Penny could soon be in play
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ESPN is reporting that the Rockies, Giants and Marlins are interested in Brad Penny, who will become a free agent once he clears waivers.
He has been put on release waivers by the Red Sox. It is unlikely that any team will claim Penny off waivers given they would have to absorb the remainder of his contract — roughly $1 million. By waiting until he’s a free agent, Penny can be had for the prorated minimum for the rest of the season.
The Post reported that the Yankees have an interest. The Yankees claimed Penny off trade waivers earlier this month, but that could have been a blocking move.
Penny seems like a classic type of pitcher who would fare far better in the NL than the AL. But he could represent an upgrade over Sergio Mitre, who starts Saturday.
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yanks just screwed the mets by claiming carter. loving it
Let’s see if the White Sox have any effort tonight, or if it’s all saved for this weekend.
They did not bother to take any pitches v. Tim no idea where the ball’s going Wake.
I don’t understand why the Yankees would be interested in a pitcher who did not have recent success in the AL East. Unless they think he simply was not happy in Boston? Days and days of posts about how Penny is worthless, and now, the Yankees should have an interest? I don’t think so.
Repost, because I ALWAYS seem to be the last or second to last to post in a thread.
The only positive to take out of this game is that the Yankees have been a resilient bunch and tomorrow really is another day.
Can we please lay the Posada/Molina/Cervelli discussion to rest? It’s so contentious that I literally get agita as I’m skimming the game posts. It’s like a constant bickering. I don’t understand why it has to come up every time Molina (or anyone else) catches; yet, Posada catches most of the games, and nothing is said when he catches a great game. All of the catchers have been involved in some great games and some not-so-great games. I beg, beg, BEG, this this topic be avoided in the future. It really takes away from my enjoyment of this blog.
So, two days ago it was the pitching that failed; today is was mostly the offense. AJ was very, very good. Though, walks hurt him, as they usually do. The bullpen (well, Phil Coke) put the nail in the coffin, but the offense never really got it going. Perhaps if the score stayed at 3-2, something might have happened, but I just never got that vibe today. 7 walks and 1 run – how do you let a pitcher off that easy? And Phil Hughes needs to pitch more or he’s going to be extremely rusty, no?
I hope the White Sox have a good game in them tonight, because then, at least, no harm, no foul, and in fact, the Rangers gain back some ground in the WC. However, are people still sure they want to face them in the playoffs?
Frankly, I think the Yankees are capable of defeating ANYONE they come up against in the playoffs, but I believe there will be at least one game per round where they will look like a team that should be anywhere but in the playoffs. That’s how the season has gone, it seems.
At least Scotty Pod made an effort last night, and his first AB tonight, it was a nice professional piece of hitting to the oppo field, but an out.
I cant wait to see Thome. There’s no wonder why Jim Weasel Rice likes Thome for the HOF. Must be because Thome doesnt show up against them.
And thus, Godwin’s law was invoked by the very first comment in the thread.
LOL @ what the yankees did to the mets! haha
but back to Penny…i would sign him in a heart beat!! He has pitched in the post season…having success at times. He has good stuff (mid to upper 90’s FB..couple of breaking pitches that could keep you honest)
but most important…i don’t want to see Sergio Mitre throwing another pitch for the new york yankees…EVER!! i know mitre pitches sunday and penny clears on monday…but i don’t care…Mitre has no buissness starting games on the ML level!
Doreen, I think you’re whistling in the dark, but good luck. As long as people on this blog are vocal in their belief that someone other than Jorge Posada should be catching more games, there will be other people responding.
When you said ’stirring the pot’ earlier, I didn’t think you were making a culinary reference.
Remember when the Sox wanted Javy Lopez in 2006. They waited until after the season to give them Adam Stern. They work around the rules in whatever way suits them.
Looks like Danks is showing 0 effort.
Oooh, popped up on a 3-1 pitch with 1 on 0 out. Caught! 1 out. Thanks Dustin for helping Danks out.
I actually like Remy, but he is starting to make me feel sick. He came back solely to try to inspire the Sox and/or help spur them to start winning. Come on Remy, lick, lick, lick, because the Sox dont get enough cleanings from everywhere else.
Nick in SF -
Indeed, it was not a culinary reference, though it was ostensibly taken as one.
Good post Doreen.
I agree with you regarding Posada/Molina/Cervelli-gate(?)
But I don’t think it will ever go away.
Can the white sox win a game? Please?
Posadagate might not go away but I think Molina will after November.
