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Brett Gardner update

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 05, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brett Gardner was 1 for 3 with two runs scored, three walks and a stolen base for Scranton tonight in a 10-0 victory against Rochester.

Gardner is 1 for 8 with three runs scored, five walks and three steals in three games. He’s expected to play a final rehab game today and then join the Yankees at home on Monday.

In other news:

The Royals are so bad that even when Zack Greinke allows run in eight innings at home, they still can’t win. The Angels remain six games behind the Yankees. … Russ Ortiz got released by the Rockies, the team he signed with after bolting Scranton. Meanwhile, the Yankees just called up Josh Towers. Good move, Russ. … Double-A Trenton won and stayed alive in the Eastern League with a 4-3 victory at New Britain in 12 innings. They need to win Sunday and Monday to earn a wild-card berth.

 
 

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75 Responses to “Brett Gardner update”

  1. Erik A September 5th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    Go Brett! Go Josh! Go Thunder!

  2. frankie b September 5th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    hey pete, looks like humberto sanchez starting to pitch well,do you think will se him next year.

  3. Alias September 5th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    I have GGBG withdrawal.

  4. m September 5th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Hopefully the batting comes around, but looks like the other parts of his game are working just fine.

    *Phil Hughes: His ERA of 1.11 is the lowest of any American League reliever with at least 40 innings. 3 hrs ago

  5. hardwired7 September 5th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    lol @Jon Heyman calling Clemens a ‘future jailbird’:

    # clemens needs to pay trainer mcnamee, apologize and cut deal with feds now. #cyyoungwinners, #liars, #futurejailbirds

    about 5 hours ago from web

  6. Shari September 5th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    Gardy! SO excited!!! Missed him! Woot woot!

  7. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes September 6th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    In a way, the injury may wind up helping us.

    Younger guys not used to playing full ML seasons tend to wear down by August/Sept.

    Gardner’s legs should be fresh as a daisy for the stretch drive and postseason.

  8. m September 6th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    A look at all the casualties.

    Check out the pix. Anyone who’s seen Brackman-did he drop weight? Can’t imagine him being that skinny as a basketball player.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09.....f=baseball

  9. john September 6th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    I took your advice and went to the Trenton Thunder game with my son. The starter, Ryan Pope, went 7.2 innings, allowed 5 hits, 3 runs, 1 bb, and 4 k’s. He probably should have only given up 2 runs, but a misguided throw by SS Eduardo Nunez allowed runners to advance. 5 batters, including Nunez and Pilittere (C) had multiple hits. Kanekoa J Texeira pitched 2.1 innings allowing 1 hit and striking out 3 for the win. The game was 12 innings long.

  10. Abdababdaserser September 6th, 2009 at 12:10 am

    Brackman has always been thin looking. Looking at him next to Cox makes Cox look like Pedroia standing next to just about anyone. ;)

  11. Laura • This is our year! September 6th, 2009 at 12:19 am

    Melky could use some relief.

  12. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 12:27 am

    RMEL September 6th, 2009 at 12:18 am

    Giuseppe, come on your a smart guy…you believe what Cash says…He has to say that….its a game of poker…Did you think we where going to get Tex on Dec 15th last year…you can’t believe a word any GM is saying because it could hinder a future move…So please believe Hughes is the rotation next year…I will when i see it, until then he is the pen….By way who is that late innings guy you want Cash to find…give me the name….

    ————-

    They’ve said the exact same thing about Joba and they’ve obviously stuck to their guns. So much so that they are going through this much trouble with the Joba Rules to keep his innings in check.

    A lot of people thought Joba would eventually go back to the pen this season. Well, they were dead wrong. The Yanks have no intention of doing moving him back.

    It’s a lot tougher to develop strong young starters than relievers. That’s an argument that’s not even debatable. That’s why the best paid closers, not set-up men, earn a max of $45M per season and the best paid starters make $140-160M.

    I personally don’t care who they get to fill the 8th inning role next season. I just want him to be effective so we don’t have to hear this garbage for another season.

  13. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 12:30 am

    RMEL September 6th, 2009 at 12:22 am

    that i do believe….I would trade Montero, Z-Mac, and Jackson…and maybe Melancon too…but did you think the Marlins where going to trade Beckett a few years ago…He is due for a raise and the Marlins might want to trade high…which is smart…we have the chips without Hughes or Joba

    ———–

    Don’t bet on that. The Marlins got Hanley Ramirez and a couple of big arms, including Sanchez.

