Game 137: Yankees at Blue Jays
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 06, 2009 
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YANKEES (87-49)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Matsui DH
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Hairston 3B
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Pitching: RHP Sergio Mitre (3-1, 5.65).
BLUE JAYS (60-75)
Scutaro SS
Hill 2B
Lind DH
Barajas C
Wells CF
Encarnacion 3B
Ruiz 1B
Snider LF
Inglett RF
Pitching: LHP Brian Tallet (5-9, 5.17).
TIME/TV: 1:07, YES.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees are 5-1 on a road trip that ends today. They have outscored the Orioles and Blue Jays 40-22 on the trip. They have won eight of nine overall. They start the day with an 8.5-game lead on Boston in the American League East. They lead the Angels by six games for the best record in the league and home field advantage in the playoffs.
THE JETER METER: Derek Jeter starts the day with 2,715 hits. He needs six to tie Lou Gehrig for the most in franchise history.
POSADA POWER: Jorge Posada is 28 of 86 (.326) in his last 22 games with 15 extra-base hits, 14 runs scored, 24 RBI and 10 walks.
OH, WHAT A RELIEF: Yankee relievers are 11-0 with nine saves since Aug. 5. They have a 3.27 ERA during that stretch.
BAD NEWS FOR BRIAN TALLET: The Yankees are 31-14 against left-handed starters this season including wins in 10 of their last 11 games.
MORE MITRE: Sergio Mitre will be making his first start since Aug. 29 when he threw 6.1 shutout innings against Chicago, allowing one hit. He was hit by a line drive in the arm and had his start pushed back. Mitre is 0-0 with a 4.12 ERA in seven career appearances in September.
DELIVERING AGAIN: Melky Cabrera is 13 of 32 (.406) in his last eight games with five RBI. His batting average has climbed from .266 to .277.
HOMER HAPPY: The Yankees have connected in 106 of their 136 games this season. They have 212 on the season and are on a pace to hit a team-record 253 after hitting 180 a year ago. While playing at Yankee Stadium is part of the reason, the Yankees also lead the majors with 95 homers on the road.
THE RETURN OF THE SANDMAN: Mariano Rivera could be ready to close today if needed. He has converted 38 of 39 save chances this season including 34 in a row. He has allowed one run in his last 29 innings.
CALM, COOL AND COLLECTED: Phil Hughes in three save opportunities this season: 4.2 innings, 0 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 6 strikeouts.
THANKS FOR THE BREAK: The Yankees are 36-12 since the All-Star Game.
ON THE iPOD RIGHT NOW: Gorilla, You’re A Desperado by Warren Zevon.
Back with much more later on. But I do need to hustle up afterward to make a flight home.
UPDATE, 11:35 a.m.: Mariano Rivera says he is available today. Girardi sort of agrees. But it’s obvious they would prefer not to use him. … Reports on Brett Gardner are positive. He will DH a game for Scranton today then join the team tomorrow. Look for him to start one of the games in center field.
UPDATE, 12:35 p.m.: Girardi has been toying with lineups for the doubleheader for a few days now. Obviously some guys will have to play both games. Mark down Robbie Cano for that duty, probably Melky Cabrera, too. With Hideki Matsui limited to one game, you could see Jeter or A-Rod play one game in the field and DH the other. Jeter has said he wants to play both games.
UPDATE, 12:55 p.m.: The Yankees hand out press notes every day and one of the categories is “This Day in Yankees History.”
Here is todays entry:
“Fran Healy is born in Holyoke, Ma. Healy played with the Yankees from 1976-78 then joined the Yankees broadcast team for four seasons from 1978-81.”
With all due respect to Fran, who is a prince of a guy, is this really the best thing that happened on Sept. 6 in Yankees history?
UPDATE, 1:07 p.m.: We are underway at the Rogers Centre. Another beautiful day. We were 7 for 7 on this trip in terms of weather. Can’t beat it.
Enjoy the game.
UPDATE, 1:13 p.m.: That’s 2,716 hits for Jeter, five away from the Iron Horse. Meanwhile, he stole career base No. 299.
UPDATE, 1:20 p.m.: Look who’s back everybody, it’s Sergio Mitre. … Memo to Jerry Hairston Jr.: Try not to get Tex killed. Meanwhile Damon chased down the ball in the left field corner like an old pensioner looking for his dog in Central Park. Not an auspicious start for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 1:51 p.m.: Jeter gets another hit. That’s 2,717, four away from Gehrig. Tickets tomorrow are probably be snapped up fast on line right now.
UPDATE, 2:03 p.m.: Wow, horrible umpiring by Balkin’ Bob Davidson. Toronto catcher Rod Barajas lost the ball and he called Matsui out at the plate. Then when everybody in a Yankees uniform pointed out that the ball was in the glove of the pitcher backing up the play, he called him safe.
Matsui, running from first on a 3-2 pitch, looked like he was about ready to collapse as he reached the plate.
At any rate, we’re all tied up. Let’s see how much longer Mitre can go.
UPDATE, 2:12 p.m.: Jays 4-3 but don’t blame Mitre. Swisher lost a pop-up in the sun and then Teixeirs sort of side-saddled a grounder that was called a single. Not a day of good defense for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 2:22 p.m.: Scoring change here in Toronto. Teixeira was just given an error on that Encarnacion play in the last inning. So that’s three errors on the Yankees.
UPDATE, 2:37 p.m.: Yankees 1 for 5 with RISP today, 6 for 24 the last two days.
UPDATE, 2:50 p.m.: Another road home run for Swisher and the Yankees lead 5-4.
UPDATE, 3:03 p.m.: Not the luckiest day for Sergio Mitre as a strikeout and wild pitch puts a runner on base. Then back-to-back RBI singles give Toronto a 6-5 lead. Swisher’s throw to Cano bounced. Yes, bounced.
Poor, poor defense today.
UPDATE, 3:06 p.m.: And so it continues as Hairston botches another play. Have to get an out there. Sloppy game. Jays lead 7-5.
UPDATE, 3:09 p.m.: Mitre is certainly getting no help from his teammates. But he also has given up 10 hits in 4.1 innings. He’s at fault, too.
UPDATE, 3:22 p.m.: My belief that Mark Melancon will one day help the Yankees is being shaken in recent days. Throw strikes, young man.
Anyway, it’s 11-5 as Toronto has scored six runs in this inning. I’m going to get cracking on my newspaper stories so I can catch (hopefully) my flight home. If anything comes up of importance, I will be sure to keep you informed.
UPDATE, 3:55 p.m.: If baseball rules allowed you to forfeit, I’m fairly sure the Yankees would at this point. They have committed four errors and Johnny and Melky just ran into each other. They have had some stinkers this year but this one might be the worst.
Hope Mitre can top his last outing!
Pete, do you think Jete will be playing both games tomorrow?
(Inquiring fans who are willing to shell out a lot of money for tickets want to know)
NYY626,
We were speculating about this ourselves.
We decided to attend both games, just to be safe, thinking that perhaps Jete is in both games, DH-ing one of them.
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes September 6th, 2009 at 9:50 am
NYY626,
We were speculating about this ourselves.
We decided to attend both games, just to be safe, thinking that perhaps Jete is in both games, DH-ing one of them.
Unfortunately trying to figure out when he’s going to do it is a total crap shoot…
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Ahh good point! I didn’t even think about him DH-ing. I would guess Joe would have to keep him in for both games to adhere to the masses?
So you guys think Jeter will do it the first day back home? It’s really so exciting. You know, they haven’t put Gehrig’s bat in the new Stadium, right? Does anyone think the Yankees will present that to Jeter when he breaks Gehrig’s record? Probably not, but just a thought I had. (I apologize in advance if I got the “h” in the wrong spot – I learned how to spell Teixeira and Mientkiewicz, but for some reason, “Gehrig” escapes me all the time!
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So, if the Yankees play .500 ball the rest of the way, they get to 100 wins. I know I never thought that was a possibility at the beginning of the season. And that’s without Wang and with Joba having a challenging season, and ARod missing a month of the season.
And I’ve said it before and I’ll continue to say, that I think Girardi has done a fantastic job managing the playing time of all his players, both position players and relief corps. I seriously don’t think that any over-the-top adjustments need to be made once they clinch a playoff berth. This team is a well-rested team, and the utility guys seem to be getting enough playing time to keep sharp. Gardner coming back will get Melky some relief, plus add another dimension to the offense.
Let’s go Thunder – it would be really cool if these guys can get to the playoffs. They’ve had a mixed season, but seem to be stepping it up. They have quite a few walk-off wins over there – seems to be a Yankee system specialty this season – so they’ve got the make-up, apparently, to win the tough ones.
**I also like this season that the Yankees as a team seem to be doing better in situations, offensively, and not swinging for the fences all the time. It’s paid off.
I predicted 99 wins for this team.
They’d need to play one game under five hundred for that to happen.
I love it.
I am going to the 2nd game tomorrow night. I hope Jeter at least DH’s in the 2nd game. I mean AJ Burnett is pitching and derserves somewhat of an “A” line-up behind him.
GF and Pat M – couldn’t agree with you more about Phil and his future. I don’t care what Coney says or what Feinsand thinks – IMO, they are absolutely foolish (sorry, Coney – I call it like I see it) to think Phil should remain in the pen. It’s just plain shortsightedness to want him to be a closer when in a few years he could be a stud starter……..and be one for a long time. Since the Yankees recognize this, the debate is just a complete waste of time.
Doreen:
This season is going so well (knock on wood) that Mike Loopyca is writing today about a meaningless Ladies’ US Open match in which a kid toppled a veteran who was obviously having an off day. (Cute story, but that’s about it).
Loopy’s beloved Mets are circling the drain, and the Yankees, well, what is there to criticize? Loopy thumped on the new stadium and “GI Joe” Girardi, he giggled with delight when A-Rod had his surgery, he nearly burst with glee when Wang went through his troubles and he must be enjoying Joba’s current challenges. But the reason we haven’t head from the Mouth that Roared, the reason we haven’t had to endure his enormously irritating Dr. Suess-styled prose of late, is that things are going too well for the pinstripers.
Yeah, it all could change in a moment and the post season has its own logic and reality, but the Yankees have fought their way to a memorable season, doing things the right way. There’s just too little for the Little Man to complain about.
I’m sure the Yankees and Hughes have to at least given “some” thought to the possibility that Hughes could be the Mo’s replacement. We all know how valuable Mo is to the team. Invaluable! It seems that Hughes could be the next closer. If not Hughes, then who? Bruney? Roberston? Joba?
murphydog -
Just another side benefit of the Yankees’ winning ways!
(And thank you for having the stomach to read Loopy-ca, since I have none!)
To me the bullpen/starter argument is as simple as this: You can always move somebody to the bullpen if circumstances or injuries dictate. You can do it next year or 10 yars from now. But if you put a young pitcher in the pen for more than a year or two, it becomes very difficult to impossible to move him back to the rotation.
If nothing else, starting Hughes keeps all options open, making him a reliever next year determines that to be his fate for the remainder of his career.
*10 years*
Lou, I don’t believe that for an instant…….
There is no debate except in the minds of impatient fans and mediots.
GF and Pat M – couldn’t agree with you more about Phil and his future. I don’t care what Coney says or what Feinsand thinks – IMO, they are absolutely foolish (sorry, Coney – I call it like I see it) to think Phil should remain in the pen. It’s just plain shortsightedness to want him to be a closer when in a few years he could be a stud starter……..and be one for a long time. Since the Yankees recognize this, the debate is just a complete waste of time.
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Besty we had discuss this before and i respect your opinion…But until someone can provide the names of players that would take Hughes role i have to believe he will be in the pen for the future….last nite i provide a list of starting pitchers that might be available this off season….here they are
Haren– Will take Montero and a few more…owed 38 million over 3 years…team is in last place and need to relieve payrole
Halladay– last year of contract..maybe traded in division
Johnson–Marlins are cheap and he is due for a raise around 5 million…2 year before a FA..Montero and a few more
Lackey–FA only involves money
Oswalt–2 years let with 33 million..full no trade…friends with Andy…
Duke and Maholms–their are on the Bucs enough said
Not one person here can name the player or players they feel comfortable with in replacing Hughes….Cash is smart man….Check the blog back in Nov when i said he would make a play for Tex…you all said I was crazy because Swish is at 1B….even Pete on his live chat show said my statement was wishful thinking…Pete believed Cash when he said he was done in the off season after AJ…What happened we got Tex…and we strenght the team. If we move Hughes to the rotation we have to not only worry about innings limit but we have to find a set-up man…that 2 problems….Feinsand and Cone are right…why would you try to fix someone that is not broke…matter of fact its 38 games over 500 and in 1st place with no Hughes in the rotation
That arguement would make sense ecept that starters are far, far more valuable than relievers. It’s not even close.
As Mark in Tampa pointed out, you could make bullpen guys out of starters but it’s difficult the other way around.
I would be fine with Matt Thornton, Brad Lidge, Jason Frasor, George Sherrill, or Saito replacing Hughes in the 8th inning. I don’t know their availability or contract status; and in the case of Lidge, whether he would be willing to set-up instead of close. These are off the top of my head, I’m sure their are a few others out there as well. However, Thornton would be my first choice, maybe Cash can bilk Kenny Williams out of him like he did Swisher.
RMEL, I respect your opinion as well, but we just disagree on this. The Yankees are taking the long view with Phil – as they have with Joba. I happen to think Feinsand (well actually, who cares what this guy thinks?) and Coney (love him, but he’s dead wrong) are extremely short-sighted. I don’t care who the Yankees get to fill the 8th inning role – they will do it, somehow. I suppose Andy will return next year, though I don’t think he’s going to have this kind of year again. I admit I would prefer a solid #3 to anchor the middle of the rotation, but whatever – the Yankees will make do. This is about the future and Phil will be a stud starter for a long time……….
Cash isn’t adding significant payroll in the off-season fir a starting pitcher.
You can make all the lists you want. They are meaningless.
They are not trading assets in the system for expensive starters when they have spent the last 3 years avoiding such actions.
Hughes will start next year unless he physically can’t do it and there is no evidence that would be the case.
Melancon and/or Robertson will fill the 8th inning role next year.
Sorry to be off topic…
Betsy,
I saw your post the other day. Please let me know what suggestions Re:Savannah you would like as well as your preferences and Amy and I will put a list together this week and email.
All- Happy Labor Day Weekend.
-dennis
I would be fine with Matt Thornton, Brad Lidge, Jason Frasor, George Sherrill, or Saito replacing Hughes in the 8th inning.
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Finally someone who names players…Lidge…Good luck with that…people will be jumping of the GW the 1st week of next year then he blows the game to the Sox…Frasor is no better the Burney…Sherrill wants to close…Thornton is a nice name but really has not pitched in a high pressure game…plus it would take A-Jax and Z-Mac to get him…would rather trade them for a quantity stater..Plus they may want him as their closer and move Jenks….By the way no to Jenks…could break down at any min
I have no issues with getting Rodney to set up.
Youuuuuse will and should be back in the rotation next season. I can’t wait.
Some of you who love “names” continue to ignore how the Yankees have built their pen the last 2 years.
Internal solutions have been their solution and Cash is not deviating from a successful formula.
RMEL,
No offense, but yours is a fool’s errand.
Hughes will be a starter after taking one for the team in their 2009 championship quest.
Sometimes there is no debate. This is one of those times.
Off to the farmer’s market so I can lather my evolving marinara with it before game time!
umm…lather it with FRESH BASIL, that is
SJ:
“Hughes will start next year unless he physically can’t do it and there is no evidence that would be the case.”
Agreed. The only question for me given innings limit issues, is whether they put him in the rotation in April out of ST or slowly build him up to go full time as of, say, from June to the end of the season? Ideally I’d think they want to avoid a replay of the Joba situation they are in.
As things look now, they bring back Pettitte for 2010, I think. So if it’s CC, AJ, Joba, and Pettitte, they can use a Mitre-like 5th starter to get them through the early part of the season while they slowly build up Hughes.
Besty, At best Hughes is the 5th starter next year…We are in 1st place and 38 games over 500 without a real 5th starter..What difference would Hughes make as the 5th starter next year…He has been bridge….If his name was Joe Smith and did not have the hype from previous years you all would be fine with him as a reliever….i cant see fixing something that is not broken….We will have 4 starter next year(Andy Coming back) why move him just to be the 5th starter…Only in yankees world we worry about the 5th starter
There isn’t an 8th inning set-up man in history who will not blow a game every so often. If they are that good, they would be starting or closing. So, if we had Lidge, and he blew a game to the sox, it is something every set-up man will run into. If Hughes was in that spot next year, he is not going to have a 0.00 ERA. He is on a great run right now, but he will give up hits and runs as time goes on. Set-up man is a very thankless position, you get all of the blame, but very rarely get noticed when you are going well.
bodhisattva:
Hmmmm….. I can smell that sauce from here
My grandmother used to start the sauce with pork neck bones (and remove them later) and always added some sugar. My mom still makes it that way.
“Some of you who love “names” continue to ignore how the Yankees have built their pen the last 2 years.”
He asked for names, I gave him some names. I named Lidge, but I do think he is a head case, and might be an attitude issue if he was setting up instead of closing. Personally, unless we could get Thornton, I would like to see the spot filled from within the organization.
I’m setting my fantasy football roster.
Should I keep Braylon Edwards?
My team is really killer though.
The Yankees tried buying bullpens. It didn’t work.
Hughes will start next year because his future is that of a starter. It’s not just about next year.
By 2011, he could be their #3 starter.
Look at how they have worked to develop young pitching.
They didn’t do it make Hughes and Chamberlain career relief pitchers.
There isn’t an 8th inning set-up man in history who will not blow a game every so often. If they are that good, they would be starting or closing. So, if we had Lidge, and he blew a game to the sox, it is something every set-up man will run into. If Hughes was in that spot next year, he is not going to have a 0.00 ERA. He is on a great run right now, but he will give up hits and runs as time goes on. Set-up man is a very thankless position, you get all of the blame, but very rarely get noticed when you are going well.