I don’t like Penny but for the rest of the season he could start, with this offense 4-5 runs in 6 innings is not good, but better than what the other guys are giving. Most importantly Penny could spell innings for the other starters and give a much needed spell of rest to enter the post season fresh. He also is currently healthy and the Yankees don’t have to give up anything to get him.
red sox have beat up on the white sox this year, while the yankees have had issues. I wouldn’t worry too much. Sox are headed into a series with the Rays who own them. Yankees just need to keep plugging away the way they have. They will be fine.
I hope Erica and Betsy had fun at the Youuuuuuse signing
we blew it with tomko
Please tell me Tazawa finally gets tagged. His stuff is really not very impressive.
Nick,
Just read your post, and I must be dense because I still don’t get it.
I responded in the manner I did because it seemed that you were saying that this is what it’s like to have Jose in the lineup. But Jose’s not the sole culprit today. Rather unfair to single out Jose. And you did.
And then you came back at me with how AJ did. Were you trying to make a connection with Jose there, too? Because I didn’t read it that way.
So, I’ll chalk it up to a big misunderstanding. You’re way to smart for me, and I don’t often get your serpentine line of thinking.
Which is a shame, because in a matter of like a day you’ve gone to the top LoHud poster I’d like to meet to like #67.
Hopefully the W.Sox can win a game tonight. Danks has very good stuff, so I think he can pitch a good game. But the W.Sox lineup has to actually score some runs. Which they have had a lot of problems doiing.
Ha the Yankees placed a waiver claim on Chris Carter, the guy the Sox were sending to the Mets for Wagner. Throwing a wrench in there. Too funny
W.Sox have 1st and 3rd no one out, hopefully they actually score the runner on 3rd.
From El Duque over at “It Is High”
YANKS HONOR KENNEDY BY DONATING GAME TO TEXAS
New York – To honor the late U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy, the Yankees today donated to the Texas Rangers a victory in the American League Wild Card race.
“We felt it was the right thing to do,” manager Joe Girardi told reporters. “Senator Kennedy always stood up for the downtrodden, and frankly, we have enough wins. We have more than we need. We thought of sending money or making speeches, but in the end, playing putridly, giving up seven runs and failing to hit with runners in scoring position seemed right.”
Texas officials expressed gratitude over the Yankees’ generosity.
“They shout class in every way,” manager Ron Washington said. “They could have pitched Phil Hughes, but they brought in Phil Coke instead. That’s having top shelf priorities. We are thankful for the chance to play them on this memorable day.”
Nick in SF -
The worst part of it for me is I like Molina. I think the Yankees are extremely fortunate to have such a good backup catcher. And therein lies the controversy.
re: Penny. Can’t see him going to the Dodgers or the Yankees.
The Rox are intriguing, the Fish are out of it.
The Giants would be the dark horse.
I think Penny runs as fast as he can from the AL.
mmm…red WHIPS is one of my favorite candies…
Tazawa is so like Dice K so far. Gets into heaps of trouble but seems to wiggle out of it. That won’t last, his stuff is no where as good.
I take that back, Nix makes him pay 3-0 white sox
W.Sox actually get a big hit. Now up 3-0.
m, I have to take care of something right now, I’ll give a longer response in a little while. But hey, #67 out of hundreds or thousands is still pretty good!
Doreen: I am also a Jose Molina fan. I’m not so troubled by anything said here either way, I just like to fight for truth and decency.
just a matter of time
Wiggling over
yummy, yummy, more WHIPs…
White SOx up 4-0.
Interesting about Penny. Reminds me of the time the Yanks acquired Bellhorn after Sux released him. “The Curse of the Bellhornio.”
As the W. Sox announcer just said “it is 4 nothing good guys”. He is nuts lol
4-0 White Sox. Beauty. Rios not even playing. I actually like Rios but doesn’t seem the change of scenery is helping at all
And a man on third as Voctor Matinez plays catch with the center fielder.
Another runner on third.
Nick in SF -
Keep up the good fight. I’ve no stomach for it. I wish it would go away.
Hey Boston actually found a worse throwing catcher than captain america.
How does this whole claiming Carter thing work? Someone care to explain it to me?
Got my fingers crossed for the White Sox.
Good inning for the WHite Sox. Nearly came away with only one run, some two out hits right back at the Red Sox. Now if Danks can pitch like he is capable of. He has great stuff, but off a bit this year.
I can’t believe a cool cat like Denis Leary is a Red Sox fan…someone must have dropped him on his head as a kid.
I’m confused, what exactly did the Red Sox “do to” Penny that would make him want revenge?
