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Woe, Canada

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 04, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Nick Swisher and Jerry Hairston Jr. were talking after the game last night about the unfathomable abuse the Yankees were subjected to at the Rogers Centre.

Fans were cursing the players, throwing things at them and generally behaving like idiots. According to Swisher, Toronto has become the worst environment in the league for opposing players. The Yankees have had issues all season, particularly with fans throwing debris at the players in the bullpen. The team’s two security guards were stationed out there last night to keep anything from happening.

Meanwhile, some dope picked up a foul ball and nearly pegged Alfredo Aceves in the head in the sixth inning. The man stood raising his arms and getting congratulated by fellow idiots. It took nearly five minutes for security to reach the area and when they did, the crowd booed.

This has been happening all season to other teams. There is a clear lack of security in the ballpark.

One of our readers, Kevin, sent me this note last night:

I have been to many games since I moved here from Southern Ontario last year. In all but two or three of those games, I have seen large-scale fights break out all over the stadium, police officers having to run to the sections to make arrests, unbelievable profanity being used, as well as debris tossed onto the field.

I was at the opener this year against Detroit and the fans began throwing paper airplanes onto the field. It all started when a fan threw a baseball at Curtis Granderson and just missed him. Jim Leyland took the Tigers off the field and a riot almost broke out. They eventually calmed down when they were warned the Jays would have to forfeit if order was not restored.

The fans here tend to get drunk (at $10 a beer too) and all hell just breaks loose.

Major League Baseball needs to do something about this. It’s a matter of time before somebody gets hurt.

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96 Responses to “Woe, Canada”

  1. Cash is King September 4th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    Wow, I didn’t know they were that bad in Canada.

  2. Gus G. September 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Canadians need to stick to their hockey games.

  3. Stephen September 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    If a ball goes into the stands and a fan immediately throws it back on the field, how could any security in any stadium have prevented it?

    Some things are just unpreventable.

  4. Vince September 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Sooooo funny. Papelfool just has to make sure everybody is aware of his fishface.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....tra_bases/

  5. Mike in Harrisburg September 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    That’s just terrible, eh

  6. Guy Incognito September 4th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    I’d like to see what would happen if they replaced $10 beers with $10 spliffs. It’s Canada, they could figure out a way. I bet the atmosphere would be far more pleasant, and the concession stands would do boffo business.

  7. Cash is King September 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    If you start ejecting fans for throwing balls onto the field and even arresting them then eventually that “throwing of the ball back” practice will slow down.

  8. AlexCT September 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    @ Stephen

    no one expects security to be there every play to physically stop a fan throwing a ball back. there does need to be a presence to let the fans know that if they throw a ball back, they will be ejected or banned. its that fear that will prevent fans from such behavior.

  9. m September 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=6457581

    Well, maybe their mounties aren’t all that bright or quick.

    I’d be interested to know how the Raptor fans are. I’m assuming that the Jays fans haven’t always been this way. Will being a perennial 3rd place team do that to a fanbase?

    I’m assuming that it’s worse for the Yankees because they hate them (and they’re good!), there’s probably some anti-American sentiment, and they’re taking on the personality of Gaston Cito.

    The Jays manager is being forced to say very nice things about the Yankees this year because they’re beating the Jays’ brains in. But he’s been very open about his hatred towards the Yankees.

    The fan behavior at Rogers’ doesn’t make me think the worse about Canadians in general, but it is rather embarrassing. How are their hockey fans?

  10. randy l. September 4th, 2009 at 10:44 am

    “I was in the game thread until the 7th inning last night.”

    sj44-

    thanks because there was quite a bit of discussion that it wasn’t you. basically the point of people who said you were an impostor was that you could not possibly draw any conclusions about gaudin from last night’s effort that would tell you anything about whether he’ll be on the playoff roster or how well he’ll do in the future.

    my point is posters like you who with an educated baseball eye based on years of varied baseball experience can indeed give a good analysis of what to expect from someone from watching an individual performance.
    your very right to speculate about the future from what you saw last night from gaudin was challenged.

    nick in sf however asserted your right to do exactly that. i’m of the opinion that people who can predict with a relatively high probability future performance of a player from watching a small sample are the ones that i want to read.

    this whole wait till all the resuts are in is nonsense because once all the results are in everyone knows anyway. the trick is to predict with as little clues as possible. that’s what makes a great scout. they can see it at a glance sometimes.

    that said, everyone has bad days and it’s important to verify small sample projections. no one is always right, but sj, keep the projections coming. i think they are one of the best things going on the blog.

