Game 146: Blue Jays at Yankees (Updates with Pettitte being skipped
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YANKEES (93-52)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Gardner CF
Pitching: RHP Sergio Mitre (3-2, 7.02).
BLUE JAYS (65-79)
Scutaro SS
Hill 2B
Lind DH
Wells CF
Overbay 1B
Encarnacion 3B
Barajas C
Bautista RF
Snider LF
Pitching: RHP Roy Halladay (14-9, 3.03).
STATE OF THE STRIPES: The Yankees start the day with a 7.5 game lead on Boston in the AL East and a six-game lead for best record in the American League, which brings with it home field advantage. The magic number is 12. The Angels play at Fenway park tonight.
NO HALLADAY: THE Yankees faced Roy Halladay in Toronto on Sept. 4. He threw a one-hit shutout with three walks and nine strikeouts. The lone hit was a double by Ramiro Pena in the sixth inning.
SURGE OF RUNS FOR SERGE: Mitre face the Jays on Sept. 6 and allowed 11 runs (nine earned) on 11 hits in 4.1 innings. He was victimized by some poor defense.
This note directly from the Yankees:
GO SPEEDRACER, GO: Brett Gardner has stolen 21 bases in 26 attempts this season. Over the last 50 years (since 1960), only three other Yankees rookies have stolen at least 21 bases in a season – Alfonso Soriano (43 in 2001), Willie Randolph (37in 1976) and Jerry Kenney (25 in 1969). Gardner has been successful in 34 of his first 40 career attempts.
ON THE iPOD RIGHT NOW: Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I’ll Go Mine) by Bob Dylan from Blonde on Blonde.
Back with more later on. Not much new in the way of notes lately.
UPDATE, 4:05 p.m.: Pettitte being skipped until Monday because of shoulder fatigue. Gaudin starts tomorrow.
UPDATE, 4:15 p.m.: Girardi said it’s not serious. They believe this extended rest will “knock it out.”
UPDATE, 5:07 p.m.: Here is Pettitte discussing his shoulder:
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Pettitte said the ache in his shoulder contributed to his poor start on Friday when he lasted only five innings and walked three. But he threw a bullpen yesterday and it felt fine.
He will not throw again until Friday. So he’ll have nine days between starts and two days completely off. That should help.
UPDATE, 7:09 p.m.: We are underway. Another terrific night for baseball. … And before I can finish the sentence, Mitre gives up a hit. You get the feeling this could be a long night for the pinstripes?
UPDATE, 7:24 p.m.: Mitre works out of the first inning and looked good doing so. Now the Yankees have something cooking on Halladay.
UPDATE, 7:38 p.m.: Mitre motors through the second. But the Yankees wasted a chance in the first inning against Halladay.
UPDATE, 7:50 p.m.: Gritty! Gutty! 1-0 Yankees. Brett Gardner doing his thing. Yankees need to maximize this inning now. One is not remotely enough.
UPDATE, 7:54 p.m.: Not bad. But the Yankees could have milked another run or two out of that opportunity. Still, that’s two more runs than they had against Halladay the last time.
UPDATE, 8:02 p.m.: So much for that as Mitre walks Bautista and gives up a majestic blast to Snider. All tied up at 2-2.
UPDATE, 8:06 p.m.: Still think there is no problem with right field? Because that is an out in 29 other ballparks. Jays lead 3-2.
UPDATE, 8:15 p.m.: Yankees try it again with Halladay.
UPDATE, 8:20 p.m.: Alex has been much more spry in the field in recent weeks. But he still isn’t running nearly as well as he did before the surgery. That appears to be the last thing that will come back, assuming it does.
Good send by Thomson. You need to push the issue against a pitcher like Halladay.
UPDATE, 8:27 p.m.: Bombs Away Mitre does it again as Encarnacion goes deep. Three homers for the Jays in four innings and a 4-2 lead. It’ll be tough for Girardi to claim that old Serge threw the ball well this time.
UPDATE, 8:29 p.m.: I detect a trend as Snider goes deep again. It’s souvenir ball night here at the ballpark.
Brett Tomko is having a good chuckle.
UPDATE, 9:06 p.m.: The Yankees have 10 hits and a walk against Roy Halladay in five innings and trail 4-2. Be interesting to see Roy twirl the complete game 17-hitter.
Meanwhile, Mitre continues to give up runs as the Jays lead 6-2. The crowd is letting him have it, too.
UPDATE, 9:08 p.m.: Edwar Ramirez in as Girardi goes to the white flag bullpen guys.
UPDATE, 9:57 p.m.: Ramirez, Melancon and Dunn are basically the no-chance bullpen at this point. They only pitch in games that are way out of hand either way. This has become a rather tedious game as the Yankees trail 8-2. Back later with any postgame news.
UPDATE, 10:07 p.m.: A jagged piece of Matsui’s bat just flew into the seats behind the dugout. It looked like a spear. Thankfully nobody was injured. … Now Carlson just threw behind Posada in retaliation for Melancon hitting Aaron Hill in the back.
UPDATE, 10:19 p.m.: We have a brawl as Sonny Corleone Posada threw an elbow at Carlson after he scored and was ejected. Then the brawl started. Shelley Duncan, a good man to have on your side in such affairs, was right in the middle of it. Of course.
UPDATE, 10:2e p.m.: Posada is flat-out wrong there. You can’t throw an elbow like that and expect to get away with it. Carlson threw behind him after Melancon hit Hill, Toronto’s star player. That’s how it works in baseball.
You can expect Posada to get suspended for a few games.
UPDATE, 10:29 p.m.: Posada and Carlson were ejected.
UPDATE, 10:48 p.m.: Baseball is great. Tex didn’t have a triple for two years and now he has two in as many nights. Go figure.
hopefully mitre can twirl a gem tonight!…
i loved the morning reactions to this pitching matchup. You would have thought Joe G was conceding the season the way people were flipping out.
FYI, Halladay didn’t pitch well last time he was at yankee stadium.
this is the fifth time they are facing Doc this year. ugh
I’m surprised the Yanks have actually won two of those games
“A” line-up minus Melky plus Gardner
Good call Pete, heard some Dylan in a coffee shop this morning and was thinking I needed to dust some of that stuff off.
Halladay is going to lose this one too…
the A line-up tonight except melky getting the start off.
Good interview with Francesa/Teixeira.
Perhaps Mitre will channel his inner White Sox start…
Proofread, then post.
kthxbye.
pat and Tex’s friend-
is that the actual line up, or a guess?
Mark Teixeira on Mike’d up with Mike Francesa (09/15/09):
http://bit.ly/wZ4MG
LINEUP guess:
Jeter SS
Swisher LF
Teixiera 1B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Shelley Duncan RF
Ramiro Pena 3B
Brett Gardner CF
OR
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixiera 1B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Hairston Jr. 3B
Gardner CF
Sorry…i couldn’t decide how many guys he’s gonna give a break tonight, but i feel like the “A” lineup wont be out there.
Should be a fun game. Win or lose, it will be nice to see how the offense does tonight against Halladay.
Let’s see if the Yanks can get him cursing at the right field wall again…
Anyone know why the Jays gave Halladay an extra day? If they did it the rest of the way that’d be one less start on his arm? Saving him to play spoiler for the Yanks? Or was it just so they could get Purcey back in the rotation?
Not to suggest that there is a conspiracy against the Yankees or anything. It does seem they get him every Jays series for some reason.
Pel = Poster of the year. Thanks Pel!
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>Pel = Poster of the year. Thanks Pel!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! You’re far too kind.
Huh… Curious… When will Al get his next day off?
Um, shouldn’t that be Jerry Kenney, not Kennedy, with the 25 steals in 1969?
that wasnt a guess. that was on twitter.
No matter what the lineup, tonight is a loss. Boston will win and cut the lead by another game. Serge will become unglued early and a parade of ten cent relievers will add gas to the fire. Look for a 12-1 Blue Jay win.
It was Jerry Kenney (not Kennedy) in 1969. As a kid, I had the misfortune of starting to follow the Yanks during the low tide of the mid-60′s. Jerry Kenney was part of the youth movement, along with Bobby Murcer and Roy White. Kenney was a light-hitting infielder with a good glove that only lasted a few years. Horace Clark and Stick Michaels anchored the middle infield on some pretty mediocre to bad teams.
no way. yankees take this one.
I think the player in 1969 was Jerry Kenney and not Jerry Kennedy. Keneny and Johnny Ellis were then traded to the Cleveland Indians for Jerry Moses and Craig Nettles after the 1972 season. I have a Jerry Moses autographed baseball.
“No matter what the lineup, tonight is a loss. Boston will win and cut the lead by another game. Serge will become unglued early and a parade of ten cent relievers will add gas to the fire. Look for a 12-1 Blue Jay win.”
this has to be intentionally stupid right?
yankees win this one 7-4.
Stateman,
I shall keep an eye out for a 12-1 Blue Jay win.
I got ‘My Back Pages’ on the Zune right now. And yes, I own a Zune…
That’s Jerry Kenney. Lefty hitter, almost never got around on the ball, they used to play him as though he was a pull righty hitter. I think I still have a Jerry Kenney bat from a Yankees Bat Day about 40 years ago.
if Boston wins, it helps us w/ home field advantage over the Angels.
The Yankees have won 93 games, 2nd closest are both CA teams w/ 86, why do we care what anyone else does?
“Fin” by Supergrass on the iPod.
SteveB, I think it was Bat Day 1970 that the kids around me had bats with Bobby Murcer or Roy White or even Horace Clarke and there I was with my Jerry Kenney bat. If they were going to give you a bat with his name on it, I felt they should give you two. But I still have that one and my Elston Howard bat from 1967.
2010 scheule has the Yanks opening the season in Boston BUT it ALSO has the Yanks CLOSING the season on the road in Boston!
Peter says “in the end, schedules usually balance out one way or another”, but how does that balance out?
And, in 2010, for the 4th consecutive year, the Yanks will end the season on the road, while Boston once again ends the season at home.
I’m sure it’s all just a coincidence.
Pete, I like your music. I am just living back in the 60′s
Tunnel Man: The thing is, though, at this point it would take a major collapse for that final series on the road this season to matter.
what does OPPC mean?