Ugh. I heard a sound byte of when Leary was guest hosting. He was trying to bait Youkilis by backing him up. Like, “You guys are always getting hit. Blah, blah, blah.” But Youkilis is not dummy, he didn’t give Leary what he wanted.
Denis Leary was born and raised in Worcester, Massachusetts
Good story about Leary. The guy I work with was flying back from London during the Aaron Boone game and Leary was on the plane next to him with a buddy. So they talk a bit, the guy from work is a Mets fan, but knew about the game. So Leary goes don’t tell me what happened, we taped it and are going to watch it when we land. I don’t want to hear a thing. I am sure he must have been happy watching that game in reply!!! My friend was dying to tell him. He said in person though he’s very nice and normal.
Sorry, I’m not drunk. But for the life of me, I don’t know what’s with all the typos.
*no dummy
Who is this “Carter” person and why would the Yankees claim him? (Since I doubt it had anything to do with the Mets.
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Mike Lowell=dinosaur, dinosaur ancient enemy of man…
Cash claiming Carter is just him messing with Theo and the Mets. The Mets will still get the player but now they have to wait until after the season. It is like high school drama lol
Once again W.Sox have 1st and 3rd no one out…Time to get some more runs…
For Staten Island, Deangelo Mack has a 1-1 night with a homer, sac fly and 3 RBI. Neill Medchill is 1-1 with a walk and a solo homer.
In Tampa, in the 1st game, Brandon Laird was 2-3 in the win with a double. In game #2, he has a solo homer.
At Trenton, Eduardo Nunez is 2-2 with 2 doubles, 1 RS, 1 RBI. The best thing is, he hasn’t added to his league leading 30 errors at short stop.
At Scranton, Jackson is 0-2. Slump continues. Miranda has a 2 run homer (19).
White Sox could put a big number on the board. I would have been so frustrated seeing Tazawa pitch out of things again. He simply is not that good and has no pitch that is outstanding, not sure what the hype was about.
It was leaked that Carter was one of the PTBNL in the Wagner trade. The Yanks claimed him so the Sox have to pull him back and can’t complete the trade until after the season. Why it throws a monkey wrench into things is the Mets may need bodies at this point and might ask for a different PTBNL.
Did anybody see “The Curse Of The Bambino” ?
About the Red Sox woes for 86 years?
Dennis Leary gives the best quote.
Something like:
“If you told my father…That one day Wade Boggs would be riding around Yankee Stadium on the back of a horse…celebrating the Yankees winning the Word Series? …He’d be ******* rolling over in his grave”
See RISP…why couldn’t we do that today?
So frustrating…hope CC has it tomorrow…Buehrle is no easy assignment
7-0 good guys….
Is our pitching schedule for the CWS series CC, Joba and Mitre?
Carlos !!!! 7-0 nice.
Still early but the Good Guys can hold a 7 run lead, can’t they?
Ozzie might spontaneously combust if they don’t so it will be entertaining either way
LOL @ Tazawa. He hits Quentin and next time up, Carlos takes him over the monstah.
I’m getting full on red WHIPs, but I want more, more, more.
Francona going to let Tazawa put this game away more than likely. Of late he is very conscious about overusing his pen in any game and the effect that might have on the games after. He almost simply gives up on games. Like leaving Traber in that game against us.
Still trying to figure out what sort of person would consider Denis Leary “a cool cat”. He’s a jerk…lacks humor….lacks talent of any sort. He’s the Ken Harrelson of comedy.
GreenBeret,
“Rescue Me” (in my opinion anyhow) is one of the best shows on television today. I’ve been a fan since day one.
I heard Wagner will be in uni tonight. Don’t think he’ll be wasting any of his bullets tonight.
Tazawa getting shelled
pat -
I’m not too sure I understand. How does it help the Yankees if the Mets choose another player?
And if the Yankees get Carter, what exactly are they getting?
I’d go after Penny only because it’s an upgrade over Mitre & Gaudin
Hits keep on coming for CWS….
LOL at that rundown!
Penny still throws really hard. He can’t be much worse than Gauditre.
Tazawa’s thinking, “make it stop!”
8-0. Come on make it 10.
“Can we please lay the Posada/Molina/Cervelli discussion to rest? It’s so contentious that I literally get agita as I’m skimming the game posts.”
doreen-
didn’t the whole thing start because some females on the blog liked cervelli’s eyes?
how can anyone take it seriously as a baseball argument?
Nothing like Boston home scoring. How could that not be an error on Pedroia for dropping the ball on a sure out?
A White Sox win would be sweet, sweet, sweet.
Everybody had to know the Yankees lost today and this a chance to pick up a game as well as stay even in the WC race.
