Johnny D – I agree with you about the Sux. I think I put my money more on the Rangers than on the Rays at this point, though you can’t count the Rays out. But Texas should definitely scoreboard watch when the Sux play the Rays in Tampa later this week. That’s the time both the Rays and the Rangers should make up ground. Also, I am hoping that the White Sox go home and grab some determination!
“You can say that Joba has to conserve energy for the later innings and therefore, cannot go all out. Well if that’s the case he belongs in the pen. His stuff, while there, is simply not good enough to be a starter. ”
It seemed to me that when Joba pitched well right after the break, it was because he wasn’t holding back. If he would just trust his stuff and go after guys, he would throw less pitches and go longer in games. Holding back doesn’t do much for conserving energy if it means throwing more pitches.
He needs to work faster to. I couldn’t believe how loooonnng his 6 pitch inning felt today.
If the Rays can’t take 2 of 3 at home against the Sox, I’m going to declare them out. They won’t be able to make up ground being 6.5 or 8.5 games out after that series.
# trisha – OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees August 30th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Johnny D – I agree with you about the Sux. I think I put my money more on the Rangers than on the Rays at this point, though you can’t count the Rays out. But Texas should definitely scoreboard watch when the Sux play the Rays in Tampa later this week. That’s the time both the Rays and the Rangers should make up ground. Also, I am hoping that the White Sox go home and grab some determination!
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I also am leaning towards the Rangers for the Wild Card. Or even winning the West and bumping LAA to the Wild Card. I posted about this last night. Texas has a very good record against their own division, including an excellent record vs the Angels. They’re not that far back, and with a lot of games in September in division, they could have a good month and overtake Boston and/or LAA.
To keep Joba stretched out, I think the Yankees should alternate normal and short starts for him. Assuming the Yanks stay in rotation 1-5 through September, Joba will get some extra days off because off off days. He should get 6 starts. Yanks can of course tweak this if they want to keep CC and others on normal rest, but I’m not assuming that.
9/4 Let Joba go 5 innings
9/9 Go with Joba for 4 innings
9/15 Joba for 5 innings
9/21 Joba for 4 innings
9/27 Joba for 5 innings
10/3 Joba for 3 innings for a playoff tune-up only.
That’s 26 more innings for the season and it puts him at 159 innings, one below 160, which would be the high end of the cap.
Why do people still insist on debating what Joba’s role should be?
There’s no chance he moves to the bullpen. Period.
They wouldn’t be going through this much trouble limiting his innings and screwing around with these Joba Rules if they had any kind of inkling whatsoever of putting him back in the bullpen at any point over the next year or two.
It’s not going to happen. Move on from this nonsense, already.
I hope the Blue Jays are this bad when we face them, because that was a weak performance against a washed up loser like Paul Byrd ( The guy from Frasier ) Cito Gasbag and his team of losers can’t even win one game.
Buckholz is good, and will only get better…..Hey, you can disagree with me, absolutley….I am on record that Boston is no chump team…..I was the one who keep writing that they were not as good as their record, however come October, The BoSox will not be rolling over……Tricia, you and I have been on different sides of the table many times over the past 3 seasons….I’m fine with that….I do see the Posada situation far differently though….
I hope the Blue Jays are this bad when we face them, because that was a weak performance against a washed up loser like Paul Byrd ( The guy from Frasier ) Cito Gasbag and his team of losers can’t even win one game.
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ya have to remember EVERY team in the league gets FIRED UP to play us. Playing us is their world series.
Rob B
August 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
“(Cokes pitch) Makes no difference in this game…”
Exactly. It decreased the lead to what, 5? Not really a big deal.
I’m not a big stat-head, so I don’t know the answer; but how many of Coke’s recent appearances have come with the Yankees leading? Has he really blown any close games? Or are his bad appearances mainly in games like today?
Also, is it just me, or does A-Rod look much better lately? He just seems a lot more comfortable at the plate and doesn’t look like he’s taking bad guess-hacks as much.
And Melky seemed to benefit from his day off yesterday. Please do that some more, Joe. But not too much.
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Not sure what his homer totals are in wins or losses, but, he was outstanding until being the only lefty in the pen for 3 months caught up to him. If Marte does the job, Coke can get some much needed rest, because NYY needs what he can and has provided for much of the year. The guy is still a rookie…maybe a bit older than a lot of rookies, but, not much MLB experience and a lot less in relief. Next year, he’s going to be huge in the pen. He’s got great stuff.
I would think that Rodriguez gets a DH day in Baltimore and a day off in Toronto. I doubt they want him on that turf for 3 straight games. He seems to have that right field and center field stroke down. The power will come. Hopefully, three or four in Baltimore will get his numbers back to a more level number. His average is climbing, too. He’s running the bases better and it appears that his range is getting a little better, too.
Some Yankee fans are underestimating the Red Sox, they need to respect their team’s chief rival as I expect the Red Sox to have some say as to who comes out of the AL playoffs this October.
Bucholz is a guy who is certainly capable of pitching a good game. But until he manages to beat someone other than Toronto this year, I won’t be impressed.
The way I see it, Boston gets the Angels, Yanks get Detroit….Good news is The Bombers only have to play either Boston or Anaheim rather than both of them…..
Wow – Can’t wait till the Red Sox hit the road. (Just saw the Bos/Tor “lowlites” ).
We went to the Trenton Thunder game today. Humberto Sanchez pitched the continuation of the suspended game. He gave up a solo homerun, but otherwise was domination. FAST fastball (no gun in Trenton) and great curve. He is HUGE. HUGE. Until you see him in person, you don’t know how HUGE he is. But, also, we’ve gone to a few Thunder games and seen a few different pitchers, and have never seen anyone with the stuff that Sanchez showed today. He threw 2 and 1/3 innings.
We left with the Thunder leading 2-0 in the main game of the day (we had my parents with us, who couldn’t take the sun – it was a GORGEOUS day for baseball. If it’s half as nice in SWB, I’m sure all you guys are having a great time there.) Apparently, according to Mike Ashmore’s blog, we left before the game got ugly. Ryan Pope had a rough first inning, but settled in nicely after that and the game was moving along well. Too bad.
I’m watching the highlights of the Yankees game now. Can’t wait to see the replay at 7 tonight. I didn’t know Joba was on 3 innings today. Whoa.
They (the media), are so trying to get the details from the players re: the Joba rules. Ha-ha! I loved Joba’s answer – not for public consumption!!!
It’s not respect for the Sox, just telling it like it is.
They aren’t that good away from home, their rotation scares noboby now that Beckett seems to have a mechanical issue, and the back of their rotation is a merry go round.
The only reason to hope if you’re a Sox fan is the last two weeks of the season.
I think the Yankees are playing so well, I don’t care who they’d have to play going forward!! But it would be nice to not have to go through both those teams.
“I also am leaning towards the Rangers for the Wild Card. Or even winning the West and bumping LAA to the Wild Card. I posted about this last night. Texas has a very good record against their own division, including an excellent record vs the Angels. They’re not that far back, and with a lot of games in September in division, they could have a good month and overtake Boston and/or LAA.”
How cool would that be. Texas has the third best ERA in the AL. Their offense can also hit. Texas was always hamstrung in the past by their lack of pitching. Now they finally have it, almost in spades. And with Feliz their pitching got even more formidible. Francisco might take you on a bit of a ride sometimes, but the guy can close out games.
Swear to God Girardi is talking about this same stuff with Texas right now on the Manager’s show! But I started before he did.
Doreen, both Sanchez’ are huge (Humberto and Romulo at Scranton). They both have the big fastballs and control issues at times. About the same age. Romulo does have ML time with Baltimore and if they can get their pitches under control, opposing batters are going to refuse to play the Yankees as soon as they go to the bullpen. Romulo is a starter, however.
What relievers are we likely to see once the Sept. callups arrive? Please tell me not the usual suspects. I want to see some fresh faces given a chance. Please no Edwar.
Does Russo get a call up? He’s had a nice year in Scranton too.
Wonder do the Yankees re-sign Hairston or have Russo/Pena competition in ST for the ulty/man role.
Oh! I also want to say this. We sat next to the visiting dugout on the homeplate side today in Trenton. Tom Nieto is the manager for the New Britain Rock Cats (AA affiliate of the Twins). He gave my younger daughter a ball, and my older daughter his lineup card from the suspended game (continuation). I don’t know who was more excited, my daughter or my husband (about the lineup card)) My daughter said she now has a 2d favorite team – the Yanks and the Twins. My husband asked Tom Nieto to sign the lineup card and he graciously did so, and they had a brief chat. Just added to the wonderfulness of the day.
They have a player named Brandon Roberts. Anyone know if he is related to Brian Roberts of the Orioles? I’m gonna check myself.
“They aren’t that good away from home, their rotation scares noboby now that Beckett seems to have a mechanical issue, and the back of their rotation is a merry go round.”
In the AL, nobody has a winning record on the road except the Yankees or Angels. Secondly, don’t assume that Beckett will continue to pitch badly in September and if they make the playoffs, October.
Pat M, that’s cool with me too. Actually we have been on the same side on certain things when others were abandoning ship, such as the future of Phil Hughes. And all of us here have called things both right and wrong. So the fun of it is sticking to our guns if we believe in what we say and then watching it play out.
It only becomes unfun when people start calling other people names because they don’t like or agree with their opinions.
So you go with the Suxers and I think I’ll take Texas, though as Rob B said, Texas really plays LA well and it could even end up with LA as the wild card.
Scott,
“They need to bring up Edwar. He can be real weapon for us in the postseason.”
Please tell me your joking? This guys serves up batting practice. He has one pitch everyone sits on. Theres a reason a team like LAA releases him. They know talent period.
Given the bumps in the road Sanchez has hit, I wouldn’t expect him to get a call-up this September. But one day, if he stays healthy, wow. GB7 – he had great control today. No walks, I think 3 k’s, and only the one hit (a solo shot to CF). One ground out and the rest were pop-ups.
I respect rconn’s contributions here. But while Boston is a team that can do some damage as a whole, it’s not because of their starting rotation, which is a mess.
The season kind of fell apart for them when two things happened.
-Wakefield to DL
-Brutal slump by the offense headed by Jason “What about that extension?” Bay and the Big Poopi
Wakefield was, and has always been, a stabilizing force for the Red Sox. They missed his consistency, and unfortunate to say, his all-star performance in the second half of the season.
There’s Beckett (Homerun King) and Lester. Now the others are going to give you something, but you never know what it’s going to be. Byrd will probably give you the most quality starts. Someone can do it for me, but take away Buccholz’s stats v. Toronto, and it’s not a pretty picture. Wakefield can give you…nothing right now, as he’s had a setback.
So the offense and the bullpen are fearsome to be sure, the fact is their rotation is in a shambles.
I agree – feels like Halladay is just done with the year – can’t blame him that much…after all that trade drama it must be hard to still be in the same place
What relievers are we likely to see once the Sept. callups arrive? Please tell me not the usual suspects. I want to see some fresh faces given a chance. Please no Edwar.
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Josh,
I don’t know which pitchers will be called up in September, but I know there will be two waves of callups. One wave will happen on September 1st as the rosters are expanded. The second wave will happen when Scranton’s season is over and will include mostly guys the Yankees want to reward for doing well there.
I don’t expect anyone that isn’t currently on the 40 man roster to be called up.