Tom in N.J.
September 15th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I got ‘My Back Pages’ on the Zune right now. And yes, I own a Zune…
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Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now
No matter what the lineup, tonight is a loss. Boston will win and cut the lead by another game. Serge will become unglued early and a parade of ten cent relievers will add gas to the fire. Look for a 12-1 Blue Jay win.
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Are you a real yankee fan? this lack of confidence is sad. Yankees have beaten halladay twice this year already.
If listening to Dylan, his version of “Precious Memories” is a must. Add “Brownsville Girl” and the complete soundtrack to “Pat garrett and Billy The Kid”.
Even if Halladay beats the yankees, who cares? They should be going into this game looking at a super-annual-cy young contending ace pitcher and saying: “We will probably face pitching of this quality in the postseason, simulated game time!” then take every at bat as if it was game 7 of the world series.
Intense focus. Smart ABs. Etc.
Prepare for the playoffs.
I just noticed, yesterday was the Sox last day off until the end of the season. 20 straight, 10 home- LA, Tor., Clev. and 10 road Balt., KC, NY.
OPPC is a buncha people that stole my Optimist Prime schtick without, you know, asking if I cared =P
(FWIW, I don’t care. Just amused. And honored.)
Finally, some Dylan
And, in 2010, for the 4th consecutive year, the Yanks will end the season on the road, while Boston once again ends the season at home.
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And how exactly is that working out this year? Play the games, play them well and the schedule doesn’t matter.
um… why is Gardner in the lineup? Melky hit a HR off Halladay and is on a role.
Rebecca, you are the original optimist.
The majority of that other group are just people that don’t like Jorge Posada:)
um… why is Gardner in the lineup? Melky hit a HR off Halladay and is on a role.
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Really, David? If that is your real name. You are really going to complain about this? Gardner needs ABs, Halladay is right handed.
You’re right though, Melky is on a role, its called platooning in centerfield with Gardner and now its time for the bench so we can get Gardner right before the playoffs.
No matter what the lineup, tonight is a loss. Boston will win and cut the lead by another game. Serge will become unglued early and a parade of ten cent relievers will add gas to the fire. Look for a 12-1 Blue Jay win.
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Are you a real yankee fan? this lack of confidence is sad. Yankees have beaten halladay twice this year already.
I am a Yankee fan all my life. When I predict they lose, they win.
As has been mentioned several times, it was Jerry Kenney, not Kennedy in 1969.
Kenney was relatively useless, as was most of the ballclub that season. By far his best asset was his speed. I remember the Scooter used to say “Boy, he can really get down that line!” after his routine ground outs.
“I just noticed, yesterday was the Sox last day off until the end of the season. 20 straight, 10 home- LA, Tor., Clev. and 10 road Balt., KC, NY.”
That’s rough, but if they clinch with a few days left in the season, they’ll have plenty of time to rest their players. Plus, guys like Buchholz and Dice-K could probably use as many starts as possible to prepare them for the playoffs.
Im excited to see Gardner getting the start tonight after he was a major part in that win last night. Reward the kid and let him show the team and the fans that can be an asset with his blinding speed.
Rebecca-
what bothers me is the lack of balance. It should alternate, one year we close at home the next year on the road.
I’m sure everyone on the team would say they’d rather close at home because the playoffs start two to three days after the season ends, and we don’t always start the playoffs at home.
So this year for example, Boston will start the playoffs on the road. I’m sure they prefer ending the season at home, instead of Toronto, before having to immediately jet out to Anaheim.
Matsuzaka is going to outduel Lackey?
I’ll be optimistic and believe that the “fatigue” is nothing. With the lead the team has they can afford to give Andy extra time. I have been very impressed with Andy this year. CC is the best NYY SP of 2009, but I think Andy may be the most consistent. I hope they bring him back for 2010.
Tunnel Man: Well, if you think this is bad, check out some of those NFL schedules sometime…
Hopefully Pettitte resting will get his shoulder better. Last year he just kept pitching and it kept getting worse, it seemed–both his pitching and the shoulder.
go yankees!!!! They are the best team in baseball history. Remember when it seemed like every year it was the braves vs. the yankees in the world series.
it was kind of unfair but hey if your the best your the best.
pettitte has a dead arm??
“David”
Melky has been on a “role” (roll) of streaks all season just because hes in a high streak now doesnt mean he should take precious at bats away from Gardner. BG has a major role in the postseason and needs to get his bat back to major league speed, the only way to do that is more at bats.
Im with Jerkface on this one…BG is the right call tonight against a great starter in Halladay even if Melky had a HR last time.
as far as pettitte goes, missing a turn isn’t something you want to hear two weeks before the playoffs begin .
i’m not feeling good about yankee starting pitching for the playoffs right now.
the yankees are now down potentially to one really good healthy starter and that’s sabathia.
joba is starting to look more important as a possible starter in the playoffs.
who knows what taking his innings down and then back up will do.
maybe he’ll be the hot one when the playoffs arrive.
Rebecca-
I never got to finish this thought Saturday. I asked if you were at the game because I was curious if you saw Kim Girardi’s fundraiser. Did you happen to see if people were buying the blue hair extensions?
alyssa
September 15th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
go yankees!!!! They are the best team in baseball history. Remember when it seemed like every year it was the braves vs. the yankees in the world series.
it was kind of unfair but hey if your the best your the best.
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damn alyssa…nice photoblog website
GGBG is in the line up tonight because against a pitcher like Roy Halladay, the Yanks may need some small ball. GGBG gives them the option to do that
“UPDATE, 4:15 p.m.: Girardi said it’s not serious. ”
I guess that means it is life threatening.
both Mitre and Gaudin this series against Toronto?
Who’s pitching for Toronto tomorrow?
Rishi it’s listed as Brian Tallet for the Jays tomorrow night
soon this blog will explode with overly pessimistic yankee fans and red sox trolls who declare the yankees post-season chances to be <.00001%…
andy has 3 weeks to feel better…i think he'll be ok unless this is very serious…
“UPDATE, 4:15 p.m.: Girardi said it’s not serious. ”
I guess that means it is life threatening.”"
dead arm alert!!! Call ponson! Hah..(maybe)
Thanks, Andrew…I’m glad i went last night and not tonight or tomorrow
t minus 5 seconds before this place explodes over news of andy’s shoulder fatigue…
5….4….3….2….1….boom!
“I’m glad i went last night and not tonight or tomorrow”
Some of us (re: myself) have the fortune of going tomorrow night–which makes my 2nd straight Chad Gaudin start. I had extremely low expectations last time when he faced the Rays, and he wound up pitching great for 6+ innings…hoping for a repeat tomorrow.
thanks for the link Pel.
Nice interview by Tex. I like the respect he has for Cano and Jeet. His comment about not having to always be the big bat is similar to what Abreu said when he came here.
Andy responds well to rest. Look how well he did after the All-Star break.
Hah,
I’m going to Seattle this weekend and am going to catch the AJ Vs King Felix game Sat night.
I recently went to Fenway and also caught AJ. The 14-1 game.
The Jeers Meltdown tour 2009?
“I’m glad i went last night and not tonight or tomorrow”
Some of us (re: myself) have the fortune of going tomorrow night–which makes my 2nd straight Chad Gaudin start. I had extremely low expectations last time when he faced the Rays, and he wound up pitching great for 6+ innings…hoping for a repeat tomorrow.
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definitely possible….aren’t they (mitre, gaudin et al) fighting for limited post-season roster space, anyways? they have an incentive to play well
He pitched with the bad shoulder for the entire 2nd half last year and was terrible, all the while trying to get on the mound every 5th day to mask the fact that Pavano, Rasner and Ponson were 3/5ths of the rotation. This year they can give him extra rest and do all humanly possible to get it back in shape in time for October thanks to the nice lead, so I don’t think there is any reason to panic or get overly worried just yet.
If, after having this start skipped and maybe getting extra rest after his next start, he is still feeling problems in the shoulder, then I would be genuinely worried about his health come October.
did they change the probables? I thought it was CC-Felix on Wednesday.
still think Soriano should have won rookie of the year in 2001 over ichiro.
How Ichiro was considered eligible by most in 2001 while Matsui was not considered eligible by most in 2003 still baffles me and I will play the bias card there.
Rest up Andy. Fingers crossed everything will be alright.
exactly what i’ve been saying ever since we’ve been subjected to the suck that is mitre.
Wow, Alyssa likes taking pictures of herself.
Let’s hope the vanity doesn’t warp her soul.
I’m curious of Tunnel Man’s critique of Alyssa’s “photo blog”
It’s a good idea to hold Andy back.
I think CC will be pitching Fri night in Seattle.
The Yanks website lists AJ as Sat’s probable.
Maybe Joba on Sunday.
So against the Angels it would be Andy,Mitre/Gaudin then CC.
“All-Star Team of the Decade
If you want to get a little understanding of the Latin American influence upon the game in the aughts, check out this All-Decade Team:
C: Jorge Posada
1B: Albert Pujols
2B: Jeff Kent
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Manny Ramirez
CF: Carlos Beltran
RF: Vladimir Guerrero
DH: David Ortiz
LHP: Randy Johnson
RHP: Pedro Martinez
RP: Mariano Rivera
Player of the Decade: Albert Pujols”
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z0RD4nMbNP
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Pretty good Yankee representation – the rest of the article is “interesting” in as much as he throws out all the Arod stats for steriod usage, but doesn’t mention the same for anyone else.
Erica: I didn’t, but I wasn’t looking.
The Damon-ator
September 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
still think Soriano should have won rookie of the year in 2001 over ichiro.
How Ichiro was considered eligible by most in 2001 while Matsui was not considered eligible by most in 2003 still baffles me and I will play the bias card there.
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i think that’s still one of the most valid ‘bias’ complaints of all time
Andy is 37 years old, has pitched lots of innings this year, and the Yankees have the luxury of resting him. If this was a tight race he’d make every start and pitch his butt off, he’ll be fine.
CC-Felix is next Saturday isin’t it?
Here’s the thing with performance bonuses.