Could be another stake in the heart of those bloodsuckers.
this is the problem with the Sox team. Any momentum they get can be squashed quickly when you throw a guy like that out there. Bucholz, Wakefield and Tazawa pitching could end a few game winning streak. Wakefield I only say because of the injury. We have a lead and don’t like having Mitre or Gaudin, but that’s a fifth starter. It means if Beckett doesn’t bounce back soon they are hosed unless they score 7-8 runs a game. They need to win all the Beckett and Lester starts
Was at the game today…AJ was royally screwed.
One mistake. Three runs.
Should not have been put in that spot if not squeezed by the ump
Too many wssted opportunities by NYY – Nippert threw like a clown – 199 pitches in 4 innings – but couldn’t get put away.
Oh well…8-0 CWS
Are Red Sox saying, “Hey! Tazawa’s only 23!”
I actually think Tazawa is competing well out there. He clearly doesn’t have his best stuff, but is still battling and making his pitches
8-0 is nothing in Fenway, it’s like 3-0, so he has kept them in the game so far and given their offense a chance.
99 pitches (only seemed like 199)
Tazawa doesn’t have his best stuff? When does he ever? Yankees let him off the hook during his win. The point with him is, his stuff simply isn’t that good. Low 90s straight fastball. A mediocre curve? There is nothing he throws that will consistently get anyone out. He’s a right handed Igawa.
I put this in the other thread by accident. But you can see it there. Just putting it here because I’m getting closer to the predicted score!
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I am here to guess on the final score of the Sux game.
11-2 White Sox.
It sure looks like Tazawa has been figured out. Now we see whether he is poised enough to come back and shut things down or whether he gets pounded.
I vote the second.
Oh yeah, this is why Big Fat is doing well. Now that he’s off the hook for ‘roids and nobody is tracking him down like a dog, a la Arod, and now that it appears that the goverment is going to have to hand over the results and they will be destroyed, Big Fat is fat and happy.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Wonder if Wagner will stand near Papelcrap in the bullpen.
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Aww Doreen, sorry that you don’t like Posada talk. Tell the Posada people to button it when he’s catching then and to stop all the stupid “Posada Truthers” talk and then probably the other side won’t feel the need to come back when Molina is catching. Otherwise I’m afraid you won’t get it to stop! See I believe in fairness, and if it’s okay for Pete et al to make nonstop silly comments (I guess Posada made that call from the dugout yuk yuk yuk) when things are going bad, then you can’t bet that the opposition will take its shots when it gets the opportunity. Or do you think it’s only fair for the talk to go on when the Posada people are getting their shots in?
As long as the stupid talk continues and they all keep getting juvenile shots in game after game after game, then you can imagine that people who feel they are being maligned behind the shots that are being lobbed will find a way to get even. It’s the law of the jungle.
Doreen, did you make the same kind of plea when the Joba to the pen, Joba as starter talk was going on forever and ever and ever? I found that whole topic boring so I just ignored it. But that basically never ended. I am just wondering if you are more sensitive to this topic because you took a proPosada position from the start, because you did.
Nick, of course I knew it wasn’t a culinary reference, duh. I just played along.
And 8-0 in the third is not keeping your team in the game.
I would view Penny’s F U to the fans as he walked off the mound Fri night as a danger sign. He’s not the pitcher he was a couple of years ago and he hasn’t adjusted to that fact.
Why? we have a bunch of other peoples garbage, Mitre, Gaudin, Marte and Hinske, why add the Red Sox trash. Didn’t the Yankees score 6 runs off htis clown the last time they played.
I’ve got nothing against Tazawa, but I hope the Red Sox get their karmic payback for breaking a gentleman’s agreement between the Japanese league and mlb.
8-0 in the 4th. WOW!
When did the Sox sign Igawa?
Penny really wasn’t that bad. He made 24 starts this season and gave up 3 runs or less in 15 of them. In 3 others he gave up 4 runs. At this point a lot of people would be an upgrade over Mitre. But I am sure he will be smart and go to the NL. Probably the Rockies.
Doreen
It doesn’t help the Yankees, it’s just Cashman playing games. SOrt of Brian Cashman for the block in a game of Hollywood Squares.
If the Mets want Carter, the Sox will pull him back and complete the trade after the season.
If the Mets want a body now, the Sox would have to substitute for a player they might be less happy to part with.
Tazawa seems to be having a wonderful night.
tazawa sucks !
