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Once again, C-Money was right

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 01, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Plenty of people fired verbal darts at Brian Cashman at the trade deadline when he did not trade for Jarrod Washburn.

Washburn is 1-2 with a 6.81 ERA in six starts for the Tigers. He has allowed 11 homers in 37 innings. Oh, by the way, Seattle wanted Austin Jackson for him.

A few other notes:

• Nice to see good guy Aaron Boone back with the Astros after heart surgery. He will be activated today.

• Don Zimmer is having back surgery and will be laid up for a bit. Good luck to him.

• A-Rod is now saying there’s an 80-percent chance he won’t need a second surgery on his right hip. This contradicts what Rodriguez and his doctor said in March. At that time, the “hybrid” surgery he was having was only a precursor to a complete repair of the bone deformity that caused his torn hip labrum. According to his surgeon, the surgery in March was designed only to get him through the season with a minimal loss of games.

It’s fortunate for Alex that the hybrid surgery worked so well. But will this injury return? Given that Rodriguez is signed through the end of the 2017 season, the Yankees could be dealing with his issue for a long time.

 
 

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80 Responses to “Once again, C-Money was right”

  1. ditmars1929 September 1st, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    That is really excellent news about Boone. I’m glad to hear it.

    As for A-Rod, I think he should have the follow up procedure just to be safe with everything, especially if it’s not too invasive.

  2. Matt DiBari September 1st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    ARod not having the surgery sounds like a bad idea

  3. murphydog September 1st, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    C-Money did the right thing not picking up Washburn. That doesn’t mean, however, that Austin Jackson is going to be a knockout 5-tool guy at the MLB level next season. Separate issues. Read a story about Boone and his heart surgery, how he’s known since College that the surgery would one day be necesasry. Even if he never played another MLB game, he’ll always have that Moment when he became Aaron bleeping Boone. Not bad.

    As for A-Rod, I’ll just wait and see. I’m sure he hasn’t completely recovered from the foot-in-mouth disease he has suffered from his entire life. Proclaiming himself 80% likely fixed without a second surgery may just be the old A-Rod misremembering or something. I’m not putting any stock in what he said.

  4. The Monk September 1st, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Our top outfield prospect for a semi-washed up starter?

    And the Ems wonder why they suck.

  5. Tunnel Man September 1st, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Once again, C-Money was wrong = Kei Igawa and $45,000,000.00 down the toilet.

    I like Cash, but he’s not infallible.

  6. S.A.--Relax, Relate, Release September 1st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Good news about Boone
    Good luck to Zim
    We will have to wait and see how things go with Alex and his hip

  7. Luds September 1st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    A Rod might be better having the surgery anyways.

  8. SJ44 September 1st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Nobody is infallible.

    However, only an idiot would rip Cashman after the way he has remade the team and the farm system.

    The good decisions far outweigh the bad. That’s the only way you can evaluate a GM.

  9. Rex September 1st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    80%? Insteresting. Maybe a little disappoiting too. Does no second sugery mean, what we see is what we get? He’s had a fine year, but he doesn’t move all that well at 3B and is in the process of posting the worst batting average of his career, and more importantly his lowest slugging percentage since his 1st full season at the age of 21. Now plenty would kill for a .509 slugging percentage, but this is a guy who has sluggled .575 for his career and has exceeded .600 six times in the past 10 years.

  10. Stateman52 September 1st, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Igawa was a disaster while Lilly was there for the taking.

  11. CountryClub September 1st, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    The bottom line on Cash is this: Since he took over full control in 2005, he’s made many more correct moves than incorrect moves. And that’s all you can ask from your GM.

  12. rconn23 September 1st, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Glad to see SJ44 back. Now we just need CB.

  13. Ayatollah Assahola September 1st, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Funny, I don’t remember reading a single “Once again, C-Money was wrong” post when he was stockpiling the golden arms of Jeff Weaver, Javier Vazquez, Kevin Brown, Kyle Farnsworth, Jaret Wright, and Kei “He was dominant in two of his first four starts” Igawa.

  14. Rex September 1st, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    “I like Cash, but he’s not infallible.”

    Not even close. No GM is. He hits more than he misses, which works.

  15. Coach6423 September 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    SJ,

    Don’t waste your time on him. He is the same guy that thinks Mitre will be our 4th starter in October….

