Better balance than Mary Lou Retton
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 03, 2009 
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Runs scored
Damon 95
Jeter 95
Cano 90
Teixeira 82
Swisher 67
Rodriguez 63
Cabrera 57
Matsui 49
Posada 47
Home runs
Texieria 32
Damon 24
Matsui 23
Swisher 23
Rodriguez 23
Cano 22
Posada 19
Jeter 17
Cabrera 11
RBI
Teixeira 101
Damon 75
Rodriguez 75
Cano 74
Matsui 73
Swisher 72
Posada 66
Jeter 61
Cabrera 50
Three things these lists scream at me:
1. Sign Johnny Damon for 2010
2. A-Rod clutchability is a product of knowing it’s not all on him.
3. Kevin Long is clearly some manner of genius.
I’d be curious to know the last team that had eight players hit at least 20 home runs and drive in at least 70 runs. If I had another Red Bull, I’d try and figure it out. But I’ll let one of you pretend to do some work in your office while you look it up.
Nice MLR name drop there Pete.
I’m all for signing Damon for 2010, but I wouldn’t give him more than a one year contract.
Well done, Pete LMAO
Clutchability is also a product of good pitching.
The opportunities to come through are increased. Our mid-90s-2001 boys also had some unclutch ABs. No one seems to remember – but I do.
We’d wring our hands and scream “Why can’t we HIIITTT!!!”
Eventually, we did. Good pitching = redemption.
or pretend to be typing notes in econ class
Damon will want 2 years. Maybe they can convince him for one year with an option. I think with new yankee stadium, he is reborn.
Damon will want 2 years. Maybe they can convince him for one year with an option. I think with new yankee stadium, he is reborn.
Tremendous.
A thing I’ve been thinking about regarding A-Rod’s seeming “clutchability” is the fact that because of the hip injury and missing the 28 games (plus regular rest), he is actually relatively fresh at this point in the season. You can see it now (11 game hit streak, BA up to .275 with an outside shot to reach 100 RBIs), he is starting to round in to mid season form. That bodes will for the Yankees. While everyone else is suffering from the dog days of the long season, A-Rod will be rounding into mid-July form in October. The surgery was actually a blessing in disguise.
“I knew-
Abreu/Vlad
Manny/Thome
Pudge/Vizquel
I looked and Ichiro and Giambi don’t have 2000 hits.
Is a DLed player considered active? Sheff/Delgado?
”
I thought Ichiro just squeaked past 2000. I only had minor faith in Giambi. ATL makes sense with Anderson and Chipper.
Also, I think Omar Vizquel will be in the HOF. Probably not first ballot. If he does make it in, he will probably be the worst position player in the Hall, numbers-wise. Only two years with an OPS+ over 100. The reason I think he makes it is because there will be some anti-PED backlash and he will benefit from it.
Damon may be reborn offensively, but he is in decline defensively. In 2011, Posada, Montero, and maybe even A-Rod and Jeter will need significant time at DH. That doesn’t leave room for Damon.
did anyone put lineups in the other thread? If so, post them here
Speaking of MLR, did aynbody know she had a hip replacement? Just FYI…
http://www.maryloushipreplacement.com/
Clutchability (“clutchability”? Really?) is a product of fans’ imaginations.
I am giving up hope on Cervelli-
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
A-Rod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hairson LF
Melky CF
I am sitting MPB Johnny Damon on the turf. I hope he forgives me
SS Jetes
LF E’s PBF
1B Tex
DH A-rod
C Posada
2B Robbie RISP
RF Swishy
CF Melky
3B J Hair
“Damon will want 2 years. Maybe they can convince him for one year with an option. I think with new yankee stadium, he is reborn.”
I’d go 2 years with Damon, and 1 year with Matsui (assuming they end the year healthy). No one can convince me that consistently rotating the regulars at the DH spot will be more productive than having a guy like Matsui being a professional hitter.
Once Matsui leaves after 2010, then Damon becomes the regular DH, playing some LF along the way.
Question from last night’s game: why did Phil get a save when the Yankees were up by 8 runs? Is it b/c it was a close game when he came in?
No team has ever had 8 players hit 20 or more home runs.
I am taking up a collection for the “Give Johnny Every Penny He is Worth” Fund.
Who would like to donate?
I’d resign Damon for 1 year + team option. I’d over pay, too.
Montero wouldn’t be up with the big club until later in the year, anyway. Damon and Posada could easily split the DH.