Tell the Posada people to button it when he’s catching then and to stop all the stupid Posada Truthers” talk and then probably the other side won’t feel the need to come back when Molina is catching
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The problem is, there should be no “sides”. Last time I checked, both Posada and Molina played for the Yankees. HIP HIP JORGE AND HIP HIP JOSE!!!
Burnett wasn’t getting squeezed. He was missing the plate by inches and they didn’t give it to him. He also got some pretty well off of the plate. He made one, maybe two mistakes and it cost him the game. Mistake #1 was either walk to Hamilton or Cruz and mistake #2 was laying a straight fastball over the heart of the plate to Kinsler.
All the hype around these guys too, I wonder what Yu Darvish will look like when he finally arrives somewhere
i’m really hoping someone hires trisha soon.
Would love to see the Sox pen stretched thin again. No middle relief so has to use a boat load of guys to finsih this game if Tazawa exits soon. That’s where they miss Masterson
Rachel
August 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Penny really wasn’t that bad. He made 24 starts this season and gave up 3 runs or less in 15 of them. In 3 others he gave up 4 runs. At this point a lot of people would be an upgrade over Mitre. But I am sure he will be smart and go to the NL. Probably the Rockies.
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Doesn’t help to “only allow” 3-4 hits a game when you only pitch 5 innings and an occassional 6 innings, though, does it?
3-4 ***runs*** a game
Good thing no one overreacted to losing earlier and that no one worried boston would win tonight.
Well, good to see the Yanks were not the only ones to cough up a hair ball today.
9-0 White Sox in the 4th.
Let me preface this by saying I think AJ pitched well today but….
2 walks + 1 HR doesn’t = 1 mistake
1 bad inning maybe but more than 1 mistake
Oh, you mean…our lead hasn’t been slashed to 5??
Chris?
How can this be right?
P.S. Trisha, as I responded, right back at you
. Got in late so just replied few minutes ago.
Looks like little Dusty and his minions having a tough time tonight
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Texas is a formidable team. They are playoff calibre this year and that bullpen is pretty good. No shame in dropping a couple of games to them.
tazawa is like igawa. He doesn’t have good stuff. And Bucholz is average as well.
Francona more & more has had his pitchers “fall on the sword” rather than stretch the pen
9-0 white sox? how could that possibly be? i thought the white sox forfeited already and the red sox were just 5 games back?
Plus Penny is A N G R Y at the RS,He might be motivated.
They didn’t give him the courtesy of telling him he was leaving,he had to ask them for a release.
Looks like the 5th starter,,for the RS has hit a wall tonight.9-0 baby!
I really hope Randy one day realizes he isn’t the forum wizard despite having stood in a bullpen with some people who played in the game.
Or put it this way, maybe between Randy and someone else, I’ll listen to Randy but between Randy, and Cone and Leiter, hands down I’ll listen to Cone and Leiter.
And I don’t intend to work very soon so skip my posts if you don’t want to read them.
“9-0 white sox? how could that possibly be? i thought the white sox forfeited already and the red sox were just 5 games back?”
Thinking the same thing. Where is Chris? I think he/she said we would be 5 games ahead.
“Doesn’t help to “only allow” 3-4 hits a game when you only pitch 5 innings and an occassional 6 innings, though, does it?”
As a 5th starter it isn’t bad. I just think he is an upgrade over Mitre.
anybody see matt who guaranteed a rs win.
peekaboo matt i know yer there
Penny is not that bad, and he’s certainly an upgrade over Mitre/Gaudin. He seems a bit too wedded to his fastball, but he’s a decent 5 – 6 innings pitcher.
Tagawa is having a quality start tonight.
Oops, did I misspell is name? Silly me.
OH!! OH!!. Boston’s starting their comeback. They got an infield single from Ortiz with only 2 outs.
Boston has been very cavalier about tossing players aside this year. Their lack of patience is beginning to rival Big Stein’s from years back.
Bod, this is indeed very very good. And it allows Texas to make some ground in the Wild Card race. It turns into a win win then, yes?
Bay 122 ks , yikes. A lot of games left.
“OH!! OH!!. Boston’s starting their comeback. They got an infield single from Ortiz with only 2 outs.”
trisha-
you don’t know much about the craft of baseball so it’s hard to take you seriously.
because you have a legal mind you have the ability to argue about nothing .
that’s a great skill to have , but it has nothing to do with baseball.
ZMAN7777
August 27th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Penny is not that bad, and he’s certainly an upgrade over Mitre/Gaudin. He seems a bit too wedded to his fastball, but he’s a decent 5 – 6 innings pitcher
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If that is true why did the RS, a team that needs pitching release him?