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Mark, are you joking… i bet every one in that locker room knows a big reason there are in 1st is the emergence of Hughes…Poll the players and ask them would you want Hughes in the Rotation or Lidge as the set up man, it would come back 24-0 infavor of leaving Hughes alone in the pen
Good morning Dennis. It looks like it must be a real pretty day to be on the island.
It was pretty tough to watch Wake hobble around yesterday.
It seems like a tough way to treat someone that has done so much for them.
I’m thinking of offering a trade of him and my backup RB Parker or perhaps my backup WR Ward for TO, or maybe if the other guy accepts it Tony Gonzalez.
The Yankees tried buying bullpens. It didn’t work.
Hughes will start next year because his future is that of a starter. It’s not just about next year.
By 2011, he could be their #3 starter.
Look at how they have worked to develop young pitching.
They didn’t do it make Hughes and Chamberlain career relief pitchers
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So SJ44, who is that guy you feel comfortable next year as the set up man….are you ok with Bruney, Coke, D-Rob, Marte and Melancon….you think they can do a equal or better job then Hughes is doing right now?
They don’t NEED to do an equal to better job of what Hughes is doing..they just need to be decent
The “names” are all in house.
Robertson, Melancon, Marte, Coke and Aceves.
Out of those 5, I think they can find somebody to get 3 outs in the 8th inning.
from twitter
ed_price#Phillies Brad Lidge’s 10 blown saves are most since 2006 (Burgos 12, F.Cordero 11, Street 11, Isringhausen 10).
bring me some brad lidge just want the yankees need!!!!…by the way street is no better
I highly doubt Hughes would be in favor of staying in the pen. He is happy to do it this year because he would be in Scranton otherwise. But next year? I don’t think he would be happy with that. Also, just because he had success this year in the pen does not mean he would be lights out next year. Look at Lidge, last year he was the second best closer in MLB to Mariano, this year he has 10 blown saves and may not be a closer next year.
Aside from Rivera and Hoffman bullpen success is the most fragile part of the game from year to year.
I’d be fine wth Brad Lidge…you’d be hoping for a bounceback year, but he’s proven he could do it.
I think Rodney of the tigers will be out there too, I’d be happy with him.
Maine Yank-
Great day here. Amy and I are headed on the 12:25 into Portland to have a lunch enjoy deck on the water…Probably the Porthole..
Wakey begged for this start but I see your point.
This Wild Card race will pickle my liver!
Hope you are well.
Pats just traded Richard Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st round 2011 pick.
-dennis
“I’m thinking of offering a trade of him and my backup RB Parker or perhaps my backup WR Ward for TO, or maybe if the other guy accepts it Tony Gonzalez.”
Why, can Gonzo or TO pitch the 8th?
today from Mark Feinsand
“Speaking of Hughes, if there was any doubt that he would be the perfect guy to succeed Rivera as the closer in 2011, it was erased today. Hughes came in with the tying run on base and two outs in the eighth, struck out Travis Snider, then tossed a perfect ninth for the save. This guy is a cool customer, plain and simple. Having him in the eighth inning in the postseason will be an enormous advantage for the Yankees.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/
RMEL, let’s just agree to disagree because we’re not going to change each other’s minds. I am looking beyond next year – I don’t care if Phil is a #5 starter. In a few years, he will be of #1 quality ……IMO. It’s thinking merely of the here and now that got the Yankees in trouble in the first place (when GS would trade promising youth for aging, mediocre veterans). Phil Hughes will never see the bullpen again, you can count on it.
Hold on, I thought to be an eighth inning guy or closer, you need to be “special”…that doesn’t compute with having two players on our team right now that BOTH could supposedly suceed Mo. In other words, the closer and set up positions are overrated.
Mariano is a different story because he’s been almost perfect for his entire career, which is basically unheard of.
All right, I offered Hines Ward and Braylon Edwards for Tony Gonzalez.
RMEL, Feinsand’s opinion means squat to me. LOL a cool, unflappable personality works for a starter as well………and the fact that he doesn’t think Phil as a top starter would be an advantage for the Yankees tells me all I need to know about his baseball acument.
“So SJ44, who is that guy you feel comfortable next year as the set up man….are you ok with Bruney, Coke, D-Rob, Marte and Melancon….you think they can do a equal or better job then Hughes is doing right now?”
I think any of those names can do what Hughes did this year because frankly, I never thought Hughes can do what he did so anything is possible, especially in regards to Melancon and Robertson, who have always been relievers and can possibly thrive in that 8th inning role next year.
The “names” are all in house.
Robertson, Melancon, Marte, Coke and Aceves.
Out of those 5, I think they can find somebody to get 3 outs in the 8th inning
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SJ44 lets go back to June 1st…those guys where in the pen remember and we where 5 games back and being swept by the Sox…and hughes was in the rotation…remember…Since we put him in the pen things have straighten out you would say…i do not trust any of them….I say it again…this year in the playoff 1st sign of trouble in the 7th you all will be screaming for Hughes…that alone should state how important he is in the pen
sj-
i agree with your belief that cashman will not be signing any major free agent pitchers. it doesn’t make sense after signing sabathia and burnett for the salaries they are receiving.
as much as people go crazy about the 7th and eight inning there are a lot of choices under 2 million a year.
barring injury, i’m sure hughes and joba will be in the rotation according to cashman’s plan .
yankee fans should probably get used to the first few months of every year trying out guys for the 7th and eighth inning. even when you think you have a proven guy, relievers change so much from year to year. they’re great one year and not so good the next.
I don’t give Feinsand’s opinion much credit. Frankly, I thought he was a better baseball writer when he worked for MLB.com, but has slipped since writing for the tabloid, The Daily News.
Dennis
I hate to admit this but I’m a Raiders fan. Goes back to the days of Lamonica. Had some nice runs but Al is as lost as some from NYC would be in the backwoods of Maine.
I guess I like teams run by rebel owners.
I’m a Raider fan too and I go back to the days of the Mad Bomber. Sadly, I don’t think my favorite team will be any good again until the old man is not running them any longer.
RMEL, Feinsand’s opinion means squat to me. LOL a cool, unflappable personality works for a starter as well………and the fact that he doesn’t think Phil as a top starter would be an advantage for the Yankees tells me all I need to know about his baseball acument.
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So Betsy who comes in a game like this next year….when hughes is in the rotation…who do you trust? the Bruney, Coke, D-Rob, Marte and Melancon connection…do you want them in tight spots in playoff games his year????
I agree with SJ and Randy. I don’t see Cashman spending a bunch of money on pitching next year. It’s possible a trade might happen for a reliever, but I doubt it will be for somebody in the elite class of relievers.
We won’t need an eighth inning guy when Hughes pitches his complete game shutout.
yankee fans should probably get used to the first few months of every year trying out guys for the 7th and eighth inning. even when you think you have a proven guy, relievers change so much from year to year. they’re great one year and not so good the next.
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why should we fix something that is not broken…heck put kennedy as the 5th starter next year…you guys used to be high on him..he could be your 5th start…remember some you you thought he was the second coming of greg maddox…what happened to that dream
Dennis, you’re very sweet – thank you!
I would love restaurant recommendations. I never use guide books because they only basically tout touristy places. I will do my own research to see where locals eat (that’s my favorite part of planning a vacation – I love to eat), but any help in that regard would be great. The way I look at it, if locals support a restaurant, it has to be good. I assume we will be eating some yummy Southern-style food, but I read that Savannah has good seafood restaurants as well. Basically, whatever a city does well, those are the places I enjoy dining in………whether they are “nice” restaurants or more casual types. I appreciate the help!
I haven’t gone through my Savannah guide book yet as to things to do, but I believe there are several historic homes that are must-dos (like Juliette Gordon Low’s house…..and my parents are definitely going to want to see Johnny Mercer’s home). The popular attractions will be in the guide books. Are there any under-the-radar attractions that tourists usually don’t know about? Tours? I appreciate any help you can give…..then I can really research this trip. I just love planning vacations, but because of my obsession with this board, I haven’t started at all on this vacation, lol.
Thank you so much – and I can’t wait to hear about your Philly trip when you return!
Lidge signed a 3 year extension last year, FYI. He isin’t a FA.
SJ44 — I agree that Hughes belongs in the rotation, but I also think that Joba has earned a return to the pen. Why not make him the 8th inning guy and the eventual replacement for Mo?
Of course, that brings up a few rotation question marks after CC, AJ and Hughes. Do Pettitte and Wang come back?
“Does anyone think the Yankees will present that to Jeter when he breaks Gehrig’s record?”
That would be bad re-gifting. Using it in a ceremony to celebrate the accomplishment would be great but it should remain with the team.
Pats just traded Richard Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st round 2011 pick.
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The NFL really needs to try and do something about Al. He needs to be stopped.
RMEL
This is the same argument that went on last year only with the names changed.
Joba last year, Phil this year.
Makes about as much sense this year as last.
None.
I don’t think Joba’s earned a return to the pen’ after one full season starting.
Granted he did bad, but give him a chance. I wouldn’t panic unless he shows no significant improvement by mid year next year.
“Lidge signed a 3 year extension last year, FYI. He isin’t a FA”
But, if you are willing to pay the salary, don’t you think Philly would be itching to get rid of him? That said, I don’t really want him, I would be ecstatic with an 8th inning of Robertson(right) and Thornton(left).
Hey kennedy pitched better the hughes in SWB this year until he got injury…are people giving up on him on here…he can be the 5th starter next year
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=453178
Oh or maybe next year it will be Kennedy’s turn to go to the pen and then be proclaimed as the next Mariano.
pat -
Absolutely. The bat does belong to the Yankees, after all. Just a (very) random thought I had.
(However, re-gifting isn’t necessarily a bad thing…)
“why should we fix something that is not broken”
the same reason that i used a $25 of vice grips to grab onto something until i could get to the hardware store to get the proper part for $3 and thus free up my more expensive vice grips.
I’m fine with Bruney in the 8th next year… he was lights out in April and in September last year. The guy has an electric arm, can throw 95-96 and can be unhittable.
He is the type of power arm you want in the 8th
S.A.–Serenity Now
September 6th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Oh or maybe next year it will be Kennedy’s turn to go to the pen and then be proclaimed as the next Mariano.
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Ha! Ha! I love this!!!
Maybe they can give him Lou Gehrig’s pants. They probably don’t display them anymore since they have the strawberry stains on them.
Seems like a lot of you are down on Kennedy….give him a shot in the rotation and leave Hughes in the pen….I remember some you suggesting we keep Kennedy and trade Hughes for Santana a few years ago….look how that would have turned out….Kennedy will be 25 next year…maybe he will shine
Wally Matthews: Give Cashman credit, hiring Girardi was great choice
http://www.newsday.com/columni.....-1.1424971
“Seems like a lot of you are down on Kennedy….give him a shot in the rotation and leave Hughes in the pen….I remember some you suggesting we keep Kennedy and trade Hughes for Santana a few years ago….look how that would have turned out….Kennedy will be 25 next year…maybe he will shine”
You keep trying to engage others in this argument, but nobody has said a thing about Kennedy except you.
I don’t have a strong feeling either way about how to use Phil Hughes next year. The ultimate decision will be made by Hughes himself. One thing that could sway his decision is that he has yet to show a good third (or for that matter even a fourth) pitch in the majors. So far, in the bullpen and as a starter, he has relied on his 4 seamer and a cutter. The few times that he has throw his curveball, opposing hitters have recognized it and gotten hits off of it. If he cannot develop a better curveball…or a slider and a changeup he may be better suited to the bullpen. Starting pitchers cannot survive in the AL without at least 3 good pitches.
Joba Chamberlain, on the other hand, may be better suited as a starter because he has 4 pitches that he can throw at any time. His only problem is that his fastball has lost velocity since his shoulder tendanitis. If he ever recovers that velocity he will be a dominant starter.
Well I think if this was 2010 and Mariano announced that he was going to hang it up, then the Hughes as closer arguments would be much more interesting.
But this is not the case.
Hughes will be the 5th starter next season and will have 150+ innings.
Does Mariano even look like he’s only got 1 more season in him?
WEEI (Boston sports radio) no longer gives the ALEast standings, just the wild card. What a fun year!
WSJ on DJ for MVP
http://online.wsj.com/search?K.....;mod=DNH_S
DJ = Paul Newman
and we don’t have to worry about who is the next Mo. I’m thinking Mo is the next Mo for the next 3 years.
“Wally Matthews: Give Cashman credit, hiring Girardi was great choice”
I’m sure Cashman can sleep good at night knowing that Wally Matthews has given his blessing on the Girardi hiring.
Why do so many people think Mo is done after this contract? Has he shown any signs of slowing down? At all?
So many people are so quick to run him out the door. Even approaching 40 there’s no one better than him.
Talk of moving Hughes to the bullpen to replace Mo, who hopefully won’t need to be replaced for anothe 4-5 years or so, is worst case scenario and premature.
“Seems like a lot of you are down on Kennedy….give him a shot in the rotation and leave Hughes in the pen….I remember some you suggesting we keep Kennedy and trade Hughes for Santana a few years ago….look how that would have turned out….Kennedy will be 25 next year…maybe he will shine”
You keep trying to engage others in this argument, but nobody has said a thing about Kennedy except you.
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not arguing but why don’t we have kennedy and Z-Mach battle for the 5th spot in spring training next year and leave Hughes in the pen…Kennedy and Z-Mac are highly touted prospects too and should be giving a shot ….thats my point
Jeter is now tied in hits with Bill Buckner, 1 behind Rusty Staub. Of course Gehrig is only 6 away and then it is on to Roberto Alomar and Tony Perez.
Before the end of this season, there will be less than 50 players in the 130 year history of baseball who have more hits than Derek Jeter.
Between Coke, Marte, Aceves, Robertson, Melancon, Albaladejo, Ramirez, Sanchez, Dunn, Bruney, etc. you figure someone can step up and get 3 outs in the 8th inning.
If you have 3 righties up, go to Robertson or Melancon. If you have 2 lefties up, let Marte pitch a complete inning. Mix and match.
Doreen
I learned re-gifting at the foot of a master. My mom was a teacher and there’s only so many picture frames, Christmas pot holders, tote bags, boxes of candy and candles any one person could need.
Between Coke, Marte, Aceves, Robertson, Melancon, Albaladejo, Ramirez, Sanchez, Dunn, Bruney, etc. you figure someone can step up and get 3 outs in the 8th inning.
If you have 3 righties up, go to Robertson or Melancon. If you have 2 lefties up, let Marte pitch a complete inning. Mix and match.
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hey its your opinion…if you feel thats better then having a guy like Hughes blowing away righties and lefties, so be it
“not arguing but why don’t we have kennedy and Z-Mach battle for the 5th spot in spring training next year and leave Hughes in the pen…Kennedy and Z-Mac are highly touted prospects too and should be giving a shot ….thats my point”
If you’re really interested in “why” then look at what happened this season with the Red Sox and Yankees starting rotations. Does the term “starting pitching depth” come to mind? Trust me, Cashman and his rival GM in Boston will not be short on available starters in 2010 which is why Cashman will try to have Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy, McAllister and a few other unknown named starting pitchers be available to be Yankee starters next season. Such a valued commodity is worth a lot more than relievers.
RMEL doesn’t understand pitching. Rivera has one extraordinary pitch. Hughes has two plus fastballs and a plus curve. If his change continues to develop, that’s an elite starter’s repertoire. Why confine him to three outs a game? Especially when the chance of actually facing the “heart of the order” in the 8th inning is 11%?
With an arsenal of pitches, Hughes can work on his feet three times through an order. And it’s mind-boggling that anyone on earth would still think that 3 outs are more valuable than 21…even if you assume that higher leverage outs in the 8th are twice as valuable, you’re reducing Phil’s value by about 70%.
Someone might have mentioned this earlier, but with the loss on friday, the yankees this year can’t tie the 98 yankees with 114 wins. Shows how good that 98 team was.
“Someone might have mentioned this earlier, but with the loss on friday, the yankees this year can’t tie the 98 yankees with 114 wins. Shows how good that 98 team was.”
Baseball history will remember the 98 team as one of the best baseball teams of all-time. I don’t see this current team on that same page yet nor will I even try to proach that comparison until November 2nd, if at all.
Robertson gets more swings and misses in the zone than Hughes. What’s separating him is his low percentage of first pitch strikes (48). Phil’s well above league average, at 65. I would so much rather see if Dave can get to 56-58, which will lead to even more bad swings on pitches out of the zone, than waste Phil’s talent on the most overrated roster spot in the game
This team has been playing like the 98 team since the All Star Break, but I agree they do not belong in that category. They did not get out of the gate well and have yet to win anything.
I have a question for anyone: how many games do you think have we won this year that we would have lost if hughes was not in the bullpen? I’m sure its more than 0 but that it is less than 8. Therefore it is wrong to say that we are in first place because of hughes in the pen. Im interested in howq many games everyone thinks we would have lost.
I just mentioned it because that 98 team was so good that the best team record wise in baseball this year can’t touch them after september 4th, just a funny fact
I also have to say that even though I believe hughes shud be a starter, there is the fact that in 95 rivera was a starter and he only developed the cutter in like 97 or 98, he was basically all fastballs and changeups that blew by hitters until then
The WS could end on November 5th. Does anybody else feel that the integrity of the series can possibly be compromised by ending so late? WS is supposed to be played in chilly October air, but once the temp starts getting under 40, I think the game starts changing a bit. I think it affects the speed teams, also the cold weather doesn’t allow the ball to carry as much. Not an issue in the southern cities, obviously, but in NY, DET, etc, in can really come into play.
To sum up what our pen looked like with no 8th inning man…
June 11th in Boston. 3-1 lead against Boston in the 8th. One inning to go before MO and our first win against them. CC pitches a brilliant game and is over 100 pitches. We have no 8th inning man so we send him out. 3 straight base runners including a 10 pitch walk by Dusty, including an RBI. 3-2 Yanks, runners on 1st and 2nd, no outs. Aceves comes in… 2 hits and a sac fly to make it 4-3 Sox. Ace charged with the BS, Coke comes in, walks the first guy (what a shock) and wiggles out of it somehow but the damage was already done.