Tricia, This is what we’ll do……If Texas makes the playoffs by way of the Wild Card or vis The AL West, I’ll send you a 2 pound box of either See’s or Godiva candies…..
Scott Ham and the boys from the N Y Yankees Google newsgroup asked me to stop by and say hello but I got tossed by security. I do the in-game blog here for Scott on his website, The Bronx View. Anyway, since I was unable to say it in person, welcome to Scranton from Section 116! I hope you enjoy the games and Electric City hospitality. We all enjoy your Yankees coverage..
Toronto lacks integrity against Boston but they will play us like it’s game 7 of the WS.
Halladay will finally be motivated, those crap Jays relievers will induce easy 1-2-3 innings from our pen, and their hitters will continue to bat .350 against us like they have all season.
The White Sox might be done after they’re done with the Twins this week. I have to question how much motivation they’ll have against the Red Sox if the Twins blows them out of the Central division race.
Toronto lacks integrity against Boston but they will play us like it’s game 7 of the WS.
Halladay will finally be motivated, those crap Jays relievers will induce easy 1-2-3 innings from our pen, and their hitters will continue to bat .350 against us like they have all season.
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LOL. Yeah, the Jays have really played the Yanks tough this season with that 3-9 record against them.
The Yanks were hammering this team BEFORE the front office mailed in the season.
Oh my God Pat M!!!! You just hit the bullseye with chocolate!
Okay, it has to go both ways. Tell me some of your favorite things because I am going to do something in return. Do you like lobster? Maybe I can have one expressed and shipped to you. Or whatever it is, you name your favorite things and brands and I will reciprocate.
To get to 100 wins for the season. That’s pretty amazing. I expect them to continue to play better than that though. I wouldn’t mind seeing a 108-110 season with 3 straight sweeps following.
Yeah the Twins might make at run for the Central division. They always do right around this time. The White Sox are done, so I believe that the Yankees will face either the Tigers or Twins in the ALDS. I think they will get to the ALCS and most likely face the Red Sox.
Tricia, I’ll get back to you on that….Frankly just winning the wager is good for me….Or maybe you have to wear a I love Jorge Button and photograph it and put it on your site…Right next to picture of you in that elegant evening gown…….
Pat M, that would be too easy because the fallacy in here is that I don’t like Jorge. I have said that I think we need his offense, I have said in the past that he is the player I would like to most see at the plate in a clutch position, I have said that he is invaluable to the Yankees.
But because I think sometimes he is a little too emotional and it might not work with certain of the pitchers or could actually hurt more than it helps, people here went to their temples and churches and prayed daily since they didn’t think they would ever be able to breathe again.
I would rather make it reciprocal. I consider this a friendly and respectful bet, not an “up yours” bet. How about a bottle of your favorite liquor, the best in the house. Again, you name it and it is yours. If you’d really rather I post a picture of me and Jorge near it, I can definitely live with that too. Just make it worth your while.
“BBFan
August 30th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Today, A-Rod’s BA reached .270 which is good and respectable given his injury.”
Alex’s BA climb coincides exactly with the “Brian Cashman pre-game speech” game in Atlanta on June 23. He was at .207 going in. Since then has hit .313 to climb to .270.
Hey, I love Molina too. But this stupid debate with him and Posada is just that.
This is a better team with Posada behind the plate. That part is obvious to everyone who pays attention.
I think Molina is the best backup catcher in the league, especially blocking pitches, throwing out base runners, knowing the hitters, and framing pitches (a very big plus for him that’s often overlooked).
But Molina is a backup catcher and that’s it. He shouldn’t be out there more than a couple of times a week – or maybe a little more than usual when Posada needs time off as he will in September.
There’s also no question who will be behind the plate in October – which is another reason why this Molina/Posada debate is useless.
I wouldn’t mind seeing this team bring back Molina next season – although I don’t expect that to happen with Cervelli expected to inherit that role.
A point to remember – every team tries to play us like it is game 7 of the world series. Just the way it is. Actually it is a huge compliment to the Yankees, but wearying.
“I wouldn’t mind seeing this team bring back Molina next season – although I don’t expect that to happen with Cervelli expected to inherit that role.”
Giuseppe Franco-
i’d rather see the yankees sign molina again and have cervelli back up the back up.
the reason for that is it’s very hard to come up with a back up catcher in season and if jorge or the back up cather goes down, who replaces them?
cervelli could if he’s the triple a catcher. another year there wouldn’t hurt him and he’d be up for sure at some point as it’s unlikely a posada/molina tandem wouldn’t be hurt during the year.
“But Molina is a backup catcher and that’s it. He shouldn’t be out there more than a couple of times a week – or maybe a little more than usual when Posada needs time off as he will in September.”
Yeah that’s what most of us who talked about Molina’s great defense behind the plate said. A couple of times a week, certainly more than once very 5 days, even possibly for certain pitchers. I know I never argued to have Molina replace Posada altogether. I don’t think many, if any did.
I will say I wanted a heck of a lot more of Molina and Cervelli when the team went 12-23 after Posada got back but agreed that we all win if Posada gets straightened out – and things certainly righted themselves.
Giuseppe the problem is that a lot of posters read the first sentence of a post and run with it. They don’t bother reading everything and then they come around and quote a line of a post while forgetting everything else you’ve said on the subject.
That’s what I wish would happen – re-sign Molina and keep Cervelli in AAA as the backup’s backup. It’s gonna depend on budget, though, don’t you think? And whether they sign an expensive outfielder or pitcher.
i’d rather see the yankees sign molina again and have cervelli back up the back up.
the reason for that is it’s very hard to come up with a back up catcher in season and if jorge or the back up cather goes down, who replaces them?
cervelli could if he’s the triple a catcher. another year there wouldn’t hurt him and he’d be up for sure at some point as it’s unlikely a posada/molina tandem wouldn’t be hurt during the year.
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I’m with you. I think another one-year deal for $2M for Molina would be money well spent.
Molina is a very important piece to this team. I’m not sure if I’d trust Cervelli to be the full-time backup just yet.
I think they resign Molina..After what they went through this season when both Jorge & Molina went down…..If they do let Matsui walk, then Jorge will be getting 2 days off a week from catching…..Until Montero ( and that’s iffy as a MLB catcher )is called up or when Austin is ready ( 2-3 years ) it would behouve the organization to keep Molina and then retire him to a organizational position…….Until Montero is ready, I can see Matsui staying for one more year….How are you going to replace his 28-30 dingers next season…..
Just got home from the game today. Had sweet seats section 130. A few things, a guy in the next section from me caught a foul ball. It smashed him in the chest. I can’t believe how loud the sound was! Very scary! He is going to have quite a bruise.
Also Johnny thought the last out was recorded at first and ran all the way into second only to find out the runner was called safe. It was pretty clear to me that he was safe. So funny jonny had to run all the way back to left. Some fans gave it to him! lol
molina gets 2 million a year and totally fills the back up catcher role.
with posada’s age the yankees need someone who’s solid back there and molina is.
i remember well the nieves fiasco of a good fielding but a really bad hitting young cost controlled catcher as the back up. molina is actually a decent situational hitter despite his low avg.
if cervelli is the back up in 2010 and either he or posada go down , cervelli becomes the starter and then who becomes the back up? the yankees would have a .630 ops starter and who knows as a back up .
if molina is the back up in 2010 and posada is out for some reason , molina is capable of starting for a while without hurting the team and cervelli won’t be hurting the team as molina’s back up by playing too much.
but i agree if the yankees want to try to save a million and a half , they might drop molina. i hope not though.
I just have to mention this again.
Ozzie’s bone headed move to take out the LHP,against Damon, allowed Joe to bring in Hairston jr,and walking Jeter was the game winning move for the Yankees.
How would you like a nut like as mgr of the Yankees?
One thing I noticed during bp for the white soxs, hardly any of them went to left field. 90% of hits went to right. I wonder if they became overly aware of balls flying out to right and tried too much to hit balls that way.
my computer crashed in may and I lost the info stored on Cito.
When the Yankees won the 4 in a five year span he was quoted as being nasty in comments. I saved them and now they are lost.
Jennifer good point being that Jermain Dye’s dinger went to right center….You start to wonder if visiting teams will view the Stadium like many lefthand hitters view Fenway….
It may be difficult to keep Cervelli at AAA next year. I believe that he’s out of options.
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Doreen
August 30th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Given the bumps in the road Sanchez has hit, I wouldn’t expect him to get a call-up this September. But one day, if he stays healthy, wow. GB7 – he had great control today. No walks, I think 3 k’s, and only the one hit (a solo shot to CF). One ground out and the rest were pop-ups.
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We may need to get a ruling on Humberto Sanchez, also. I think he also might be out of options and he’s not on the 40 man roster.
“Actually he reminds me a Billy Martin in many ways…..”
pat m-
he reminds me of him too.
my only contact with billy was as a fan at a spring training game in sarasota when i asked him as he was signing autographs if he really shot those cows .
i had just read the mantle autobiography and mantle describes a scene where the young city slicker martin was visiting mantle in oklahoma one winter and they went hunting.
mantle went up to the door of a farmer he knew and asked for permission to hunt on his land. the farmer said yes, but would mickey shoot a cow of his he didn’t have the heart to shoot. mantle said yes, but he decided to play a practical joke on billy and told him that the farmer told them to get off his land so mickey was going to get even and shoot one of his cows.
so mickey goes over and shoots the cow the farmer told him to shoot and whammo he hears two gun shots and billy says” don’t worry mickey , i just got two more”.
martin looked up at me in the stands that time with a smile and said yeah it was true and it cost him $500 for each cow.
jennifer
August 30th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
One thing I noticed during bp for the white soxs, hardly any of them went to left field. 90% of hits went to right. I wonder if they became overly aware of balls flying out to right and tried too much to hit balls that way.
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I watched some of the WS post game show out of curiosity. That was one thing they talked about and were suprised they didn’t take advantage of the short porch.
I wonder what Ozzie had to say after today’s game. To me the turning point of the game was when the runner took off from second to third when the ball barely got away from Cano. They ran themselves out of what could have been a big inning. Joba was on the ropes and they game him an easy out.
Pat M.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Ozzie might be a blowhard at times, but he’s a real good & smart baseball guy…..Actually he reminds me a Billy Martin in many ways…..
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He is a lot like Martin, except that he doesn’t drink heavily. Perhaps he should. It might mellow him out a bit.
“And the Yanks beat Verlander this season at the Stadium. They’ve beaten Jackson, Washburn, and Porcello too.”
Means nothing in the playoffs as Kenny Rogers is an example.
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I may mean nothing in October, but the Yanks have shown they can beat anybody and that can only help.
Besides, Detroit has had a lot of problems with good teams. They pretty much feast on bad teams and they’ve been beaten up for the most part by the good teams.
The key to beating Detroit is keeping the game close while guys like Verlander and Jackson are pitching well. Their bullpen is not very good and their offense is very inconsistent.
It’s a formula that the dynasty teams always had – get their starter out of the game and feast on the pen.
randy l.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
“Actually he reminds me a Billy Martin in many ways…..”
pat m-
he reminds me of him too.
my only contact with billy was as a fan at a spring training game in sarasota when i asked him as he was signing autographs if he really shot those cows .
i had just read the mantle autobiography and mantle describes a scene where the young city slicker martin was visiting mantle in oklahoma one winter and they went hunting.
mantle went up to the door of a farmer he knew and asked for permission to hunt on his land. the farmer said yes, but would mickey shoot a cow of his he didn’t have the heart to shoot. mantle said yes, but he decided to play a practical joke on billy and told him that the farmer told them to get off his land so mickey was going to get even and shoot one of his cows.
so mickey goes over and shoots the cow the farmer told him to shoot and whammo he hears two gun shots and billy says” don’t worry mickey , i just got two more”.
martin looked up at me in the stands that time with a smile and said yeah it was true and it cost him $500 for each cow.