    A team like the Marlins isn’t going to trade an elite arm like that without Hughes or Joba plus others in return.

  14. L to the 2nd September 6th, 2009 at 12:31 am

    Nice to see GGBG back soon.

    The amount of pitching injuries in the minors is staggering – I know the Yanks went after some high risk guys, but this is ridiculous.

  15. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    It’s a lot tougher to develop strong young starters than relievers. That’s an argument that’s not even debatable. That’s why the best paid closers, not set-up men, earn a max of $45M per season and the best paid starters make $140-160M.

    ————–

    Oops, that’s supposed to be $36-$45M deals for elite closers (K-Rod and Mo) and $140-160M for elite starters (Santana and Sabathia).

  16. Abdababdaserser September 6th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    “earn a max of $45M per season and the best paid starters make $140-160M.”

    Errr, isn’t that contract? If they are making that much a season I’m becoming a relief pitcher! :lol:

  17. River Mike September 6th, 2009 at 12:35 am

    From MLBTR -

    The Red Sox will get their first look at Cuban shortstop Jose Iglesias, who they signed for $8.5MM back in July, in the Arizona Fall League. Gammons spoke to an NL GM who said he would have given Iglesias $12MM if his team could afford it, because “Our scouts say he’s the best defensive shortstop they’ve ever seen.”

  18. jennifer September 6th, 2009 at 12:37 am

    Russ Ortiz got released by the Rockies, the team he signed with after bolting Scranton. Meanwhile, the Yankees just called up Josh Towers. Good move, Russ

    haha what an idiot. Congrats to Josh, he’ll see some time either game on Monday In all likelihood.

  19. L to the 2nd September 6th, 2009 at 12:37 am

    Gee, more RS prospect hype from Gammons?

    Who’da thunk it?

  20. Scott September 6th, 2009 at 12:39 am

    I watched Brett tonight and last night in Rochester – that guy really moves. Whether its chasing down a fly ball or trying to beat out a grounder he seems to give it 100% all the time every time.

  21. Richie September 6th, 2009 at 12:44 am

    Peter Gammons aka Red Sox PR flack

  22. Phil September 6th, 2009 at 12:46 am

    So an NL team would pay 12M for a guy who can’t hit? Okay, Pete.

  23. m September 6th, 2009 at 12:55 am

    Lol @ Peter Gummins.

    Whatever you say, El Presidente.

    Anyone else get a good chuckle when Coney was saying that the word is that the Red Sox will be interested in Scutaro? Coney talked about their SS problems since they let Nomah go.

  24. L to the 2nd September 6th, 2009 at 1:04 am

    Scutaro would be a decent pickup for them.

    Probably should’ve never let O Cabrera go.

  25. Rob B (Officially on the Jeter for MVP bandwagon) September 6th, 2009 at 1:04 am

    Looking ahead a bit on the schedule, and I noticed that both the Yankees and TB have a day off on Thursday, the 10th. Just wondering: why not play the make up game on that day rather than do a double header on Monday? Just seems strange to me that they both have a day off at the end of the series, but are doing a doubleheader instead. It’s not like either team really has to travel far for their games on Friday. Yankees stay at home and TB moves on to Boston.

  26. L to the 2nd September 6th, 2009 at 1:06 am

    Makes sense, but there may be an issue about playing too many consecutive days (players’ assn. issue)?

  27. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2009 at 1:32 am

    Towers is just cannon fodder. He’s no better than Chad Gaudin and probably not as good. Jason Hirsh would have been a better choice, but, with him getting hurt in tonight’s game, that’s not happening.

    Interesting news that Scranton released de Caster. Jennings believes that it’s related to de Caster playing for the Netherlands in the World Cup about to start.

  28. 7789 September 6th, 2009 at 1:34 am

    Thank god Gardner is coming back. I am getting tired of seeing Hinske in the outfield. He cost the team 3-4 runs the last two games. Hinske is a nice pinch hitter though.

  29. RMEL September 6th, 2009 at 1:35 am

    I personally don’t care who they get to fill the 8th inning role next season. I just want him to be effective so we don’t have to hear this garbage for another season.

    Don’t bet on that. The Marlins got Hanley Ramirez and a couple of big arms, including Sanchez.

