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The magic number is . . .

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 07, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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And hello to you, Edward Charles Ford.

The Yankees (89-50) lead the Red Sox (79-58) by nine games. The magic number to clinch home field throughout the playoff is 19.

The Yankees are on a pace to win 104 games. Not even the most optimistic fan thought that.

Thanks to everybody for reading today. Can’t believe we had nearly 1,400 comments on a holiday.

 
 

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204 Responses to “The magic number is . . .”

  1. Terry from NH September 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    I love being a Yankee fan in Sox Nation!!…

  2. Erica - always OPPC September 7th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    The Yankees sweeping a double header on Labor Day.

    There is something so completely poetic about that

  3. Carl September 7th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Chea!!!!!!

  4. RalphieD (OPPC) September 7th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    i feel real happy for dunn…its nice that he got those 2 k’s and is able to walk away feeling good…

  5. Rob B (Officially on the Jeter for MVP bandwagon) September 7th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Almost as important as a win (or perhaps more?).

    AJ Burnett had a great game. He recovered from a rocky 1st inning to pitch a gem. His fastball location was back to where it needs to be. Hopefully he goes on a 2 month tear.

  6. Midtown Mike September 7th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Real Magic Number is 11….these last four months sure have been fun!

  7. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Where’s my postgame???

    :(

  8. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    YES is showing some Frank Gifford CenterStage. Hope they switch over soon!

  9. rb September 7th, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    From last thread:

    Rob B (Officially on the Jeter for MVP bandwagon) September 7th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    By the way, anybody still complaining about both Hughes and Mo being used in the day game?

    This is why you can’t get all bent out of shape about not saving guys. You use them when you need them and see what happens. Turns out we didn’t need either one.
    ————

    Absolutely. I even joked about a blowout win in game 2 in the game 1 thread. They have to play one game at a time, and can’t plan for the eventuality that MAYBE they would need Hughes & Mo in game 2.

  10. pat September 7th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    I didn’t connect the dots on this one.

    “TylerKepner Last time the Yankees saw Jeff Bennett, they beat him up in Atlanta in June. Then he punched a wall and broke his hand and got released.”
    about 2 hours ago from web

  11. Mike September 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Price vs. Gaudin tomorrow

    Expect the game to end at around 11.

  12. MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    So should we still force A.J. to work with Posada?

    How much more needs to be seen?

    This shouldn’t be about whose “fault” it is… This shouldn’t be about who deserves “blame.”

    And it certainly shouldn’t be about “Posada is the starting catcher and A.J. needs to deal with that.”

    Are we trying to punish Burnett and do what’s best for this team?

    I vote for the latter, and Burnett is a COMPLETELY different pitcher when Posada isn’t behind the plate.

  13. blackaccord September 7th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    clinching the division by sep 20th would give the team atleast 2 weeks of rest…also gives joe lots of time to pick the roster..

  14. MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 7th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    Typo last post…

    Sentence should have been: Are we trying to punish Burnett OR do what’s best for the team?

    Again, I vote for the latter.

  15. GreenBeret7 September 7th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Pat M.
    September 7th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
    Man Dunn has a live arm…..Needs control work….Good pop on his heater though….

    ————————————————————

    He also has the makings of a really good slider. His problem is the same thing that gets to Bruney…..control. Imagine those two with control, coming in to the game in the 7th and 8th innings?

  16. JZ September 7th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    The most important part of today’s game is AJ, and he pitches OK. Good sign.

  17. JeterJobaCanoFanForever, enough said September 7th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    I beg to differ, Pete. I have a bet with a friend that the Yankees would win 100 games and added to that bet that they would win the WS. We made that bet in late April. Me in bravado and he in friendship. Yankees look unbeatable and it is so wonderful to see all the smiling faces in the dugout.

  18. BBFan September 7th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    “Miguel Cabrera and Kendry Morales have the same numbers with higher averages and less offensive help for a large part of the season.”

    GB, that is not entirely correct.

    Cabrera has 28 HRs and 82 RBIs, well below Tex numbers. And, Tex defense is much better.

    Regarding Morales, his numbers are a little better, still below Tex’s.

  19. Giuseppe Franco September 7th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    So should we still force A.J. to work with Posada?

    ————

    Do you have any common sense whatsoever?

    It’s not about Molina. And it wouldn’t matter one iota even if it was because Posada is catching Burnett in the postseason.

    Funny how nobody complained about Burnett’s issues with Posada when he was mowing down hitters for two months and Posada caught most of those games, including his biggest game of the season against Beckett and the Red Sox at the Stadium.

  20. MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 7th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    Baseball is judged over the LONG haul.

    Look at the numbers for Burnett WITH Posada and WITHOUT Posada… There are PLENTY of innings ecah way, and it’s NOT CLOSE!

    And his last four starts??? Two with Posada: HORRIBLE! Two without: AMAZING!

  21. Abdababdaserser September 7th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    GF, there is no arguing with some people, they only think in one manner, regardless of facts or anything else.

  22. Pel September 7th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    YES post-game Booth Report with Nancy Newman, Michael Kay, and John Flaherty:

    http://www.zshare.net/audio/6523663617d9afa0/

  23. Alias September 7th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    ” Imagine those two with control, coming in to the game in the 7th and 8th innings?”

    Don’t forget about Robertson.

  24. Betsy September 7th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Sigh……more inanane babble about AJ and Jorge. They get along very well and there is not a rift. AJ was in a slump, period – just like every pitcher goes through. AJ had a great two months pitching to Jorge and do folks remember that?

    Whatever – AJ and Jorge will be a fine battery in the playoffs. For me, I’m just happy that he pitched well tonight.

  25. haiku-man September 7th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Sonnanstine went 2.2 innings,gave up 8 runs,and has a 7.23 era.

    Even though the Rays have no chance of over taking the Sawx,I hate the Yankees having helped the Sawx at all.

    I hope they cover AJ in pies,he has it coming.

    AJ broke through his slump before Beckett,who is still a mess.

  26. Giuseppe Franco September 7th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 7th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    Baseball is judged over the LONG haul.

    Look at the numbers for Burnett WITH Posada and WITHOUT Posada… There are PLENTY of innings ecah way, and it’s NOT CLOSE!

    And his last four starts??? Two

    —————

    Read Feinsand’s post about this very issue from Aug 23rd.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....tt-po.html

    You’ll have to excuse me for not getting too wrapped up in the A.J. Burnett/Jorge Posada situation. I simply don’t buy the whole conflict as being that big of a deal.

    Pitchers and catchers go through this kind of thing. It may seem like Posada goes through this a lot, but he also has his fair share of success with pitchers – evidenced by the enormous number of wins he’s caught.

    Have Posada and Burnett struggled to get on the same page over their last three starts? Yes. They’ve admitted as much. But Burnett was 8-3 with a 2.84 ERA in the 11 starts before Saturday’s disaster, and believe it or not, Posada was behind the plate for 10 of those games.

    Aug. 17 at Oakland: 8 IP, 3 ER (Posada)
    Aug. 12 vs. Toronto: 6 IP, 3 ER (Posada)
    Aug. 7 vs. Boston: 7 2/3 IP, 0 ER (Posada)
    Aug. 1 at Chicago: 4 2/3 IP, 7 ER (Posada)
    July 27 at Tampa Bay: 7 IP, 0 ER (Posada)
    July 22 vs. Baltimore: 7 IP, 2 ER (Posada)
    July 17 vs. Detroit: 6 IP, 3 ER (Posada)
    July 8 at Minnesota: 6 1/3 IP, 2 ER (Posada)
    July 3 vs. Toronto: 7 IP, 2 ER (Cervelli)
    June 27 at Mets: 7 IP, 0 ER (Posada)
    June 20 at Florida: 6 1/3 IP, 1 ER (Posada)

    After their game in Florida on June 20, both Burnett and Posada praised each other, talking about how well they had worked together.