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The bad thing about that was that Martin was sitting in the back of Mantle’s convertible (top down). On either side of Martin, though sitting in the front seat was Mantle and Ford. Martin shot inbetween them at head level.
“I may mean nothing in October, but the Yanks have shown they can beat anybody and that can only help.
Besides, Detroit has had a lot of problems with good teams. They pretty much feast on bad teams and they’ve been beaten up for the most part by the good teams.
The key to beating Detroit is keeping the game close while guys like Verlander and Jackson are pitching well. Their bullpen is not very good and their offense is very inconsistent.
It’s a formula that the dynasty teams always had – get their starter out of the game and feast on the pen.”
How soon do we forget when the Tigers stumbled into the playoffs in 2006. Not one of us Yankee fans thought they had a chance against us and we know what happened then.
The Yankees are the favorites and the better team, but that’s all they are right now. It’s been a long time since the Yankees won a playoff series.
“cervelli could if he’s the triple a catcher. another year there wouldn’t hurt him and he’d be up for sure at some point as it’s unlikely a posada/molina tandem wouldn’t be hurt during the year.”
Absolutely the right thing to do.
If Montero shows he is ready by the mid-season, they can always trade Molina or Cervelli to fill a need.
Randy I, I had a chance to run into Billy at a bar one evening when he was in between movies with the Yanks…He had a place in Newport Beach ( Corona Del Mar ) and he was just sitting there by himself…..I bought him a drink and we started to bs a little…I told him of my background which opened the gates for a real good conversation..His tales of playing for Casey and running around with Mick & Whitey were classic……One thing that was noticable was this inner pain or torment that seemed to consume him….I too asked about the famous cow incident, and he indeed confirmed it…..He said he was glad that Hank Bauer was a teammate because he was the one guy he wouldn’t want to tangle with…..In closing, he wouldn’t allow me to buy one drink….It was as if he didn’t want to drink alone….I never brought up Reg, but he spoke of Thurman with tears in his eyes….It was so tragic the way he died, so unnessary
“my computer crashed in may and I lost the info stored on Cito.
When the Yankees won the 4 in a five year span he was quoted as being nasty in comments. I saved them and now they are lost.”
Haiku that information is good enough. I didn’t realize he had made disparaging comments.
How soon do we forget when the Tigers stumbled into the playoffs in 2006. Not one of us Yankee fans thought they had a chance against us and we know what happened then.
The Yankees are the favorites and the better team, but that’s all they are right now. It’s been a long time since the Yankees won a playoff series.
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Yeah, yeah, we get it. Anything can happen in the postseason.
But this is a different Yankee team and it’s a different Tigers team. The Yanks are a lot better and the Tigers are worse.
Verlander and Jackson are nasty but there is no equivalent to what Zumaya and the rest of the pen gave them three years ago.
And the Yanks didn’t have guys like Sabathia and Burnett starting games for them that season.
I’m not overlooking the Tigers. But the Yanks are a much better team and should beat them if they did match up.
Lyon has an ERA under 3
Saey is a good situational lefty
Rodney is an above average closer
Their offense mashes, especially against lefties (which our 2 hottest pitchers are).
A 4some of Verlander-Jackson-Porcello-Wasburn will be tough too. Porcello has pitched well. Washburn owns us and will be pitching at home in spacious Comerica against us.
I pray the Chi Sox or Twins somehow get hot and overtake them…
“Well, we came to New York and visited the new Yankee Stadium. It is a very nice ballpark. We also stayed at a very nice hotel. That’s all I can really say about these past three days.”
I do rememember Kenny Rogers getting caught rubbing up the ball with pinetar and La Russa not doing anything about it. That’s what I remember about those playoffs.
Cubs were also much better than last year’s Dodgers. They won 13 more games than them.
Angels won 100 games in the regular season, swept Boston in Fenway and went 8-1 overall against them in the regular season…. then went out quietly in 4 games against them in the playoffs last year. Boston was reeling too… Lowell could barely walk. Ellsbury was benched. Ortiz looked done. Beckett was awful last year. Looked like it was the Angels year finally.
A lot of great regular seasons go up in smoke. That’s what makes the playoffs fun. Any one of the 8 could win.
Pat M.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Randy I, I had a chance to run into Billy at a bar one evening when he was in between movies with the Yanks…He had a place in Newport Beach ( Corona Del Mar ) and he was just sitting there by himself…..I bought him a drink and we started to bs a little…I told him of my background which opened the gates for a real good conversation..His tales of playing for Casey and running around with Mick & Whitey were classic……One thing that was noticable was this inner pain or torment that seemed to consume him….I too asked about the famous cow incident, and he indeed confirmed it…..He said he was glad that Hank Bauer was a teammate because he was the one guy he wouldn’t want to tangle with…..In closing, he wouldn’t allow me to buy one drink….It was as if he didn’t want to drink alone….I never brought up Reg, but he spoke of Thurman with tears in his eyes….It was so tragic the way he died, so unnessary
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People always had the idea that the Yankees were always the button-down collar/briefcase teams, but, those teams of the late 40s and 50s had a lot of crusty ball old players like Bauer, Houk, Woodling, Collins, Robinson, and Raschi, among others. And Stengel was the crustiest of all.
“How soon do we forget when the Tigers stumbled into the playoffs in 2006. Not one of us Yankee fans thought they had a chance against us and we know what happened then.”
What really happened was a terrible coaching job.
As always that Yankee team was a very patient hitting team and would take pitches to extend the at bats. But Detroit attacked the strike zone and thier pitchers had good control. So before they knew, the batters were down 0-2 or 1-2 and had to swing at bad pitches to protect against a strikeout. The coaching staff did not do much to adjust the approach and it being a short series we were out of the post season quickly.
The good thing this year is this team and the coaching staff show flexibility. They attack the strike throwing pitchers from frist pitch onwards instead of waiting. Hopefully it will be different this year. It also helps we have better pitching in a long long time.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
August 30th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Detroit had a better all round team in 2006.
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And the Yankess are a better team than in 06.
Nice to see the Molina love being posted here. Molina does have value to the Yankees as back up for Jorge. Cervelli is good also and did an excellent job when both Posada and Molina were on DL. All in all – this Yankee team is incredible and all players contribute in different ways.
Just have to say that I am not sure Jeter is really human. What a wonderful year he is having both in the field and at bat. He and Robbie are a joy to watch making a DP. Tex at the receiving end is great too. What a team !
“The good thing this year is this team and the coaching staff show flexibility. They attack the strike throwing pitchers from frist pitch onwards instead of waiting. Hopefully it will be different this year. It also helps we have better pitching in a long long time.”
I hope you’re right, but what playoff series has this coaching staff ever won?
They only have three lefties on the entire team and I know you’re not talking about Coke and Marte.”
Are you kidding
CC and Andy.
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LOL.
It was a joke because a lot of people were talking just around the ASB about how Sabathia hasn’t been an “ace” for this team like the unbeatable and almighty Josh Beckett.
The only way that NYY can keep both Molina and Cervelli on the team next year is for Cervelli to learn other positions, like both corner infield and outfield spots. He’s out of options, I’m sure.
wow, now that’s pretty cool to have met martin like that. he was offered the senior league managers job that clete took when i was the bullpen catcher . but billy was always calling up the clubhouse phone because he and clete were so tight. i thought for sure i’d get to meet him at some point, but then he was killed in the accident in our first season. there were a lot of players who played for him in the clubhouse and it was very quiet in the clubhouse for quite a while after that.
“The only way that NYY can keep both Molina and Cervelli on the team next year is for Cervelli to learn other positions, like both corner infield and outfield spots. He’s out of options, I’m sure.”
now that throws a monkey wrench into things doesn’t it?
We’ve gone through many 3-4 games stretches where we haven’t hit much and all of the guys went cold at once. Maybe that stretch comes in October again.
MaineYankee, That’s sadly true how Uncle George used Billy’s insecurity as a weaponGeorge was always found of Billy, but suffered from envy when it came to Billy being loved by the Yankee fans…..Matin’s stories of Micky Rivers left me laughing my ass off……The Bronx Zoo teams were great and so well loved by the Yankee fans who suffered during the post Mantle era…..
We can’t assume we will crush their relievers late in the game and rely on rallies. Verlander is also a tough guy to knock out of the game. Jackson is easier because he has control issues.
“But how can you not feel confident about this Yankee ballclub? I respect every other team but I don’t fear any of them.”
I’m confident, but cautious because none of our starters except Pettitte have playoff wins. Also, I fear no team either which is why I don’t play the game of matchups because if the Yankees are truly the best team then I rather “they beat the best, to be the best”.
“This is the best Yankee club they’ve had in years. It’s not arrogant to suggest this club has the goods to beat anyone.”
I agree with that opinion, but they still have to prove it on the field of play.
I thought it was in the world series. I guess I blocked that one out of my mind. I put that on the same level of not stopping the game when midges were attacking Joba – actually worse. Someone is violating an MLB rule and may have affected the outcome of your game, and you sit there and drink green flippin tea and don’t play under protest?
““The only way that NYY can keep both Molina and Cervelli on the team next year is for Cervelli to learn other positions, like both corner infield and outfield spots. He’s out of options, I’m sure.”
If Cervelli does not have options left that will change every thing. Either he is traded or Molina is not brought back.
“Just have to say that I am not sure Jeter is really human. What a wonderful year he is having both in the field and at bat.”
it is really nice to see jeter aging well. i’m sure he’s put in a lot of work behind the scenes to do it. being this good at his age doesn’t just happen. there’s a price to pay and he’s obviously doing it.
I’d feel much more confident if the ALDS was 7 games.
5 games is too flukey. You almost need to sweep the first 2 games otherwise the other team feels like they got a victory, tied 1-1 going home like Detroit in 06.
Then if you are tied 2-2, it’s CC and Verlander again…
If it was 7, I’d be confident we’d beat Jackson/Porcello at home in games 6 and 7 if we had to in order to win the series.
I’m sorry if I’m raining on your guys parade with my caution about the playoffs. So I’ll bow out of this discussion tonight and let you guys continue this discussion in peace. At least from me, can’t promise you if others won’t continue their cautious approach.:)
Torre admits in his book that the ‘midge” incident was one of his worst decisions as a manager. I still get the creeps when I think of it. Pulling the team off the field might have changed the outcome. Might is the key word here.
I think you suffer from Red Sox pre-2004 Syndrome.
Yes, they will eventually have to prove the can win in October. But, it seems, unlike you, I won’t be surprised if they play well.
It’s not being arrogant. It’s the realization that this is a special team and they’ve proved so far they are the best team in baseball.
Sure, they have to prove it. But I won’t be surprised if they do because I expect them to play well.”
First off, not trying to be difficult, but you don’t know me well enough to know what I suffer from and isn’t it “post-2004″ Syndrome?
Secondly, I won’t be surprise if the Yankees win it too as I consider them the favorites and think they have it in them to beat any team including the dreaded Angels.
