Jeter’s other milestone
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Derek Jeter also stole his 300th base last night.
Here’s now many players have at least 2,700 hits, 1,500 runs, 220 homers, 300 steals and 1,000 RBI:
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Rickey Henderson
Derek Jeter
Willie Mays
Paul Molitor
A lot of Hall of Fame voters are going to go in expecting not to vote for Biggio then realize they might not have a choice. He put up some serious numbers.
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Biggio is one of only 27 members of the 3,000 hit club, which means automatic entry into the Hall.
Damon’s stats are almost at that same point…does he get HOF consideration?
o/t
Colorado has won 6 in a row and may overtake the Dodgers for the NL west crown. Torre must be pulling out his hair plugs.
Minka Kelly?
Stevie
September 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Biggio is one of only 27 members of the 3,000 hit club, which means automatic entry into the Hall.
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Not necessarily. There is the Rafael Palmero loophole.
But I do not believe Biggio falls into that loophole
J
September 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Damon’s stats are almost at that same point…does he get HOF consideration?
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Certainly
Great point J,
Damon is two seasons away from establishing HOF credentials.
I bet if he said he would go into the hall as a red sox, then ESPN, Gammons, and Shaughnessy would twist enough arms (ala Jim Rice) to ensure induction.
Let me take this opportunity to say that I hate tne Red Sox and I hate their fans.
Thank you.
Why would alot of HOF voters go in not expecting to vote for Biggio? Do they not follow baseball?
“Let me take this opportunity to say that I hate tne Red Sox and I hate their fans.”
If you are a Yankees fan, isn’t that just stating the obvious?
randy l,
Geez, was just joking with the Jim reference.
I simply don’t see any problem with Wang’s presence. It’s not like he’s in a full-body cast or some other horrific reminder.
I get your point, but Wang’s one of them. I think they worry more about what’s happening on the field than who’s not on it.
And your Clete stories are great, but this is the Girardi era. Like it or not, it’s very open. Girls in the clubhouse?! The horror!
So, once the postseason begins, the focus will tighten up and only players on the roster will be around.
See no harm in letting Wang ride out the season with them.
It’s really great that Jeter is finally getting all this attention and recognition for what he’s done and what he’s meant to this team. He’s always “under the radar” and his contributions are so easy to overlook.
“You’re wading into Jim Pir-one waters here.”
m-
gee, that’s kind of insulting.
so i’ll cut this short and throw out a personal anecdote why i think the way i do about this.
i watched clete boyer to one of his coaches question why an injured player was hanging around the clubhouse so much when his year was over and we were in a pennant push. i thought it cold too and had a grizzled veteran explain it to me when i mentioned it to him in private.
i could tell you what waters you’re wading in , but why prolong the silliness.
ADam September 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Minka Kelly?
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I dont’ think Minka Kelly is Hall of Fame material. She’s not exactly Mrs. Marilyn Monroe DiMaggio.
Just to drill home Pete’s point, I never realized myself Biggio’s numbers until Yesterday.
I was having my favorite debate with my Texas friend about why the Yankees are so superior to every other team and I was going to say, “no one on Texas has anywhere near as many hits as the Yankee leaders”. Then I referred to Pete’s post yesterday about the hit leaders on each team and saw Biggio has more hits than the Yankee leaders and realized I should shut up quickly.
But because he was on a lousy team for much of his career, he tends to fly under the radar
Nice Guy September 10th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
It’s really great that Jeter is finally getting all this attention and recognition for what he’s done and what he’s meant to this team. He’s always “under the radar” and his contributions are so easy to overlook.
I hope one day MO will get his . The 500 saves recognition was a disgrace.
m,
The point you made about Aceves shadowing Joba is an important one.
While the Yankees surely won’t use the postseason to experiment – if Joba is in an acceptable enough place at lift-off to warrant Girardi giving him a start, the team’s pitching depth means a quick hook if he can’t deliver.
That’s what’s so terrific about this team: there are safety valves all over the place.
Life is good.
Oh, Oh.
I think Rebecca is in love.
randy, regarding whether Wang should travel with the team, I’m willing to admit that you have insights into dynamics that wouldn’t be obvious to fans like myself.
Beyond that, I’ve also read more than once that players sometimes consider an injured player (seriously injured, not just a guy out for a week or three) to be basically a non-entity — partly to mentally accept that they shouldn’t and can’t count on the injured player’s production.
What all this means specifically for Wang and the ‘09 Yankees I cannot say. My uninformed gut tells me that the active players mentally came to grips with Wang’s injury completely and are pretty focused on the task at hand.
At the end, I trust Girardi will make the right call if there is any call to be made.
m-
you need some smiley faces when you’re kidding.
i took you totally serious.
with the acrimony on the blog on some other issues( posadagate) it’s sometimes a little difficult to separate when someone is kidding or not.
let’s see how it plays out. i will be very surprised if wang is on road trips with the yankees the rest of the year.
right now the big story is how good this team is.
that’s one thing i’m sure we both agree on.
CB
September 10th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
“Gomez was really good but his career was basically over at age 29. And, when he led the league in strikeouts he only average about 5-6 per 9 innings.”
MG,
I don’t disagree and that’s why I don’t think Gomez is a lock to be in the top 10. He didn’t even win 200 games. There’s a real debate there in terms of all time yankee greats.
But the comment I was responding to seriously dismissed Gomez as just “stats,” opposing him to Munson who of course helped the yankees “win” and wasn’t just about “stats.”
That’s just historical amnesia.
Gomez was a center piece to those teams in the mid to late 1930’s and he was only about “stats” but not winning?
Come on, that’s just bunk.
I find it remarkable that the guy who was the ace of a yankee dynasty is dismissed as only “stats” several generations later.
