Posada day-to-day; A-Rod OK
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This is Josh with a quick recap of the postgame.
First off, sorry for the misinformation. Here’s a recap of the news:
— Jorge Posada was hit in the left ring finger in the eighth inning and left the game. He re-aggravated an injury suffered a couple weeks ago during the now infamous three wild pitch game against the Jays.
X-rays on Posada’s finger were negative and Joe Girardi said he is day-to-day. I wouldn’t expect him to play tomorrow, given that Girardi already said it was likely Jose Molina would catch A.J. Burnett with the day game following a night game.
Posada said the staff is working on something he can wear to protect the finger. Don’t expect it to solve the problem. “I don’t think it’s going to heal until the season’s over,” he said. “The joint is bruised. There’s not much I can do.”
— Alex Rodriguez fouled a pitch off his left foot during the eighth inning and left the game to start the ninth. Girardi said he made the move based solely on the score. After the manager originally said A-Rod would receive X-rays, the information was corrected. A-Rod did not receive any X-rays. He has a bruised left foot, but further tests were unnecessary.
— Andy Pettitte pitched seven innings of two-run ball. He tied Lefty Gomez with 189 wins as a Yankee. It is third all-time in club history behind Whitey Ford and Red Ruffing. All three are in the Hall of Fame.
— The Yankees retracted the fact that Pettitte’s 49 2/3-inning homerless streak was the longest of his career. However, he had not allowed a homer in six starts. He last went this many starts without allowing a homer in 2002. That streak lasted 10 starts.
— Pettitte is now 3-0 with a 2.84 ERA this August (five starts). He went 1-3 with a 5.84 ERA last August and had a terrible second half.
The difference? His health. Pettitte pitched through shoulder pain in the second half. At 37, he is pain-free and rolling, having pitched six innings or more in all but one start (the last one, vs. Boston) since the break.
“I had never had shoulder problems in my career until last year,” he explained. “I couldn’t get the ball to go where I wanted it to. The shoulder is nice (now). It’s nice not to have it hurting. Hopefully I feel good the rest of the way.”
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Great job Andy.
Pettitte now has 225 wins at 37 years old. If he plays a couple more seasons and wins >250 does he get any consideration for the HoF?
hopefully AJ bounces back tomorrow and the yanks win another series…
i like this matchup with him because if he has his curve working the rangers swing and miss a lot
Seems like the writing on the wall points to Pettitte returning to the Bronx next season, especially since Wang is going to be out for the next year if he comes back at all.
Right now, I have more confidence in Andy in the playoffs than any other pitcher on the Yankees staff and that’s not something I throw around lightly
Thanks for everything, Josh.
Good news on Jorge and Alex.
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Repost:
Thank goodness we won’t have to find out what would happen.
But I’m joining in with the ranks of people who believe that the team could still prevail if something happened to Jorge.
Not to denigrate him, take away from what he does, or totally ignore his contributions.
But I think this team’s on a mission, and they’re feeding off of Jeter’s sense of urgercy. (secondary source: Peter Gammons-gag)
He’d be missed in the field, at the plate, and in general. But the rest of the team knows what’s at stake. They’d step up and I doubt they’d fall apart during the absence of Jorge.
So, yes, he’d be missed terribly. Yes, the team would lose more games, but I think the team would ultimately figure out what it’d take to survive if, heaven forbid, Jorge (or any other member) should fall.
p.s. This is a great team. T-E-A-M!
Jim 250 may be the new 300, given it will probably be a long time before anyone gets near 300.
Of course, that would mean Blyleven, Kaat, Moose, Morris would be in line before Andy.
The YES poll that said 88% want Pettitte back next year speaks for itself right now.
Rebecca you’re right. Andy has this over CC & AJ right now.
Big. Game. Pitcher.
Josh, thanks for all the updates!
Ben August 26th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
The YES poll that said 88% want Pettitte back next year speaks for itself right now.
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Yankee fans are fair weather fans, though.
I guarantee most fans didn’t want Pettitte back around the ASB.
I guess people were a little too premature throwing dirt on his career – just like people are dumping on Joba now.
Thank goodness Posada should be okay. Then who would we blame when AJ, Jobber or someone else has a poor pitching performance.
Right now, I think I would be open for Andy coming back for 1 more year.
GF I’m convinced Joba’s problem is between the ears.
It certainly isn’t about talent – we know he has it.
anyone going to the phil hughes signing tomorrow night?
Brad Penny asked for his release from the Red Sox and got it.
So much for those genius offseason moves by Theo.
We need to move on… can’t keep bringing back older pitchers like Andy.
Go out and get someone like John Lackey. A Stud ace to compliment CC.
“anyone going to the phil hughes signing tomorrow night?”
where?
L to the 2nd August 26th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
GF I’m convinced Joba’s problem is between the ears.
It certainly isn’t about talent – we know he has it.
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That’s entirely possible. But it can be anything with Joba.
It’s rarely an easy transition to develop a young arm with his talent.
We’re going to see the same thing with Hughes next season. It’s inevitable.
steiner sports, roosevelt field mall garden city
Dan August 26th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
We need to move on… can’t keep bringing back older pitchers like Andy.
Go out and get someone like John Lackey. A Stud ace to compliment CC.
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No to Lackey. He’s been hurt a lot and he’s not that old.
In fact, Pettitte has been far more durable than Lackey over the years.