“.Martin’s stories of Micky Rivers left me laughing my ass off……”
i had the good fortune one spring day to walk to fenway with my friend carl taylor ( yankee bp catcher) and willie randolph joined us. he told the funny story of when mickey rivers was out all night one night and his wife was waiting in the yankee stadium parking lot for him the next day in her big caddy . mickey had a mercedes that he loved and was driving it when he showed up. willie described a scene where mrs rivers came flying out of nowhere and played demolition derby until both cars had to be towed away. rivers ran from the car and into the clubhouse with much of the team in total disbelief.
Isn’t it mind-boggling that Jeter is achieving still at 35 when most players are beginning to slow down. He is like the energizer bunny. When my youngest son turned 36 I told him if he was a professional ball player he would be considered too old.
randy l.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
“The only way that NYY can keep both Molina and Cervelli on the team next year is for Cervelli to learn other positions, like both corner infield and outfield spots. He’s out of options, I’m sure.”
now that throws a monkey wrench into things doesn’t it?
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Yeah, it does. That’s why I’d like to see the front office to start moving some of these kids with athletic ability around and make them more versatile. Cervelli’s no speed burner, but, he’s quick enough and has the good hands and arm to be able to move around. Same with Romine and some of these infielders that are showing quality bats but are lacking in the ability to play the middle infield. NYY has a lot of those, including both Luis and Eduardo Nunez and the kids in Charleston.
What I clearly remember from the 06 disaster vs. Detroit was how Verlander was on the ropes and they couldn’t do jack…..There was time in the 3rd inning, bases juiced, and Verander throws this 3-2 curveball to Alex that all you could do is admire it as it spun it’s way into Pudge’s mitt…Then he whiffs Jorge and the Yanks were never heard from again in 2006…….Randy I, Mickey Rivers was a classic…They would him his diem on a daily basis so he would piss it away at the track….They even would split up his pay so his wife recieved the bulk of it and George waould then dispense the rest of it like a daily allowance……
Can somebody explain to me how Cervelli can be out of options already? How come some guys can go from the minors to majors several times over the course of a couple of seasons (Chris Britton for example)?
We did have a 3-1 lead going into 5th inning of that game 2 in 06.
But by the middle of the 7th, it was 4-3 Detroit as Mussina had allowed 1 run in 3 straight innings, and then we had to deal with Zumaya in the shadows and it was all over.
If we get a lead, our pitchers have to hold it this time. Can’t count on insurance runs.
Carl, After the Yanks failed to blow open that game ( 2 ) it was down hill quickly……I mean losing to Kenny Rogers was the killer……They didn’t even show up for that game……
This yankee team I believe can at least get to the ALCS. In the ALDS Sabathia needs to set the tone. He needs to be the pre 2007 ALCS postseason pitcher and dominate. He has won in the postseason, and if Kenny Rogers (one of the worst postseason pitchers ever ) could come up big in the 2006 playoffs with a 0.00 era so can Sabathia.
You have to admit Rogers was dominate in the 2006 postseason. He finally came up big in a big spot. His era that postseason including ALDS, ALCS, WS was 0.00. Better then Beckett in 2007. Just Nasty !!!
Jeremy, I still think that was an imposter out there back in 2006……Kenny Rodgers had a track record that was one of the worst in baseball postseason history…..Texas, Yanks, Mets and then he turns into Sandy Koufax…..
The Red Sox are facing crappy teams like the Blow Jays. I wouldn’t talk trash. Let’s see what they can do on the road since they have one of the worst road records in the AL.
LOL ! I know. Kenny Rogers was one of the worst postseason performers ever. People talk about Sabathia and the few bad games he had, but at least Sabathia has had some quality postseason starts. I think prior to 2006 Kenny Rogers didn’t have one good postseason start.
Verlander is very good but I think the yanks can beat him at the stadium. Sabathia should dominant the tigers lineup and the yanks will only need a couple of runs in that game.
Burnett vs Jackson (draw)
Pettitte vs Washburn (Pettitte is better Washburn hasn’t been the same since the trade)
Chamberlain vs Porcello (Chamberlain by far he has dominanted the tigers in both starts this year)
Thank god
might as well give him the day tomorrow if he needs it..
JHJ has been a god send, it makes it easier to rest damon and not have to use hinkse since gardy isnt back yet..
nice win today…
Girardi’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/64893276bae3d308/
Johnny D – I agree with you about the Sux. I think I put my money more on the Rangers than on the Rays at this point, though you can’t count the Rays out. But Texas should definitely scoreboard watch when the Sux play the Rays in Tampa later this week. That’s the time both the Rays and the Rangers should make up ground. Also, I am hoping that the White Sox go home and grab some determination!
Damon has great career numbers against Guthrie
No way should they rest him tomorrow.
Hinske is hitting .168 in 16 ABs against Guthrie and Hairston is 0-2 against him.
Hey Pete – dry or humid weather?
GO SCRANTON!
From a post in the last thread:
“You can say that Joba has to conserve energy for the later innings and therefore, cannot go all out. Well if that’s the case he belongs in the pen. His stuff, while there, is simply not good enough to be a starter. ”
It seemed to me that when Joba pitched well right after the break, it was because he wasn’t holding back. If he would just trust his stuff and go after guys, he would throw less pitches and go longer in games. Holding back doesn’t do much for conserving energy if it means throwing more pitches.
He needs to work faster to. I couldn’t believe how loooonnng his 6 pitch inning felt today.
If the Rays can’t take 2 of 3 at home against the Sox, I’m going to declare them out. They won’t be able to make up ground being 6.5 or 8.5 games out after that series.
Joba was so funny when the asked him if he knows how many innings he can throw on friday…and what the heck is Johnny Damon wearing!!!
# trisha – OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees
August 30th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Johnny D – I agree with you about the Sux. I think I put my money more on the Rangers than on the Rays at this point, though you can’t count the Rays out. But Texas should definitely scoreboard watch when the Sux play the Rays in Tampa later this week. That’s the time both the Rays and the Rangers should make up ground. Also, I am hoping that the White Sox go home and grab some determination!
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I also am leaning towards the Rangers for the Wild Card. Or even winning the West and bumping LAA to the Wild Card. I posted about this last night. Texas has a very good record against their own division, including an excellent record vs the Angels. They’re not that far back, and with a lot of games in September in division, they could have a good month and overtake Boston and/or LAA.
Damon’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/64893552788eceeb/
Joba’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/648935707d9d4985/
He jsut needs a good massage, preferably with a happy ending.
To keep Joba stretched out, I think the Yankees should alternate normal and short starts for him. Assuming the Yanks stay in rotation 1-5 through September, Joba will get some extra days off because off off days. He should get 6 starts. Yanks can of course tweak this if they want to keep CC and others on normal rest, but I’m not assuming that.
9/4 Let Joba go 5 innings
9/9 Go with Joba for 4 innings
9/15 Joba for 5 innings
9/21 Joba for 4 innings
9/27 Joba for 5 innings
10/3 Joba for 3 innings for a playoff tune-up only.
That’s 26 more innings for the season and it puts him at 159 innings, one below 160, which would be the high end of the cap.
Why do people still insist on debating what Joba’s role should be?
There’s no chance he moves to the bullpen. Period.
They wouldn’t be going through this much trouble limiting his innings and screwing around with these Joba Rules if they had any kind of inkling whatsoever of putting him back in the bullpen at any point over the next year or two.
It’s not going to happen. Move on from this nonsense, already.
I hope the Blue Jays are this bad when we face them, because that was a weak performance against a washed up loser like Paul Byrd ( The guy from Frasier ) Cito Gasbag and his team of losers can’t even win one game.
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Buckholz is good, and will only get better…..Hey, you can disagree with me, absolutley….I am on record that Boston is no chump team…..I was the one who keep writing that they were not as good as their record, however come October, The BoSox will not be rolling over……Tricia, you and I have been on different sides of the table many times over the past 3 seasons….I’m fine with that….I do see the Posada situation far differently though….
Jeremy August 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
I hope the Blue Jays are this bad when we face them, because that was a weak performance against a washed up loser like Paul Byrd ( The guy from Frasier ) Cito Gasbag and his team of losers can’t even win one game.
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ya have to remember EVERY team in the league gets FIRED UP to play us. Playing us is their world series.
Rob B
August 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
“(Cokes pitch) Makes no difference in this game…”
Exactly. It decreased the lead to what, 5? Not really a big deal.
I’m not a big stat-head, so I don’t know the answer; but how many of Coke’s recent appearances have come with the Yankees leading? Has he really blown any close games? Or are his bad appearances mainly in games like today?
Also, is it just me, or does A-Rod look much better lately? He just seems a lot more comfortable at the plate and doesn’t look like he’s taking bad guess-hacks as much.
And Melky seemed to benefit from his day off yesterday. Please do that some more, Joe. But not too much.
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Not sure what his homer totals are in wins or losses, but, he was outstanding until being the only lefty in the pen for 3 months caught up to him. If Marte does the job, Coke can get some much needed rest, because NYY needs what he can and has provided for much of the year. The guy is still a rookie…maybe a bit older than a lot of rookies, but, not much MLB experience and a lot less in relief. Next year, he’s going to be huge in the pen. He’s got great stuff.
I would think that Rodriguez gets a DH day in Baltimore and a day off in Toronto. I doubt they want him on that turf for 3 straight games. He seems to have that right field and center field stroke down. The power will come. Hopefully, three or four in Baltimore will get his numbers back to a more level number. His average is climbing, too. He’s running the bases better and it appears that his range is getting a little better, too.
Some Yankee fans are underestimating the Red Sox, they need to respect their team’s chief rival as I expect the Red Sox to have some say as to who comes out of the AL playoffs this October.
Bucholz is a guy who is certainly capable of pitching a good game. But until he manages to beat someone other than Toronto this year, I won’t be impressed.
The way I see it, Boston gets the Angels, Yanks get Detroit….Good news is The Bombers only have to play either Boston or Anaheim rather than both of them…..
Wow – Can’t wait till the Red Sox hit the road.
(Just saw the Bos/Tor “lowlites”
).
We went to the Trenton Thunder game today. Humberto Sanchez pitched the continuation of the suspended game. He gave up a solo homerun, but otherwise was domination. FAST fastball (no gun in Trenton) and great curve. He is HUGE. HUGE. Until you see him in person, you don’t know how HUGE he is.
But, also, we’ve gone to a few Thunder games and seen a few different pitchers, and have never seen anyone with the stuff that Sanchez showed today. He threw 2 and 1/3 innings.
We left with the Thunder leading 2-0 in the main game of the day (we had my parents with us, who couldn’t take the sun – it was a GORGEOUS day for baseball. If it’s half as nice in SWB, I’m sure all you guys are having a great time there.) Apparently, according to Mike Ashmore’s blog, we left before the game got ugly. Ryan Pope had a rough first inning, but settled in nicely after that and the game was moving along well. Too bad.
I’m watching the highlights of the Yankees game now. Can’t wait to see the replay at 7 tonight. I didn’t know Joba was on 3 innings today. Whoa.
They (the media), are so trying to get the details from the players re: the Joba rules. Ha-ha! I loved Joba’s answer – not for public consumption!!!
I love this team.
I love what Girardi means to this team.
Why was Joba wearing long sleeves today? It’s 80 degrees…
did you hear Aceves on the pitching topic…too funny
It’s not respect for the Sox, just telling it like it is.
