Pitching matchups for the Toronto series
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 03, 2009 
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Tonight: RHP Chad Gaudin (1-0, 3.21) vs. LHP Ricky Romero (11-6, 3.95), 7:07, YES
Friday: RHP Joba Chamberlain (8-4, 4.38) vs. RHP Roy Halladay (13-8, 3.13), 7:07, YES
Saturday: LHP Andy Pettitte (12-6, 4.03) vs. LHP Brett Cecil (6-3, 5.42), 1:07, YES
Sunday: RHP Sergio Mitre (3-1, 5.65) vs. LHP Brian Tallet (5-9, 5.17), 1:07, YES
well good thing the rosters are expanded. the pen will see some work this weekend.
And can CY Young come down to CC vs. Rivera?
this is going to be a good test for the yankees pen and Chad Gaudin,Sergio Mitre to see what they have to offer. if we take 2 out 4 games i’m happy
I hope Pettitte can go 7 on Saturday as I’m not sure if any of the other pitchers will give us five innings.
“And can CY Young come down to CC vs. Rivera?”
Greinke has to collapse in September for it to happen.
“if we take 2 out 4 games i’m happy”
That’s what I’m looking for with the pitchers we have going. If they win tonight with Gaudin giving them six innings then I might get greedy for winning three games.
I dont think Greinke will be Cy Young with 3 less wins than CC. I know his Ks are higher and he plays for the lowly Royals, but CC will probably have 20 wins. You dont give a 16-17 game winner CY young over a 20 game winner with a 3-3.3 era. Plus, one pitches in AL East and one in the crappy Central, which comes into play also.
Ugh this series will likely not be such high quality baseball. I guess I’ll watch the US Open.
TF:
It goes to the best pitcher. Greinke’s been the league’s best pitcher. There’s not one facet of the game that can be controlled by the pitcher that Greinke hasn’t been better than Sabathia in. His ERA is a run better, WHIP is lower, K’s are higher. Way more quality starts.
Sabathia has been a godsend for this team, but it’s not even all that close.
last night preformer by beckett got me happy he can kiss the CY YOUNG GOOD BYE
I’m guessing Friday is actually Chamberlain/Aceves.
Girardi’s been pretty good at managing rest for the guys.
Angels have 30 games left and I can see them easily going 20-10.
They’ve got 1 tough stretch where they have to play the make-up game at the Stadium then 3 at Fenway and 3 in Texas. Then 3 at home against the Yanks.
Red Sox? They’ve got 30 games as well and 1 tough stretch where they play the Angels at Fenway and then a 10 game road trip that ends at the Stadium.
And they’ve been playing good but they’re going to need to go like 25-5 to catch the Yanks.
TF:
It goes to the best pitcher. Greinke’s been the league’s best pitcher. There’s not one facet of the game that can be controlled by the pitcher that Greinke hasn’t been better than Sabathia in. His ERA is a run better, WHIP is lower, K’s are higher. Way more quality starts.
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The fact remains he plays against much weaker competition. Greinke doesnt face the Red Sox and Rays 5-6 times a year, even Toronto and Baltimores offense is better than the AL Central. It’s not being a homer to think that CC and Greinke are much closer than the numbers show.
Girardi has done a great job of rotating his guys the entire season to keep them fresh. And it’s worked. I can see him trying to manipulate the starting rotation just a bit, but the bullpen and the position players have been on a rest/use rotation all season. I really don’t think much has to be done. I don’t see the Yankees going into a swoon down the stretch, because no one has been over-used.
So, for the Yankees, the next few weeks should be pretty much business as usual, with a small tweak here or there.
The key is health. Everything else seems to be under control. I don’t see any reason why they can’t maintain their current pace.
It’s the first time in a few seasons that the Yankees didn’t have to play the month of Auguse in “come from behind” mode. It’s been great.
“And can CY Young come down to CC vs. Rivera?”
Grienke’s record is the only thing that’s going to cause him to lose votes although it’s almost not fair considering who he plays for.
Grienke also leads the Majors in complete games and shutouts.
Verlander is also definitely in the mix.
“Greinke doesnt face the Red Sox and Rays 5-6 times a year, even Toronto and Baltimores offense is better than the AL Central.”