Deflating loss.
Zach McAllister will be in AAA next year.
This isn’t complicated. The Yankees have stayed away from spending big bucks on a multitude of relief pitchers the last few years. They signed Marte to the deal they signed him for because he was LH and could be used in different ways.
Other than that, you have Melancon, Robertson (who is probably the favorite right now for 2010 8th inning duties), Bruney (if he isn’t traded), Coke, Aceves and Marte to be in the pen in 2010. Out of those 5-6 guys, I find it hard to believe they one of them won’t be able to get 3 outs in the 8th inning.
Most teams would KILL to have a pen that good in front of Mo.
Also, if Mo is still great, he will go year to year when his deal expires. I doubt very much he retires after next season if he continues to perform at this level.
Phil Hughes will be in the rotation and will be able to throw 175-180 innings next year.
To figure out his innings limit, take his best year and add 30 to it. That would have him at a 175-180 innings limit next year, making him the perfect #4 or #5 starter in 2010.
Joba? Let’s see what the off-season holds for him.
Suppose he loses weight, is better able to repeat his delivery, and begins to listen to coaches and catchers? If that happens, there is a very good chance he recaptures his form. That would give the Yankees 2, under 25 starting pitchers with elite level potential. Add CC, AJ and Pettitte to that mix, with Mitre and Kennedy as the 6th and 7th starters, and you have an elite corp of starters with only 3 making over 1 million bucks a year.
That’s how you build a pitching first organization.
Last year, Justin Verlander was throwing 91-92 at this time and struggling big time to get through the season.
This year, he is back to throwing 97-98 and is a contender for the Cy Young Award.
The moral of the story is, its WAY too early to give up on young pitchers.
life is good for yankee fans when they are a lock for the playoffs in early september and discussing next year’s 8th inning guy.
there is no way hughes doesn’t become a starter so it’s really a pointless discussion as far as hughes goes.
… but hughes excelling in the 8th inning role shows how important the role is.
i think the best approach is having a lot of guys with potential competing for the role using the early season for auditions and that seems to be how the yankees are approaching it.
Unless the WS is in Anaheim or Los Angeles (or SF if they make it)… it is going to be a brutal climate.
NY, Detroit, Denver, Boston, Philly, St. Louis in November… ouch.
RMEL
September 6th, 2009 at 11:49 am
You keep trying to engage others in this argument, but nobody has said a thing about Kennedy except you.
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not arguing but why don’t we have kennedy and Z-Mach battle for the 5th spot in spring training next year and leave Hughes in the pen…Kennedy and Z-Mac are highly touted prospects too and should be giving a shot ….thats my point
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For starters, Mcallister is in AA this year and Kennedy will begin in AAA to get his innings back up.
Girardi is quite likely to use any and all of Bruney, Coke, Marte and Robertson (depending on the hitters) in the 7th and 8th innings. The 8th inning is not a spot that necessarily needs to go to one guy. And, before you repeat the “Do you really trust those guys?” BS, yes, I do. NYY’s plan appears to be leaning towards filtering in one minor leaguer a year and either converting them to relief (like Coke) or prepping them to start (Hughes).
Your goal so far is to argue that Hughes is the only option, regardless of the organizational stance. You didn’t help your stance by throwing out the “I predicted back in November that the Yanks would sign Teixeira.”, because it has nothing to do with any of this. Hell, 90% of this board said that, mainly in hopes that NYY would sign him. That doesn’t make anyone here the next Kreskin or Ms Cleo. That’s throwing crap against the wall and hoping it sticks.
Now, I’m sick of reading your 12 hours of hearing about this idiocy. I’ll look for something more interesting to read.
Already 12:30 and none of the kiddies called this game today a “must win” yet?
What gives?
Randy,
Exactly. Competition never hurt anybody. Only in NY do people attach God-like importance to the 8th inning.
Yes, Phil has excelled in the role. However, when you have CC Sabathia dominating as he has, Pettitte being probably one of the 3 best starters in the AL the second half of the year, the best offense in baseball and some guy named Rivera closing out games, getting 3, 8th inning outs becomes a LOT easier.
Hopefully, this season humbles Joba. If it does, that’s the first step toward getting him back to what he was.
Most of his problems are reduced to two simple areas. Conditioning and stubborness. Improving both of those issues solves the “Joba Dilemma”.
Add 2, 24 year olds (Joba and Hughes) to CC, AJ and Andy, and I’ll be happy to choose from Robertson, Melancon, Coke and Marte to figure out who sets up for Mo.
JMO but, I think they look to trade Bruney this off-season because he is out of options and I don’t think the Yankees want to tie up bigger money over for a diminished role for him on the team.
There is a reason that even #5 starters make almost 8 times the money as 8th inning guys. Its because starters are more valuable than setup guys and the pay scale in the game reflects that belief.
This 8th inning debate has distracted everybody from the lineup complaints, so to make up for lost time:
-How does Girardi expect to win with this lineup
-We’ll be lucky to get 2 runs today
-They are conceding a loss in a MUST WIN division game!
-This calls into question everything Girardi has done this year, his overall managerial skills, and his general character.
SJ, I hope the Yankees do not go back to 2006 when deciding how many innings he can go next year. That was a looong time ago and lots of things have happened to him since he threw those 146 innings.
I’m perfectly comfortable with Coke, Melancon, and Robertson in the 8th inning next year. 90% of the teams in baseball would kill for an 8th inning tandem like that.
For starters, Mcallister is in AA this year and Kennedy will begin in AAA to get his innings back up.
Girardi is quite likely to use any and all of Bruney, Coke, Marte and Robertson (depending on the hitters) in the 7th and 8th innings. The 8th inning is not a spot that necessarily needs to go to one guy. And, before you repeat the “Do you really trust those guys?” BS, yes, I do. NYY’s plan appears to be leaning towards filtering in one minor leaguer a year and either converting them to relief (like Coke) or prepping them to start (Hughes).
Your goal so far is to argue that Hughes is the only option, regardless of the organizational stance. You didn’t help your stance by throwing out the “I predicted back in November that the Yanks would sign Teixeira.”, because it has nothing to do with any of this. Hell, 90% of this board said that, mainly in hopes that NYY would sign him. That doesn’t make anyone here the next Kreskin or Ms Cleo. That’s throwing crap against the wall and hoping it sticks.
Now, I’m sick of reading your 12 hours of hearing about this idiocy. I’ll look for something more interesting to read.
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GreenBeret7
Let’s watch it with the name calling im just stating my opinion….but to sum it up in a tight playoff game this year or next year who would you like to have in tight sport the crew Bruney, Coke, Marte and Robertson or Hughes…if your answer is hughes i bet you its the players and Manager view too….A lot of you fell off the Kennedy bandwagon is the point im making…you where all high on him last year and now when we have a good thing working, something like from the late ’90′s you all want to change the formula…its weird to me and i would guess guys like Cone and Feinsand too….
Watching Girardi’s pregame… he has really improved a lot with the media. Much more loose. Good for him…
I have to agree with the premise that SJ has outlined. They Yankees have built an excellent pitching corps in their system. And Thurman is right. What about Wang? That, to me is the question. Chances are the Yankees resign Pettitte for another year. Wang starts in AAA, and Hughes is the #5 starter until he uses up his innings. Then possibly Wang comes back and Hughes goes to the pen. This is all a very fluid scenario, but its the kind of performance and financial felxibility most teams wish they had.
Saint
The ONLY reason to consider Hughes in the bullpen in 2010 is if Mariano tells them it will be his final season and they determine that Hughes is the best closer possibility for 2011 and beyond. Even then I wouldn’t do it.
I would argue that a closer is more valuable than a # 5 guy and the evidence supporting that view is overwhelming. However an eight-inning guy is the # 7 priority on the pitching staff behind five starters and a closer. Phil Hughes is obviously not a # 7 type talent.
I disagree with SJ and his absolutist position(s) which are at times proven wrong. You can’t guarantee that the Yankees will not acquire a set up guy. You never know what the market might become and if someone who has big time talent is available it just might happen.
One thing is clear. If Mitre keeps getting better the Yanks will have a boatload of pitching to offer up for that long term solution to RF…. and maybe even an A-list set up man.
“Competition never hurt anybody. Only in NY do people attach God-like importance to the 8th inning.”
That’s only because our current “God” was once the 8th inning guy.
Per Kim
CC/Posada in the day game tomorrow
AJ/Molina in the night game tomorrow
When the hell is Cervelli going to play? Why did they call him up if he never plays?
Is it one of the unwritten rules of LoHud that someone has to take it upon himself (or herself) to say silly things about Master Philip Hughes on a daily basis?
RMEL, good sense has already been directed your way, so I won’t bother. Rather, I just have a question for you.
You would like the Yankees to leave Hughes in the bullpen next season and find someone else to join the rotation. Ok.
The question is, do you think this is going to happen?
Adam
shut up
Add 2, 24 year olds (Joba and Hughes) to CC, AJ and Andy, and I’ll be happy to choose from Robertson, Melancon, Coke and Marte to figure out who sets up for Mo.
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SJ44 lot of respect for you on here….be honest who would you want in a big spot Robertson, Melancon, Coke and Marte or hughes….do you think if hughes was in the rotation this year we would be in the same place in the standing with those guys in the 8th inning…who would have you trusted yesterday game too
Fernando Rodney is another Farnsworth.
How many successful setup men are acquired on the FA market?
“Per Kim
CC/Posada in the day game tomorrow
AJ/Molina in the night game tomorrow
When the hell is Cervelli going to play? Why did they call him up if he never plays?”
Because Cervelli is a callup and until the Yankees clinch, most of the starts will go to the players that will be on the playoff roster.
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GreenBeret7
Let’s watch it with the name calling im just stating my opinion….but to sum it up in a tight playoff game this year or next year who would you like to have in tight sport the crew Bruney, Coke, Marte and Robertson or Hughes…if your answer is hughes i bet you its the players and Manager view too….A lot of you fell off the Kennedy bandwagon is the point im making…you where all high on him last year and now when we have a good thing working, something like from the late ’90’s you all want to change the formula…its weird to me and i would guess guys like Cone and Feinsand too….
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“Name calling”? Which name did you object to being called Ms Cleo, or, Kreskin?
GARDY! Woot! I am so excited for this homestand. Go Yanx!
“SJ44 lot of respect for you on here….be honest who would you want in a big spot Robertson, Melancon, Coke and Marte or hughes….do you think if hughes was in the rotation this year we would be in the same place in the standing with those guys in the 8th inning…who would have you trusted yesterday game too”
Quite frankly, your argument is starting to bore me because there is too much baseball to be played this season and numerous offseason moves that need to play out between now and April 1st to really be concerned about next year’s 8th inning guy.
RMEL,
David Robertson has pitched almost as well as Hughes since July 1. Look at his numbers since July 1.
I would rather have Hughes in the rotation and Robertson setting up than wasting Hughes in the bullpen.
The reason? Its easier to find guys who can get 3 outs than guys who can get 18-21 outs. Its simple baseball math.
86,
I think the chances the Yankees spend big money on a setup guy is miniscule. Would they go outside the organization to find an arm? Sure they could. A guy making big money?
No chance as far as the bullpen is concerned unless Mo said 2010 is his last year, something I don’t think is going to happen.
Brian Cashman has spent the last 4 years looking for payroll flexibility. He’s not going to impact that by wasting money on bullpen arms, the most fungible commodity in the game.
He has to use money to re-sign Damon and Pettitte, two larger priorities than spending money on the pen.
RMEL, good sense has already been directed your way, so I won’t bother. Rather, I just have a question for you.
You would like the Yankees to leave Hughes in the bullpen next season and find someone else to join the rotation. Ok.
The question is, do you think this is going to happen?
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i do, i can see Cash feeling out Lackey and if the price is right making a move….Something like 4/52 for him….or making a trade…We have the depth in the system….the point is if Hughes steps up big in the playoffs i can’t see how Cash moves him into the rotation because you have 2 problems for next year…innings limit on him and your set up man is lost to the rotation….BTW where was the loves for Hughes on here after the Baltimore game
I’m worried about winning #28 this year. I don’t even care about the off-season or winter or next year.
Worry about 2010 when it comes. A lot can happen between now and then.
“I’m worried about winning #28 this year”
That would be a pretty difficult task, wouldn’t it?
RMEL,
David Robertson has pitched almost as well as Hughes since July 1. Look at his numbers since July 1.
I would rather have Hughes in the rotation and Robertson setting up than wasting Hughes in the bullpen.
The reason? Its easier to find guys who can get 3 outs than guys who can get 18-21 outs. Its simple baseball math.
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Good point if his control gets better and pitches well down the stretch…maybe…lets see what plays out…i love D-Rob
talk to him a couple of times last year in trenton…good kid
RMEL
September 6th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Add 2, 24 year olds (Joba and Hughes) to CC, AJ and Andy, and I’ll be happy to choose from Robertson, Melancon, Coke and Marte to figure out who sets up for Mo.
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SJ44 lot of respect for you on here….be honest who would you want in a big spot Robertson, Melancon, Coke and Marte or hughes….do you think if hughes was in the rotation this year we would be in the same place in the standing with those guys in the 8th inning…who would have you trusted yesterday game too
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Who’s to say that Coke isn’t next year’s Phil Hughes? Who would you have trusted last year or in April of this year in the 8th inning role? Coke or Hughes, based on last year’s performance and April’s? This year isn’t in question….it’s next year and Coke can do exactly what Hughes has done. I’d prefer seeing Hughes do what he was drafted to do…..shut down lineups for 7 innings. I’d venture to say that more games are lost by bad starters than average or bad 8th inning pitchers.
Ok, RMEL, you’re on the record with your prediction. If sometime between now and next season Mr. Cashman or Mr. Girardi says “We’ve decided that Phil Hughes is going to stay in the bullpen rather than be a starter” then I will happily say “RMEL, you were right!”
And there was still love for Hughes after the Baltimore game. It was tough love and it came from Johnny Damon.
Pete gets tough on twitter…
PeteAbe: Seymour turns 30 soon, oft-injured, likely wouldn’t have re-signed and the Pats get a potentially high 1st round pick? I’m all for it.
PeteAbe: But leadership of Seymour, Vrabel and Bruschi will be hard to replace. In Bill we trust.
cawilkes: @PeteAbe ok pete, you’re a great yankees blogger and that’s why I follow you – but please leave the crappy pats talk in boston
PeteAbe: this is my private twitter account. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. I’m not apologizing for what NFL team I like.
Lackey’s asking price is not going to be reasonable, so, you can forget that. He’s certain to ask for a Burnett type contract and NYY isn’t likely to tie up 70 million dollars in 4 starting pitchers.
Most of the runs Robertson has given up are in blowout games anyway.
vs. TEX – trailing 6-2, gave up a run
vs. BOS – trailing 12-1, gave up 2 runs
vs. TB – leading 11-3, gave up 1 run
vs. OAK – leading 8-2, gave up 1 run
vs. ATL – leading 11-6, gave up a run
vs. ATL – trailing 4-0, gave up a run
vs. LAA – trailing 6-1, gives up 2 runs
vs. BOS – trailing 11-15, gives up a run
Yeah he had a couple of games where he didn’t do well in close games (Angels game, Chi Sox game etc.) but for the most part he has been very reliable when it counts.
I don’t think putting Phil back into the rotation has ANYTHING to do with Dave Robertson. If Robertson wasn’t pitching well this year, Phil would still not be permanently converted to a reliever. It’s really quite simple. Phil has the talent to be a special pitcher for a long time. Period. He is a starter, the Yankees look at him as a starter – they look at him possibly anchoring the staff for a long time. Converting him to a reliever/future closer, regardless of how well or poorly anyone else in the pen is pitching, would be the stupidest decision the Yankees could make and I would seriously have to question their decision making process.
Good morning everyone!
Looks like the debate rages on! I agree with almost everyone.
-Hughes will be a starter
-We need an EIG
-No to Sherril, Saito, etal (you guys were joking right?)
-Rodney will be looking to cash in, and he his track record is not all that great. A little better this year, but …
-SJ, Robertson-yes. Melancon-no. Add Marte’s name if he can stay healthy.
-We won’t be trading good prospects for a reliever.
My guess is the Yankees understandably so will want capacity crowds at both games if possibel. Depending on the number of hits today and the likely hood of both tying and breaking the record will i think influence when he plays. But Jeter may have something tosay about it. As historic as it is for him during games it just one more to win.
Why won’t anyone trust Cokey? He can handle the 8th next year.
m
September 6th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Good morning everyone!
Looks like the debate rages on! I agree with almost everyone.
-Hughes will be a starter
-We need an EIG
-No to Sherril, Saito, etal (you guys were joking right?)
-Rodney will be looking to cash in, and he his track record is not all that great. A little better this year, but …
-SJ, Robertson-yes. Melancon-no. Add Marte’s name if he can stay healthy.
-We won’t be trading good prospects for a reliever.
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You didn’t read the link I posted last night that says the Japanese leagues are going to raid the Majors of all of the best Japanese pitchers, including Igawa?
Looking forward to seeing Josh Towers pitch today. Has good stuff, throws strikes, could be a nice option in the 8th inning next year. He’ll have a chance to audition this month.
Oh, and murphydog. Sharapova wasn’t having on “off day” (was that Sherman’s words?). She’s on the comeback trail. Some sort of knee issue/injury/surgery?
Mel, I still believe that the 8th inning guy next year will be more of a “who’s batting” as opposed to a set 8th inning guy.
Lets go Yankees!
Bod – a promise is a promise. Lots of family stuff going on right now (all good but a lot of running around) so I am meeting myself coming back – one of my dad’s favorite sayings. Consequently I never left the promised ending yesterday, so here it is today. I am hoping that I get to give you a twofer:
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy for beantown – mighty Pukey grounded out.
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Enjoy the game all. I am psyched to see what Mitre has to offer. I have total faith in him – of course!
Off to run errands.
GO WHITE SOX!!!
GO YANKS!!!
