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Where The Captain stands

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 25, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter on the Yankee career lists:

Games
1. Mantle 2,401
2. Gehrig 2,164
3. Berra 1,116
4. Jeter 2,103

At-Bats
1. Jeter 8,525
2. Mantle 8,102

Runs
1. Ruth 1,959
2. Gehrig 1,888
3. Mantle 1,677
4. Jeter 1,553

Hits
1. Gehrig 2,721
2. Jeter 2,701

Doubles
1. Gehrig 534
2. Williams 449
3. Mattingly 442
4. Jeter 433

Triples
17. Cree, Rizzuto 62
19. Conroy 59
20. Jeter, Randolph 58

Home Runs
7. Nettles 250
8. Posada 236
9. Rodriguez 230
10. Jeter, Mattingly 222

Walks
5. Randolph 1,005
6. White 934
7. Jeter 861

Strikeouts
1. Mantle 1,710
2. Jeter 1,441

Stolen bases
1. Henderson 326
2. Jeter 296

Batting average
1. Ruth .349
2. Gehrig .340
3. Combs .325
4. DiMaggio .325
5. Jeter .317

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632 Responses to “Where The Captain stands”

  1. Past a diving Jeter August 25th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    clearly overrated

  2. SJ44 August 25th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    He’s too selfish for my tastes. Should be more like Jim Rice, known as the “consummate team player” (sarcasm alert).

  3. Tint August 25th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    I hear this Derek guy is a pretty promising player

  4. m August 25th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Can’t stand the guy…

  5. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus August 25th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    No Yankee has ever had 3,000 hits?

    Not something I’d expect!

  6. S.A.--Relax, Relate, Release August 25th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Who dis Derek person you speak of?

  7. Tunnel Man August 25th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    so he’s a great player, his Avon cologne (Driven) still sucks.

  8. Richie August 25th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    To me, the hit total is the most impressive.

  9. Richie August 25th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus

    No Yankee has ever had 3,000 hits?
    Not something I’d expect!
    __

    The longevity thing.

  10. Frank from Chatham August 25th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    No kid should ever emulate Jeter …. ever!

  11. Steve August 25th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    @ Rebecca… Well at this rate, Jeter is averaging 194 hits/season (not including 95 or 09).

    If he stays relatively healthy next season, and signs for at lesat another year or two, he’ll hit 3000, easily.

  12. pat August 25th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    With Jeter’s consistency and longevity, he will likely hit top 3 on the lists with the exception of triples, HR and BB.

    Free agency keeps many records safer than they used to be.

  13. Jim Rice's Bad Role Models August 25th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    300 more strikeouts!

  14. B.E. Earl August 25th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    A little surprised about the strikeout numbers.

  15. William Buckner August 25th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    It seems like Jeter’s career is starting to be put into proper prospective. Especially nationally.

    ESPN and Fox made several observations regarding his stats this weekend.

    He and Mariano will be impossible to replace.

    Remember when people would argue Jeter the fourth best SS in AL.

  16. pat August 25th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Olney says no surgery for Johan.

  17. Rob L. August 25th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Can somebody send those numbers to Jim Rice and tell him to get off his high horse.

  18. Richie August 25th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    William Buckner

    Remember when people would argue Jeter the fourth best SS in AL.
    __

    He was second best behind A-Rod until A-Rod came here. Nomar and Tejada were never better.

  19. CountryClub August 25th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    I like that he’s going to break the hit mark in less games…although many more AB’s.

  20. eric August 25th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    the fact that ruth hit .349 will never cease to amaze me.

  21. m August 25th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    pat,

    Thanks for that. Was hoping that would be the case. Surely they’ll shut him down, no? They’re only playing for some semblance of pride.

  22. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    This is the best – sports and Golden Girls, does it get any better? Joe and Evan have Rue McClanahan on the show now……I hope Thomas Jones is listening, lol

  23. Zach in Port Jeff August 25th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    I can’t stand Jeter’s dreadlocks.

  24. upstate kate August 25th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    It was nice to hear the Jeter-lovin on Sunday Night baseball. That made it tolerable to listen to.

    Has anyone seen “Sugar”? Looks like it would be interesting.

  25. Zeke August 25th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Amazing

  26. Robbykid August 25th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Jeter best all-around Yankee ever??

  27. Riddering August 25th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    I was aware of a whole lot of these numbers but seeing them altogether is…mind-blowing! I’ve been so lucky to have a player like Jeter in my generation and on my team.

    (Is anyone else amused at the stolen base record? That always cracks me up!)

  28. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Those stats are phenomenal and Jeter is in such great shape. I can see him playing for several more years and being extremely productive. He’s inching himself up on the all-time great SS list – I have no idea where he ranks now. Is Jete better than Ripken?

  29. bartap74 August 25th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    The total at bats is quite telling, particularly when it comes to the counting numbers. A great SS? No doubt. Best all-around Yankee? I’m not sure he makes the top 10.

  30. Pel August 25th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    >I’m not sure he makes the top 10.

    What’s your top 10?

  31. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Jeter’s not the greatest Yankee, but I think you can argue that he’s one of the best at making the most of what he’s got.

    Difficult to compare eras, too. Can it not be argued that Jeter plays in an era of better pitching and defense?

  32. CountryClub August 25th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Besty,

    ESPN.com and SI.com both had articles last week about Jeter’s current place in the best SS arguement. They both had him in the top 5 (Neyer of ESPN had him at 3) and they both had him in front of Cal.

  33. Bill August 25th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Robbykid: “Jeter best all-around Yankee ever?”

    No, Babe Ruth is. Even if there were some value in being an “all-around player” rather than just the best hitter ever, Ruth could also pitch.

    This list is pretty solid: http://jonahkeri.com/2009/08/2.....e-yankees/

  34. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    I’m not sure if it helps his case or not, but those are at-bats, not plate appearances right? Doesn’t include walks and HBP (quite a few :evil: )

    Betsy,

    I asked if you were listening during Sunday’s game because Suzyn Waldman was going ballistic about AJ. She was getting a little emotional. Here’s a funny article about it.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ff_aj.html

  35. CountryClub August 25th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Of course, just because ESPN and SI say so, doesnt make it true. We rip those sites when they say negative things…so we cant take it as gospel when they have something good to say.

  36. Patrick from CT August 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Jeter will go down as the best all around short stop of all time. He is a top 5 Yankee and a 1st ballot HOF’er.

  37. Tom B August 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    pete you messed up yogi’s games played

  38. Bill August 25th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    I’ll always rate A-Rod above Jeter at SS because had the Yankees had the guts to move Jeter off of the position as they should have, A-Rod would be closing in on best-SS-ever status right now. I think it goes Wagner, A-Rod, Vaughan, then maybe Jetes.

  39. Richie August 25th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    m

    Jeter’s not the greatest Yankee, but I think you can argue that he’s one of the best at making the most of what he’s got.
    __

    More so than Clay Bellinger? I think not.

  40. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Well, it is rare to hear such talk about an active player’s place in history as much as you hear about Derek’s.

  41. Tunnel Man August 25th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    # Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus August 25th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    No Yankee has ever had 3,000 hits?

    Not something I’d expect!
    ==========================================

    How ’bout Dave Winfield.

    Post Free Agency, most of the players in the 3,000 hit club played for multiple teams, Ricky Henderson being the best example. Most people think of Henderson as an Oakland Athletic, but he only played 12 full seasons with Oakland – 12 out of 25.

    The plurality of Winfield’s career occurred with the Yankees — 8 full seasons with New York vs 7 full seasons with San Diego.

  42. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Prospect Alert:

    Cotham debut in GCL in progress: 5K, 2H thus far.

    !!!

  43. haiku-man August 25th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    When Cashman draws up Jeters new contract,can’t you see all of the possible incentives that could be in there for Jeter,to yield as much as Arod? He’s close on so many of the stats.

    Go Captain,this just guy oozes genuine Yankee!

  44. Mark in Tampa August 25th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    My top ten, for what it’s worth(pitchers not included)

    1- Ruth
    2- DiMaggio
    3- Gehrig
    4- Mantle
    5/6-Yogi/Jeter. or Jeter/Yogi
    7- Bernie
    8- Bill Dickey
    9- Tony Lazzeri
    10- Earle Combs

    Caveat-If the Yanks win the WS this year, with Arod doing what we know he can do, he would become no. 8.

  45. pat August 25th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    “How ’bout Dave Winfield.”

    3000 hits as a Yankee.

  46. haiku-man August 25th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Meant This guy just oozes….

  47. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Bill
    August 25th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
    Robbykid: “Jeter best all-around Yankee ever?”
    No, Babe Ruth is. Even if there were some value in being an “all-around player” rather than just the best hitter ever, Ruth could also pitch.
    =======

    And run…and field…

    http://newsgroups.derkeiler.co.....00314.html

  48. S.A.--Relax, Relate, Release August 25th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    FYI: Girardi 5pm today on with Francesa

  49. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Hard to believe Ruth was smaller than CC. He just seems larger than life I guess.

  50. Rex August 25th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    “He’s too selfish for my tastes. Should be more like Jim Rice, known as the “consummate team player” (sarcasm alert).”

    Speaking of Rice, as of now, he and Jeter have about the same amount of career at bats. Was surprised to see that their respective strikeout rates are near identical. Was STUNNED to see Rice has 21 more triples. Triples! You believe that shyte?

  51. Richie August 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Babe Ruth was on a different planet than every other player who played the game.

  52. Rex August 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    “Hard to believe Ruth was smaller than CC.”

    Hard to believe anything is smaller than CC

  53. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    How is it possible that Mantle played in so many more games, but Jeter had so many more at bats??

    I know Jeter was lead off, but I can’t imagine that accounts for so many more ABs

  54. marcus August 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Wow, just wow.

  55. Mahoney August 25th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Alright, we’ve heard all about Jeter’s wonderful “intangibles”, but can you back those up with actual stats?