  11. tex's friend September 4th, 2009 at 10:47 am

    i can’t believe people in toronto still care enough to fight.

  12. Ororo September 4th, 2009 at 10:47 am

    …..blame it on the Canadian socialist health care system.

  13. Andrew September 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    I’m sure the atmosphere will get more pleasent by the day if the Yankees keep pounding Toronto this weekend as they’ve done for most of this year. Shouldn’t Toronto be content to leave New York alone, considering the state is gifting them NFL games, albeit NFL games that involve watching the Bills?

  14. matt September 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    i live in toronto and im ashamed of the fans behaviour. it wasnt always like this but the fans have gotten this way because the team has been so bad the last few years.

  15. Erica - always OPPC September 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    That’s so sad.

    Then again, baseball isn’t the “national pasttime” in Canada. (I am not entirely sure it is in the US anymore either, but that is a different subject)

  16. betsy September 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Good points about Bruney, SJ and Cash ……thanks for explaining and not attacking me.

    Wow, something needs to be done about these fans. I don’t think Toronto fans are the only ones that engage in this disgusting behavior. In fact, I remember Royals fans throwing coins onto the field a few years ago – disgraceful. I also remember a Yankee fan throwing a knife at Wally Joyner………Fans are completely out of control. When Shane Victorino had beer thrown on him at a Cubs game, not one person pointed out the guilty party and, in fact, they allowed security to eject the wrong man. Fans are jealous of the $$$ players make – yet they don’t care that Tom Cruise makes more $$ for one movie than most players make over the course of their entire careers. I find it ironic – most of these idiots buy lottery tickets in the hope they can win free $$$, but they begrudge players who actually do something to earn that $$$. They also think players ought to be perfect given the size of their contracts……..like that makes any sense. I really think fans don’t like the players – they almost don’t think of them as human. If they did, how could they justify treating them the way they do.

    That said, Blue Jay fans really hate the Yankees and so I can’t say I’m surprised that they have a history of this type of behavior.. Thank goodness Aceves wasn’t hurt, but is a player going to have to actually get hurt in order for something to be done?

  17. tex's friend September 4th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    ‘fans’ feel empowered to act like that because they know the players cannot do anything about it. You get a Ron Artest/Stephen Jackson type person or a Milton Bradley who will go into the stands, and then lets see how tough those losers are, cowering away.

  18. Shari September 4th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    wow that’s unfathomable to me. There’s always an abundance of cops at home games, its hard for me to ever imagine this happening at Yankee Stadium. They REALLY need more cops, I agree.

  19. letter10 September 4th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    i was recently in toronto on business and caught a red sawx vs jays game at the rogers centre and did not notice the “idiots”…seemed like “normal” game fan behavior to me. of course it could have been where i was sitting to, or i just got lucky. it did seem like half the fans had no idea what was going on so i can see that when they get too drunk (and yes $10 beer in toronto, crazy!) and their team is not playing well they get bored and idiocy ensues.

    too bad really, toronto seemed like a pretty nice city.

  20. ADam September 4th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    clowns….. I bet JP Richardi can’t wait to get fired…

  21. tex's friend September 4th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    it’s becoming clearer and clearer why Roy Halladay has finally decided he wants out of Canada. It’s aBOOT time Halladay plays for a winner.

  22. ditmars1929 September 4th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    I simply cannot fathom behavior of this sort. I’m a very passionate baseball fan and the off season with no games drives me insane, but for God’s sake, it’s just a game. There are more important real life issues to get worked up over and even with those, you should mind your manners and act like a real person instead of a moron.

  23. Wang IS Taiwan September 4th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Yeah, while meanwhile Canadians are constantly accusing Americans as being gun-toting hooligans while they’re the great peacemakers! Whatever. I guess the truth is out.

    The MLB needs to address this issue immediately. The Yankees should threaten to refuse to play there until more security is provided. The players should never be put in harm’s way.