Well, I just got back from meeting Erica and Phil…………
MaineYankee — Please don’t tell me you prefer Mitre over Penny? I’d rather have a Penny than no money at all.
Betsy
August 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Well, I just got back from meeting Erica and Phil…………
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Did you get Erica’s autograph?
ZMAN7777
August 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
MaineYankee — Please don’t tell me you prefer Mitre over Penny? I’d rather have a Penny than no money at all.
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I saw nothing at all to lkie about Penny.
I’d rather be Pennyless.
Details Betsy Details!
like
Where’s Jim Pir-One with the Sox down by 9?
Yo Jimbo… Are you out there?
He’s probably busy digging up articles that link Ted Kennedy’s passing to a Red Sox sympathy movement.
Betsy August 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Well, I just got back from meeting Erica and Phil…………
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We need to hear details and I hope someone took pics.
Maine, yes…..but I lost it, lol
There’s not much to tell, but what there is, I’ll put in the new thread.
Romulo Sanchez was outstanding in his 7 inning start for Scranton. 7 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 2 walks, 9 strikeouts.
Great job Drew ! Using that stupid pesky pole.
Man I hope the Yankees get somebody better than Mitre.If Penny comes I hope he pitches like a CY cintender,Anger is a strong motivator,especially when you feel you’ve been wronged.I see can’t~hit~itis~ is contagious today.
did erica wear her gtlu t- shirt ?
They’re mounting a come back,oh noz!
White Sox are falling apart. They aren’t ready for the big stage ( The Postseason).
“you don’t know much about the craft of baseball so it’s hard to take you seriously.”
Seriously? Because I’m kind of thinking that you’re way behind the times in life and are stuck in a time warp. I do a lot of observing about the game of baseball and also listen to the people who are more current in their thinking. Again, Cone and Leiter don’t lend much credence to your cather argument, so you know I have to go with them.
“you don’t know much about the craft of baseball so it’s hard to take you seriously.”
You won’t mind if I disagree with you would you? Because I don’t feel the need to fill cyberspace with endless posts doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about!
“because you have a legal mind you have the ability to argue about nothing .”
Yeah it is a skill they teach us in law school.
“that’s a great skill to have , but it has nothing to do with baseball.”
I agree it’s a great skill to have, and I apply it when talking about my position on any baseball issue.
Because you may not agree on my take does not mean my take is wrong. Now I will leave it by saying I respect your right to think the way you do about anything at all, but I also will assert my right to disagree with your position at any time.
Perhaps if some of you humble yourselves enough to realize you’re not gods, especially when you’re espousing something that is in direct opposition to a philosophy put out by people who play in the majors, you’ll learn to merely say “I respect your opinion but I don’t agree with it” and leave it at that. Trying to tell someone they don’t know anything just makes you look pompous and isn’t conducive to having a discussion be put civily aside.
JMO
Romulo Sanchez
who is he ??
can he pitch for us now ?
By the way, I did predict two Sux runs. So I think it will have to stop right here.
“I saw nothing at all to lkie about Penny.
I’d rather be Pennyless.”
See MaineYankee, we can agree on things!
Trisha -
Let me put it this way. I respect your opinion about Posada. However, I feel like you bait people. I want to be clear that I am saying that the bickering itself is what is upsetting, not the opinions.
I don’t know why, but the Joba stuff doesn’t compare, at least not for me. It’s almost amusing.
Maybe it’s because Joba’s entire tenure has been controversial, and his tenure itself hasn’t been all that long.
Posada is a fixture and the emotional attachment there is stronger, in my opinion, and is an easy target.
JUST BEAUTIFUL!!!!!
Good job Ellsbury, you showboater.
“Perhaps if some of you humble yourselves enough to realize you’re not gods, especially when you’re espousing something that is in direct opposition to a philosophy put out by people who play in the majors, you’ll learn to merely say “I respect your opinion but I don’t agree with it” and leave it at that. Trying to tell someone they don’t know anything just makes you look pompous and isn’t conducive to having a discussion be put civily aside.”
This getting good. Better than anything on TV.
Randy your turn.
fill cyberspace ?
big chunk gone now
j/k
dont hurt me
Looks like little Ells wasn’t quite swift enough.
bru -
Tarheelyank
August 27th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
“Perhaps if some of you humble yourselves enough to realize you’re not gods, especially when you’re espousing something that is in direct opposition to a philosophy put out by people who play in the majors, you’ll learn to merely say “I respect your opinion but I don’t agree with it” and leave it at that. Trying to tell someone they don’t know anything just makes you look pompous and isn’t conducive to having a discussion be put civily aside.”