  16. Wave Your Hat September 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Not saying Washburn was the right move but AJax has been a bit worrying this year.

    From the website minorleaguesplits.com, here’s Austin Jackson’s month by month OPS in 2009 (major league equivalent in parentheses if you believe in that sort of thing):

    April: .912 (.781)
    May: .841 (.718)
    June: .761 (.654)
    July: .665 (.573)
    August: .615 (.533)

    Anyone notice a trend?

  17. MT. September 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    SJ44 is back. Yay.

  18. BellaSakura September 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Cashman is a good GM who has made his share of mistakes.

    Good news on Aaron Boone. He seems to have such a great outlook on everything. God bless him.

    The wavering on a second surgery for A-Rod is nothing new. First it was “definitely” needs 2nd surgery, then there was “maybe”, I also remember a 50/50. Seems like as the season has gone on there has been a shift from one end of the spectrum to the other.

  19. 86w183 September 1st, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Find me a GM that has not made significant mistakes and I’ll show you a GM who does nothing. the job is all about making judgments, taking risks and doing more good than bad overall.

    Can anyone point to a successful GM who has never made a huge mistake? I sure can’t. Yes, Igawa over Lilly was a preposterously bad decision and I said so at the time but since then there’s some awfully good decisions.

    His patience this year has been rewarded and the team has not increased long term financial commitments while ascending to the top of the standings. Would you rather have Kenny Williams and be saddled with $ 100 Million plus for Peavey and Rios? I thought not.

  20. Rex September 1st, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    “Anyone notice a trend?”

    There’s been some suggestion that he needs a good chunk of next year in AAA too. Still pretty young for the International League, so all in all a good year, but he does not seem ready for the big time yet.

  21. Tom B September 1st, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    tunnel man, it’s time to get over kei igawa, seriously. and i was not aware that cashman does the entire talent evaluation process, oh thats right he doesn’t, igawa managed to fool and entire team of scouts and coaches, and one GM.

    $45 million means nothing to the yankees, and he has not hurt our club in any way. Nothing says he won’t pull it out and become viable at some point either.

  22. Reno September 1st, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    If you have even a basic understanding of statistics, it was pretty obvious that he was pitching way over his head. Only idiots wanted Washburn.

  23. Rex September 1st, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    “His patience this year has been rewarded and the team has not increased long term financial commitments while ascending to the top of the standings”

    He increased his long term financial commitments considerably. He just did it before the season.

  24. tex's friend September 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Igawa was a disaster while Lilly was there for the taking.
    ___

    Lilly sucked when he played for the yankees.

  25. Reno September 1st, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Lilly could have had an Andy Pettitte type career in New York. ERA right around 4.30 every year and lots of wins because you play for the Yankees.

  26. Rex September 1st, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Tom:

    Igawa is Cashman’s fault, period. He may not “do the entire talent evaluation process, but he is responsible for it.

    Also, the thinking that says burning $45 million for absolutely zero return doesn’t hurt this or any other organization is slightly misguided.

  27. Bronx Jeers September 1st, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    Eventually we have to reach a point where we can let go of the mistakes.

    And GM’s hardly get credit for the moves they don’t make but they can be equally as important.

    And Cash has to make more non moves than most GM’s with the Yanks being the $$$ powerhouse that they are.

  28. Rose September 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Cashman made some good and bad moves. So does every other GM.
    Give him his due. His roster is now excellent.

  29. Tunnel Man September 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    According to Peter, C-Money didn’t want to resign ARod after he opted out. If C-Money had his way ARod wouldn’t be here.
    Was Cash right or wrong?

  30. 7789 September 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Cashman is a below average gm. He can afford to make big money mistakes on players because of Steinbrenner money. If other gm’s made those same mistakes they would be screwed. It took Cashman a 423 million dollar offseason to make the yankees contenders to win a world series again.

    And Cashman has been trying to get Washburn the last couple of years. The way Washburn is pitching Cashman is lucky that the mariners where asking a ridiculous amount from the yankees.

  31. Tunnel Man September 1st, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    I had no idea C-Money had so many groupies.

  32. Jason O. September 1st, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Phillippon will make a complete diagnosis and we’ll know at the end of the season. Based on how well the season has gone so far, clearly this guy is the Dr. James Andrews of the hip world. Next….