Still doesn’t hold up. Sabathia has made 10 starts against AL East teams (Greinke has made 6), 4 of which were against the last place O’s. He’s 6-3 with a 3.58 ERA in those games, which is very good. But he’s still pitching 2/3 of his games outside the AL East.
Good take on all the Yankees’ pitching prospect injuries:
“They’ve taken pitchers with questionable mechanics and heavy work loads. I think it’s a combination of factors that have worked against the Yankees, the first one being the amount of abuse some of the Yankee arms have been subject to before entering the organization.”
http://www.baseball-intellect......s-injurie/
One of the things about this team is they don’t seem dependant on one or two players to carry the offense so when Joe rests players you aren’t out of the game.
Everyone just seems to play well together as a complete unit.
It sure does look like in the AL the Cy Young winner and the MVP winner both might not be from playoff teams.
Greinke has had a great year, and it will be interesting to see if the voters penalize him for be on a team that didn’t win for him. Those complete games/shut outs have to weigh heavily in his favor.
CC is having a very good year, but I don’t think a Cy Young year. Aren’t his power numbers down a bit? I don’t know if that’s by design because he’s pitching for a different team and can work his game differently or not. Still he is in the conversation. Last night was a great start for him. Great start. The CC that pitched the game in LA before the ASB has gone into hiding.
Right now I’d have to vote for Greinke but there are still several starts left. All it takes is one Greinke shelling to bring the ERAs closer and let other factors come into play. But if he’s solid the rest of the way he’ll get it with CC, Mariano and Verlander all in the top five.
Gaudin’s start is pretty important today because if he can give them length that rests guys for the Joba and Mitre starts. If the game gets one-sided either way they have Edward and Dunn for mop up duty.
Hey Bronx.
Sox are not catching the Yanks.
The Yanks are playing great baseball. I am just hoping for the WC. I have read a lot of posts recently that folks would like to see the Sox not make the playoffs. I understand the hatred but I was disapointed when the Yanks missed the playoffs last year. I want a Yanks/Sox ALCS every year. JMO.
-dennis
thoughts??
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3. The Yankees figure to have a wealth of options this off-season with their veteran free agents. They could try to bring back Johnny Damon, or they could try to retain Hideki Matsui. Or they could pass on both and install Jorge Posada as their semi-regular designated hitter, while using Francisco Cervelli as catcher. Here’s another possibility: The Yankees could make one lucrative one-year offer to Damon and Matsui and tell them, Hey, we love both of you guys, but we can’t keep both — and we’ll keep whoever takes our offer first. They will probably be in a good position of leverage.
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If Grienke gave up 25 earned runs in his next inning of work he would have the same ERA as CC.
Seriously, I just worked it out.
earned runs / innings X 9
Mo for Cy Young thoughts:
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• Mariano Rivera should be the AL Cy Young Award winner, writes John Harper.
From Mark Simon: “It’s worth noting that the only Yankee reliever to win the Cy Young Award was Sparky Lyle in 1977. Rivera is in a similar position to what Lyle was that season — a dominating relief pitcher on a big-market team that won its division (presuming these Yankees do), matched up against a logjam of very good starters. This was admittedly a different era in terms of how relief pitching was viewed, and that helped Lyle’s cause (and hurts Rivera).
“Lyle and Rivera also share a parallel in that both are aided by the standards set for starting pitchers. Lyle was helped by the fact that in every season from 1967 to 1976, the AL Cy Young winner won at least 22 games. In 1977, no AL pitcher won more than 20. Rivera could be aided by something similar. Every AL Cy Young winner since 2001 has won at least 19 games. The AL starting pitcher who will likely look best statistically, Greinke, has only 13 wins at the moment.”
The 1977 AL Cy Young Race:
Sparky Lyle: 13-5, 26 saves, 2.17 ERA (68 K in 137 IP)
Jim Palmer, Orioles: 20-11, 2.91 ERA
Nolan Ryan, Angels: 19-16, 2.77 ERA, 341 K, 204 BB
Dennis Leonard, Royals: 20-12, 3.04 ERA, 244 K
Dave Goltz, Twins: 20-11, 3.36 ERA
Lyle finished with nine first-place votes. The four pitchers listed above got a combined 18 first-place votes (Red Sox reliever Bill Campbell got one first-place vote), but none got more than six. Lyle won the award by an eight-point margin.