Ok, RMEL, you’re on the record with your prediction. If sometime between now and next season Mr. Cashman or Mr. Girardi says “We’ve decided that Phil Hughes is going to stay in the bullpen rather than be a starter” then I will happily say “RMEL, you were right!”
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Trust ill own up if im wrong…lets enjoy todays game everyone
GB7,
When did you link it? But I did see the post on mlbtr.
Did you see this? I think Julio Franco’s an agent now. Hilarious!
Patrick at the great NPB Tracker passes along a report from the Japanese publication ChuSpo, which says that the Mets have agreed to sign Japanese teenager Taiki Kawasaki. The lefthanded hurler stands 6’1″, 170 lbs, and reportedly throws a high-80′s fastball, as well as a slider and curve. He’ll receive a minor league contract.
The 17-yr old native of Osaka left Japan after high school in hopes of signing with a Major League franchise, and has been training at Julio Franco’s academy in Florida. Patrick says that Franco will reportedly travel to Japan in the middle of next month to officially announce the signing.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....nager.html
“When the hell is Cervelli going to play? Why did they call him up if he never plays?””
personally , i would have called him up and not played him to drive people crazy who think he’s going to be great
i found cervelli worship one of the more annoying aspects of the blog this year.
that said, i think the idea is to be able to pinch hit for molina and still have a back up if something happens with posada being the only catcher then.
cervelli also is staying in playing shape by being there and is ready if one of the catchers goes down.
plus he could back up the bullpen catcher if he needed a break
Jete maine! Setting the table like always.
Robertson as the 8th inning guy.
That’s interesting, the consensus on Lohud after the Angel series was to DFA him. Couldn’t be trusted.
Amazing what having patience with young arms will get you.
I’d like to see Jeter steal a base today along with 3 more hits. Only fitting to see him get the needed hits tomorrow and steal #300 on the same day.
Sui!
I’m setting the over/under on the number of people who know today who will or won’t get the bulk of the 8th inning duties in July and August of 2010 at 0. And I’m taking the under.
GB7 got his wish.
But that was a gift, not a steal.
For all our knowlegable posters who want Huges as the 8th inning guy, answer this question: Off the top of your head – no research – can you name the 8th inning guy in Boston, Detroit, Dodgers, and Angels? Now, can you name their top 3 starters?
Something tells me that the names of their starters will jump out at you. No one fears a team due to who MAY be pitching their 8th inning.
That said, the Yankees have enough adequate internal options and possibly some through trades. Come on folks, what comes next, and argument over the primary utility guy? Oh, we did that already – Ransom vs. Pena. Forgot who I was dealing with here.
Saint
m
September 6th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
GB7,
When did you link it? But I did see the post on mlbtr.
Did you see this? I think Julio Franco’s an agent now. Hilarious!
Patrick at the great NPB Tracker passes along a report from the Japanese publication ChuSpo, which says that the Mets have agreed to sign Japanese teenager Taiki Kawasaki. The lefthanded hurler stands 6?1?, 170 lbs, and reportedly throws a high-80’s fastball, as well as a slider and curve. He’ll receive a minor league contract.
The 17-yr old native of Osaka left Japan after high school in hopes of signing with a Major League franchise, and has been training at Julio Franco’s academy in Florida. Patrick says that Franco will reportedly travel to Japan in the middle of next month to officially announce the signing.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/…..nager.html
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Mel, it was late last night or early this morning….depending on your location. It was the same article.
It’s only fitting that Franco is an agent. He knows talent. He recommended Taffy Wright and Babe Ruth.
m
September 6th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
GB7 got his wish.
But that was a gift, not a steal.
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Just call me “The Amazing GB7 Kreskin”. I’ll be back later. I’m going down and get my lottery tickets.
come on already
yikes, thank goodness Tex didn’t get hurt.
failston
I wish Rod was playing
The back up players have definitely not helped out in this series. D has been very bad.
I wish they rest guys and keep them off turf.
This is a meaningless game.
I’d rather have Arod fresh for October.
It seems like the real Mitre is back…
Not the same Mitre as last time. What a shame.
SJ44
I know Joe G is resting his guys for October. I just love watching the guy play.
Mitre is throwing batting practice out there.
yanks should score runs today off tallet…mitre keep this a reasonable deficit..
I don’t care if he had one good game. i don’t care if his arm was banged up last outing. Mitre SUCKS. he has always sucked, and he will always suck. get him out NOW.
When Wells gets a hit you know you threw a bad pitch. It is a good thing they brought up Towers. This could be another short outing.
so much for the bullpen getting some rest today
Defense struggling this inning.
Mitre quickly taking the Yankees out of this game. Already 3 runs in and only one out recorded.
Can someone tell David Cone to get out of the broadcasting booth, slip on a uniform and start pitching. I’ve had just about enough of Mitre and Chad.
I thought it would never end
I guess roids don’t help Ruiz run
the bullpen will not be affected too much if mitre continues to do bad…towers can give them 100 pitches and girardi wont even think of throwing his good pitchers out there
Saved by the double play. A VERY VERY hittaible Mitre on the mound.
Finally, inning is over. No reason why the Yankees can’t put some runs up on Tallet. Game is not over.
Thought the magic pitch calling skills of Jose Molina were supposed to turn Sergio Mitre into Brandon Webb. Mmmm…
That’s the 1,534th hole poked into the “Jorge Posada can’t call a game” theory.
And so the sub-6.00 ERA was again driven from the land!
Can Mitre push that boulder up the mountain… again??
Is this his singular tribute to Burning Man??
Is Mitre trying to send a message to those who would cross Chad Gaudin off the post-season roster???
Lord….did that ball deflect off of Cano’s hands and go straight to Teixeira or what? Nobody turns the ball around faster than Cano on the DP.
I know the Yankees have the best record in baseball but Cashman should have picked up another starter at the deadline. After Sabathia, Burnett and Pettite we are in trouble and that includes Joba
Exhale Paul.
The D killed him that inning.
He’s a pitch to contact guy.
If they play bad D behind him, it’s out of his hands.
It’s no big deal as long as nobody gets hurt today.
The game isn’t over, Yanks Fan. If you’ve been watching this team play all year, you’ll know that they’re rarely EVER out of game.. even when behind.
Woo hoooo! 5.97! Hope is not dead!
It seems like the Yanks need 5 long relievers in the bullpen with Gaudin, Mitre and Joba in the rotation. I wonder if they will consider bringing up Igawa or another starter to protect the bullpen down the stretch.
Ralphie,
Exactly. The bullpen won’t be negatively affected.
Especially with a DH tomorrow.
This is a glorified ST game.
Such is the luxury of an 8 1/2 game lead.
All Jorge Posadas Fault… has to be… hes giving mitre dirty looks from the bench.. and its why his sinker is hanging over the plate… Gotta be true…
GreenBeret7
September 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Lord….did that ball deflect off of Cano’s hands and go straight to Teixeira or what? Nobody turns the ball around faster than Cano on the DP.
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Not too many 2nd baseman would turn that one.
oh my god what the f@#$&$&
“It seems like the Yanks need 5 long relievers in the bullpen with Gaudin, Mitre and Joba in the rotation. I wonder if they will consider bringing up Igawa or another starter to protect the bullpen down the stretch.”
Why didnt Cashman trade for another starter????
Love the D in this series….
does somebody wanna say mitre sucks for his defense fumbling another ball?
Horrible D
That was just bad, Cano.
Mitre is getting snakebit.
“Woo hoooo! 5.97! Hope is not dead!”
you know nick, i think you are beginning to appreciate the difficulty that there is in being a good bad pitcher like livan has made a late career of .
a consistent 6.00 era is worth it’s weight in gold when you need it. of course if they had to pay livan by what he weighed that could be a problem.
I know, Im not a jump off the bridge kind of fan. Usually the Yankees manage to stay close and turn the heat on in the latter innings. Hope they do it this game.
I was just spoiled by Mitre’s last outing and was expecting him to build up from it. He didn’t get any help from the D, but he sure was as hittable as his bad Mitre outings. Hope he rebounds now.
…As I say this, Cano makes another erros. Boy, are they killing Mitre out there with horrendous defense…
Oh gawd Kay is telling the Jeter/Wells story for the 1,000,000th time. :p
It’s a good thing Sabathia and Burnett are pitching the DH tomorrow. We’re running out of long relievers/spot starters to go to.
Livan is so good at being bad that he’s on this 3rd team this season, right?
defense taking the day off.
MaineYankee
September 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
GreenBeret7
September 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Lord….did that ball deflect off of Cano’s hands and go straight to Teixeira or what? Nobody turns the ball around faster than Cano on the DP.
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Not too many 2nd baseman would turn that one.
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Regardless of that error, he turns the DP as well as anybody I’ve seen since Manny Trillo. Mazeroski turned the ball around like that too. But, nobody has that kind of arm. A second baseman with a third baseman’s arm.
Mitre’s ball is up and all over the place. Maybe every inning will be an error and then a hit.
Time to get Josh Towers heated up in the pen. Maybe he can audition for the No. 5 starter job that nobody seems to want.
Finally! A break.
The errors are an expression of love; let’s keep those runs unearned.
Mitre is throwing the ball badly. The D is killing him so far today.
Mitre is not a good turf pitcher. He gets a lot of ground balls, but, they are usually hit hard. Doesn’t excuse the two errors, though.
He has no control of that error, 100. Thats whats frustrating.
WooHoo! A scoreless frame! Comeback starts now.
Mitre looks really sharp. Love the people yesterday who were saying he should take Joba’s spot.
Nice scoreless inning after yet another error. He came to pitch in that 2nd inning.
I meant “isn’t” throwing the ball badly today.
He’s getting ground balls and the errors have killed him today.
All he can do is pitch to contact. Up to the D to make plays.
Defense has been bad, but I seem to recall Hinske butchering a ball in right and Pena letting one right through the wickets when Joba started.
Nonetheless, MITRE FOR STARTER
Mitre spits in the eyes of fate and doubters.
“Mitre looks really sharp. Love the people yesterday who were saying he should take Joba’s spot.”
I still hope that Joba is the fourth starter. But it can not be given to him without being earned.
Mitre is still pitching better than Joba in the last two outing and this as well. Errot resulted in that bad first inning. The question is how well he does rest of this outing.
He came to pitch in the first inning too.
Unfortunately, Hairston’s error on a routine play and foolishly playing the infield in on Barajas cost him 2 runs.
Jeter hit that ball hard. Bad play by Scutaro.
“Livan is so good at being bad that he’s on this 3rd team this season, right?”
you have to be really good at being bad to have three teams want you in one year.
he would be in the pantheons of good bad pitchers if a fourth team were to go after him.
i’m not sure it’s ever been done.
I don’t think you want to compare Mitre’s and Joba’s #’s their last 3 starts.
Speaks more to how badly Joba has pitched more than anything else.
Wow. What an ugly hit by Damon. But he’ll take it!
SJ44
O/T – there is an article on Doug Plank in today’s NY Times talking about the 46 defense, his career and post career leading up to the Jets job. I would post the link, but I don’t know how.
time for a tex message.
Lets hope the Yanks can piece together 3 or 4 SP’s, after Andy and CC there are real questions
damn thats just bad luck…that was easily a rbi single
Fran,
Try this. Right click the address bar, and click “Copy”, then right click in the comment box here, and click “Paste”.
Or Control-C & Control-P, if you prefer.
Thanks Fran, I’ll check it out.
Leyland has visited his good friend and Rays senior baseball advisor Don Zimmer in the hospital the past two days, as Zimmer recovers from surgery on Wednesday for decompression of a nerve in his lower back. “He’s still grumpy, so I know he’s feeling better,” Leyland joked. …
Maybe Yanks can come up with their version of Sphann Sain and two days of rain.
Matsui!
Sui baby! We’re back in this thing!
Big Hit by Godzilla
Wow. Talk about a Bermuda Triangle out there.
Thank you!
2-run single from Matsui!!! 3-2 game
Swisher has been very unclutch lately. Don’t know why Girardi has him batting 5th.
What’s with Tallet’s pants? High waters? Pedroia’s?
Frank — Thanks for the heads up on the Doug Plank piece. Was a huge fan of his as a teenager back in Chicago back in the day.
No way that was a strike to Swisher.
“That’s the 1,534th hole poked into the “Jorge Posada can’t call a game” theory.”
Why are Posada truthers so defensive?
They start this non-sense conversation and when the other side responds in king they go bonkers. Why don’t they just let it die?
For the record, I am a supporter of Posada, but at the same time admire the the defense that Molina and Cervelli bring to the game.
Im going to try to get tickets for tomorrows game to see if Jeter can break Lou Gehrigs record! Should be a great crowd. Hopefully Afraud sees the crowds love for Jeter. Remember when he criticized Jeter a few years back? I still havent forgiven him.
Swish!!!
**** Kind, not king.
lmao the ump didnt know where the ball was lol
LOL @ the umpire!!!!
Tied ball game!!
Time to retire Bob
lol at sui laid out
I apologize for calling Swisher unclutch. Weird play at home.
These umps REALLY need glasses LOL
Yankees better think long and hard about releasing Matsui.He’s truly an asset.I wouldn’t want the Yankees pitchers to face him’in AL West or Al Central.
Nice sensei kick out of the glove there, Matsui.
“Why are Posada truthers so defensive?”
That was ambiguous, but I think you misused the phrase “Posada Truther”.
“These umps REALLY need glasses LOL”
Sometimes decent strike zones would be nice too.
m,
thanks for the tip on linking. I will try it.
Now that the Yanks have tied it, get ready for Mitre to give it all back!
The strike zone has really been extended in this series.. But that is what happens when you have terrible, 70 year old umps behind the plate.
The Yankees better resign Matsui or its gonna burn them next year. Id be shocked if he isnt brought back on a 1 year deal for like $10 million
I don’t think that Davidson was expecting the ball to be kicked all the way to the stands. Usually, the ball may trickle out of the catche’s glove on a collision and that’s what he was waiting to see.
LMAO
Poor Swish.
Could the defense be any worse behind Mitre?!
Third error!!
why Mr. Sun, why.
Man.. D is hurting Mitre today.
Now it’s the sun. Great…
That’s bad defensive plays in every inning so far lol. Crazy.
are you kidding me
wow lol wow just wow
Are these guys kidding me? Now Tex?
And again. Ack.
Poor Mitre… the sun must be impossible today.
this is crazy, now Tex? :O
very odd game
Oh Geesh. How many errors can we get today?
The D is killing them today.
Mitre is fine. The D is not.
In fact, it’s been awful.
Cost Mitre 3 runs today.
Wow, this is moving from horrible to embarrasing…
This is just embarrassing..2 errors now back to back.
I dont know if you all know this, but this is the first day ever that 2 major league teams have played on a sunny day…excuses
What the hell!!!
We look like the Mets out there.
Worst defensive game of the year. Poor Mitre
Kay is right that Mitre seems to have to record 4 or 5 outs per inning. Freaking ridiculous
They say no sun burns brighter than that in the Toronto sky. 8)
I hope we don’t have to play many day games in the playoffs.
Nice K. It’s about the only way Mitre can get outs at this point.
Lol Kay. “Now you have to face the dangerous Inglett.”
Inglett isn’t much more than a spare part, but, he’s been a pain in the neck against the Yankees.
I hope the errors don’t continue. Mitre might go out there and smack the fielder. lol
Yank Mitre already and where is Towers FCOL!!
Davidson thinks the strike zone is 50 feet long…
Oh, those mutton chops are disgusting.
Podsednik is a pest for the White Sox. Ugliest swing in the world=infield single against Lester.
Swish will jack one to make it up to the team. Besides he needs to hit one more out before the homestand.
I guess that last pitch was a tad too outside to call a strike.
mm
September 6th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Yank Mitre already and where is Towers FCOL!!
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Umm… the way the defense is playing it won’t matter who is pitching.
Roids isn’t having any problem catching the pop ups…
Chip Caray with the orgasmic call on the DP.
Team is getting sloppy, revolving door at pretty much every position everyday. I think we need to play a couple of games with our A team out there.
Did that BJ’s announcer just call Jose, Benji?
Wow… Molina is completely useless with a that piece om lumber called a bat… frightening
Thats why I’m watching the BJ’s coverage, m. I’d rather listen to them than Chip Caray. I think he’s an awful announcer.
“Just call me “The Amazing GB7 Kreskin”. I’ll be back later. I’m going down and get my lottery tickets.”
i knew you’d be right about something someday.
The Tampa Yanks are getting hammered 9-3, but, Romine is 2-2 with a 2 run homer.
Trenton has the early lead at 4-1 in the third inning. Nunez is 2-2 with a double, and surprisingly, no errors.
The walk was probably on purpose. Since Damon hasn’t had good swings today.
Angel,
Sorry. I’m talking about the Boston/White Sox game.
Pedroia went out to right field for a catch that looked like was going to drop in. But using his magic skills, he made his arm grow a couple of inches, and doubled Podsednik
off 2nd.
Caray was so excited, I thought someone scored a goal in soccer. Long and loud!
sad
randy l.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
“Just call me “The Amazing GB7 Kreskin”. I’ll be back later. I’m going down and get my lottery tickets.”
i knew you’d be right about something someday.
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Are you kidding? I’m always right, but, I see no sense in showing off by posting my rightness.
By the way…I’m right about this, too.
and more of Mitre
Is it possible there won’t be any errors this inning?
While I appreciate your exhortation to exhale, SJ, and I am usually the one to counsel others to calm down, I have ALWAYS hated Mitre. I didn’t like him during that one-hitter and I didn’t like him when they acquired him.
I don’t like his lifetime numbers and I plain don’t like him as a person.
I’ll relax when I’m good and ready, thank you.
Best.
Paul
I could care less if you “don’t like someone”, especially someone who have never met.
Calm down and stop acting like a moron. We have enough of them who post on here, we don’t need more.
Mitre has pitched well today. His defense has cost him 3 runs and over 30 extra pitches.
Whether you like him or not doesn’t factor into the equation.
Wow. Baltimore giving Texas the fits again.