    Feeling very red, white and blue today. You get that way living abroad sometimes.

  24. SJ44 September 4th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Randy,

    As you know, auditions for playoff spots are not a, “let’s wait and see how it goes” type of thing.

    For guys like Chad Gaudin, you get limited opportunities to impress. Forcing Girardi to go to the bullpen in the 4th inning as he was in the process of blowing a 5 run lead to a dead team is not helping Gaudin’s chances. Nor is it, “attacking” him.

    Bottom line, he pitched like garbage last night and deciding it didn’t happen doesn’t make it untrue.

    Its simply stating the obvious. When you have a limited window to show your possible post-season value and pitch like that, the window closes very, very quickly.

    Six clean innings last night puts him in the discussion for a post-season roster spot. Last night’s performance puts him on the backburner.

    That’s just the way it is in pro sports. Its about taking advantage of your limited opportunities to impress.

    As far as fan behavior is concerned, I think all ballparks need to get stricter. If you throw something onto the field, you should be removed, arrested and banned from ever coming back.

    This idea of, “I paid X number of dollars for a ticket, I can do whatever I want”, is BS.

    If you can’t act like a civilized human being at the ballpark, then you lose your right to be at the ballpark.

    I’ll never understand the mentality of people who go to games and decide they want to upstage the game with their actions. Makes no sense to me.

  25. Wang IS Taiwan September 4th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Look at their national pastime — they beat the crap out of each other.

  26. Zach September 4th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    “I have been to many games since I moved here from Southern Ontario last year. In all but two or three of those games, I have seen large-scale fights break out all over the stadium, police officers having to run to the sections to make arrests, unbelievable profanity being used, as well as debris tossed onto the field.”

    Toronto may be the worse, and Yankees fans dont throw stuff out on the field. But fights and profanity? Come on that happens everywhere, including YS.

    “Major League Baseball needs to do something about this.”
    Ban alcohol and your problems go away (at all stadiums); but they’re not going to do this so they’ll advice Toronto to add more security and give more warnings to their fans, etc.

  27. jennifer September 4th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Stephen it isn’t the fact that security didn’t stop him. It is the fact that it took a very long time to escort him out!

    But I agree this nonsense of idiots throwing the ball back on the field needs to stop. And the way to stop it is to arrest the idiots who do it. If I catch a ball I’m throwing it back!

    I also didn’t realize things were that bad in Toronto. Throwing things in the bullpen? That is so childish. Were those people found and arrested? Meanwhile if any of those players turned around and belted the person who did it they would sue.

  28. Zach September 4th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    they’ll give advice to*

  29. jennifer September 4th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    that should be I’m NOT throwing it back. LOL

  30. tex's friend September 4th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    refusing to play is not going to stop the jays fans from being rowdy, it will make it worse. mlb should quietly deal with this issue, security, bigger fines, arrests (not just ejection), perhaps a nice taze from a cattle prod.

  31. m September 4th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    There’s a lot of talk about Gaudin on the ps roster.

    I don’t think the Yankees were thinking of him having any post-season role when they signed him. No thoughts at all.

  32. upstate kate September 4th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    I am very surprised. Toronto is the closest MLB park for us (Montreal used to be). We have gone to games wearing Yankee gear and never had any trouble, people were very friendly.

    Haven’t been in a few years tho, since it is an overnight trip anyway, we decided we might just as well go to Yankee Stadium

  33. bob mackenzie September 4th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    What’s all the excitement aboot, eh?

  34. Rex September 4th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    “What’s all the excitement aboot, eh?”

    Take off, you hoser.

  35. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes September 4th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    This is really weird.

    Aren’t Canadians usually an exceptionally calm bunch? The only time I ever hear about Canada is when their professional sports teams play American teams. Otherwise, they’re as quiet as a graveyard.

  36. Dan September 4th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    I’m really surprised by this. I went to a Blue Jays – Yankee baseball game in Toronto in the early 90′s, when the Blue Jays were very good and selling out the stadium every day. What I remembered about that game was how quiet the fans were, and I thought they were so well behaved and so well mannered that it was a terrible baseball environment — very little cheering, no booing. I guess Generation Xer’s are the difference; they have the money to show up and demonstrate what philestines they are.