Mariano Rivera since June 7:
Saves: 26
ERA: 0.56
IP: 32 1/3
H: 15
K/BB: 33/7
Opp BA: .136
Opp OPS: .379
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Cy Young Vote as of 9/3… IMO
1 Verlander
2 Sabathia
3 Greinke – will get a ton of small market sympathy votes
4 Rivera – always gets screwed in Cy young voting
5 Doc/Slosh Beckett
dennis -
I just don’t think I could take a Sox/Yanks playoff!
The intensity would be unbearable!!!!!!!!!
However, you could bet lots of money that it would be exciting and a fairly even match-up.
I think as well as this season has gone for our Yankees, 2004 still looms as a cautionary tale, so to speak, about getting too far ahead of oneself, at least for some fans (myself among those). I have faith in the Yankees, but baseball is funny sometimes. And I don’t mean “ha-ha” funny.
Greinke is the clear Cy winner, to me. And while their numbers have gotten closer, don’t forget that for the first month or 2 of the season, CC half sucked, and Greinke was completely and totally lights out (I think 4 straight shutouts to start the year). It took until July for his ERA to climb all the way up to 2. He’s been excellent the entire season and, barring a total Sep meltdown, he’s the top pitcher. Especially considering he gets no run support, etc.
mo can’t win the cy young he doesn’t even have the best numbers as a reliever this season…
“Greinke has had a great year, and it will be interesting to see if the voters penalize him for be on a team that didn’t win for him.”
His ERA is going up as the season progresses (4 L in last 10), while CCs is going down. That while beating the RS 2x.
Sorry folks. CC is the better pitcher through the whole campaign.
Doreen.
Hope you are well.
Agreed. It is such a grind to get to the playoffs and then anything can happen. Especially in the ALDS with a 5 game series.
Right now CC is the CY winner IMO with a month to play.
-dennis
A series split would be great here… Since the blue jays are not playing the sux, they may actually realize they need to play baseball
Rishi: No way the NYY make one offer to Damon & Matsui and tell them “first one to take it stays”. That is a lack of respect to 2 guys who have played pretty hard for the team for years. Although it was just a few years ago that C-Money faxed an offer to Mike Stanton and told him he had to decide right then and there. I think the team does things the right way now. I think Matsui will be gone(no room for strictly a DH) and Damon will be back for a reasonable ($8MM/ year?) 1 or 2 year deal.
“There is a distinct possibility that the Rangers overtake LA for the division, meaning we could face the Angels in a 5 game series.”
Or, if the Rangers overtake the Angels, the Angels could be out of it all together.
Tom in NJ – thanks for the link. That was a good read, and goes along with what I’ve read other places. The Yanks’ philosophy seems to be to use their financial might to take guys who might be high-risk arms, but with exceptional upside. Even if only 1-2 out of 7-10 wind up contributing to the major league team, you still come out ahead, and you’ve only spent relatively small mounts of money; that is, compared to what quality FA pitching goes for.
Think about it – how many young prospects can the Yanks sign for what they paid Damaso Marte (not to pick on Marte, just using his $12M contract as an example)?
NYYROC
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:35 am
Rishi: No way the NYY make one offer to Damon & Matsui and tell them “first one to take it stays”. That is a lack of respect to 2 guys who have played pretty hard for the team for years. Although it was just a few years ago that C-Money faxed an offer to Mike Stanton and told him he had to decide right then and there. I think the team does things the right way now. I think Matsui will be gone(no room for strictly a DH) and Damon will be back for a reasonable ($8MM/ year?) 1 or 2 year deal.
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not saying i agree or disagree – just something I read in Buster’s blog this morning and thought might get some discussion going. I agree – I think they do things the right way and I don’t think they want Matsui back…
“If Grienke gave up 25 earned runs in his next inning of work he would have the same ERA as CC.”
Greinke’s made 27 starts. He has 13 wins. His ERA in the 14 games in which he was credited with a loss or no decision is 3.52 or about what Sabathia’s ERA for the year is. 3.52 would represent the 6th best ERA in the AL. Greinke pitched at that level for 14 games and got ZERO wins for his trouble.
BTW, in his 13 wins, his ERA is 1.09.
Dennis-
I have mixed feelings about having to play the Red Sox in the play offs. To me, those games are better than the WS but I find them so stressful to watch.