  56. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Erica,

    Try comparing their plate appearances, that might tell the whole story.

  57. Tom in N.J. August 25th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Ruth: Pitcher or OF’er would have made people in todays media lose their minds.

  58. baseballfab August 25th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    http://twitter.com/lenno212

    wagner to sox

  59. Bronx Jeers August 25th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Derek and Gehrig are having very similar careers “hit” wise.

    Both reach 2,700 in their 14th full season and at age 35.

    Even their birthdays are close. June 10 vs. June 26

  60. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    “He had the most
    perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew.”

    That sentence gave me chills.

  61. Bill August 25th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    “How is it possible that Mantle played in so many more games, but Jeter had so many more at bats??”

    Mantle walked a TON. Jeter doesn’t. Which is why hit totals don’t really mean all that much (other than you usually have to be a pretty good player to hang around long enough to rack ‘em up).

  62. Mark in Tampa August 25th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Jeter is about 225 PA behind Mantle, which still doesn’t match up with playing 300 less games. Maybe the Mick had a lot of games played with just a pinch hit appearance?

  63. L to the 2nd August 25th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Wow, what a selfish compiler :)

  64. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    m
    August 25th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
    Erica,

    Try comparing their plate appearances, that might tell the whole story.

    ****

    MM had abount 900 more walks than Jeter which doesn’t count as an official AB. (The Mick had 1,733 walks). That explains it. Thanks!

  65. zmaster August 25th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    jeter after all is said & done should have 75pct of all yankee records

  66. Tom in N.J. August 25th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Mantle: 9909 P.A.’s

    Jeter: 9647 P.A.’s

  67. Rex August 25th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Mantle had well over 1700 walks over the course of his illustrious career.

  68. Bill August 25th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    I bet Mantle was pulled out of a lot of games early to save his knees. Also, each spot you move down the batting order you can expect to get a certain number of PA fewer than you would in the spot above…I think it’s about 30 per spot. So Jeter batting an average of say 1.5 in the order and Mantle 3.5 (or did he only bat #3? I don’t know) = about 60 extra PA a year.

  69. Tunnel Man August 25th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Erica – always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    How is it possible that Mantle played in so many more games, but Jeter had so many more at bats??

    I know Jeter was lead off, but I can’t imagine that accounts for so many more ABs
    ==============================================

    Walks

    Mickey was walked 1,733 times. Derek has been walked 861 times.

  70. NYY in BTR August 25th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Incredible numbers.
    The Yankees would not be what they are today without Mr. Jeter.

  71. Five Iron From Fenway August 25th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Bod – Cotham pitched two innings with the numbers you mention in your post.
    Again, the me the draft/slotting thing is a disaster. Heathcott, Murphy, Cotham and a few of the other deadline day signings should have been playing for the better part of two months. It really wastes a year of development.

  72. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    …and even Ruth made mistakes…

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/a.....838B639EDE

  73. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Wow. baseballfab is right. Lots of news on mlbtr

  74. Bill August 25th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    bod- that’s nothing compared to the time he ended the world series with a caught stealing. Yeah, Babe made a few mistakes.

  75. Nick August 25th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Olney reports Wagner will go to Sox.

  76. baseballfab August 25th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    M, would I write it if I wasn’t correct?
    :)

  77. Tom in N.J. August 25th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    “The petted Babe of the New York Yankees appeared today in the role of enfant terrible”

    Love that writing style…

  78. haiku-man August 25th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Talk about eating your own,RS still smarting about Beckett’s failure to beat the Yankees. In an article called,Has anyone see Josh Beckett’s uncle Charlie(he helped him learn the curve ball)Josh is being trashed,even in the comment section.

    http://www.nesn.com

  79. Jim Rice's Bad Role Models August 25th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    wow now that is some great baseball writing. now all we get is some processed espn crapoola.

  80. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    12:26pm: Heyman reports via Twitter that Wagner is “on the verge” of accepting a deal to the Red Sox. He has four minutes to decide.

    WTH?

    baseballfab,

    I thought it was dead in the water, and there’s been a rash of fake tweets. Sorry. :blush:

  81. Rex August 25th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    “the fact that ruth hit .349 will never cease to amaze me”

    It was .342 actually. How about a career OBP of .474???

  82. Sony August 25th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Unbelievable. If he plays at even a reasonably high level for four or five more years, he’ll hold every one of these records (yeah, even strikeouts) except batting average.

  83. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    :oops:

  84. Mark in Tampa August 25th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Jeter-9647 total plate appearances, 2103 games played. He averages 4.59 PA/Game

    Mantle-9871 TPA, 2401 Games. 4.11 PA per game.

    I think it is a combination of leadoff or second versus batting 4th, the Mick being pulled early and having 1 AB pinch hit games late in his career; and even though the Yankee offense was great in Mantle’s day, these current teams and their emphasis on walking more as a team may get the top of the lineup hitters an extra .2 ABs or so per game.

  85. Andrew August 25th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    How many NL reclamation project pitchers can the Red Sox have on their team in one season? Wagner, Smoltz, Saito, Penny…I feel confident about predicting where Livan Hernandez will sign.

  86. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Five Iron,

    Yes, it’s regrettable. But I’m psyched Cotham’s road to the Bronx has officially begun.

    BTW, I tried to post something to you about another site with great prospect info and my post was bounced. I guess only the links featured here are acceptable.

    Oh, well. Odds are you’re into the same sites I am, any way. People with more than a passing interest in the system guys – we find our way, don’t we?

    Are you member of pp? That ought to get through, lol.

  87. vtred August 25th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Smart move by Wagner. This may be his only chance to win a title. Next year, he’ll probably be collecting meaningless saves in Baltimore or something.

  88. baseballfab August 25th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    It’s all good M, I just kept my tweeter on, no sources, just the good ole internet.

  89. Fran (the original) August 25th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Bodhisattva,

    Thanks for that link earlier today.I believe that.

  90. Five Iron From Fenway August 25th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Bod – I am a member. They have a lot of great info.
    I am simply named as Jason there. I had to change my moniker here to get noticed!!

  91. bru August 25th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    i wonder if the rs have to give up any prospects for wagner

  92. Five Iron From Fenway August 25th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Murphy with his first professional HR!

  93. 4time August 25th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    From the looks of it, it seems like the Mets were begging him to accept the trade… seems kind of odd. They wanted him off their hands that badly when they could have gotten 2 draft picks for him?

  94. Rex August 25th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    “i wonder if the rs have to give up any prospects for wagner”

    Depends on whether Boston relents the arbitration piece I would guess.

  95. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    baseballfab,

    lol. We’ve come a long way since the days of town criers, ham radios, CBs, and police scanners, huh?

    I just tune into LoHud for my baseball news, thanks for that.

  96. Wagner to Boston! August 25th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    You can bash the ball all you want. What wins titles is pitching and Boston just sealed up the best pitching staff in MLB with the addition of Wagner!

    No one’s scared of CC, AJ and Andy, nor that bullpen…..no one!

    How many runs did you score on Saturday????? Where were the bashers?

  97. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Tom in N.J.
    August 25th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
    “The petted Babe of the New York Yankees appeared today in the role of enfant terrible”
    Love that writing style…
    =====

    I was thinking the same thing, Tom.

    Nowadays, if someone used that language, it would come off hackneyed and overwrought. But back in the day, that was still an organic, alive use of the words. There’s also a lost art of descriptive powers about the game that you see in those old stories. Today’s reporters have lost their voice to describe what the eye of the fan delights in.

    My father’s recall of the old days is always so much more poetic than anything the modern day, soul-less columnist musings can deliver.

    The kind of storytelling my father engages me with transports me there – because he is there as he tells it. Some of the old writers had the gift.

  98. baseballfab August 25th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    A major league source told the Globe’s Nick Cafardo that the Red Sox and Mets are on the verge of completing a trade that would send two mid-range minor leaguers to New York and land reliever Billy Wagner in Boston. A source told Tony Massarotti that the Red Sox will not pick up Wagner’s $8 million option for 2010 but will retain the right to offer Wagner arbitration, meaning they would get two compensatory draft picks.

  99. jennifer August 25th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Wagner agreed to go to the soxs. Not too worried about this, he is just coming of TJ surgery. I guess Paplebutt will now have to kiss and make up with Billy.

  100. Mark in Tampa August 25th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    “In an article called,Has anyone see Josh Beckett’s uncle Charlie(he helped him learn the curve ball)”

    Haiku-man,

    I don’t know if Beckett has an actual Uncle Charlie, but I think the headline was referring to the old-time name for the curveball. As in-”He got me with the old uncle charlie”. Or as Dwight Gooden’s great early-career curveball was called-the Lord Charles.

  101. jennifer August 25th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    When does school start?

  102. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Think about it, the mets were going to have to eat $1.5m to pay him to go away anyway.

    I’m sure that Wagner will get his wishes AND a nice bonus to waive the NTC.

    Perhaps no prospects?

  103. baseballfab August 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    wooops the source sorry

    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds…as/extra_bases/

    A major league source told the Globe’s Nick Cafardo that the Red Sox and Mets are on the verge of completing a trade that would send two mid-range minor leaguers to New York and land reliever Billy Wagner in Boston. A source told Tony Massarotti that the Red Sox will not pick up Wagner’s $8 million option for 2010 but will retain the right to offer Wagner arbitration, meaning they would get two compensatory draft picks.

  104. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Getting ready to buy the Marky Mark MVP MIXTAPE Vol.1 August 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Johnny Bench Jr. aka JR Murphy’s Law went yard in GCL.LOL

  105. Rex August 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    “I don’t know if Beckett has an actual Uncle Charlie”

    He does. He just didn’t have it on Sunday.

  106. bru August 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    wagner to the rs

  107. Vincent August 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Yeah but if he did it in Kansas City he wouldn’t be anywhere near the top of any of those stats.