They aren’t that good away from home, their rotation scares noboby now that Beckett seems to have a mechanical issue, and the back of their rotation is a merry go round.
The only reason to hope if you’re a Sox fan is the last two weeks of the season.
I believe a travel day means you have to wear a suit/sports coat etc
Pat M -
I think the Yankees are playing so well, I don’t care who they’d have to play going forward!!
But it would be nice to not have to go through both those teams.
Ace’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/64894114e048a751/
Rishi -
Damon’s shirt was a blast, wasn’t it!????!
(And I also liked Joba’s answer – he knows but they (the press) doesn’t have to know).
Doreen, I agree…However pick your poison…I think it’s going to be Boston in the ALCS…..
Humberto Sanchez’ last 10 appearences -
16 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 6 BB, 17 K (0.54 ERA)
“I also am leaning towards the Rangers for the Wild Card. Or even winning the West and bumping LAA to the Wild Card. I posted about this last night. Texas has a very good record against their own division, including an excellent record vs the Angels. They’re not that far back, and with a lot of games in September in division, they could have a good month and overtake Boston and/or LAA.”
How cool would that be. Texas has the third best ERA in the AL. Their offense can also hit. Texas was always hamstrung in the past by their lack of pitching. Now they finally have it, almost in spades. And with Feliz their pitching got even more formidible. Francisco might take you on a bit of a ride sometimes, but the guy can close out games.
Swear to God Girardi is talking about this same stuff with Texas right now on the Manager’s show! But I started before he did.
that was a pretty painful interview by aceves lol
Y26-
He was “hugely” impressive (Humberto Sanchez, that is). I can see why people are anxious to see what this guy can do.
Doreen, both Sanchez’ are huge (Humberto and Romulo at Scranton). They both have the big fastballs and control issues at times. About the same age. Romulo does have ML time with Baltimore and if they can get their pitches under control, opposing batters are going to refuse to play the Yankees as soon as they go to the bullpen. Romulo is a starter, however.
What relievers are we likely to see once the Sept. callups arrive? Please tell me not the usual suspects. I want to see some fresh faces given a chance. Please no Edwar.
I don’t think Humberto Sanchez is going to get a call up.
They had to DFA him and pick him up again to get him off the 40-man roster earlier in the season.
Sanchez is too injury prone for them to add him to the 40-man now with those slots being so valuable.
08/30/09 Joe Girardi Show (segment #1):
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6489457081a8686d/
They need to bring up Edwar. He can be real weapon for us in the postseason.
Does Russo get a call up? He’s had a nice year in Scranton too.
Wonder do the Yankees re-sign Hairston or have Russo/Pena competition in ST for the ulty/man role.
Oh! I also want to say this. We sat next to the visiting dugout on the homeplate side today in Trenton. Tom Nieto is the manager for the New Britain Rock Cats (AA affiliate of the Twins). He gave my younger daughter a ball, and my older daughter his lineup card from the suspended game (continuation). I don’t know who was more excited, my daughter or my husband (about the lineup card)) My daughter said she now has a 2d favorite team – the Yanks and the Twins. My husband asked Tom Nieto to sign the lineup card and he graciously did so, and they had a brief chat. Just added to the wonderfulness of the day.
They have a player named Brandon Roberts. Anyone know if he is related to Brian Roberts of the Orioles? I’m gonna check myself.
any way Halladay pitches this weekend like he did today?
“They aren’t that good away from home, their rotation scares noboby now that Beckett seems to have a mechanical issue, and the back of their rotation is a merry go round.”
In the AL, nobody has a winning record on the road except the Yankees or Angels. Secondly, don’t assume that Beckett will continue to pitch badly in September and if they make the playoffs, October.
Pat M, that’s cool with me too. Actually we have been on the same side on certain things when others were abandoning ship, such as the future of Phil Hughes. And all of us here have called things both right and wrong. So the fun of it is sticking to our guns if we believe in what we say and then watching it play out.
It only becomes unfun when people start calling other people names because they don’t like or agree with their opinions.
So you go with the Suxers and I think I’ll take Texas, though as Rob B said, Texas really plays LA well and it could even end up with LA as the wild card.
Scott,
“They need to bring up Edwar. He can be real weapon for us in the postseason.”
Please tell me your joking? This guys serves up batting practice. He has one pitch everyone sits on. Theres a reason a team like LAA releases him. They know talent period.
“any way Halladay pitches this weekend like he did today?”
Good question, the last three outings for Halladay have ruined his Cy Young chances. It seems like he’s lost interest and doesn’t have that passion.
Given the bumps in the road Sanchez has hit, I wouldn’t expect him to get a call-up this September. But one day, if he stays healthy, wow. GB7 – he had great control today. No walks, I think 3 k’s, and only the one hit (a solo shot to CF). One ground out and the rest were pop-ups.
Boy, that game thread was an unnecessary mess.
I respect rconn’s contributions here. But while Boston is a team that can do some damage as a whole, it’s not because of their starting rotation, which is a mess.
The season kind of fell apart for them when two things happened.
-Wakefield to DL
-Brutal slump by the offense headed by Jason “What about that extension?” Bay and the Big Poopi
Wakefield was, and has always been, a stabilizing force for the Red Sox. They missed his consistency, and unfortunate to say, his all-star performance in the second half of the season.
There’s Beckett (Homerun King) and Lester. Now the others are going to give you something, but you never know what it’s going to be. Byrd will probably give you the most quality starts. Someone can do it for me, but take away Buccholz’s stats v. Toronto, and it’s not a pretty picture. Wakefield can give you…nothing right now, as he’s had a setback.
So the offense and the bullpen are fearsome to be sure, the fact is their rotation is in a shambles.
Hey – does anyone know if Ozzie did a post-game today (I’m sure he did) just wondering what he might have said!
08/30/09 Joe Girardi Show (segment #2):
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6489480880204a6f/
I live in Chicagoland
Don’t kill Kay until you hear Hawk for a game.
“any way Halladay pitches this weekend like he did today?”
He’s been average at best since the ASB. I think that he rushed back from the DL earlier this year. That or the trade talk really effected him.
Or both.
I agree – feels like Halladay is just done with the year – can’t blame him that much…after all that trade drama it must be hard to still be in the same place
What relievers are we likely to see once the Sept. callups arrive? Please tell me not the usual suspects. I want to see some fresh faces given a chance. Please no Edwar.
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Josh,
I don’t know which pitchers will be called up in September, but I know there will be two waves of callups. One wave will happen on September 1st as the rosters are expanded. The second wave will happen when Scranton’s season is over and will include mostly guys the Yankees want to reward for doing well there.
I don’t expect anyone that isn’t currently on the 40 man roster to be called up.
Rishi,
actually the Yankees have done well against Halliday in his last 2 starts against them.
Tricia, This is what we’ll do……If Texas makes the playoffs by way of the Wild Card or vis The AL West, I’ll send you a 2 pound box of either See’s or Godiva candies…..
Everyone’s done well against Halliday lately.
He’s given up 4 or more ER in 4 of last 6 starts.
08/30/09 Joe Girardi Show (segment #3):
http://www.zshare.net/audio/648950616be30adc/
Whtie Sox have an off-day on Thursday and Burhlee pitches Wedneday.
So they could lineup Garcia-Floyd-Danks-Burhlee for the Boston series and skip the #5 starter
Or they could insert Peavy in there and skip Garcia. Or they could use Peavy, Garcia, Floyd, Danks and skip Burhlee.
Garcia pitched OK today and pitched pretty well in Boston. I wouldn’t be in a rush to start Peavy, especially against Boston.
I’m obsessed with the Sux, so I’m trying to map this out.
Frank
August 30th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I live in Chicagoland
Don’t kill Kay until you hear Hawk for a game.
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I’ve had to listen to Hawk at times and he is bad.
He was pretty mellow when they were losing 10-1 yesterday.
I had to see one of the Texas games on their channel the other day and they were so bad I had to mute them.
Peavy won’t be pitching with the ChiSox next week. He left yesterday’s start early because his elbow was barking.
He may not make a start for the big club at all this season.
Scott Ham and the boys from the N Y Yankees Google newsgroup asked me to stop by and say hello but I got tossed by security. I do the in-game blog here for Scott on his website, The Bronx View. Anyway, since I was unable to say it in person, welcome to Scranton from Section 116! I hope you enjoy the games and Electric City hospitality. We all enjoy your Yankees coverage..
Joe Santorsa (Zod)
Jays have mailed it in… just show up and execute and we’ll beat them
Strand 8 guys with RISP, don’t throw strikes etc. and they will give us trouble.
Today, A-Rod’s BA reached .270 which is good and respectable given his injury.
Also, R-Rod still has a shot at 30 HR and 100 RBI by the end of the season. That will be 12th season in a row.
That is amazing…..
I meant 10-0 game
Teaxs just lost to Minnesota, 5-3. Yanks are now 9.5 games ahead of them…so I think we can assume that the Yankees are a shoe-in for the playoffs.
08/30/09 Joe Girardi Show (segment #4):
http://www.zshare.net/audio/64895290dd31a010/
Toronto lacks integrity against Boston but they will play us like it’s game 7 of the WS.
Halladay will finally be motivated, those crap Jays relievers will induce easy 1-2-3 innings from our pen, and their hitters will continue to bat .350 against us like they have all season.
The White Sox might be done after they’re done with the Twins this week. I have to question how much motivation they’ll have against the Red Sox if the Twins blows them out of the Central division race.
Ron August 30th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Toronto lacks integrity against Boston but they will play us like it’s game 7 of the WS.
Halladay will finally be motivated, those crap Jays relievers will induce easy 1-2-3 innings from our pen, and their hitters will continue to bat .350 against us like they have all season.
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LOL. Yeah, the Jays have really played the Yanks tough this season with that 3-9 record against them.
The Yanks were hammering this team BEFORE the front office mailed in the season.
Peavy won’t be pitching with the ChiSox next week. He left yesterday’s start early because his elbow was barking.
He may not make a start for the big club at all this season.
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who cares?
The Rangers have been a pleasant tease this summer and the Angels always impress…but this Fall will be old home week: Yankees vs Boston in the ALCS.
Those Rios and Peavy moves are working out great right?
Everyone was praising Williams the “gambler” when he made those moves
Clayton Richard will be better than Peavy in the AL
Yah, Cito hates the Yankees.
Wouldn’t expect anything less than their best effort.
I don’t mind Hawk Harrelson… yeah he roots for his team so what? So does John Sterling…
Don’t rule out the Twins…….
Agree, m.
They’ll be motivated and ready to pray. They may not win but they will give us good games.
Oh my God Pat M!!!! You just hit the bullseye with chocolate!
Okay, it has to go both ways. Tell me some of your favorite things because I am going to do something in return. Do you like lobster? Maybe I can have one expressed and shipped to you. Or whatever it is, you name your favorite things and brands and I will reciprocate.
watching Yankees on Deck – this Arod/Joba playing Rock Band segment is hysterical!
“It only becomes unfun when people start calling other people names because they don’t like or agree with their opinions.”-trisha
“Congrats, Trisha – you changed the dynamic of the board. Good for you. Your need for attention is exhausting… I quit you.”