    A team like the Marlins isn’t going to trade an elite arm like that without Hughes or Joba plus others in return.

    Will respond you both of your points….until you tell me your suggestion for the set up man next year your point is useless…who is closing when Mo is “Gumpy” come on you know and i know until that man comes around Hughes is in the Pen…What do you want Cash to say? Please give us your starter because we went to keep Hughes in the pen…Come on, its poker and you know it…other thing what does money have to do with it..if they yankees what the player they will get the player…people are making too much of a big deal with with the yankees being cheap now….if Cash, really wants the player he will have the money…on the Marlins point Montero is a better prospect then Ramirez at the SAME stage…matter of fact Montero is better…and Sanchez would equal Z-Mac at the same stage…your trying to tell me if you offered Montero Jackson Z-Mac and Melancon the Marlins would say no….i don’t believe that

  30. 7789 September 6th, 2009 at 1:35 am

    “Our scouts say he’s the best defensive shortstop they’ve ever seen.”

    Writing stuff like that makes Gammons look like a fool.

  31. Stevie September 6th, 2009 at 1:36 am

    Gammons = Tokyo Rose

    RS propagandist 24/7

  32. L to the 2nd September 6th, 2009 at 1:42 am

    Red Sox and their assorted media flacks lost whatever credibility they had this year talking about how deep their farm system was.

    How has that worked out so far?

  33. Y26 September 6th, 2009 at 1:42 am

    Gammons also said that a scout told him (in spring training) that Smoltz would be the best pitcher in the AL in September.

  34. Stevie September 6th, 2009 at 1:42 am

    Check out this picture of Gammons wearing a Red Sox uniform on Baseball Tonight

    http://img529.imageshack.us/im.....ammons.jpg

  35. L to the 2nd September 6th, 2009 at 1:51 am

    Night all…here’s hoping Mitre gives us a good 5 or 6 tomorrow.

  36. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 1:55 am

    Rmel,

    You can continue to hide your head in the sand on Hughes if you wish, but he’s going to the rotation full time next season.

    You want proof?

    Look no further than Joba.

    The FO has said since late 2007 that Joba’s long term role was going to be in the rotation. They’ve never made any bones about it even though he had just come off a season where he was just as dominant in the 8th inning as Hughes and the fans were overwhelmingly against the idea.

    The FO didn’t care what the fans thought. They only used Joba in the bullpen to start the 2008 season to keep his innings in check. He was then moved to the rotation where he was supposed to stay. The one and only reason they moved him back towards the end of the season was because of his shoulder issue that he suffered in August.

    Cashman again reiterated over the offseason that Joba was going to be a full time starter in 2009 despite the fans who yelled and screamed about it.

    Guess what? That’s exactly what they’ve done with Joba.

    So if you don’t think the Yanks would take a dominant arm in the 8th inning and move him to the bullpen, well, then you haven’t been paying attention the last couple of years.

    Hughes will be back in the rotation in 2010 and that’s that. Cashman has said it a number of times this year.

    BTW, what does money have to do with anything?

    It’s relevant because the market distinguishes what ballplayers have the most value. In regards to pitchers, starting pitchers, specifically the elite, are far more valuable than closers or set-up men.

    The Yanks didn’t draft high ceiling arms to put them in the pen. The did so to develop the most valuable commodity in the game of baseball – young starting pitchers.

  37. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 1:57 am

    So if you don’t think the Yanks would take a dominant arm in the 8th inning and move him to the bullpen, well, then you haven’t been paying attention the last couple of years.

    ——————-

    That’s move him to the rotation.

  38. Stevie September 6th, 2009 at 1:58 am

    Baseball Toinight just started on ESPN II

    They had a late 1:30 AM start cus of college football.

    Watching the footage of Wakefield stumble around the mound like Charlie Chaplin is hilarious.

  39. Stevie September 6th, 2009 at 2:05 am

    Wakefield must of gained 20 lbs on the DL.

    check out his man-bbobs and how his belly hangs over his belt

    http://img42.imageshack.us/img.....eldgut.jpg

  40. Pat M. September 6th, 2009 at 2:14 am

    Nick in SF must be very happy as the BART’s his way home after the Cal-Berkley Bears spank the Terapins of Maryland…….Huskies of Washington covered vs. LSU……

  41. Stevie September 6th, 2009 at 2:16 am

    IS the National League a Triple-AAA JOKE or what.