  108. bru August 25th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    for 2 prospects

  109. William Buckner August 25th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    “You can bash the ball all you want. What wins titles is pitching and Boston just sealed up the best pitching staff in MLB with the addition of Wagner!

    No one’s scared of CC, AJ and Andy, nor that bullpen…..no one!

    How many runs did you score on Saturday????? Where were the bashers?”

    Sealed up best staff with Wagner? I thought we did that with Mitre.

  110. hardwired7 August 25th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    the 2009 Boston Red Sox

    out with the old
    in with the old

  111. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Uh, the bashers were recovering from Friday, and resting up for Sunday? Dude, you lost yet another game in the standings. Get off the pipe.

  112. miggs August 25th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Uh oh !!!

    Time to fret and worry.

    Sox got Wagner. The AL pennant was just about clinched folks.

  113. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Fran (the original)
    August 25th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
    Bodhisattva,
    Thanks for that link earlier today.I believe that.
    ====

    :D

  114. Tunnel Man August 25th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    4time August 25th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    From the looks of it, it seems like the Mets were begging him to accept the trade… seems kind of odd. They wanted him off their hands that badly when they could have gotten 2 draft picks for him?
    ——————————–

    Mets save $3.5 million by trading him. Why waste the dough when they’re out of it.

    Plus, the Wilpons lost a lot of money to Madoff.

  115. JasonR August 25th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    “You can bash the ball all you want. What wins titles is pitching and Boston just sealed up the best pitching staff in MLB with the addition of Wagner!”

    Good luck with your new 38 year old pitcher who just came off of Tommy John surgery and can only pitch once every three days.

  116. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    miggs
    August 25th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
    Uh oh !!!
    Time to fret and worry.
    Sox got Wagner. The AL pennant was just about clinched folks.
    ========

    You’re joking, but I can confidently say that there are many people on at least two other sites that will be chiding Cashman for sleeping on Wagner. And they will be dead serious, and the sane people on those sites will be dragged into yet another episode of talking the silly people away from the ledge.

  117. Tunnel Man August 25th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Buster olney reports that Theo has dug up Cy Young and is currently soaking him in HGH at MIT.

  118. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    I don’t get the move by Boston.

    They’re going to pay the rest of Wagner’s salary and give up two prospects for a month, maybe two, of baseball?

    I thought they had the best bullpen in all of baseball?

  119. bru August 25th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    if becket does not get straightened out the rs are done.

    buch is not looking to good at 25 yrs old either

  120. miggs August 25th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Bodhi,

    You understand where I’m coming from.

    Are there really other boards where this move is being analyzed as Cashman dropping the ball?

    Does this move really improve the Sox? It won’t help them hit away from the green crap box and it won’t improve their rotation.

    Gives them another lefty out of the pen. Not something to be concerned about IMO.

  121. Bronx Jeers August 25th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    So Take Jeters career hits but take away 500 singles and turn them into:

    270 extra home runs
    110 extra triples
    100 extra doubles.

    Then,

    Strikeout 700 times less and walk 700 times more.

    If you can imagine that then you you can imagine watching Gehrig’s offensive career.

  122. Mark-Cant Touch This August 25th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Tampa missed the boat on Wagner, they could of really used him in their bullpen he is worth a shot.

  123. SJ44 August 25th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    LOL@ Red Sox trolls.

    They may honestly be the dumbest people on the planet.

    Yes, its a move that seals the pennant for the Red Sox.

    Its amazing they have fans that stupid.

  124. miggs August 25th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Plus, the Yankees didn’t even have a chance to get him.

    Waiver priority rules ring a bell?

    Sounds like fans on those boards are simply uninformed.

  125. Christina- Pics of my visit to the Louisville Slugger Museum August 25th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Has Wagner pitched yet for the Mets this year?

  126. SJ44 August 25th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Its pretty tough to take a guy owed 3.5 million, 11 months out of TJ Surgery, who can’t pitch for more than once every 3 days, and justify it if you are a small market team like the Rays.

    Too much money for too little production.

    You are talking about a guy that may pitch 10 innings the rest of the way.

    Not a lot of teams are looking to pay 350,000 per inning for someone still not 100% recovered from TJ Surgery.

    The Red Sox doing it speaks more of their desperation to get the Wild Card than it does smart baseball acumen.

  127. RS August 25th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Darn it. I’m going to miss watching Wagner blow all those saves with the Mets. His postgame bashing of teammates was pretty entertaining as well.

  128. Todd August 25th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Maybe Theo would make a great used car salesman….he specializes in retreads…

  129. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Who were the prospects given up by Boston? Anyone of note?

  130. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    miggs,

    Look how far Wagner fell. Lots of playoff teams above Boston, yet Wagner fell to the 3rd to the last team.

  131. bru August 25th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    pap & wagner together.

    i hope wagner pops pap in the mouth

  132. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Five Iron From Fenway
    August 25th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
    Bod – I am a member. They have a lot of great info.
    I am simply named as Jason there. I had to change my moniker here to get noticed!!
    =====

    Lol. I’m a streak poster here. I go on pp for info.

    Just read earlier about that Jeffrey Farnham kid who is supposedly defying relegation to “filler” category. Another catcher with avg, ops and ability to throw guys out, if the small sample size bears out.

    Ho-hum ;)

  133. Christina- Pics of my visit to the Louisville Slugger Museum August 25th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Erica, they were two PTBNL

  134. Andrew August 25th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    The Boston media is probably thrilled, they now have a new guy to go to when in search of random off-hand quotes that rip their own team, players on other teams, etc.

  135. William Buckner August 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Theo,

    I thought cash for clunkers was over…

  136. jennifer August 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    RS August 25th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Darn it. I’m going to miss watching Wagner blow all those saves with the Mets. His postgame bashing of teammates was pretty entertaining as well.
    ********

    well now you can watch him blow it for the soxs.

    For the person who asked if Wagner has pitched yet. Twice, supposedly he threw the ball pretty well. But I wouldn’t get to scared about it. He isn’t even a year out from surgery.

  137. NYYROC August 25th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    I agree that Wagner to Sox isn’t a big deal for NYY fans. How could C-Money have “dropped the ball” on this one, as some suggest? The Sox had first crack at Wagner before the NYY did due to waiver rules. Nothing Cash could’ve done.

  138. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Olney now saying no prospects (and why should they?).

    Has anyone waken up Gammons from his nap, or is he busy writing his introduction for Wagners’ HOF induction.

  139. RS August 25th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Didn’t Papelbon and Wagner take turns blowing the lead in the ’08 ASG at Yankee Stadium?

  140. m August 25th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    oops,that’s no “top” prospects.

  141. bru August 25th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    yes wagner has pitched for the mets.

    threw hard to get noticed.

    the rs figure get the wc & take their chances

  142. SJ44 August 25th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Never has so much been made out of a waiver transaction.

  143. Rex August 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    “The Red Sox doing it speaks more of their desperation to get the Wild Card than it does smart baseball acumen.”

    Depends on how the arbitration thing works out. If they get 10 good innings and 2 Top 60 picks, they’ve made out OK.

  144. Nome August 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Melancon will outperform Wagner this September.

  145. RS August 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    The Mets must be desperate to save cash. Otherwise, wouldn’t it have made better sense to keep him and take the draft picks next season?

    Unless they’re afraid Wagner won’t hold up and will lower his value this offseason.

  146. Nick August 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    miggs – Don’t worry, that one “panic” post will be here shortly.

  147. Bronx Jeers August 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    I just don’t understand the Sox and their moves this year.

    I really want to hear who is going to come out and say this is a smart move.

  148. Russell NY August 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    I pissed off some Red Sox fans on the MLBTradeRumors Wagner thread. Uh oh!

  149. henner August 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    August 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
    How is it possible that Mantle played in so many more games, but Jeter had so many more at bats??

    I know Jeter was lead off, but I can’t imagine that accounts for so many more ABs

    ************************

    Base on balls

  150. john August 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    and the cash for clunkers continues in B-Town.

  151. Bronx Jeers August 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    William Buckner August 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Theo,

    I thought cash for clunkers was over…

    ———————————————-

    :lol:

  152. Mark-Cant Touch This August 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    m August 25th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    oops,that’s no “top” prospects.
    __

    That means the Soxs gave up very good future Players, but no future HOF

  153. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    miggs
    August 25th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
    Bodhi,
    You understand where I’m coming from.
    Are there really other boards where this move is being analyzed as Cashman dropping the ball?
    Does this move really improve the Sox? It won’t help them hit away from the green crap box and it won’t improve their rotation.
    Gives them another lefty out of the pen. Not something to be concerned about IMO.
    =======

    I am anticipating, lol.

    But one guy made me laugh WITH him.

    His comment: “Can’t wait to see his flat FB in the eighth.”

  154. Tunnel Man August 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Bronx Jeers August 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    I just don’t understand the Sox and their moves this year.

    I really want to hear who is going to come out and say this is a smart move.
    ========================================================

    Steve Phillips. He already said so during Sunday night’s telecast, saying, Wagner will allow them to move Papelbom in the offseason.

    He really said that.

  155. RS August 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    “I really want to hear who is going to come out and say this is a smart move.”

    The same people who thought Eric Gagne was the best pick-up of the year.

  156. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    It’s time for another thrilling round of “Guess the Line Up”

    Please post your line ups to me here (or any new threads) until 3:30. Please make sure your line ups are complete and accurate before submitting. Absolutely no revisions allowed. If you post a line up with two catchers you will be disqualified.

    After today only 4 rounds of “Guess the Line Up” remain in this season. Please try to channel your inner Joe Girardi so that you can move up the standings and be named “The Ultimate Line Up Guesser”.

  157. Markus August 25th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Why wouldn’t the Mets just keep him and get 2 picks? Wagner has said there is no way he is being a SU man next year, so he would decline arbitration. This isin’t a case where he might be motivated by the money and accept it… he has been adamant about wanting 400 saves.

    But it’s not like the Mets pay their draft picks anyway, so it doesn’t really matter. Such a messed up franchise.