“Thank you God in heaven. Now if a few more blowhards here do the same thing, life will be good.” – trisha
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“blowhards” isn’t name calling?
the reality is everyone trash talks a bit except maybe cb ( and he probably does , but it goes over our heads) .
the reality is trisha you name call as much if not more than anyone on the blog when you get in a disagreement .
so can the little miss innocent act.
lol
You saw what the offense looked like what Josey in there on Thurs. and Fri.
You want that offense for the rest of the season?
18-14
To get to 100 wins for the season. That’s pretty amazing. I expect them to continue to play better than that though. I wouldn’t mind seeing a 108-110 season with 3 straight sweeps following.
Molina was in there on Saturday too and they scored 10 runs.
“Molina was in there on Saturday too and they scored 10 runs.”
And the White Sox scored no runs.
The Yankees have averaged 5.5 runs a game since the ASB.
We need to keep the other team from scoring. Our runs should come.
I have no problem whatsoever with getting Molina in there a few times a week.
Yeah the Twins might make at run for the Central division. They always do right around this time. The White Sox are done, so I believe that the Yankees will face either the Tigers or Twins in the ALDS. I think they will get to the ALCS and most likely face the Red Sox.
Tricia, I’ll get back to you on that….Frankly just winning the wager is good for me….Or maybe you have to wear a I love Jorge Button and photograph it and put it on your site…Right next to picture of you in that elegant evening gown…….
Dice K got hammered in the first inning of his AA Portland Sea Dogs game. In one inning he gave up 4 hits, 3 walks and 5 runs.
Har-har-har !
good for those kids from cali who just won the LLWS, too — that’s the team there was a story on espn.com about, right?
Pat M, that would be too easy because the fallacy in here is that I don’t like Jorge. I have said that I think we need his offense, I have said in the past that he is the player I would like to most see at the plate in a clutch position, I have said that he is invaluable to the Yankees.
But because I think sometimes he is a little too emotional and it might not work with certain of the pitchers or could actually hurt more than it helps, people here went to their temples and churches and prayed daily since they didn’t think they would ever be able to breathe again.
I would rather make it reciprocal. I consider this a friendly and respectful bet, not an “up yours” bet. How about a bottle of your favorite liquor, the best in the house. Again, you name it and it is yours. If you’d really rather I post a picture of me and Jorge near it, I can definitely live with that too. Just make it worth your while.
“Right next to picture of you in that elegant evening gown…….”
Nice picture, no?
I remembered when Hawk Harrelson was the Yankees announcer. I also recall him being the Red Sox broadcaster too.
“BBFan
August 30th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Today, A-Rod’s BA reached .270 which is good and respectable given his injury.”
Alex’s BA climb coincides exactly with the “Brian Cashman pre-game speech” game in Atlanta on June 23. He was at .207 going in. Since then has hit .313 to climb to .270.
Hey, I love Molina too. But this stupid debate with him and Posada is just that.
This is a better team with Posada behind the plate. That part is obvious to everyone who pays attention.
I think Molina is the best backup catcher in the league, especially blocking pitches, throwing out base runners, knowing the hitters, and framing pitches (a very big plus for him that’s often overlooked).
But Molina is a backup catcher and that’s it. He shouldn’t be out there more than a couple of times a week – or maybe a little more than usual when Posada needs time off as he will in September.
There’s also no question who will be behind the plate in October – which is another reason why this Molina/Posada debate is useless.
I wouldn’t mind seeing this team bring back Molina next season – although I don’t expect that to happen with Cervelli expected to inherit that role.
A point to remember – every team tries to play us like it is game 7 of the world series. Just the way it is. Actually it is a huge compliment to the Yankees, but wearying.
Tricia, It’s not an up yours by any means nor a bragging right thing either…..I’ll come up with something, trust me…
Pat M I feel the same way about it. It’s a cool bet with a nice prize at the end either way.
“I wouldn’t mind seeing this team bring back Molina next season – although I don’t expect that to happen with Cervelli expected to inherit that role.”
Giuseppe Franco-
i’d rather see the yankees sign molina again and have cervelli back up the back up.
the reason for that is it’s very hard to come up with a back up catcher in season and if jorge or the back up cather goes down, who replaces them?
cervelli could if he’s the triple a catcher. another year there wouldn’t hurt him and he’d be up for sure at some point as it’s unlikely a posada/molina tandem wouldn’t be hurt during the year.
“But Molina is a backup catcher and that’s it. He shouldn’t be out there more than a couple of times a week – or maybe a little more than usual when Posada needs time off as he will in September.”
Yeah that’s what most of us who talked about Molina’s great defense behind the plate said. A couple of times a week, certainly more than once very 5 days, even possibly for certain pitchers. I know I never argued to have Molina replace Posada altogether. I don’t think many, if any did.
I will say I wanted a heck of a lot more of Molina and Cervelli when the team went 12-23 after Posada got back but agreed that we all win if Posada gets straightened out – and things certainly righted themselves.
Giuseppe the problem is that a lot of posters read the first sentence of a post and run with it. They don’t bother reading everything and then they come around and quote a line of a post while forgetting everything else you’ve said on the subject.
Hope the Blow Jays lay down for the Yankees ,like thy did for the Sawx.
Cito and his loathing for the Yankees will not let them do that we know!
haiku what do you know that makes you believe Cito hates the Yankees? I just never heard anything so don’t know the background.
randy l -
That’s what I wish would happen – re-sign Molina and keep Cervelli in AAA as the backup’s backup. It’s gonna depend on budget, though, don’t you think? And whether they sign an expensive outfielder or pitcher.
randy l. August 30th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Giuseppe Franco-
i’d rather see the yankees sign molina again and have cervelli back up the back up.
the reason for that is it’s very hard to come up with a back up catcher in season and if jorge or the back up cather goes down, who replaces them?
cervelli could if he’s the triple a catcher. another year there wouldn’t hurt him and he’d be up for sure at some point as it’s unlikely a posada/molina tandem wouldn’t be hurt during the year.
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I’m with you. I think another one-year deal for $2M for Molina would be money well spent.
Molina is a very important piece to this team. I’m not sure if I’d trust Cervelli to be the full-time backup just yet.
Hey the Yanks can officially eliminate the O’s then the Jay’s on this road trip.
Take no prisoners!
I think they resign Molina..After what they went through this season when both Jorge & Molina went down…..If they do let Matsui walk, then Jorge will be getting 2 days off a week from catching…..Until Montero ( and that’s iffy as a MLB catcher )is called up or when Austin is ready ( 2-3 years ) it would behouve the organization to keep Molina and then retire him to a organizational position…….Until Montero is ready, I can see Matsui staying for one more year….How are you going to replace his 28-30 dingers next season…..
Just got home from the game today. Had sweet seats section 130. A few things, a guy in the next section from me caught a foul ball. It smashed him in the chest. I can’t believe how loud the sound was! Very scary! He is going to have quite a bruise.
Also Johnny thought the last out was recorded at first and ran all the way into second only to find out the runner was called safe. It was pretty clear to me that he was safe. So funny jonny had to run all the way back to left. Some fans gave it to him! lol
doreen and giuseppe franco-
molina gets 2 million a year and totally fills the back up catcher role.
with posada’s age the yankees need someone who’s solid back there and molina is.
i remember well the nieves fiasco of a good fielding but a really bad hitting young cost controlled catcher as the back up. molina is actually a decent situational hitter despite his low avg.
if cervelli is the back up in 2010 and either he or posada go down , cervelli becomes the starter and then who becomes the back up? the yankees would have a .630 ops starter and who knows as a back up .
if molina is the back up in 2010 and posada is out for some reason , molina is capable of starting for a while without hurting the team and cervelli won’t be hurting the team as molina’s back up by playing too much.
but i agree if the yankees want to try to save a million and a half , they might drop molina. i hope not though.
I just have to mention this again.
Ozzie’s bone headed move to take out the LHP,against Damon, allowed Joe to bring in Hairston jr,and walking Jeter was the game winning move for the Yankees.
How would you like a nut like as mgr of the Yankees?
I think Damon was already out of the game. He wasn’t going to bat in the 7th inning regardless.
Ozzie might be a blowhard at times, but he’s a real good & smart baseball guy…..Actually he reminds me a Billy Martin in many ways…..
Randy,
Given the age and durability of Posada, I would hope they would bring back Molina.
I also remember the crop of backup catchers this team trotted out there for several and none of them even compared to Cervelli – much less Molina.
Molina is the best backup catcher they’ve had since the dynasty years. In some ways, I think Molina is better than what Girardi was in those days.
Girardi was a little more durable and could still run pretty well. Outside of that, Molina was the better defender.
One thing I noticed during bp for the white soxs, hardly any of them went to left field. 90% of hits went to right. I wonder if they became overly aware of balls flying out to right and tried too much to hit balls that way.
Do you guys think the Tigers pose much of a challenge in the playoffs? I think Verlander is going to be tough.
~TRISHA
my computer crashed in may and I lost the info stored on Cito.
When the Yankees won the 4 in a five year span he was quoted as being nasty in comments. I saved them and now they are lost.
Jennifer good point being that Jermain Dye’s dinger went to right center….You start to wonder if visiting teams will view the Stadium like many lefthand hitters view Fenway….
Verlander will be tough, but so will Sabathia.
And the Yanks beat Verlander this season at the Stadium. They’ve beaten Jackson, Washburn, and Porcello too.
“Do you guys think the Tigers pose much of a challenge in the playoffs? I think Verlander is going to be tough.”
Of course they pose a challenge which is why you don’t underestimate any team because anything can happen in a five or seven game series.
“And the Yanks beat Verlander this season at the Stadium. They’ve beaten Jackson, Washburn, and Porcello too.”
Means nothing in the playoffs as Kenny Rogers is an example.
It may be difficult to keep Cervelli at AAA next year. I believe that he’s out of options.
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Doreen
August 30th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Given the bumps in the road Sanchez has hit, I wouldn’t expect him to get a call-up this September. But one day, if he stays healthy, wow. GB7 – he had great control today. No walks, I think 3 k’s, and only the one hit (a solo shot to CF). One ground out and the rest were pop-ups.
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We may need to get a ruling on Humberto Sanchez, also. I think he also might be out of options and he’s not on the 40 man roster.
“Actually he reminds me a Billy Martin in many ways…..”
pat m-
he reminds me of him too.
my only contact with billy was as a fan at a spring training game in sarasota when i asked him as he was signing autographs if he really shot those cows .
i had just read the mantle autobiography and mantle describes a scene where the young city slicker martin was visiting mantle in oklahoma one winter and they went hunting.
mantle went up to the door of a farmer he knew and asked for permission to hunt on his land. the farmer said yes, but would mickey shoot a cow of his he didn’t have the heart to shoot. mantle said yes, but he decided to play a practical joke on billy and told him that the farmer told them to get off his land so mickey was going to get even and shoot one of his cows.
so mickey goes over and shoots the cow the farmer told him to shoot and whammo he hears two gun shots and billy says” don’t worry mickey , i just got two more”.
martin looked up at me in the stands that time with a smile and said yeah it was true and it cost him $500 for each cow.
pat- Plus not that many went out to right. I’d say less than 5-10 closer to 5.
Alexei Ramirez makes Edwar Ramirez look like Mr. Universe.
Yikes, dude, put on some weight!
“martin looked up at me in the stands that time with a smile and said yeah it was true and it cost him $500 for each cow.”
I liked when Mantle told that story on David Letterman or The Tonight Show as it was pretty funny.
jennifer
August 30th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
One thing I noticed during bp for the white soxs, hardly any of them went to left field. 90% of hits went to right. I wonder if they became overly aware of balls flying out to right and tried too much to hit balls that way.