  33. upstate kate September 1st, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Thanks for the update on Aaron Boone. I have liked him since I saw him do an interview w/ his Dad, back in the day when he played for his Dad.

  34. ditmars1929 September 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Despite the difficulty in replacing his production, I would’ve gladly let ARod walk when he opted out.

  35. SJ44 September 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Whining about Igawa given where the team is today, is an example of people just trying to find something to cry about.

    It was a mistake. Its over so get over it. The Yankees have.

    It hasn’t hampered the Yankees from doing business in any way.

    Wave,

    Jackson needs another half, probably a full season, in AAA. He’s a late bloomer type of prospect because most of his life prior to signing with the Yankees has been split between playing baseball and basketball. He’s still learning how to grind everyday as a baseball player.

    Personally, I don’t think he’s a “can’t miss” type prospect. I do think though he has the chance of being a good major league player. He’s just not there yet.

    Another half-full year of AAA would him a better chance to fulfull his potential.

    He’s one of the youngest players in AAA. Its not unusual to have a dip in performance at this stage of the year.

  36. Propaghandi September 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Pssst…over there ———>

    ARALifestyle.com advertisement “Bulk up naturally with HGH”

    Is nothing sacred?

  37. Brandon Awesome "BECAUSE I'M AWESOME!!!" September 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    speaking of the kiddies how about that Eduardo Nunez

    August last 105 ABs to be exact all in August.

    .400/.443/.590 8O

  38. Wave Your Hat September 1st, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    “According to Peter, C-Money didn’t want to resign ARod after he opted out. If C-Money had his way ARod wouldn’t be here.
    Was Cash right or wrong?”

    Since the Yanks got ARod a team without ARod has won the World Series every year, so it is certainly possible to win without him. If the Yanks had not re-signed ARod they would have had so many opportunities to go in other directions that it seems pointless to explore that particular version of alternative history.

  39. ADam September 1st, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    B-Cash deserves GM of the year… if nothing else for non – decisions he made. BTW… what are halladay’s numbers post trade deadline….

  40. Brandon Awesome "BECAUSE I'M AWESOME!!!" September 1st, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    he’s only batting .500 in his last 10 games.

  41. raymagnetic September 1st, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    “If C-Money had his way ARod wouldn’t be here.
    Was Cash right or wrong?”

    There’s no way to answer this question as we have no idea what other moves would have been made had A-Rod not been re-signed.

  42. Rex September 1st, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    “It took Cashman a 423 million dollar offseason to make the yankees contenders to win a world series again.”

    It helped. I agree, getting Burnett, Sabathia and Teixeira was far from a stroke of genius. Every team would want those guys, but few to none had the financial means. However, some of the lesser moves he’s made in putting the team together, like getting Swisher fairly cheaply (in terms of talent traded), bringing back Pettitte on a “sing for your supper” contract, and building what is now a very solid bench, were pretty shrewd.

  43. Wave Your Hat September 1st, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    SJ,

    I agree with your take on AJax.

    By the way, my apologies for that spat we had the other day. We don’t totally agree on Tex’s defense but you had a point.

  44. 7789 September 1st, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Tunnel Man
    September 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
    According to Peter, C-Money didn’t want to resign ARod after he opted out. If C-Money had his way ARod wouldn’t be here.
    Was Cash right or wrong?

    ————————————————–

    Exactly thank Hank for resigning A-Rod. This team took off when A-Rod came back. It is pretty obvious Alex is the real mvp of the team. Also Maddon was saying when Jorge injured himself last year that Cashman didn’t want to give that new deal to Posada either that was Hank. LOL Posada would of been a met if it was up to Cashman.

  45. Rishi September 1st, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    game thread up early?

  46. Patrick September 1st, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    “According to Peter, C-Money didn’t want to resign ARod after he opted out. If C-Money had his way ARod wouldn’t be here.
    Was Cash right or wrong?”

    He was right.

    Yankee fans will regret the A-rod contract, mark my words. I’m actually a fan of A-rod’s and think he’s a great player. However, the money the Yanks are paying him is obscene, he will not be good enough to justify that contract down the road.