“In 2011, Posada, Montero, and maybe even A-Rod and Jeter will need significant time at DH”
Wow, you’re really thinking ahead. 2009 isn’t over with and you’re worried about the DH spot in 2011? lol
Montero is a MAJOR LEAGUE CATCHA !!!!!!111!!!!!!!
Report from the previous thread-
Upstate Kate-
When Hughes entered the game in the 8th it was still a save situation. Even though the Yankees scored so many runs for him in the top of the 9th, once you enter in a save situation the scorers don’t take the save opportunity away
Damon LF
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Pena SS
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
ARod 3B
Posada DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Cervelli C
Chris
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
No team has ever had 8 players hit 20 or more home runs.
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Jeter and Posada better starting eating more Wheaties then
thanks Erica
kate – yes. When he entered the game, it was a save situation. Thus is why the save statistic can be largely useless.
Vin,
thought same thing. it’s gotta include DL cause mets would be 5 team. ichiro just shy.
The problem is will Johnny Damon want just one year contract to stay with Yankees?
jeter 6
damon x
tex 3
alex 5
posada 2
cano 4
swisher 9
hairston 7
cabrera 8
2004 Yankees are the only team ever with six players with 20 homers.
If the Yankees get eight (likely), it would be breaking their own record.
Erica -
Sign me up for that fund!!!
vin -
I agree – 2 for JDamon and 1 for HMatsui.
Nothing/no one better out there. IMO.
Plus you have to factor in Girardi’s ability to keep these guys fresh, and these player’s willingness to work with that plan (which they seem to do).
“The problem is will Johnny Damon want just one year contract to stay with Yankees?”
I mean, if the Yankees take a parade down the Canyon of Heroes and they offer him money on par or above what he could get elsewhere, why wouldn’t he re-sign for 1 year? Even if they don’t have the parade(
), the Yankees and Damon make the most sense. AL teams don’t usually like to overpay for DH types, and he can’t play the OF every day in the NL.
Three more dingers from the Captain and one from Posada will mean 8 players with 20 HR (or more)? Wow. I think Posada has a very good chance at it, the Captain will probably fall short…
vin,
How many games do you think Posada will catch in 2011?
“Who would like to donate?”
Hopefully the Steinbrenner family.
I think Johnny likes NY too much to leave. That plus the fact that no other team would pay him more/longer than NYY. It’s a perfect match. I’m sure he loved Boston, but NY was willing to offer him a longer deal. I can’t see NY being topped.
Just a thought, not so random, but based on the balance throughout this team, does it not support the (oft-used) argument that there cannot be an MVP on the Yankees?
Pete, who is your pick for the NCAA national championship in football this year?!
Lenny, that’s not true. Three teams had seven 20-HR hitters. If Jeter and Po get there, we’d be the first with eight.
http://www.baseball-almanac.co....._hr7.shtml
I disagree on bringing back Matsui next season.
The DH spot is too important and he can’t play the field when others need to DH.
Johnny makes sense on a 1 or 2 year contract, but Godzilla’s time in NY should be at an end.
I’ve loved having Matsui…genuinely enjoyed it and appreciate all he’s done.
I KGB’d it a few days ago. No team has ever had 8 players hit 20 or more homers in the same season. Three teams have had 7 (1996 Orioles, 2000 Blue Jays, 2005 Rangers.)
why is Damon for 2/20 a bad idea?
just keep the guy around
swangin and banginnnnnnnnnnn
which team has the better offense??
1999 Cleveland Indians
or
2009 NY Yankees
2004 Yankees are the only team ever with six players with 20 homers.
If the Yankees get eight (likely), it would be breaking their own record.
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This isn’t true. The 1961 team had 6 players. And the blue jays had 7 players with 20 HRs. Texas had teams with 6 players.
The yankees should get 8 though.
“I’d be curious to know the last team that had eight players hit at least 20 home runs and drive in at least 70 runs.”
Probably can only happen in the AL and after the DH. Closest I can find is the ’03 Red Sox, who had 8 guys with 85 or more RBI (Damon was 9th on the team with 67), but only 6 with 20 or more homers.
Here are A-Rods numbers this year projected over 163 games.
R-105, H-163, HR-38, XBH-60, RBI-125, SB-15, AVG-.274, OBP-.403, SLG-.506, OPS-.908
A lot better than I would have thought.
which team has the better offense??