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Gomez was a terrific pitcher, as was Ruffing. They can’t be dismissed as ‘just stats’, that’s ridiculous. They are both Hall of Famers, that should say it all to anyone interested. Munson was the heart and soul of the Yankees teams of the ’70s and brought pride back into the uniform after the awful teams of the late ’60s. One of my fondest memories was in 1970, listening on the radio to an A’s broadcast and Bill King speaking glowingly of Munson throwing out a base stealer from his knees (I was living in SF at the time).
As interesting as these lists are, it sometimes helps lose the perspective of just how good some of these players are. The Yankees have had so many great ones in their history limiting it to 10 can make things difficult for even someone with a good grasp of history.
francessa is making no sense
I always assumed Pete was a huge Biggio supporter.
You can’t spell Biggio without the Big G
Yogi > Posada > Munson
Jeter is marching toward Pete Rose’s hit total and it’s not a big deal?
Pete, you really thought people wouldn’t vote for Biggio? The guy is one of the top 3 second basemen of all time.
sometimes his purist, no-nonsense (no fun) approach is too much. no wonder he and maddog made a good pair.
DT, that’s funny.
pete, when do you get to vote?
Yogi > Posada > Dickey > Munson/Howard >
Five Iron and Brandon, and any other prospect watcher,
I am going to see Jose Ramirez tonight.
He’s taken Cotham’s place in the SI rotation.
Very excited to see what he’s got – I’ve seen the reports but, as always, you don’t ever know until you see for yourself.
Stevie
Posada over Dickey what?
Biggio was not better than Morgan, Sandberg, or Alomar.
And that’s just the last couple of decades.
kd: woo hoo, #10!
is bagwell a HOFer?
Francesa is no longer a Yankee fan and callers need to call him on it like a female caller did the other day.
Francesa is no longer a Yankee fan and callers need to call him on it like a female caller did the other day.
since the HOF is a popularity contest Alomar will not get in.
didnt alomar spit on an umpire?
guess he may lose points in the class category.
fran is a die-hard yankee fan. he is just trying to be “objective” and “fair” as he calls it. not a popular way to go as far as Jeter is concerned. People have few enough icons these days to trash on Jeter.
I’m glad there was no internet in the early 60’s.
There would be the Blanchard-Truthers. The Howard-Truthers. And poor HOF Yogi would get no love.
Five straight pennants from 1960-1964 and everyone would be arguing who should catch.
Some guy named Matt would be critical of Maris and Mantle. “Sure, he hit 61 homers, but did you see the at bat he gave away in the 3rd?”
People would scream Ralph Terry is not an ace!
Bod – please report back.
Anyone know what happened to Cotham? Do they just want to protect him a from playoff baseball in his third professional start?
Also, saw that DJ Mitchell pitched 2 innings last night. It was pointed out elsewhere he was removed after a lengthy rain delay. In Tampa Lair has killed the ball since the all star break and has really stepped it up in the playoffs.
Go SWB, Tampa, and SI.
‘francessa is making no sense’
Does he ever?
francessa’s job is to get ratings and you guys feed in. he is probably a yankee fan off the radio, and on the radio, he knows that saying this stuff gets you people ranting and raving. apparently he is very good at his job.
mick September 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
since the HOF is a popularity contest Alomar will not get in.
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Alomar will get in. You can be a jackass and still get in the Hall of Fame. Dozens of other guys have done it.
Alomar was the Ozzie Smith of second basemen and his offensive numbers were better than any other second baseman during his playing career.
He deserves it.
nick,
go bears. i loved that last game. you going saturday?
nick in sf-
just something i saw. we’ll see how it goes.
i think home games are fine. road games i don’t get unless his wife is getting sick of him being home
i agree this is a very focused bunch and expect them to keep their eye on one thing and that’s winning the whole thing.
You can not win an argument with Francessa. Should have been a lawyer.
Stevie: I am currently dating, yes, but what has that got to do with anything?
GF
Remains to be seen. Might take a long time.
“is this the Scrooge” a caller asks Fran. haha
kd: I have season tickets, so I’ll probably go. Not the most compelling game, however.
Actually the thing about Fran is he is the type of Yankee fan people love to hate. It’s “only” about the winning with him. That’s what people hate. Because we have won so much, they hate us. Jealousy.
mick September 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
GF
Remains to be seen. Might take a long time.
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Probably not that long.
He was the best defensive second baseman of all time and he had better offensive numbers than Joe Morgan.
Hell, Ozzie Smith got into the Hall of Fame based solely on his defense.
“There would be the Blanchard-Truthers. The Howard-Truthers. And poor HOF Yogi would get no love.”
dt -
did you catch the late night conversation about the 1960 pirates/yankees world series?
i think berra caught 2-3 games, howard caught 2-3 games and blanchard caught the last one and art of another.
sometime i have to look into that more what the reasoning was each game for who started.
of course gb7 will know it off the top of his head.
Five Iron,
Not sure nature of Cotham’s 7-day DL status.
Should add that I am assuming Ramirez is pitching. He got called up yesterday, and I’m making the leap he’ll start. Perez is actually listed as the starter.
Two days in a row, they’ve used a lot of their BP, so even if he doesn’t start, he may see some action.
Weather permitting, I’ll tell you what I saw.
GF
You don’t think the writers have agendas then?
Even blog commenters have agendas.
does francessa have an agenda?
whats on todays agenda?
mick September 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
GF
You don’t think the writers have agendas then?
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Some writers are brain dead, I’ll give you that.
That much is obvious when guys like Ripken, Henderson, Ryan, and every other sure thing don’t even get unanimous votes.