    First Cliff Lee, then Smoltz, then Brad Penney, and now Jose Contreras find push over competition.

    Get this, Jose threw 7 innings and only allowed 1 run in Colorado.

  42. RMEL September 6th, 2009 at 2:22 am

    Giuseppe,

    Cashman said number of times that Swisher was going to be the 1b….So i take what he says with a grain of salt….So who is this effective set up man that will take Hughes place when he is in the rotation next year….if you can’t name him i bet you Cashman can’t either….you know why cause he is not out there…thats why…So when Hughes in the rotation the whole year not only we hear about innings limits on here but also we have to worry who is setting up and who is closing when Mo has a few aches….At least i will tell starter names we can trade for:

    Haren– Will take Montero and a few more…owed 38 million over 3 years…team is in last place and need to relieve payrole

    Halladay– last year of contract..maybe traded in division

    Johnson–Marlins are cheap and he is due for a raise around 5 million…2 year before a FA..Montero and a few more

    Lackey–FA only involves money

    Oswalt–2 years let with 33 million..full no trade…friends with Andy…

    Duke and Maholms–their are on the Bucs enough said

    so,Giuseppe i listed some moves for starters, now give me you solutions for the set up man when Hughes is in the Rotation…

  43. m September 6th, 2009 at 2:24 am

    Stevie,

    But was Contreras’ batting line like? :P

    The Yankees (13-4), Twins (40-32), and Rays (50-30) are the only teams with winning records on turf.

    And as for the the Yankees can’t hit lefties mantra? Best record in the baseball @ 32-14.

  44. crawdaddy September 6th, 2009 at 2:24 am

    “Looking ahead a bit on the schedule, and I noticed that both the Yankees and TB have a day off on Thursday, the 10th. Just wondering: why not play the make up game on that day rather than do a double header on Monday? Just seems strange to me that they both have a day off at the end of the series, but are doing a doubleheader instead. It’s not like either team really has to travel far for their games on Friday. Yankees stay at home and TB moves on to Boston.”

    It’s simple, MLB would have need to get permission from the players to play a certain amount of days in a row, I think the number is either 18 or 19 days. I don’t think the players would want to play 23 consecutive which they would have to do if they played that Thursday. They value their offdays especially this time of the year and would rather play a day and night DH with the September callups available. Furthermore, the Yankee players next off day won’t be until September 17th which is the day before they go back to the West coast which in itself can be tiring on a team after playing 23 straight days then going to a 3 hour time zone difference.

  45. Phil September 6th, 2009 at 2:24 am

    Hughes will be in the rotation next season.

  46. m September 6th, 2009 at 2:26 am

    Rmel,

    GF may rub you the wrong way, but no need to get passive-aggressive here.

  47. m September 6th, 2009 at 2:29 am

    And there’s no sense arguing with GF. He’s very stubborn. Just like his hair products. :P

  48. RMEL September 6th, 2009 at 2:32 am

    GF may rub you the wrong way, but no need to get passive-aggressive here.

    —-

    I respect everyone on here…but people need to relax with the Hughes situation….God Forbid you mention he stays in the Pen…Mark Feinsand of the Daily News said he belongs in the pen and people started trashing him…come on…if you think he is going into the rotation tell me who you THINK the solution is….when people talk about Hughes they always mention he is going into the rotation next year…They are so insecure about the situation… I have been following the Yankees since 1983…Go to a ton on minor League games…So people on here think they are best friends with Cash…Come On

  49. BJK September 6th, 2009 at 2:34 am

    Who will be set up man next season?

    Who was slated to be set up man this season? Or last season?

    The answer is who knows. It will probably start off being Bruney or Robertson. Or Marte. Or another free agent they haven’t signed yet.

    And if one of them doesn’t work out, they will make a move. Either a trade, or the next Joba or Hughes coming up through the system.

    Set up men are not as difficult to find as you make it sound.

    The only way Hughes is in the bullpen next year is if he is a disaster as a starter, which he won’t be, or if Mo goes down with an injury.

  50. RMEL September 6th, 2009 at 2:39 am

    Who will be set up man next season?

    Who was slated to be set up man this season? Or last season?

    The answer is who knows. It will probably start off being Bruney or Robertson. Or Marte. Or another free agent they haven’t signed yet.

    And if one of them doesn’t work out, they will make a move. Either a trade, or the next Joba or Hughes coming up through the system.