  37. gayle September 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Seems like Yankee Stadium really is becoming an all year round kind of venue. This from the Yes Network tweet

    On 9/10, Yankee Stadium will host a press conference on the field to announce boxing match between Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao

  38. Losjanks September 4th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Hard to imagine a world where Philly fans aren’t the most unruly…what’s this world coming to?

  39. randy l. September 4th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    “I absolutely do not believe that is SJ. SJ is definitely not that pretentious.
    And whoever is writing this stuff, you don’t have a clue whether or not Gaudin will be on the postseason roster. And making a judgement based on one outing sure makes you look foolish.

    September 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 pm
    Oh please rconn. Do you know how many times we’ve had an SJ imposter here. So we all try to think of the SJ we know the best and when the comments don’t seen like something he would say, we say so. Go back to sleep.”

    sj44-

    i admire your ability to stay rational when someone is calling you a fool or foolish. it’s not one of my strong points.

    anyway, thanks for clearing that up about last night.

    it’s sometimes hard to define when an outing is crucial to a player’s career, but last night for gaudin was a biggie . he knew it and everyone on the yankees knew it . he didn’t come through under pressure. that’s exactly what they were watching to see.

    he still has a chance to show something, but that was a very big opportunity. i’m with you, keep the auditions moving. if one guy can’t cut it , move on to the next guy. this month is all about finding the right guys who can take the playoff heat.

  40. William Buckner September 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    “Ban alcohol and your problems go away (at all stadiums)”

    You don’t need to ban beer. You need to not over serve. An easy way to help security is for ushers to watch people getting out of hand.

    Once they’re identified, call security to come over and politely remind these idiots that if they continue, they will be removed.

    I’ve seen this approach taken at a couple of places (it was done very well at a Penn St/ND game I was at a few years back).

    People get caught up in mob mentality, but security coming around straightens them back out goes a long way.

  41. Rex September 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    “On 9/10, Yankee Stadium will host a press conference on the field to announce boxing match between Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao”

    Nice. They almost got major college football to come there too….but settled for Notre Dame instead.

  42. bill September 4th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    I have witnessed it first hand attending Yankee games there. I wonder if the boston fans get the same abuse or if its all reserved for NY fans? I can’t believe its worse than how red sox fans behave up in boston but maybe it is. I have been to games at rogers centre the past 5 years but not to fenway.

  43. tex's friend September 4th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Nice. They almost got major college football to come there too….but settled for Notre Dame instead.

    ___

    TOUCHE.

  44. Shame SPencer September 4th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    Guy Incognito – couldnt agree more.

  45. ANSKY September 4th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Simple solution to fans throwing stuff onto the field:

    You know the netting most stadiums usually have hanging over the fans behind home plate from over the first row to the face of the mezz level or upper decks? Continue that around the entire first deck and bleachers.

    Go on the assumption that fans in the upper deck won’t be throwing stuff far enough onto the filed to hurt anyone, so don’t bother up there. But if they’re throwing stuff from there too, do it upstairs.

    How to decide where to put it? Well, I’d only do it in stadiums such as Rogers Ctr where fans have proven it to be necessary. I was in Baltimore once and they were really good. No need to do it there. Just a rowdy bleacher creature problem in one particular stadium? Cover just the bleachers, no more HR balls for those fans.

    It shouldn’t be in areas where the rare harmless beachball or paper plane or streaker gets loose on the field. Of course take those particular fans out & arrest them. If it’s a dangerous or chronic problem somewhere, then the team has to take action. How do you define dangerous or chronic? That’s open for discussion. But it should be done where fans have proven that it’s needed. How to pay for it? Raise ticket prices at that stadium by a few bucks.

    The message should be that if a particular body of fans can behave like people instead of monkeys, there’s no need to put up the screens. If they can’t, there is a need. You can’t catch a foul ball or a HR? Tough. So many fans shouldn’t have thrown stuff on the field several times a game for so long. Simple as that.

    As for the fights in the stands, make VAST alcohol free zones or totally cut out beer sales in the whole stadium. Problem mostly solved. Some people will still act like a horses arse anyways, or get rip-roaring drunk before the game.