But even the most brain dead among the writers can’t keep someone like Alomar out of the Hall when he clearly has the numbers to easily get him in.
Not to mention his defense, which was the best we’ve ever seen at his position.
Derek Jeter will not break Pete Rose’s hit record because Jeter likely won’t become manager of the Yankees and then insert himself in the lineup in his 40s – after he is already way past his prime – with the express intent of collecting more basehits.
Derek Jeter is a better player than Pete Rose.
He doesn’t have to break his hit record to prove that.
i feel really lucky to have never listened to fransessa .
GF
yet I get the feeling they will. Just a “holier than thou” see how important we writers are, inferiority complex sort of thing if you know what I mean.
“dt -
did you catch the late night conversation about the 1960 pirates/yankees world series?
i think berra caught 2-3 games, howard caught 2-3 games and blanchard caught the last one and part of another.”
I missed that Randy.
Back then all those guys could play outfield as well.
Casey had a mind like no other – he probably gave an explanation at the time, but it made no sense.
55 runs in 7 games. Everyone hit for the Yankees. Of course, Johnny Blanchard was behind the plate for the ill fated Maz homer. If dreamy-eyed Ellie had been back there or HOF Yogi – it would have been a different story.
Robbie Alomar is a Hall of Fame talent and had a Hall of Fame career, but his act ON the field was one of the most despicable things that any player has ever done. A real Commissioner should have suspended him for a year or more.
If he gets in then you have to open the doors for Rose, Shoeless Joe and all the steroid era guys.
I’ll still never understand why people still listen to that dope Francessa and then come here to complain how much of an idiot he is.
Yeah, we know. That’s why we don’t listen to him.
Sorry but biggio played for 20 years, 3000 hits is not that impressive. its the hall of fame not the hall of longevity.
Giuseppe — Ozzie Smith had over 24-hundred hits and 580 stolen bases. He was not a great offensive player, but he did not get in on defense alone
In Rose’s 6 years after age 35 he amassed over 1100 hits.
That’s an average of 185 hits per season.
That’s what Jeter is looking toward if he is to break the record.
It would put him close to 4000 hits at age 42.
Rose played another 3 years to age 45.
Jete would still need about 400 hits after age 42.
Pray for his health.
Um, you can’t lump Alomar with cheaters and someone who gambled on baseball.
Not at all comparable.
Juan Marichal grabbed his bat after getting plunked by John Roseboro in 1965 and tried to decapitate him. He did crack the bat over his head.
Which is worse?
Surprised Francessa doesnt see the significance of Jetes accomplishment.
These are his beloved Yankees for gods sake.
The greatest team in the history of sports, no?
Most hits were Gehrig, now Jeter.
Not a big deal?
Sounds hypocritical to me. Wish a lawyer would call him on it and for once he falls flat on his face.
dt-
it was a couple of night’s ago when rebecca opened the discussion on whether this 2009 team is a special team. the 1960 yankees came up as an example of a team that didn’t win it all , but was still a special team.
i hadn’t realized until i looked at the box scores how all three catchers caught different games.
I remember seeing Willie Mays in a Mets uniform. Jeter will not play until he embarasses himself, nor will he ever play for another team, regardless of how many hits he needs. He’s not a sideshow. He’ll know when it’s time and IMO, much as he loves the game, he’ll go out at the top or darn close to it.
GF
The problem with your argument is that you are using logic.
The writers are using their collective “power” to show the world how important they are. How moral they are. How “pure” they are.
Until they have to share the vote with others, (broadcasters?), who also see players day by day, they can do what they want.
Francesca use to be a yankee fan, i think Cash killed his done after 2004.
Unless Almoar is revealed as a PEDs user, he’s a Hall of Fame lock.
He’s one of the top five second basemen all time.
You can certainly make the case he was the best all around player at the position.
There really shouldn”t be an arugument as to his Hall of Fame worthiness.
murphdog
so I guess you are saying Jete won’t play to age 45 like Rose.
86w183 September 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Giuseppe — Ozzie Smith had over 24-hundred hits and 580 stolen bases. He was not a great offensive player, but he did not get in on defense alone
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He collected 2,400+ hits over 19 years. His career BA was .262 and didn’t have any power.
While that’s nothing to sneeze at, it’s far from Hall of Fame worthy numbers.
That’s not to diminish his career at all because he was a great player. But he got in the Hall based on his legendary reputation with his glove in the middle of that diamond – not his bat.
One thing that helps Jeter as he chases 4,000+ is he could spend significant time as a DH as he approaches/passes 40. Of course, he may have to split that time with A-Rod.
Realistically, he falls way short, but reaches the Top 4-5 All Time.
GF
If the writers cop an attitude over Alomar’s “spit” incident,
it’s over for him.
mick,
You’re not even making sense.
What makes you think the writers all hated Alomar and they’re now out to get him by not voting him to Cooperstown?
That’s you’re unfounded speculation. You have no idea what the writers think of him.
i think longevity matters in the hall of fame . there’s a reason why some players last longer than others. yaz for one did that, and i’m obviously not a red sox fan when i use him as an example. yaz one time said his ability to work hard and get the most out of his ability was an ability in itself.
i’d agree with that.
GF
It’s not that far-fetched.
Would not surprise me.
And it would not take all the writers to blackball him.
GF
Just an opinion.
Does it have to make sense?
Giuseppe you changed your argument.
You wrote Ozzie got in SOLELY on his defense. That’s not the case. Take away a few hundred hits and all those stolen bases and he’s Mark Belanger with more range.
I don’t think Marichal should be in the Hall. Attacking another player with a bat is ten times worse than all the steroid use combined.
I refuse to call people who took PEDs “cheaters”. I apparently lack your self righteousness
mick,
You and Jim Pir-one should hang out and go bowling.