    Set up men are not as difficult to find as you make it sound.

    The only way Hughes is in the bullpen next year is if he is a disaster as a starter, which he won’t be, or if Mo goes down with an injury.

    All due respect but have the Yankees had decent set up man since 2000…Find one, is not that easy my friend, and remember Mo is in the Last year of his contract next year…who takes his place in 2011…Do you trust Marte, Bruney, Coke, and D-Rob in a big spot….you all will be begging for Hughes the 1st sign of trouble in the playoffs..

  51. C September 6th, 2009 at 2:47 am

    If talking about who the set up man is going to be next year I think the yanks are in pretty good shape THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!

  52. crawdaddy September 6th, 2009 at 2:47 am

    “I respect everyone on here…but people need to relax with the Hughes situation….God Forbid you mention he stays in the Pen…Mark Feinsand of the Daily News said he belongs in the pen and people started trashing him…come on…if you think he is going into the rotation tell me who you THINK the solution is….when people talk about Hughes they always mention he is going into the rotation next year…They are so insecure about the situation… I have been following the Yankees since 1983…Go to a ton on minor League games…So people on here think they are best friends with Cash…Come On”

    We’re only Yankee fans here so when we give our opinion on something like Hughes being in the bullpen or starting rotation, it will only be verified which opinion is right about Hughes in the next six or so months from now.

    I don’t think Cashman could tell you now what’s going to happen in that timeframe. Too many variables can come into play between now and then. I firmly believe that Cashman didn’t have high hopes of getting Teixeira last November 1st. However, events broke in the Yankees favor and he was able to convince ownership to spend the extra money in getting him.

    One more thing, relievers are weird, just when you think you have them figured out they confuse you with their up and down performances. The Riveras and Hoffmans are a rare breed with their consistent excellent performances while most of the other relievers confound you at times with their consistency within the same season and from one year to the next season. What I’m trying to say is somebody might step up as next year’s 8th inning guy we never expected it from just like Hughes has done this season.

  53. BJK September 6th, 2009 at 2:48 am

    Personally, I think Mo will be back with another two year contract. Until he shows any sign of slowing down, there’s no reason to believe otherwise despite his age.

    And if you’re worried about the 2010 playoffs already, with all due respect, slow down.

    They have all of 2010 to figure out how to solidify the bullpen by then. Robertson is getting better and better. Melancon and Dunn will be more developed by then. Marte is beginning to pitch like the pitcher they thought they acquired.

    And if they don’t find someone within their own system, they’ll go outside and find someone.

    And if we’re begging for Hughes in the 2010 playoffs, perhaps he can be of use there as we won’t need 5 starters. Its really too far off to anticipate what the bullpen will look like.

  54. Spudz September 6th, 2009 at 2:50 am

    ****FIXED TO BE CORRECT******

    Y26
    September 6th, 2009 at 1:42 am
    Gammons also said that a scout told him (in spring training) that Smoltz would be the best pitcher in the NL in September.

  55. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 2:52 am

    RMEL,

    Here’s something to think about.

    Why would Cashman gut the farm for a starting pitcher via a trade when he already has a high ceiling young arm on the team?

    He didn’t do it for Santana and it was the right move. He wouldn’t do it for Halladay and it was the right move.

    He’s not going to do that. He believes very much in keeping these young kids.

    If Cashman should trade for any pitcher, it should be for a strong 8th inning guy. The cost would be a helluva lot less than trading for an elite starting pitcher.

    They want to develop their own starting pitching because it’s the most valuable commodity in the major leagues. It makes no sense to take your young high ceiling arms and reduce them to a role to get 3 outs instead of 18 to 27 outs.

    It’s not going to happen and it makes no sense to continue arguing about it.

  56. m September 6th, 2009 at 2:59 am

    Argh, had a nice long reply to Rmel but it got lost.

    Anyway, it’s all good.

    In fact, the only person I can “picture” replacing Rivera is Phil hisself.

    And as we’ve seen, Rivera has shown very few signs of decline. He could pitch for several more years.

    So, why not see if Phil can be a front-end starter? But I see no use in wasting, yes that’s wasting, Hughes as a setup guy.