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I watched some of the WS post game show out of curiosity. That was one thing they talked about and were suprised they didn’t take advantage of the short porch.
I wonder what Ozzie had to say after today’s game. To me the turning point of the game was when the runner took off from second to third when the ball barely got away from Cano. They ran themselves out of what could have been a big inning. Joba was on the ropes and they game him an easy out.
MaineYankee
I think they became to conscious of it, and couldn’t hit to right.
Pat M.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Ozzie might be a blowhard at times, but he’s a real good & smart baseball guy…..Actually he reminds me a Billy Martin in many ways…..
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He is a lot like Martin, except that he doesn’t drink heavily. Perhaps he should. It might mellow him out a bit.
Once you get past Verlander, it’s easy street. Not really, but sorta.
“Once you get past Verlander, it’s easy street. Not really, but sorta.”
That’s what we thought in 2006.
crawdaddy August 30th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
“And the Yanks beat Verlander this season at the Stadium. They’ve beaten Jackson, Washburn, and Porcello too.”
Means nothing in the playoffs as Kenny Rogers is an example.
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I may mean nothing in October, but the Yanks have shown they can beat anybody and that can only help.
Besides, Detroit has had a lot of problems with good teams. They pretty much feast on bad teams and they’ve been beaten up for the most part by the good teams.
The key to beating Detroit is keeping the game close while guys like Verlander and Jackson are pitching well. Their bullpen is not very good and their offense is very inconsistent.
It’s a formula that the dynasty teams always had – get their starter out of the game and feast on the pen.
randy l.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
“Actually he reminds me a Billy Martin in many ways…..”
pat m-
he reminds me of him too.
my only contact with billy was as a fan at a spring training game in sarasota when i asked him as he was signing autographs if he really shot those cows .
i had just read the mantle autobiography and mantle describes a scene where the young city slicker martin was visiting mantle in oklahoma one winter and they went hunting.
mantle went up to the door of a farmer he knew and asked for permission to hunt on his land. the farmer said yes, but would mickey shoot a cow of his he didn’t have the heart to shoot. mantle said yes, but he decided to play a practical joke on billy and told him that the farmer told them to get off his land so mickey was going to get even and shoot one of his cows.
so mickey goes over and shoots the cow the farmer told him to shoot and whammo he hears two gun shots and billy says” don’t worry mickey , i just got two more”.
martin looked up at me in the stands that time with a smile and said yeah it was true and it cost him $500 for each cow.
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The bad thing about that was that Martin was sitting in the back of Mantle’s convertible (top down). On either side of Martin, though sitting in the front seat was Mantle and Ford. Martin shot inbetween them at head level.
“I may mean nothing in October, but the Yanks have shown they can beat anybody and that can only help.
Besides, Detroit has had a lot of problems with good teams. They pretty much feast on bad teams and they’ve been beaten up for the most part by the good teams.
The key to beating Detroit is keeping the game close while guys like Verlander and Jackson are pitching well. Their bullpen is not very good and their offense is very inconsistent.
It’s a formula that the dynasty teams always had – get their starter out of the game and feast on the pen.”
How soon do we forget when the Tigers stumbled into the playoffs in 2006. Not one of us Yankee fans thought they had a chance against us and we know what happened then.
The Yankees are the favorites and the better team, but that’s all they are right now. It’s been a long time since the Yankees won a playoff series.
“cervelli could if he’s the triple a catcher. another year there wouldn’t hurt him and he’d be up for sure at some point as it’s unlikely a posada/molina tandem wouldn’t be hurt during the year.”
Absolutely the right thing to do.
If Montero shows he is ready by the mid-season, they can always trade Molina or Cervelli to fill a need.
Detroit had a better all round team in 2006.
If we get the choice, I would prefer we don’t take the extra day off and use a 4-man rotation.
I don’t want to face Verlander/Jackson 4 out of 5 times.
I’d rather match up Joba against Washburn or Porcello and take my chances, especially since Joba owns the Tigers.
Randy I, I had a chance to run into Billy at a bar one evening when he was in between movies with the Yanks…He had a place in Newport Beach ( Corona Del Mar ) and he was just sitting there by himself…..I bought him a drink and we started to bs a little…I told him of my background which opened the gates for a real good conversation..His tales of playing for Casey and running around with Mick & Whitey were classic……One thing that was noticable was this inner pain or torment that seemed to consume him….I too asked about the famous cow incident, and he indeed confirmed it…..He said he was glad that Hank Bauer was a teammate because he was the one guy he wouldn’t want to tangle with…..In closing, he wouldn’t allow me to buy one drink….It was as if he didn’t want to drink alone….I never brought up Reg, but he spoke of Thurman with tears in his eyes….It was so tragic the way he died, so unnessary
“my computer crashed in may and I lost the info stored on Cito.
When the Yankees won the 4 in a five year span he was quoted as being nasty in comments. I saved them and now they are lost.”
Haiku that information is good enough. I didn’t realize he had made disparaging comments.
crawdaddy August 30th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
How soon do we forget when the Tigers stumbled into the playoffs in 2006. Not one of us Yankee fans thought they had a chance against us and we know what happened then.
The Yankees are the favorites and the better team, but that’s all they are right now. It’s been a long time since the Yankees won a playoff series.
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Yeah, yeah, we get it. Anything can happen in the postseason.
But this is a different Yankee team and it’s a different Tigers team. The Yanks are a lot better and the Tigers are worse.
Verlander and Jackson are nasty but there is no equivalent to what Zumaya and the rest of the pen gave them three years ago.
And the Yanks didn’t have guys like Sabathia and Burnett starting games for them that season.
I’m not overlooking the Tigers. But the Yanks are a much better team and should beat them if they did match up.
Tigers have a great pen
Lyon has an ERA under 3
Saey is a good situational lefty
Rodney is an above average closer
Their offense mashes, especially against lefties (which our 2 hottest pitchers are).
A 4some of Verlander-Jackson-Porcello-Wasburn will be tough too. Porcello has pitched well. Washburn owns us and will be pitching at home in spacious Comerica against us.
I pray the Chi Sox or Twins somehow get hot and overtake them…
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
August 30th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Detroit had a better all round team in 2006.
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And the Yankess are a better team than in 06.
Ozzie’s thoughts on the weekend:
“Well, we came to New York and visited the new Yankee Stadium. It is a very nice ballpark. We also stayed at a very nice hotel. That’s all I can really say about these past three days.”
I do rememember Kenny Rogers getting caught rubbing up the ball with pinetar and La Russa not doing anything about it. That’s what I remember about those playoffs.
The Yanks’ TWO hottest pitchers are lefties?
They only have three lefties on the entire team and I know you’re not talking about Coke and Marte.
Watching the white soxs play over the past 3 days, I want to know how this Yankee team lost 3 of 4 to them 2 weeks ago. They are just plain awful!
Cubs were also much better than last year’s Dodgers. They won 13 more games than them.
Angels won 100 games in the regular season, swept Boston in Fenway and went 8-1 overall against them in the regular season…. then went out quietly in 4 games against them in the playoffs last year. Boston was reeling too… Lowell could barely walk. Ellsbury was benched. Ortiz looked done. Beckett was awful last year. Looked like it was the Angels year finally.
A lot of great regular seasons go up in smoke. That’s what makes the playoffs fun. Any one of the 8 could win.
Pat M.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Randy I, I had a chance to run into Billy at a bar one evening when he was in between movies with the Yanks…He had a place in Newport Beach ( Corona Del Mar ) and he was just sitting there by himself…..I bought him a drink and we started to bs a little…I told him of my background which opened the gates for a real good conversation..His tales of playing for Casey and running around with Mick & Whitey were classic……One thing that was noticable was this inner pain or torment that seemed to consume him….I too asked about the famous cow incident, and he indeed confirmed it…..He said he was glad that Hank Bauer was a teammate because he was the one guy he wouldn’t want to tangle with…..In closing, he wouldn’t allow me to buy one drink….It was as if he didn’t want to drink alone….I never brought up Reg, but he spoke of Thurman with tears in his eyes….It was so tragic the way he died, so unnessary
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People always had the idea that the Yankees were always the button-down collar/briefcase teams, but, those teams of the late 40s and 50s had a lot of crusty ball old players like Bauer, Houk, Woodling, Collins, Robinson, and Raschi, among others. And Stengel was the crustiest of all.
“How soon do we forget when the Tigers stumbled into the playoffs in 2006. Not one of us Yankee fans thought they had a chance against us and we know what happened then.”
What really happened was a terrible coaching job.
As always that Yankee team was a very patient hitting team and would take pitches to extend the at bats. But Detroit attacked the strike zone and thier pitchers had good control. So before they knew, the batters were down 0-2 or 1-2 and had to swing at bad pitches to protect against a strikeout. The coaching staff did not do much to adjust the approach and it being a short series we were out of the post season quickly.
The good thing this year is this team and the coaching staff show flexibility. They attack the strike throwing pitchers from frist pitch onwards instead of waiting. Hopefully it will be different this year. It also helps we have better pitching in a long long time.
I assume he is referring to CC and Pettitte…
I think?
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
August 30th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Detroit had a better all round team in 2006.
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And the Yankess are a better team than in 06.
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Yep, that too.
“Yeah, yeah, we get it. Anything can happen in the postseason.
But this is a different Yankee team and it’s a different Tigers team. The Yanks are a lot better and the Tigers are worse.
Verlander and Jackson are nasty but there is no equivalent to what Zumaya and the rest of the pen gave them three years ago.
And the Yanks didn’t have guys like Sabathia and Burnett starting games for them that season.
I’m not overlooking the Tigers. But the Yanks are a much better team and should beat them if they did match up.”
Yeah, yeah, I get it, the Yankees are the best team and should win it. We’ll see come October.
Nice to see the Molina love being posted here. Molina does have value to the Yankees as back up for Jorge. Cervelli is good also and did an excellent job when both Posada and Molina were on DL. All in all – this Yankee team is incredible and all players contribute in different ways.
Just have to say that I am not sure Jeter is really human. What a wonderful year he is having both in the field and at bat. He and Robbie are a joy to watch making a DP. Tex at the receiving end is great too. What a team !
Pat M
The sad thing about Billy’s inner pain was how George seemed to exploit it.
“The good thing this year is this team and the coaching staff show flexibility. They attack the strike throwing pitchers from frist pitch onwards instead of waiting. Hopefully it will be different this year. It also helps we have better pitching in a long long time.”
I hope you’re right, but what playoff series has this coaching staff ever won?
trisha,
Rogers got busted during the Yankees game.
Torre did speak up, but they only made him wash his hands. Of course he had a tough time washing off the “dirt & sweat”.
“The Yanks’ TWO hottest pitchers are lefties?
They only have three lefties on the entire team and I know you’re not talking about Coke and Marte.”
Are you kidding
CC and Andy.
Guys, we’re not idiots. We know anything can happen in the postseason.
There have been a ton of examples over the past few years where things didn’t turn out like we expected.
But how can you not feel confident about this Yankee ballclub? I respect every other team but I don’t fear any of them.
This is the best Yankee club they’ve had in years. It’s not arrogant to suggest this club has the goods to beat anyone.
Go SWB! Hopefully they will beat the PawSox.
“I hope you’re right, but what playoff series has this coaching staff ever won?”