So the RS rotation is:
Beckett
Lester
Wakefield
Buchholz
Tazawa
With Bowden in the wings?
Dice-K? Who knows?
Welcome to the incredible shrinking pitching depth
Where is the signing??? I wanna attend…
Giuseppe Franco-
I agree that more people wouldn’t want Pettitte back at ASB, but considering his performance, it was understandable. At that point, he hadn’t shown that he could still consistently be a solid starter. Recently, he has pitched well (Boston game an exception) and because of this people want him back. I don’t know if calling Yankee fans Fair-weathered is entirely correct. It’s more of a, “what have done for us lately” kind of thing.
Of course we could win without Posada… it would just become significantly more difficult to win without him. As bodhi says, Posada gives the lineup a high marginal advantage. A weakened lineup vs. playoff pitching is not something we want to experience.
It’s very easy to opine that other players would pick up the slack or that mystical forces would guide the Yanks to victory anyway. It could be so. But no one has a clue.
L to the 2nd
Jim 250 may be the new 300, given it will probably be a long time before anyone gets near 300.
Of course, that would mean Blyleven, Kaat, Moose, Morris would be in line before Andy.
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Kaat pitched in the 4 man rotation era so he is a separate case.
Moose should get a lot of consideration in any case.
Here is the breakdown for those guys:
Moose’s win pct is .638 and ERA is 3.68
Blyleven’s win pct is .534 and ERA is 3.31
Morris’ win pct is .577 and ERA is 3.90
Andy’s win pct is .628 and ERA is 3.91
Moose is clearly the easiest choice. I think Andy is in that “just outside the Hall” group. I have to wonder how much his postseason numbers will help him. He is 14-9 3.96 in the postseason.
Phil Youuuuse signing 8/27/09
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Lackey?
31 in October. Hurt a lot.
8-7, 4.16 this year.
1 year of 19 wins, nothing else even close in 8 years.
What do you think he’ll command this year as the “best” FA pitcher of the bunch?
I’ll pass.
Ben August 27th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Giuseppe Franco-
I agree that more people wouldn’t want Pettitte back at ASB, but considering his performance, it was understandable. At that point, he hadn’t shown that he could still consistently be a solid starter. Recently, he has pitched well (Boston game an exception) and because of this people want him back. I don’t know if calling Yankee fans Fair-weathered is entirely correct. It’s more of a, “what have done for us lately” kind of thing.
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I don’t disagree with most of that. But here’s the thing – the season is 162 games long and pitchers are going to have their ups and downs.
And those who know their Yankee history would have known that Pettitte has been a second half pitcher his entire career. No, he didn’t pitch well last season at this time because he wasn’t healthy.
I said on these same boards a number of times that I wasn’t worried about Pettitte in the second half unless he wasn’t healthy.
As it turns out, history repeats itself yet again with Pettitte because he’s doing the same thing now that he’s done his entire career.
Some fans understand it’s a long season and some fans don’t. That’s one reason why I can hardly stomach whiny fans who do nothing but come here to complain.
Not that I’ve thought of it systematically until this minute, but I realize that part of my desire to play the Angels and my conviction that we would beat them, is tied up in my unconsidered assumption that Jorge Posada would be part of our lineup.
I am frankly tired of hearing how we can’t beat the Angels, because I am convinced that we can and would, if given the opportunity.
But I agree with whomever said on the other thread that this discussion has run it’s course – at least for me. I’ve already made my opinion known in detail. No point in repeating it.
Glad ARod and Jorgie are OK. Hope GI Joe gives Alex a respite from 3B soon.
RT @HackswithHaggs: Well that answers that RT @mlbtraderumors: Brad Penny asked for and was granted his release. More soon.
Urgency doesn’t win championships. Pitching does.
We won’t have Brad Penny to kick around anymore?
This is not a vintage Angels team this year.
Their rotation is a mess.. Lackey’s ERA is almost 5. Saunders’ ERA is over 5. Santana’s ERA is over 6. Weaver is their best pitcher with an ERA just above 4.
They have nobody of note in their bullpen… no longer Shields and K-Rod shutting things down.
Their offense, however, is very potent. They are kind of like a more fundamentally sound version of the 04-08 Yankees.
So how many pitchers were we responsible for the RS nuking this year.
Smoltz, Penny, Traber (well, I’m not sure he counts)
I don’t think any of Moose, Blyleven, Morris, or Andy will be enshrined in the Hall of Fame. I’d like to see at least Moose and Blyleven in, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.
The Angels offense worries you, the pitching – not so much.
The Angels are a good team, but like Boston, they’ve become somewhat mythologized. It becomes tiresome.
# Jim the VT Yankeefan August 26th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Pettitte now has 225 wins at 37 years old. If he plays a couple more seasons and wins >250 does he get any consideration for the HoF?
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It’s just not about wins though. There’s plenty of guys with less than 250 who are in the Hall.
Sandy Koufax has 165 wins.
Some of these guys were voted in by the Veterans committee.
But others like Koufax and Bob Gibson (251 wins) are there because simply put, they DOMINATED in their era. Big time.
What Koufax did in 65-66′ with his arm practically falling off is simply unprecedented.
One thing I have heard but am not entirely positive about, is that no pitcher who ended up 100 wins over .500 has ever not made the HOF. And Andy’s is 7 wins away (with no losses) from that unique milestone.