    I know that the Rivera-Wetteland connection makes it a very romantic notion, like a master-apprentice kind of thing. But the fact remains, that more often than not, especially this season, the game has been decided by the 8th inning. In fact, many of the other Yankee relievers could pitch the 9th and we’d still win the game. But that’s mo’s job, it’s what he gets paid for, and he’s chasing history.

    So, anyway, long story short. Hughes as closer? Yes. Phil as setup? No.

    Now, if Phil fails as a starter? Then of course, the Yankees would best be served trying to find another role for him. But not at this time.

  57. Cliff September 6th, 2009 at 3:01 am

    Phil Hughes is a starter folks. Arguing otherwise is a waste of your time.

  58. Mrs. Kekich September 6th, 2009 at 3:06 am

    Here’s a big difference in the Joba-Hughes situations. When Hughes went to the pen earlier this year, he had a great attitude, a whatever-it-takes-to-stay-in-the-majors, help-the-team attitude. Something Joba never had – he wants to start blah blah blah. I’m not predicting what will happen, but that could be a key variable – that since Hughes won’t throw a tantrum if – IF – they want to consider keeping him in a relief role.

  59. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 3:07 am

    m,

    It’s also worth mentioning that Wetteland was let go after ’96 and the Yanks went on to win three more rings by stacking the starting rotation with horses.

    Nelson, Stanton, and Mendoza were solid relievers – but they were not on the same planet as Mo circa ’96, Joba in ’07, or Hughes now in regards to dominating hitters.

    Nelson walked too many hitters and was in Torre’s doghouse quite a bit. Stanton was very streaky – almost like Phil Coke. He could be great for weeks at a time and then very shaky for weeks at a time.

    Mendonza did a great job but shuffled around too much, which I believe had an affect on his consistency.

    The Yanks won rings with this group, but they were far from dominant. People tend to remember history differently when the end result of the season is a WS celebration.

    That tends to help people forget the earlier struggles of those seasons.

  60. Pat M. September 6th, 2009 at 3:11 am

    Mr. Franco id judt telling it as it is…….Besides, Young Master Hughes is a future 20 game winner…..Events and circumstances in May is why he’s in the bullpen….Come February when Pitchers & Catchers report, He’ll be taking his turn with the starters……

  61. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 3:13 am

    Mrs. Kekich September 6th, 2009 at 3:06 am

    Here’s a big difference in the Joba-Hughes situations. When Hughes went to the pen earlier this year, he had a great attitude, a whatever-it-takes-to-stay-in-the-majors, help-the-team attitude. Something Joba never had – he wants to start blah blah blah. I’m not predicting what will happen, but that could be a key variable – that since Hughes won’t throw a tantrum if – IF – they want to consider keeping him in a relief role.

    ———-

    That’s pure rubbish. The media asked him all the time what role he wanted and he always said the same thing – whatever Girardi wanted him to do.

    It wasn’t until David Cone mentioned it on the YES Network during a broadcast that he asked Joba what he wanted to do and was told the truth.

    Hughes has said very similar things. He said he’ll do whatever the team needs right now but he knows long term that his role is in the rotation – which is what he wants.

    Same story for both guys. There has been no selfishness on Joba’s part whatsoever.

  62. m September 6th, 2009 at 3:18 am

    GF,

    It’s also worth noting that Girardi/Eiland have done a fabulous job with the bullpen. I’m sure someone could come up with all the stats, but our relievers have rarely blown leads and have a good win-loss record as well.

    The short-leash used to irritate me, but I’m a little more appreciative now. This is not the season for on-the-job training. And I feel like that happened last season with full innings of relief, but half those guys are gone anyway, lol.

    Anyway, great job by Girardi and staff in identifying the guys who can get the job done, and using the others appropriately.

    Many less blown games than there were in the beginning of the season. And yes, the personnel has changed, but still great job by the relievers.

  63. Pat M. September 6th, 2009 at 3:18 am

    Mr. Franco, your statements about the Nelson Stanton years are accurate, but that trio could just flatout lockdowns wins……I’ll forever recall sitting in The Staduim for Game 1 of the 2000 Subway World Series and watching Stanton just putting a lid on the Mets for those extra innings that night……And Paul O’Neil’s AB, and Jeter’s relay…..The best game I’ve ever seen…..

  64. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 3:25 am

    Pat,

    No question about the trio. They were all very solid relievers and did a great job.

    But my point is simply that they had their struggles as well and were never in the same boat as Joba, Mo, or Hughes.