  46. Tom in N.J. September 4th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Rex:

    There soon may be college football:

    “Big Ten officials have met with Yankee Stadium representatives to discuss a bowl game that would be played at the so-called “House that George Built.””

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....1916.story

  47. Rex September 4th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    Interesting, Tom. A Big 10 game would be pretty cool. Something like Michigan or Wisconsin vs. Penn State would be great. Wonder how those teams would feel about giving up a home game gate though.

  48. ditmars1929 September 4th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    I thought it was the “House that Greed Built”???

  49. Family Guy September 4th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Contraction.

  50. Paul T September 4th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    They’re probably just pissed off they’re Canadians.

  51. Rishi September 4th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    Article on Derek Jeter hitting Lou Gehrig’s record:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4443005

    it’s a nice read

  52. Chambliss September 4th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Much like the situation in Baltimore, the Toronto state of affairds has become a joke. You can see it in their faces. They have given up. Gaudin should be embarrased for allowing them to come back in the game.

    As for the fans, any fan who throws anything, including a ball, onto the field should be tossed in a jail cell for the night.

    Hopefully Halladay will continue his post all star break malaise tonight. He seems to have given up after the failed effort to trade him before the deadline. It would be nice for Joba to be sharp, even if for only three or four innings.

  53. Mark in Tampa September 4th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Many will probably remember this from 1986 at Yankee Stadium, as well as countless batteries and other assorted debris thrown on the field. It isn’t just a Toronto problem. Thankfully, I don’t think Yankee Stadium has seen much of this for a long time, though: From the LA times,

    Wally Joyner was very nearly an eyewitness to a knifing in the Bronx Tuesday night.

    His own.

    Joyner was walking off the Yankee Stadium field alongside Mike Witt, the winning pitcher in the Angels’ 2-0 victory, when a large metallic object thrown from the stands hit the first baseman on the right forearm.

    “I thought it was a big comb at first,” Joyner said.

    Then Joyner looked down on the ground. What he saw, what had just bounced off him, was a folding knife. A big folding knife. And it was open.

    “The next thing I saw was the back of the dugout wall,” Joyner said. “I was out of there.”

    Joyner escaped without any injury, save for maybe some frazzled nerves. “It just nicked me,” he said. “The side of it hit my arm and glanced off it.”

    Witt was only a couple of feet away. He saw the object hit Joyner but also had no idea it was a knife. “If I did,” he said, “I would’ve ducked.”

    Angel Manager Gene Mauch retrieved the knife and handed it to a security guard.

    “Where’d that come from?” the guard asked.

    Mauch pointed to the upper deck. “Up there,” he said.

    The knife was nearly a foot long, according to Mauch. “You wouldn’t have too much trouble killing a bear with it,” he said.

    Now you know why they call this place The Bronx Zoo.

    “There are places I’d sooner play than Yankee Stadium,” Mauch said. “I’ve been hit with nuts, I’ve been hit with bolts here. But that’s the first knife I’ve ever seen.”

    Pitching coach Marcel Lachemann was a little stronger in his assessment of Yankee Stadium.

    “There are some sick (bleeping) people here,” he said.

    The Angels made their escape from New York with their health intact, which they considered a bargain at any rate

  54. fred September 4th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    going back to 86, thats a long time ago

  55. jimmy1138 September 4th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Where are the glory days of ten cent beer night, disco demolition night or when Ty Cobb incited some riots?

  56. Alan September 4th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    If in fact there is an audition between Gaudin and Mitre then Mitre wins out and not because of his last outing.
    Mitre keeps his pitches low in the strike zone and would be a better candidate for one inning use in the postseason.
    Bruney has yet to make a case.

  57. marie September 4th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    I recently took a family vacation to Vancouver BC. All I can say is, they have A LOT of work to do before hosting the Olympics there next year. I have been there in the past but something was different this time. It was absolutely the most poorly-run, out-of-control city I have ever visited, and I have been in major cities both on this continent and abroad. There were middle-of-the day drug dealings going on in practically every alley of the city that we walked by, prostitutes approaching cars also in the middle of the day in tourist areas, garbage all over the streets, terrible parking options, and I could go on. I thought this situation might be confined to Vancouver but I guess they are out of control in Toronto as well.

    What’s up, Canada????