What he doesn’t have are those dominant years that are supposed to define a HOF career.
The Angels situation is definitely annoying, but facts are facts.
Since ‘96, they’ve had our number.
With BOS, no matter what happens, you usually wind up 9-9 or 10-8 at ht end of the year
It would be a decent series, but our lineup is deeper and more powerful.
And our pitching is better. We wouldn’t be chasing balls into the gap all night like we did in ‘05.
I think Moose gets in, with all considered during this “steroid era”. He has to be considered as a top 5 pitcher during this era. And you can scratch Clemens off that list by default. Pedro, Schilling, Johnson, Mussina…who else?
Mo converts that save in 2001 and Pettitte has 5 rings, then he starts to look more like a candidate.
I agree on 250 is the new 300, though. Hard to believe Andy is 37 and would need 3 20 win seasons just to get to 250.
NYYanksFan
August 27th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Urgency doesn’t win championships. Pitching does.
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Lol. Urgency is a concept created by football writers whose imaginations wander as they dip into the pressroom pretzel bowl.
It is a particularly ridiculous notion when it comes to baseball.
Man, it’s hard to believe that the Phillies have 14 blown saves this season.
Damn.
Maybe Lidge and Co. made a deal with the devil last season and the big guy is cashing in on it now.
BigSix, you’re ignoring his Astros wins… I think he’s at 226 career now? Around there.
Actually BigSix Andy has 225 (189 is only w/NYY).
So 250 is doable for him, if he plays at least 2 more years.
Bengie Molina blasts a pinch-hit 3-run homer in the 8th to put the Giants up 4-3. On a gimpy leg.
He approached the at-bat with urgency.
The travel is a factor when it comes to games with the Angels.
The last series out there was entirely winnable, weird stuff happened that did not underlie any real superiority on their part.
I just saw that – almost Kirk Gibson-like
What a pickup Hairston has become. That 13 pitch at bat was a turning point, knocking Holland out of the game. Great trade to bolster the bench.
That can’t be right. Penny released?
I thought he was getting traded away for some stud prospect?
You can’t get much for a Penny these days…
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 27th, 2009 at 12:14 am
We won’t have Brad Penny to kick around anymore?
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Theo’s like Richard III with these take-outs.
Did they DFA him? I’m too sleepy to read back.
bodi I admit I missed most of that series, but it looked like the Angels were scoring at will – without Vlad & Hunter.
That was extremely annoying, since I believe we were leading fairly late in all 3 games?
I think they’re giving Penny more time to pursue his Rhodes Scholarship — an option cruelly closed to their clueless closer.
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 27th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Bengie Molina blasts a pinch-hit 3-run homer in the 8th to put the Giants up 4-3. On a gimpy leg.
He approached the at-bat with urgency.
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So enjoyable.
You mean Theo isn’t Wile E. Coyote — Suuper Geenius?
Andy is 226-133 lifetime. Good enough for 46th all time in win%
Pedro is 6th all time at 216-99. Career ERA 2.93 and 3100 K’s.
That’s why he’ll go in the HOF with a low win total.
Yay for the Giants. Bengie is one of the best “golfers” among RH hitters. Love to see them turn the tables on the Rockies this weekend.
Josh Johnson.
Now there’s a Marlin pitcher I’d like to take a run at down the road.
Screw Lackey.
The thing about Andy is, he earned his way up to the majors and it shows. He wasn’t a bonus baby handed a lot of money and endless opportunities; he worked his way up each level of the minor leagues by being one of the most focused, driven, hardworking guys around. That kind of competitiveness has enabled him to outlast thousands of players of greater talent ceiling and build a career of tremendous accomplishments.
His HOF case is similar to Jack Morris, who is yet to be voted in but has a strong contingent of support. Morris has that flashy postseason resume and for his career he had 254 wins and a 3.90 ERA, and Andy will probably finish up with numbers like that, except his W-L% will be a lot better, and the Mitchell Report thing will hurt him.
If it’s us and the Phillies at the end, I’m tempted to try to see all the games live.
It’s only a 100 miles from me. I’ll have to behave myself, though. I saw a Giant fan get punched in the mouth unprovoked in ‘81 in the Vet Stadium park lot after the Giants beat the Eagles in a playoff game.
Why does Girardi insist on putting Bruney in. Regardless of lead.
Is Bruney a Rhodes scholar unlike Papelbon?
Bx Jeers also the domination issue for Pedro.
Andy, outside of 1 near Cy Young year, can’t argue that.
Needs to have > 250 wins to even be considered
MLB confirms Penny’s release
Where does he go?
I still want the Yanks to knock 1 more Sox pitcher out of their rotation and into virtual oblivion.
“It’s only a 100 miles from me. I’ll have to behave myself, though. I saw a Giant fan get punched in the mouth unprovoked in ‘81 in the Vet Stadium park lot after the Giants beat the Eagles in a playoff game.”
bod, I’m in South Jersey, just 20 miles, maybe even closer by October as I’m looking for a house closer to Philly, but I got your back!
L to the 2nd
August 27th, 2009 at 12:32 am
bodi I admit I missed most of that series, but it looked like the Angels were scoring at will – without Vlad & Hunter.
That was extremely annoying, since I believe we were leading fairly late in all 3 games?