  158. William Buckner August 25th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    The bigger “move” for the Sox will be how well Wakefield and Dice-K pitch when they return.

    If they can be an improvement over Tazawa and Penny that could help them hold onto WC. If not, the Rays are going to catch them. 6 more head to head.

  159. CountryClub August 25th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    It’s a good move for the sox. He’ll help them this year and they get two high draft picks next year. They didnt spend any real money this past off season. So 3.5 mil to them is probably worth it.

  160. Tunnel Man August 25th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    speaking of cash for clunkers.

    Don’t forget Boy Genius also signed Paul Byrd for stretch run. He’s in Pawtucket getting ready to come up. No, really.

  161. Bad Scooter August 25th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Those with SiriusXM turn on MadDog. He’s going to lose it talking about last night’s SF Giants debacle.

  162. nj yanks August 25th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Considering Boston has a deep pen, they don’t need to overuse him. They can use him every 3rd day.

  163. Rex August 25th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    “Those with SiriusXM turn on MadDog. He’s going to lose it talking about last night’s SF Giants debacle”

    That 14th inning was fun to watch

  164. bru August 25th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    the rs still lost filler prospects that could of been used in trades for 5 weeks of wagner who can only pitch every 3 days.

    the rs problem is sp & not winning on the road.

    they blew it by not trading for king felix,hallday or another solid pitcher

    rumor has it that they were close to getting king felix

  165. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Poster A: How come I haven’t heard about any interest from the Yankees about this lefty who the mets are just giving away.

    Poster B:

    He was put on waivers and Boston claimed him. He’s not a free agent. Only the team that claims him can negotiate a trade with the Mets regarding him. So New York cna’t touch the guy.

    _

  166. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    They never NEVER had a shot at Felix.

    Never.

  167. SJ44 August 25th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Its a nothing move that will get overanalyized to death because that’s what people do these days.

  168. SJ44 August 25th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    They never had a shot at King Felix.

    Don’t believe Red Sox planted rumors.

    They had a 0% chance to trade for him.

    It was all nonsense.

  169. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    RS
    August 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
    “I really want to hear who is going to come out and say this is a smart move.”

    The same people who thought Eric Gagne was the best pick-up of the year.
    ====

    Let’s just hope, for Theo’s sake, Wags can give them the same kind of BP depth and impact.

  170. henner August 25th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    jeter 6
    damon 7
    tex 3
    alex 5
    matsui x
    posada 2
    cano 4
    swisher 9
    cabrera 8

  171. vin August 25th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    “I don’t get the move by Boston.

    They’re going to pay the rest of Wagner’s salary and give up two prospects for a month, maybe two, of baseball?

    I thought they had the best bullpen in all of baseball?

    This really seems to me to be a run of the mill waiver wire block. The Sox are paying Wagner a ton of money for 6 weeks of work (plus playoffs) and giving up two PTBNL (which probably won’t amount to much).

    The reason they’re fighting for the WC instead of the division is not because of their bullpen. However, if NYY had (a healthy, effective) Wagner then they would be even more difficult to take down in the playoffs.

    The Sox don’t really need him, but they were afraid NYY would claim him. I think it’s as simple as that.

  172. miggs August 25th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    “miggs – Don’t worry, that one “panic” post will be here shortly.”

    :)

    I’m waiting for it Nick.

    Its gotta be coming shortly.

  173. haiku-man August 25th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    I can’t wait to he blows his 1st save,when the fan base and local media want to kill Theo.

  174. miggs August 25th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Erica I need to run into a meeting ASAP.

    What’s the deadline for submissions today?

  175. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    miggs-

    I started the game already. You can post now or until 3:30

  176. Bronx Jeers August 25th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    “It’s a good move for the sox. He’ll help them this year and they get two high draft picks next year. ”

    Unless of course he totally sucks. They’re not going to offer arbitration to a guy that no one wants.

    I’m guessing they have a mutual agreement. They don’t pick up his option and he doesn’t accept arbitration? It’s kind of the same thing though.

  177. Blackaccord August 25th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    The Sox don’t really need him, but they were afraid NYY would claim him. I think it’s as simple as that.
    ——————————————————–

    If thats the case, sox wouldn’t have obliged to wagner’s request of not having the 1 year 8 million$ option and hence wagner would have stayed with the mets.. sox are not getting wagner just to block him from the yanks.. they are getting him to solidy their bullpen..

  178. hey kelvin says August 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Erica whats the prize for actually winning in the game?

  179. Tom in N.J. August 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Wagner is just another outspoken highfaluting wannabe. Pat Burrell must be licking his chops down in Tampa!

  180. Fran (the original) August 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Hey Erica,

    My guess:

    Jeter. SS
    Damon. LF
    Tex. 1B
    ARod. DH
    Posada. C
    Cano. 2B
    Swisher. RF
    Hairston 3B
    Melky. CF

    Thanks.

  181. Christina- Pics of my visit to the Louisville Slugger Museum August 25th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    I didn’t think anyone listened to Russo and his wacky solo show. Now, I am also shocked I still listen to Francesa so I guess I cant really say much about Russo listeners.

    Mike kills me though because I swore I heard him say that Wagner was definitely not going to the Red Sox because he would rather pitch every three days on a losing team than on a contending one. Then I fell asleep and woke up to the news that the Sox did pick him up. He’s a genius i swear.

  182. Blackaccord August 25th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    hey kelvin says
    August 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
    Erica whats the prize for actually winning in the game?

    Two tickets to watch the Mets play the Royals in the world series..

  183. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    hey kelvin says
    August 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
    Erica whats the prize for actually winning in the game?

    ****

    Bragging rights that you can anticipate the inner workings of the brain of Joe Girardi AND my most sincere congratultions

  184. YankeePankee August 25th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Sing along everyone. You too Pete.
    “I’m your captain..Yeah, yeah yeah yeah”
    (Grand Funk Railroad song)

  185. Stateman52 August 25th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Jeter is a first ballot hall of famer.

  186. Tom in N.J. August 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    The Sox ‘pen hasn’t been that great post All Star break:

    Their ‘pen has a 2nd half ERA of 4.14 and a 5.55 era for August. Sadly, they need Billy Wagner.

  187. hey kelvin says August 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    How can I sign up?!?! :D

  188. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 25th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Now that I know people only come here for gossip and go elsewhere for their hardcore baseball news, I feel safe in posting the following from today’s SF Chronicle:

    “– Derek Jeter and two other Yankees stopped by at the Redwood Room at 11:30 p.m. after a game last week, and consumed a cheese plate, ice cream and a Bay of Pigs (a banana split). Healthy snacks build healthy bodies.”

    The Redwood Room is a bar/club in the lobby of the Clift Hotel, close to Union Square. I used to go there years ago when it was a serious, quiet, and somewhat stuffy bar, the kind of place you would get a good single malt and smoke a cigar while someone gently tinkled the piano in the distance.

    At some point they made it much more ‘hip’ and noisy and Euro-trashy and I don’t care for it. I liked it better before. But I was much older then, I’m younger than that now.

  189. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    hey kelvin says
    August 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
    How can I sign up?!?!
    ****

    All you have to do is submit a post with your guess of today’s line up. I track them all and then when the real line up is available I announce the winner(s).

    I even post the standings every day. LOL

  190. Jetes 2 August 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Sox don’t have a defined 8th inning guy. Whenever they try someone in that role, they get exposed. Ramon Ramirez was hot for a while, now he has fallen off. Delcarmen is streaky. Okijima is usually a lefty specialist and a guy who comes in with runners on. Bard has been in a funk lately.

    Saito has looked very good lately, he might be the guy who gets the next crack at it. But Wagner helps them because he gives them a bonafied 8th inning guy. I imagine once the playoffs start, he won’t have restrictions (re: only pitching every 3 days) and can pitch at will.

  191. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    oops: http://www.yelp.com/biz/redwood-room-san-francisco

  192. Jerkface August 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    They never had a shot at King Felix.

    Don’t believe Red Sox planted rumors.

    They had a 0% chance to trade for him.

    It was all nonsense.
    —–

    They had a 100% shot if they would have included Bard, but Theo stuck to his guns and kept the future HOFer out of the package. Smart move, as Bard is the most intimidating guy on that staff according to scouts.

    /Peter Gammons

  193. pat August 25th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    From NY Post beat writer twitter

    Just passed Billy Wagner in the team hotel as he was headed back to his room. He had a big grin and said, “I’m outta here!”

    The Mets are getting two AA-level prospects. The Red Sox agreed to decline Wagner’s option but are retaining draft-pick compensation.

  194. Russell NY August 25th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    $100 bet that the 2 players the Mets aquire are the only Dominican players left in the Red Sox farm system lol

  195. Blueshirt Brawler August 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    EL CAPITAN! I am truly privileged to say I saw Derek Jeter’s entire career. From his debut on my birthday, May 29, 1995 through today, I am lucky to say I have seen one of the Yankee greats play his whole career. It’s been an honor to do so.

  196. Andrew August 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Erica here is my lineup guess:

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

  197. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    M, I read that this morning and it bothered me a great deal. It stinks that AJ now is getting a rep with the media of not being accountable and throwing his teammates under the bus….It’s going to be rough going for him, I think.

  198. Mark in Tampa August 25th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Billy Wagner has thrown 2 innings this year, and had less than 30 saves last year. I don’t know where to check the FA rankings, but I can’t see him being a type A free agent. If he is not, there will be no 2 draft picks coming back to Boston, nor would the Mets have gotten 2 picks if they held on to him.

  199. SJ44 August 25th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Daniel Bard wasn’t the breaking point in a King Felix trade.

    The Mariners had no desire to trade him.

    The Red Sox called, offered 5 prospects, the Mariners said no and that was it.

    Billy Wagner is not going to be the 8th inning guy for the Red Sox.

    When you can only pitch once every 3 days, he’s not going to have that defined role in their bullpen.