  47. Rishi September 1st, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    :arrow:

  48. Five Iron From Fenway September 1st, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    AJack is far from a bust.
    He is an excellent defensive player. A very, very good base stealer and a developing hitter.
    Read some of the interviews about him floating around. This year is a process. It is to learn the art of hitting, to cover the plate, to develop two strike approach. To hit close to (and better than for the vast majority of the season) .300 in AAA is an accomplishment – particularly for a CF.
    If he needs some more time in AAA next year so be it. The way the Yankees are currently constructed he is not needed yet.
    Also, re. Cashman. The farm system has been completely rebuilt. The minor league teams have made playoffs and won leagues each of the last couple of years and may do so again this year. While winning a minor league championship is not a goal, there will be many players developed from within that we see in NY in the next couple of years. We see several today that will help next year – Pena, Cervelli, and Dunn – utility guy, backup catcher and left handed reliever. Not superstars but very important, cheap, young pieces for a championship team. (It is hard to get superstar position players picking last every year).
    This is just the beginning, the superstars are coming. Montero, Romine, Adams, Joseph are creeping closer.
    The only issue I have an without any first hand knowledge have zero idea as to the reason is pitching injuries. Now some were drafted or traded for with the knowledge they would need surgery – Brackman and Sanchez. But Horne, Garcia, Kontos, Kennedy, Brackman, Sanchez, Betances, Marshall, Heredia etc.
    Can anyone provide a good explanation as to the injuries? Is it the organizational development practice (which seems extremely conservative), Nardi Contreras, who they pick, the medical and training staff, other.

  49. CountryClub September 1st, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Cash didnt want to give Arod 10 years (thanks Hank) and nobody else in baseball would have either. In the end, Arod would have been on the Yanks, but with probably an 8 year contract (which still would have been too long).

    The last years of that deal are not going to be pretty.

  50. SJ44 September 1st, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Not true re: the Posada negotiations.

    Since my nephew has the same agent as Posada, the truth is pretty easy to acquire.

    Cashman didn’t want to give 4 years to Posada if no other 4 year offers were on the market since he would be bidding against himself.

    The Mets made Jorge a solid 4 year offer. Jorge took it to Cashman and they worked out a deal. A deal I might add, that was for less money than the Mets offered Posada.

  51. SJ44 September 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Wave,

    No worries, no harm done.

  52. BG#11 September 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    “Yankee fans will regret the A-rod contract, mark my words. I’m actually a fan of A-rod’s and think he’s a great player. However, the money the Yanks are paying him is obscene, he will not be good enough to justify that contract down the road.”

    Patrick,
    Money will never be a problem for the New York Yankees. The brand is too strong and the compliments to the empire’s portfolio are too valuable(YES,Merchandise, NYY Restaurant etc.) While I don’t disagree that in A-Rod’s fleeting years he will be under performing the value of his contract, I’m sure by the time A-Rod is in his fleeting years the Yankees will have another younger superstar to overpay on an extended contract for their potential. It’s a never ending cycle. A younger, highly touted prospect with absurd numbers will come along and the Yankees will pay top dollar to lock him up for an extended period of time simply because we can.

  53. Tunnel Man September 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    7789 September 1st, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Tunnel Man
    September 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
    According to Peter, C-Money didn’t want to resign ARod after he opted out. If C-Money had his way ARod wouldn’t be here.
    Was Cash right or wrong?

    ————————————————–

    Exactly thank Hank for resigning A-Rod. This team took off when A-Rod came back. It is pretty obvious Alex is the real mvp of the team. Also Maddon was saying when Jorge injured himself last year that Cashman didn’t want to give that new deal to Posada either that was Hank. LOL Posada would of been a met if it was up to Cashman.
    =============================

    LOL!

    When ever a deal looks shaky ARod’s hip or Jorge’s shoulder, C-Money runs to the press and let’s it be known he was against the deal.

  54. Yea What September 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Before you all call me crazy, hear me out.

    Since we are paying him so much, wouldn’t it be a good idea to try and do something with Igawa, except get him elected in to the AAA Hall of Fame. I still remember that one good game he had against Boston at Fenway. Maybe we can turn him into a reliever, maybe a left handed specialist. But we need to try something with him, especially when the end of September comes and the games have become meaningless. Put him on the 40 man roster.

  55. ANSKY September 1st, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    Here’s what we’d have now if those posessing Cashman voodoo dolls had had their druthers:

    Tommy Johan Santana on the DL instead of a patiently developed Hughes in the rotation next year & beyond.