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Yeah, the usual sort of hell breaking loose at the end of a road trip out there, looking forward to the ASB, couple of strange managerial decisions, etc.
I didn’t read much into that series, frankly. The Yankees, let’s face it, have the potential to look ugly when they don’t pitch well. I just don’t see teams being able to do that to this team too often in the postseason.
I think Bruney was awarded the NotBright Scholarship but he declined it to be a Diamondback.
Nick,
It’s cute and fun to laugh, but there were people making definite proclamations that we would be doomed if we lost Jorge.
Some of us just disagreed, while acknowledging that the hypothetical loss of Jorge would cut deep.
And I stand by my statement about Jeter. Even though people had a good laugh at it.
Bronx Jeers
August 27th, 2009 at 12:39 am
I still want the Yanks to knock 1 more Sox pitcher out of their rotation and into virtual oblivion.
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How about we run Wakefield into oblivion? Who caught him tonight – anyone know? If we hadn’t pounded their pitching so senselessly this last trip up there, we might have run on them, since they’re awful at preventing the running game. Turns out, it wasn’t needed.
Bx Jeers any preference?
Another outing by Bowden like the last one might do the trick
Joe I
August 27th, 2009 at 12:39 am
“It’s only a 100 miles from me. I’ll have to behave myself, though. I saw a Giant fan get punched in the mouth unprovoked in ‘81 in the Vet Stadium park lot after the Giants beat the Eagles in a playoff game.”
bod, I’m in South Jersey, just 20 miles, maybe even closer by October as I’m looking for a house closer to Philly, but I got your back!
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Thanks, dude, may need you
MLB confirms Penny’s release
Where does he go?
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Back to the Dodgers?
Or rather, I stand by my statement of the team playing with a sense of urgency. Personally, I think that Jeter is leading the way, even though other leaders have emerged in the clubhouse.
So, laugh at the concept, but it’s one that I’ve heard Giradi mention on at least one occasion.
And that would be Girardi.
m
August 27th, 2009 at 12:42 am
Nick,
It’s cute and fun to laugh, but there were people making definite proclamations that we would be doomed if we lost Jorge.
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“People” believe we would be pretty much sunk without Jorge
. “People” gave their reasons to support that belief. It was all very logical. And you see us winning any way.
Gee – hope we don’t have to face that situation but if we do, I sure hope you are right!
“How about we run Wakefield into oblivion? Who caught him tonight – anyone know?”
Martinez caught him tonight.
I’m kind of shocked by that. I figured they’d keep Martinez away from the knuckler for a bit.
Posada’s Foundation dinner this year is going to be honoring the 20 greatest living Yankee catchers.
After 10 or so, the falloff on the greatness scale could be big.
The thing about Andy is, he earned his way up to the majors and it shows. He wasn’t a bonus baby handed a lot of money and endless opportunities; he worked his way up each level of the minor leagues by being one of the most focused, driven, hardworking guys around. That kind of competitiveness has enabled him to outlast thousands of players of greater talent ceiling and build a career of tremendous accomplishments.
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That’s a good point.
You know Andy was only a few months older than Joba is now when he put together his best season. 21-8 and he barely lost the Cy Young to Pat Hentgen.
But Andy made over 100 starts in the minors prior to that.
Joba made 15 starts and only 1 at AAA.
Oh, now I’m catching on.
The “U” word was employed by m, and it was light-heartedly mocked. She then used my statement that we go down without Jorge as an example of something at least as mock worthy.
I was reacting to some guy saying pitching wins, not urgency. And that was the first I’d heard of it. It did remind me of purple prose columnists and soundbites from TV guys, who talk about a team’s urgency for a while, until the other team takes over the game, at which point they talk about THEIR urgency.
I have no fundamental problem with the idea that a team might use a sense of urgency to it’s advantage, though in baseball, I would probably use the word focus.
Aww, m, don’t be a grump. You will surely have noted that I agreed with you in principle: a loss of Jorge would not necessarily be insurmountable. It would just make things much tougher.
As for the urgency issue, maybe they are, maybe they aren’t. I think Jeter plays with more cool than urgency, but maybe it’s just semantics. I think they’re certainly feeding off of his torid hitting.
They had a lot more to be urgent about this time last year.
But I’m glad you think it’s cute and fun to laugh.
Rob B
August 27th, 2009 at 12:49 am
“How about we run Wakefield into oblivion? Who caught him tonight – anyone know?”
Martinez caught him tonight.
I’m kind of shocked by that. I figured they’d keep Martinez away from the knuckler for a bit.
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I guess they figured if the catcher is going to be baffled by the pitcher, let it at least be a catcher who can get even at the plate.
Bowden’s not big enough prey.
Wakefield would look nice on their mantle. I actually like the guy but it’s about time for him to wave bye-bye.
No, don’t think I was mocking anyone.
But I do believe the team believes the window of opportunity for certain older players is closing at what seems to be an increasing rate.
And yes, indeed, I do recall Girardi use the phrase, “sense of urgency”. Albeit it might have been with Francessa, so the sense of urgency may have been a subliminal one to quickly get off the line before Francessa starts asking about Yuse.
pat August 27th, 2009 at 12:50 am
Posada’s Foundation dinner this year is going to be honoring the 20 greatest living Yankee catchers.
After 10 or so, the falloff on the greatness scale could be big.
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What’s Butch Wynegar doing that night? How about Rick Cerone?