One guy has this thing about Boston and conspiracies and the other guy has this thing about the baseball writers and conspiracies.
There are plenty of jackasses in the Hall. And none of us know what kind of person he was off the field.
Bottom Line -
I live in Chicagoland and let me tell you, Biggio was better than Sandburg and Ernie Banks.
ADam September 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Minka Kelly?
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I dont’ think Minka Kelly is Hall of Fame material. She’s not exactly Mrs. Marilyn Monroe DiMaggio.
Stevie, Your right… Minka’s not a pill junkie….
Thats a list I was schocked being so short. Would have thought if I’d had to guess, woulda been substantially more.
86w183,
This isn’t the Nice Guys Hall of Fame. It’s the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Nice guys and jackasses alike are permitted if they have the career numbers and/or achievements to warrant it.
“One thing that helps Jeter as he chases 4,000+ is he could spend significant time as a DH as he approaches/passes 40. Of course, he may have to split that time with A-Rod.”
As little as he seems to care about the current milestone I don’t really think he would hang around and DH just to get the numbers. Unless he feels he can meaningfully contribute to helping the team win, he’s not going to hang around to collect hits.
There are plenty of jackasses in the Hall.
GF
My point exactly.
Ozzie is also a Ring Bearer.
Omar Vizquel has a lot of hits, doesn’t he?
next series can we get lucky and NOT have michael kay?
Comparing Biggio to Morgan isn’t fair. Despite his idiocy as a broadcaster, Joe Morgan is one of the top two 2B of all time with Rogers Hornsby.
There is NO DOUBT in my mind that Biggio and Bagwell took steroids. Take a look at the muscle mass they have in the late 90’s, watch the Kerry Wood 20 strike out game and it is clear as day.
I refuse to call people who took PEDs “cheaters”. I apparently lack your self righteousness
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What are you talking about?
You’re the guy who lumped steroid users, gamblers, and Alomar with his incident altogether.
The self righteous one here is you. I’ve simply said that he’s going to make it based on his numbers on the field.
It’s your self righteousness who wants to keep him out because of one incident (as despicable it it was) that happened with an umpire.
Washburn today so far against the worst offensive team in the league
4 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 0 Ks 0 91 pitches
Please take the “B” series so we can face him.
I’d give Biggio the HOF nod.
What about Aaron and Ruth taking greenies?
Everyone tried to get an edge. Why hold it against this generation when past greats were doing it as well?
86×183
Where is the love?
Between you & GF I mean.
He is a right-fighter, don’t hold it against him.
Loves to argue.
Likes to put people down.
“Nice guys and jackasses alike are permitted if they have the career numbers and/or achievements to warrant it.”
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but according to the criteria:
5. Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, *integrity, sportsmanship, character*, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
you can’t just ignore that as a voter. just saying…
http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers/bbwaa.jsp
I think Biggio has to get in.
When you think about it, had Jeter been drafted by CIN, for example, and put up similar numbers we’d be talking about him the same way you’re discussing Biggio.
Really good, consistent player – never saw him much mainly b/c he played on a lot of crappy teams.
Fate smiled on Derek – the NYY – and us too.
i feel really lucky to have never listened to fransessa .
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You are lucky!!! I used to listen to him, but quit after the breakup with Chris Russo. I’m not a big Chris Russo fan but at least he balanced Francessa. Now I don’t miss listening to that show at all.
Don’t forget the biggest jackass:
Ty Cobb
Anyone want to try keeping him out?
Mick,
No, it’s not about “loving to argue.” This is a discussion board.
If you are going to allege dumb suggestions or hair-brained conspiracy theories, you should expect to be challenged on it.
jpb1973
As Costanza used to say to Jerry “it’s a show.”
It’s the HOF, not the Miss Universe pageant.
I grew up in Houston in the 70s and 80s (and have only just now come to grips with game 6 of the NLCS in 1986 (I was there in person). I got to watch Biggio’s career from the beginning (a catcher who stole bases?) much the way I have watched Jeter’s since I moved up to NYC in the early 90s. In many ways they are similar players, remarkable more for their consistency and attitude than raw numbers, though those are still pretty darned impressive for Biggio; he was just nine home runs short of joining the career 300-300 club (300 homers and 300 stolen bases). Had he done that, he would have been only the second player to have 3,000 hits, 300 homers and 300 stolen bases, the other being Willie Mays.
Biggio does have one other thing going for him – the modern day hit batsman record – 285 – second only to the all-time mark of 287 held by Hughie Jennings.
Or… Jeter is doing it under the brightest lights on the grandest stage in all of baseball.
Maybe Biggio wouldn’t have such gggreat numbers as a Yankee in the AL East.
Or maybe he would. You never really know.
like theres no precedent GF. cmon. it’s not the world according to you now is it?
check out what saucy has to say if you don’t believe me, not paranoid.
JFK was not shot by Oswald.
Swisher claims that if he played first everyday instead of the outfield, he would have Hall of Fame stats.
Good point Nick.
Also like to check Vizquel’s #s – he may get in as well under the Ozzie Smith Rule.
Giuseppe I NEVER advocated keeping Alomar out. I believe Alomar, Rose, Joe Jackson, Bonds, Clemens, A Rod should ALL go into the Hall of Fame. Judge them ALL on what they did on the field of competition.
My point is that I have a lot more respect for a man who pushes the envelope trying to get better than a guy who attacks another player with a bat or spits in an umpires face.
You misrepresented my point just as you did Mick’s. He didn’t allege a conspiracy theory at all, he said IF a large group of writers holds the spitting incident against Alomar his Hall chances are not good. Guess what… he’s right.