I have 2 sisters (and families) who live in MA so we have a lot of good natured rivalry. They are long time fans, not band wagoners.
Rishi -
Oooh. I don’t know. I don’t think I like that scenario of here’s one big salary, the first one to blink gets it.
I think the Yankees will take their time. They’ll take a serious look at what’s available either via trade or in the FA market.
Personally, I’d rather have the both of them back (at somewhat reduced salaries and shorter terms, of course) than anyone that seems to be out there right now. These are two proven commodities – they are successful in NY. Each has his assets – Damon’s YS power; Matsui’s hotter than hot streaks where he is the most reliable hitter in the lineup. Each has their deficits. All things being equal, Girardi has shown he can manipulate his roster to get the most out of these guys.
For Matsui, I’d do one year, that’s it. For Damon, a year plus, however they work it out. It buys the Yankees a year for either their own talent to mature or to wait out the current thin FA market.
If they decide to only retain one of those two, my choice would be Damon, because he can still play the field. I would miss Matsui a lot.
Rishi, I know that wasn’t your opinion. Thanks for passing the article along, makes for interesting reading. The NYY do have some interesting options and I think the team can be more selective in what they choose to do.
upstate Kate & dennis -
I just remember 2003. That ALCS was incredible!! The WS became such an afterthought, and I remember being not very upset about not winning the WS that season, because they had already beated the second-best (or, co-first-best) team in baseball!
Greinke is clearly the Cy Young right now.
King Felix, Sabathia and Verlander will get some consideration. It’s too early to call it right now but if the season ended today Greinke would get my vote.
OK, I’ll bite. Who has better numbers than Mo. And what stats are you referring to? I’m not saying you’re wrong, just curious of who I’m overlooking.
Greinke is the clear Cy winner, to me. And while their numbers have gotten closer, don’t forget that for the first month or 2 of the season, CC half sucked, and Greinke was completely and totally lights out (I think 4 straight shutouts to start the year). It took until July for his ERA to climb all the way up to 2. He’s been excellent the entire season and, barring a total Sep meltdown, he’s the top pitcher. Especially considering he gets no run support, etc.
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Well the yankees have a series with the royals this month. They just have to go out and crush grienke and leave that memory for the voters. Hopefully we get a cc vs. grienke game in that series.
NYYROC
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
Rishi, I know that wasn’t your opinion. Thanks for passing the article along, makes for interesting reading. The NYY do have some interesting options and I think the team can be more selective in what they choose to do.
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Just making sure
I also think it might be a little too early to start talking about the off season – I’m not stressed about the rest of the regular season, but don’t want to be disappointed shortly thereafter like in recent years!
The Red Sox after tonight have three games left against the Angels, Rays, and Yanks – other than that they play the dregs of the league.
They are on a bit of a role now so they are probably the playoff team. However, they have issues. Beckett has not been good his last few starts and they hit much worse away from home – which is likely where they will be in the playoffs.
Familiarity breeds contempt and knowledge. I fear the Angels and Sox the most because they have faced the Yankees so many times before. I think this manifests itself primarily with MO.
have we all decided that halladay is out of the running? looks as though he is either pitching hurt, or has given up and hoping to play for a contender in 2010.
Doreen-
I felt the same way.
Rishi, Yes these are great days to be NYY fans! I have a friend at work who is a RS fan and all he does is complain about the RS now!
“Beckett this… and Varitek that…” He hates Varitek, can’t wait for the RS to let him go!!
“have we all decided that halladay is out of the running?”
Yes. Realistically, only 5 names have any business getting 1st place votes: Grienke, Sabathia, Rivera, Verlander and Hernandez.
Looking up the numbers re:CY…Edwin Jackson is having a solid year. By no means Cy numbers but a great bounce back year.
Has CB been around?
-dennis
Dennis, I don’t want the Sox to make the playoffs because they are really dangerous. They’ve played outstanding baseball for a few weeks now and they will be a very tough “out”.
Joe and Evan mentioned on WFAN this morning that the Rangers are only a few games behind the Angels and still play them 7 more times. If the Rangers win the division, the Yanks will play the Angels in the ALDS – not so good, lol
NYYROC
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
Rishi, Yes these are great days to be NYY fans! I have a friend at work who is a RS fan and all he does is complain about the RS now! “Beckett this… and Varitek that…” He hates Varitek, can’t wait for the RS to let him go!!