    “He did a great job tonight,” Burnett said. “Everybody’s been up and down about when we throw together and work together, but we were on the same page. I didn’t shake him all night, he threw two guys out tonight; I told him, ‘You did an exceptional job.’”

    —————-

    Don’t let facts get in the way of your nonsense.

  27. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE – You’re not alone in your thinking. But people who disagree can’t help but make it personal so do yourself a favor and ignore their comments. Just know others here agree with you. It is not worth fighting with people who call you names.

  28. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus September 7th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    To put 104 in perspective, this would be the Yankees’ 2nd best season since the 1970s, trailing only 1998.

    The last time this team won 105 games–which is not entirely out of the question–outside of 1998 was 1961.

    You are watching a special team.

    The question will fast become, is it a special year? Or is it something more?

  29. MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 7th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    8/22 with Posada: 5 IP, 9 H, 9 ER, 2 BB, 6K.

    8/27 with Molina: 6 IP, 2 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 12K.

    8/29 with Posada: 5.1 IP, 11 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 2K.

    9/7 with Molina: 6 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 8K.

    And again, the OVERALL numbers are VERY clear. Even Peter, who ranks as the greatest of Posada defenders, admits there IS an issue.

  30. Betsy September 7th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    Anyway, great DH for the Yankees……very well played two games.

  31. Carl September 7th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    Thanks Pel!

  32. randy l. September 7th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    “So should we still force A.J. to work with Posada?”

    umm, we don’t actually get to influence who plays and who doesn’t.

    i think there’s one person who does that and it’s girardi who knows as much about catching as anyone on the planet.

    i think girardi has made his decision pretty clear by who he’s written in the lineup all year.

    if you don’t like girardi’s decisions about catching, just say so because he’s the one making the decision on who’s catching and he almost always had posada in there.

  33. MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 7th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    @ Trisha:

    Agreed, and thank you.

  34. Pel September 7th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Girardi’s YES post-game reaction:

    http://www.zshare.net/audio/652368467ffc7b3b/

  35. GreenBeret7 September 7th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    If Molina was any kind of team player, he would have given Jeter 2 of his hits.

  36. JeterJobaCanoFanForever, enough said September 7th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    P E O P L E : The Yankees won a doubleheader today. Let us be HAPPY. Put away the animosities for another day. Perhaps, say October 2020.

  37. haiku-man September 7th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    Yankees 9.0 up on the Sawx,sweeet!

    Cano and Melky will need a day off too.

  38. MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 7th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    @ Randy I.

    Consider the possibility tha

  39. Jim the VT Yankeefan September 7th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    The Yanks don’t even have to play .500 the rest of the way to win 100 games.

  40. MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 7th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    @ Randy I:

    Consider the possibility that
    A) Not everything is directed specifically at you.
    B) I might be writing something based on something that was previously written by the author of this blog.

  41. Giuseppe Franco September 7th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    People also have to keep in mind that Burnett has been great against the Rays all season so he might feel a little more comfortable facing them.

    It’s not that the Rays don’t have a great offense. But Burnett mowed them down a couple of times this season even when their offense was really clicking.

  42. JeterJobaCanoFanForever, enough said September 7th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    LOL. Good one GB about Molina giving Jeter hits. Or he could have graciously switched places with Jeter in the line up.

  43. Giuseppe Franco September 7th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 7th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    8/22 with Posada: 5 IP, 9 H, 9 ER, 2 BB, 6K.

    8/27 with Molina: 6 IP, 2 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 12K.

    8/29 with Posada: 5.1 IP, 11 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 2K.

    9/7 with Molina: 6 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 8K.

    And again, the OVERALL numbers are VERY clear. Even Peter, who ranks as the greatest of Posada defenders, admits there IS an issue.

    ——————

    You could pull that same crap with Sabathia, too.

    Some of his worst outings of the season were with Posada behind the plate. Never mind that it’s been Posada who has caught him more than anyone else.

    The more often one guy starts, the chances increase that you’ll get some stinkers out there once in awhile.

  44. Mike September 7th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    I love when the Sucks and the Mutts lose…

  45. Alias September 7th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    AJ has the belt in his locker!

  46. Pel September 7th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    The Captain’s YES post-game reaction (my feed dropped out two rather short times so i edited out the silence):

    http://www.zshare.net/audio/652370611733a604/

  47. randy l. September 7th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    “You are watching a special team.
    The question will fast become, is it a special year? Or is it something more?”

    rebecca-

    i was out in seattle for the playoffs when the mariners won all those games that year and watched a seattle team go down hard in the playoffs.

    a high number of regular season victories is hollow if you’re eliminated early.

    yankees have to go to the world series to be a special team and they really have to win it all.

    they win it all and they will indeed be a very special team..
    anything less and specialness goes out the window.

  48. Phil September 7th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    I’ve been saying we’d win more than 100 since the dark days before ARod’s return. I said it here, too.

  49. Pat M. September 7th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    gb, Have you seen this kid Dunn throw before ???? Great arm and you have to love the delivery release location….Your comparison to Brian Bruney is a good and yet an uneasy concept….

  50. Betsy September 7th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    aww, 24 bear hugs for AJ…………I love this team

  51. Pel September 7th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    A.J.’s YES post-game reaction:

    http://www.zshare.net/audio/65237188996bc4d9/

  52. Orlando Chris September 7th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    Alias – you beat me to it :)

    Pete – LOVE showing the retired numbers as we count down the magic number :) Keep it up!

  53. m September 7th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    AJ will be fine with Posada in the playoffs.

    But I do think that AJ trusts his curveball more with Molina.

    Things were going just fine with Posada, then what happened? AJ had one game with 3 wild pitches and a passed ball with a chance for many more but Posada actually saved some.

    Now, I am not blaming Posada for that game. But I think AJ held back his “game” or whatever after that. Not so free and easy. More thinking and worrying, than pitching.

    So, I’m not advocating for an AJ/Molina pairing in the playoffs.

    Just trying to conjecture why it went wrong for AJ/Posada when they had been doing so well together.

  54. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Giuseppe, AJ in his postgame just said that tonight he didn’t throw any pitch that he didn’t want to throw, and that made the difference. He said that if Molina put down a sign for something he didn’t want to throw he just waited and then threw what he wanted to. He said throwing the pitches he wanted to throw was all the difference.

    You don’t have to be a Rhodes Scholar to figure out what he is saying here. Like it or not, he and Posada have trouble getting on the same page. Please don’t pretend that doesn’t exist.

  55. randy l. September 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE-

    do you have a beef with girardi on who he puts in the lineup catching or don’t you?

    it seems like you don’t like girardi’s choice of catchers.

    it’s a simple question.

  56. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus September 7th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    Randy: That’s true, but you’re missing my larger point.

    The 116 Seattle Mariners only did that one season. They won 91 games the year before and 93 games the year after–good teams, but not great.

    My point is that, are we looking at a Yankee team that’s going to win 100+ games this year and then win 89 games again next year, or are we looking at a team that could win 100+ games years in a row?

  57. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Mel, AJ just said it all in his postgame interview. He wants to throw the pitch he is most comfortable throwing. He can do it with Molina, not so much with Posada. We’ve seen it, we’re hearing it. I am so tired of people pretending there’s no underlying issue. The issue is AJ wants to throw his own game. Period.

  58. Gary September 7th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    Of those 1400 comments, 900 were Trisha talking about her position on Molina and posada.

  59. Giuseppe Franco September 7th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    m,

    I get what you’re saying, but Burnett has a history of erratic pitching and it certainly didn’t start with Posada catching him.