Remember the Texas/Baltimore game? The one the guy got a save in even though his team won by 17?
Yeah! A 1-2-3 inning by the defense.
Mitre’s mixing up his pitches more than he did earlier with better results. However, I am not sure he can keep up for another inning or two.
Disliking someone and remaining calm are not mutually exclusive.
GJ Tex
Mitre really hasn’t been that bad today. It is just unfortunate that he twice gav up hits right after an erorr. Another run was scored on 2 errors back to back. Hopefully he can give them another 2 innings or Girardi can use the AAA guys to save the bullpen.
Yeah, Mitre could’ve picked up the defense. But really hard when there’s 3 errors!
Oh I thought that the TBS game today was the Yankees game, M. My bad – I admit I hadn’t actually looked, just assumed it was. I still stand by him being an awful announcer though, lol.
Nice to see Tex get that hit. His timing has been alittle off recently.
“Are you kidding? I’m always right, but, I see no sense in showing off by posting my rightness.”
i knew you were smarter than you let on.
you had to be.
Wow Tiger appears to be lost in space, missing 5 foot birdie putts. Two Penalty strokes in today’s round. Guys are shooting 67′s and he has lost two strokes to par.
errors and a poor pitch selection is recipe for a disaster.
I’m assuming you know him quite well then, to so categorically not like him as a person?
Angel,
Worse, Ecks is in the booth, too. Thankfully he’s been pretty quiet as the third wheel. Darling doing much of the color.
Nick in SF….Cal-Berkley Bears…..Is Rivera ready to go today ??????
Swish baby!@!
Road warrior strikes again!
Very Nice.. Swish homerun.
Called that…
BEAUTFUL!!!!
LOL. Nick. A sac fly would’ve sufficed. Such a showoff.
Yikes… that sounds like a terrific announcing line up. Two of them at least, are clowns, lol.
Thank you, Nick! That was a nice little bit of atonement for your sun-error.
the swish hawk delivers!
still pretty down about having traded betamit for swish.
2-run homer by Swisher. I actually saw that coming. Love it!!
I feel like Swish has come up 1 million times recently with RISP. Good thing he got the runs in today.
Home Run for the man we got for Wilson Betamit
ACE – Hughes – MO = WIN!!!
zgveritas — can you give me the numbers for the powerball this week dude.
Angel,
And Chip just got excited when Elderberry legged out an infield single on a terrific play by Getz. You just can’t hide some things, I guess.
Like Kay getting excited on HR hit by the opponent.
Betimit was the 3rd wheel in the deal for Swisher. Johnny Nunez & Jeff Marquez were the keys to the deal.
randy l.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
“Are you kidding? I’m always right, but, I see no sense in showing off by posting my rightness.”
i knew you were smarter than you let on.
you had to be.
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Thanks, Randy. That’s as close to a compliment as I’ve ever seen you give. I was starting to feel like Brian Cashman.
Let’s Mitre get it to ACE
Hopefully there are no more errors now after taking the lead..
Did the Yanks call up Kei Igawa?
I think I saw him on the bench.
Meat Tray get the ball down…
Mitre ERA watch: 5.53 through 4 innings.
he didn’t mix it up and you see…
Wells runs well for a large man.
Vernon Wells is fast
Karen… Wish I could help with the P-ball #s but I can’t.
I’ve seen enough of Swisher’s making up for his screwups to think he would do it again today.
If Swisher can bump his average up to .260 by the end of the year, he will have had a very successful year. Next year, I’d like to see him cut his strikeout totals and clean up his defense.
Great defense continues
Now things are back to getting ugly. Molina had no chance there.
Pat M, it was a great night to be in Berkeley. Some Terp fans tried to talk trash on Bart beforehand, but it didn’t seem like their hearts were really in it.
No surprise at Best’s excellence, but it was heartening to see Riley do well. The verdict is still out on him, however.
Good call on UW, they covered the 17.5 with a point to spare, no?
I am very much looking forward to U$C’s visit to Berkeley in early October, though I fear I might be missing Yankee baseball that day.
nice – fooled him on a curve
Oh yeh Joba’s spot sure is in jeopardy for the POs
Freaky play. Stop the bleeding here, please.
Horrible Defense. I don’t blame Mitre for today
Every player on the field owes Mitre a dinner. Man, horrible is a kind word for this.
Annoying.
Some not so good times in the field all round today.
Or not.
Get Mitre out of there. The defense is not interested in playing so bring in a reliever who can get strikeouts.
horrible defense!!!horrible for AA. FOr the majors it is insulting how bad it has been today.
what a disgrace…
Man, its almost like the only way he can get outs is by getting strikeouts and taking matters into his own hands.
This is really the most ridiculous game Ive seen in terms of Yankee defense. This is unwatchable.
6-5 bad guys.
Time to get Meat Tray out of the game. Now he is getting smacked around. They should of started Roids off with an off speed pitch. We know he can hit a fastball.
should have listened
Nick in SF, I went to the USC game …..They reloaded and are still very fast…..Granted it was a exhibition game vs. San Jose State, but wow……
“The defense is not interested in playing so bring in a reliever who can get strikeouts.”
Edit: Even strikeouts are reaching base, so the Yankees pitchers are just screwed.
Oh my goodness.
The defense has been horrendous. BUT, Mitre is just awful. The balls that have been hit this inning have been ROCKETS. And another misplay…wow this is unwatchable. Let’s go White Sox!
Turning this game off
if the yankees didnt have a 8.5 game lead…my tv would be broken…but as is, im ok
Hairston really is not playing very well at 3B today.
Terrible play by Hairston..WOW..The back up players have really hurt them when you play these guys more often.
ACE!!
This is a complete joke. Girardi has to start pulling players off the field if this continues.
The fielding ineptitude is fascinating…and yet I still think they will win.
Midtown Mike — he’s given up mostly ground balls that the infield can’t get to (or gets to and can’t figure out where to throw). Don’t think Mitre’s done badly.
You see this a lot in basketball, the last game of a road trip becomes a letdown game.
Sheesh, the defense doesn’t seem to be interested in helping Mitre out at all today.
Joe isn’t going to take people off the field. This isn’t all on Mitre, at all.
The defense has been bad today, but, this inning is on Mitre other than Hairston’s non-play.
The whole defense can line up, take their pants down, and then Girardi can spank everyone of them…
This is just a disgrace!
I’m not happy with the amount of errors, they’re stupid mental ones – but I fail to see a reason to lose it over them either.
hairston’s non play was huge…
he is playing like an idiot………
m -
I was thinking that myself. They have to leave, they have a DH tomorrow. I haven’t seen the Yankees this poor in a long time. When Mitre DOES make a good pitch, the defense lets him down. And then he grooves one. Oh, well.
Unfortunately (or fortunately if you’re going to optimistic), there’s still 4 innings left to this game.
The worst thing is they’re going to need the bp tomorrow for TWO games. Yuck.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that Girardi has treated this whole trip as spring training games. I would have to think it has a little bit. The players know it and are not as sharp and seem to have very little concentration.
SUX score…damn it
Oh my.
This is by far the worst defensive game I have ever seen a team play above little league level. Tex has misplayed two balls, Cano two, Swisher two, Hairston two, Damon one. Jeter has no range on a rug.
Bob Davidson should be forced to retire immediately. Unless the rules have changed when the batter hits the catcher with his bat it’s a dead ball. He’s also squeezed Mitre because of the barking from the bench.
Matsui’s base running should end even his most supportive posters from endorsing his return in 2010.
I think Mitre has pitched and composed himself pretty damn well considering what his inept teammates have put him through.
Get Mitre out!!
Hairston is a versatile player, but, just not that good defensively at any position.
This game wouldn’t be anywhere near the score that it is, without the aid of the errors.
OMG
Pat M, my brother was supposed to place a bet for a buddy of his who wanted San Jose St and the points…but he clicked the wrong button and took USC and gave the 35… I urged him to let it stand and take his pal’s money, I never doubted that the Trojans would romp… I felt better about that than about Cal giving 21 truthfully…
and poor pitch selections
Yes, to all you Mitre apologists, including Michael Kay, it has been a sloppy game. But you know what? He still sucks. And getting out with a loss and no injuries is no way to approach a game that you could win. Bring in some of the young guys to pitch.
Ok I’m sorry but all of this is not on the defense, 8 runs? are you kidding me? sometimes SP have to pick up thier defense, he didn’t do that here. This all in all is a big reason Mitre is so not pitching over Joba in the playoffs, we can put that to rest now.
Karen, are you serious? The guy has given up 10 hits in 4.1 innings and just walked in a run. Every time the Yanks scored a run, he gave it right back. The defense failed him, sure. But he is horrendous and if you can’t see that, you don’t know baseball.
Not the end of the world by any means. Tomorrow is a huge day. Hopefully we move beyond this sloppy play and regain focus defensively.
Oh, well. Let’s hope Mitre has better luck (and stuff) next time.
Mitre is just as complicit in this performance.
His defense has betrayed him, but he’s been very bad.
I’m hoping THIS is the game they use to get all the crappiness out of their systems.
“Thanks, Randy. That’s as close to a compliment as I’ve ever seen you give. I was starting to feel like Brian Cashman.”
hey , you’re both having good years. got to give credit when it’s due.
…and if you’re right about something next year.
i’ll be the first to congratulate you
Oh Paul V – you are out of control and need to chill. Did the guy kick your puppy? Grow up.
The first 4 innings was the defense. This inning Mitre just showed how terrible he is. He completely hit a wall. Since he isn’t any good those things will happen.
not in this sitution
Quick, place your bets.
BB
K
HBP
Hit
GIDP
mm
September 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
SUX score…damn it
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OH, No!!!! here come the Red sox on a major run to overtake the yankees. Monumental collapse on the way.
That being said, I still think they can win, IF they decide that the amount of errors they’ve had today are enough.
team is asleep…
Ok, this is atrocious and that walk with the bases loaded certainly does it for Mitre. Not the best game from him, but remember he is the 5th starter and the defense played behind him wasn’t even little leagues worthy. I feel bad for him because if the defense had ben at least decent, it wouldn’t have looked as ugly as this.
But oh well, entered this inning leading by one and now we are trailing by three. Its been that kind of an horrendous game. Complete garbage of a game all around from the Yanks.
Yes, to all you Mitre apologists, including Michael Kay, it has been a sloppy game.
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Will you people STOP using the word apologist incorrectly?
Most overused word on this blog!!!
it helps to strike someone out when you throw strikes.
told you so
>:(
yikes.
Melancon is a joke…idc what anyone says…Trade Bait at best
groan
This is beyond stupid.
Thank GOD the Yankees play the Red Sox, Angels, and Rays in the final two weeks of the season. That should keep them from losing focus before the playoffs.
Oh, and why bring Melancon into a situation like this when he has not yet proven that he can throw strikes? I understand not wanting to waste the bullpen but can’t you use Coke or Marte for a couple of batters and then go to the scrubs/rookies for a fresh inning?
randy l.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
“Thanks, Randy. That’s as close to a compliment as I’ve ever seen you give. I was starting to feel like Brian Cashman.”
hey , you’re both having good years. got to give credit when it’s due.
…and if you’re right about something next year.
i’ll be the first to congratulate you
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Thanks, Randy….I’m looking forward to next July, then.
The Yankees are just mailing it in today. The defense just terrible and now walks. I feel bad for Mitre.
Is this Spring Training?
Okay. I’m going to turn off my TV, get on my bike, ride to brooklyn, and start my day over mentally. Maybe I’ll peek at the mlb gameday app on my iPhone in an hour.
I love you all.
1 thing is obvious with Melancon he seems very scared to throw strikes in the majors. I feel like almost every time he has been given a chance he loads the bases. Obviously this is a tough spot for him but he always seems scared of the strike zone.
yankees arent using aceves today with a double header tomorrow.
“Mitre is certainly getting no help from his teammates. But he also has given up 10 hits in 4.1 innings. He’s at fault, too. ”
Yep, that says it all. You can’t let Mitre off the hook because his teamattes have messed up. This has been an all around bad game for the Yanks. They are still in it but they must limit the mistakes to have any chance at winning.
RS at least you have common sense
1 thing is obvious with Melancon he seems very scared to throw strikes in the majors. I feel like almost every time he has been given a chance he loads the bases. Obviously this is a tough spot for him but he always seems scared of the strike zone.
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melancon didnt load the bases. mitre did.
Poor Mitre, his teammates really sc rewed him today. They really let him down.
5th run Mark Melancon walked in this year. Doesn’t matter how “young” you are, if you can’t throw strikes with runners on base, its hard to be a good relief pitcher.
Nobody here is a “Mitre Apologist”. When you have to get 7 extra outs in a game because of the physical and mental mistakes by your defense, and you are a pitch to contact pitcher, that never bodes well for your day.
Aside from emotional 10 year olds who know little about the game, most people who follow baseball understand that simple premise.
I’ll gladly take a 5-2 roadtrip and knock another game off the schedule and come home to start a homestand.
“With all due respect to Fran, who is a prince of a guy, is this really the best thing that happened on Sept. 6 in Yankees history?”
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Well, I’ll humbly submit that a significant moment in Yankees history that occurred on Sept. 6 was MY BIRTHDAY!!! Whitey Ford beat the Tigers 2-1 on a Joe Pepitone walk off RBI single.
Now, 46 years later, the Bombers better come back and win for me on my b-day!
Great play Jetes.
“Eiland grow some balls and get ACE in ther”
Why in the WORLD would you WASTE Aceves today? This game was a throw-away game. In fact, this whole series was a throw-away. I’m happy that we were somehow able to split.
Giradi did the same thing with Melancon back in May in Fenway….Tough spot….
Folks:
Please, just because the Yankees are losing does not mean you can curse, use crude terms, etc. This blog is part of my newspaper and we can’t allow the comments section to get out of hand.
Thanks.
This game is not Mitre’s fault.
Aside from the sloppy play and the turf hits, this Blue Jays team effort is unbelievable.
Mark Scooter recognized an important situation in a game against us, but failed to recognize a fastball coming right at his head. However, Mr. Scooter recognized the need to sit out the rest of the series after being hit in the head.
His teammates also failed to defend their teammate as well as run down to first base after strikeouts in the dirt got away from the catcher, on top of the need to put a ball in play against Papelbon with the tying run on 3rd and less than 2 out.
But why should that be surprising. Mark Scooter felt the necessity to hit a walkoff 3 run homer off the greatest closer in baseball history.
I wonder where Bill Selby is?
Mark Scooter – epic fail
Well, the whole inning was horrible. But the two runs walked in are completely unacceptable. 7-5 is much easier to overcome than 9-5. Make that 10-5.
I agree with Angel. Mitre has not pitched well, but sinkerball specialists are defense dependent pitchers. When the defense makes this many mistakes a guy who lives on ground balls has not chance. you cannot discount the pressure of having to pitch from the stretch over and over and over again.
You know the defense is horrible when only one player on the field (Melky) has not come up short in one way or another. Really should give Jeter a pass too, since his shortcomings today are based on limited range and not misplays.
“knock another game off the schedule”
I understand your premise. But you do understand that a Yankee loss + Red Sox win does NOT knock another game off the schedule, right?
Girardi should take Tex and Jeter out of the game after this inning. The team has 2 games tomorrow no reason to keep them in this game.
See what happens when you go by the book,and not look at what the person is doing, no mater what.It will bite you every time.Mitre is Joe’s pet project,and by gosh,he will pitch.
Having Gaudin,Joba,now Mitre,in a row,Yankee fans need a break.
Melancon comes in with bases loaded 1 out,thrown into the fire,to clean up Joe’s bad judgement.
The Yanks can come back from 5 runs if Mark can keep us where it is.
Sorry Pete.
yuck
Melancon not looking too eager to become the next closer for the yankees.
Melancon needs more time at AAA. Clearly scared of the majors.
I’m sort of laughing at this point.
You bring Melancon into these situations for several reasons.
One, they aren’t going to burn their better relief pitchers with a DH tomorrow. Especially after they have already had a successful homestand.
Two, these are the type of situations he is going to have to perform in if he wants to have a future in NY.
David Robertson, Alfredo Aceves, Phil Coke, Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain have all had to cut their teeth in the pen in these situations. Its a hurdle Mark has to climb if he wants to make this roster in the future.
Bad game all around. You turn the page and move on because this game matters little in the grand scheme of things.
lol it’s a laugher.
Time to sit players and get them rested for tomorrow.
“melancon didnt load the bases. mitre did.”
I know. I never said he loaded the bases. He tends to do it when he starts the inning.
3 runs via BB? In one inning?
“The Yanks can come back from 6* runs if Mark can keep us where it is.”
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well 11 runs so far.
does this mean molina is a terrible catcher?
if posada was catching today he would be getting murdered here.
include Girardi
looks like melacon will be spending 2010 in AAA again
Not ready for prime time player…..Mark Melancon
Well, win some you lose some, and this is a lose.
Got a doubleheader tomorrow, don’t use any of our good pen, Joe. Let the kid learn what happens with ML hitters when you don’t throw strikes.
Listening to Chip Caray and his Red Sox propoganda.
The least Chip could do is admit he’s a Red Sox fan.
That might be semi-professional.
But professionalism does not suit Chip.
Melancon a future closer? Maybe for the Long Island Ducks.
And take a gander at Mitre’s ERA! Melancon not helping the ERA Elimination Effort.
successful “roadtrip”, not “homestand”. Sorry for the typo.
Not here
How quickly a game can turn for the ugly? Wow, 5-4 before the inning started. Now its 11-5.
Melancon is a freaking joke.
Jim,
Did you just hear Chip on that strikeout to end the inning? Have some dignity, Chip!
And Towers will be the last pitcher used today for the Yankees, So he better forget about ERA or pitch count for this stint.
Brandon -
I put it as 5 runs when it was 5.
It’s a stinky game. But, it’s just one game, and I didn’t expect to win this one. Wanted to, but didn’t expect to. Didn’t expect stinkiness, though, either.
Wow – this game is horrible. JHJr. Mitre. Melancon… just blah.
