much (or moreso) than Joba was when he was starting earlier this year.”
Think the difference is that Joba enjoyed a pretty high level of success by pitching far more agressively than he has this year. Granted, a good deal of that was as a reliever, but he had a nice run of half dozen or so starts last season where he went daring people to hit his stuff. We haven’t seen a great deal of that this year.
Evan D, August 25th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Let Go-Dan finish the game to completely rest the pen.
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At this point? Why not? Girardi already left both him and Joba in too long and put his team in a hole. If he waved the white flag then, why not now?
At the time, I didn’t think the Yankee 4 pitch inning in the 3rd was a big deal. In hind sight, it seems that’s when the offense decided to pack it in. They haven’t looked good since (with a few exceptions).
Dutch Hugo,
Maybe you should watch some baseball once in awhile.
Cliff Lee doesn’t throw a fastball harder than 92 MPH and he’s damn near unhittable when he’s on.
Roy Halladay was the best pitcher in baseball until his recent struggles and he doesn’t throw harder than 93 MPH.
It’s not about velocity. It’s about location, command, and pounding the zone.
New post has been started as this game seems like it’s going to go a while longer.
Cone calling Feliz fastball “natural gas”.
Love it.
“You’re right. Joba should STILL be in the minors getting his work in.”
works for me… check the yankees record when joba pitches and tell me who is available that could have given he yankees a chance to win all those games?
Did you ever see Hughes go out there and just completely give it away like Joba does? Hughes battled, he at least tried. Joba goes out there and when things don’t go his way, he just throws 20 sliders in a row and lets himself fall apart and doesn’t even try to compete.
Nobody with a clue suggested that Hughes was terrible and not a real prospect after what happened last year. In fact, Hughes was always considered the better prospect than Joba. Short term memory much?
Hughes was off to a decent start last year until he had a rib injury that derailed his season. In his 2nd career start, he no hit a solid Texas lineup for 6 2/3 innings, it’s been the injuries and not the ability. Last year he threw an incredible game at the end against Toronto as he got healthy again.
Joba has a serious attitude problem. It’s not growing pains, it’s a serious issue with a kid who doesn’t respect his catcher and doesn’t respect his coaching staff to the level that will be necessary for future development. Notice that guys aren’t going out there and defending these performances, they are as frustrated as we are. That tells you everything you need to know about what the team thinks of him.
Joba is in the rotation because they had no other options. If they had Chien-Ming Wang healthy right now and Hughes to start, Joba most likely would have been demoted to AAA to teach him a lesson, but they can’t. He is an important piece of this team, and he has to go out there and step up and compete, rather than sulk on the mound and whine.
Uncle Ellsworth: you can take the boy out of the east coast, but you can’t always take the east coast grumpy out of the boy.
My step-mom teaches yoga, but not to me.
Donnie – Will Meet Jim Rice Under the O’Neill Banner
August 25th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
“UPDATE, 9:06 p.m.: Chad Gaudin? Isn’t down two at home in the fifth inning still a winnable game?”
Clearly. That’s why he was put it. Because we aren’t satisfied until it’s NOT a winnable game.
Just a terrible job of pitching tonight.
And Pete, Joba showed confidence in his fastball as a reliever. He’d dial it up in the high 90s, and use it often. It’s as a starter, where he changes his strategy, that he doesn’t. As far as I’m concerned at this point, I’ve had enough of him as a starter. He’s hard headed and clearly not very bright. I was one of his biggest supporters, even going as far as to say he was one of my favorite players. Now, with his poor attitude, and unwillingness to learn, has pretty much convinced me he has no business being a starting pitcher. I’d love it if he proved me wrong, but right now, I don’t see it. Leave him in the 8th where he can empty the tank on three batters instead of trying to conserve and suffering for it, because he dials back his fastball, and can’t locate to save his life.
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Absolutely, Donnie – absolutely !!!
Maybe Joba’s teammates should jump on him after the game the way the Rangers jumped on his pitches in the fourth inning – just kidding. But unless the Yankees have one of their patented come-from-behind wins, this particular loss will be all on Joba. Not the offense. Five runs should be enough to keep the game close for the Yanks, if not win it. Not the end of the world by any means, but definitely not what this team was expecting after spotting their starter a four run cushion.
SJ,
Joba is going to get a start in the postseason. Make no mistake about it.
There’s nobody else unless Roy Halladay gets traded to the Yanks before Sept 1st.
Matsui cursed…in English
“You just had an off day. Everyone is available, why are you messing around with Gaudin for all these unnecessary extra innings? Marte warming in the pen, lefties at the plate, and Gaudin left in the game. Just outright stupid.”
I don’t care how many games up we are, we win despite Clueless Girardi. I want to know who the decision maker is on this Joba mess. What’s the right answer on innings? Did the Yankee brass consult with a doctor? Its a big joke.
And those loser ChiSox can’t get out of their own way in Boston but will come here and win 2 games.
Matt August 25th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Did you ever see Hughes go out there and just completely give it away like Joba does? Hughes battled, he at least tried. Joba goes out there and when things don’t go his way, he just throws 20 sliders in a row and lets himself fall apart and doesn’t even try to compete.