  200. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Country Club, thanks! Man, I feel so lucky to have been able to watch Jeter all these years. He was born to play the game – he never acted like a rookie even as a rookie. I think he could have played in any era.

  201. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    I saw Drew Henson play his whole Yankee career. :(

  202. JohnC August 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Nobody should sign Wagner til after May 1 next year. That way the Sox don’t get any comp picks for him in the draft.

  203. S.A.--Relax, Relate, Release August 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Derek Jeter and two other Yankees stopped by at the Redwood Room at 11:30 p.m. after a game last week, and consumed a cheese plate, ice cream and a Bay of Pigs (a banana split). Healthy snacks build healthy bodies.

    ================================

    I’m sure the cheese plate was lovely. :)

  204. miggs August 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    “I blew half my paycheck here. The otherhalf I blew on dinner and designer shoes. Ferocious.

    I come here pretty often because I have a couple friends who work here, and my gang is always treated to complimentary drinks and no wait booth service. But last night was different.

    I paid $52 bucks for a round (four) martinis, and on top of that, our cocktail waitress dropped our drinks on the first round…and then got the order wrong on the second try! Cut!

    On the upside, this place has a very deceiving look. It looks like somewhere that would attract your Forbes 500 types and your “I’m cheating on my wife at 1am” types. Think of it as more of an upscale dive bar. Punks. Preps. Bizzies. Even a couple trannies if you squint hard enough.

    I’ve had better. I’ve had worse. I’m a fan though.”

    The preceding is a direct quote from a comment given by a patron at the bar/club Nick is referencing. I’m strictly posting this for entertainment purposes.

  205. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Ugh, well that’s too bad as Wagner will definitely help the Sox…….

  206. vin August 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    “The Sox ‘pen hasn’t been that great post All Star break:

    Their ‘pen has a 2nd half ERA of 4.14 and a 5.55 era for August. Sadly, they need Billy Wagner.

    Chicken or the egg?

    Their starters in the 2nd half have an ERA of 5.32, as opposed to 4.38 in the 1st half.

    To me the big reason they’re not as dangerous as in years past is the lack of production from Varitek, Ortiz, Drew, and the SS du jour. You can’t have 3 or maybe 4 holes in your lineup and expect to win the AL East.

    Not to mention that their RH heavy lineup isn’t as daunting outside Fenway.

  207. Bronx Jeers August 25th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    I tried to get my wife and a friend to go there a few years back. The Yankees were in town and I figured this was a place they might hang out in.

    When we arrived they were just like “Sorry, we’re not going in there with you.”

  208. Joe I August 25th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    So, Wagner finally accepted a trade to Boston. He’s the right player for them, since he’s perfected the art of choking in a big spot.

  209. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    Here’s who is in today’s “Guess the Line Up” so far:

    Henner, Andrew
    Fran

    Ummm… where is everyone? Submissions until 3:30

  210. bru August 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    jeter(ss)
    damon(lf)
    tex(1b)
    arod(3b)
    matsui(dh)
    posada(c)
    cano(2b)
    swisher(rf)
    melky(cf)

  211. SJ44 August 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    How is he “definitely going to help the Red Sox”?

    Based on what? He’s pitched in 2 competitive innings in the last year.

    He can only pitch once every 3 days since he is still recovering from TJ Surgery.

    Do you really believe his 10 innings of work is going to have an impact on the Red Sox season?

    What happens if he has 3 bad outings? That means, he has 7 innings of value to the Sox.

    Its not a move that’s going to change anything since his role in the bullpen will be small.

    He’s not going to have any significant impact on the Red Sox except making those who think every Red Sox move is brilliant believe this is another great move.

  212. Mark August 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Wagner adds more depth.

    Rather than Miguel Gonzalez or whatever, Wagner is in there.

    Papelbon
    Wagner
    Saito
    Delcarmen
    Okijima
    Bard
    Ramirez

    Not bad.

  213. pat August 25th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    “Derek Jeter and two other Yankees stopped by at the Redwood Room at 11:30 p.m. after a game last week, and consumed a cheese plate, ice cream and a Bay of Pigs (a banana split). Healthy snacks build healthy bodies.”

    Obviously cholestrol is not as issue. The banana for potassium was a good idea though.

  214. RDG August 25th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    I’d rather face Bard or Okijima in a big spot instead of Wagner…

  215. RalphieD (OPPC) August 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Murphy hit his first pro homerun today
    1 for 3 1 homerun 2 rbis
    .389 average 7 for 18

    Heathcott
    0 for 4
    .143 average 1 for 7

    Caleb Cotham Pro Debut
    2 ip 2 hits 5 k’s 0 runs

  216. vin August 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Erica,

    Joe G will go with the “A” lineup today:

    Jeter 6
    Damon 7
    Tex 3
    Alex 5
    Matsui dh
    Posada 2
    Cano 4
    Swisher 9
    Cabrera 8

  217. SJ44 August 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    This reminds me of the Smoltz move.

    A name player coming off serious surgery and you had people, including many in the media, falling all over themselves about how “great” the move was and how “dominant” Smoltz was going to be.

    How did that work out?

    Its asking a lot of Wagner, still with post-surgical limits, to have an impact on a pennant race.

  218. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Boy, I love meetings that run long…….like maybe a week long.

    LO Who the heck is panicking? I guess if the Yankee win the division then they get a gold medal? I’m not going to argue with certain cretins here.

    SJ, I don’t get how this isn’t a good move. They dumped nothing prospects, will get two draft picks in return and they can use Wagner as they see fit. Forget the regular season as I think the Sox will make the playoffs. He’ll help them in the post-season.

  219. RDG August 25th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Murphy has been on a tear since joining the GCL.

  220. henner August 25th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    hey kelvin says
    August 25th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
    Erica whats the prize for actually winning in the game?

    ***********************

    mets 2009 highlight reel

  221. S.A.--Relax, Relate, Release August 25th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    I keep on forgetting to add in my lineup. Thanks again Erica:

    jetes ss
    Your PBF lf
    texy 1b
    al 3b
    matsui dh
    posada c
    cano 2b
    swishy rf
    melky cf

  222. NYYROC August 25th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Erica, Here you go, the old “meat & potatoes” lineup!
    Jeter ss
    Damon lf
    Tex 1b
    ARod 3b
    Matsui dh
    Posada c
    Cano 2b
    Swisher rf
    Melky cf

  223. Joe I August 25th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    “He’ll help them in the post-season.”

    Betsy, that’s why it’s a bad move. The only teams Wagner has ever helped in the post season are the ones he usually pitches against. He’s awful in big spots.

  224. CM (Be patient with the prospects) August 25th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Erica-

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Texeira 1b
    A-Rod DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2b
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF
    Hairston 3b

  225. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 25th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Bronx Jeers, some of the negative Yelp comments are pretty funny:

    “The drinks are weak and the crowd even weaker. I think the moment that killed it for me was the site of a Growing Up Gotti wannabe sitting in the corner with his unattractive girlfriend making disparaging remarks about the other people at the bar. Excuse me *******, but has anyone told you the Richard Grieco look died in 1992? And your girlfriend? While I appreciate the Louis Vuitton Trevi GM (great bag!), it’s technically luggage. You’re an idiot for wearing it to a bar. Invest in the PM or buy a ******* clutch. I hate b*****s who blow a ****load on designer items and have no clue how to wear them.”

  226. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Well, I still think he helps the Sox pen…..not that they really need it.

  227. hey kelvin says August 25th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Jeter
    Damon
    Texeira
    A-Rod
    Matsui
    Posada
    Cano
    Swisher
    Melky

    Hope I win?

  228. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    “…GM Jack Zduriencik admitted he listened, but didn’t find anything even worth discussing.”

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors

    I think that’s the polite form of seeing this list, and being asked to pick out five prospects for the honor of serving up King Felix to the Red Sox, and excusing himself in search of a waste basket to throw up in.

    Clay Buchholz
    Daniel Bard
    Justin Masterson
    Nick Hagadone
    Michael Bowden
    Felix Doubront
    Josh Reddick
    Yamaico Navarro

  229. bru August 25th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    santanna needs minor elbow surgery

  230. Russell NY August 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Santana necessito minoro eblowo surgeryo

  231. hey kelvin says August 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Btw, Hey Christina!

    Your blog is awesome, I’m reading the whole Steroid post. Interesting bullets I must say.

  232. SJ44 August 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    How does somebody still on a strict post-surgical schedule going to “help them” in the post-season Betsy?

    He’s not the same pitcher he was 2 years ago.

    Its no foregone conclusion the Red Sox are going to make the post-season so, assuming they are right now is very premature.

    Even if they do, he can only pitch once every 3 days.

    In other words, he will have little impact on the race.

    He may not even pitch 10 innings for them, given his limits right now.

    He’s a name and everybody likes names. Just like John Smoltz, Brad Penny, and all the other “names” they brought in in the last year.

    The guy is 80%. Nobody who is only 80% is going to have a major impact on a pennant race or in the off-season.

  233. pat August 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Wagner in Fenway
    3 innings
    5 hits
    4 runs
    1 homer
    1 walk
    4 strikeouts
    12.00 ERA

  234. Y26 August 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Good news for Santana… just minor surgery.

  235. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Joe, we’ll see I guess. The Sox have a very strong pen – it’s pretty good to have an arm like Wagner’s at the bottom of the pecking order (if that’s where he ends up because he can’t pitch too often).

  236. Jerkface August 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    think that’s the polite form of seeing this list, and being asked to pick out five prospects for the honor of serving up King Felix to the Red Sox

    I refuse to believe the Red Sox put Bard on the list. They can’t be serious. How could anyone trade that kind of arm? He is such a good reliever I can’t believe they aren’t trying to make him into a starter… imagine that 100 mph fastball for 7 innings!!!

    2010 maybe?