Andy has 178.1 innings pitched. He has $750,000 bonuses at each of 190, 200 and 210 innings pitched. If he pitched in regular rotation through the end of the year, he’d have 3 starts – pushed back he has 2. With 2 starts, he can’t make 200 and it’s dicey for 190. That’s $1.5MM in play. How do you feel about that if you are Andy?
In the old days, IMO George would have said take the bonuses anyway, you’ve earned them. I’m not so sure it’s like that anymore.
What is Girardi thinking starting Gaudin in tomorrow’s must-win game?
I see nothing wrong with giving each of our big three a little rest during September as we go into the playoffs. Pettitte has been a little wild the last two starts and that probably relates to the shoulder being a little tired. I’m confident that he will be ok. Perhaps we should think about giving A.J. a start off as well.
Has this been posted?
GREAT article re: the Joba Rules
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....Rf9LBMvIJO
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
September 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Erica: I didn’t, but I wasn’t looking.
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But thanks anyway. I was just curious because it was a cause that matters a lot to me
So, Pete, if you have the statistics that demonstrate that bunting with none out and runners on base lowers the probabilities of scoring (particularly with the likes of Jeter), can’t you lay it out in your daily Q&A with Girardi and get a response? I thought he was all over the numbers.
Before anyone panics, the Yankees are skipping Pettitte on purpose so that he lines up to face Anaheim.
Also, watch for Sabathia to pitch Friday pushing Burnett back a day until Saturday. That way Sabathia could pitch the getaway game on Wed the 23rd.
For all the Yankee fans out there who also watch AMC’s “Mad Men”….what if Sterling Cooper were headquartered in Boston:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6515e3744e/ma-men
(WARNING: Not Safe For Work)
I’m not too worried about Pettitte. I’d rather the Yankees skip the older guys to make sure they stay fresh for the playoffs.
Girardi has done a good job of giving his players days off, hopefully it pays off come October.
Really doesn’t even mention Ortiz or Manny? Weak Sauce and lame. At least he eventually did admit it.
And I would give Player of the Decade to Mo….but maybe I am biased.
If I’m Girardi, I shut down CC and Andy. Let them get ready for October fresh.
“If I’m Girardi, I shut down CC and Andy. Let them get ready for October fresh.”
3 weeks without pitching?
so Andy apparently met enough of his incentive clauses, huh?
(that’s a joke)
Sweeney Murti is on the fan right now and he said that Andy couldnt finish his pitches in the final 2 innings of his last start. He felt good yesterday throwing a bullpen, but we wont know anything until he pitches Monday effectively.
Those are Sweeney’s words.
Tonight we’ll see the good Serge and the not so good Halliday. The Yankees continue to whittle down that magic number.
Thank god for those extra off days. Hopefully the rest will ‘knock’ it out.
I do not like this news about Andy
I emailed this to Pete but didn’t get much of a response and was wondering if anybody had an answer for my question:
The question I have relates to the ALDS should the Yankees choose the longer series option requiring only three starters, where the first starter would pitch Games 1 and 4 and the second starter would pitch games 2 and 5. My question is, wouldn’t the Yankees rather have CC Sabathia pitch games 2 and 5 rather than 1 and 4?
My argument rests with the idea that you always want your ace pitching the absolute must-win game. There is nothing more must-win than Game 5 of the ALDS. Also, games 2 and 5 would both be at Yankee Stadium, where CC has pitched marginally better. Should the series go only 4 games, you also just saved your ace from a start and kept him fully rested for the ALCS. Finally, assuming the Yankees play Detroit in the first round, I personally am more comfortable throwing CC against Edwin Jackson for two games and, minus some unforeseen bad outing, securing those two games, rather than throwing CC against Verlander twice in what would be a toss-up game in the eyes of many. The only possible argument I see against this logic is that you want your ace pitching Game 4 if you are down 2 games to 1. However, it shouldn’t matter as even a win in Game 4 would mean that your second starter would still need to win a must-win Game 5.
Rishi
SI and Verducci taking aim at Alex? Shocking!
I’m glad they have the luxury of being able to skip Pettitte. Last season they did not, and what might have just started as shoulder fatigue for Andy ended up really hurting him and he team because he continued to pitch through.
I am cautiously optimistic about Andy. Also about AJ. I feel like he’s ready to go on a new hot streak.
The only thing I like to keep in mind a bit, and I’m positive the Yankees as a team are as well, is that while they have a “nice” lead, it is by no means a “comfortable” one in my mind. They have not clinched anything yet. I just simply run toward the not counting one’s chickens yada yada state of mind. Boston did not collapse as we had all thought they would. In fact, Boston, NY and LAA are all 7-3 over their last 10 games.
A Yankee win tonight would be nice because the speedy Angels are salivating at the thought of Youkilis out with back problems and Varitek behind the plate.
Victor Martinez is in Cleveland with personal matters.
America runs on Dunkin’ AND Jason Varitek.
Any time the words Andy Pettitte and shoulder fatigue are used in the same sentence, it’s not good.
pat
September 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Rishi
SI and Verducci taking aim at Alex? Shocking!
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good point, good point
I think Pete should give out an extra award to Erica for the most comments, Im sure she has made at least %40 of them.
NYY626
September 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
I do not like this news about Andy
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Do you need a hug?
Joe
September 15th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
I think Pete should give out an extra award to Erica for the most comments, Im sure she has made at least %40 of them.
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Nah, I am pretty sure I am not the most frequent poster. I can’t help that I have a painfully boring job
Get that rest Andy. You certainly have deserved it based on how well you have pitched so far this year.
With the big lead in the division and the lead for the best record, nothing wrong with holding a player back to get some rest.
Hopefully the rest is good for Andy, and thankfully if we retain best record he will only need to make 1 important start in the ALDS
I srtongly believe that both AJ and Joba will pitch well in the playoffs.
sure she has made at least %40 of them.
Erica – always OPPC
September 15th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
NYY626
September 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
I do not like this news about Andy
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Do you need a hug?
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I might. I look forward to watching an Andy interview every 5th day ( and obviously him pitching as well
Time to give Gaudin some more time as a starter to see what he can do if Andy can’t go in the postseason.
benny from the bronx(great name to use here):
i hope what you say comes true.
the way a.j. has pitched lately, i’m not sure how well he will pitch in the playoffs.
he has much room for improvement and needs to show results beginning with his next start.
NYY626-
The good news is that he will get rest and come back better than ever. And then when he pitches that perfect game everyone will love him as much as you!
Serge and Gaudin, and pray for boudin
“UPDATE, 4:15 p.m.: Girardi said it’s not serious. They believe this extended rest will “knock it out.””
And Brian Cashman believes it will “knock out” another of Andy’s incentive thresholds.
saucY
I think that after Ichiro won the ROY award, it became evident that you couldn’t fairly compare the best seasoned Japanese veterans to the rookies just making their way to the big leagues over here. Ichiro and Matsui were already at all-star level a few years before they even showed up on this side of the ocean. People just didn’t realize it until they saw Ichiro actually play over here. Never mind judging the level of competition over there, the guy was a SERIOUS player. So Matsui, being another established Japanese superstar, was left out of the ROY when it was his turn. It didn’t bother Matsui at all. He might even have been a little insulted (although silently) if he were seriously looked upon as a mere rookie over here. He went along with the team’s rookie hazing (in mighty fine style I might add) but that was just for fun.
the red sox are going into the playoffs with beckett, lester and buccholtz.
the tigers are going in with verlander , jackson , and porcello.
what are the yankee going in with?
sabathia, a possibly sore shouldered pettitte, and a burnett that gets absolutely hammered every other start.
forget the regular season. i don’t see the yankees being favorites in the playoffs with only sabathia doing well no matter how well they mashed on offense during the regular season.
The same beckett that has been hammered regularly? and the same buchholz that has a career ERA over 5?
Oh lordy.
The same Jackson with an era approaching the norm over his last 2 months? The same Verlander that just got lit up? Porcello, who is 20 years old, has a pitch count/innings limit, and got lit up routinely this season, and by the yankees?
YAWN
Yankees are fine. And should be the favorites. Even if they arent ‘the favorites’ thats fine by me, this team means business.
“And Brian Cashman believes it will “knock out” another of Andy’s incentive thresholds”
good point nick.
andy doesn’t pass on those incentives unless it’s something that really bothers him.
good for him though that he’s putting the team first and trying to get healthy.
Perfect time for Andy to get fatigued…..I’m going to think positive, that he’s going to be ok, lol
On the other hand, LoHud commenter “Alyssa” has already met all her incentive thresholds with just a single comment.
Jerkface -
In a weird sort of way, I actually prefer it if they are NOT the stated favorites. Let all the people who know everything decide that the other teams are in better shape. It’s okay. You have to play the games. And the Yankees have played the games this year and won many, many of them, in a variety of ways.
There are no guarantees in the post season. But this is one of the most encouraging teams we’ve watched (or I’ve watched) in a while.
point taken ANSKY
and lol Nick
randy l -
After reading my post, I realized you might think I meant you or other posters here. I was referring to the “professionals” – the people who make a living on tv and radio who will make proclamations.
Pat, what did Verducci say now? Sheesh, maybe Verdopey can take some shots at Ortiz instead….Alex was the first big name to drop thanks to Selena and he’s still taking the rap for everyone.
“the tigers are going in with verlander , jackson , and porcello.”
Since when is Porcello such an unhittable force? He is giving up more than a hit per inning, and striking out about 1 every 2 innings. Not something to be frightened of. Yes, Jackson and Verlander are very good, and the Yanks rotation looks a bit shaky now, but I guess we will have to believe that a team that is 42 games over .500 can beat a team that is just 11 games over .500. They have had those guys going for them all year and will be lucky to win 88 games.
I will be unable to keep up with the Yankees game tonight because I’m going to listen to Cal Ripken Jr… He’s giving a motivational speech at High Point University
Erica – always OPPC
September 15th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
NYY626-
The good news is that he will get rest and come back better than ever. And then when he pitches that perfect game everyone will love him as much as you!
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Very true. I will try to act like a rational adult about this and not make pouty faces. Anyway, I’m glad he is able to rest. I went to the game when he pitched against the Mets (our only loss against them). When he was walked onto the field before the game, my dad and I both turned to eachother and said “whats wrong with Andy?” He was sweating and looked like crap before he even threw one pitch. He was definitly not 100%.