    He’ll go a month and pitch like crap and then he’ll go on a rampage and no one will touch him for two months.

    Burnett has always been that way. To see him repeat that this season is hardly a shock.

    I’m just glad he’s managed to stay healthy and make every start (knock on wood).

    That was my primary goal for him to begin the season. His talent was going to do it’s thing with this lineup as long as he continued to take the ball every five days.

  60. S.A.--Serenity Now September 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    My thoughts on the not so great AJ/Posada/Molina debate/love triangle

    http://www.ibleedgarnetandgold.....t-stop.jpg

    Anyway, good games today. Keep it up and keep on winning.

  61. pat September 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    “He wants to throw the pitch he is most comfortable throwing. He can do it with Molina, not so much with Posada.”

    That’s selective hearing or selective interpretation.

    He said he threw all pitches with conviction and if he didn’t like the pitch called he didn’t throw it.

  62. Mikey (Giants=superbowl contenders) September 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Wait Nino is Pena? I heard Girardi in his press conference saying when Nino got the hit the teammates were yelling/cheering. I’m thinking who is Nino? I probably should of known that though.

  63. m September 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    GF,

    Love you, big guy, but you can’t pin this all on AJ’s history. I’m telling you, it’s that stupid hook.

  64. Jim the VT Yankeefan September 7th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Trisha, you realize that pitchers can shake off the catcher, right?

  65. Fred September 7th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    So….with the Yankees on pace to win 104+ games, do people on this thread still think that Girardi needs to be fired for his imcompetence?
    Or is her perhaps better than the doubters thought he was?

  66. dennis-Costanza September 7th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    RandyI.

    I read an article in the Globe today that said August, including the start to Sept as well as Labor Day weekend have been great for the Cape. The weather in NE has been tremendous. I read it and was hoping you were having a good 45-60 days.. I know you adjust your ROI and ROCE calculations so you are prepared regardless but I hope it was better than your expectations.

    My in laws (from Nauset-Orleans) are on the island with us in two weeks…We rented them a place on the water so Amy and I could have some peace! I love them, but not in love with them.

    Hope the arrogant Sox fans are reserved these days near your place. We are hoping to to squeak in and then see what happens.. You never know.

    Hope you are well.

    -dennis

  67. randy l. September 7th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    rebecca-

    i think the way the team is set up for the future they are likely to win more than 95 games for a while.

    so i agree that they are good.

    but i think jeter would say they have to win it all for the team to be special.

    special isn’t just good, it’s having the intangibles and luck that take it all the way.

    all that said, i have a very good feeling about this team as i’m sure you do.

  68. Giuseppe Franco September 7th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    trisha,

    So you completely ignore the fact that Burnett was lights out for two months earlier in the season when Posada caught just about every one of those games?

    He also pitched one of his best games of the season with Posada behind the plate in the closest environment he’s had to October baseball all season at the Stadium against the Red Sox.

    Burnett is erratic. Always has been. This is nothing new.

    Hopefully, this is the start of another two months of domination from him.

    And all this bickering about Molina catching him the postseason is a moot point because it’s never going to happen.

  69. Pat M. September 7th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    My bet that the Bombers would win 100 games is looking real nice, as is my bet that the AL East would be theirs…..In fact I played the Yanks right across the board…..It’s been a very good year, and the best is yet to be…..2009 is going to be a very special season….

  70. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus September 7th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    randy: I understand and respect your opinion :)

  71. Jones September 7th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Even when Posada isn’t playing, there is still some controversy. Maybe you just have selective hearing. Get over it already.

  72. m September 7th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Pat M,

    Looking good indeed. If the Yankees win tomorrow, they’ll have won 90 games with 22 to play after that.

  73. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Jim, I realize that when AJ gets to shaking off Posada it turns into 20 trips to the mound, them not being on the same page, and then postgame interviews where both make telling comments. He didn’t shake off Molina because he didn’t have to.

    I know what I see with my own eyes. I would have a lot more respect if posters admitted that Posada and AJ have had problems getting on the same page than trying to blow smoke all around it.

    But that won’t happen here.

  74. Seven September 7th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Good for Burnett getting the win and ending this over exagerrated slump.In august he had that brilliant game against Beckett, a complete game where he only gave up 3 runs against oakland and two good starts against the blue jays and rangers.

  75. randy l. September 7th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    S.A.–Serenity Now

    “My thoughts on the not so great AJ/Posada/Molina debate/love triangle”

    there’s no debate in giradi’s mind. he puts posada out there as much as he can.

    i think girardi knows what he’s doing.

    if he plays molina in a playoff game , i’ll still think he knows what he’s doing that game.

    my point is the guy who knows the most about catching is putting posada out there.

    can girardi make mistakes ?

    sure , but do you think maybe when it’s catching decisions he’s not going to make too many mistakes ?

  76. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Giuseppe, there wouldn’t be bickering if posters here were adult enough to realize that it is okay for people to have different views on things and that peoples’ opinions shouldn’t be shut down just because some forumites have decided they are wrong and there shouldn’t be any further discussion!

    Anyway, I’m going back to Pat M’s advice. I feel for others though whose comments are once again being chilled by snappy one-liners from those who just don’t like the Posada debate.

  77. Giuseppe Franco September 7th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    m September 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    GF,

    Love you, big guy, but you can’t pin this all on AJ’s history. I’m telling you, it’s that stupid hook.

    ————–

    I’m pinning it where it should be pinned – on Burnett’s shoulders.

    You can’t really blame the catcher when nobody else seems to have a problem with Posada behind the plate.

    Yeah, that hook is filthy and Posada is not the defender that Molina is.

    But when you allow that many walks and don’t have very good command of the fastball in a particular start (like his last start when he had nothing) – how is it Posada’s fault?

  78. Dr. Cox September 7th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Seven:

    Good Points. He hasnt been great, but in no way has he been as bad as the media portrayed it. I was at that 15 inner and he was BRILLIANT.

    He’ll be a force in the playoffs.

    Lets do this Yanks. Since 2003 I have always said the next time the Yankees win the World Series I am going to get the NY tattooed somewhere on me.

    Could this be the year?

  79. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    “Of those 1400 comments, 900 were Trisha talking about her position on Molina and posada.”

    :)

    Wah-wah-wambulance on its way to the pretend Ivy Leaguer who doesn’t like discussion about french fries and toppings!!

    :lol:

  80. m September 7th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    GF,

    Ah, I think you misunderstand me. I don’t blame Posada.

    I have simply said that AJ feels more comfortable with the others and it shows (at times).

    Some pitchers are just weird cats. Do we punish them for that? Or take the good with the bad?

  81. Giuseppe Franco September 7th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    trisha – OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Giuseppe, there wouldn’t be bickering if posters here were adult enough to realize that it is okay for people to have different views on things and that peoples’ opinions shouldn’t be shut down just because some forumites have decided they are wrong and there shouldn’t be any further discussion!

    ————

    I get that we have different opinions on this.

    But here’s the thing – it wouldn’t matter one way or another even if they did have a rift because it’s a foregone conclusion that Posada will catch him in the postseason.

    So if this rift really did exist, they need to be paired up the rest of the season in order to iron out those issues.

    It doesn’t make a lot of sense to let Molina catch him anymore starts in September because he won’t be catching him in October.

  82. S.A.--Serenity Now September 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    there’s no debate in giradi’s mind. he puts posada out there as much as he can.

    i think girardi knows what he’s doing.

    if he plays molina in a playoff game , i’ll still think he knows what he’s doing that game.

    my point is the guy who knows the most about catching is putting posada out there.

    can girardi make mistakes ?

    sure , but do you think maybe when it’s catching decisions he’s not going to make too many mistakes ?

    =====================

    randy-totally agree.