I little reading comprehension would really help.
86w183
He must have missed that SAT course.
Roger McDowell was the real spitter.
86w183,
Whatever you say, tough guy.
It’s clear what you and Mick said. And little of it made any sense.
“Ruth taking greenies”
ruth took greenies?
they were invented then?
i’ll have to ask gb7 about that one. he was back there. he’d know.
Question?
How many of you are at work right now, and if so, what do you do?
glad it’s clear to you GF, it sure aint to me.
86×183rd
you dont seem like a tough guy to me, but i’m paranoid, what do I know?
lets see if i can get in at 4:04
i did it 4:05 anyone?
shucks
“ruth took greenies?
they were invented then?
i’ll have to ask gb7 about that one. he was back there. he’d know.”
I doubt it considering Ruth didn’t ingest anything that wasn’t alcoholic or grilled.
Greenies have been around for a hundred years.
It’s primary purpose was probably to keep US soldiers on their toes in World War I.
That’s how a lot of technology gets it’s origin – the military and military conflicts.
6 straight , does that make a record. HOFer?
I guess everyone is home like me.
Nick in SF in Santa Rosa
September 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Roger McDowell was the real spitter.
that was one magic loogie !.
(not to be confused with the other magic loogy – Jesse Orosco)
Did greenies look like hot dogs back in the day?
If so, Ruth was all over it.
What Francesa is not getting is that Derek Jeter is one of the most statisically underrated and underappreciated players in the game.
Far too many people want to see Jeter only as the incredible “intangible” player whose ability to rise to the occassion in a big spot transcends his numbers.
But the implication there is that his greatness has nothing to do with his statistics … as if he were some .260 hitter who became a superstar because he won 4 WS early in his career … it is so ridiculous.
If you look at Derek Jeter only on statisics and put aside the “intangibles”, his numbers are tremendous and consistent from year to year. Jeter gets underrated because he doesnt have great power numbers, but so what?
Was Pete Rose a power hitter … or Paul Molitor … or even, George Brett?
What I like about there being such a big deal about Jeter breaking the Yankee hit record is that is making people realize that Derek Jeter is having one of the best careers, statistically, that anyone who isnt just about home runs and RBI has ever had.
i’m at work. programmer/analyst.
Big Fran likes playing devils advocate.
Thanks saucy.
““ruth took greenies?
they were invented then?
i’ll have to ask gb7 about that one. he was back there. he’d know.”
One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don’t do anything at all
Go ask GB
he’s buying diapers at the mall.
Jeter is unique in that , while he plays for NY, the media capital, he is the rare player who leads by example. While this might go on in other cities, we don’t hear about it. Maybe he is one of a kind.
We should enjoy him as he won’t be here forever and another might not come along in our lifetime.
Gb wears diapers?
“Greenies have been around for a hundred years.
It’s primary purpose was probably to keep US soldiers on their toes in World War I.
That’s how a lot of technology gets it’s origin – the military and military conflicts.”
see, i knew gb7 would know if ruth took them.
saucy
what do you analyze?
I am at work/poet laureate
Greenies is no different than Red Bull.
They are not performance enhancers like A-Rod and Bonds used.
this board is dying…inspire us with a poem to liven it up
cant take the excitement…must get a life.
time for pete to change the topic
Devin September 10th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Greenies is no different than Red Bull.
They are not performance enhancers like A-Rod and Bonds used.
This is a joke
“I am at work/poet laureate”
well that’s a relief because i knew you weren’t a rocket scientist.
speaking of poet laureates,i have a nice letter from donald hall about baseball.
“This has all been a big misunderstanding. I didn’t know the Phillies meant ‘closer’ like that. I thought they wanted me to let teams get closer. They should have been more clear.” – Brad Lidge
From our friends at Sports Pickle
what happened to a sense of humor?
sure not happening in these parts.
must be generation blog.
all blogged down in our short attention spans.
hello I must be going.
“time for pete to change the topic”
all kidding aside, pete was on his game with his posts today. good discussions.
but it’ll be a long night on the blog with no yankee game.
Amphetamines are addictive and a user can overdose on them. Short-term effects include dizziness, headaches and kidney damage. Use can lead to strokes and seizures. Long-term use can result in paranoia and hallucinations.
“They’re far more risky than steroids,” said Charles Yesalis, an expert in performance-enhancing drugs. “They can stone-cold kill you. It’s far more dangerous. They’re not even in the same room with steroids.”
Yeah its like Red Bull
Sorry, I can’t give it away while I’m working.
I do believe Michael Kay will call the baltimore series unfortunately. He’s awful
mick, ancient business logic along with fantasy sports statistics and this silly dice game that i’ve been addicted to on facebook
wow!
the last 3 posts were funny.
thanks for saving my life.
ever see swisher down that red bull>?
I’m still going crazy waiting for some sort of official confirmation about this morning.
That’s fun.
saucy
you are today’s working class hero.
“I’m still going crazy waiting for some sort of official confirmation about this morning.”
what happened this morning ?
No D Rob news yet huh?
DT – OPPC member September 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
““ruth took greenies?
they were invented then?
i’ll have to ask gb7 about that one. he was back there. he’d know.”
One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don’t do anything at all
Go ask GB
he’s buying diapers at the mall.
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PRICELESS!!
Nick
Now thats some poetry
““I’m still going crazy waiting for some sort of official confirmation about this morning.”
what happened this morning ?”
I got a couple comments that a quote fro my blog was on the blog buzz segment of sportscenter, but I wasn’t watching so I don’t know if they’re just pulling my leg or not.
i see. that would be cool
read your blog page .
i don’t like the red hats either.
Fantasy Football Question:
Should i start at second Running Back Larry Johnson or Leon Washington.