    Washburn or even Barry Zito in the rotation.

    With those two or three guys in place, we’d also have no CC or AJ since there would have been no room to sign them.

    Now, Igawa totally sucking was unfortunate and cash takes responsibility for that. But if he was just average there would have been be less need for them too.

    The bullpen would be no different that it was from the last world series championship until recently. Weak until Mo.

    As a result, Mo might be worn out by now due to over use.

    Joba still wouldn’t be in the bullpen … he’d probably have been traded to another team before he came up.

    We might have Joe Crede instead of A-Rod at 3B. Even A-Rod haters have to realize that a guy like A-Rod doesn’t HURT a team despite the off-field circus. C’mon. The guy comes to play.

    We wouldn’t have Tiexiera at 1B.

    We’d have Manny, his salary, and his defensive foibles in the OF … I meant to say on 50-game suspension for steroid use.

    We certainly wouldn’t have the best team going right now.

  56. ditmars1929 September 1st, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Yea What, I understand what you’re saying, but Igawa has proven that he simply cannot consistently get outs at the major league level. Left handed specialist? I wouldn’t put him in a game unless it was a mop up job with the Yankees down by 10 in the seventh.

  57. Tunnel Man September 1st, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Yea What September 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Before you all call me crazy, hear me out.

    Since we are paying him so much, wouldn’t it be a good idea to try and do something with Igawa, except get him elected in to the AAA Hall of Fame. I still remember that one good game he had against Boston at Fenway. Maybe we can turn him into a reliever, maybe a left handed specialist. But we need to try something with him, especially when the end of September comes and the games have become meaningless. Put him on the 40 man roster.
    =================================
    Exactly. I’m sure C-Money is negotiating a contract extension.

  58. Tom B September 1st, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    the non-deals far outweigh any mistakes cashman may have made.
    now we still have hughes, joba, robi, melky, and all our linor league guys… and we’re still winning. we are primed to destroy baseball for the next 7 years, and you guys are hating on the guy that put it all together… LOL.

    i never thought i’d see such crying about spent money on a yankee blog. the offseason $’s that cashman spent were some of the smartest signings of his tenure.

  59. Patrick September 1st, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    “Money will never be a problem for the New York Yankees.”

    Not exactly true. The Yanks have laid off taking on extra money in the past and present because of budget concerns. Cash flat out said that even if he could swing a deal for Halladay it is doubtful that ownership would okay it due to the money.

    Every team in baseball has a budget, even the Yankees.

  60. Tom B September 1st, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    and i agree, igawa could certainly turn into something useful here, lets not forget his stunning superman performance from the bullpen when karstens broke his leg.

  61. Rich September 1st, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    I know cash hasn’t made all the right decisions but what gm has? We made the playoffs at a rate of 14 years straight we weren’t having any high draft picks so he did an adequate job. The Jarret wright deal of 3/21 and the pavano deal 4/40 mirrors the same deals that the red sox did Matt Clement 3/24 and Lugo 8/32. The deals of beltran and the rest that people kill him for not making were multi year multi big money contracts. I am happy he didn’t trade for Johan, Halladay, etc because those young arms will help us for years to come. If your gonna be harsh ok cashman give him credit when he dies something good like getting swisher for practically nothing. Swisher makes 6 million a year and has hit 20+ homeruns and 70 something rbis… We weren’t not getting that production out of betemit. The idea that swisher was on the roster when nady left makes the move that much sweeter. I bet mets fans wish they had one insurance bat on their bench when they lost one of their core members for this season!

  62. ANSKY September 1st, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Yea Wat -

    I’d be OK with seeing what Iggy-san could do out of the bullpen for a few weeks. Maybe next year if were ahead by 12 games in July we could give him a shot in August.

    Best case, he’s a useful or situational reliever from time to time. His stamina’s there, he could go a couple innings a few time in a week if needed. That is, if he doesn’t get knocked around.

    That said, considering his lack of a real heater to offset his off speed stuff, making him more of a situational specialist would probably be a better risk to take.

    Worst case, loses a few games, we still have a big lead in the standings, he eats 20-30 innings that would come from someone else’s arm, he’s taken off the 40-man roster and the bullpen’s more rested for October.