    The words that I would use to describe this whole ‘one catcher over the over debate that some fans have’ would not make it through the filter on here.

  83. Aww. September 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    “Anyway, I’m going back to Pat M’s advice. I feel for others though whose comments are once again being chilled by snappy one-liners from those who just don’t like the Posada debate.”

    I don’t have a snappy one-liner. I just know a stupid debate when I see it. I feel sorry that you have jumped the shark around here. You are no longer readable, Trisha.

  84. Fran (the original) and OPPC member September 7th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    Just got home from Game 2. It was my first time at the new Stadium and it was awesome. Loved every minute. Had great seats – legends right past 1st base-5 rows off the field. Got a Yankee Stadium replica figurine as the give-away.

    And the Yankees win sure helped although with all of those hits you would think Derek would have gotten at least one. Well maybe he’ll break the record tomorrow night.

    Thanks Trisha :)

  85. Rose September 7th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    “Burnett is erratic. Always has been. This is nothing new.”

    Very true.

    ————————————————————–

    AJ is basically a .500 pitcher, who had a very good won/lost record in his walk year in Toronto.

  86. haiku-man September 7th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    -The pitching depth (bull pen) on this team is evident, when your #2 starter doesn’t win a whole month,and you still stay in first place.

    -Yankees got it going on!

  87. zmaster September 7th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    I’m happy I went to both games!

  88. Jones September 7th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    How come the people who complain about Posada don’t complain when he & AJ are doing fine?

  89. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    Giuseppe – I can’t disagree with what you’ve just said.

    I’m amused at the reaction of some posters who are obviously tired of the subject. When I didn’t want to bother with a topic, I skipped it! And I mean days and days of posts on a particular topic. I didn’t complain that people shouldn’t be talking about it.

    Too funny!

    :)

  90. Mike September 7th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    “AJ is basically a .500 pitcher, who had a very good won/lost record in his walk year in Toronto.”

    Bingo. And even then he had a 4.07 ERA in his “career year”.

  91. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    Aww – such a snappy line, jumped the shark. Cool.

    About the rest of your post – AWWWW

  92. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Fran, you sure caught a good game. I will talk to you via email because it’s getting a little warm in here.

    ;)

  93. Gary September 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Again, Trisha, wrong Gary. There are more than a few garys in this world. Gary Sheffield, me, gary busey, and plenty of others who don’t care about this pretend debate and want it all to go away.

  94. Seven September 7th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    You need to see both Posada/Burnett get on the same page for the postseason. The worst thing Girardi could do is have Molina catch AJ the rest of the year.

    If Burnett wants to throw a different pitch than what Jorge wants then Posada cant fight him on it. You got the let him throw the pitch with 100 conviction even if it you think it might be the wrong pitch. Burnett is a veteran pitcher he is not Joba.

  95. Erica - always OPPC September 7th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    I am off to bed! Good night Yankee people!!!

  96. Fran (the original) and OPPC member September 7th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Erica,
    enjoy tomorrow night. Hope you see Derek break the record.

  97. JeterJobaCanoFanForever, enough said September 7th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Randy, I have a different take on Rebecca’s comments.

    We ARE watching a special team. This team lost Wang and Nady. Wang was a horrific loss. The team bounced back, the bullpen after some bad starts, bounced back with the addition of Hughes. A-Rod did not start the season w/the team. The three new players, CC, AJ and Tex had new playeritis. The team came together and picked one another up. Our 35 year old shortstop is having one of the best seasons of his professional life. Mo is Mo.

    I have probably left out another significant moments and I apologize for that. This is a special team and will become an extra special team if and when it wins the post season and WS.

    Losing will not diminish what they accomplished in this year 2009, bumps and all, including the individual and team records they set along the way. The WS trophy will make it a special year for a special team.

  98. randy l. September 7th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    S.A.–Serenity Now-

    i believe the way to end this debate is to simply point out that people who think molina and cervelli should be catching more are in opposition to girardi’s decisons this year on who he’s placed in the lineup.

    he writes out the lineup.

    posada is in there almost always.

    blame it on girardi then.

    i know enough about catching to know girardi knows his stuff about catching. if i was ever around him i would listen and learn. he knows who the best catcher for his team is on any given day.

    i watch what he does with catching rather than question it.

  99. m September 7th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    Well there is not debating that both AJ and Molina had good games in the night cap. Actually Jose had a GREAT game.

    And where’s all the crybabies who thought the Yankees weren’t trying to win because they rested some guys (including Jorge who, duh, played in the day game)?

    The first part of the second game thread was embarrassing to read. Some of you should hold your tongue until the game is actually played because good things actually happen sometimes when you come out of your mom’s basement once in a while.

  100. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 7th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    Seven, that’s the perfect compromise. Posada needs to catch his games but let him throw his pitches without any consternation. Then it is all on Burnett.

  101. CB September 7th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    “My bet that the Bombers would win 100 games is looking real nice, as is my bet that the AL East would be theirs…..”

    Pat M,

    You don’t know the half of it.

    The yankees right now have a 90% probability of winning 100 or more games.

    If 100 wins is a push then they have an 82% chance of making you some money.

    http://www.replacementlevel.co....._pie_chart

  102. Zach September 7th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    “because good things actually happen sometimes when you come out of your mom’s basement once in a while.”

    Really? That is the first I have heard of this…

  103. crawdaddy September 7th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    “I know what I see with my own eyes. I would have a lot more respect if posters admitted that Posada and AJ have had problems getting on the same page than trying to blow smoke all around it.”

    Trisha,

    Actually that’s what others are saying about you when it comes to the respect department.

  104. Fran (the original) and OPPC member September 7th, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    m,

    you are right. Actually Alex was the only regular who did not play the second game besides Jorge who was not going to catch a DH.

  105. dennis-Costanza September 7th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    CB.

    Hope you are well. Congrats on the last 2+ months.

    -dennis

  106. randy l. September 7th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    “Losing will not diminish what they accomplished in this year 2009, bumps and all, ”

    that’s a subjective thing and i guess growing up in the fifties and early sixties and seeing the yankees almost always in the world series i grew up with high expectations.

    i don’t want to speak for them , but gb7 and pat m probably feel the same way.i’ll be interested to hear what they think if they’re still here.

  107. haiku-man September 7th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Wow Torre and La Russa are tied for home field 82/57,after leading the MLB for a majority of the season.

    When the season started,I read a analyst say it would be the Yankees and the Dodgers in the World Series.Wouldn’t that be something?

  108. m September 7th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Fran,

    Thank goodness you came out of the basement and watched the real game played on real grass!

    It must’ve been a long, long game. Any impressions? And did Dunn look as intense from the stands as he did on film? He sure does spit a lot. Yuck.

  109. Yank1 September 7th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Remember when people were calling the offense an “epic fail” during game 1 of the DH? lol

  110. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus September 7th, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    Stopping to smell the roses (or, Optimism)

    http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....roses.html

  111. Fran (the original) and OPPC member September 7th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    m,

    It was long but the seats were so great and the weather perfect and so I was happy to be there and after all it was the Yankees scoring all of those runs. Hard to believe with all of those hits, none for Derek.
    The few of us in the crowd that were left in the 9th inning started to get on Dunn because he couldn’t throw strikes. But Molina went over twice from 1st base to talk to him and then Cervelli went out and then Pena. It was like group therapy to get him through the inning.

  112. Pat M. September 7th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    CB, The over / under was 99.5…I put up a c-note to win 190.00……I did all your numbers and %’s and the breakdowns………Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup aka Clank ) Getting to the World Sereis is a major accomplishment in my eyes..Get there and roll the dice and see what happens….Even though those hreat Yankee teams from 1960-1964, only won in 61 & 62, no one consideres those clubs a failure by any means…..They played 5 different National League Pennant winners, yet they were always there….2003 was a disappointment however…..