We’re going to trust Bucholz in the playoffs now?
jerkface
have you checked buccholtz’s last bunch of starts?
without looking .i could be wrong, but i’d say only sabathia of the yankee starters has out pitched him in the last month.
i think too many people are thinking the 100 plus wins means the yankees are a playoff powerhouse.
i don’t see it with the three starters they are going to throw out there.
Doreen-
You raise a very interesting debate.
In the world of professional sports, is it a better advantage to be a “favorite” or an “underdog”???
This may cost Andy $750,000.
Andy gets a $750K bonus if he hits 200 innings for the season.
he’s currently at 178 with 3 starts left. If he averages 6 innings in his remaining starts, he’ll end up with 196 innings.
I wonder the Yanks will give him the bonus anyways, considering how close he’ll likely get to the mark, and in consideration for how well he has pitched or if they’ll say $10.5 million for the season is enough.
LOL Bucholz is a talented pitcher, but seriously – he’s beaten up mostly on the O’s and Blue Jays. I’m quaking at the thought of facing him……….That said, I agree that the Yankees rotation is shaky.
NYY626-
You can pout if you want. I won’t judge.
I might stamp my feet everytime I see a line up without MPB Johnny Damon
How does Buchholz career numbers come into effect? All that matters is what he does this season.
for the fans that are concerned about Andy and his shoulder, give it a rest already. be thankful we don’t need him this week because we are in 2nd place or fighting for the wild card.
we have a big lead and can afford to give players a breather.
Hm I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that you aren’t the ‘real randy’ whoever that may be, but I will humor you.
Have you seen Buchholz for his CAREER? I doubt you’ve seen his stats because you can’t spell his name right. He has torched the Toronto Blue Jays and Orioles. Whatever. He will get played tough when he faces a playoff team, and all it takes is a little nudge to get him off his game.
And we’ll see how far they get trusting a kid with a 5 era.
In a weird sort of way, I actually prefer it if they are NOT the stated favorites.
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I completely understand this. It feels like a jinx when everyone is saying that we’re going to win.
randy – other teams’ pitchers have had their share of problems, also. I’m not about to lecture a former ballplayer about things, but have a little faith. Like Tug McGraw said, ya gotta believe.
The Yankees will be the (betting) favorite in each series, regardless of opponent.
For recreational purposes only, of course.
Remember 1996?
The Yankees were giant underdogs. No one thought they stood a chance against the Braves. And those scrappy Bronx Bombers came out after being down 0-2 and took the next 4 and won the title.
Maybe being an underdog makes you play harder
As people have said… Burnett is the key.
We’re not winning a championship if he pitches like he has lately. If he is good, we are tough to beat. If he is shaky, we have the weakest rotation going into the playoffs and are in trouble.
CC will be fine. Andy will hold his own against other #3 starters. Joba will be on a short hook anyway. Burnett is the key to our playoff hopes.
How does Buchholz career numbers come into effect? All that matters is what he does this season.
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Now if I say, ‘look at his season’, then you’re going to say ‘all that matters is what he has done the last month’, then when he gets lit up by the angels it is going to be ‘what have you done for me lately?’
Buchholz has good stuff but his fastball is hittable and if teams attack him or get guys on base they can get runs and drive up his pitch count.
He has to be able to throw his change and curve for strikes to be able to pitch out of jams because you can take both of those pitches in the dirt due to their good movement while waiting for yet another straight fastball.
Buchholz is ok, playoff savior he is not.
I’m sure if you go through Burnett, CC’s, Andy’s game logs… they would have dominated lesser competition more than better ones as well.
betsy
September 15th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Pat, what did Verducci say now? Sheesh, maybe Verdopey can take some shots at Ortiz instead….Alex was the first big name to drop thanks to Selena and he’s still taking the rap for everyone.
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Sherman, Verducci and Lupica. Three of a kind. All Know-Nothing jerks. Sherman made a decision that it takes 221 innings for a pitcher to be a man…..this was part of his slam at Chamberlain. If that’s the case, he’s about 1 career short of being a man.
I felt at the time that while it would have made for great drama Andy pitching the full nine innings in pursuit of a perfect game in Baltimore would have come at too great of a cost (way too many high stress pitches so late in the season).
I didn’t post anything about it for fear of the on-line beat down, but in retrospect Hairston’s error and the subsequent hit were likely blessings in disguise.
After hearing what Andy said, back to DEFCON 5.
What did Andy say???
“Hm I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that you aren’t the ‘real randy’ whoever that may be, but I will humor you.”
jerkface-
it’s me all right.
i don’t need to look at buchholz’s stats because i’ve watched his games this month .
but if you want stats , a quick look shows 5 runs in his last 4 starts and averaging over 7 innings a start.
the yankees are weak in starting pitching right now. once you get past sabathia what do they have ?
now if burnett can snap out of his funk , things would improve , but right now i’d say buchholz is a much better pitcher at the moment.
Just nod if… -
I know a few other people who felt the same way.
There have been post-season games where pitchers who were supposed to dominate did not, and others who weren’t have. No use in worrying. You really never know what’s gonna happen. Just get there first.
I think being an underdog might make a team play with more of a chip on their shoudler but I do not know this to be true.
Francesa is still on DEFCON 3.
This year alone, Sabathia has outdueled Verlander 2-1, Joba has outdueled Edwin Jackson 2-1, and Pettitte has outdueled Washburn 4-2. Hughes also matched up with Jackson for 6 scoreless innings in a game the Yankees eventually won.
So for everyone who is so concerned about the Tigers’ pitching, realize that the Yankees have already proven they can beat all of those guys in a classic pitcher’s duel.
Even if the Tigers’ starting pitching is slighty better than the Yankees (and that’s very debatable) the Yankees still have a HUGE edge in offense and bullpen, as well as homefield advantage. So I don’t know what people are so worried about. Anything can happen in the postseason, which means you shouldn’t be overconfident, but it also means you shouldn’t be overly pessimistic.
“Burnett is the key to our playoff hopes.”
i would agree with that, but until he pitches well and actually shows he has a chance to win a game he’s a total question mark .
now if burnett can snap out of his funk , things would improve , but right now i’d say buchholz is a much better pitcher at the moment.
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Ok and Burnett was a much better pitcher when he dominated the rays or maybe next start if he pitches well and buchholz gives up runs. You’re playing a dumb game here. Its scare tactics.
Almost all the teams have about 1 pretty reliable starter, and then a bunch of question marks. Thats pitching in major league baseball. You are basically just assuming production from the yankees opponents because you are worried about the yankees, but they all have problems.
All burnett has to do is make 1 good start in the ALDS and you can kiss the opponent goodbye.
Doreen
September 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Just nod if… -
I know a few other people who felt the same way.
There have been post-season games where pitchers who were supposed to dominate did not, and others who weren’t have. No use in worrying. You really never know what’s gonna happen. Just get there first.
I think being an underdog might make a team play with more of a chip on their shoudler but I do not know this to be true.
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The same can be said on the offensive side. Strange things happen in a short string of games, and they happen over and over.
i would agree with that, but until he pitches well and actually shows he has a chance to win a game he’s a total question mark .
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August 7th, 7.2 1 0 0 6 6
August 17, 8.0 6 3 3 2 5
August 27, 6.0 2 3 3 3 12
September 7th, win 6.0 4 1 1 3 8
Get out of here.
The Yanks beat the dreaded Angels and Jared Weaver – who’s a pretty fair pitcher – last night, while starting Joba Rules Chamberlain.
Doesn’t that signify something positive?
This is, without a doubt, the ‘real’ randy l. He’s just getting this predictive nugget into the record because:
1) He probably believes it and
2) He can blame Cashman if the pitching falters in October.
Erica-
on the blue hair extensions- the YES guys and the Kims (jones and Girardi)did a great job promoting the fund raiser, altho I am not sure how helpful that is if you are watching on TV and not attending the game.
There is nothing to fear about Boston except getting sick from the chowdah.
It will come down to our ability to hit with RISP.
Jackson is not unhittable. He is going to walk guys. Can we drive them in?
“i don’t need to look at buchholz’s stats because i’ve watched his games this month .
but if you want stats , a quick look shows 5 runs in his last 4 starts and averaging over 7 innings a start.”
And if Buchholz was on the Yankees, you would preach caution because he has never appeared in a postseason game before and has very little experience.
Also, as good as Buchholz has been, he is just as unpredictable as Burnett. He either pitches lights out, or he struggles mightily. If he dominates in the postseason, then that’s great for the Red Sox. But if he gets himself into a jam or a call doesn’t break his way, you have no idea what to expect. Contrast that with Sabathia, Pettitte, Beckett, and Lester who you know will “gut” their way through any outing regardless of whether they have their best stuff.
joe from long island-
i am having trouble having faith because what i see objectively is a starting staff being at a weak point two weeks before the playoffs start.
i think after sabathia, the top yankee starters are a serious problem right now.
they weren’t the whole year, but they are now.
the little bump in the road with pettitte is not something they needed right now.
upstate kate
September 15th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Erica-
on the blue hair extensions- the YES guys and the Kims (jones and Girardi)did a great job promoting the fund raiser, altho I am not sure how helpful that is if you are watching on TV and not attending the game.
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I saw that YES interview. I am glad they tried to promote it as much as possible
Burnett is just as likely to have a clunker as he is to dominate. That is why you can never feel confident in him UNLESS he is the midst of one if his rolls, which he has yet to get on after July.
At least CC has an extended period of dominance and isin’t a streaky pitcher. Andy you know will battle till the end and you feel confident he won’t beat himself and will handle the pressure. You can’t feel confident with Burnett the way you can the other 2.
He is the ultimate key to our postseason hopes.
GB, I haven’t read Pukica in a dog’s age, but all three are missing a few things that would make them men. Ever since Verdummy torched Cashman for the Torre exit, I’ve lost most of my respect for him. I still read him occasionally because he’s a good writer, but ………..
nick in sf-
forget buchholz, who’s pitching as well as lester right now on the yankees?
you folks need to get real and quit dreaming about how many regular season wins the yankees can pile up.
the playoffs are all about who’s playing the best when they start.