    Do I think it’d actually work? Highly unlikely. And I’d only try it with a significant lead in the division and during a stretch where the schedule looks soft for a few weeks. We might get luckier trading him away (but unfortunately trading away just a little of his salary) for some sleeper prospect or two.

  63. haiku-man September 1st, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    ~All the teams with the new rentals,some good some make your head spin.Cashman didn’t sell the farm,GOOD, and still has the best team in baseball!

    ~Got an email from some Cards fans.There’s smoldering anger,bitterness,and frustration,Dave Duncan has for the Cardinals,and all their sports media(print,radio,tv.)

    ~S,eems Duncan thinks they were vicious toward his son,and responsible for his being traded.

    ~So I googled Duncan vs cardinals and, Stltoday.com,Sportingnews.com,and dailyme.com,et al all have no so good info for the Cards,for their treatment of his son.

    ~Duncan is so upset he won’t say if he’ll return next season.Cardinal fans are thinking he’ll bolt to former fired Cards,GM) Walt Jockety,GM of the REDS.

    ~The reason (I heard their broacaster say this during a gamay)the Cards sold the farm for Holliday,and other trades was to show La Russa they were committed to being competitive.(they’ve always been cheap before)

    ~The Cards Fans base think if La Russa and Duncan leave so goes ownership of the NL Central,Albert will opt for free agency to play for a contending team.

    Folks there is a slow burn coming out of STL!

  64. 7789 September 1st, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Cashman also takes a hit on the bullpen. The bullpen he built out of spring training was a joke. Then he takes his starters Hughes and Aceves and puts them in the bullpen. Cashman is very lucky Sabathia, Burnett, Joba and Pettitte stayed healthy this year he has no starting pitching depth. Will Cashman ever find a 8th inning setup man who can do the job so fans/media can stop wanting Hughes or Chamberlain in that role?

    Cashman paid 12 million to Marte a guy who is now being used to get 1 batter out of a game. He relied on guys like Veras, Edwar and Alabeledejo most yankee fans knew that was a disastor going into the season.

  65. Pancho September 1st, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Well it comes back down to the argument about the money, he had it to spend and he spent it. That is great because the Yankees can do it and they did right this year. However, before Cashman can be judged, a couple of things have to happen:

    1. Joe G (handpicked by Cashmand and Team) has to be more adept than Joe T at getting the best from his team in October, so that the Yanks win big;

    2. His good moves with the money have to outweigh his bad onces over a longer period of time, (i.e. Kevin Brown, Javier Vazquez, Randy Johnson, Jared Wright, Pudge Rodriguez, Xavier Nady, Letting Abreu go, Kei Igawa, Sheff trade, etc. vs. Tex, CC, AJ, passing on trades this year, who knows what else), and they have to also outweigh the Red Sox good moves like the Manny for Bay trade, the Wagner signing, the Beckett and Lowell trade, the V-Mart trade, Matsuzaka, etc. – all of them without giving up a thing (although Theo is soiling his rep a bit with Smoltz, Penny, Gagne, etc.).

    Finally, the third thing that has to happen is that Cash gets the team to a more reasonable payroll as new kids come up and some heavy baggage gets off the books (this started last year, but this offseason Matsui and Nady are gone and possibly Damon, eventually, Posada will have to retire in two years and ideally, the core of the team will be Alex, Jeter, Cano, Tex, Melky, Gardner, Jackson, CC, AJ, Joba, Hughes, Cervelli/Montero, etc., for a few years. If Cashman can get the payroll under 175 million and still win with the right mix of veterans and young guys, then he can be considered a top GM. Until then, not so clear.

    All this however, with the caveat that playing in NY is very tough, and being GM in NY is just as tough.

  66. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes September 1st, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Five Iron,

    Agree on AJax. Way too much conclusion jumping, based on his numbers. As discussed the last time, love the way the Yankees are trying to develop patient, selective, & situational hitters throughout the entire system.

    Question for you: any idea if Bryan Mitchell is pitching, and if so – where?

  67. Jay Hirsch September 1st, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Boone came back from open heart surgery faster than Reyes came back from a hamstring?

  68. Pancho September 1st, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    I will add to my earlier comment something kind of unrelated. Billy Beanne cannot still be considered a genius. Not after Tampa Bay went to the World Series last year. The whole Money ball thing is ridiculous. In reality, the A’s have won NOTHING since the bash brothers, NOT A THING!