  113. randy l. September 7th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    dennis-

    didn’t see your post.

    business has been great this week. it makes no sense, but i knew when larry summers came in and bought a lot of stuff a week ago it was a good omen for business.

    the red sox are still in it if they can get to the playoffs. the playoffs start 0-0.
    i’m not overconfident yet.

    tell you in laws to come in and say hi sometime.

  114. NYY626 September 8th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    I just got back from the game. What a weird day. I was anticipating tons of traffic due to labor day/the doubleheader, and there wasn’t any at all. Molina was on base every inning, and poor Jeter got a case of the A-rod. This must be killing him!

    It’s always nice winning a doubleheader :)

  115. Jones September 8th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    I kind of felt a little sorry for Dunn in a way.

  116. CB September 8th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    dennis,

    I’m doing well. Hope you and Amy are enjoying the summer.

    The Yanks have developed into a really enjoyable team to watch. Quite a turnaround from the start of the season.

    I know you guys have been through a lot of ups and downs but the Sox have overall played very well since the sweep in NY and I can’t see you guys missing the playoffs now. I think you guys are pretty safe there. Texas is really facing a tough injury situation with Young and Hamilton hurt and Tampa is done.

  117. haiku-man September 8th, 2009 at 12:02 am

    After being highly motivated to beat only the Yankees,the Blue Jays lost today to the Tins,and are 27 games out,bwahahah!

  118. m September 8th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    Fran,

    I was laughing because Jose went out to counsel Dunn. I didn’t realize he went out twice.

    I hope he can harness those nerves because they say his stuff is good (so I hear, haha).

    Well, you sure got more bang for your buck. Would be great if we can take the game tomorrow. Can’t believe we’re on the cusp of winning 90 games. And I didn’t realize we surpassed our total from last season. Why no fireworks?

  119. L to the 2nd September 8th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    For all the MVP discussion about Jeter & Tex, and I agree that either of would be a deserving winner, for those who mention Mauer in the discussion (many as the frontrunner), then – don’t laugh – what about A-Rod?

    Both have comparable (except BA) #s after missing a month.

    Over half of ARod’s RBIs have tied or put the Yanks ahead.

    The team’s record since he returned.

    Tex’s performance once ARod returned to the lineup.

    Bear in mind, I still think Jeter or Tex should get it, but if you’re giving Mauer serious consderation, then ARod has to enter the discussion. Just sayin’.

  120. Pel September 8th, 2009 at 12:05 am

    >>because good things actually happen sometimes when you
    >>come out of your mom’s basement once in a while.
    >
    >Really? That is the first I have heard of this…

    BECAUSE IT’S NOT TRUE!

    IT’S ALL LIES!

    IT’S A TRAP!

    DO NOT FALL VICTIM TO SUCH ABOVEGROUNDIST PROPAGANDA!

  121. randy l. September 8th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    pat m-

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/yr1960ws.shtml
    “As the Pirates erupted in a wild celebration, the Yankees stood in disbelief knowing that they had clearly dominated the series, but were unable to finish the task. The improbable champions were outscored, 55-27, and out-hit, 91-60, but in the end the home team prevailed. Years later, Mickey Mantle was quoted as saying that losing the 1960 series was the biggest disappointment of his career. ”

    i listened with my friends on transistor radios as we got on the school bus to go home as mazerowski hit the homer off ralph terry.

    to this day special isn’t what i’d call that feeling. memorable.painful. special seems like there needs to be some happiness to it.

  122. randy l. September 8th, 2009 at 12:09 am

    “I was laughing because Jose went out to counsel Dunn. I didn’t realize he went out twice.”

    m-

    yeah molina was ticked off because dunn wasn’t paying any attention to his signals from first :)

  123. Fran (the original) and OPPC member September 8th, 2009 at 12:10 am

    m,
    Hope that the Yankees can win tomorrow. They may need to score a lot of runs again because Gaudin is pitching.

    NYY 626,
    I also was amazed that there was no traffic. Came over the RFK/Triborough and there were so few cars. We even got a spot on the street 3 blocks from the stadium.

  124. L to the 2nd September 8th, 2009 at 12:10 am

    And for our generation (since I started following in ’68), the most painful WS loss still stands as 2001, for all too many reasons.

  125. Giuseppe Franco September 8th, 2009 at 12:13 am

    I personally would like to see the Yanks resign Molina for next season.

    He really does mean a lot to this team. I like Cervelli too, but I wouldn’t trust him as the everyday backup to Posada just yet.

    And considering both of Posada’s and Molina’s age as well as their durability – it makes all the sense in the world to have strong depth at catcher for next season.

  126. Fran (the original) and OPPC member September 8th, 2009 at 12:13 am

    randy and m,

    I think Jose was enjoying 1st base. He had a bag of pumpkin seeds in his back pocket and was eating between pitches. Can’t do that when he’s catching.

  127. CB September 8th, 2009 at 12:16 am

    “i listened with my friends on transistor radios as we got on the school bus to go home as mazerowski hit the homer off ralph terry.

    to this day special isn’t what i’d call that feeling. memorable.painful. special seems like there needs to be some happiness to it.”

    When I was growing up I used to read a lot of books about baseball in the 1950′s and 1960′s. I’d read them by the boat load. Old books with the spines falling off.

    When I was reading about the 1960 season and world series with the Pirates I had no idea what the outcome was.

    Just reading about the Yankees team that year I just couldn’t imagine them losing – never mind to the pirates. I had a general sense for how good the 1961 team was so that colored my thinking about the 1960 season, I guess.

    I still remembering reading about Mazeroski hitting that home run and my jaw dropping in stunned disbelief that it had happened and the yankees had lost. I just couldn’t believe it. Over 20 years after it happened and it broke my heart.

    I’d still call it special – just an opinion I’d guess but there are lots of things that are simultaneously special and disappointing at the same time.

    Should Brooklyn dodger fans not consider Thompson’s home run special?

  128. dennis-Costanza September 8th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    RandyI.

    They aleady frequent your place. I am just worried about saying the word blog. They will think that a blog is out of an Alfred Hitchcock movie. Amy and I will be down to Nauset this Fall and come into your place together (4 of us with her folks). This will be after a lunch at the Land Ho’ so I may be a little buzzed! Cheers.

    CB.

    Who knows with the playoffs except my check for 8344.00 for playoff seats had to be in by the 8th. I sent and hope for the best. If they do not make it they obviously credit towards next year’s season tix..

    -dennis

  129. NYY626 September 8th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    Fran (the original) and OPPC member September 8th, 2009 at 12:10 am

    NYY 626,
    I also was amazed that there was no traffic. Came over the RFK/Triborough and there were so few cars. We even got a spot on the street 3 blocks from the stadium.
    ______________________________________________________________
    Fran, I got a spot on the street too! (That is definitely a first for me)

  130. randy l. September 8th, 2009 at 12:18 am

    “The Yanks have developed into a really enjoyable team to watch.”

    CB-

    “developed” is the operative word.

    i’ve said it a few times recently, but the steady progress the team has made is impressive. i about fell over when arod started knocking balls up the middle on 0-2 counts. problems were solved as the team went along.

    things didn’t seem to linger. the team solved problems and moved ahead. i have to admit the no name coaching staff is doing a great job. except for wang, cashman has made good moves . love hairston pick up and how it gives girardi flexibility.