    Plus, and this is very important to emphasize, they benefited enormously by the starting rotation throwing so many innings and therefore weren’t as exposed.

  65. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 3:32 am

    Well, today was a great day for my teams.

    The Yanks extended their lead in the East and my boys from Ann Arbor came out smoking after all the adversity nonsense that Rich Rod had to endure all week.

    Sure, it was only a win against Western Michigan but the Maize and Blue weren’t good last season at all and they’ve improved tremendously.

    Ohio State had problems at home with Navy. They’d better figure out how to play better real quick with USC coming to Columbus next week.

  66. Pat M. September 6th, 2009 at 3:43 am

    Mr. Franco, I went to the L.A. Columsiem today and watched the next edition of USC…..Man they don’t rebuild, they reload…..And they are still so very fast on both sides of the ball…….

  67. Pov September 6th, 2009 at 6:55 am

    “This might be as good as I’ve ever seen him,” Joba Chamberlain said of Hughes. “This is the pitcher everybody was talking about a few years ago. It’s great to see.”

    Pretty funny quote Joba and so ironic. Hughes in the toliet as a starter goes to the pen and is lights out. Your pretty great yourself as a reliever and now are in the toliet as a starter. The big difference is that he throws strikes, doesn’t walk people and has control over his pitches.

  68. Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Pov’s assessment of Hughes is in the toilet. But I’m not surprised because that is the norm for him.

    Hughes was terrible against the O’s on May 9th. He allowed 8 ER in that start in less than two innings.

    But Hughes’ ERA was roughly 3.50 in his other six starts combined. So one really bad outing skewed his overall numbers tremendously.

    Hughes was pitching well before he went back to the pen. Cashman and Girardi put him in the pen BECAUSE he was pitching well and they knew he could help the team in that capacity.

    Maybe Pov should try watching what’s going on for once. He might learn something.

  69. Lee23 September 6th, 2009 at 7:46 am

    Stevie
    September 6th, 2009 at 1:42 am
    Check out this picture of Gammons wearing a Red Sox uniform on Baseball Tonight

    http://img529.imageshack.us/im…..ammons.jpg
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    Niiiice.

    Gammons could use a little studio makeup in this shot. He’s looking a little lifeless.

  70. Lee23 September 6th, 2009 at 7:47 am

    Stevie’s original link:

    http://img529.imageshack.us/im.....ammons.jpg

  71. MG September 6th, 2009 at 7:57 am

    Giuseppe Franco
    September 6th, 2009 at 7:30 am
    Pov’s assessment of Hughes is in the toilet. But I’m not surprised because that is the norm for him.

    Hughes was terrible against the O’s on May 9th. He allowed 8 ER in that start in less than two innings.

    But Hughes’ ERA was roughly 3.50 in his other six starts combined. So one really bad outing skewed his overall numbers tremendously.

    Hughes was pitching well before he went back to the pen. Cashman and Girardi put him in the pen BECAUSE he was pitching well and they knew he could help the team in that capacity.

    Maybe Pov should try watching what’s going on for once. He might learn something.
    ———————————————-
    Guiseppe, that will never happen, it’s too easy to be a moron and never learn anything. Anyone who knows baseball understands the value of starting pitching and also knows Hughes will be in the rotation next year. Mark Feinsand is a good guy who believes Hughes should be Mo’s replacement but has lately acknowledged that Hughes will more likely be a starter next year.

  72. Mark in Tampa September 6th, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Brad Lidge blew another save last night, that makes 10 for the season. Makes you appreciate Mariano all the more. I can’t see the Phillies having him back next year, nor many other teams willing to give him a shot at closer. Maybe the Yanks could give him a one year deal with an option to set up? It would give him a chance to prove himself that he can go back to closing and give the Yanks a good 8th inning option. I have not seen him pitch this year besides the one Yankee game. Anybody seen him much? Is he done, or just having bad luck, or can’t deal with closer pressure? I also don’t know his contract situation, but he could be a possibility.

    I also love Matt Thornton of CWS. After the Betemit-Swisher deal last year, maybe Cash can pull the wool over Kenny Williams’ eyes again and give him Ransom and/or Hinske for Thornton! :)

  73. MG September 6th, 2009 at 8:16 am

    The Daily News has a really nice story about Jorge Posada today, the modern extension of the great Yankees catching lineage-Bill Dickey, Yogi Berra, Elston Howard, Thurman Munson, now Jorge. Here is a piece of it:
    “Pretty good for a guy who’s 38 years old. It’s a tough position. He came up with Jeet and all them guys,” says Berra, 84. “Being a switch-hitter helped a lot. They wouldn’t put him back there if he didn’t know what he was doing. Good guy and we’ve had some pretty good catchers here.”