  69. snarky thang ! September 1st, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    7789 Concern Trolling,eh?

    The pitching depth has your team
    fighting for dear life for the wild card,bwahahaha.

  70. ANSKY September 1st, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    7789

    Managing the roster over the span of a full season involve more than just the decisions out of spring training. NO TEAM has the same roster all year. Many guys are in development and not ready at the beginning of the year. Many guys look good out of spring training then falter. Many guys are in the plan at the beginning, but come up later because they can’t last all year. You use what you have to get the team in a good position down the stretch, and get the best thing you can going for October.

    I think Jeter once said something to the effect of: The best 8 regular season teams win the most games and make the playoffs, but the hottest team gets those 11 wins in October for the championship.

    Would it have been better to have a bullpen with Alby & Marte in October when it counts, or back in April?

  71. Blueshirt Brawler September 1st, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    “Once again, C-Money was wrong = Kei Igawa and $45,000,000.00 down the toilet. I like Cash, but he’s not infallible”

    Look it’s blatantly obvious that Cashman has made more mistakes acquiring pitching than he has had successes but let’s not dredge up the past. I know anyone with a checkbook the size of the Yankees could have signed CC, AJ and Tex but coming off what was tabbed as a bad season of 89 wins last year with 1/3 of the team hurt for a 1/3 of the year, Cashman went out and made the right moves, including bringing back Pettitte on an incentive laden deal and getting Swisher for a guy who isn’t even playing anymore. This has been Cashman’s rebirth after 5 years of patchwork moves to make up for the mistakes of the past. Let’s praise him for not dealing Hughes or Joba for Johan. Let’s praise him for not dealing Austin Jackson or anyone else for Washburn. And let’s give him credit for adding veteran depth like Hairston and Hinske at very little cost. He’s done a good job this year and let’s hope the Yankees reward him with another title.

  72. Bronx Born September 1st, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    If you read this blog without knowing the team was in first place you would think them in the cellar. If Cash did a lousy job how come Yanks have best record in baseball. It is a team effort and the team extends to the front office.

  73. Damon September 1st, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    This blogs majority praises the Yankees,Sawx troll roll in to be stupid,as usual.IGNORE them.

  74. DaSaint007 September 1st, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    When all there is to do is talk about Cashman’s decisions over the years, things must be going well for the team with the BEST record in Baseball. Which, coincidentally means that none of the BETTER GMs have done that well. So sad.

    Sorry LaRussa, Sorry Bean, Sorry Williams, Sorry Theo. Yes, they are probably better, but smarts doesn’t mean anything, otherwise all the geniuses on this blog (and there are some really smart folks here) would be CEO’s of their respective companies, and somehow that doesn’t seem to be the case.

    Saint

  75. DaSaint007 September 1st, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    Correction: Smarts doesn’t mean everything, not anything…

  76. PD September 1st, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Cashman did not pass on trading for Washburn because he predicted he would do terrible with his new team. He didn’t trade for him because he didn’t want to give up Austin Jackson, which is a ridiculous asking price. Washburn’s new stats with the Tigers mean nothing because you can’t assume he would have been that bad with the Yankees or another team.

  77. rover September 1st, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Wow, guys doing a job without a crystal ball have no shot in NY. Guess the yanks have no shot this year.

  78. Pancho September 1st, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Again, with the Money that Cashman has, many of us could probably do better, and probably Theo and even Huffington would do better. Cashman is at best average.

  79. dtv September 1st, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Cashman is grossly overrated.

    This year’s budget is $202 million.

    The Red Sox budget is $122 million.

    Cash spent $80 million more than his closet rival and is only 6 games ahead of Boston.

  80. Tom B September 1st, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    dtv thats such a silly and poor argument i don’t even know where to start. maybe the red sox should have spent more money, instead of lining their pockets? if you don’t think a 6 game lead int he division is worth $80mil, you have no clue what makes baseball tick.

    the yankees don’t even spend 65% of their revenue on payroll. if other teams were even CLOSE to this number, there would be no players left out there for the yankees to “buy” except the ones that want to play in NY(which is probably still most of them).

    you know what’s grossly overrated? complaining about the money that the yankees spend. it just shows how little you actually know about the way things work.

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