I hope they invite Sal Fasano just for laughs.
Weird thing is that Leyritz would be a good choice with the WS heroics but how awkward would that be? Like Pacino in Scarface when he’s drunk at the restaurant.
“Say goodnight to the bad guy!”
m
August 27th, 2009 at 1:04 am
No, don’t think I was mocking anyone.
But I do believe the team believes the window of opportunity for certain older players is closing at what seems to be an increasing rate.
And yes, indeed, I do recall Girardi use the phrase, “sense of urgency”. Albeit it might have been with Francessa, so the sense of urgency may have been a subliminal one to quickly get off the line before Francessa starts asking about Yuse.
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I meant polite kind of chiding, really. I already see that you’re a nice and not nasty poster.
I don’t know if the players consider their age as they press forward, but I sure do. Nothing would please me more than for our quartet of Andy-Mo-Jete-Po to win at least one more, and it would gladden me for Matsui to leave triumphantly.
FWIW, that’s sort of coachspeak, isn’t it? As a sports writer, .you kind of have to hang around after the “urgency” kind of comments and wait out something a little more illuminating. This is the MO of the NY Post, sort of lurk and take advantage of other people’s questions, and then close in after the crowd disperses. That’s why they don’t typically have the “urgency” type quotes in their stories.
Not that Girardi’s not being genuine – I’m sure Girardi has to sell “urgency” to his players for as many of their 162 games as possible – not an easy task, I’m sure.
Reporters joke among themselves when players say stuff like “We’ve got a great bunch of guys in the room…” Doesn’t mean it isn’t true. It’s just, you know, boilerplate stuff.
Bronx Jeers
They may need to include Moeller and Cervelli to get to 20.
Kevin Cash, come on down?
I have to go to sleep, but does anyone know what happened to haiku artist in residence, Dynasty is Destiny?
Did he – or she- just vaporize one day?
I missed many IGTs here over the last few weeks – was he/she in here? I tried to scroll through and got dizzy.
On the ESPN telecast tonight, btw, (the only one I watched), Suttcliffe and O’Brien went on at length at the oft-overlooked importance of Posada and how much his absence last season hurt the team.
This was well before he left the game.
Is intensity like urgency in this context? Jorge sure plays with that.
pat August 27th, 2009 at 12:50 am
Posada’s Foundation dinner this year is going to be honoring the 20 greatest living Yankee catchers.
After 10 or so, the falloff on the greatness scale could be big.
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Maybe they can add in Higgie, Montero, Romine, Sanchez, Murphy etc. and put them at the Futures table. Even that Farhnam kid has begun to rake and has a great throw out rate.
Dynasty is Destiny has appeared much less frequently. I think he was here a bit Sunday niight? Recently, though.
fyi to the posada cheerleaders-
hes a .236 hitter in his postseason career
he’s 37 for 150 since 2003 which is .246
in the championship years where he played, these are his totals for the playoffs:
98: 5 for 28 .179 3RBI’s
99: 4 for 22 .182 5RBIS’s
00: 11 for 54 .204 5RBI’s
Not to mention his mediocre catching
Enough bout Posada being the key to winning a WS… please!
Matt Nokes, Jake Gibbs, Jim Leyritz, Jerry Narron, Brad Gulden. Cream Of The Crap….errr….Crop.
Mac Daddy, do you have any other purpose on this site than to tracs Posada? I’ve never seen it.
Is intensity like urgency in this context? Jorge sure plays with that.
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They’d be right, of course.
Jorge can be kind of scary, but I think that’s a good thing. Jorge’s in-your-face isms probably are a decent substitute for the banned spiked clubhouse coffee.
I also think people don’t see that Jorge can be as goofy and fun-loving as the next guy. Look at those tete-a-tetes with Mo. Those dudes get loopy when they hang out.
Posada and Jeter are always ribbing eachother, and when AJ pied Jorgie, Jorgie was laughing, yet someone on here said “Posada didn’t look too happy,” and I thought, “Wow. Nothing like contradicting what is actually caught on camera to fit your Stern Faced Jorge agenda.”
All of these people must be too young to remember Thurman. Talk about a non pc guy. Jorge’s a pussycat by comparison.
edited 98 totals:
fyi to the posada cheerleaders-
hes a .236 hitter in his postseason career
he’s 37 for 150 since 2003 which is .246
in the championship years where he played, these are his totals for the playoffs:
98: 5 for 22 .227 3RBI’s
99: 4 for 22 .182 5RBIS’s
00: 11 for 54 .204 5RBI’s
Not to mention his mediocre catching
Enough bout Posada being the key to winning a WS… please!
nick, dont get me started on jeter lovers!
and theres not really much else on this team to trash or talk about fixing…
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 27th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Dynasty is Destiny has appeared much less frequently. I think he was here a bit Sunday niight? Recently, though.
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There’s some published Haiku writer who uses baseball a lot. His stuff sounds very similar and I wonder if it’s the same writer.
Thanks and good nite board.
Mac Daddy must be on meth.
Then again, even that’s not a good excuse for his argument.
My own work in haiku cruelly ignored…
franco…got nothing better? look at the #’s!!
GB7,
Have you seen Corban Joseph live? And if so, do you have a handle on how talented his bat is?
Does he seem to be as natural a hitter as, say, Cano?