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totally!! the beginning of the season my rs fan and mets fan family were emailing/IMing every day to “talk about the season” – the mets fans gave up on baseball when football workouts started and the rs fans have been surprisingly quiet since the all star break
Five Iron.
Great post, well said.
-dennis
I don’t bring Matsui back……his knees are not going to get any better and having to work around his complete inability to play the OF is an inconvenience to say the least. The Yankees will have to get creative in obtaining a good, solid OFer
Betsy, I don’t want the Sox to make the playoffs simply because I can’t stand them and their “nation” so much. But the last thing I want to see is the Angels.
Betsy – If the Rangers really overtake the Angels, then the Angels are likely out of the playoffs. They are currently neck and neck with Boston in the standings so if Texas can pick up 5 games it means that Boston will likely pick up a bunch of those as well.
If that is the case then the Yankees play the Central Division – which I can definately live with.
I see a split and 4 more games off the schedual…
Just don’t loose 3 or get swept and all is well…
I don’t know how explicitly this has been discussed, but the Yankee bullpen has the potential to be shut down especially in the first round. If they go with three starting pitchers in the longer series (more off days) then they have Mo, Joba, Phil, Coke/Dunn (this would be a huge surprise if Dunn surpasses Coke), and Marte + others.
CC/AJ (who has to start game 2 at home despite what Pete says)/Pettite to Joba to Phil to Mo with assorted lefties for situational matchups – WOW!
Dennis,
I think the Sox will hold on.
Despite last night, the Rays are out of it.
Texas has the most road games out of all the contenders. 17 out of 29 games.
The Boston-NY ALCS is a very good possibility and is IMO a much needed move back to the “natural order” of things. 5 years is much too long.
I’ve always felt that the 2004 series was a necessity for the Sox Nation. Sort of exorcising one demon before they could move on to the the ultimate.
Bronx – good point.
If the Red Sox play the Angels, which is how it looks at the moment, then at least one of the arch enemies will be eliminated. The Red Sox play the Angels well, but will be the road team. As long as they deplete each others bullpens etc I am all for it.
Betsy.
Amy and I are headed to Philly the week after next. Thanks again for your insight.
I read you are consdiering Savannah to visit. Please let us know as we live in the Historic District in the Winter and Spring. We can help with where to stay and local non tourist spots. Amy I believe has your email through her website.
A Yanks/Sox ALCS is not good for my liver but I prefer it..
-dennis
“Texas has the most road games out of all the contenders. 17 out of 29 games”
The Rangers have a rather appalling .297 team OBP on the road.
Hi all,
I was half asleep when i think i saw this on the MLB network last night, but i’d like to know if anyone else saw it.
So is it true that the Red Sox called up JOSE VERAS (yes THAT Jose Veras)from the minors yesterday? If so I really am at a loss for words on how desperate they have become…
“The Boston-NY ALCS is a very good possibility and is IMO a much needed move back to the “natural order” of things. 5 years is much too long.”
Kind of odd that something that was inconceivable only 15 years ago is thought of as the natural order of things today, isn’t it?
Actually, the Rangers have a great chance to beat LA.
Texas and LA have 7 games against each other.
Then Texas has 3 games against TB at home and the rest of their games are against sub 500 teams.
LA then has 4 games against the Yankees (3 @ home), 3 games against Boston on the road, and the rest against sub 500 teams.
I like the Rangers chances, which makes me happy because I hate to see the Yanks having to go to Anaheim for the playoffs.
“So is it true that the Red Sox called up JOSE VERAS (yes THAT Jose Veras)from the minors yesterday? If so I really am at a loss for words on how desperate they have become…”
I don’t think the Indians would let them.
rex – i’m pretty sure the indians dfa’d him about a month ago…i just wasn’t sure if anyone had picked him up…
rex – i’m pretty sure the indians dfa’d him about a month ago…i just wasn’t sure if anyone had picked him up…
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or maybe not… i just checked that the indians brought him up on sept 1st….
good thing…i would hate for veras to become good again pitching for the redsox…
“So is it true that the Red Sox called up JOSE VERAS (yes THAT Jose Veras)from the minors yesterday? ”
Unfortunately, this is not true.