  58. GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    People need not forget the behavior of Yankee fans at YS when they’d throw coins, batteries, bottles and on more than a few occassions, small pocket knives. No ball park is immune to idiotic and animalistic behavior, whether it’s baseball, football, hockey, basketball or soccer. As of yet, nobody has been shot or knifed in the YS parking lots, nor, have police had to fire on out of control victory riots of other cities. There are a lot of changes that need to be made to get the lunatic fringe ferreted out.

  59. Rishi September 4th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Did I read the crawl right? was CC named AL pitcher of the month for August?

  60. Rishi September 4th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    :arrow:

  61. Cash is King September 4th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    “Good points about Bruney, SJ and Cash ……thanks for explaining and not attacking me.”

    Betsy,
    You’re welcome. One more thing, if you look at recent playoff history, you will see most AL clubs that are successful in the playoffs do so with 5-6 bullpen guys they use in each of their series. The NL teams usually have 6-7 relievers because of pinch-hitting situations that the AL manager doesn’t have to worry about until the WS, with games being played in the NL ballpark.

    Right now, I see Girardi sticking with Rivera, Hughes, Aceves, Robertson, Marte and Coke. Joba might get a relief appearance in the first round due to what I stated earlier about the Yankees having the opportunity to space out their games with off days in between gamedays. After the first round, Girardi will still probably stick mainly to those six guys with maybe, Bruney or Gaudin getting some garbage innings in a blowout game.

  62. Wait till the ALDS September 4th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    This is from saverno at Kim Jones’ blog:

    http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.c.....ronto.html

    “Ladies night, huh… Lost my mom, a huge Yankees/Jeter fan Monday. Took 2 teenage girls to the game tonight and sat on the 3rd base line. Even paid a lot of money for the tix. What did we experience? Rude Jays fans…

    Yankees fans are tough, we take the jeers for ARod, Jeter, et al while cheering on our team. But f-bombs and other rude language are uncalled for. When I subtetly let on to the usher the language being used was unacceptable, he issued them a warning. OK. Then an inning later more ushers came and escorted two of the offenders (there were at least 6) out. And then they came back. And accused us of blowing them in (it was others in the crowd, Jays fans all). And then tried to intimidate us. We left bottom of the 8th and stayed up top to watch ARod homer. Where we would have been sitting. Huh.

    We love Rogers Centre because were upstate fans and that is a great place to watch our favorite team. We will go again but sit behind the Yankee dugout where we usually sit. But then again, it that “safe”? Ask Alfredo.”

  63. sab September 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    as punishment for being such bad and unruly fans towards the yankees MLB should force them to trade roy halladay for a package of chad gaudin, sergio mitre and brian bruney (thats more than they got for alex rios)..

    on a more serious note…seeing how bad the tampa rays bullpen has been this whole year and especially the last 3 days vs the redsox – would a package of austin jackson, brain bruney (or if they’d prefer phil coke)and mark melancon be able to get them carl crawford? when you get less then half of your staudium full in a pennant race against the team you are chasing (red sox) i think saving that 10 million dollars on crawford would be, unfortunately, imperative…

  64. Chambliss September 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Tampa is hopeless. They are not wild about trading in the division, but they might just be willing to make a deal to shed Crawford’s salary.

  65. thomo September 4th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    This is very surprising to me. When the Sky Dome first opened I attended many games there as I lived in Western NY. In those days fans were overly polite – applauding most everything regardless if it was the home or visiting team. It also flies in the face of my experience visiting Canada often – I find Canadians to be extremely polite.

  66. Joe B September 4th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    All the fighting sounds like a Buffalo Bills Game!

  67. sar515 September 4th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    And I always thought our neighbors to the North were the most polite people…

    Maybe they miss hockey!

  68. skinnyhead September 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    When I was up there for a series in 1996 you couldn’t get a good checker game going in that place.

  69. Kevin September 4th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    Hi everyone, I’m Kevin, whose e-mail Peter kindly published in his blog today. I sat yesterday right by 1B, about 8 rows up. I’ve also sat a few rows back of RF, basically in line with the right fielder. I can tell you the fans are just absolutely out of control here. There is a real mob mentality, and sometimes I just do not feel safe. There is a real anti-Yankees sentiment here in Toronto and it’s very important to stay close to as many Yankees fans as possible at Skydome (usually not a hard thing to do). The profanity is unbelievable, there’s almost always a fight and they really abuse the players. They are not exagerating how awful they are.