This getting good. Better than anything on TV.
Randy your turn.
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you devil you
Awww Ellsbury out.
bru
August 27th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Romulo Sanchez
who is he ??
can he pitch for us now ?
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Big right hander that came over from Pittsburgh for Eric Hacker. Mid-90s fastball and slider/change-up. A lot of strikeouts, too many walks.
Doreen
I like the voice of reason.
I bait people??? Are you around in every single game when comments are made CONTINUALLY
funny youk was po’ed. Pedroia with a horrible baserunning mistake there, didn’t react to the past ball and then went anyway. Ellsbury was right to try and score as Pedroia was dead to rights.
This whole Posada hullabaloo jumped the shark some time in late July. Peoples opinions arn’t going to chance, so why wast bandwidth?
Tarheelyank
August 27th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
“Perhaps if some of you humble yourselves enough to realize you’re not gods, especially when you’re espousing something that is in direct opposition to a philosophy put out by people who play in the majors, you’ll learn to merely say “I respect your opinion but I don’t agree with it” and leave it at that. Trying to tell someone they don’t know anything just makes you look pompous and isn’t conducive to having a discussion be put civily aside.”
This getting good. Better than anything on TV.
Randy your turn.
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Be careful of what you say. In another life, I was St. Pompi, patron saint of know-it-alls. You could be struck by lightening at my slightest whim.
lets remember we are all yankee fans & want the same thing.
we celebrate together.
only opinions
“Doreen
I like the voice of reason.”
I love it when people who are on the same side of an argument pat each other on the back! I would have to say I’ve done the same thing though.
Doreen, all I have here is my opinion, but my opinion on this is that you are at least a little bit disingenuous because I haven’t hear you utter a peep when the shots fly around about “the Posada Truthers” or when comments abound that amount to shots against people who have taken the Molina/Cervelli defensive side, from Pete to Rconn to SJ to CB to anyone else who feels like making a baiting remark anytime Posada is catching and doing a good job. So you see, that’s why the bickering continues. Or when Molina is catching and someone throws out a comment that Posada must have called someone from the dugout, if something goes wrong. I have never heard you get on anyone about those comments and they go on continually.
So if I bait, it’s in response. And as long as it goes on from the other side, I will continue to feel I have the right to defend my position in kind.
Again, I can’t help but feel that since you early on took a proPosada position that you are being affected by this on a deeper level.
JMO, and I will say again for the record that I see Posada as a very valuable member of the team and think his bat is invaluable.
How about focus on laughing at Boston tonight?
Poor Youk – looked hopefully skyward, with high hopes for that high flyout that died in Quentin’s glove. Ditto Ortiz.
Of course, it would have been more useful for the ChiSox to win a close one and have to use their BP. Oh well.
Time to jump to another forum for a prospects draft.
Our 6.5 lead is safe
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“lets remember we are all yankee fans & want the same thing.
we celebrate together.
only opinions”
A-flippin-men to the max!
I have taken that position from day one. I will always respect someone else’s opinion and even might understand where they are coming from, even though I might not agree with the position. But I respect their right to feel the way they do and will defend that right to the death. I do like it though when I get the same back.
For the record I agree with Doreen. The whole thing is played out.
Posada is your starter and Molina is your back-up.
They both bring something very good to the table.
As Yankee fans, we are very fortunate to have them both.
But that’s boring. Where is Mr Pompous? Paging Mr.Pompous!
Trisha
You totally misunderstood what I was saying.
I don’t intend to discuss it any further though because I’m just plain tired of it.
If you stoped taking all comments as personal it would help.
“This whole Posada hullabaloo jumped the shark some time in late July. Peoples opinions arn’t going to chance, so why wast bandwidth”
Tom you are right. But I can tell you that this is one way that it always starts. Pete makes a snide comment, someone repeats that comment, and that gets people going.
I will be happy to refrain from baiting comments if the same is extended from team Posada. But I will make positive comments every day of the week if it looks like there is a tandem that is a great one. For example, I think Pettitte and Posada are inextricably linked as a team. That’s credit to their relationship!
“You totally misunderstood what I was saying.”
Well let me apologize for misunderstanding what you said.
And about taking it personally? As Randy pointed out, I get paid to argue – or I used to. I take nothing personally dear.
And now it’s ovah – til the next time.
“If you stoped taking all comments as personal it would help.”
And I don’t take all comments as personal. Just yours.
Trisha -
Look – I stated my opinion in the matter a long time ago. This has been going on a good part of the season. I stay out of most of the stuff because it’s just all the same all the time. I don’t even know what a Posada Truther is, for crying out loud.