What should we make, if anything, of Phil not throwing his curve lately? That’s been a pretty big topic of conversation on this other board I go too………..
Betsy September 15th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
What should we make, if anything, of Phil not throwing his curve lately? That’s been a pretty big topic of conversation on this other board I go too………..
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Maybe he’s saving it as a surprise for the post-season.
Buchholz has as much postseason experience as AJ Burnett
Experience = overrated
forget buchholz, who’s pitching as well as lester right now on the yankees?
you folks need to get real and quit dreaming about how many regular season wins the yankees can pile up.
the playoffs are all about who’s playing the best when they start.
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Not true, the playoffs are all about who is playing the best IN THE PLAYOFFS. How many hot teams won it all? If they don’t win it all they say, “Oh they got so tired just making it INTO the playoffs to win”. Bollocks! The playoffs are all about executing and performing in the playoffs, any bit of bad luck can kill you. You need things to go your way and thats about it.
The most a manager can do is bring a healthy squad into the playoffs and hope they play up to their expectations.
What should we make, if anything, of Phil not throwing his curve lately? That’s been a pretty big topic of conversation on this other board I go too………..
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I know Sj44 and others didn’t agree, but I think its because opponents are sitting on it. Hughes’ fastball is great, but its not fast enough to just annihilate hitters. Its the late movement. If you look at when he throws his curve, a bunch of hitters have put VERY good swings on it when they do swing at it and connect. Makes me think they are sitting on it, so Hughes will generally just go out and dominate with the fastball and cutter.
He has also thrown a few changes.
I meant Hughes’ fastball is not fast enough where they HAVE to sit on it, they can still try and foul it off if its coming, but that leads to all the swings and misses and oppo-field foul balls you see.
randy,
Which is why it is kind of useless to even talk about it. We have just as good a chance to win a WS as we do get knocked out in round 1.
If we are not hot, we will go out quietly. If the offense is cold or Burnett has a bad game, or CC loses a 2-1 heartbreaker or something… that could be the end. There is only so much to analyze. People who are overconfident should do so at their own caution.
5 game series is VERY flukey. What we did in the regular season means nothing.
In a 7 game series vs. DET, I’m very confident.
Not so much in a 5.
randy, CC is pitching as well as Lester, no? How’s Beckett been lately? Your point is well taken, but we can’t meet our good friends from Boston until the ALCS — if we/they make it. No guarantees the 1′s and 2′s will match up there.
Who knows, our rotation might be CC, Andy, Joba, and then AJ by the ALCS. Or some variation thereof.
I am under no illusions that our pitching is guaranteed to be in top form by the time October rolls around, but I am also not frightened of the likes of Buchholz, Jackson, and Porcello. Not yet, anyway.
If you remember the game against the tigers where Hughes struck out 6 in two innigs relief. He gave up three hits though and those hits were all on his curveball. Hughes is a great young talent but he still needs to work on his secondary pitches for him to be a great starter. His fastball has been electric since he went into the bullpen it wont be that good has a starter.
The 2000 yankees ‘backed into the postseason’ and won it all, and they got some real bad clunkers by their starters.
Clemens gave up 5ER+ in back to back starts before the postseason, got lit up in the ALDS but then went on to glory in the ALCS and WS.
All the yankees need to do is limit their mistakes so that when Burnett throws a gem, they can get paid off.
Did the media wake Andy from a nap to do that interview? He sounds like he’s doped up on cough medicine.
Why is nobody mentioning the offense?
AJ pitched 3 great games this past month – game vs. Beckett, game vs. Texas, game vs. Oakland, and he is 0-2 in those 3 games.
He pitched 2 quality games vs. TEX and OAK and our bats got shut down. That could very well happen again in the postseason.
It takes 2 to tango.
Who is Rookie of the Year?
for anyone who has been too the new stadium.
i went last night .
great game.
everybody was saying who is this guzman guy.a minute later all i heard was this guy is real fast as he was motoring around the bases.
another thing.
when you walk in through the front doors of the stadium & go straight ahead there are big curtains that slow the flow of air blowing through the stadium that i believe was causing all the hr.
it looked obvious when you see how strong the wind is blowing against the curtains towards home plate.
some people consider being impersonated as a badge of honor.
(I am one of them- to a certain extent)
What do Y’all make of posters being accused of immpersonating themselves? (ie Randy1 in this thread)
a good thing
a bad thing
depends
The playoffs don’t start for another two-plus weeks.
Let’s not get too crazed about who’s hot now. It’s who hot and performs in October.
How about we enjoy the team now, and deal with October in October?
Oh, Pete. I knew I should’ve said something before I had to run out the door (duties call). I saw that people were seriously getting on you, and I didn’t want you to think we all felt that way.
I was just teasing you. Goodness gracious, you know we love to talk about the most banal thing. For heavens sake we used to talk about IPK’s eyebrows.
You know I would never (well, rarely) tell you what you can and can’t write about on your very own blog. And I would hope that you would’ve noticed that I’ve defended your right to do so on several occasions.
Thanks and praises for all that you do. Even though we take you for granted, we still appreciate what you do for us.
If things are rough on the work front, just remember we appreciate you more than your bosses do.
In 9 games for Colorado, the Big G is hitting .333 with 6 RBIs and a .625 OBP.
So happy for the Bog G. A stand up guy and class act…
dice k pitching tonight
Heh, just sent my resume out for this gig http://newyork.craigslist.org/.....93369.html
What are the odds I never hear back? 5:1?
Jerkface, I thought Phil had a very good curve……isn’t it sort of dangerous to try and make it with two pitches (FB and cutter)? I don’t want him to lose the feel of it…..
I remember Gammons on ESPN radio last week talking about how the Red Sox bullpen has 3 closers (Papelbon, Wagner, Saito) plus Bard who scouts say is a future closer.
“randy, CC is pitching as well as Lester, no?”
nick in sf-
yes, sabathia is the yankee stud.
i think i’m concerned right now because i’d like to see three yankee pitchers healthy and clicking going into the playoffs.
i’m not seeing it.
it’s really as simple as that.
the yankees have been great this season and definitely the best team, but they are not looking like a team built for the playoffs when they limp into the playoffs with one stud in sabathia and then a sore shouldered veteran in pettitte and an inconsistent stuff guy in burnett who at the moment is in a big slump.
a lot can change in two weeks, but at the moment i’m not feeling starting pitching optimism.
I’m more worried about the offense than the pitching. Nothing too serious, just that we had a recent stretch of games where we could barely scratch 3 runs. Of course, all hell would break loose and we’d score 8 off some scrub reliever or we’d hit a walkoff. As long as we score more than the other guys.
But I think our pitching will be fine.
“All the yankees need to do is limit their mistakes so that when Burnett throws a gem, they can get paid off.”
jerkface-
so you think the yankees have a better chance than any other team ?
with their starters of the moment i don’t.
if we both think they have no better or worse chance than anyone else than maybe we are in agreement while thinking we differ.
i just kind of sorta thought that since the yankees were the best team this year in baseball that they should have some advantage in the playoff crap shoot.
with the starters after sabathia not looking so good right now, i’m thinking their chances are just that of any other team.
that’s kind of disappointing after the year they’ve had.
Who has a better chance of winning tonight? The Yankees or the Angels?
Anyone know how Daisuke’s recent rehab starts went? Thought they might not have gone too well because Gammons has been curiously silent on the topic….
Just fantasizing, but…wouldn’t it be great if the Yanks knocked Doc out in the first inning?
I think it’s important to consider the contributions of bullpen coach Mike Harkey before we discredit the starting pitching’s chances in the post season.
As you already know, he’s quite a large man.
And I’ve also heard he never lets the phone ring twice.
These factors could be instrumental.
“with the starters after sabathia not looking so good right now, i’m thinking their chances are just that of any other team.”
If only we had Brett Tomko…
Cheer up Randy l, we do have the best team, even with our starters in less than their top form. Our offense is a powerhouse as long as Joe Girardi doesn’t decide you can’t be a great manager unless you play small ball…
If you look at the playoff rotation this way…
Sabathia: 3.40 ERA at home
Burnett: 3.66 ERA at home
Pettitte: 3.52 ERA away
Chamberlain: 3.29 ERA away
It looks great, doesn’t it? That is what homefield advantage means to the Yankees. Here’s what not having homefield advantage looks like:
Sabathia: 3.43 ERA away
Burnett: 5.12 ERA away
Pettitte: 4.69 ERA at home
Chamberlain: 5.24 ERA at home
Yikes.
Lou,
I was thinking about it earlier. We gotta knock it out of the park. That’s the only way to beat him. I don’t think he’s even loaded the bases this season (joking of course).
m, you’re more worried about the offense than the starting pitching?
Interesting.
Our offense — particularly when we have our A lineup — is the best in baseball as far as I’m concerned.
The best offense in baseball can get shut down by a dominating pitching performance or sometimes even a non-dominating pitching performance.
So when you say you’re more worried about the offense, what (I think) you’re saying is, you’re worried that what could happen on any given day over the course of the season will happen come October.
How does a team win a game in which the opposing starter is pitching really well? There are a few ways, but this year the most common Yankee way has been to outlast the opposing starter and score in the latter innings.
What will it take for the Yanks to have a decent chance to do that under this scenario? A strong performance by their own starter.
When you say you’re more worried about the offense than the pitching, I think you’re really still more worried about the (starting) pitching than the offense.
Or maybe you’re factoring in Ace and Phil and Mo with ‘the pitching’ — who knows? I’m not a mind reader.
lol @ Torii Hunter. He’s an expert on the Yankees. Still can’t talk about the team without a backhanded compliment or two..
randy I.,
Your problem is that you are ONLY thinking of the starters in the playoffs. Starting pitching is important, but if that was the be all, end all, games would only last 6 or 7 innings. The fact is the Yankees’ starting pitching is probably right on par with the rest of the league (either just marginally better or marginally worse) but they do have a clear advantage in other aspects of the game, including offense and bullpen.