1999 Cleveland Indians
or
2009 NY Yankees
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They are about even according to wOBA. Indians lead by .002
“How many games do you think Posada will catch in 2011?”
I think he’ll catch plenty of games so long as his bat continues to be effective. He would need to drop off quite a bit to become just a league average catcher. I think 2011 will be his last year as a regular catcher, though. Hopefully he can come back in 2012 to help with Montero’s development… but that’s a long ways away.
bardos
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
As well, I have it from very reliable sources that once the stadium is down the wind factor, that is, local breezes generated by the heating of the land surface in the Bronx, in combination with global wind patterns resulting from the difference in absorption of solar energy between the climate zones, combined with large scale atmospheric circulation and the differential heating between the equator and the poles, thus causing a jet stream and the associated climatological mid-latitude westerlies, polar easterlies, and the trade winds, will cause the circular motion of air around areas of high and low pressure creating a phenomenon known as “right field porch condition”, which will result in a park factor of exactly 1.00.
Thanks Cliff
No way on matsui… way too hot and cold… creates a log jam.
Damon – 2 Yr deal 14-18 mill…. You figure if Swish gets 8 Mil Damon will get the same.
Need to keep the DH spot open for Posada, Arod, Swish, Gardner, Jeter and whoever else needs a half day off…
Here’s something that screams even louder at me:
DON’t sign Johnny Damon! He’s now very one-dimensional ballplayer and his HR totals are artifically inflated by the whiffle ball dimensions of Yankee Stadium’s right field.
The Yankees desperately need to obtain more athleticism in the outfiled. Damon can’t throw and has now become one of the worst defensive outfielders in MILB. Watch him go after a ball, he never is sure of anything hit to him. Runners on second AUTOMATICALLY head for Home because of his weak arm. As a No. 2 hitter, he cannot bunt, nor does he advance baserunners.
Carl Crawford can be pryed away from Tampa Bay for likely a reasonable price.
Jason Bay is a Free agent.
Goodbye Johnny!
“Damon – 2 Yr deal 14-18 mill…. You figure if Swish gets 8 Mil Damon will get the same.”
You might figure that, but I’m sure Damon won’t. He’s a much better player than Swisher is.
The ’99 Indians made frequent trips to the Pharmacy.
“Carl Crawford can be pryed away from Tampa Bay for likely a reasonable price.”
Why would you assume a reasonable price for Crawford?
Damon on a short contract > trading for carl crawford or signing jason bay to a long term deal
Bay is just as bad in the outfield and Damon leads the AL in clutch factor according to fangraphs. He has gotten huge hits in ‘high leverage’ situations.
Rex remind me when your prediction was for Jeter.
“The ‘99 Indians made frequent trips to the Pharmacy.”
Til they test for HGH, you can’t assume that isn’t true of today’s Yankees or any other team.
“Sign Johnny Damon for 2010″
Okay. With a team option for 2011. Cashman was never big on incentive contracts but seemed to get on board with one for Andy this year. Might be the way to go with Johnny or even Matsui.
Yanks will offer 1 yr w/ option to jd..
Another team will offer more= byebye JD
Uncle E:
Prediction for the record breaker? I didn’t make one. If I can get in now, I’ll take 1st game on Monday (9/7), 6th inning.
Quick check on the standings is revealing. I think the Yankees have to win 16 more games to be safe to secure the division. If so, and the schedule is not that easy to assume more wins than that, Boston would need to go 24-6 to tie and likely take the division. So in my mind one magic number for me is Boston loses seven more games. 24-6 is not unthinkable for Boston; they are playing well again even losing last night. So don’t break out the bottles too fast!
anyone else for GTLU?
jerkface:
yes, the Indians lineup was stacked:
Manny Ramirez
Jim Thome
Roberto Alomar
Kenny Lofton
David Justice
Richie Sexton
Omar Vizquel
Sandy Alomar
etc
Rex
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Uncle E:
Prediction for the record breaker? I didn’t make one. If I can get in now, I’ll take 1st game on Monday (9/7), 6th inning.
Oh Ok I must have you confused with someone else.
Considering we all picked 2 weeks ago I don’t think it fair to let others in at this time.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teix 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Melky CF
“Considering we all picked 2 weeks ago I don’t think it fair to let others in at this time.”
Yeah, I agree Uncle E.