I understand he’s already adjusted to offspeed pitching very well.
Thanks.
I’ve got my eyes. That’s plenty good enough for this ridiculous discussion.
u mean whats fed to you as a yankee sheep and what you are told to believe? i get it
cant debate with ignorance!
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 27th, 2009 at 1:36 am
My own work in haiku cruelly ignored…
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I seem to recall you’d written a few that were clever, but you write more sporadically, if I recall.
Let’s hear one before I shove off.
Chris Widger for the all important “21st Man” award?
Whenever I hear the phrase playing with a “renewed sense of urgency” I always think it’s just code for “finally took their heads out of their arses”
I do miss the haiku’s but we might have pushed it a little too far. Dynasty’s were real though. Ours not so much.
Mac Daddy,
Lay off the drugs. It’s frying your brain.
There’s nothing logical that you can say to defend an argument stating Posada’s or Jeter’s lack of value to this team’s success.
You and Jim Pir-one should get together and go bowling.
1) batting average doesn’t tell the whole story about a player. neither does home runs. i’m not suggesting that posada has been among the all-time greats. but i AM saying that he’s been a damned good, winning ballplayer all along.
as for pettitte, i was one of the few who was saying prior to this season that pettitte was worthy of a two-year deal. i was right then, and i’m right now. he’s lost 2-3mph off of his fastball, sure. but he’s become a craftier pitcher in the interim. he’s as good now as he ever was, as he’s learned how to change speeds, spot his fastball, and break off a pretty darned good curveball over the past couple of years. he’s been winning games with an 89mph heater. he might well be able to do that until he’s 40. It’s not realistic to think he’d ever make it to 300, but 250 is well within reach. perhaps more important, he could easily go down as the winningest yankees’ LH of all time. that’d be a pretty impressive thing to tell one’s grandchildren about.
pettitte will never be looked back on as having been one of the game’s greats. but he’s had one heckuva career
So anyway, last season is just that. Last season.
I was just thinking to myself what is the defining image I have of the Yankees.
I think it’s when Jorge is on the mound, waiting for Rivera to trot in from the bullpen. When he arrives, Posada solemnly drops the ball into Rivera’s glove.
Another: if you’ve gone to a day game at the Stadium, Rivera’s figure makes an ethereal shadow on the sunlit mound that looks like something that hails from the imagination of Jacob Lawrence.
Sometimes, I don’t watch Rivera pitch, I watch the shadow pitch instead.
franco…like most yankee fans, you eat what is fed to them as truth when it really is nothing close to it…jeter does what he does well and has had playoff success…im not arguing that…im sticking to posada for now…look at the #’s, hes done crap. just the facts that most yankee fans either ignore or dont even know!
most players will hit much worse in the playoffs for obvious reasons. they are not hitting against #5 starters and scrub pen arms but the top 3 starters and best pen arms.
posada is a very good not great catcher. even at 38 he is top 5 catchers in baseball, the competition is not real good………..
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
August 27th, 2009 at 1:37 am
GB7,
Have you seen Corban Joseph live? And if so, do you have a handle on how talented his bat is?
Does he seem to be as natural a hitter as, say, Cano?
I understand he’s already adjusted to offspeed pitching very well.
Thanks.
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Yeah….Joseph is turning up the bat. Selective at the plate and the power is coming. Like the rest of the infielders coming up, though…..not good defensively. I’d love to see Mick Kelleher have an infielder’s camp for these kids. Somebody else to watch is the developing Honest abe almonte. Great outfield skills. Threw out two runners at home from center field tonight. Actually, he threw out one runner twice at home in the game. The good thing is that Joseph won’t be 21 until after the season and almonte just turned 20.
stuart,
Where would you rank Varitek? You know, considering he can’t catch the knuckleball.
If I constantly ate what was fed to me by the media, I would have gone off the deep end when the Yanks struggled against the Red Sox.
I also would have demanded Joba remain in the bullpen and advocating Hughes remain in the 8th inning guy for next season.
But I’m not. I’ve been a Joba and Hughes in the rotation guy all along.
Of course, I’d also be one of those people who insists Posada is the problem when a starter has a rough night since that has been repeated by the same media that supposedly feeds me.
So, guess what? You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. You don’t know a damn thing about me so don’t even pretend to try. You don’t know jack.
I’m not a typical fan. I can think on my own and I don’t need your help or anyone else’s.
Eff off and lay off the crystal meth.
My signature image of Posada is him standing at 2nd screaming with a clenched fist after he hit that bloop double off Pedro in the 2004 ALCS game 7.
I mean 2003 ALCS.
That other image was just a dream.
Jorge Posada
our own scapegoat of the dim
without him, the abyss
You must be thinking of another game. We swept that series.
franco…im sure you did most of those things at one point…the fact that you dismiss posadas horrible playoff #’s is enough for anyone to conclude your home grown yankee blinders and lack of rational…
keep making drug jokes…was lame the first time
Talk about the perfect building block!
Goodnight all.
Thanks, GB.
Re Joseph defense, have they moved him to 3B? What’s his problem – range? Not surehanded? Does he just not have a clue without a bat in his hand?
Almonte’s on my radar. Offensively, I understand he has the usual young player afflictions, power not showing much and high K rates. The arm and the range, though, much to look forward to. Are you able to get to the games?