Let us wait and see.
We will make the playoffs this year.
BBFan August 30th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
“The Yanks’ TWO hottest pitchers are lefties?
They only have three lefties on the entire team and I know you’re not talking about Coke and Marte.”
Are you kidding
CC and Andy.
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LOL.
It was a joke because a lot of people were talking just around the ASB about how Sabathia hasn’t been an “ace” for this team like the unbeatable and almighty Josh Beckett.
The only way that NYY can keep both Molina and Cervelli on the team next year is for Cervelli to learn other positions, like both corner infield and outfield spots. He’s out of options, I’m sure.
pat m-
wow, now that’s pretty cool to have met martin like that. he was offered the senior league managers job that clete took when i was the bullpen catcher . but billy was always calling up the clubhouse phone because he and clete were so tight. i thought for sure i’d get to meet him at some point, but then he was killed in the accident in our first season. there were a lot of players who played for him in the clubhouse and it was very quiet in the clubhouse for quite a while after that.
they don’t make em like billy and clete anymore.
Six days after being left for dead in Denver, Giants about to sweep the Rocks and tie the WC. Renteria’s granny was a “wow” moment.
Things can change in a hurry.
“There have been a ton of examples over the past few years where things didn’t turn out like we expected.
But how can you not feel confident about this Yankee ballclub? I respect every other team but I don’t fear any of them.
This is the best Yankee club they’ve had in years. It’s not arrogant to suggest this club has the goods to beat anyone.”
Well said.
I always dread the Division Series. It is too short and any thing can happen.
The question I have more is:- Why wouldn’t you want to be excited about this team?
Are there points awarded for being restrained in your confidence should the worst happen and they don’t win?
Or is it an pre-emptive face-saving measure? lol
“The only way that NYY can keep both Molina and Cervelli on the team next year is for Cervelli to learn other positions, like both corner infield and outfield spots. He’s out of options, I’m sure.”
now that throws a monkey wrench into things doesn’t it?
All depends on who is hot
We’ve gone through many 3-4 games stretches where we haven’t hit much and all of the guys went cold at once. Maybe that stretch comes in October again.
MaineYankee, That’s sadly true how Uncle George used Billy’s insecurity as a weaponGeorge was always found of Billy, but suffered from envy when it came to Billy being loved by the Yankee fans…..Matin’s stories of Micky Rivers left me laughing my ass off……The Bronx Zoo teams were great and so well loved by the Yankee fans who suffered during the post Mantle era…..
We can’t assume we will crush their relievers late in the game and rely on rallies. Verlander is also a tough guy to knock out of the game. Jackson is easier because he has control issues.
“But how can you not feel confident about this Yankee ballclub? I respect every other team but I don’t fear any of them.”
I’m confident, but cautious because none of our starters except Pettitte have playoff wins. Also, I fear no team either which is why I don’t play the game of matchups because if the Yankees are truly the best team then I rather “they beat the best, to be the best”.
“This is the best Yankee club they’ve had in years. It’s not arrogant to suggest this club has the goods to beat anyone.”
I agree with that opinion, but they still have to prove it on the field of play.
I thought it was in the world series. I guess I blocked that one out of my mind. I put that on the same level of not stopping the game when midges were attacking Joba – actually worse. Someone is violating an MLB rule and may have affected the outcome of your game, and you sit there and drink green flippin tea and don’t play under protest?
Horrible.
CC might have playoff win in 2007.
So cute
Q: Four dinner guests?
A: Michael Jordan; The Boss; Girardi; Cano.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08.....htm?page=2
““The only way that NYY can keep both Molina and Cervelli on the team next year is for Cervelli to learn other positions, like both corner infield and outfield spots. He’s out of options, I’m sure.”
If Cervelli does not have options left that will change every thing. Either he is traded or Molina is not brought back.
Just checked and CC has two playoff wins with the first one in 2001.
“Just have to say that I am not sure Jeter is really human. What a wonderful year he is having both in the field and at bat.”
it is really nice to see jeter aging well. i’m sure he’s put in a lot of work behind the scenes to do it. being this good at his age doesn’t just happen. there’s a price to pay and he’s obviously doing it.
I’d feel much more confident if the ALDS was 7 games.
5 games is too flukey. You almost need to sweep the first 2 games otherwise the other team feels like they got a victory, tied 1-1 going home like Detroit in 06.
Then if you are tied 2-2, it’s CC and Verlander again…
If it was 7, I’d be confident we’d beat Jackson/Porcello at home in games 6 and 7 if we had to in order to win the series.
Sabathia/Verlander is way too close to call.
We may not be on the winning side of a 2-1 game. That games probably scares me the most just because he is so good.
Burnett/Jackson, Pettitte/Porcello, and Washburn/Joba, I’d actually feel good because I think our offense can score some runs.
I’m sorry if I’m raining on your guys parade with my caution about the playoffs. So I’ll bow out of this discussion tonight and let you guys continue this discussion in peace. At least from me, can’t promise you if others won’t continue their cautious approach.:)
crawdaddy,
I think you suffer from Red Sox pre-2004 Syndrome.
Yes, they will eventually have to prove the can win in October. But, it seems, unlike you, I won’t be surprised if they play well.
It’s not being arrogant. It’s the realization that this is a special team and they’ve proved so far they are the best team in baseball.
Sure, they have to prove it. But I won’t be surprised if they do because I expect them to play well.
Torre admits in his book that the ‘midge” incident was one of his worst decisions as a manager. I still get the creeps when I think of it. Pulling the team off the field might have changed the outcome. Might is the key word here.
“crawdaddy,
I think you suffer from Red Sox pre-2004 Syndrome.
Yes, they will eventually have to prove the can win in October. But, it seems, unlike you, I won’t be surprised if they play well.
It’s not being arrogant. It’s the realization that this is a special team and they’ve proved so far they are the best team in baseball.
Sure, they have to prove it. But I won’t be surprised if they do because I expect them to play well.”
First off, not trying to be difficult, but you don’t know me well enough to know what I suffer from and isn’t it “post-2004″ Syndrome?
Secondly, I won’t be surprise if the Yankees win it too as I consider them the favorites and think they have it in them to beat any team including the dreaded Angels.
Anyhow, good night to all.
“Sure, they have to prove it. But I won’t be surprised if they do because I expect them to play well.”
This team has some of the traits of the 1998 team.
I expect them to do well in the playoffs unlike every other team this decacde.
First off, not trying to be difficult, but you don’t know me well enough to know what I suffer from and isn’t it “post-2004? Syndrome?
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No, it’s pre-2004 Syndrome.
That’s how Red Sox fans treated most playoff series until they finally won one.
Now they have the Yankee fans’ mentality during the Dynasty Years and Yankee fans like yourself have inherited the pre-2004 mindset of Red Sox fans.
“.Martin’s stories of Micky Rivers left me laughing my ass off……”
i had the good fortune one spring day to walk to fenway with my friend carl taylor ( yankee bp catcher) and willie randolph joined us. he told the funny story of when mickey rivers was out all night one night and his wife was waiting in the yankee stadium parking lot for him the next day in her big caddy . mickey had a mercedes that he loved and was driving it when he showed up. willie described a scene where mrs rivers came flying out of nowhere and played demolition derby until both cars had to be towed away. rivers ran from the car and into the clubhouse with much of the team in total disbelief.
that rivers was a charater.
Isn’t it mind-boggling that Jeter is achieving still at 35 when most players are beginning to slow down. He is like the energizer bunny. When my youngest son turned 36 I told him if he was a professional ball player he would be considered too old.
“Now they have the Yankee fans’ mentality during the Dynasty Years and Yankee fans like yourself have inherited the pre-2004 mindset of Red Sox fans.”
Like I stated, if you think of me then you don’t know me at all.
randy l.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
“The only way that NYY can keep both Molina and Cervelli on the team next year is for Cervelli to learn other positions, like both corner infield and outfield spots. He’s out of options, I’m sure.”
now that throws a monkey wrench into things doesn’t it?
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Yeah, it does. That’s why I’d like to see the front office to start moving some of these kids with athletic ability around and make them more versatile. Cervelli’s no speed burner, but, he’s quick enough and has the good hands and arm to be able to move around. Same with Romine and some of these infielders that are showing quality bats but are lacking in the ability to play the middle infield. NYY has a lot of those, including both Luis and Eduardo Nunez and the kids in Charleston.
What I clearly remember from the 06 disaster vs. Detroit was how Verlander was on the ropes and they couldn’t do jack…..There was time in the 3rd inning, bases juiced, and Verander throws this 3-2 curveball to Alex that all you could do is admire it as it spun it’s way into Pudge’s mitt…Then he whiffs Jorge and the Yanks were never heard from again in 2006…….Randy I, Mickey Rivers was a classic…They would him his diem on a daily basis so he would piss it away at the track….They even would split up his pay so his wife recieved the bulk of it and George waould then dispense the rest of it like a daily allowance……
Can somebody explain to me how Cervelli can be out of options already? How come some guys can go from the minors to majors several times over the course of a couple of seasons (Chris Britton for example)?
We did have a 3-1 lead going into 5th inning of that game 2 in 06.
But by the middle of the 7th, it was 4-3 Detroit as Mussina had allowed 1 run in 3 straight innings, and then we had to deal with Zumaya in the shadows and it was all over.
If we get a lead, our pitchers have to hold it this time. Can’t count on insurance runs.
Carl, After the Yanks failed to blow open that game ( 2 ) it was down hill quickly……I mean losing to Kenny Rogers was the killer……They didn’t even show up for that game……
This yankee team I believe can at least get to the ALCS. In the ALDS Sabathia needs to set the tone. He needs to be the pre 2007 ALCS postseason pitcher and dominate. He has won in the postseason, and if Kenny Rogers (one of the worst postseason pitchers ever ) could come up big in the 2006 playoffs with a 0.00 era so can Sabathia.
Pat M.
You have to admit Rogers was dominate in the 2006 postseason. He finally came up big in a big spot. His era that postseason including ALDS, ALCS, WS was 0.00. Better then Beckett in 2007. Just Nasty !!!
Jeremy, I still think that was an imposter out there back in 2006……Kenny Rodgers had a track record that was one of the worst in baseball postseason history…..Texas, Yanks, Mets and then he turns into Sandy Koufax…..
They lead the wild card because the Yankees spotted them 8 games early on.
Bunny
The Red Sox are facing crappy teams like the Blow Jays. I wouldn’t talk trash. Let’s see what they can do on the road since they have one of the worst road records in the AL.
And to had salt into the wounds from 2006, was how Jeff Weaver truns into Bob Gibson in that Series….Cardinals won something like 84 games that year
Pat M.
LOL ! I know. Kenny Rogers was one of the worst postseason performers ever. People talk about Sabathia and the few bad games he had, but at least Sabathia has had some quality postseason starts. I think prior to 2006 Kenny Rogers didn’t have one good postseason start.
Verlander is very good but I think the yanks can beat him at the stadium. Sabathia should dominant the tigers lineup and the yanks will only need a couple of runs in that game.
Burnett vs Jackson (draw)
Pettitte vs Washburn (Pettitte is better Washburn hasn’t been the same since the trade)
Chamberlain vs Porcello (Chamberlain by far he has dominanted the tigers in both starts this year)
JFK…..No matter how you slice it, the Yanks fortune’s in October will hinge on the right arm of Joba Chamberlain….