  237. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    hey kelvin says
    August 25th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
    ****

    Please list the positions as well. I need to make sure you aren’t getting creating and putting Matsui in CF and Melky DH

  238. haiku-man August 25th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    I’m hearing from some STL fans that they are stoked by Smoltz
    coming to the Cards,what….ohhh he beat a team 22.5 games out of 1st place.Go on with your bad self Smoltz!!

  239. Jerkface August 25th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Would you rather play a round of russian roulette or face Daniel Bard with the bases loaded and 2 outs?

    Think about it.

  240. Alan August 25th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    The Wagner move should do wonders for the Socks chemistry. After game snipping and shouting matches which Francona will attempt to cover up.
    Wait until Wagner can’t hold a lead. Yeeeeoooooow !

  241. JasonR August 25th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    “I refuse to believe the Red Sox put Bard on the list. They can’t be serious. How could anyone trade that kind of arm?”

    If they’re trying to get King Felix Hernandez.

  242. hey kelvin says August 25th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    A-rod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swish RF
    Melky CF

    Better?? lol

  243. CountryClub August 25th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Jeter is having a historic season, almost a once-in-a-century kind of season given his age and his position. Only one shortstop Jeter’s age or older ever has hit better than .330: that would happen to be Honus Wagner, way back in 1909 (.339) and 1911 (.334).

    Said Long of Jeter, “I don’t look at him as an older player. By the way he is swinging the bat, fielding, running … You don’t look at him as an older player.”

    When told of being in the company of Wagner, Jeter shrugged and said simply, “Season’s not over yet.”

    “He’s the best player I’ve ever played with,” Pettitte said. “Game on the line, if I can pick anyone I ever played with, he’s the guy I would want up in that situation. And I’ve played with some great clutch players. No slight to guys like Paul O’Neill, Bernie Williams, Lance Berkman, but Derek is the one guy I want most to be up there in that situation.”

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z0PDnrbFPe

  244. raymagnetic August 25th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Betsy would think it was a great move if she heard that Jim Rice was coming out of retirement to DH for the Sox.

  245. Jerkface August 25th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    “I refuse to believe the Red Sox put Bard on the list. They can’t be serious. How could anyone trade that kind of arm?”

    If they’re trying to get King Felix Hernandez.

    If I were ‘King’ Felix I’d be embarassed to get traded for a guy of Bard’s caliber. They should name him Emperor Bard.

  246. 7*7 August 25th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Sox must have really wanted him if they decided to drop the option and agree use him in a limited role (once every 3 days) while paying him $3.5 million.

    Shows what they think of their pen. They didn’t give up much, but they had to adhere to some strict rules just to get him here and are paying him $3.5 mil.

  247. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Hey Kelvin Says-

    Yes!!!! Good luck to you :-)

  248. Rose August 25th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    “Steve Phillips. He already said so during Sunday night’s telecast, saying, Wagner will allow them to move Papelbom in the off season.”

    This is why Phillips is not a GM any more. He doesn’t know what he is talking about. And he is terrible on Sun./Mon. baseball games on ESPN. The guys they have are bad and adding Phillips makes them worse.

  249. scott August 25th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    “Betsy would think it was a great move if she heard that Jim Rice was coming out of retirement to DH for the Sox.”

    lmao

  250. bru August 25th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Smoltz beat a aaa lineup

  251. raymagnetic August 25th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    I love Yelp. I don’t go anywhere without reading the comments on Yelp. Funniest website in a long while. Never knew there were so many comedians in existence.

  252. Coach6423 August 25th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Makes no difference in anything….

    Like SJ said. he has restrictions, is a lifetime National Leaguer, now thrust into the AL East.

  253. upstate kate August 25th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Erica-

    SS the Captain
    LF Erica’s PBF
    1B Tex the TV star
    3B A-rod
    DH Godzilla
    C Posada
    2B Cano
    RF Swishalicious
    CF Melky

    going w/ the std line up, everyone should be rested.

    thanks

  254. Jerkface August 25th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Betsy would think it was a great move if she heard that Jim Rice was coming out of retirement to DH for the Sox.

    uh yea, they’d be getting the most feared hitter of the century. I heard that opposing managers would IBB the bases loaded just so they could IBB Rice with the bases loaded because of how fearsome he was.

    The only person, allegedly, to never be scared of Jim Rice is Daniel Bard.

  255. sfochild August 25th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    1. SS Derek Jeter
    2. LF Johnny Damon
    3. 1B Mark Teixeira
    4. 3B Alex Rodriguez
    5. DH Hideki Matsui
    6. C Jorge Posada
    7. 2B Robinson Cano
    8. RF Nick Swisher
    9. CF Melky Cabrera

  256. Tunnel Man August 25th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    According to Deadspin, Wagner likes to hit on his team mate’s girlfriends:

    http://deadspin.com/225133/fro.....lind-items

    hahaahaaaaahahhahahahahhahahahhahh

  257. pat August 25th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    has anyone told you the Richard Grieco look died in 1992? And your girlfriend? While I appreciate the Louis Vuitton Trevi GM (great bag!), it’s technically luggage. You’re an idiot for wearing it to a bar. Invest in the PM or buy a ******* clutch. I hate b*****s who blow a ****load on designer items and have no clue how to wear them.”

    SF has a tough single malt crowd.
    What say you on Yoshi’s for sushi and jazz?

  258. Bronx Jeers August 25th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Yeah, we got there, saw the rope, saw the people waiting behind the rope and I immediately lost my “Let’s go here!” privileges for the evening.

  259. randyhater August 25th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Wagner’s got Randy Johnson’s people skills and Tom Gordon’s grace under pressure. Picture an older, convalescent Arthur Rhodes.

    Give it a week and he’ll be mocking Papi’s accent and questioning the professionalisim of Papelbomb’s facial tics, anonymously of course.

    Is there still time for the Blosox to claim Shefield?

  260. bru August 25th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    wagner will not pitch enough to make a difference.

    his arm has to get accustomed to getting sore & healing & he came back early

  261. Albert August 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Jim Rice is coming out of retirement?

    Ugh, that is a great move for the Sox… Facing a 3-4-5 of Youkallis-Ortiz-Rice is going to be brutal….

  262. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    I guess if the Yankee win the division then they get a gold medal? I’m not going to argue with certain cretins here.
    =====

    Winning your division in the 162-game marathon that is the MLB season is an achievement in itself.

  263. KENNY August 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    A-rod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swish RF
    Melky CF

  264. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Sorry that I have a different opinion than you, Ray…..I was under the impression that the blog was to promote discussion…..not so that those who have different opinions get barbs thrown their way.

  265. RalphieD (OPPC) August 25th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    “I refuse to believe the Red Sox put Bard on the list. They can’t be serious. How could anyone trade that kind of arm? He is such a good reliever I can’t believe they aren’t trying to make him into a starter… imagine that 100 mph fastball for 7 innings!!!”

    bard had a 7 era as a starter in the minors with a 9.4 bb/9

  266. Pie Man August 25th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Winning the division does deserve a gold metal.

    Even if we get swept in the first round of the playoffs… this would still have been a great year. We would have won 100 games, we would have had an exciting season filled with walkoff wins, pies, loud music, great chemistry etc. We have likeable guys on the team, Hughes gained a lot of confidence, Joba will be ready for 190 innings next year, the bullpen came together nicely, etc.

    I don’t care what we do in October, this was a terrific year.

  267. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Bodh, that’s fine, but it wasn’t my point. The poster I was responding to made it sound like it’s not a good move by the Sox simply because the division is over with. The Sox can still get in the playoffs via the WC, so the division has nothing to do with it.

    I venture to guess that if the Yankees get knocked out early this year, no one is going to be saying what an accomplishment it was to win the division. I think it stinks that the first round is 5 games because it gives the worse team a better chance to beat the better team……..and I think the WC team should be penalized for being the WC team, more than just getting one less game at home. So, yes, the best team over the course of the season is not necessarily the team that ends up as the champs. That doesn’t change the fact that fans are not going to be happy unless this team wins the WS.

  268. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Getting ready to buy the Marky Mark MVP MIXTAPE Vol.1 August 25th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    “Good news for Santana… just minor surgery.”

    I’m still LMAO how the Mets “Oh BTW’d” Johan’s (inj.), Mike is right they might else well have shouted it from the bus as it pulled out of Citifield.

  269. bru August 25th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    francessa saying no one on the mets speaking about shutting santanna down

    it wont be minaya thats for sure

    he is saying that they have to do a press conference

  270. Jerkface August 25th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    bard had a 7 era as a starter in the minors with a 9.4 bb/9

    He was just bored in the minors because he was so dominant. He had a negative H/9 and over 10 K/9. Now that he is a reliever they should really stretch him out into a starter. He can make use of all of his pitches: 98 mph fastball, 99 mph fastball, 100 mph fastball, and his changeup, the 95 mph fastball.

  271. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 25th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    pat: I’ve only been to the old Yoshi’s, when it was in Berkeley. I get my sushi elsewhere.

    Bronx Jeers: my favorite ramen place in SF is close to the Redwood Room. It makes me a little nostalgic when I see it now… best bourbon gibson I ever had was there.

  272. Rob in Vt. August 25th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swish RF
    Hairston CF

  273. Tom in N.J. August 25th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Wagners post season ERA is 8.71.

  274. NYY626 August 25th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    I’m going with the A lineup today, i’m too tired to think of anything more creative

    The Captain SS
    Johnny LF
    Tex 1b ( p.s. he was adorable on letterman!)
    Alex 3B
    Matsui DH
    Jorge C
    Cano 2B
    Swish RF
    Melky CF

  275. Devin August 25th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Would have been nice if we could have gotten Wagner.

    With Bruney and Aceves regressing, Robertson inconsistent, Coke prone to giving up HRs, etc. It would have been nice to have that safety net behind Hughes to pitch the 7th on occasion.

    The pen is a big ? mark after Hughes.

  276. miggs August 25th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    My favorite poster swimming upstream as usual, already refuted twice by SJ himself.

    But finding time to comment on the length of my meeting. LOL.