Get Swisher warmed up
Who cares about the Red Sox they aren’t winning the division, and they have a lot of issues with their pitching staff as well. I rather see the Yankees perform like this during mid-sept. then the end of sept. going into the playoffs. Just one of those bad games.
If Towers could hold them….you never can count out the Yanks!
Girardi showed once again, he has trouble with managing a pitching staff. Why did he wait until 4 runs were already in before he finally removed Mitre from the game? Why did he then bring Melancon, a rookie, into such a high pressure situation? The only thing I can figure is that he is not trying too hard to win this game.
But then, it’s not Girardi’s fault that Yankee pitchers have walked in 3 runners in this inning. But he certainly could have pulled Mitre before the landslide had already reached full speed.
m -
Yes, I heard it. Chip acted like it was the first time a pitcher has reached 200 strikeouts. He sounded more excited for that than when he probably had his first child, if he has a child.
I’m glad that I’m out of town and missing this game. Not sure why they are playing so badly, but let’s hope that they get their act together for TB.
I would still like to see Igawa get a start before the season ends. Just curious if he has improved at all. When you are throwing Gaudin and Mitre out there can Igawa be that much worse? Giving him one start won’t hurt anyone.
Just unreal….
OMG
kinda pathetic how people are riding melancon…guys pitched 12 innings in his mlb career…yes im sure he has no future and will be sent down to rookie ball next year…sad, remember when roberston was stinking the place up and people sad he was garbage?…well look how that turned out..
and meanwhile towers hits ruiz in the head…makes sense given how this game has gone..
Wow ! This is a really bad game !
Mark Melancon may become a fine major league reliever at some time in the future but not in 2009 and most likely not in 2010. He’ll be ready when he’s ready, those of you who fall in love with every AAA pitcher need to learn the difference in the level of play.
As for the play today, it’s totally expected-last game of a road trip, double header tomorrow, big lead, etc, etc, etc. It just means nothing in the overall scheme of things. It would be no surprise to see the Yankees play .500 ball for the next couple of weeks, they’ve done all the tough work for the regular season already.
omg, is he okay?
Damn…
Pat M,
Exactly. This kid may end up walking in 10 runs this year.
Hard to understand because he was a much better strikethrower in the minors.
Definitely not ready for primetime unfortunately.
In the end, it matters little since he won’t be in the post-season roster.
Please, enough with the ridiculous worrying about the Red Sox. They aren’t going to blow this lead. The division is safe in hand.
Jeremy -
Just one game. You’re absolutely right. Early September, not a big deal.
RUIZ!!!!!!!
Tampa Yanks were beaten in the first game, 11-6. Romine was 3-4 with a double and 2 run homer. Manny Banuelos was called up from Charleston to get some relief innings. one perfect inning….2 strikeouts.
Hope Ruiz is okay
now Towers
I mean damn…
Oh my gosh. How awful.
Can we pretend today isn’t even happening?
Well that was a good 0-2 pitch.
Lets get a pool going on who is going to be the first Yankee to get plunked.
hope ruiz is okay
who’s hurt?
The Toronto feed shows him spitting out large amounts of blood. Pretty gross.
Jim,
No. The 200th K was an afterthought. He was excited by the strikeout itself, not the achievement. I could hear it in his voice.
Hey, your paranoia sure is contagious. But this game is so ugly, it’s making everying ugly.
I hope the Blue Jays do not hit out guys to defend Ruiz.
It’s not like they hit any Red Sox after Beckett nearly ended Mark Scooter’s season.
This game is a disaster
Make it 4 runs on walks in the inning. A HBP or a walk, same thing, really.
Hope Ruiz is okay. That was a nasty hit he just took.
It looks like he’ll be fine.
clap clap clap
get well Ruiz
he’s from the Bx, he’ll be fine.
Melancon can’t expect to stay in the big leagues if he can’t throw strikes. This is freaking ugly but its still the 5th inning. But this has been beyond ridiculous. Sure, none of the pitchers in this game may get any relevant action in the postseason, but the defense, mostly by regulars, has been disheartening.
Can we get more pitchers from wherever Aceves came from? I’m tired of guys who throw hard but pitch like they’re playing “Pin the tail on the donkey.”
8 runs in one inning because of walks, errors, and HPB’s are unacceptable.
Okay, Chip sounded equally excited by the putout of Pedroia as he slid head first.
My feed is on the blitz. Is Roidiz okay?
m -
Chip’s call all the way around was disgraceful.
But you’re right. His initial excitement at the “blazing heater” was sickening.
Hearing Chip caray’s voice is not paranoia, it’s fact.
Inherited Runners Allowed to Score:
1. Where can I find that statistic?
2. I think a relief pitcher’s ERA should reflect that.. OR, maybe to ensure accurate comparisons with old stats, we should have a new stat called nERA (“new ERA”), which would give half credit for the pitche who let the runner on base, and half for the pitcher who let him score.
errors walks and someone getting hit in the face. Great game
OMG that was horribly scary!!
This game is unwatchable.
Towers, Dunn, Alba and Edwar better be able to finish this game. Also Damon, Tex and Jeter better be out.
ooops
What a train-wreck of an inning. Eight runs.
Ralphie,
I don’t think its that.
I’ve watched Mark Melancon pitch a lot in the minors over the last couple of years.
The fact is, he has been awful in terms of strikethrowing at the major league level. That’s just a fact.
When you have now walked in 6 runs this year, and are consistently pitching behind to just about every hitter, that’s just not good.
Does he have a future? Yes if he can throw strikes, no if he can’t.
His arm action scares me a little. Not a lot of “long arm” type of throwers have great command.
He just needs more work. A lot of work, actually.
This game is meaningless today in the grand scheme of things.
As far as player development though, I think some of us thought Melancon would be farther along.
He’s not and that’s a shame.
ARod better wear a mouth piece when he bats.
The Toronto feed shows him spitting out large amounts of blood. Pretty gross.
They are used to it. Its a regular occurrence in a hockey game. Difference is a hockey player stays in the game.
Cito Gaston is going step up for his team (fill in blank) and retaliate against us.
Of course, knowing the pitch was not on purpose by Towers.
what in the world makes you think A-Rod is going to bat? It’s 12-5.
if the Yankees go down quietly this inning it probably means they want to get on their flight home as soon as possible.
the yanks will go down swinging in this half inning… just horrible…
the jays look like the yanks
I agree SJ, melancon has put up good minor league numbers and it hasnt transfered over to the majors yet but he still is in the very very early portion of his career…walking in 6 runners in 12 innings is horrific but his ability to throw strikes in the minors and not in the majors has to be mental..a little confidence should do him some good..
Some of you will be happy. Youkilis just got whacked in the knee cap.
And Chip Caray with the bigot remark about the south side and knee caps.
Man the Rangers are falling apart in Baltimore. I don’t see how a team as good as them can’t take a series from one of the worst teams in the AL.
funny how Molina was the last yankee to homer at old yankee stadium
5-4-3 triple play in Milwaukee.
Jays “fans” are excited for an out..They might actually get a win. lol
I don’t really think this should be treated like a “must win” game by the team.
Get it over with quickly and get out of town.
Tomorrow is going to be a long day and night at the ballpark.
5-2 on this roadtrip. Can’t ask for any more than that.
not just a win – a pretty good spanking.
SJ, Is Melancon ticketed for Fall Ball ??? Otherwise it’s wait until March to get it right……Although this is the 2nd time Giradi has called him into a game with the bases juiced…..
When the Yankees have a bad game, they REALLY have a bad game. If feels like (and it may not be fact, but it feels like) they don’t lose a lot of “heartbreakers.” When they lose, they lose all the way, no doubt about it. (I know there’ve been a couple of close ones, but not many.)
Interest discussion of Hughes and Joba. Again, why make this a contest between them? And where are the Joba defenders of yesterday when someone alludes to Phil being head of the rotation. Yesterdays’ posters (some of them) declared that Joba was a better pitcher than Phil. One reason being that Joba has 4 pitches and Phil has 2 1/2?
In one of Joba’s great games, he and Posada fell all over one another giving one another credit for good pitching and pitch calling in interviews after the game was won. Here are the pitches that Posada gave Joba credit for:
1) curve ball
2) slider
3) change
4) sinker
and the fast ball
Again let’s give Joba a little credit here for the good games that he has pitched this year and the previous years. Don’t be too quick to write him off for his first full year as a starter. If anyone thinks that Phil will step into a starter position next year w/o difficulty is not being real. He may also face innings limits.
Let’s let the young man continue to pitch great out of the bullpen this season and worry about next year, next year.
Did we hit another Jays batter? I’m glad that I can’t hear the Jays announcers. They must be having a field day.
According to Chip, Danks is undefeated in his last 5 White Sox starts, as opposed to his other starts with the Tigers
JeterJoba,
Where the heck did that come from?
Start the comeback guys! If not, just one game.
Cito has to know this was a gift from Joe.
Considering that Toronto has nothing to play for,but this gift from Joe.
Toronto only plays ball when it’s against the Yankees,that’s the highlight of their dismal season.
Laura • This is our year!
September 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Did we hit another Jays batter? I’m glad that I can’t hear the Jays announcers. They must be having a field day.
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actually they are being very balanced and said the hit batters in this series have been bad pitching, not intent.
Giambi playing 1b in Denver. Thought he was a PH specialist like Matt Stairs.
i wonder what jeter’s career average would be if he played his home games on astro-turf..
Jays “fans” are excited for an out..They might actually get a win over the Yankees, and not the Red Sox. lol
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Alright Johnny! Keep it going! If not, just one game.
Notice how Jeter ISN:T diving out over the plate.
Jeter wants to play both games tomorrow? Why..There is really no reason to. Maybe he wants to get the hit record asap. lol
Bloop and here comes the blast
Jim Pir-one
September 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Start the comeback guys! If not, just one game.
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Comeback? While you never rule that out with the Yankees, I might actually just be glad this horrible nightmare is over.
Kassin -
That’s quite a conspiracy.
Jim Pir-one
September 6th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Jays “fans” are excited for an out..They might actually get a win over the Yankees, and not the Red Sox. lol
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You are one effed up guy, try some heavy duty prescription drugs, maybe it will help.
zgveritas,
But everytime Giambi came to the plate as a PH he had an rbi. So maybe trying to get more AB for G? But obviously Tracey didn’t take a look at Giambi’s +/- numbers.
sigh….
“Toronto only plays ball when it’s against the Yankees,that’s the highlight of their dismal season.”
well the blue jays are 4-11 against the yankees going in to today..they sure know how to play ball against them
Doreen,
In a way, I like it that way.
This way, you get the regulars out of the game, don’t burn any of the core bullpen guys, and its an easier game for the team to forget.
4 days on turf in Toronto is an eternity for an older team.
They played today like they couldn’t get wait to get home.
Can’t blame them really with a day/night DH tomorrow and a winning roadtrip in hand.
Only 25 games remaining and they are either 7 or 8 games up in the loss column. I’ll take that anytime.
Especially after last year.
who pitches now? Stay with Towers?
Pat M.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
SJ, Is Melancon ticketed for Fall Ball ??? Otherwise it’s wait until March to get it right……Although this is the 2nd time Giradi has called him into a game with the bases juiced…..
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PAT, I would think that he would. Right now, there are still three open spots in the Arizona League. They have 3 of the 7 spots still open. Kennedy, Laird, Curtis and Romine are scheduled to go. I assume that at least two other spots go to pitchers.
I hope Derek plays both games tomorrow. I am going to the night game and want to see him break the record.
Mark down Labor Day of 2009 as the day Derek Jeter became the all time hits leader for the Yankees.
A 70 year old record falls.
I turn on the Red Sox/White Sox game and they’re talking about the Joba rules.
*rolls eyes*
TBS booth talking about Pettitte! Giving him props.
It would be real cool for the Yankees to put together a video montage of every Jeter hit.
Help me with the math. Maybe 2 seconds per hit, with the occasional 10 second big hit. It can’t be that long, can it?
M Jay = genius
“derek will break the record at home, unless he does it today”
It’s better to just throw away the last 3 innings than try here. the more ABs, the more chance we have of getting hit and getting someone hurt.
Melancon will be fine. I’m not worried about a young pitcher with a career minor league walk rate of 2 bb/9.
You cannot judge a player on his inaugural appearance in the majors. Melancon needs more work, but that doesn’t mean he’s not ever going to be a good big league pitcher.
Yankee fans need to learn patience with these youngsters, and let the coaching staff handle them according to their schedules.
As many of you have rightly pointed out, this game is a throwaway game, it means nothing. The only concern I would have is getting someone hurt. Hopefully, Joe will start clearing off the starters in the next inning.
Here we go for another sock it to me, roller coaster inning.
Fasten your seatbelts,it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
Tarheelyank September 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
It would be real cool for the Yankees to put together a video montage of every Jeter hit.
Help me with the math. Maybe 2 seconds per hit, with the occasional 10 second big hit. It can’t be that long, can it?
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90 minutes if only 2 seconds per hit.
Towers has made good pitches to get ahead in the count, then not so much.
Re: Melancon
I wish that baseball was like international football. We could loan Melancon out to the Pirates to get him some work.
The Yankee pitchers are the bullies of the league. I dont know who is worst. Jaba who leads the league in hitting players. Melancon who is a piece of crap or Towers the newest addition of punks. You bet the Toronto is going to get revenge. You just watch and see. Somebody from the Yankees is going to get hurt today. I wonder who? My money money is on Tex or Jeter.Maybe Tex or Jeter need to have a talk with those punks and tell them to knock it off. Jim Pir you have some nerve to even suggest that the Jays need to give a break after this type of hit.
Unfortunately, his major league walk rate is horrific.
Minor league hitters chase more balls out of the zone than major league hitters.
If he doesn’t adjust, he won’t be a factor at the big league level.
So far, he has yet to make the adjustment. That’s why he’s walked in 6 runs this year.
Bottom line, rookie or not, that’s awful and he has a lot of work ahead of him if he wants a spot in this bullpen in 2010.
based on the way Towers is throwing today, it’s a safe bet that he will never pitch a meaningul inning for the Yankees.
“When the Yankees have a bad game, they REALLY have a bad game.”
I was just thinking the same thing. All of Wang’s starts early in the year, Burnett’s 3 outings in Fenway Park, the games in Anaheim and Chicago…
Hey look, another bad play.
Defense baby!!!
Oh, boy.
Do you watch every inning, Christina? Or does someone send a signal from the bat cave everytime a Yankee hits a batter?
Christina,
Go away with your mindless crap. I’m sure there is a Red Sox board you can post on that will look at that post and think it came from a Mensa member.
Chip Caray just said something he said last year in the playoffs too.
He said:
“JD Drew has Mickey Mantle power” That’s what someone told him.
What an insult to Mickey Mantle and sign of Chip’s unprofessionalism.
Something is not right today, omg.
omg what is this?
This is VERY embarrassing….Girardi better get on top of this.
What where they thinking out there? Johnny had that one.
I never thought I would hear a shout out to fangraphs by the yes commentators. only good thing to come out of this game.
can we just take fans out of the stands and have them play for us before one of our players dies…ive never seen anything like this?…..
lol @ Mkay and his OOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!
Now we’re killing each other.
Pena’s D in the majors has not been that good. I feel like he has made sloppy plays in a lot of games that they have given him a chance to play in. I don’t know if he tries to hard or what.
OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FINISH THIS GAME…I DON’T CARE IF WE WIN or LOSE, CAN WE COME OUT HEALTHY, I’d even take Jetes out right now.
Another error? Im out.
Wow, they could make an entire blooper reel out of this game.
Oh boys…haha it is almost funny at this point. 5-2 road trip all we can ask for. Hopefully we’re getting all of this out to play perfect defense against Tampa Bay!
Trenton is losing 5-4 in the bottom of the 6th. Nunez is 3-3 with 2 doubles.
100 pitches of fun…
September 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
This is VERY embarrassing….Girardi better get on top of this.
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Get on top of WHAT? A bad game on a getaway day at the end of a 5-2 road trip? Leave it to the LoHud blog to come up with problems that don’t exist.
Christina25 -
My guess is you forgot how many Red Sox brawls and disputes with other teams there have been in the last decade.
How many times the classless Sox head hunt.
The Jays shouldnt let us get away with an accidental hit.
But when Beckett feels powerless and he drills Mark Scooter in the head, the Jays should let the Sox get away with it, right?
Okay. they need to board the plane now. Right now. Forfeit the rest of the game. That was a close call. As it was, I saw the shadows, adn thought, uh-oh, that ball’s gonna drop. Well, thank goodness it did not, but I hope Damon & Melky are okay.
I stepped away for a couple minutes to empty my dryer and more runs for the BJs. Sheesh.
Christina25 on Bully Watch.
Do you sit patiently through every Yankee game until an opponent gets hit or do you have an alert service?
Either way, it’s cute.
This game can’t end soon enough. At least the core bullpen guys will be well rested for tomorrow.
Brandon Awesome “BECAUSE I’M AWESOME!”
September 6th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FINISH THIS GAME…I DON’T CARE IF WE WIN or LOSE, CAN WE COME OUT HEALTHY, I’d even take Jetes out right now.
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He is already out
Steve
90 minutes. That’s what I came up with. Amazing
Even at 1/2 second per, thats over 22 minutes.
Pay attention, Brandon. Pena replaced Jeter at the beginning of the bottom of the 6th.
OMG – I can’t believe what a game Tex is having today. He is always excellent. And Damon and Melky collide. I really think it is time to declare astro-turf illegal in MLB. Let’s just get this game over and go onto to tomorrow.
Hope Melky is OK. Is A-rod coming in???
This is how the team plays during a must win game?
Doesn’t bode well for how we will do in the playoffs if we play this poorly in a big regular season game.
I thought the Mets game was over
P.S. JD Dreew has never nor will ever be a stitch on Mickey Mantle’s jock strap.
I think the combination of the turf and the glaring sun is contributing to the poor defense. That, and a lack of focus because this is such a meaningless game. Sabathia and Burnett at home against the Rays should be a nice wakeup call tomorrow.