    Opening Night this year was the worst. I was literally covering my head because things were just being tossed on the field and I was 6 rows back. The fans went nuts when Leyland took the Tigers off the field too. The problem is the fans don’t think it’s a big deal either and I’m making too much of it. However one thing I want to point out is Rogers Centre had a 5-game suspension of their liquor license. One of those 5 was the second game of the year and the crowd was immaculate. They were calm and relaxed and just enjoyed the game, so I think there is a correlation.

    Finally, I will tell you all one thing and that is that I am a little worried about Saturday and Sunday as they are usually at their worst when the sun is out. They drink more beer and there are more problems.

    Kevin

  70. Damon September 4th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Has anyone noticed that Aceves will come close to most wins on the team,with the Joba rules?
    He already has more in relief than the #2 AJ.He may not catch CC, but he could come in second.

  71. Robbykid September 4th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Wasnt there a story of Cito Gaston not playing one of his players because his feet were too big?

  72. psssst September 4th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Why does Posada’s day off coincide when CC’s on the mound,and Molina catching?

  73. hugh September 4th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    -psssst

    What are you suggesting, CC doesn’t want Posada as catcher?

  74. psssst September 4th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Hugh-

    Bingo!!

  75. Tunnel Man September 4th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    psssst September 4th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Why does Posada’s day off coincide when CC’s on the mound,and Molina catching?

    ===============================================
    it’s a conspiracy

  76. Tom September 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    That idiot last night that threw the ball that almost hit aceves in the head should be prosecuted, he obviosly knows nothing about the game and the rules of being a spectator, and then after it took security and hour to find him he is surprised about it with his his 5th beer in his hand, stupid cunuck ! I seen a lot of homers thrown back nut not foul balls! their just pissed cause the jays will never do anything in AL east and on top of that their hockey teams suck ass !

  77. Tunnel Man September 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Robbykid September 4th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Wasnt there a story of Cito Gaston not playing one of his players because his feet were too big?
    ====================================================
    That’s when they called up Side-Show Bob.

  78. hugh September 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    -Psssst

    Sigh!

  79. Tunnel Man September 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    Tom September 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    That idiot last night that threw the ball that almost hit aceves in the head should be prosecuted, he obviosly knows nothing about the game and the rules of being a spectator, and then after it took security and hour to find him he is surprised about it with his his 5th beer in his hand, stupid cunuck ! I seen a lot of homers thrown back nut not foul balls! their just pissed cause the jays will never do anything in AL east and on top of that their hockey teams suck ass !
    =====================================================

    On the other hand, he has a pretty good arm. We should bring him in for a tryout.

  80. Paul playe September 4th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    I guess you could call the security at the Rogers Centre Socialized Security, security rationed to a few sections at a time….

  81. Kevin September 4th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Hey look one other thing. These people are morons. But at Leafs games and Raptors games, there’s never any problems. Torontonians are overall pretty decent people. It just so happens that the knuckleheads decide to go to the Jays game.

    They’re lunatics at Toronto FC games but it fits the Toronto culture I suppose.

  82. psssst September 4th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    I know this will never happen,but,I wish new divisions were formed that weren’t based on were your team is located.i.e Yankees Angels,Tex,Bos and Det.

  83. 86w183 September 4th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Yeah, let’s put the five best teams in one division so that three of the best teams in the league miss the playoffs. Brilliant!

    The problem with crowd control always comes down to things. The level of security and willingness to prosecute. A good point was made about the compete acceptance of throwing HR balls back on the field. It’s hard to say that’s okay but throwing back foul balls isn’t. It has to be universally unacceptable and strongly punished. Nothing else will work.

    It’s just like storming the field/floor after a college team wins a big game. It should never be tolerated. We’ve had kids killed, limbs broken and such and it still continues. I’m convinced that won’t stop in college until a mob storms the field and attacks opposing players and coaches.

    No fan should ever be allowed to get away with throwing anything on to the field/floor and they should never be allowed on it. Once you sanction one form of mob behavior it’s hypocritical to criticize/control other forms.