Today, I was mostly away from the game and the computer. I had a lot of stuff to do. I caught the first part, as you know, and I commented in a good natured way that you seem to like to stir the pot. I meant it in a good natured way. I really did.
When I came back to the game thread, it was more and more and more of the same old, same old. It was like when my kids bicker. I hate it. Especially since no one wins and nothing is served. At some point, people risk not being taken seriously, and I don’t mean just you, on this issue.
I also tend to scroll through most of it, but today, even skimming, it was hard to take and I decided to ask both sides to stop. I am not asking for a pat on the back or anything else from anyone. I think we have all made quite clear our opinions on this and it would be nice if we could get to the end of the season calling a truce on this. And I don’t just ask that of you, I ask it of everyone.
You have also been baited, but today, I felt you did the baiting. And today is what I was reacting to. Maybe I should avoid game threads in the middle of a housecleaning day. I’m already starting from a place of exhaustion.
Trisha also for the record. I disagree(I think) with who is more deserving of being the starting catcher.
But I totaly agree with your comments regarding the snide comments and the pomposity in some of the “team Posada posts”
we are a much better team with posada catching because of his offense.
it keeps the circular offense going instead of a dead spot rally killer like molina.
he is a great backup but he is a backup for a reason
this is why he wont start much at all in the playoffs.
the slight defensive advantage you get with molina catching is not worth losing posadas production if there is an advantage.
most gms,coaches,etc will agree
a catcher only suggests pitches
“and I commented in a good natured way that you seem to like to stir the pot. I meant it in a good natured way. I really did.”
Doreen, I thought it was funny. I didn’t think you were being fresh or anything!
Tarheel – well between me and you I was probably a lot more adamant about thinking that Posada needed to be set aside earlier in the season, though I always felt he was needed in the lineup – just not always behind the dish. I have always felt that Molina should get more catching opportunities per week, and I still feel that way though it likely won’t happen absent an injury. I also wish that Girardi would use him more against teams that like to run. But I understand the value in Jorge as a Yankee.
“I don’t even know what a Posada Truther is, for crying out loud.”
To tell you the truth, I didn’t understand quite what it meant, just that it wasn’t meant to be a compliment.
Hey I came in there last night after having a tough day and I think I was a little testy because of it. It happens.
Is that Nick Green pitching????
the yankee offense plays well off one another & posada is a huge part of this.
molina does not fit well at all in their offense
this is painfully obvious
lets face it folks Molina cant hit. I mean your lucky if the guy goes 1 for 4 with a walk more then likely he normall is 0 for 4 with some strike outs. now granted he is an above average catcher but most post season or decent teams have a back up catcher that can hit and field decently. would it not make sense for us to go with Francisco Ceriveli? the guy is young, can hit (for power as well) is a heck of a catcher behind the plate and he has some speed on the bases!
no brainer Cashman designate Molina for assignment maybe Boston will claim him and he can go stink up fenway!
Let me be perfectly clear.I’m only tonight rooting for the CWS to put a goood old fashioned butt whipping on the RS.
As for as Posada,he Jeter Andy a MO are the core of the NY Yankees.Sure they put up withD,amon swing necked in the doorways,pie throwing,loud funke music,crazy wicked ninetido games,and the young buck’s antics.
But don’t think for one moment,they don’t have their eyes on the prize,#27/40.These guys are farm raised Yankees to the bone,not for nothing will they ever give up…it’s not in them,but they are older and HUMAN!
molina has a career .616 ops & posada is not a liability behind the plate
we are at a huge disadvantage playing molina over posada
this is as close to a fact as you can get
Boy these 2 out runs will kill you.
I wonder what Red Sox fans think of this game. Down 9-2 after 7 innings, game isn’t completely over (teams this year have come back from worse) and they put in fielding subs and put in an outfielder to pitch.
Nick Swisher was used by Yankees, but it was in the 9th inning losing by 10 runs, and the bullpen was pretty taxed.
I wish Joe would react that quickly when our pitchers are being lit up,and take them out.he waits until they bury the team in runs.
What’s wrong with the new rental Wagner try him out?
no brainer Cashman designate Molina for assignment maybe Boston will claim him and he can go stink up fenway!
Umm…Molina has 3,764.1 career innings and a CS% of 41. No one is DFA-ing Molina, or handing him over to Boston.
Thank You CWS,awh still 6 up all is right with Yankee universe.
anything is better then mitre starting
“But he could represent an upgrade over Sergio Mitre, who starts Saturday.”
hindsight, but i would have disagreed with you if i read this last week.