It can’t be denied that Matsui has done a lot for the current Yankees team. That being said, I would be shocked if both Damon and Matsui returned. Let’s face it, we can’t afford a full-time DH next year when Posada is going to DH as well.
We can’t be sure A-Rod won’t need to DH on occasion as well. I’m sure the list of people who we’ll need to plug into the DH role is larger than I’m thinking too.
It’s clear we appreciate everything Matsui has done for us, but no knees, no contract.
Everyone here grossly undervalues the contributions that Matsui has made at DH this year. I’m pretty certain he would rather take a 1 year, 10 million dollar deal to get around 400 at bats or so here than go somewhere else. And trust me, even with Posada and others getting some ABs at DH, we can and will be able to find 400 at bats for Godzilla.
He’s being undervalued here right now, and I’m actually pretty confident that we’ll see both him and Johnny around next year. Why the heck not? We’re only 37 games over .500 with both of them making contributions so far this year.
Would like to see a rubber stamp of Mitre’s last outing except of course getting whacked on the arm.
G-C, I’m drawing a blank for some reason, but do you know what his current contract has him at salary per year wise. Just wondering.
Like many others said, the bullpen is going to earn their money this weekend. Hopefully Girardi uses all of them and doesn’t burn out Aceves, Coke and Bruney. There are plenty of arms out there and all of them should be utilized.
Barrows, he’s at 13 million right now. So I think 8-10 million would be reasonable in this market (especially when Bobby Abreu, who can still play the field, albeit barely, made 5 million last offseason).
The fact remains he plays against much weaker competition. Greinke doesnt face the Red Sox and Rays 5-6 times a year, even Toronto and Baltimores offense is better than the AL Central. It’s not being a homer to think that CC and Greinke are much closer than the numbers show.
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In fact, I can’t remember the last time I saw a starting pitcher in the AL East, finish with an ERA below 3.00, or the last time an AL East pitcher won It seems as though it just doesn’t happen very often. Maybe Doc?
In fact, I can’t remember the last time I saw a starting pitcher in the AL East, finish with an ERA below 3.00, or the last time an AL East pitcher won a Cy Young. It seems as though it just doesn’t happen very often. Maybe Doc?
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All 4 games of this series are very winnable. The Jays are a very free swinging team, prone to the k, with guys like snider, millar, and bautista. Adv: Gaudin, who has a 9 k per 9 this year. rookie romero did beat us last time we faced him, but if the team is in their groove tonight theyll put up some runs. Game 2: 3 innings of Joba/3 of Aceves vs. the pitcher formerly known as Roy Halladay. Halladay has not been Halladay lately…at all. the yankees have won the last 2 times they faced him, if Joba does his Job and Alfredo pitches well, they can win game 2. Pettitte in game 3 is a gimme, especially against Cecil, who the Yankees got to last time. Game 4 will be Mitre…not sure what we’ll get out of him. We’ll see if the forearm becomes an issue…Tallet does not scare me in the slightest. They can always go to the AAA well for extra relievers like Albaladejo, or a long man like Towers or Hirsh…the problem with this series, is that the relievers are going to get a lot of work, but then on Monday we have a doubleheader without an offday in between. I say expect some AAA guys to make cameos in this series or in the Rays series.
Prediction: Yankees win the first 3 games, lose game 4 because of mitre’s uncertainty and a tired pen.
Yankees take both games of the DH with AJ finally getting his shit together and CC being CC
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Dennis, its a credit to you that you can still be classy even with your RS down. Wish some our own posters were as good as you are.
Dennis-
Waving the white flag so soon?
Greinke is clearly the frontrunner for the CY right now. He has a 2.32 ERA for chrissake! on top of that, 6 CG, 3 SO, petter IP/GS, fewer hits, fewer walks, way more strikeouts, better WHIP. In what way, shape, or form is CC having the better year?
Also, as much as wins are a stupid stat that don’t show much, I think it’s far more impressive to go 13-8 for KC than 16-7 for the Yanks. Greinke has a .619 win% for a team that otherwise has a .339 win%. CC has a .696 win % for a team that otherwise has a .627 win%
On a side note, King Felix is definitely #2 in the Cy race.
also, CC gets an average of 2.96 more runs of support from his offense and Greinke has the worst bullpen in the MLB behind him (even worse than the Orioles and Nats).