  84. Tom September 4th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    psssst
    September 4th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
    I know this will never happen,but,I wish new divisions were formed that weren’t based on were your team is located.i.e Yankees Angels,Tex,Bos and Det.

    I like the idea but I dont think jeter is gone want to fly to Cali 9 or 10 times a year ! But seriosly if the jays want any hope they should be thrown to the NL east or swap them with the indians, if that never happens there always their always gone be number 4 in the division.

  85. Cindy September 4th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    all the Yankee games I attend are “away” games.. I live in So Ca and drive to Anaheim when the Yanks come to play the Angels… and I’ve definitely noticed a LOT more bad behavior lately.. even in the laid back O.C. !
    My husband and I swore we would never go to a Friday night game again after this past July .. the obnoxious drunks were out in full force.. but we all know that they aren’t going to stop selling beer!!.. and lose the $$

  86. Richie September 4th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Selling alcohol at sporting events makes as much sense as letting prisoners lift weights.

  87. Kevin from Edmonton September 4th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    I can’t believe all the comments that playing on stereotypes.

    As a Canadian baseball fan how doesn’t particularly like hockey I find some of the comments made offensive. There are bad fans everywhere.

    We are “p*ssed off because we are Canadian”? It must be “because we have socialized healthcare”. Our national sport (I assume this person meant hockey even though it’s actually Lacrosse)is “people just beating the crap out of each other”? Or “maybe this just miss hockey”. I suppose I could go on but it would be fruitless.

    Don’t judge all Canadians by the actions of a few idiots. Just like I won’t judge all Americans by the action of a few American idiot sports fans. It is patently unfair and somewhat xenophobic.

    Just my two cents (that’s 1.8 cents US). LOL

  88. k September 4th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    I have to agree with Kevin from Edmonton. I am Canadian, I was at the game, I love the Yankees. Don’t judge all Canadians by the behaviour of a few idiots. The whole Canadians should stick to hockey is also offensive. I would hate for Canadians to start judging all Americans by a few acts made by idiots at a sporting game. I have seen bad behaviour at other ball parks too.

  89. Zero September 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    It probably wouldnt take much to get the embarrassment that is the Blue Jays contracted or relocated. They have basically no fanbase, a complete dive of a stadium (is there a worse looking field in MLB? I cant think of one), and teams dont like going there. I say get baseball out of Canada altogether. Move them to Vegas or something.

  90. Jim from Edmonton September 4th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    I went to two Jays games in August, a Yankees game (sat in the lower deck near 3rd base) and an Orioles game (upper deck behind home plate). I didn’t see a single example of bad behaviour, hear a single obscenity, no one threw anything, and no one even got angry. Everyone around us seemed to just be enjoying the game. There was minimal drinking, and I saw more ice cream bars being consumed than beers.
    My point is not that there aren’t idiots at Jays games (or sporting events everywhere) but that the idiots are a very small percentage of the crowd. And as a Canadian, I certainly agree that something should be done about said idiots. They ruin the game for others, as well as ruining the reputation of an entire fan base, city, and country (as demonstrated by many of the comments above).

  91. k September 4th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Jim, couldn’t have said it better myself.

    On the dinking @ sporting events note, I am surprised that alcohol can be consumed so close to field level.

  92. Luds September 4th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    Believe me folks, all fellow non-Torontonian Canadians hate everyone from Toronto. This is a perfect example why.

  93. Kevin from Edmonton September 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Jim from Edmonton, good to see another Yankee fan in the YEG!!

  94. Lou_in_Vermont September 4th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Interesting about the rowdy Toronto fans. Maybe that incident with Alex Rios wasn’t his fault. The press made it sound like he was rude to the fans. Maybe the fans were very rude to Rios.

  95. Jim from Edmonton September 4th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    Kevin, I’ve been a fan since Mantle, Maris, Ford and Berra. It’s fun to drop my Yankee allegiance into a conversation with friends (mostly Blue Jay supporters) and hear the cries of outrage!

  96. Karen September 5th, 2009 at 8:32 am

    Oh my! This is just horrible. Where does manners go?

    The MLB should do something about it sooner.

    GO Yanks!!!

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