Nick in SF in Larkspur
August 27th, 2009 at 2:01 am
Jorge Posada
our own scapegoat of the dim
without him, the abyss
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Haha, very timely
Bronx Jeers
August 27th, 2009 at 1:58 am
My signature image of Posada is him standing at 2nd screaming with a clenched fist after he hit that bloop double off Pedro in the 2004 ALCS game 7.
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Oh, yes! An enduring one, that!
Jorge 2003 ALCS numbers: .296/.367/.556 w/ .992 OPS.
Jorge OBP 2004: .417
2005: .474
2006: .563
His OPS in 2006 was 1.348, 1.012 in 2005.
Didn’t have good numbers in 2007. Nor did anyone not named Cano.
arod looked like he hit that ball pretty hard into his foot… but man…he always reacts with such a display of pain…
As long as we’re going down Jorge memory lane: How about Jorge pointing to his head while jawing with Pedro?
odzilla sr.
August 27th, 2009 at 2:17 am
arod looked like he hit that ball pretty hard into his foot… but man…he always reacts with such a display of pain…
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um…it probably hurt…
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
August 27th, 2009 at 2:10 am
Thanks, GB.
Re Joseph defense, have they moved him to 3B? What’s his problem – range? Not surehanded? Does he just not have a clue without a bat in his hand?
Almonte’s on my radar. Offensively, I understand he has the usual young player afflictions, power not showing much and high K rates. The arm and the range, though, much to look forward to. Are you able to get to the games?
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Joseph has decent range, just bad technique, in my opinion. Good arm, quick hands, but just needs to be taught. He’s playing 2nd and Garrison Lassiter is at 3rd. Pirela plays SS. Solid gap hitter and has speed, but, not a good base runner, yet…..(Bernie Williams?). Lassiter is not that advanced with the bat or glove. He’s barely holding his own. Hasn’t shown speed or power. Almonte is built like a fire plug (Kirby Puckett/Tony Gwynn body), but, man, can that kid run and a great arm.
that’s what i meant… it looked like it could have been pretty painful…his HBP /bumps and bruises reactions tend to be a bit more than the average ballplayer…
Mac Daddy,
Tino Martinez and others during the dynasty years weren’t regarded as great postseason players because of their numbers.
But Martinez had some really huge hits as well and his postseason numbers still don’t dismiss his value to the team during those years.
Posada is no different. Don’t care what his career postseason numbers look like. He’s still extremely valuable to this team – just as A-Rod is regardless of his October numbers in recent years.
Posada probably had the biggest hit of the 2003 ALCS until Aaron Boone stepped up to the plate.
So keep telling me about how much their postseason numbers suck. It doesn’t make a damn bit of difference. None of that means they don’t need them if they want to win in October.
But I guess being level-headed about this sort of thing is not the norm when it comes down to analyzing numbers of the past as you are.
You can take your stats and stick them where the sun doesn’t shine.
TY GB7 for that detailed scouting report.
franco…never said he didnt have “moments” hes there often enough, hes bound to have some success…my point is keep it in perspective…people who think we couldnt win without him in oct are crazy.
Scott Brosius was known as a big post season player, but, looking at his numbers, he pretty much was pretty bad. Take a peek at clutch post season Graig Nettles’ numbers.
Apparently walking in our friend’s world is irrelevant in the postseason.
Well, then…
Off to bed for me.
My goodnight wish: AJ revives his changeup tomorrow.
Pleasant OPS dreams.
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
August 27th, 2009 at 2:31 am
TY GB7 for that detailed scouting report.
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No problem, Bod. Just don’t come screaming at me if these guys like Almonte and Joseph bomb and Lassiter becomes a superstar. I’m strictly amateur. I can’t understand why teams aren’t banging on my door seeking my advice. after all, I picked Seth Fortenberry and Eric Duncan to explode on the scene. All they did was blow up.
Reviewing October numbers of the past is not a good way to predict a player’s future performance this October.
If that was the case, the Yanks might as well pack up for the winter now since virtually nobody on the Yanks have played well in October over the last few years and Sabathia doesn’t have much success either.
All of it means jack this year. You can fertilize your flower garden with those stats from the past whether the numbers are good or bad.
franco, agreed…most people though think hes had good #’s and base their arguement for this teams success on them
Lol. Thanks. I was briefly excited about Fortenberry myself
brosius was a WS mvp and had 4, maybe 5 good playoff series
did his job
Posada, Martinez, Brosius and Nettles may have overall bad numbers, but, they picked their spots to do something memorable.
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
August 27th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Lol. Thanks. I was briefly excited about Fortenberry myself
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I still like Fortenberry. What an outstanding outfielder. I still think he’ll turn it around. Very good speed and big time power. Something’s just not clicking this year.
The thing with Fortenberry is that he is 26. He should be at his physical peak and he can’t hit over the Mendoza line at AA. It doesn’t look like he is going to figure it out.
I wonder if it wouldn’t be the right move to bring back Andy next season…
Unless something bad happens in the next two months, Pettitte will be a Yankee in 2010.
i think we might be looking at a pettite return in 2010, if wang can’t actually come back most of the way. the other prospective FAs don’t inspire much enthusiasm. of course, we can always have ian and kei lighten up our postgame shows
very interesting how great pettitte is pitching.
clemmens must be jealous
wang they are saying will be out for a year wich kills most of 2010 for him
i have a question, if not answered here i’ll carry it oveer to the next thread.
what does it mean to “rediscover your cutter”. I have read this phrase several times in the past few days referring to Andy.
bardos
August 27th, 2009 at 7:17 am
i have a question, if not answered here i’ll carry it oveer to the next thread.
what does it mean to “rediscover your cutter”. I have read this phrase several times in the past few days referring to Andy.