  277. Nick P. August 25th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

  278. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    NYY626-

    Did you hit jackpot in Vegas?? How was it?

  279. miggs August 25th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

  280. Joker August 25th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Melancon needs to replace Who is Brian Bruney?

    A guy like Bruney who doesn’t throw strikes is trouble in the postseason. Atleast Melancon won’t beat himself.

  281. Jake August 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Line up prediction:

    Jeter SS
    Johnny DH
    Tex 1b
    Alex 3B
    Jorge C
    Cano 2B
    Swish RF
    Melky CF
    Hairston Jr. LF

  282. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Here’s who is in today’s “Guess the Line Up” so far:

    30 minutes remain to get in on today’s thrilling round. Line ups until 3:30

    Henner, Andrew, Bru, Vin, SA, NYYROC, Hey Kelvin Says, Upstate Kate, SFochild, Kenny, NYY626, Nick P(all the same)
    Fran
    CM

    There is a clear favorite line up today….

  283. NYYROC August 25th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Per M.Kay show: Omar to talk to media soon about Santana. Omar talking to media? Is that a good idea? Wonder who he’s going to blame for Santana’s injury? :)

  284. Steve D August 25th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Hinske LF
    Cabrera RF

  285. pat August 25th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Nick

    Not familiar with it either. That was the reported Oakland sighting of K-Rod/A-Hud.

  286. bru August 25th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    now francessa is a doctor.

    this guy is never wrong

  287. betsy August 25th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Joker, what has Melancon shown to date? The hype on this kid far exceeds his performance…..

    Devin, even if the Yanks had claimed Wagner, the Mets would very likely not deal with them. They’d likely just pull him back. I agree about the pen…it’s shaky after Mo and Phil.

  288. Cindy G August 25th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Tunnel Man–That Deadspin piece was too much. Putting those charms in Boston? Couldn’t happen to a better clubhouse.

  289. eric August 25th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    AP says Johan done for yr, needs surgury

  290. Wait till the ALDS August 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Erica-

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1b
    A-Rod 3b
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2b
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

  291. JJ August 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Hinske is batting .455 (5/11) with a HR against Millwood.

    Really, all of our guys are batting over .300 against him, except Jeter.

  292. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Getting ready to buy the Marky Mark MVP MIXTAPE Vol.1 August 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    “Would have been nice if we could have gotten Wagner.”

    You don’t even know if he can pitch back to back, you notice how the Yankees have been right w/ basically all of thier moves.

    Teix
    CC over Johan
    Hughes/Melky over Johan
    AJ’s health (knock on wood)
    the farm system
    Baldeli’s health
    putting Yussssse in the BP

    Waggles has pitched 2 innings in a league Marte dominated, is he that much better? I think not.

  293. Wait till the ALDS August 25th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Melancon did quite well in his very brief big league stint. Certainly he did nothing wrong to warrant calling him a bust.

  294. Drive 4-5 August 25th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Wagner to the $ox is a great move… for newspaper headlines. I can’t wait till Papelbum explains his “what’s he ever done?” comment to Wagner’s face. Wagner, fom everything I’ve read, is less than congenial himself.

    The fact is the Red Sox have a good bullpen and dont need Wagner. Bo$ton is going to spend $3.5 mil on a pitcher who may only pitch 13 innings the rest of the year. That works out to over $260,000/inning. That’s what the Yanks paid Carl Pavano! He’ll make more than Phil Hughes and Joba combined after his 3 appearances. I can’t wait to hear Gammons spin this one! lol

  295. RalphieD (OPPC) August 25th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    “Winning the division does deserve a gold metal.

    Even if we get swept in the first round of the playoffs… this would still have been a great year. We would have won 100 games, we would have had an exciting season filled with walkoff wins, pies, loud music, great chemistry etc. We have likeable guys on the team, Hughes gained a lot of confidence, Joba will be ready for 190 innings next year, the bullpen came together nicely, etc.

    I don’t care what we do in October, this was a terrific year.”

    you are in the vast minority my friend…i agree with what you said but i think what happens in the Post-season is kinda important

  296. Yankee fan stuck in the heart of "The Nation" August 25th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Nick in SF in Larkspur
    August 25th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
    Now that I know people only come here for gossip and go elsewhere for their hardcore baseball news, I feel safe in posting the following from today’s SF Chronicle:

    “– Derek Jeter and two other Yankees stopped by at the Redwood Room at 11:30 p.m. after a game last week, and consumed a cheese plate, ice cream and a Bay of Pigs (a banana split). Healthy snacks build healthy bodies.”

    The Redwood Room is a bar/club in the lobby of the Clift Hotel, close to Union Square. I used to go there years ago when it was a serious, quiet, and somewhat stuffy bar, the kind of place you would get a good single malt and smoke a cigar while someone gently tinkled the piano in the distance.

    At some point they made it much more ‘hip’ and noisy and Euro-trashy and I don’t care for it. I liked it better before. But I was much older then, I’m younger than that now.

    -I love The Byrds!!

  297. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Getting ready to buy the Marky Mark MVP MIXTAPE Vol.1 August 25th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    “Joker, what has Melancon shown to date? The hype on this kid far exceeds his performance…..”

    Melancon has been solid when given a chance, he gets sent down when they need to make roster moves. Right now he is a better option than Who is Bruney? that’s for sure.

  298. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 25th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    I know it seems unfathomable, but maybe Wagner will help them win a game or two. If that’s the difference between the wild card and early-October tee times, then it was a great move.

    If the two draft picks are an upgrade from the prospects that go to the Mets, who knows… expensive rental for a couple draft picks, but they might strike gold.

    If Wagner rolls into that bullpen like a Molotov cocktail and :gasp: loses some games for them, we will all have a good laugh at their expense.

    Or he could suck like Gagne but not hurt them.

    Only time will tell.

  299. Andrew August 25th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Hey Devin, what is getting Wagner going to do to improve the guys you ripped out of the Yankees’ bullpen, exactly, when he has to be babied and can only pitch once in a blue moon due to coming back from Tommy John surgery? Also, Robertson has been consistent and consistently good lately, so you are just wrong on that one. Not to mention Coke who has had his numbers tanked by a few terrible outings but overall has been a good left handed reliever.

    But hey why let reality get in the way?

  300. Wait till the ALDS August 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Brandon-Since when was Marte a bust? Just because he didn’t do well down the stretch doesn’t mean he can’t be useful to us now. Very useful.

    Far too soon to make coments on A.J.’s health, knock on wood, IMO. It’s a four year contract, isn’t it (or was it five)?

    I think Wagner would have been a good low risk move that if it didn’t work out wouldn’t hurt us.

  301. L to the 2nd August 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    LMAO Randyhater – that about says it all

    Wagner coming in does what exactly? Take innings away from Okijima?

    How exactly does that help?

  302. bru August 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    hinske in rf,3b,dh ??

  303. Wait till the ALDS August 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    I think that to consider this season a sucess we need to get past the first round.

  304. Rishi August 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    Pete – loving the new mobile site, but why are all the comments from 2007? read this post on my phone and all the comments are about where Santana is going and Melky v. Damon – heck, there was even a post from the (in)famous “Bobcat”

  305. Cash is King August 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    Other than maybe Wagner helping them in the playoffs, the Red Sox spent the 3M for the draft choices more than anything else because they will probably be active this winter and want to make sure they have some early picks because they might lose their own early picks signing free agents.

    With that being said, I don’t want to hear about how Boston is small market again because they either spent or flushed down a lot of cash this second half of the season.

  306. RalphieD (OPPC) August 25th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    “Joker, what has Melancon shown to date? The hype on this kid far exceeds his performance…..”

    i never liked this argument for any player, they can only show as much as they are given a chance to…hes pitched 11 innings to the tune of a 3.18 era…is it a small sample size? yes…does he have too many walks? yes…but he hasnt done anything that would make anyone think he couldnt pitch in mlb

  307. Jay August 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

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    Yuuusse >>>> Wagner
    Marte >>>> Wagner
    Coke >>>> Wagner
    Aceves >>>> Wagner

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    Wagner off TJS, has hit 96 once, and now welcome to the AL hope your arm is ready for abuse Waggles.

  309. Andrew August 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    “Joker, what has Melancon shown to date? The hype on this kid far exceeds his performance…..”

    Betsy what chance did Melancon get to really “show something”? His usage was sparse and he performed, overall, pretty well given his very limited opportunities. That is not exactly his fault, just a matter of other guys getting the chances because they were doing the job already by the time he arrived.

    He struggled with his control at times but he can clearly get major league hitters out right now, so I don’t really understand ripping him for being overhyped. The Yankees have not given him a true opportunity to prove if he’s overhyped or not, and I think he deserves one soon but it will have to wait until 2010.

  310. Bronx Jeers August 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Nick,

    I seem to recall you mentioning monkfish liver when we were all making extra-inning resolutions during the 15 inning game.

    If that’s the place, please pass on the name. I’ll be sure to hit that spot next time I’m there.

  311. Tony in Albany August 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    How is it that while Jeter has played about 300 fewer games than Mantle he has over 400 more at bats? Does mantle just have way more walks than jeter (without looking it up on bb ref, i don’t have the stat since Pete’s list just shows jeter at #7)

  312. Leo August 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    ““Winning the division does deserve a gold metal.

    Even if we get swept in the first round of the playoffs… this would still have been a great year. We would have won 100 games, we would have had an exciting season filled with walkoff wins, pies, loud music, great chemistry etc. We have likeable guys on the team, Hughes gained a lot of confidence, Joba will be ready for 190 innings next year, the bullpen came together nicely, etc.

    I don’t care what we do in October, this was a terrific year.”

    If AJ Burnett gets bombed in the postseason, is anyone going to care that he is throwing pies at people? He is going to be destroyed

    If A-Rod hits .100 again, will anyone remember that the team was under .500 before he arrived and took off as soon as he came back and got huge hits for us and stayed out of trouble? No. Back to the boos.