Please take Tex and Damon out of the game. We dont need any injuries with these guys playing drunk out there.
Remember when people were killing Girardi for using Bruney instead of Melancon?
Sometimes, the manager knows more than the fans.
6 walked in runners this year for a guy who has “impeccable” control.
No matter how many big bats you have in the lineup,baseball will always be a game of pitching.
It’s only 2 games,the Yankees split the series,they move on.
A cases can be made that Joe did these guys in today,with lousy pitching choices.
Surfer
September 6th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
This is how the team plays during a must win game?
Doesn’t bode well for how we will do in the playoffs if we play this poorly in a big regular season game.
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Funniest post of the year, bar none…
Hopefully Damon isn’t hurt we know how fragile he is….
Someone must have drank Jobu’s rum yesterday night.
Sui almost killed Swisher with the broken bat. Hopefully no one will leave this game on a stretcher.
If Girardi puts these Spring Training lineups (and pitchers) out there, what does he expect?
Ignore the Red Sox troll, pretty pathetic when you have no life other than to post inflammatory comments on an opposing team’s board during a long weekend.
whats wrong with melky — hung over?
Must win. Yep.
Put Cervelli in and let him play 1st base…
RalphieD (OPPC)
September 6th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
kinda pathetic how people are riding melancon…guys pitched 12 innings in his mlb career…yes im sure he has no future and will be sent down to rookie ball next year…sad, remember when roberston was stinking the place up and people sad he was garbage?…well look how that turned out..
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Unfortunately for Melancon, his command just isn’t there. In fact, it’s waaayyy off, which disqualifies all this naysaying about not being able to transfer his command in triple A to the majors. The kid is clearly squeezing the ball, being too, too careful, and then over throwing, etc.
He has the demeanor and arm to succeed in the majors, which is probably why we’re seeing him in these high leverage spots. But it might have been wiser to give him some lower leverage situations rather than this plunging him into inherited bases juiced nearly every time we see him.
It could be Girardi’s thought was he’s always a sinker away from getting two outs – which would be reasonable. Also, Girardi might be giving him a trial-by-fire audition just to see what he’s got under those circumstances.
The danger is, leaping to judgment based on these appearances; the Yankees would be biting off their nose to spite their face. When the opportunity presents itself – and why shouldn’t it with a very comfortable division lead and a need to give the A pen rest throughout the stretch drive – they need to give the ball to Melancon and get him comfortable, and then put him back in some high leverage spots and see what falls out.
Given the chance to gain some currency with the manager, and THEN being thrown into the lion’s den – I suspect the results would be very different.
Sawx gets their game back,and the Yankess will have 50 losses,courtesy of this game.
wow…look at that pinkie…thats nasty
please don’t show me Coney’s pinky
Go ahead Swish, stretch this out forever. Someone make an out an put us out of our misery.
this is the worst i’ve ever seen the yankees play. and melancon has shown nothing so far in his early career, too bad he’s not 21 years old.
Sega Dreamcast 9-9-09
Boston up by 3 and LA up by 5.
So the AL lead will be down to 7.5 and the home field chase down to 5 games.
Gotta give Swisher credit. He still gives a good at-bat. A lot of guys would swing away.
Well, looks like Gardner will be in action right away. I would sit Melky after that collision.
Why not warn the women and children before showing Coney’s pinkie? Nasty!
m, props to you for beating me to the punch by 4 minutes, though I suspect under easier posting conditions.
Christina25
September 6th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
The Yankee pitchers are the bullies of the league. I dont know who is worst. Jaba who leads the league in hitting players. Melancon who is a piece of crap or Towers the newest addition of punks. You bet the Toronto is going to get revenge. You just watch and see. Somebody from the Yankees is going to get hurt today. I wonder who? My money money is on Tex or Jeter.Maybe Tex or Jeter need to have a talk with those punks and tell them to knock it off. Jim Pir you have some nerve to even suggest that the Jays need to give a break after this type of hit.
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Boston pitchers aren’t innocent bystanders. They are a close 2nd in hitting batters. It’s unusual because they and Tampa are normally 1 and 2 in hitting batters. Your whining is beyond laughable.
m -
From the build-up by Kay, I thought the pinky was going to look worse. Not that it’s pretty, but I was expecting a lot worse.
Can you imagine of Christine and Jim Pir-one had babies?
Melancon was the best option there.
Girardi thought his stuff and command would be able to limit the damage that inning better than Towers, Gaudin, Dunn, Edwar, Albaladejo etc. would.
“Get on top of WHAT? A bad game on a getaway day at the end of a 5-2 road trip? Leave it to the LoHud blog to come up with problems that don’t exist.”
The defense hasn’t been good the last couple of days. Incase you just noticed…
100 pitches of fun…
September 6th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Hopefully Damon isn’t hurt we know how fragile he is….
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Don’t let Betsy hear you say that, or is it Erica? Anyway, one of them has Damon as her Make Believe Boy Friend, or something like that.
it looks like Cervelli is coming in, this lead will be gone within an inning, he is the secret weapon needed to turn this around.
Christina25 advocates hitting people and hurting Yankees players, lies about having an autistic son (sick) and does not get threatened to get banned.
I merely suggest that players show more effort against us than other teams, which others on this blog have made claims to before. And I’m threatened to get banned.
I literally want to take Teix out of this game.
Melancon’s first quote when he came back up was how he wanted to be on the postseason roster and vowed to make Girardi’s decision tough.
He obviously put too much pressure on himself to make a perfect pitch there rather than sacrifice an out for a run or something like that.
Nick in SF in Pacifica
Hi there. I saw your posts after the fact on the Jorge stuff.
Speaking of cute, the Sinatra link gave me a chuckle.
As to the matter, I have had that discussion with the poster in question, so my thoughts on that subject have been clearly stated. And if the reference to having a “blind” spot was to me, that isn’t so. Maybe just a soft spot
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What happened to Melky?
It’s nice that they’ve had a good road trip, but there is no excuse to play like this….none. It’s embarrassing…….and their D has not been that good lately, either.
The worst part is probably Melancon proving that he is not even close to being major league ready…
Nick,
Yeah. But if I had taken the time to double-clutch, I wouldn’t have made an error. The signal goes to the bat cave, not from.
Melky!
I guess Damon knocked some sense into Melky lol
Melky, you stat padder
I’m laughing so hard right now. 14-8 somehow seems like a manageable game again. Is that silly or what????
there’s our latin Trot Nixon
Thanks a lot, Melky. Now we’re going to see Brandon League.
Cito is desperate for a win..Another pitching change…
And I was right! In the middle of the inning to boot!
Christina25 is delusional. She is under the impression that the Red Sox are classy players and the Yankees are scumbags. Im under the belief that the Yankees are classy and the Red Sox are scumbags, which of course is the correct premise. (sans Randy Johnson and a few others)
Look at Rod Barajas running around to retrieve that ball like it’s a 1 run game. What effort. If only you showed the same effort with the bases loaded 1 out against Papelbon, you might not have lost 6 straight games to them.
Wow.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Can you imagine of Christine and Jim Pir-one had babies?
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You should get a lifetime ban and have your computer confiscated for that repulsive thought.
“I guess Damon knocked some sense into Melky lol”
LOL
no but srsly I’m praying no one gets hurt.
Down by only 6 with 3 innings left
Plenty of time
Bring in Aceves or Cokey.
Who or What takes the place of Cano at 2nd?
Molina to 3rd—>Hairston to 2nd?—-> Cervelli catches?
Hinske to 3rd—> “
The Melkman delivers againg!
I would so love to make a great comeback in this game, to shove it right in Cito’s and these Blue Jays players’ faces.
The team has been sloppy all 4 games in Toronto… they just managed to win 2 of them ugly.
The defense, the walks, giving back leads etc.
Just an ugly series. Thankfully we got a split.
You know what? They’re not trying to play poorly on purpose. It’s one of those games. Who knows? Maybe somewhere in their minds they’re already thinking about the trip home and the dh tomorrow. It’s human nature. Yes, they should be focused everyday. But sometimes, you have a day like today. Gotta shrug it off.
Just like in good games when things snowball, in bad games it happens, too.
m -
Did you hear how devastated Chip sounded when he said the Yankees have the best record in the league.
Jim,
LOL. I just looked up i-r-o-n-y, in the dictionary and they had your picture. I’m surprised, you look more Tom Brokaw than Cuckoo’s Nest Nicholson.
Farrow
September 6th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Melancon’s first quote when he came back up was how he wanted to be on the postseason roster and vowed to make Girardi’s decision tough.
He obviously put too much pressure on himself to make a perfect pitch there rather than sacrifice an out for a run or something like that.
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If the Yankees are smart, and they are, he will get many more chances.
He is clearly too tight to succeed right now without having established some firmer ground through more casual innings. Despite all the dismissive comments here, the Yankees aren’t closing the book on this boy. He’s highly regarded for a reason – and not because the Yankees can’t tell a genuine arm from one who succeeds in the relative environment of Triple A ball.
The people saying that here are without credit.
This is the worst baseball game I have ever seen.
All you can do is laugh,
jz, gaudin and mitre have started 2, what do you expect, chill.
with this team you never know. 6 runs?
doable.
on the wild pitch before i was thinking that ball was a little lively.
i guess melky got another one of those with flubber in it.
jim pir -one probably thinks the blue jays got their lively balls mixed up and sent some out to when the yankees hit.
i really shouldn’t give him ideas.
Jim,
Sorry, someone turned it to “Arthur” on PBS>
“Plenty of time
Bring in Aceves or Cokey.”
have you seen how this game is going…um.. no. Towers can go from now on. All we want is to still be healthy after this game.
Joe G going to the playoff lineup this inning
I’d start Towers next week instead of Mitre.
Why not put Towers, Albaladejo, Edwar in the outfield?
I’m guessing that Girardi doesn’t wanna comeback to win today. hmmmm….
God Melancon sucks. He looks another freaking Coke. I am so sick of the Yankees over-evaluating these pitching prospects.
rays just blew another game, inge grand slam in 9th. 5-3 tigers.
“jz, gaudin and mitre have started 2, what do you expect, chill.”
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The Yanks actually won the game that Gaudin started.
Trenton’s post season is on life support. The lost 6-4 and Nunez went 4-4 with a pair of doubles.
Inge just hit a grand slam off of the Rays reliever in the 9th. To go ahead 5-3. The Rays don’t have to treat tomorrows double header as must win games. They are cooked..
GB7 -
I thought they had to win 3 of 4 to get to the playoffs? Or is it that if they win tomorrow, there’s a tie and a one-game playoff?
M, THAT came because of the comparison of Joba and Hughes earlier in the posts. I am an A-1 Joba fan, if you didn’t guess and I really do get tired of the Joba nay-sayers. Phil is very good and I give him credit for that, and so is Joba but unfortunately not at the same time. What did Damon say about or to Phil earlier in the season about his pitching ?
Ken September 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
God Bowden sucks. He looks another freaking Tazawa. I am so sick of the Sox over-evaluating these pitching prospects.
Gaudin + Joba rules + Mitre + Double header = bullpen killer
Does anyone get the feeling Chip Caray hates the Yankees ( or all things NY perhaps just like his father Skip did?)
I was hoping that Jason Hirsh would get a callup, but, he turned his ankle last night. Not likely to get the call, this year.
This was a pretty entertaining thread to read today.
Ed – campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Gaudin)
September 6th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I’m guessing that Girardi doesn’t wanna comeback to win today. hmmmm….
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I’m guessing you remember we have a double header in the Bronx tomorrow. Hmmm…
that was a swing?
“have you seen how this game is going…um.. no. Towers can go from now on. All we want is to still be healthy after this game.”
most likely Towers will be DFA’d after today
Brandon League’s a classy guy. He shouldnt hit any of our guys.
he didn’t go.
GB I told you that Nunez kid is going to be special
Double header = bullpen killer
Not when you CC goin the first game
and hopefully Burnett pitches well.
lol, Jeter Joba.
Just kidding. It kind of came out of left field as that seemed a long time ago.
The newest topic is who becomes the setup guy next year when Hughes goes to the rotation.
And don’t mention Damon to me. His comment makes my blood boil. Especially, since Phil had the keystone cops defense behind him that day, like Mitre had today.
JT, do you actually watch baseball games or know anything? CC pitches the afternoon game tomorrow, he’ll go at least 7, probably more. AJ pitches the evening game, if he’s on it’s another 7 innings. No pitcher was burned out today who matters, they have everyone they need available tomorrow.
“I’m guessing you remember we have a double header in the Bronx tomorrow. Hmmm…”
uh huh, I wasn’t being serious anyways
Mitre’s era is over 7,I hope the experiment is over.
Ken -
There is no feeling. It’s just fact.
Chip might as well say “I’m a Red Sox fan” or “I hate the Yankees”
But Chip wouldnt consider to show an ounce of professionalism.
Ken,
Jim and I were talking about it all thread.
Wouldn’t it make sense that Chip grew up a Braves fan? And that he would hate the Yankees for years of WS futility at the hands of the Yankees?
“most likely Towers will be DFA’d after today”
exactly that’s why no one else needs to pitch today, sloppy game, Mitre was bad, Towers is right now doing what that Billy Traber did for BOS when they played us & knew it was over w/ tomorrow being the main focus.
Today turns out to be a throw away game……Just gave good AB’s and pad your stats….
Doreen
September 6th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
GB7 -
I thought they had to win 3 of 4 to get to the playoffs? Or is it that if they win tomorrow, there’s a tie and a one-game playoff?
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Alas, Doreen, they’re officially out…
Doreen
September 6th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
GB7 -
I thought they had to win 3 of 4 to get to the playoffs? Or is it that if they win tomorrow, there’s a tie and a one-game playoff?
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You’re correct, Doreen. Trenton needed to win both today and tomorrow. The machine has been unplugged.
Don’t tell Randy that I made a mistake. He thinks that I’m always perfect.
Brandon seems like a classy name. The Red Sox I think have only had 3 guys in their history named Brandon, if you count
Brandon Arroyo.
I think we should all text in that Swisher is the player of the game.
“Mitre’s era is over 7,I hope the experiment is over.”
nick in sf jinxed him with all those high expectations of getting under a 6.00 era .
bodhi, I prefer loving the sinner and hating the sin to mixed-up analogies about singers and songs.
I only wish your words of specific council and general distain were more effective. But no matter, it’s all just chatter here.
“exactly that’s why no one else needs to pitch today, sloppy game, Mitre was bad, Towers is right now doing what that Billy Traber did for BOS when they played us & knew it was over w/ tomorrow being the main focus.”
any idea on who should be call up if Towers will be DFA?
“Mitre’s era is over 7,I hope the experiment is over.”
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Well, I’m no Mitre defender – I don’t think he has MLB quality stuff – but, the poor defense is responsible for much of that.
GB7 -
Shucks. I was hoping I’d missed something.
Too bad for Trenton, but truthfully, they didn’t have a great season.
Brandon Awesome “BECAUSE I’M AWESOME!”
September 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
he didn’t go.
GB I told you that Nunez kid is going to be special
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Nunez can hit pretty well, but, he can’t keep going to Scrap-Iron-R-Us to get his glove repaired.
Molina lookin better at first than Tex this game
They don’t have to DFA anyone, right? Expanded rosters.
Kay saying Towers didn’t do that bad in relief. Tell that to Mitre.
Damon’s comments make your blood boil???
Talk about ingratitude! I thought you were a Phil Phan, m.
Damon took a kid who was about as soft as melted molasses and saved his career.
Thank you, Johnny Damon — again!
Yankees had 12 hits and converted them to 8 runs.
Toronto has 15 hits,and converted them to 14 runs.
Doreen -
Did one of the NYY farm teams start the season 10-0 or seomthing like that?
Nick in SF in Pacifica
September 6th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
bodhi, I prefer loving the sinner and hating the sin to mixed-up analogies about singers and songs.
I only wish your words of specific council and general distain were more effective. But no matter, it’s all just chatter here.
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Hmm..to each his own, but I prefer the secular. Better to keep the fire and brimstone out of it
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DJ have 2 hits today or 3?
Doreen
September 6th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
GB7 -
Shucks. I was hoping I’d missed something. Too bad for Trenton, but truthfully, they didn’t have a great season.
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From June on, much of their offense was based on what Montero and Vazquez provided. When they were lost for the season, the offense disappeared. They would have been in with either of them, much less both.
Nick,
Damon saved Phil’s career? Whatever makes you sleep better at night.
“Nunez can hit pretty well, but, he can’t keep going to Scrap-Iron-R-Us to get his glove repaired.”
There once was a SS that made 50+ errors in minor league ball, he turned out pretty well
Nunez is quick paced, soon he’ll slow down the game on the defense, most his errors come from his speed.
Doreen
September 6th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
They don’t have to DFA anyone, right? Expanded rosters.
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No need to DFA anyone, as long as they are on the 40 man roster. If they aren’t they’d have to remove a player.
Thankfully this one is over.
Its over thank you lord
Brandon Awesome “BECAUSE I’M AWESOME!”
September 6th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
“Nunez can hit pretty well, but, he can’t keep going to Scrap-Iron-R-Us to get his glove repaired.”
There once was a SS that made 50+ errors in minor league ball, he turned out pretty well
Nunez is quick paced, soon he’ll slow down the game on the defense, most his errors come from his speed.
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His errors are both fielding and throwing, about 50/50. Speed has nothing to do with it. Luis Nunez is a better fielder than Eduardo.
A bow? No, I think they need to put a “twist-tie” on it.
Wouldn’t it make sense that Chip grew up a Braves fan? And that he would hate the Yankees for years of WS futility at the hands of the Yankees?
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What’s Joe Buck’s excuse for hating the Yankees, as a Cardinals fan.
And what is his excuse for rooting for the Red Sox over the Cardinals in 2004.
I’m not looking for a response, it’s pretty obvious Joe’s just a Red Sox fan who didnt follow in his legendary father’s footsteps.
Well. Thank goodness that’s over.
Let’s hope the team is sufficiently embarrassed by the effort that they’ll redeem themselves tomorrow.