Damon in 2010-Someone should design a shirt and assume the role of campaign manager. The way he’s played all year, Damon would be a very valuable asset to the team in 2010.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeria 1B
A-Rod 3B
Posada DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Melky CF
Cervelli C
Lineup Guess:
Derek SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
A-Rod 3B
Posada DH
Cano 2B
Swish RF
Melky CF
Cervelli C
Chet
when it comes to the outfield needing more athleticism, i think they’d do better to keep damon over swish. i’m surprised that so many people think damon needs to go but are willing to keep swish around. don’t get me wrong, i like swish, but i think damon is a much more valuable player than he is. they should probably keep them both but swisher needs to be on the bench IMO. I say keep damon, do another melky/gardner platoon in center and acquire another defensively-sound outfielder. A-Jax might make a big impact next season too.
I agree with the idea of Matsui not coming back though. He is a very nice bat to have around, but like many have pointed out, it’s just not worth having a guy who can only DH.
We have no choice but to keep swish, outside of trading him, because he is under contract for 2/3 more years. We’d also be trading our biggest road dog.
Damon LF
Swisher RF
Teixeria 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hairston SS
Cabrera CF
One thing that could sway Damon to take just one year is the home ballpark. His OPS is 200 points higher at home.
Jeter SS
Damon DH
Teixeria 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Hinske LF
Cabrera CF
LathamJoe…
Wait. No on Damon and yes on BAY? Really?
Damon isn’t great in the outfield but neither is Bay. Bay is a product of the Green Monster as well, but that makes him better? He will also require a longer contract and isn’t as good a batter. Brilliant. Just Brilliant!
Crawford won’t come cheap in a trade or as a signing once his contract runs out. In a trade it will be a haul as much or more than for Halliday… or at least what was being asked for by the Jays.
Crawford would be great in pinstripes, but I don’t see it till FA comes along. Even then there will be the RS and even the Rays thinking about signing him. The Rays got rid of Kazmir for money, but Crawford means a lot to that team, and they invested a good deal into the team lately.
It just doesn’t make much sense to “plan” on getting a player who isn’t a FA. Holliday and Bay are both suspect in what they can bring, but Holliday seems to be the better player.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teix 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Melky CF
which team has the better offense??
1999 Cleveland Indians
or
2009 NY Yankees
=================================
Since the ultimate goal of offense is to score runs you have to give it to Cleveland. The Yanks are “only” on pace to score ~930 runs.
Doreen,
Sepia is so appropriate…I see it in black and white and living color. But I love the sepia!
TY for your good thoughts for the poster Jonathan. I am sending light to your daughter, whom I hope is recovered from the LD.
Thank you murphydog
,
pat – brought tears to my eyes and most importantly, the rosary prayer makes its healing ripples felt so thanks to you and your wonderful mom.
Blessings to all.
Jeter SS
Hairston LF
Tex 1B
A-Rod 3B
Posada DH
Swisher RF
Melky CF
Molina C
Pena 2B
I’m iffy on Holliday. He’s very enticing obviously, but mainly as a Rockie and a Cardinal…wasn’t too impressed with his brief AL tenure. The NL pitchers don’t pound him inside the way the AL pitchers to. And he makes them pay.
Player’s list(so far)
Erica(2:13 PM)
Upstate Kate(2:13 PM)
CT 23(2:17 PM)
Joey Vegas(2:17 PM), Clark(2:52 PM), Chet(2:52 PM)
Henner(2:20 PM)
Bill(2:49 PM), Ray VT(2:55 PM)
66 Stripes(2:53 PM)
Gates(2:55 PM)
bodhi -
Thanks for the good thoughts for my daughter. She is, happily, doing much better. Though it is amazing how much the doctors really didn’t have an explanation for. She’s almost entirely “herself,” which, for her, is interesting to say the least, anyway!
The 1996 Orioles:
Ripken 26 HRs 102 RBIs
Palmeiro 39 HRs 142 RBIs
Bonilla 28 HRs 116 RBIs
R. Alomar 22 HRs 94 RBIs
Anderson 50 HRs 110 RBIs
Murray 22 HRs 79 RBIs
Shurhoff 21 HRs 82 RBIs
Hoiles 25 HRs 73 RBIs
They scored 949 runs and hit 257 dingers. They also lost to the Yanks in the playoffs.
Jeter SS
Swish RF
Tex 1B
A-Rod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hairston LF
Cabrera CF
after yesterdays line-up from outta nowhere I’m with Erica, I think the manager goes back to a more traditional line-up
i think i’d bite the bullet and let both damon and matsui go because i’d rather let them go one year too early then keep them one year too long.