Let’s say Verlander and Sabathia are locked in a pitcher’s duel and it’s 2-2 in the 8th inning. Who do you feel more comfortable with…Hughes, Mo, and the Yankees offense, or Seay, Rodney, and the Tigers offense? THAT is where the Yankees have a true advantage. Also, there’s the little fact that they have a ridiculous record at home and will have HFA throughout the playoffs. That has to count for something.
“Sabathia: 3.40 ERA at home
Burnett: 3.66 ERA at home
Pettitte: 3.52 ERA away
Chamberlain: 3.29 ERA away”
rs-
now those are some stats that sound a bit better.
still need pettitte to be healthy.
so you’re assuming the yankees will take playoff series choice where four starters are used ?
Quit worrying so much.
Actually, the team that most worries me is the Angels, and they’ll have to play the team I most dislike playing, the Red Sox.
The good news is (assuming we beat the Tigers, which might not happen but I refuse to worry about it) either the Angels or the Sox will lose and we only have to play one of them.
RS, Yep I totally agree on the bullpen…when the Yankees were winning all those championships it was because their offense got into the underbelly of the other team’s pen (and our pen was doing their job well)…
Randy the yankees do have an advantage, its going to be homefield and our incredibly balanced offense. If Youkilis or Bay don’t show up for a series, the red sox are done. If their offense doesn’t show up on the road, they are done.
The yankees can win any type of game. We just need to win CC’s starts and then 1 of 3 from Pettitte and AJx2.
Totally doable. The yankees are the best team in the playoffs because of their COMBINATION of pitching and offense and defense and their stadium and bullpen. If you want to say that some other team has a better rotation, whatever, believe what you want, but the Yankees bat like MVP-Rod in the 7th inning and later. And they play relatively mistake free defense.
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Jerkface, I thought Phil had a very good curve……isn’t it sort of dangerous to try and make it with two pitches (FB and cutter)? I don’t want him to lose the feel of it…..
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Betsy: Hughes curve is excellent, but doesn’t generate as much swings and misses as you’d think a curve that good would. It was mildly to pretty effective as a starter when he got his fastball back, but its not a world beater. The problem was looked at on some pitchFX websites and its because Hughes’ mechanics are TOO GOOD. His release point for the curve almost literally NEVER CHANGES. So if a batter is watching that location, they can see the curve coming. Thats why he got alot of fouls on it as a starter.
As a reliever tho I just think they are sitting on it. It would explain why his fastball has become a 16 run value fastball. Which is amazing.
Potato, potato, Nick. We need to outslug the other team, we need to outlast the other team.
I’m not worried about the team at all, to tell you the truth.
But what I was really saying is that I have more faith in our pitching than some of the others here.
But if the starting pitching does falter, we have some pretty decent arms in the pen to lean on until the offense heats up in the later innings like it usually does.
Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup ) Last week I had lunch with the Phillies advance scout who is staying in So. Cal. to scout both the Dodgers & The Angels…..His take on the Yanks and how deep their October run will be determined how they adjust to not having Wang in the rotation come playoff time…..They were able to get thru the season without their # 2 starter, however it can be a glaring hole when you get into a 7 game series…..
Rebecca-
Unfortunately, you’re too talented for Rome’s boring show.
Sorry if Pete or anyone brought this up, but Kepner points out that the Yankees don’t visit FengShui at all during the months of June, July, August, or September.
Sorry if Pete or anyone brought this up, but Kepner points out that the Yankees don’t visit FengShui at all during the months of June, July, August, or September.
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Who in the what now?
Fenway which is in dire need of some feng shui. Things aren’t arranged properly there.
“so you’re assuming the yankees will take playoff series choice where four starters are used ?”
I’m not quite sure yet. I think if Chamberlain finishes the season strong, they’ll have to seriously consider it. He had one of his best starts of the year in Detroit, and they’d likely have Aceves to back him up if something went wrong early (since Aceves is often not needed when the other three pitch).
It’s a tough call because you’d love to have Sabathia go in game 4, but you also don’t want to overwork him. And honestly, I feel more comfortable having Joba start a game against Washburn/Porcello, with Aceves backing him up, then putting him in the bullpen and bringing him out in a possible crucial situation when he hasn’t pitched as a reliever all year.
m, what you’re REALLY really saying is that being worried about our pitching = being worried about AJ first and foremost. Since you’re not going to say that… etc.
“Your problem is that you are ONLY thinking of the starters in the playoffs”
rs-
i think starters take on more importance in the playoffs than the regular season. a couple of lights out starters and a team can run the table.
i do see the yankees advantage in the 8th and 9th inning and in the offense.
i just don’t want to go into the playoffs with only one really good starter.
if pettitte gets healthy and burnett gets out of his slump than things will be looking up.
No, I wasn’t thinking about AJ or frowning at anyone who does.
It’s just a gut feeling…or maternal instinct?
i think starters take on more importance in the playoffs than the regular season. a couple of lights out starters and a team can run the table.
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Tell that to the Braves
The Phillies won in the playoffs with Jamie Moyer and Joe Blanton.
I just listened to the discussion with Andy about his shoulder. How any of you could be concerned to the point of the Yankees’ season being over as soon as the playoffs begin just means you are looking for any excuse to believe they will lose. If you think a vet like Andy can’t pitch through a small shoulder issue (he’s been throwing every day, look what they did with Robertson) for the 6 or 7 starts it will take to end the season and through the playoffs then you have no sense of baseball history. Every starting pitcher has problems by the end of the season, it’s how they deal with those issues that makes them successful in the playoffs. And Andy knows how to pitch and knows how to win in the post-season. That’s a lot better than a guy like Edwin Jackson who hasn’t pitched well in the 2nd half (fatigue has something to do with it, of course) and doesn’t have a track record in the postseason.
Nick,
How about this? I have enough faith in our pitching to perform at a level that our offense can exceed?
There’s a reason they call me the m whisperer.
I have to go dark, enjoy the game!
“Fenway which is in dire need of some feng shui. Things aren’t arranged properly there.”
personally i think they should turn it into a drive in .
Go yankees
“personally i think they should turn it into a drive in”
I miss drive-ins. They’ve all been turned into condos and office complexes around here.
randy,
Drive in theater right? An In & Out Burgers would be okay, too, though.
As of right now, it’s the world’s largest pub.
Professor Al Leiter says Andy is going to be okay.
I can relax now
CC’s season was virtually over to some on this blog when he was pulled after 1 inning against the Marlins with ‘forearm tightness’, I wonder how he managed to win 17 games with that problem.
Swisher needed Coke to point for him.
Good job Cano!
Cano was a long way out on that play. Nice covering.
Wells looks like he’s starting to get hot.
Why would anyone think the Jays have a shot at winning this game? They only have 3 batters who hit .280 or better, and 4 who are under .250. Why would anyone think they have a shot?
Oh, yeah. Halladay is pitching.
I’m sooo tired of “nurse” halladay.
bunt = genius
A hit against Roy Halladay
Jeter….and the rest of them need to steal anything not naoled down, tonight.
Note to self:
Buy MPB Johnny Damon stronger bats for his birthday
naoled down, tonight
And also not ***nailed*** down, too.
MPB Johnny Damon = Awesome Halladay Killer
Oh Johnny. That ankle, hope he’s okay
Somebody get Erica some smelling salts. She’s just fainted.
GreenBeret7
September 15th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Somebody get Erica some smelling salts. She’s just fainted.
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No, I am okay. I swear.
I just ended two days of tormenting debate and decided I really should go to Atlantic City next weekend and booked it!
a little late buts Lets go Yankees!
Erica – always OPPC
September 15th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
GreenBeret7
September 15th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Somebody get Erica some smelling salts. She’s just fainted.
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No, I am okay. I swear.
I just ended two days of tormenting debate and decided I really should go to Atlantic City next weekend and booked it!
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You’ll go to Atlantic City and spend your nights and days in your room, listening to the games.
GB7-
You do not know me at all….
I’ll go to Atlantic City and spend my time drinking and watching the games in a sports bar while flirting with strange men
So, if Teixeira had bunted and managed to move the runners to 2nd and 3rd, could the Yankees have scored a run on Alex’s fly ball?
Just kidding, really. No way do I advocate Teixeira bunting; and Alex’s fly probably wasn’t deep enough anyway, right? I’ll stop trying to incite a riot now.
Top of the order,2 on no outs,next 3 batter out.No runner’s advanced!!
Erica – always OPPC September 15th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
GB7-
You do not know me at all….
I’ll go to Atlantic City and spend my time drinking (pretend drinks) and watching the games in a (pretend) sports bar while flirting with (pretend) strange men
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My post was going to be “Erica, what would Johnny think!” But I think the above is funnier.
Michael Kay makes himself look so dumb. Even I knew that that was a nasty pitch to Matsui. Basically the type of pitch Mussina lived on last year.
Washburn done after 1 Ip , 4 runs allowed , 3 Hits, 2 walks, 1 HR
And I’m sure Detroit fans are not worried about the postseason pitching.
Go Sergio!
Rob B-
Hahahahahahahahaha
However, I never joke when it comes to Atlantic City!!!
Now, let’s try and get some runs off of Doc
Erica – always OPPC
September 15th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
GB7-
You do not know me at all….
I’ll go to Atlantic City and spend my time drinking and watching the games in a sports bar while flirting with strange men
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Erica, I’m just what you’re looking for. I’m as strange as they get.
Mitre 1st,inning 18 pitches 2nd 7 pitches.
Erica – always OPPC
September 15th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
GB7-
You do not know me at all….
I’ll go to Atlantic City and spend my time drinking and watching the games in a sports bar while flirting with strange men
no Phillies fans I hope.
Erica do you have a wind chime collection?
Uncle E-
No, but everytime I was there some PA team seems to be in the playoffs. When I was there in June I watched the Penguins win the Stanley Cup. I was still there that night when Luis Castillo dropped the ball. (I kind of caused it)
GB7-
Duly noted
Uncle Ellsworth (be nice, until it’s not time to be nice)
September 15th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Erica do you have a wind chime collection?
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No. Do I dare ask why you think I would?
Uncle Ellsworth (be nice, until it’s not time to be nice)
September 15th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Erica do you have a wind chime collection?
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Ellie…you dog. Not a thing I can think of to make a joke out of that.
Swisher got lucky there. That was too close for my liking
I hope swish’s hot streak extends into october!