Enjoy the rest of your Sunday, folks.
You can only do so much when Sergio Mitre is starting. Not a clean game, but New York still scored eight runs.
Chisox-0 Sawx-3 top of the 8th
I don’t even drink,but I NEED A DRINK!!
m, Phil was drowning in a sea of gooey softness. He needed some tough love and he got it. I don’t blame you for not seeing — the maternal instict is not my forte, obviously.
bodhi: no need for a theological dispute, I just like cleaner analogies. But you and I are in agreement about Jorge and also about his critics and that’s what really matters here.
Oh no the great Billy Wagner!
lol @ Wags
Chip Caray just said in an excited giggly voice “What has Billy Wagner done in his 3 American League Innings? 7 strikeouts”
Then he said, what an amazing comeback from Tommy John surgery.
How many people have come back from Tommy John surgery?
Has Billy Wagner proved anything since coming back from TJ surgery yet?
Then, the home run, he says the shutout gone, rather than saying the White Sox are right back in the game.
nice crisp effrot. the defensive was especially sharp today.
melancon has a chance but he is not up to the taks yet, the interesting thing is in the minors he threw only strikes but he is not doing that yet..
wagner just gave up a monster jack, that is the wagner we know and love…..
overall the yanks played terrbiel today. gardner back Monday that will help his speed and energy…
Jim Pir-one
Why are you telling us this?
Nick,
I’m not having this conversation with you again.
And good mothers scold their children in private. Embarrassing your child in front of others is a fruitless endeavor.
GB7 -
True. Losing Montero and Vazquez hurt.
Jim -
SWB had a great start to their season, but I don’t remember exactly what their record was to start the season. 10-0 sounds close.
Chip Caray just said “Say Cheese Paul” because Daniel Bard blew a fastball by Konerko to end the inning. I couldnt make this unprofessionalism up.
http://johnnydamon.com/
lmao
“His errors are both fielding and throwing, about 50/50. Speed has nothing to do with it. Luis Nunez is a better fielder than Eduardo.”
actually speed is the reason he does those errors. I think Oppenheimer even pointed that out. He’s so quick to the balls he gets to and will rush things on the field, he has one of the strongest arms for a SS in minor league ball, has great range, he just rushes in execution.
Yes, m, but your are the good mother, not Johnny Damon.
Mothers scold their children. Johnny Damon inspired a man.
Chip Caray just compared Jon Papelbon to Mariano Rivera. He said Jon Pap has not given up a run in the ALDS, ALCS, or World Series. Much like Mariano Rivera.
Eck had to be the voice of reason, saying Mariano has done it for many years. Hard to believe Eck could say something unbiased.
Mel, I don’t think Damon had a whit to do with Hughes. Just thought I’d stick my nose in.
Nick, I don’t understand why you are so obssessive about this Posada thing. I think you have it wrong by the way(you know others do also because you’ve seen enough controversy about it) but you don’t see me mentioning your view as being “wrong” add nauseum. Why can’t people just have differing opinions and let it lie? Geesh.
I think Sergio Mitre is very handsome.
Mitre did throw the ball pretty well. We’re at the end of a road trip, and know we have to double dip tomorrow, which probably makes you more tired.
Tiredness + turf = messy.
Nice to see Girardi defend Melancon in post game: “He’s better than that.”
Yes, he is.
Brandon Awesome “BECAUSE I’M AWESOME!”
September 6th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
“His errors are both fielding and throwing, about 50/50. Speed has nothing to do with it. Luis Nunez is a better fielder than Eduardo.”
actually speed is the reason he does those errors. I think Oppenheimer even pointed that out. He’s so quick to the balls he gets to and will rush things on the field, he has one of the strongest arms for a SS in minor league ball, has great range, he just rushes in execution.
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He’s still a bad defensive shortstop, and, he’s not improving from year to year….30+ errors in 4 years. Luis Nunez is much better and he hits fairly well. Eduardo is an outfielder in waiting. Not sure what Pena is.
Mitre handled his post-game interview well. I like the guy. He is handsome, too. He wasn’t great today, but he did deserve better. He pitched 8 innings in 4 innings worth of time.
Hey Bodhi!
Nice to see Joe defend Mitre also. Joe looks for things in his pitchers that many fans don’t bothering looking for in a game, like progress between games, etc.
I think Girardi is one hell of a manager.
Who gives a flying crap what Chip Carey says about the stupid Red Sox.
Nobody on earth cares about this nonsense outside of Jim.
Let it go, already. If you don’t want people to think you’re crazy, stop doing crazy things and persisting on matters regarding the Red Sox.
so, according to Jim Pir-one (his/her IQ, I suppose):
1. The media is biased towards the Red Sox
2. Other teams lie down for the Sox and play as hard as they can against the Yankees
3. Everything else that could possibly be said that shows any advantage to the Sox over the Yankees
And still the Yankees are 7.5 or 8.5 games ahead of the Sox. I guess if things were fair the lead would be 40 games.
Trisha: I didn’t bring up anything to do with Jorge Posada, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
September 6th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Mitre did throw the ball pretty well. We’re at the end of a road trip, and know we have to double dip tomorrow, which probably makes you more tired.
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“Double Dip”. There’s blast from the past. A phrase lost in the past….like, “He really corked that one.” That has a different meaning now-a-days.
Giuseppe Franco September 6th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
“Who gives a flying crap what Chip Carey says about the stupid Red Sox.”
Agreed. Jim, you don’t need to provide Red Sox updates that no one asked for.
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Doreen September 6th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
“Mitre handled his post-game interview well. I like the guy. He is handsome, too. He wasn’t great today, but he did deserve better. He pitched 8 innings in 4 innings worth of time.”
Coincidentally enough, my mom thought Mitre was handsome at first sight…she likes his small, flat nose.
Hi Trisha and Bodhi,
I liked Girardi’s post game comments also.
Nancy Newman is having a tough time today tripping over her words.
I dont care what Chip Caray says. I certainly am not going to lose sleep over it.
I just think many things that are said by the media are amusing, and I share it with the rest of you so you can get a laugh.
Nobody can say that they wouldnt laugh at a guy who compares JD Drew to Mickey Mantle or Jon Pap to Mariano Rivera.
Maybe I misunderstood your references to Bodhi. I thought you were referring to me with respect to Jorge’s biggest critic and Bodhi trying to set me straight about it. You weren’t?
Hi Fran!!!
Weather forecast for next Saturday is for rain here. Can you believe it?!?
I waited out the postgame (had a b-day party this afternoon) and now it’s off to Home Goods…
Grr!
-JIM
Cardinal fans hate the money the Yankees spend.They want a salary cap like football.The reason he rooted for the Sawx in 2oo4 was because,they bought into the meme that ALL YANKEE HATERS DO,that the Yankees were always beating upon the poor Sawx.
When the Sawx came and swept them in the WS,they now woke up and Hate the Sawx too,with a passion,really.(it had been at that time 22 yrs since their last win.)It took 2 more years,2006,which made it 24yrs since their last win.
I have this reminder for my Cardinal friends yearly,telling them becareful what you wish for.
You will never ever find a Cardinal fan with anything good to say about the Yankees.
The only thing they hate mote is George Steinbrenner.He supposedly bad for baseball,because he raises the prices for all the other teams,by offering more money for a player that other teams can afford.
I just had this nonsense rattled to me again Friday.When I got through with them,they were speechless.
In 2004 the Cards had the best record in baseball,and was thinking they ruled the baseball world,until the JUICED UP Sawx,came to town.
Fran, isn’t Sergio Mitre a handsome guy!
Fran, isn’t Sergio Mitre a handsome guy!
Jim,
Coming from someone else, it might be amusing. But it’s simply irritating coming from you.
Why?
Because nobody else on this board has the reputation for Red Sox paranoia and conspiracy theories they way you do.
Like we’ve said many times, you’ve earned that. And it appears you have no intention of changing people’s perception of you even though you take offense to people calling you a nutjob.
Trisha, he certainly is. And the weather can still change for next Saturday. Don’t worry.
GreenBeret7,
Jeter…
1992 GCL & A = 21 errors
1993 A = 56 errors
1994 A+, AA, AAA = 25 errors
1995 AAA = 29 errors
Nunez has the arm and range to play SS.
Nick, I meant the comments from yesterday and continuing references today.
Doreen
September 6th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Nancy Newman is having a tough time today tripping over her words.
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I still prefer her over the other. Easier to look at and better voice.
Fran, thanks! I sure hope so. It has been beautiful for the last week and half and is supposed to continue that way all week.
all this talk about Mitre being handsome by Trisha and Doreen is rank sexism.
Let’s just forget my Red Sox talk.
The Rays should be coming in tomorrow devastated by their loss today.
Doesnt Tampa have one of the top 2 bullpens in the league ERA wise.
Trisha, yes, I was referring to you, but I didn’t initiate any Posadagate discussions today. I’m on my blackberry in Pacifica right now, so I’m trying to keep my comments simple.
JT
September 6th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
GreenBeret7,
Jeter…
1992 GCL & A = 21 errors
1993 A = 56 errors
1994 A+, AA, AAA = 25 errors
1995 AAA = 29 errors
Nunez has the arm and range to play SS.
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Like I said, Eduardo Nunez shows to improvement from year to year. A fielding percentage of .932 is ugly whether you like that stat or not. That’s 156 errors in 5 years. Those are numbers for shortstops from 1908 when that was considered HOF numbers.
Stevie, I don’t think of it as sexism to notice that someone is handsome. If I were discussing him like he were nothing more than a sex object, then maybe you’d have a point. The guy has a nice face. Just an observation.
Correction: Like I said, Eduardo Nunez shows ***no*** improvement from year to year
trisha – OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees
September 6th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Hey Bodhi!
Nice to see Joe defend Mitre also. Joe looks for things in his pitchers that many fans don’t bothering looking for in a game, like progress between games, etc.
I think Girardi is one hell of a manager.
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You rocked the poem, BTW. LMAO!
Joe is a build-up, not a tear-down, manager. Not only does that make him a nice human being, it makes him a smart manager. Maybe Joe’s read ‘The Secret Life of Water.’
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My sauce is smokin’ good. I’m in search of some artisanal ravioli (I have no time to make THAT from scratch, besides I know a lovely Italian woman in North Jersey who hand makes a spinach cheese with semolina flour that is exquisite. She comes to her door with flour all over her smock and face, two rosy cheeks and shiny blue eyes. She’s got to be in her late 70s, but her skin is flawless and she is tireless and spirited).
Murphydog, my childhood was filled with those same smells – my Sicilian grandmother (mother’s side) lived with us – she used pork in her sauce, too, and removed it, as per yours, & she also laid dough under the bedspreads all over the house to help it rise, and the whole house had the sweet aroma of rising dough, patiently waiting to assume a pizza or pasta…
My Dad, 3rd generation whose family is from Lucca and Genoa, cooked with my grandmother on weekends (my mother couldn’t believe her luck, and happily fled from the kitchen) and they used both regions to passionately yet harmoniously create the most unbelievable italian food I have ever eaten. All through my growing up years, people tried to wriggle invitations to our house….
Of course, now that I’m vegetarian, I just have to taste the ether of those memories.
GB7
I thought Nancy was getting much more comfortable in the job this year. Just a tough day for her today.
I am almost never impressed with anyone’s post-game interviewing skills. The questions are mostly unilluminating. Though I do understand there’s only so much to ask, and so much to tell. If you watched a game for yourself, there’s not much left to know.
Trish, you dirty old cougar, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Green Barett,
I hate pitchers hitting players but you know what? If your pitcher hits somebody in the face somebody has to do to something to defend his teamate. Girardi got scared and took out Jeter and Tex. The Toronto will take their time but there is no doubt that somebody from the Yankees is going to get hit. They may wait until the last game of the season but it will get done. Unless Girardi decides to keep out Tex, Arod or Jeter next time they face them they will get revenge. Nobody hits somebody on the face and get away with it.
Nick, but you did yesterday!
I just don’t understand your strong and continuing references to this stuff. I disagree with your take on it to the same degree that you disagree with mine. So what!
It’s all good so let’s leave it that way! If I change my mind I will let you know. But as Cone noted, Posada brings great offense, Molina and Cervelli better defense. I can live with that. You should be able to also. Again, it’s all good.
GreenBeret7,
They might as well keep running Corona, Pirela & Nunez out there at SS to see if 1 can stick @ the position.
The regular bullpen has not been abused. There were two games in toronto were just the september callups were being used.
Melancon is going to be a very good reliever he will cut down the walks. David Robertson did the same thing in Minnesota this year and people wanted to send him down and now he is turning out to be one of the yankees better bullpen arms.
“Trish, you dirty old cougar, you should be ashamed of yourself.”
For noting someone has a nice face. I think not. I’m a pretty clean-living kid so I hardly feel ashamed. But thanks for trying!
Doreen
September 6th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
GB7
I thought Nancy was getting much more comfortable in the job this year. Just a tough day for her today.
I am almost never impressed with anyone’s post-game interviewing skills. The questions are mostly unilluminating. Though I do understand there’s only so much to ask, and so much to tell. If you watched a game for yourself, there’s not much left to know.
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I’m not overly impressed by the other ones questions, either. One hardly asks anything riveting and the other seems more intent on getting some constroversy started and seems annoyed enough that players won’t bite that she repeats it or takes it to another player.
Newman does a great job on the studio and Yankee Magazine shows….not so much on the post game highlites. She does have no problem laughing at her flubs, though.
The Yanks have two games tomorrow and they were down by 9 runs at one point.
Girardi probably took Teixeira and Jeter out for the same reason any team would take out their best players in that situation, especially with the expanded roster.
Christina25 -
You are delusional.
Somebody hits someone in the head and gets away with it. His name is Josh Beckett. or Pedro Martinez or Julian tavares.
Joba Chamberlain right now is a 100 pitch 5 inning guy because he has no control. Melancon has showed no control.
Ya know who else has not control. Tim Wakefield, does that mean he is a headhunter.
Josh Beckett and Pedro had pinpoint control. Get your facts straight.
Fran (the original) and OPPC member
September 6th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Hi Trisha and Bodhi,
I liked Girardi’s post game comments also.
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Hey Fran,
Now watching the Joe Girardi show before I bolt out of here in search of supper.
I’m 95 percent happy w/Joe. The other 5 percent doesn’t come into play very often, and it has nothing to do with his personality, which is terrific and great for this club.
Bod, I’m in the midst of making a large pot of gravy, and I use pork ( ribs, sausage, pigs feet ) as well……At the end I’ll throw in a doxen or so meatballs……My Grandmother was from Florence….
Bod and Murphydog, some day I will have to tell you about my grandmother’s recipe for spareribs and cabbage. (We called it “cut-zer-la” – not sure of the Italian spelling.) My roots are central and northern Italian so I’m sure there is some of the German influence in the dish. Absolutely fabulous.
Later all.
You know Trisha, men don’t appreciate being undressed by a pair of leering eyes. We’re not meat, ya know.
Christina25
September 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Green Barett,
I hate pitchers hitting players but you know what? If your pitcher hits somebody in the face somebody has to do to something to defend his teamate. Girardi got scared and took out Jeter and Tex. The Toronto will take their time but there is no doubt that somebody from the Yankees is going to get hit. They may wait until the last game of the season but it will get done. Unless Girardi decides to keep out Tex, Arod or Jeter next time they face them they will get revenge. Nobody hits somebody on the face and get away with it.
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You dimwitted gerbil. That pitch wasn’t intentional. The ball moved nearly 3 feet. Take your stupidity to someplace in need of laughs…like Boston. I hear they are in desperate need of something besides watching the Red Sox play out the string.
Bodhi,
All your talk about the sauce and ravioli made me hungry!
Pat M – you better pick your “gift” soon or I will just have to send you a few bottles of Buddy Cianci’s tomatoe sauce!!!
“You know Trisha, men don’t appreciate being undressed by a pair of leering eyes. We’re not meat, ya know.”
I assume you’re kidding. If not, it was the face I looked it. I don’t undress men with leering eyes. I actually consider that a little trashy – which I am not. You’ll just have to take my word for it.
Bye now!
Trisha, I do not have the tools to get deeply into this right now, nor do I want to. I was curious about something in respect to bodhi after he again made his opinion clear in the strongest terms, so I asked him about it.
Your views on the subject are clear. I suspect that if you ceased bringing up the subject in the various ways you often do (and ceased taking the bait when others refer to the subject) a good portion of the chatter will die down. But you can say whatever you want.
Trisha, I’m not kidding.
I think the way the women on this blog openly drool over the Yankees, like Damon, it’s dehumanizing.
Dimwitted gerbil…………..GB, You are the best
Stevie September 6th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Trisha, I’m not kidding.
I think the way the women on this blog openly drool over the Yankees, like Damon, it’s dehumanizing.
Its all in good-fun.
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Stevie, When I played I used to love that attention….Oh those were good days
Pat M.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Bod, I’m in the midst of making a large pot of gravy, and I use pork ( ribs, sausage, pigs feet ) as well……At the end I’ll throw in a doxen or so meatballs……My Grandmother was from Florence….
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My Dad would be the first at your table, lol. These Italian grandmothers are immortal in their influence, eh?
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trisha – OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees
September 6th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Bod and Murphydog, some day I will have to tell you about my grandmother’s recipe for spareribs and cabbage. (We called it “cut-zer-la” – not sure of the Italian spelling.) My roots are central and northern Italian so I’m sure there is some of the German influence in the dish. Absolutely fabulous.
Later all.
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I would think the savory of the ribs and the sweet cabbage would be a definite winner!
My Dad has sworn we are also Etruscan, lol. He knows a great deal about German cooking, too, because he spent much time there during the war. A very close friend of mine, Italian, visits his ex-wife (mother of his children) in Berlin for months on end. He comes back rhapsodizing to me about the cheeses and white asparagus over there.
“I’ve had white asparagus,” I tell him.
“No – you haven’t,” he assures me.
LOL.
Fran: I’m getting hungry, too! See you all later.
GG tonight.
poor Mitre…
and stupid pool table turf