Biggio iirc is one of only 2 players to have 50 doubles and 50 stolen bases in the same season with the other being Tris Speaker.
If it turns out that Bob Sheppard will not be returning as the voice of the Stadium, it’s at least fitting that he’s heard on tape announcing every at bat of the Captain.
Biggio is definitely a HOF’er, how about Bagwell?
Maybe Ruth didn’t take greenies, but there has been suggestion that he injected himself with sheep testosterone.
Seriously.
What did Francesca say? Sorry, I’m late to the game, lol…..
The way he praises the Sox and not the Yanks (they are 40 games over and yet you’d think they were 5 games over. He doesn’t recognize how good of a team this is, but if the Sox were doing it, you can bet we would be hearing about it)……..no, he often sounds like he’s not a Yankee fan.
Biggio was better than Jeter in one respect. Biggio played in all 162 games in 1997 without hitting into a double play.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....L6kraFCLcF
Somehow Jeter is GREAT damon is “Scrappy” yet their stats are very similar.
Damon will def end his career with those numbers as well.
LOL at greenies being like Red Bull!
Greenies were essentially speed. Modern day equivalents would be Adderall, Dexedrine, or Ritalin. All which can become highly addictive if used improperly.
It is going to be nice to have a night off from baseball.
I personally need a breather from all this excitement of the last couple of weeks.
And, as in the past, once the playoffs begin, the games start later, the nights are long and there is lots of sleep deprivation.
“Should i start at second Running Back Larry Johnson or Leon Washington.”
i’d go with Leon over Larry. Larry won’t do much against the Ravens defense…
hey what happened to the early season trolls like ray. ray the red sux fan that just wanted to discuss things reasonably!!!!!
interesting the trolls spend less time here when the yanks are 41 games above 500….
hopefully robertson will be fine, this team is loaded.. if burnett pitches the way we need him to and the other players just do there thing, they are worthy of winning it all…
forget about greenies. Cola Cola contained cocaine until 1929.
Some of my friends really miss 1929
I love when Michael Kay is there. All the former players who annouce rip on him the entire game. Flaherty was hilarious on monday refusing to let him invite himself to the dinner at NYY Steaks between games.
Francessa said the Yankees would win the division after the 4 game sweep last month and hasn’t looked back.
He really hasn’t spent much time on them lately (or rather, spent time on the results of the games), he admitted there is not much to talk about until it gets closer to the playoffs, which is true. We’re just counting games off the schedule now.
Greenies are more exceptable than steroids. Greenies harm ones self because it is a stimulant.
It isin’t something people use to get big and strong like steroids are.
he admitted there is not much to talk about until it gets closer to the playoffs, which is true.
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Uh hello, you can talk about how awesome the yankees are. For example: Dude, the yankees are awesome, did anyone see that walk off? Sweet!
he admitted there is not much to talk about until it gets closer to the playoffs, which is true.
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Uh hello, you can talk about how awesome the yankees are. For example: Dude, the yankees are awesome, did anyone see that walk off? Sweet!
Biggio was also the first one to trip on that hill in the outfield of Enron Field no?
Funny how everyone claims to hate Francessa, yet want to hear his opinions so badly. That’s how he became the #1 rated sports radio show in the country. The same people who hate him give him strong ratings every afternoon.
Tom, I just find it funny that when the Sox were winning 12 straight, Mike found plenty to talk about with them. The best he can do with the Yankees is say how much he hates the pie throwing business.
fatcessa only likes to talk about the yanks when things are bad. how about talk about how damn good they are playing. they might win 105 games, that is a great year….
how about all the moves Cashman made looking real good. How about the yanks look pretty good for the next few years with many good young players…
things are good in yankee land how about enjoying them for a few weeks…
Closed Door. That argument is like talking to a closed door. they dont get that they are feeding him.
Tampa Yank
That’s doesn’t make one anymore right that the other.
The drugs help players deal with the grind of a 162-game season. They mask fatigue, increase arousal, increase alertness, increase aggressiveness and reaction time. Some players also claim to see the ball better, which may be because of the increased alertness.
Come on that’s a massive advantage.
“Cola Cola contained cocaine until 1929.”
another plausible theory for the great depression.
“Uh hello, you can talk about how awesome the yankees are. For example: Dude, the yankees are awesome, did anyone see that walk off? Sweet!”
True, but how much can you really dissect it? These games are no longer “must wins”. The division is already in-hand. We’ve been playing well for over 2 months, there is no controversy other than the drawn out one with Joba., which everyone is tired of.
Especially with the NFL season starting, Yanks are going to take a back seat for the next couple of weeks. Once September comes to a close, we’ll be front and center again.
The less attention we get at this time of year, the better things are going.
True, but how much can you really dissect it? These games are no longer “must wins”. The division is already in-hand. We’ve been playing well for over 2 months, there is no controversy other than the drawn out one with Joba., which everyone is tired of.
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On a scale of 1-10 how sweet was that walk off? Ok we’re going to go to the phones now and I wanna hear your thoughts on how sweet that walk off was!
Lets go back through the ages and compare how flippin sweet that walk off was compared to other totally sweet walk offs.
I should be a sports radio guy.
I often dislike Joe Morgan as a broadcaster, but don’t sell him short as a player. He led all of MLB in VORP for 5 straight seasons (1972-1976).
He also had some of the best single-season win share totals ever during that stretch.
If you want all Yankees propaganda, all the time, then listen to Kay.
Believe it or not, people actually want to listen to some NFL talk considering the season starts tonight.
How are voters going in not expecting to vote for Biggio?
Craw September 10th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
If you want all Yankees propaganda, all the time, then listen to Kay.