GB7 we need a twins update.
Wild Parties? Sneaking out? What mischief have they been getting into?
Erica – always OPPC
September 15th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Uncle Ellsworth (be nice, until it’s not time to be nice)
September 15th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Erica do you have a wind chime collection?
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No. Do I dare ask why you think I would?
See “Body Heat” starring Kathleen Turner and William Hurt.
A dancing Ted Danson and a young Micky Roarke.
Turner’s character is a fem fatale that takes a clueless William Hurt home to “see her wind chimes”. Hurt never stood a chance – very good movie.
But you need to see Flamingo Kid first
GGBG!
fantastic job by gardy
My eyes must be deceiving me. We do not score of the Doc!
Great comeback after falling behind 0-2. Swisher could have scored on that, though.
Thats a fast man
*off of
Uncle E-
Gotcha. Cute little trick
Gardner = lethal weapon
Nice little hold up slide between 1st and 2nd by Brett
Nice Gardner.
Kudos to Girardi and Cashman for not forfeiting the game tonight when they found out Roy Halladay would be the starter
What is with all these guys holding up? You can tell pretty much off the bat that it’s going to be a hit.
its not halla’s-day!!
yea i know that bad
The Captain! We are getting to Doc tonight
we’re in his head
Brett Gardner — Great Player, or Greatest Player????
I forgive you Johnny because usually you’re the only one that can hit Doc.
S.A.–Serenity Now
September 15th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
GB7 we need a twins update.
Wild Parties? Sneaking out? What mischief have they been getting into?
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S. A., they are getting out of hand. Boys are lining up at the front door for Sidney, girls are lining up at the back door for Anthony. They’ve ruined my killer dog. He gets into the playpen and sleeps with them. Nobody can get near them unless it’s diaper time. He loves the kids, and the kids really seem to enjoy his licks and nuzzles. They have no fear, except for Sidney. She cries at the sound of Michael Kay’s voice and the words Red Sox. I noticed that she’s not real crazy about short adults on TV, either.
There’s somthing about those yanks at home.
They have that mistique.
what’s really funny about this blog is that if Cano had failed to score from 2nd on the Jeter hit he’d be taken to task by about 15 posters. Gardner, though, gets not a single criticism.
Just a little favoritism…
For the record, it’s completely understandable that Gardner didn’t get a good jump on that hit, it was almost directly over his head which made it tough to read, but that’s not the point.
“the kids really seem to enjoy his licks and nuzzles.”
That will help them build natural immunities for parvo and distemper.
I called that in my head unfortunately
I miss Tomko
Lead off walk.
GreenBeret7 September 15th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
S. A., they are getting out of hand. Boys are lining up at the front door for Sidney, girls are lining up at the back door for Anthony. They’ve ruined my killer dog. He gets into the playpen and sleeps with them. Nobody can get near them unless it’s diaper time. He loves the kids, and the kids really seem to enjoy his licks and nuzzles. They have no fear, except for Sidney. She cries at the sound of Michael Kay’s voice and the words Red Sox. I noticed that she’s not real crazy about short adults on TV, either.
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Aw!!!
I can understand little Sidney’s troubles. I also cry at the sound of Michael Kay’s voice.
If I actually see Michael Kay, I run and hide. Just wait till she starts walking. She will run!
nothing like a walk and homer to the 8th and 9th batters in the line-up…Mr. Mitre…
i have mlb extra innings and i have to watch torontos announcers and when snider hit that the announcer called it a Two Run “Slut” lol
I’m not as upset about the homer as I am about the 4 pitch walk and going to the full count pitch to Snyder.
I can’t believe this team still runs this chump out there. Josh Towers couldn’t do worse.
2-2
NYY626
September 15th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
I called that in my head unfortunately
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Don’t make me hiss at you for thinking bad thoughts about MPB Johnny Damon and making them come true!
Mitre’s fielding looking a bit better… of course that wasn’t a throw to 2nd.
Figures he gives back the runs the Yankees built up with one swing of the bat though.
Can’t bear to watch this guy, you just wait for him to give up the runs. Goes 3-2 and risks another walk so he grooves it. Do you think Snider knew he was getting a fastball. Damon DP now looms larger.
Josh Towers over Mitre…Mitre Over Josh Towers….Not much of a choice there….I am not even sure who is worse…
This is my fault-
I have my first major DVR conflict of the season tonight and had to sacrifice watching the game at 8. Everything was going swimmingly when I stopped watching
would rather have Ponson than Mitre.
pat
September 15th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
“the kids really seem to enjoy his licks and nuzzles.”
That will help them build natural immunities for parvo and distemper.
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That’s a great thing to know, Pat. I haven’t had my shots, yet.
Wow tex wow
Teix is going to be hammered for that by Damon.
Ooops
Joe Giradi loves this guy for some reason..It is like when Joe Torre loved Tayon Sturtze or Scott Proctor…can’t figure it out..
How nice of Tex to make Damon feel better about the ole “it’s only 2 outs” thing.
How did I miss the leadoff walk. I didn’t realize it was tied.
Well, no more.
So much for getting to Doc.
How does this guy Mitre keep earning these starts? Beyond the scope of me! I can’t believe there isn’t anyone better than this guy..
Based on Swishers reaction that hit the jetstream
Nice job there Meat tray. Next time hit Lind, don’t pitch to him.
Rats. That was a batting practice homer, right there.
What is with the Yanks, these guys think it’s always one more out and with that another dinger to right.
Don’t make me hiss at you for thinking bad thoughts about MPB Johnny Damon and making them come true!
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I was talking about the homerun! Look above, I said I forgive Johnny for the DP because he usually kills Doc
servin up meal-trays
NYY626
September 15th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Don’t make me hiss at you for thinking bad thoughts about MPB Johnny Damon and making them come true!
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I was talking about the homerun! Look above, I said I forgive Johnny for the DP because he usually kills Doc
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Okay. Hiss revoked
Terry from NH September 15th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
How does this guy Mitre keep earning these starts? Beyond the scope of me! I can’t believe there isn’t anyone better than this guy..
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See Pete’s earlier post on Brett Tomko.
But of course, Cashman never makes a mistake.
Great game against the Angels and then they run this crap out there. Wang a curse upon you for being O for the season again.
I am goign to shower and watch TV until my DVR frees up and allows me to watch the Yankees again!
Catch you all later
why do people get worked up over how mitre pitches? this guy is just fillin up starts till the post-season starts…no bearing on anything, unless you think hes gonna pitch in the post season
Enough Mitre..Okay you convinced me Josh Towers…
The only real way to straighten Meat Tray out is to take him out of the game. Sorry, but he just doesn’t have it.
“UPDATE, 8:06 p.m.: Still think there is no problem with right field? Because that is an out in 29 other ballparks. Jays lead 3-2.”
That should have been an out in this one too.
I’d try that kid Nova down in Scranton. He at least can’t do no worse than Mitre and Nova has better stuff!
Mitre must go.
Erica game 7 2003, I go to get a beer from the fridge and the Yankees begin to rally. My roommates tell me to stay in the kitchen. Eventually, they wheeled the TV out into the hallway so I can watch too. I was standing in the kitchen when Boone hit that HR.
RalphieD (OPPC) September 15th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
why do people get worked up over how mitre pitches? this guy is just fillin up starts till the post-season starts…no bearing on anything, unless you think hes gonna pitch in the post season
Ralph were the Yankees, I think we expect something a little better, that’s why we get worked up
the guy who should be in the rotation is Aceves but it looks like that isn’t in the cards for this year.
That was a terrible pitchout.
Swish could have had that. Miss-timed it.
Pete,
Who cares? Both teams swing at that fence and, judging by the home record, it helps us more than them. Fenway Park has been a joke for 100 years and you don’t hear Sox fans complaining about that.
Mitre,3 rd inning,28 pitches and 3 runs.
even Ponson was never this bad. have the yankees had a guy who sucked as much as mitre and still consistently run him out there to start games for them?
i don’t get it. not like there aren’t options (Towers, even IGAWA), YES IGAWA – he at least had an occassional moment or two
why do people get worked up over how mitre pitches?…because he stinks!
Doc hasn’t looked very interested in pitching tonight, if these runs don’t change his outlook the Yankees probably get rid of him fairly early and should win the game. It’s also possible, of course, that he gets motivated for a win and shuts them down for the rest of the game, we’ll get a good clue this inning.
Mitre makes me sick
Pete,
Who cares? Both teams swing at that fence and, judging by the home record, it helps us more than them. Fenway Park has been a joke for 100 years and you don’t hear Sox fans complaining about that.
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Exactly.
I don’t mind the criticism of right field. But no one in the press EVER criticizes the cheap homers in Fenway.
That was a rocket. Only missing elevation.
From a newspapers in San Fran:
Brett Tomko pitched a five-hitter for his 100th major league win and the A’s dealt a blow to Texas’ playoff hopes on Monday night
Simplest swing hes had the 2nd half of the season? Really John?
Everybody’s whining about the #6A/B starter, but, Halladay isn’t exactly fooling anybody, tonight.
BS
Dang. Takes the wind out of a rally.
Who cares about RF? Both teams have opportunity to hit HR’s there. To answer Pete’s question, no I see no problem.
why does Flaherty act like he is a expert on hitting?
perfect throw and great tag at home.
damn, not much you can do.
He tagged him with the glove and the ball was in his hand.
Dammit, he was safe. Tagged him with his glove.
Amusingly, the Canadian commentators completely glossing over that fact.
matsui should have let the ball hit him
“Ralph were the Yankees, I think we expect something a little better, that’s why we get worked up”
disagree…so what this is the yankees…who do you suggest starts this game then?
why does Flaherty act like he is a expert on hitting?
perfect throw and great tag at home.
damn, not much you can do.
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Except expect umpires to be doing their jobs.
sometimes there can be no blame on a play, Bautista got rid of the ball very quickly and made a strong throw, Barajas made a good play and tag. Give the Jays some credit there.
“why does Flaherty act like he is a expert on hitting?”
Those who can’t do, commentate?
ARod doesn’t have the speed during this recuperative period to make that play.