    It is all about October. As sad as it is, the great regular season is going to be a distant memory once the calender turns.

  313. Cash is King August 25th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Wagner gives Francona the ability to play matchups out of the bullpen, particularly, if they make the playoffs. The question is how effective Wagner will be because his track record in the playoffs isn’t exactly steller when he was completely healthy.

  314. RayVT August 25th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1b
    A-Rod 3b
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2b
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

  315. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    grrrrr, I hate typing some longish post and then having it get filtered.

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  316. Wait till the ALDS August 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    I’m totally serious when I say that for this year to be a sucess we need to at the very least get past the first round. This team is good enough to do it.

  317. V Torch August 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    What did Melancon prove?

    He put up a 3.18 ERA in 11 innings. He was excellent in his 2nd call-up.

    The team is just obsessed with Bruney and buy into the “if he throws strikes” argument. Well, Melancon already does throw strikes. That is his calling card.

  318. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes August 25th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    pat,

    Season ending surgery for Santana.

    thank god we didn’t make that trade!

  319. Wait till the ALDS August 25th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    Bruney has been pitching much better lately. Yes he did bad in Boston. So did Andy Pettite. That was a weird game.

    I love Melancon, but we’re doing well right now and Bruney’s been more and more effective, Boston appearance nowithstanding. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  320. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

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  321. RayVT August 25th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    A friend of mine once did a detailed analysis of the statistical leaders of different years versus the norm of that year/era. Babe Ruth was a Statistical Outlier of unbelieveable proportions. Gehrig was great as well, but even he was overshadowed by what Ruth did of course. The funny thing is now we try to compare todays statistics with those of the past and it is very difficult.

    There are a lot of all-time Yankee greats and Jeter is one of them. I believe he is the best SS in Yankee history and also in the discussion and perhaps is the best of all-time great MLB SS.

  322. Andrew August 25th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Bruney sticks around because of the “veteran over rookie” thought process, I think. Bruney’s stuff is really good, he has been with the team for a few years now and he worked really hard to come back last year after his foot injury and pitched phenomenally. He also lost all that weight and he was serious coming in to the year about being the 8th inning guy–I think all these things add up to the team giving him a longer leash than other relievers.

    But he also is still a frequently-injured, inconsistent/combustible hard-thrower, which is exactly what he was when Cash plunked him off the scrap heap.

    So, I think he’s winning the battle of having a job right now with the Yankees, but Mark M. will win the war in time.

  323. RayVT August 25th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Thanks Erica!

  324. RalphieD (OPPC) August 25th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1b
    Arod 3b
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Swisher RF
    Cano 2b
    Melky Cf

  325. raymagnetic August 25th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Betsy,

    I like you like a play cousin. It’s just curious how you think that nothing the Yankees do is good enough but everything the Sox do is a “great” move.

    You bash Melancon but think a guy coming off of TJ surgery who’s only going to pitch a handful of innings will be a great help to a team that didn’t need another reliever.

    Sorry to tell you, but opinions like that are going to get you darts thrown your way.

  326. Wait till the ALDS August 25th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Of course Jeter is the best SS in Yankees’ history. Who’s better, Phil Rizzuto? No way.

  327. Drive 4-5 August 25th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Tonights lineup:
    Jeter ss
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    A Rod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Melky CF

    I know.. not too creative,but it’s a lineup that wins:)

  328. pat August 25th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    I wonder if the Mets were in contention for anything if Santana would have held off on having surgery.

  329. G. Love August 25th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    I think the spin on the Wagner thing is going to be what a genius Theo was for buying 2 extra first round picks for the price of Wagner’s remaining salary.

    Only problem with that line of thinking is that the Red Sox have to offer arb and he has to decline it and sign with a team that doesn’t pick from 16 beyond.

    A lot has to happen for the Red Sox to get those picks.

    If he signs with a team who picks 1-15 then the Red Sox don’t get their first round pick. They get sandwich picks.

    What team in their right mind is going to sign Wagner for 1 year and give up their first round pick?

    I don’t see it.

    I think the Red Sox are going to chicken out from offering arb just like the Yankees did with Abreu and he’ll end up being able to go where he wants with no compensation given to Boston.

    Boston better hope he doesn’t rock the boat and throw off roles in the pen which he could very well do.

    It’s not a terrible move, but it does nothing to address their biggest weakness in the rotation. Not to mention Wagner comes with rules on how often he can pitch now.

  330. Tiki August 25th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Omar is on SNY

  331. L to the 2nd August 25th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

  332. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 25th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Bronx Jeers: the place is Katana-ya, it’s on Geary and Mason. I did vow to go there if we won the 15-inning game and I was true to my word. If I ever get around to updating my flickr page I’ll post the picture I took of my kimchee ramen.

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/katana-ya-san-francisco

    There are those who say that there really isn’t any truly high quality ramen anywhere in San Francisco. Having never been to Japan for the real thing, I can only enjoy what we have.

    And because I can’t help it, exerpts from another yelp review of the Redwood Room:

    “If you want to spend time, and your hard-earned money at a bar that does an effective job at reminding you just how far down the economic ladder you are, then this is the perfect place for you! … The crowd that night was – albeit somewhat flashy – fairly approachable and friendly. Drinks are a bit pricey however, averaging around $15 – i left my tab open for the group, and tasted vomit after being handed the bill at the end of the night. With that said, I’ll definitely go back, especially when i need to impress a date, an out of town guest or show off my Ukrainian escort for the night.”

  333. NYY626 August 25th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

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  334. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Getting ready to buy the Marky Mark MVP MIXTAPE Vol.1 August 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Oliver Perez to see a doctor (knee)

  335. raymagnetic August 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Wow, another day, another Mets injury.

  336. Robbykid August 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    I hope Wagner punches Papelbon in the face and breaks his nose….And as a result, he breaks his own hand……F’ the Rioid Sux…..

  337. Hokiehill August 25th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    I too am going generic…

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

  338. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Brandon…I’M AWESOME!… Getting ready to buy the Marky Mark MVP MIXTAPE Vol.1
    August 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
    Oliver Perez to see a doctor (knee)

    ****

    Unbelieveable. I am guessing Minaya wishes he could go on the DL these days

  339. henner August 25th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    “I think the Red Sox are going to chicken out from offering arb just like the Yankees did with Abreu and he’ll end up being able to go where he wants with no compensation given to Boston.”

    *******************

    They can offer him arbitration because he already said he doesnt want to be at a place where he has no chance to close. So they can offer because they know hell decline

  340. Erica - always OPPC August 25th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    We need one more person to submit the “A” line up to make it an even 20…..

  341. Christina- Pics of my visit to the Louisville Slugger Museum August 25th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Hinske RF
    Cabrera CF

  342. Brandon...I'M AWESOME!... Getting ready to buy the Marky Mark MVP MIXTAPE Vol.1 August 25th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    if your Mike Pelfrey & Bobby Parnell sleep w/ a bubble wrap.

  343. Hokiehill August 25th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    “They can offer him arbitration because he already said he doesnt want to be at a place where he has no chance to close. So they can offer because they know hell decline”

    Or he could just take it, act like a big baby and then they’d have to trade him and pay him! Worked with Man-Ram, so why not?

  344. Blackaccord August 25th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

  345. Bronx Jeers August 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    After the day off I’ll go with the “A” line-up as well.

    I think I’m 1 for 3 so a loss today will bring me down to .250 which could force me to retire. I’m not doing the Mendoza line.

    Jeter ss
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    A Rod 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Melky CF

  346. benfica356 August 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    SS Jeter
    LF Damon
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    DH Matsui
    C Posada
    2B Cano
    RF Swish
    CF Melky

  347. Christina- Pics of my visit to the Louisville Slugger Museum August 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Girardi better listen to me today Erica, or else.

  348. EY August 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Wow.

    Cashman’s a genius for not trading Hughes for Santana in retrospect. (I am sure the same could be said next year for Halladay)

  349. MGUMPHER August 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    It is not really fair to bash on Bruney not having great control and command when it goes 5-6 days with him not pitching in a game. He has good stuff, he has shown before that he can do it and should have a couple of chances to re-prove himself.

  350. Nick in SF in Larkspur August 25th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    I would be shocked if there was not an agreement in place that will have the Sox offerening arbitration and Wagner declining it.

  351. Wait till the ALDS August 25th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Bronx Jeers-Nothing wrong with playing at a 250. clip as long as you’ve got power. :-)

  352. S.A.--Relax, Relate, Release August 25th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Do the mets even have enough bodies to pitch games? :?

  353. Robbykid August 25th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    SS Jeter
    LF Damon
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    C Posada
    2B Cano
    RF Swish
    DH Hinske
    CF Melky

  354. Wait till the ALDS August 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    I called it on RAB and I’m calling it now: We are soon going to see the beginning of the HOF pitching career of Angel Berroa, who will be converted to a pitcher for the Mets.

    And then he’ll promptly be traded to the Phillies, where he and Lee will go on to have a combined ERA of 1.50.

    You heard it here first.

  355. hey kelvin says August 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Wow, This is like rock bottom for the Mets.

    Can’t believe Santana yesterday and today Oli Perez.

    Insane. Epic. Fail.

    At what point do they fire the trainers? Almost the whole 25 man roster is injured lol.

  356. Dr. Cox August 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Jeter SS
    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera CF

    Night game after a day off. Dont see why our entire “A” line up can’t play.

  357. Dr. Cox August 25th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    woops. Guess Im on such a Jeter High I put him in there twice. Lets try this again:

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swish RF
    Cabrera CF

  358. bru August 25th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    minaya affraid of a press conference

    he needs to get to the point.

    he mumbles,bumbles.

    what a mess of a team

    a whole year wasted

  359. NYY626 August 25th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Dr. Cox August 25th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    woops. Guess Im on such a Jeter High I put him in there twice.
    _________________________________________________________________
    Its ok, I’m sure a lot of people wish Jeter can bat more than once in the lineup

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