  131. Pat M. September 8th, 2009 at 12:18 am

    I was only 8 at the time, but I do remember staying home from school and watched the game with my Pop….Stunned is what I remember, especially after the Bombers came back in the late innings…..For me the 63 Series sweep at the hands of the Dodgers brought tears to my eyes…..I attended Game 1 at The Stadium only to witness some guy in Greys wearing a # 32 who was superman in disguise throwing asprins past my beloved NY Yankees….His name of course was Sandy Koufax

  132. '98 Revisited September 8th, 2009 at 12:18 am

    2001 was terrubly painful. At the time I found myself believing in all the “destiny” “mystique” and “aura” talk that was going around after game 5. Also, the realization that Rivera was human hurt like hell. However, I have to admit 2004 hurt alot worse.

  133. m September 8th, 2009 at 12:18 am

    Pel,

    We’d all appreciate you staying underground. What would be do without your audio. ;)

    randy l,

    haha. Cervelli’s eyes trumped Jose’s voodoo.

  134. L to the 2nd September 8th, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Agreed, 2004 was the worst – like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

    And you KNEW the Yanks would’ve destroyed the Cards that year.

    But as far as WS go, in ’76 we were just happy to be there (knowing that CIN was clearly better).

    ’81 was disappointing, because we were better than LA.

    ’03 was simply a letdown after te ALCS.

  135. m September 8th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    When did we realize this team was special?

    -The homestand with all the walkoffs?

    -All the win streaks?

    -Realized they play until the last out?

    -Bounced back against Boston?

    -Playing well on the road?

    -Chemistry?

    I think it was the week of the walkoffs. The stadium took on a magical quality, and the team seemed to take off.

  136. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 8th, 2009 at 12:27 am

    “When did we realize this team was special?”

    How about when Cash assembled them in the off season?

    ;)

  137. L to the 2nd September 8th, 2009 at 12:27 am

    The pool tournament?

  138. Jerkface September 8th, 2009 at 12:28 am

    I realized it when the offense seemed to be coming together as a balanced unit. You can’t keep coming back due to one guy.

  139. Jerkface September 8th, 2009 at 12:30 am

    Although I had incredible faith in them from the outset, but their ‘specialness’ was not readily apparent from the beginning.

    I always thought they’d be a good team, but this yankees unit looks like an invincible juggernaut not from the same cloth as previous yankee teams this decade.

  140. Carl September 8th, 2009 at 12:30 am

    AL MVP

    http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....#storyjump

  141. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 8th, 2009 at 12:31 am

    About 2001. The one post event that stood out in my mind was that Enrique Wilson was scheduled to be on the flight that crashed in Queens and only changed his flight because there was no parade and he decided to go home sooner. Rivera later said he thought that the world series was lost to save Enrique Wilson, who happened to be a friend of his.

    I always found that intriguing.

  142. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus September 8th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    The thing about 2001 was that eventually I realized that the Yankees losing pales in comparison to the significance of playing that World Series.

    The Yankees that October–all of that October from the flip play on–helped NYC heal from the 9/11 attacks.

    As time moves forward, we’ll be able to see that more and more.

    For what it’s worth, I know that the Yankees had the honor and privilege of a) coming back from down 2-0 to Oakland, having to go on the road, and then taking that series, b) beating a 116-win team in five games in the ALCS, c) staging two two-out bottom of the ninth rallies to win games four and five, and d) having fans serenade one of their favorites in a way that’s probably never been done before and might never be done again.

    If memory serves, at least two of the four losses in Arizona were blowouts, but every win at home was close–until that final game.

    I cried a good long while that October night, but afterwards I began to realize that baseball had been exactly what NYC had needed at that time.

    The 2001 World Series may very well be and have been the most important WS that the Yankees ever play.

  143. GreenBeret7 September 8th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    Pat M.
    September 7th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
    gb, Have you seen this kid Dunn throw before ???? Great arm and you have to love the delivery release location….Your comparison to Brian Bruney is a good and yet an uneasy concept….

    ————————————————————

    Sorry for the delay, PAT. Yeah, I saw quite a few of his 2007 starts in Charleston, and that’s why I was so surprised when these control issues came up. He was great, averaged a little less than 3 walks a game and striking out just under 9 per. I saw him last year in Tampa both in relieve and starting. That’s when they bounced him around in starts and relieve and he was entirely different. The pitches and strikeouts were there but, the control from the year before was missing….up over 4 walks per 9. As a reliever, the control has disappeared. Not sure if the 2007 season as a starter was the fluke or if he just can’t get used to relief.

  144. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 8th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    “Although I had incredible faith in them from the outset, but their ’specialness’ was not readily apparent from the beginning. ”

    Absolutely right.

  145. Giuseppe Franco September 8th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    I think there were at least a couple of phases that helped people to come around.

    Walkoff weekend might have been the first big phase.

    But I think the four game sweep of the Red Sox at the Stadium is when the mentally handicapped and whiners really started believing.

    That was when the media and talk radio really jumped aboard the bandwagon.

  146. randy l. September 8th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    “I’d still call it special – just an opinion I’d guess but there are lots of things that are simultaneously special and disappointing at the same time.”

    CB-
    i’m going to have to dig out the thesaurus for some other words for “special” . looking back obviously the pirates /yankee series made a big impression on my young life at that time, but it seems like there’s winning “special” and losing “special” . seems like there should be a distinction. maybe there isn’t in the big picture of things.

    anyway, seeing how you know the history well, you can imagine how i felt the day ralph terry walked up to me in the mackechnie field lunchroom before a game as i ate my peanut butter and jelly sandwich and asked me if the seat was taken. i said no and he sat down with his lunch and joined me.

    all i thought about was that home run and all we talked about was golf. he was on the senior tour then. i didn’t have the heart to even mention that series. very nice guy.

  147. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus September 8th, 2009 at 12:34 am

    “September 8th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    When did we realize this team was special?”

    Hmm. The season turned around that walk off weekend, but the team took off after Atlanta.

    I think I realized something was up when a .190 AA hitter held his own in the Majors.

    You don’t see that unless fate’s working with you.

  148. '98 Revisited September 8th, 2009 at 12:34 am

    M
    “When did we realize this team was special?
    -The homestand with all the walkoffs?
    -All the win streaks?
    -Realized they play until the last out?
    -Bounced back against Boston?
    -Playing well on the road?
    -Chemistry?”

    The Yankees haven’t played with this much heart for almost a decade. It really makes me realize how dfferent this team is from the Sheffield, Giambi teams of the recent past.

  149. MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE September 8th, 2009 at 12:35 am

    @ Randy l:

    Sorry to be so late getting back to you on this, but I have other things going on…

    Anyway, I do believe the AJ does MUCH better with a catcher he trusts behind the plate, and I don’t believe he trusts Posada… That does NOT mean to suggest it’s ALL Posada’s fault… But AJ is an emotional guy, and intentionally making him uncomfortable is a very bad idea.

    In that sense, I disagree with Girardi attempting to force the issue with Posada, though I can understand that the Yankees have a big lead, and perhaps Girardi was attempting to solve the issue, knowing he could afford to risk a few games.

    All of that said, my PRIMARY issue is with the condescending attitude of the author of this blog, who tends to act like anybody who doesn’t see things exactly as he does must be a moron.

  150. Carl September 8th, 2009 at 12:38 am

    Don’t turn on wfan…you’ll smash your radio

  151. L to the 2nd September 8th, 2009 at 12:40 am

    This team is great.

    What makes it great is its incredible balance – you’re looking at probably 8 guys with 20+ HRs, 70-75+ RBIs, along with strong pitching.

    I hesitate to use the word “special” until they win the WS.

  152. m September 8th, 2009 at 12:40 am

    ’98,

    Yes! This team plays with heart. And selflessness. No more Giambi and Abreu trying to get their 100th rbi. Harsh, I know, but just seeing Giambi go to the plate at the end was painful. I just couldn’t wait for Jason to take his $5m payout and just go away.

    No one grumbling about playing time and what not. Just give, give, give.