Believe it or not, people actually want to listen to some NFL talk considering the season starts tonight.
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But Michael Kay sucks.
Mike never complained about the pie exactly… he just didn’t like that Burnett was the one doing it when he was struggling at the time. I still remember his rant after that Fenway start… “He can’t get anyone out, but he can bake one hell of a pie” lol
If CC or someone was doing it, he probably wouldn’t have said anything.
Kay was more outspoken about the pie than Mike was.
Nice to see I continue to get insulted
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I would always take care of our guys. I think we should take care of Wang. Wang is a human being, not a Bostonian, and always gave it his all with us. Wang deserves to be treated as such.
GF -
I do not have Boston conspiracies. I simply have opinions regarding Boston.
There’s only one reason why Jim Rice got into the Hall of Fame, and it certainly was not because he was “the most feared hitter of his time.” It is because of the uniform he wore.
The ultimate test will be when it comes time for Schilling.
Schilling is not that much better than Cone, but it is my belief that he will get in easily because of all the Boston loving media.
Spare me the stats, I’ve already seen every comparison stat and they are not that much different but for 20 wins, and Schilling pitched the majority of his career in the National League and I believe he pitched 3 more years to get those extra 20 wins.
The Hall of Fame is a joke. When Jim Rice is in it, it obviously means nothing.
stevie -
which is exactly why francesa continues to get strong ratings.
when m-kay is your only competition, even if you mail in shows you can get high ratings. mets fans won’t listen to kay and the majority of yankee fans find him annoying. where is his audience exactly?
FWIW, Bill James ranks Craig Biggio as the 35th greatest player of all time. Here’s a snippet about it.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....o-the-35th
Biggio’s production, longevity and ability to play great baseball at catcher AND at 2B made him a great asset.
I don’t agree with 35th, but the notion that Bill James’ rates him so highly warrants attention.
To “Damon HOF”: You can’t compare offensive numbers of a SS and a CF/LF… you just can’t. They may have similar numbers as hitters, but Jeter played a FAR more demanding position in the field.
“I would always take care of our guys. I think we should take care of Wang. Wang is a human being, not a Bostonian,”
LOL. Keep it coming, just couldn’t resist eh?
If anyone is interested, Jim and I will be doing Red Sox/Orioles play-by-play (plus commentary) tonight on the blog starting at 7.
Sevrx -
Nah. I just had to throw that one in there for fun!
stuart a
September 10th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
fatcessa only likes to talk about the yanks when things are bad. how about talk about how damn good they are playing. they might win 105 games, that is a great year….
how about all the moves Cashman made looking real good. How about the yanks look pretty good for the next few years with many good young players…
things are good in yankee land how about enjoying them for a few weeks…
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Exactly Francesa talks yankees when he wants to rip Joba. The guy looks like a fool now after all his may rants about how the red sox were gamers and how they have great prospects like Hunter Jones and Bowden.
Jim Pir-one has a good point about the boston lovin media.
it’s well known that Gammons and Shaughnessy lobbied hard for Jim Rice.
If Rice had played for the White Sox would he have been inducted? no.
Will the ESPN-Boston-Globe-industrial-complex go all out for Schilling? I don’t know. It depends on how friendly he was with the writers.
Jim Rice was a product of Fenway park. His home and away splits show that he is not a true hall of fame player.
The major leaguers of today cannot compare. The Jeter,s the A=Rod’s, the Manny’s… only care about money. They do not get their uniform dirty and play for the love of the game.
Jim Rice was a product of Fenway park. His home and away splits show that he is not a true hall of fame player.
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Jim Rice is definitely not a true Hall of Famer, but I’ll give him props on one thing.
He is a true Bostonian.
He got handed the Hall of Fame of which he was not deserving.
Instead of being happy with being rewarded for being a Bostonian, he took it upon himself act like the scumbag he is, using a forum of kids to insult Derek Jeter among others, with of course no mentions of Papi Ortiz.
Jim Rice is SOOO not a hof’er it’s a joke.
I actually think Schilling should make the HOF.
If you think Joe D (as an example) played for the love of the game, you’re wrong. He tried to hold out for a better contract so the Yankees said, “All right. So long.” and he was forced to come back or be out of baseball period.
Dave, that’s true….but I thought that was the wrong attitude at the time and I still do. AJ is a part of this team, whether he likes it or not……did Mike want him to sulk ? Even struggling players have the right to enjoy themselves.
This lack of news on Robertson is annoying……
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-575715
Robertson out for two weeks. Could make it back for the playoffs though. If he does it’s no harm no foul.
How many Mets are in the Hall of Fame?
One. Tom Seaver.
Gary Carter is in the Hall, but he went in as an Expo.
Who cares. The pie is totally unrelated to pitching. There’s zero connection.
Wait till the ALDS
September 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/…..ent-575715
Robertson out for two weeks. Could make it back for the playoffs though. If he does it’s no harm no foul.
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That is great news that his injury isn’t very serious.
The Mets only have 3 numbers retired. And one of them is 42 (for Mariano Rivera, obviously.. hehehehe)
“He won’t be out more than 10 days to two weeks,” Brian Cashman said today. “He should be pitching before September (ends).
“It’s great news. I talked to [his] agent and David is really is pumped. Like everyone else, he wants to be part of it and he wants to be healthy.”
The diagnosis did not specify the cause of Robertson’s pain, but he does not have structural damage in the hinge.
In 42 appearances for the Yankees, Robertson was 2-1 with a 3.29 ERA and emerged as a trusted bridge to Phil Hughes.
Robertson said the discomfort began about two weeks ago.