    Hard to believe that the road to the present – where Posada was batting .288 with 20 home runs and 70 RBI entering Friday night’s game in Toronto – began with a young Posada learning the baseball ropes as an infielder growing up in Puerto Rico under his father Jorge Sr.’s tutelage. When the Yankees selected Posada in the 24th round of the 1990 draft, he began his professional career as a second baseman and shortstop.

    Mark Newman, the Yankees’ senior vice president of baseball operations who is in his 21st season with the organization, remembers a 20-year-old Posada who possessed “good hands and a good arm” but lacked other essential tools to excel in the field.

    “His range was just so-so. The profile on Jorge was a switch-hitter with power who threw the ball with outstanding technique. He didn’t have agility on the bases, which is no secret now,” says Newman with a laugh. “He thought he should be an infielder, but we saw him as a future catcher. That’s our job as coaches – what he couldn’t see, we could see.”

    The conversion was anything but smooth. At one point, after a particularly brutal instructional league game behind the plate, Posada had had enough.

    “I was learning at the beginning. It was ugly. I told Mark Newman after one game, ‘I don’t want to catch anymore. Do whatever you want to do with me,’” says Posada. “He convinced me to go back out there. I don’t think I would have been in the big leagues as a middle infielder. Who knows? But I don’t think I would have been up here.”

    Newman says he thinks that exchange was a seminal moment in Posada’s career, “surrounded by a lot of follow-up conversations,” that Newman says encouraged Posada to hone his catching craft.

    “I think we met from instructional ball, I think it was around ’91,” says Rivera, the Hall of Fame-bound Yankees closer. “He wasn’t a catcher then. I think they were working to switch him. Everybody knew that he could hit, but I think the big concern was the fielding issues. But I have seen Jorge develop, as a catcher, to be one of the best catchers in the big leagues.”

    Posada also credits his parents, particularly his strict upbringing, with providing the foundation for his focus, dedication and maturity as a player. Jorge Sr. fled Cuba and Castro in 1968, stowing away on a ship bound for Greece. The elder Posada eventually went to Puerto Rico, reuniting with his parents, and lives there today with his wife Tamara, who is Dominican.

  74. MG September 6th, 2009 at 8:21 am

    Here’s a little more for the idiots who want to blame Jorge for every run scored against the Yankees:

    There was buzz after a recent series in Boston that Posada might be having issues with righthander A.J. Burnett, who is in his first season as a Yankee. Burnett, lit up for nine runs in a 14-1 Red Sox pounding on Aug. 22, seemed at odds with Posada throughout the game. But back in New York the following week, Burnett put the blame solely on himself, and said he and his catcher are fine.

    “A lot of it is blown out of proportion. Guys miss signs all the time. Guys cross guys up all the time. It doesn’t mean your catcher’s bad,” said Burnett. “It just means I wasn’t right.”

    When Posada is asked about Burnett, he shrugs off any suggestion of a budding back page controversy. “You’re going to have good games and bad games,” Posada says. “When you have good games, everything is fine. When you have bad games… But you know what? It’s part of it. Part of learning, getting the best out of everybody. Not every day is going to be 12 strikeouts, 1-0 shutout. When we lose, I take a lot of pride, it’s my fault. When we win, it’s their game. That’s the way you’ve got to think about it.”

    That kind of approach is what impresses Posada’s teammates.

    “No doubt he’s a leader. He’s been here for a long time. Guys go to him when they have questions. He’s very even-keeled. He doesn’t get too high, he doesn’t get too low,” says Yankees first baseman Mark Teixeria, who as a Ranger once leveled Posada at the plate during a 2006 game, a collision that has not generated any lingering ill will. “He’s been through enough around here to realize what it takes to win. When you talk about Jorge, he’s one of the best catchers of our generation. I put his career up against anyone’s the last 15 years.”

  75. Leave Joba ALONE September 6th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Such mean spirited comments toward him.He’s new with only 88 innings in the minors,before he came here.

    Such debased behavior.

    Eiland is working with him,give him time.


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