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imo only.
it could mean a combintion of things like throwing it more effectively.
maybe throwing it more,period.
cone said on yes that pettitte calls more of his own game now.
pettitte is setting batters up much better now,feeling healthier & looks great.
he has pitched some big games this year in hostile environments
pettittes cutter is getting a lot of huge double plays.
he is comfortable pitching with a lot of runners on base.
for the first time last night i was not nervous with pettitte pitching with men on.
someone pointed out that pettitte always allowed a lot of base runners but usually gets out of it & i noticed it last night after all these years.
Andy got a lot of ground ball outs including all those DPs. Joba should take note- use your defense, you don’t have to try to strike everyone out.
From Jack Curry, NYTimes:
“Three months later, Holland still has not conquered the Yankees. Posada hit a three-run homer, but his finger is a concern. Jerry Hairston Jr. homered in the fourth to give the Yankees a four-run edge. Unlike Chamberlain, Pettitte, the pitcher who pursues perfection, never lost it.”
Ouch… but oh so true… even still, I can’t believe I’m still stewing over that stupid Swishy bunt attempt…
Andy rediscovering his cutter means his cutter has the movement again to make it effective. Before, his cutter was flat and didn’t have the horizontal movement necessary to miss bats or make weak contact (ground balls). Last night was a good example of a cutter when it’s on. It moves so much the hitters miss or can make only feeble contact.
bru
August 27th, 2009 at 7:43 am
for the first time last night i was not nervous with pettitte pitching with men on.
someone pointed out that pettitte always allowed a lot of base runners but usually gets out of it & i noticed it last night after all these years.
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Joba should take note and learn not to get unravelled with runners on. Strike outs are nice, but ineffecient. Strike out pitchers have a tendency to throw too many pitches. If Joba would just suck in some of the oozing ego, and learn from Pettitte/CC, he could become not only more efficient, but a better pitcher.
http://www.bostonherald.com/bl.....or-wagner/
Red Sox release Brad Penny…
Too bad, I thought he made a great Red Sock… 
Whew, I had a dream that Mo needed TJ surgery……never so glad to wake up, lol
How can the Sux release Penny!!!!
Yellow Teeth Gammons and NESN said that Penny, Smoltz, and Baldelli were the acquisitions of the off-season because of how great they were and that the Red Sox had a better off-season because they signed such quality guys a low prices!!!!
now that’s dedication… my dreams usually involve me being an ambidextrous 100mph with 4+ pitches pitcher for the yankees… that and something about 30+ world series titles and growing…
i think job needs a contact pitch.
every pitch he throws is to avoid contact
How many more RS pitchers do you think the Yankees can get rid of? Maybe Beckett will be next, he didn’t pitch well in his last outing! (just dreaming)
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....l-yankees/
Just because Jorge can play doesn’t mean he’s going to be the same guy ……
But Posada said a week off would not make a difference. When he said he needed rest for the finger to heal, he meant that he needed extended rest for the swelling to subside and for the finger to be pain free.
“I don’t think it’s going to heal until the season is over,” Posada said. “The joint is bruised. There’s not much I can do.”
Penny, Smoltz, and Baldelli have done nothing for the rs this year
wake will help but unless becket gets better & buchol can be decent it will be tough.
at the very minimum becket & lester need to be lights out
their pen is not s stable,inconsistent offense & if big poppi didnt re emerge they would be long gone
Betsy, you even worry in your dreams!
If Andy were pereceived to have been a power type guy, 250 would be far more likely to earn him HOF. Even when a young man I don’t ever remember thinking of him as a power guy as opposed to a guy who uses everything he has. No 96 mph heat to rely on. Power guys are just more memorable i think.
Bryan
“How can the Sux release Penny!!!!
Yellow Teeth Gammons and NESN said that Penny, Smoltz, and Baldelli were the acquisitions of the off-season because of how great they were and that the Red Sox had a better off-season because they signed such quality guys a low prices!!!!”
Brian, i will try to help you out here. while i may agree with your premise, you demean your own arguments by 1) calling the red sox “the sux”, 2) attempting to insult peter gammons based on a facial feature he may or may not possess and 3) using 4 exclamation marks at the end of your posting.
sounds like someone ranting. never a good method of making your point on the internet. good luck in future.
If it wasn’t mentioned,MLBtraderumors,is reporting Brad Penny ASKED to be released from the RS,and his wish granted.
arod at dh tonight??
with posada out do you think girardi sits arod ?
joba:
we have all been talking about joba for months, innings limit, joba rules, etc.
apart from the fact that for a young arm, pitching X number of innings more in one season than pitched in the previous season has XX% more chance of producing a long term injury, the other side of this coin is that if a pitcher surpasses by many his innings total of the previous season, his arm is just simply not up to the effort. all this to say that Joba’s arm may actually be tired and not up to strength.
just a possibility.
Now that Pettitte is 3rd in wins as a Yankee, do you think he will be in Monument Park? It still seems like a reach but what do you think? How about Posada?