“I feel like I’ve been throwing the ball real well — it’s just a little discomfort,” Robertson said. “It gets tight on me the day after I throw.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....00MV93Ed2I
Thanks for the details Steven. Great news then.
“Robertson out for two weeks”
You really have to wonder what the Yanks were thinking by letting him pitch threw this. Girardi said he knew about it 2 weeks ago. If they shut him down right away he probably would of been back by the play offs, now he might not.
Wait till the ALDS
September 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
I actually think Schilling should make the HOF.
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Based on what ? His gibberish ?
Based on good to very good regular season numbers and totally insane postseason numbers.
That’s great news on Robertson……He’s really done a very fine job and it would have been a real blow to lose him. He could be rusty going into the playoffs as he won’t get much work, but I just breathed a huge sigh of relief
Anyway that Mystique and Aura quote made me laugh.
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Who knew.
Schilling is borderline based on his regular season stats, and his postseason heroics will probably push him over the top.
Wait till the ALDS -
That’s a really good deal.
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There was a PS3 Slim earlier today for I think 249, but it’s expired.
I figure I’d help other Yankees fans like the nutjob I am
if shilling makes it mussina deserves it also.
consistency and longevity are good traits not bad………..
Right now I’m looking at a cool piece of Jeter merchandise. Only thing is, I’m worried that it’s not really signed.
Well Mussina may make it (I hope he does) but he doesn’t have the postseason stats Schilling does.
I don’t know about Schilling being borderline based on regular season. He had, IMO, only 3, maybe 4, HOF caliber seasons. He had 10 seasons where he didn’t have double digit wins. If he is borderline, Mussina should be a shoo-in. Mussina had much better numbers, and in the AL East, while most of Schilling’s time was, of course in the NL. His best years were in the NL West to boot.
IMO, if Schilling has any chance, it is because of his postseason performances along with a very good, but not Hall-worthy regular season career.
Schilling and Mussina have very similar numbers, with Smoltz and Brown in that category as well. Schilling and Smoltz are helped by their playoff experience, and Smoltz has the closing thing as well. Mussina will be a tough case, and Brown likely wont make it due to the writers all disliking him.
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Great article…….Jeter has the respect of everyone in the game and that makes me particularly proud
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....p;c_id=mlb
just watched on cnn a moron at a political rally attack someone physically with a different point of view while he had a shirt with a yankee emblem on it. real nice.
there should be a law against going to political rallies flying the colors of the baseball team you root for.
talk about mixing things up.
speaking of politics and baseball . i hope the pompous shilling runs for office in ma because i’ll get to vote his butt down.
what kind of person thinks because he can throw a baseball he ’s qualified to make decisions about life and death issues in the us senate with no preparation or life experience ?
Biggio played with Bagwell all those years, so that makes him a steroids suspect in my mind. Steroids don’t necessarily just make you bigger, they help recovery from injury, which you need if you are going to get 3,000 hits. Plus, was Biggio ever hands down the best at his position in any given year? Rarely. That said, he probably wasn’t a steroid guy, its impressive the way he moved around the diamond successfully, and he’s a Seton Hall guy, so he’s IN!
Embarrassingly trivial question, but I know nothing about TV actresses and so have no idea how the name that keeps popping up here — Minka Kelly — is pronounced. Anybody know whether it’s ‘Min-ka’ or ‘Mink-a’?
“what kind of person thinks because he can throw a baseball he ’s qualified to make decisions about life and death issues in the us senate with no preparation or life experience ?”
Jim Bunning?
Making Curt is counting the bloody sock as a life experience.
So who are these people who vote him overrated? I imagine they are players with some stature… I don’t think they are asking Nick Green or Paul Byrd to vote in that survey…
Sounds like good news on Robertson. What was tricky for the Yankees was that there was no pain on the days he pitched, only tightness the day after. It’s easy for me to see how a pitcher (and the team) might think that it would clear up on its own, or as long as there was no discomfort while pitching that it would be okay “next time.” the important thing is that they DID go ahead and do an MRI and have it examined by Dr. Andrews. It will be great to have Robertson available.
“Making Curt”
Maybe Curt is counting the bloody sock as a life experience.
two weeks in the woods and now I’m spelling like GB….yikes.
I’ve never understood why Tommy John hasn’t made it to the HOF.
He had 285 wins and many of those with mediocre teams like the White Sox and Cleveland Indians.
Through a surgery named after him, he’s saved many major league pitching careers.
It’s also an injustice that Bert Blyleven with over 3,700 strikeouts isn’t in the Hall.
We are days away from football and Michael Kay’s show relentlessly went on and on about the Yankees today. Heck, Im a Yankees fan but the rest of the season is meaningless unless someone gets injured God forbid. The guy doesnt know anything about how to program a talk show. His bias toward baseball is sickening for football fans which is why we tune to Francesa.
Allie Reynolds has to be in the HOF.
football sucks it is all physical talent and nothing else unless you’re a quarterback… sorry i’m not impressed if you can tackle someone… if you can hit a 100 mph fastball 450 feet… ok now that’s impressive… running and jumping and that’s it… sorry nah the skill level doesn’t even compare
I’m sorry. Football season is just beginning. This is the meat of the baseball season. We baseball fans have survived MONTHS waiting for this time of year. Forgive us if we don’t want to end our season BEFORE the championship games. I heard a good portion of Michael Kay’s show today, which centered around Jeter specifically. He interviewed Tino Martinez. I thought it was a very timely and appropriate show. It IS still baseball season.
The people that say Jeter’s stats aren’t HOF worthy and that he’s merely an intangible player couldn’t be more ignorant. 162 game averages of .317/17/81 with 120 R are right up there with any of the non-power guys in the hall. Jeter is definitely a better player than Ripken or Biggio, and it’s not even debatable.