“I’d be curious to know the last team that had eight players hit at least 20 home runs and drive in at least 70 runs.”
Pete – it’s never been done: http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/cuzuq
my line-up is based on the assumption that Cano gets a day off today vs a lefty and likewise for Matsui.
For those counting stats, Murray only hit 10 HRs for the orioles that season.
That orioles team is one of the teams with 7 players who hit 20 or more HRs
i think i’d bite the bullet and let both damon and matsui go because i’d rather let them go one year too early then keep them one year too long.
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This applies to Matsui because of his injury history but Damon has shown no signs of slowing down on offense. He crushes the ball.
A good similarity to the ’98 team is the balance of HRs throughout the lineup. In ’98 there were 4 guys with 20+ HR (Tino 28, Bernie 26, O’Niell 24 & Strawberry 24) and 4 more guys with almost 20 (Posada 17, Jeter 19, Brosius 19 & Knobby 17) but nobody had over 30.
For this year, Posada will get his 20 barring any sudden serious injury. But Jeter still has to ring up 3 more. My guess is he’ll finish with 21 to make it eight. Tiexiera having over 30 was expected this year, and A-Rod gets a mulligan due to off-season hip surgery. Depending on what happens with his hip rehab this off season he’ll be back to 40+ in a year or two.
Back in ’98 the team hit .288/.364/.460 collectively. This year the team is hitting at a .282/361/.483 clip. This year has a more bop, with 208HR so far this year compared to 207HR in all of 98. But clutch, timely hitting seemed more rampant and relentless in 98. Mike Lowell even got 4 hits for the Yanks that year!
Pitching-wise, there were 6 guys with 10+ wins on the 98 team, with Coney being tops at 20. Wells had 18, Andy 16, The Fat Toad 13, El Duque 12, Mendoza 10. That was a good, deep pitching staff.
In 98 it was 114 wins, with the team just coasting the last 3 weeks. This year? I’m guessing 104-106 wins even after the slow first two months. But the first few weeks of ’98 were pretty slow too. Comparison? This year’s team is real good but that 98 team was better.
And I did not look up what the mark for the most 20HR guys on one team was.
new thread
My Line Up:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
ARod 3B
Posada DH
Cano 2B
Hairston RF
Cabrera CF
Cervelli C
Three teams have had 7 guys with 20HR. None have had 8. Yet.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What.....LB_history
Sorry of anyone already posted that & beat me to the punch. I still haven’t read all the posts from while I was typing my last one.
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Alex 3B
Tex 1B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hairston LF
Melky CF
Wiff
Lenny, that’s not true. Three teams had seven 20-HR hitters. If Jeter and Po get there, we’d be the first with eight.
http://www.baseball-almanac.co….._hr7.shtml
that list absolutely screams steroids and rocky mountain high. what a dis-torsional effect.
the outfield will be fine next year. Jackson, Gardner, Melky, Damon, Swish. There is speed there. Athletic OF is overrated. And i would take the bat of Damon and Swish over faster corners with less power and less obp. 37 games over .500? Man Swish and Damon are KILLING US.
tex-you might have the 2010 OF accurate. by my count, those players include 3 cf’s, 3 lf’s and 3 rf’s. so yeah, i guess between them all, they have the OF covered.
Boston will have to sign Bay. They have no OF prospects on the horizon.
Bay is too streaky, a less than average outfielder, and on the downside of his career.
Damon is a tough call…I don’t think it’s a coincidence that it’s a contract drive year for him and that he came into camp in great shape and motivated. That plus the new stadium is a perfect storm. But his defense, esp. tracking balls, is barely passable, so he’d better maintain his offensive output. But he’s quirky, likeable, good interview, etc. and the fans like him, so I think a 2-year deal is passable. Matsui should not be resigned though he has been a delight unless he miraculously demonstrates the ability to take the field again in the off-season after surgery. Crawford is the guy to keep an eye on – Rays have a $10MM option for 2010 they have to exercise after this year (actually could be $11.5MM salary in 2010 with accelerators) with a $1.5MM buyout. He just turned 28 and his exceptional defense,speed and solid OPS makes him likely a $13-15MM player in the open market. Doubtful the Rays would not pick up the option, but they might do so then move him as they have his replacement ready in Desmond Jennings. Hard to imagine they would trade him to the Yanks though…
Pete,
Let the pros decide on Damon. When he comes up lame next year you will forget that you ever wrote it.