  153. Pat M. September 8th, 2009 at 12:41 am

    Rebecca, The Yanks went back out to the desert for games 6 & 7….Pettite pitched maybe the worse game of his career…And of course we all remember the 9th inning of game 7…..Scotty B. should have turned the DP on that second bunt to Rivera….Oh Well, we have 09

  154. Eric September 8th, 2009 at 12:41 am

    Carl,

    Lori Rubinson will do that to you.

  155. Alias September 8th, 2009 at 12:42 am

    Michael Kay beats this point to a pulp almsot every night, but he’s right about it. This team has more chemistry than any Yankee team this decade. From CC taking everyone to the basketball games, A-Rod treating everyone to dinner, fantasy football, all the way to having every pitcher in the dugout for almost every out of every game. This team is just giving me a great feeling that no team in a while has.

    I think a major turning point of the season was in Atlanta, when Girardi got ejected and the next batter Cervelli hit a home run. I forget where I heard this from but I remember hearing from that point on the Yankees have been playing .750 baseball

  156. '98 Revisited September 8th, 2009 at 12:43 am

    I don’t listen to WFAN much anymore. However listening to Steve Somers after a big Yankee win is always very enjoyable.

  157. Carl September 8th, 2009 at 12:43 am

    Eric September 8th, 2009 at 12:41 am

    Carl,

    Lori Rubinson will do that to you.

    Saying AJ Burnett is taking pot shots at Jorge because he said Molina called a good game and he threw every pitch with conviction. Umm What?

  158. m September 8th, 2009 at 12:45 am

    Alias,

    Chemistry can bring trust. And the young guys showing they can do the job when called upon (including Joba & Hughes) is huge, too.

    No one panics or feels they have to do it themselves. Just an unbelievable boost in a game of failure.

  159. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 8th, 2009 at 12:46 am

    “Saying AJ Burnett is taking pot shots at Jorge because he said Molina called a good game and he threw every pitch with conviction. Umm What?”

    Hate to say it but when I alluded to the same thing and said you didn’t have to be a Rhodes Scholar to figure out what he was saying, I was accused of putting my own interpretation on the comments…

  160. L to the 2nd September 8th, 2009 at 12:46 am

    Guess she’s gotta talk about something at 1 a.m.

    The thing is, is anybody listening?

  161. Al September 8th, 2009 at 12:48 am

    The 4 game sweep of Boston and the way we won each game. Pounded an ineffective Smoltz, AJ matched Beckett toe to toe, CC dominated, Andy dominated and we blew the lead only to come back and win.

    Before that, we had the “they can’t beat good teams” label hanging over our head, even from the knowledgeable writers like Pete, Kepner, Feinsand etc. Plus our pitching just dominated. AJ matched Beckett. CC and Andy did their thing. Then we were 6.5 games up and haven’t looked back since. From that point, we knew the playoffs were a virtual lock.

  162. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 8th, 2009 at 12:48 am

    Never mind. Good night.

  163. m September 8th, 2009 at 12:48 am

    Oh, don’t listen to Lori. She has her cougar claws out for Jose Molina. She wants him on the Mets, and another position player to make up his offense.

    2 problems there.

    Jose’s still wearing pinstripes as of now. And Omar’s magic wand is broken, how’s going to get this power bat?

  164. Carl September 8th, 2009 at 12:49 am

    Trisha,

    He says that after all his wins. Whats the big deal?

  165. Rockks September 8th, 2009 at 12:49 am

    “Guess she’s gotta talk about something at 1 a.m.

    The thing is, is anybody listening?”

    1 AM on Labor Day Monday?

    Maybe 1 or 2 people.

  166. Giuseppe Franco September 8th, 2009 at 12:51 am

    trisha – OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 8th, 2009 at 12:46 am

    Hate to say it but when I alluded to the same thing and said you didn’t have to be a Rhodes Scholar to figure out what he was saying, I was accused of putting my own interpretation on the comments…

    —————

    Meh, people often hear what they want to hear.

    I heard the same interview and I didn’t quite interpret it the way you did.

    There was a time when some members of the media back during the WBC who thought that A-Rod was dissing Jeter when he was really only trying to praise Jose Reyes.

    Like I said, people often hear what they want to hear.

  167. Carl September 8th, 2009 at 12:51 am

    Giuseppe Franco

    Exactly.

  168. '98 Revisited September 8th, 2009 at 12:52 am

    The Yankees of the late 90′s were unique compared to other baseball dynasties. The teams individual players may not have been the most talented. But they were tough, hard working, and would never give in. They had a swagger and a condfidence that the Yanks were not able to recapture after 2001.
    This 2009 team seems to have gotten some of that swagger back. Plus, on paper they have alot more firepower than our 1996-2000 clubs. I am starting to feel good about our chances.

  169. GreenBeret7 September 8th, 2009 at 12:54 am

    CB
    September 8th, 2009 at 12:16 am
    “i listened with my friends on transistor radios as we got on the school bus to go home as mazerowski hit the homer off ralph terry.

    to this day special isn’t what i’d call that feeling. memorable.painful. special seems like there needs to be some happiness to it.”

    When I was growing up I used to read a lot of books about baseball in the 1950’s and 1960’s. I’d read them by the boat load. Old books with the spines falling off.

    When I was reading about the 1960 season and world series with the Pirates I had no idea what the outcome was.

    Just reading about the Yankees team that year I just couldn’t imagine them losing – never mind to the pirates. I had a general sense for how good the 1961 team was so that colored my thinking about the 1960 season, I guess.

    I still remembering reading about Mazeroski hitting that home run and my jaw dropping in stunned disbelief that it had happened and the yankees had lost. I just couldn’t believe it. Over 20 years after it happened and it broke my heart.

    I’d still call it special – just an opinion I’d guess but there are lots of things that are simultaneously special and disappointing at the same time.

    Should Brooklyn dodger fans not consider Thompson’s home run special?

    ————————————————————

    How bizarre was the 1960 series? Mantle hit .400, 10 hits, 3 homers and 11 RBI and wasn’t the hitting start. Bobby Richardson had 3 triples, 1 homer and 26 RBI that year. In the series, he had 12 hits, 2 doubles, 2 triples, 1 grand slam and 12 RBI (still the record). Ford had 2 starts, 2 complete game shutouts. He had 12 wins and 4 shutouts during the season. Art Ditmar had 15 wins to lead the Yanks and lost 2 games in the series.

    Stengel lost that series because he wanted Ford to open at YS (game 3). I would have had 3 starts had he opened game 1. Had had Terry warmining up in the bullpen in the 2nd inning and warming in every inning, before finally bringing him in. Terry was cooked in the bullpen.

  170. JeterJobaCanoFanForever, enough said September 8th, 2009 at 12:56 am

    Wonderful, wonderful thoughts from loving fans. Kudos to Rebecca for her post about this “special team.” Any final thoughts Randy I??

  171. L to the 2nd September 8th, 2009 at 12:57 am

    Glad I was only an infant during the ’60 series.

    Would’ve driven me nuts to this day.

  172. m September 8th, 2009 at 12:57 am

    Shall I listen to AJ’s postgame and settle the debate, or let sleeping dogs lay?

  173. GreenBeret7 September 8th, 2009 at 12:57 am

    How bizarre was the 1960 series? Mantle hit .400, 10 hits, 3 homers and 11 RBI and wasn’t the hitting ***star***.

  174. '98 Revisited September 8th, 2009 at 1:01 am

    I watched AJ’s comments on the YES postgame and I didn’t hear him mention anything about Molina. However he is clearly getting fed up with the NY media. I can understand why.

  175. m September 8th, 2009 at 1:01 am

    lol. Gammons BBTN column is about how the mets aren’t that far off.

    The second thing they need is a catcher, no mention of Jose, Lori.