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Yeah, Matt.
That’s why Damon infamously called out Hughes to the media and told him he had to toughen up this past May.
I guess you haven’t watched these young kids very closely because you’re dead wrong.
“Neftali Feliz= ‘02 K-Rod”
Try 07′ Joba
And for all of you who cite Phil Hughes “nibbling” last year to give Joba a pass.
Phil Hughes had a BROKEN RIB. Don’t you think that might affect his control, or his fastball velocity..?
He hid it from the team, and who knows how long he hid it from them. He was outstanding his first start or two of the year, challenging hitters and getting guys out, and then he couldn’t. Maybe he was hurt longer than you think?
Velocity has nothing to do with it. Its all stubborness.
Since he can’t throw 98 anymore, if that’s the resaon why he won’t throw fastballs then he might as well go home.
His slider is no longer good enough to get him by. Its all about fastball command. He can win throwing 92-94.
He can’t win continuing to pitch the way he is pitching.
Enough of the silly excuses with him.
Hopefully, Andy, CC and AJ stay healthy. That’s what matters.
Joba and his nonsense matters less and less because getting ready for the post-season is more important than all of the BS surrounding Joba.
That was strike 3
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twice lol
Read Matt’s take above – excellent & accurate; …..like him or not !
After tonights game, a 6 game lead over the Red Sox, best record in the majors, I’ll take that.
However, the pitching problems for the Yankees are a concern no matter how you spin it.
Dutch Hugo,
Joba was outstanding for three starts after the ASB and he wasn’t throwing 98 MPH.
So you would be wrong. Again.
What he was doing effectively was getting into a better rhythm and pounding the zone with much more regularity.
That’s how he can turn things around. It’s not throwing 98 MPH.
So apparently you haven’t picked up much over the years of watching baseball.
Going through Joba’s game logs….this 4 game stretch is about the worst he has been. For both years.
He’s at 130 innings now. I think he’s just gassed. Unfortunately he’s had 8 days and is still looking pretty bad.
He’s getting the ball again on Sunday most likely against Freddy Garcia. Let’s hope it’s a nice cool day because I can see Joba melting in the midday sun.
Could someone please reminder me, is Joba the ace of the staff or a 23 year old rookie rushed th minors.
And has Joba pitched the most innings this year minor or in the bigs.
If he’s a #4 next year I’ll take it: CC,AJ,Andy,Joba and Phil or Wang. Not bad…
Marte is our Wagner!
Maybe Wagner lit a fire under papelbums butt, that was the best he has looked all year, explosive fastball, not a good sign….
Joba is young,but it’s not a good excuse for loss and terrible performance.
Cash and Giradi need to take the responsibity for the plan bring the team harm.
Robby is too cool to sprint to first it seems………..
I just wanted to take a break from Guitar Hero to say hello. Sorry for not running that out, I have a new high score going.
Hughes will be a better starter than Joba, “I made good pitches, they got lucky with bloop hits.” He is a hard head.
CANO COMES THROUGH!!!!!!!!!!
It really doesn’t upset me that they lost. The fight that this team shows is out of this world. It’s funny the Yankees score 9 runs and it still isn’t enough for Joba the bum.
Can I know what the hell girardi told swisher to bunt doesn’t he have 22 home runs & like 70 RBI’s I guess it turned out he won’t have him bunt anymore in those situations
Velocity affects not only the fastball, but breaking pitches as well. We are seeing that with Joba. Mentally, he is 96-98 FB pitcher. He expects to get ahead then throw a slider for the out. Now that his FB is 91-92, he can’t get ahead of hitters, and his slider has lost much of its late break. What happened to the velocity ? Is he wearing down from his heavier workload ? Is it a conditioning issue ? Either the team has to help him find a way to regain the velocity or teach how to pitch differently. I recall 2 young pitchers named Ron Guidry and Dave Righetti- both came up to the Bronx and showed promise (Rags was a contenter for ROY), but both had to be sent back to the minors to refine their approach. Maybe a trip to the minors is what Joba needs to shake things up.
I don’t think it’s the workload. His velocity dropped from the very first start last year. He wasn’t throwing 97, 98, 99, 100 anymore, he was throwing 91, 92, 93, 94. From everything i’ve read, it seems that he’s trying to pace himself. But with what little has been reported on this, that’s just guesswork at this point. What’s baffling to me is why someone like Pete doesn’t ask about the drop in his velocity. After all, if Pete is so worried about a drop of 1 mph in Santana’s fastball over 2 seasons, why is he not concerned over a 6 mph drop in Chamberlain’s? Especially when Santana is an experienced pitcher, with an arsenal of pitches, who has proved he knows how to pitch, not just throw, and Joba, a much younger, less experienced guy, has not? Joba had all his success blowing guys away with 98-100 mph heat, getting ahead of them with the blazing fastball and then putting them away with a great slider. He didn’t have to be fine. Take 6 mph away from your fastball though, and suddenly it’s just average, and now you’re going to be hit, and you’re going to have to have more command and hit your spots more. That’s not the type of pitcher Joba is at this point in his career.
Lol diud you guys see that guy snag Thome’s bat from that little kid?!?!
Total Costanza move!