    The third thing they need is a power bat. Bay & Holliday may be outside their zip code.

    The mets are cancelling instructionals, how the heck are they going to afford any players?

  176. igotid88 September 8th, 2009 at 1:01 am

    Gardner’s catch was #5 in the Top 10 plays. And it was better than the top 4. Number 1 was like always Tiger.

  177. Pat M. September 8th, 2009 at 1:02 am

    GB, We all know that losing the 1960 World Series in the fashion that they lost was the end to Casey in the Bronx…..Not starting Ford in Game 1 was INSANE….Plus the club was out of contol somewhat, as The Old Man was a running joke in the clubhouse….

  178. m September 8th, 2009 at 1:02 am

    Oh, in the same article. Jeter was the worst performer of the day. An 0-8 day will do that.

    Maybe tomorrow?

  179. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 8th, 2009 at 1:04 am

    Yes he did mention Molina but only in the context of saying that if he didn’t want to throw a certain pitch, Molina waited and then he threw what he wanted to.

    Carl, you’re right he does say the same thing after each outing. Maybe now people will get that he wants to throw his own game. I don’t think he was throwing Jorge under the bus. He was trying to get a point across about where his comfort lies. Period.

  180. randy l. September 8th, 2009 at 1:06 am

    MOLINAandAJ,PLEASE-

    i butted heads with peter a. at times in the beginning of being on the blog , but in getting to know him my opinion is he’s very solid in his baseball knowledge. no one agrees with everyone all the time, but to the people closest to the game (and pete’s as close as you can get everyday in the clubhouse) girardi’s decision to play posada almost every game except when he needs a rest seems like a no brainer. posada is that good overall. he’s a really great overall catcher.

    to go against posada being in there is to go against girardi’s decisions.

    so the argument from you and others is that girardi is wrong about who the best catcher is on any given day.

    i don’t see it that he’s wrong.

  181. hardwired7 September 8th, 2009 at 1:06 am

    stat from Michael Kay after Monday afternoon’s game: so far this season, the Yanks are 15-0 when tied after 7 innings.

    ordinarily, I would say that doesn’t seem possible, but this has been one hell of a run.

  182. m September 8th, 2009 at 1:08 am

    I changed my mind. I knew this would be a special season when Pete stopped talking about the bandbox, the Legends seats, and Springsteen.

    One hell of a team.

  183. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who fears no team except the Yankees :) September 8th, 2009 at 1:10 am

    Do you think any particular players are more responsible than others for bringing everyone together? Are their social clubhouse leaders?

  184. '98 Revisited September 8th, 2009 at 1:12 am

    Against top pitchers in October Molina will be a sure out.
    Girardi is not going to start him when Burnett is pitching. To DH a solid defensive, clutch hitting catcher with 25 homers is not the way to go. So, if Burnett and Posada have some hings to work out between them now is the time to do it.

  185. GreenBeret7 September 8th, 2009 at 1:15 am

    Pat M.
    September 8th, 2009 at 1:02 am
    GB, We all know that losing the 1960 World Series in the fashion that they lost was the end to Casey in the Bronx…..Not starting Ford in Game 1 was INSANE….Plus the club was out of contol somewhat, as The Old Man was a running joke in the clubhouse….

    ————————————————————

    The real pity was Terry could have gotten Mazeroski out. He would have faced the bottom of the Pittsburgh order. It took until 1962 that Terry would get his revenge. He was the loser of the only game in ’61 series that NYY lost. He was shut out 2-0 in his first start in in that series. He won the most important game. He was brilliant that day.

  186. Jon September 8th, 2009 at 1:15 am

    Great Yankees day.
    Hey does Freedy Sez still go to the games and will he have his bell with the magic number?

  187. randy l. September 8th, 2009 at 1:17 am

    ” Kudos to Rebecca for her post about this “special team.” Any final thoughts Randy I??”

    i agree about kudos to rebecca. glad you mentioned that. at first i thought “special” should be reserved for winning it all. on reflection with input from cb, pat m, gb7, and others i see that ,yeah, 1960 was a special world series even though they lost.

    … but we need some more words to make clearer distinctions. winning is still a very different feeling than losing no matter how special a losing effort is.

  188. Tim September 8th, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Josey is 1-9 career vs. Edwin Jackson, AJ’s first round opponent.

    Sorry… Posada is catching. BTW, Posada is 3-10 vs. E-Jack.

  189. MikeBoston September 8th, 2009 at 1:23 am

    looking ahead to weekend, does Mitre get skipped with off day on Thursday? I hope so, selfishly because I’m going to game on Saturday, that will either be CC or Mitre.

  190. JeterJobaCanoFanForever, enough said September 8th, 2009 at 1:24 am

    Randy – you are correct about ‘wording’ to make clearer distinction in the success of the 2009 Yankees team. Win or lose. Perhaps we should start a contest. lol.

  191. igotid88 September 8th, 2009 at 1:32 am

    And Gardner’s play doesn’t even make web gems.

  192. Pat M. September 8th, 2009 at 1:35 am

    I do believe that The NY Yankees will go on and win the 2009 World Series….

  193. Scott McCay September 8th, 2009 at 1:37 am

    New York is 15-0 when tied after seven innings — the longest such streak at the start of a season in major league history, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. … That is scary… in a good way.

  194. randy l. September 8th, 2009 at 1:37 am

    okay now here’s something interesting:
    catchers for 1960 world series:
    game 1 -berra
    2-howard
    3-howard
    4-berra
    5-howard
    6-blanchard
    7-blanchard

    lohud yankee blog if it existed would have exploded with what led casey to those choices.

  195. haiku-man September 8th, 2009 at 1:43 am

    If you want to laugh so hard you cry,go to,
    http://www.nesn.com

    The aericle:Boston bull pen built for success.
    This article says it’s the best in the AL,if not in all MLB PLEASE read the comment section,even their fans don’t buy the crapola.

  196. haiku-man September 8th, 2009 at 1:50 am

    The Yankee website says Tues Gaudin,Wed Joba,Thurs and Friday TBA

  197. GreenBeret7 September 8th, 2009 at 2:00 am

    randy l.
    September 8th, 2009 at 1:37 am
    okay now here’s something interesting:
    catchers for 1960 world series:
    game 1 -berra
    2-howard
    3-howard
    4-berra
    5-howard
    6-blanchard
    7-blanchard

    lohud yankee blog if it existed would have exploded with what led casey to those choices.

    ————————————————————

    Yogi played a bit of left field during that series, but, did you see the averages of the Yankee catchers in that Series? Blanchard – .455 with 2 doubles and 2 RBI, Berra – .318 with 1 homer and 8 RBI, Howard – .462 with 1 homer and 4 RBI. Stengel was a little off center, but, he usually pulled out the right cards from the deck.

  198. Stevie September 8th, 2009 at 2:34 am

    igotid88 September 8th, 2009 at 1:32 am

    And Gardner’s play doesn’t even make web gems.
    ——————————————————–

    You know why.

  199. Nick in SF September 8th, 2009 at 4:33 am

    SJ clone?

    What?

  200. Giuseppe Franco September 8th, 2009 at 4:46 am

    Must be that big conspiracy again.

    ESPN was responsible for the Kennedy assassination, too.

  201. jennifer September 8th, 2009 at 8:24 am

    at the beginning of the season I said we would get to 99 wins, looks like I might be a little low considering we are now 9 away from that total.

  202. Johnny D. September 8th, 2009 at 9:39 am

    16 or 19?

  203. Barrows September 8th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    I agree with M. This team is something but a world series victory will make it truly special

  204. Arno September 8th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Actually I predicted (and have made several bets) that they’d win 105 games or more. Yes I was overly optimistic saying “or more” but not too far off I guess.

    Yes, I would like that cookie now.

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