“Pete,
Who cares? Both teams swing at that fence and, judging by the home record, it helps us more than them. Fenway Park has been a joke for 100 years and you don’t hear Sox fans complaining about that.”
Exactly what I was thinking. How does a short porch in right field hurt the Yankees exactly? They get to tee-off and hit it out of there too, and have plenty of lefties (not to mention Mr. Inside-Out himself Derek Jeter) that seem to enjoy doing so. I think it’s a non-issue really.
Credit for fooling the umpire.. thats about it.
Actually while Fenway is a great hitters’ park (doubles machine) it is not, contrary to popular belief, a great HR park.
Angel, I have the Jays feed, they didn’t show it closely enough to see the ball in Barajas’ hand and not in the glove.
yank this lame
we keep getting 2 hits and no runs….we are beyond wasting precious hits against the doc……stupid!
come on with the meatballs, meatray!
Three dingers off Mitre and counting…
Mitre is throwing BP out there right now…
This frustrating. Halladay is hittable tonight. The YAnks already have 8 hits, yet they left 10 on base.
there’s a kind of a Hush all over the crowd
I could see it. DVR does come in handy for double-checking.
Time to take out Mitre
Another hard hit ball. Let’s have a pool on how many homers Mitre gives up this inning.
“Those who can’t do, commentate?”
And those who can’t commentate?
Blog?
Oh my Mitre!
I think the sub 6.00 ERA is now out of reach. It’s actually rising this game!
Announcement: the Mitre Deathwatch 6.00 game is suspended until further notice.
Dice_K looks very impressive so far vs. The Angels……I’m thinking the Yanks are better off facing the Halos than The BoSox…….Also, the bullpen is Anaheim’s weakness…..
Uncle Ellsworth (be nice, until it’s not time to be nice)
September 15th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
there’s a kind of a Hush all over the crowd
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All over the crowd people just like us are watching the Yanks……
Mitre has given up 21 runs in 17+ innings against the Jays, not exactly a good matchup for him.
Perhaps I’m just too used to YES, where they review/analyze close plays.
WHAT MORE EVIDENCE DO WE F@$@$#^!# NEED?!!?
Tunnel Man
September 15th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
This frustrating. Halladay is hittable tonight. The YAnks already have 8 hits, yet they left 10 on base.
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Please learn to read the box and stat totals properly. NYY has left 4 runners on base.
How long are we gonna have to sit through this
Uh, Joe? Do you think it is time?
It seems like every time Mitre pitches he gives up 5 runs a game.
if Snyder ever makes it to the Home Run Derby he’ll be asking for Mitre to pitch to him…
I’m about sick to death of these stupid Jays announcers. They’re only tolerable when the Jays are losing.
Okay, Girardi needs to act like a manager now, and not like Torre.
I’ve seen enough.
Wow, sickening Angels and Blue Jays.
Where is Angels baseball. 2nd and 3rd 1 out, 2 strikeouts on pitches right down the middle at 91 mph.
Where is choking up on the bat to put the ball in play with 2 strikes. My guess is the Angels really just dont care.
Like this putred Blue Jays team trying not only offensively, but defensively. Where is the utter lack of effort they showed in 6 games against a certain team in August.
Another home run from Snider. What a loser Mitre is. They throw in Paul Byrd and get a good start against the Red Sox minor league team, the Orioles, in his first start.
We throw Mitre in for probably 8 starts, and got one good performance against the White Sox.
What happened to the ground ball pitcher?
Shucks.
They have to take him out in the 4th. Well, offense is going to have to step it up.
Enough of this Meat Tray serving up meat ball.
Nice to take the Yankees out of the game. I really can’t stand watching him pitch anymore.
It is high, it is far, it is gone…. Get out your meter sticks, Mitre measures up another long ball!
Luckily they were just solos. If Mitre comes back out, though, I am turning off the TV.
keep letting mitre pitch…..why not! hes helping the nys homerun case!
hopefully this is Mitre’s last start this year until after they clinch everything, they don’t need him in rotation after tonight.
Looks like it’s not the stadium.
More likely the fact that Mitre is doing his best slow pitch softball impression.
Twisted minds think alike?
Did I read earlier that you will be in Seattle, Bronx Jeers? All 3 games?
We might as well leave in mitre to get pounded.
We already got 8 hits off little Boy against the Red Sox Halladay. We cant expect much more.
Let Mitre’s arm fall off.
They’re only down by three and Halladay’s looked hittable. The game’s not over.
GB7-
you’re a dork.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=290915110
Sinker ball sure isnt sinking. Those pitches are right over the plate.
4 HR’s so far for the Jays.. Crazy to see Lind at 30 and Hill at 32 this season. Those 2 have pretty much been the only offense this season.. Minus tonight of course.
Wait till the ALDS
September 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
They’re only down by three and Halladay’s looked hittable. The game’s not over.
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Thank you.
angels dont care? maybe…they know they can beat the yanks anywhere…in theory!
im sure they WANT hfa, but who knows.
as per meat tray…..DFA!
Doreen
September 15th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
What happened to the ground ball pitcher?
Shucks.
They have to take him out in the 4th. Well, offense is going to have to step it up.
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That means bringing in Towers, and career-wise, he’s not much different than Mitre, Gaudin or Tomko.
Joe Girardi postgame comments tonight: THEY ARE GOOD HITTERS, SERGE MADE A FEW BAD PITCHES/I BELIEVE IN SERGE, SERGE WILL START NEXT TIME OUT etc etc.
frkn pollyanna/baghdad bob routine is really old now.
I don’t think Tomko is smiling about much of anything tonight. His arm is in a sling with nerve damage, after waking up with pain this morning. Even his body can’t handle him pitching this well.
when the sound of opposing line drives is so loud you need to turn down the tv, you know it”s time the pitcher has to go.
we just gift wrapped a 3 run lead to hallady.
Andrew dice-k pitching a shut out against angels..urgggh.
Please stop the pain , Why do we have to see Mitre, he should be on an amateur team.
His fighting for one of the worst yankee pitchers in history.
Wow, this will followed by Gaudin tomorrow …… should be a long flight to Seattle.
Wow, that’s not a triple?
Give this bum Halladay a 3 run lead against the Red SOx and it’s walk, single, 3 run homer.
Roy Halladay’s face looks like an animal with his hat down. I just cannot figure out what animal.
Sterling is Killing me.
Swish is awesome
Nick swisher is hot right now.
The Damon-ator September 15th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Joe Girardi postgame comments tonight: THEY ARE GOOD HITTERS, SERGE MADE A FEW BAD PITCHES/I BELIEVE IN SERGE, SERGE WILL START NEXT TIME OUT etc etc.
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Yeah but give Girardi a break. Sergio is handsome and GI joe has a bromance going.
Tunnel Man
September 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
GB7-
you’re a dork.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=290915110
RBI – D Jeter (64), B Gardner (22).
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out – H Matsui 1.
GIDP – J Damon.
Team LOB – 4.
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And, you’re looking in the wrong spot at the wrong numbers, Lightning.
Can we please start a rally, a *really* good rally?
Joe Girardi postgame comments tonight: THEY ARE GOOD HITTERS, SERGE MADE A FEW BAD PITCHES/I BELIEVE IN SERGE, SERGE WILL START NEXT TIME OUT etc etc.
frkn pollyanna/baghdad bob routine is really old now.
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I think a manager who has his team in the position the Yankees are in, is entitled to say whatever the hell he wants in a postgame.
Just sayin’.
Gardner is just way over matched here.
Moronic Toronto coverage did not show replay of Swisher double. Did it bounce off the wall, the top of the wall or what?
I’ll return when the children go to bed. More stupidity. Planned Parenthood is a good idea.
Jim Pir-one-
you have to remember, everyone and every team gets up when the audition for us. It’s like they’re roll up an entire “contract year” into each at bat/pitch.
terpbomber: is your name Kevin Riley?
Off the Gatorade sign
mitre has a 7.40 era, why is he pitching??
the Toronto coverage seems more interested in NHL exhibition games than in this one…
I think Guzman is faster than Gardner
GB7
Good riddance. you’re disgusting.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
September 15th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Joe Girardi postgame comments tonight: THEY ARE GOOD HITTERS, SERGE MADE A FEW BAD PITCHES/I BELIEVE IN SERGE, SERGE WILL START NEXT TIME OUT etc etc.
frkn pollyanna/baghdad bob routine is really old now.
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I think a manager who has his team in the position the Yankees are in, is entitled to say whatever the hell he wants in a postgame.
Just sayin’.
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Joe Girardi did a great job managing last year and this year, but his handling of the media last year, particularly with injury issues and how it put players in uncomfortable spots etc was a joke, and the pollyanna routine this year and last year is a tired act – Torre never pulled the Baghdad Bob routine to the extent Girardi does.
Tunnel Man -
I’m aware. But the Red Sox are no different from us. they spend an exorbitant amount of money, among other things.
Why dont people get up to face them? They have more world series in the decade than we do.
LOL. You were wrong, and he’s disgusting?
Sheesh.
“I think Guzman is faster than Gardner”
too bad guzman makes gardner look like jeter with the bat though…
top of the 6th LAA-0 BOS-0
Joe Girardi could get up and start talking about what he’s having for dinner and the interesting things his cat does in postgame if we keep winning.
Jim Pir-one
Who wouldn’t want to get up to face Mitre?
Tunnel Man
September 15th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
GB7
Good riddance. you’re disgusting.
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why, because he showed your ’10 left on base already’ was bs? I’m not sure you’d want to say that to his face either.
Wow, that was intense. The Unit. I’m trembling.
Teams DO get up to face them. If you’ll notice they have less wins than us. They missed the playoffs as recently as 2006.
Youre not going to see Joe Girardi go all LaRussa or Gullen and throw his players under a bus. It’s just not his style.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.
Its a given that Mitre is not going to see a spot on the post-season roster, so what’s wrong with Girardi looking for positives? The guy isn’t out there trying to fail on purpose. Or should Girardi operate by the kicking a man when he’s down MO? I can’t imagine you get much out of your players consistently, if you’re always doing that.
Range.
Range
when Tomko was with the Yankees he was subjected to at least 50 posts a day on this blog either calling him ‘garbage’ or wanting him DFA’d. Now he’s the one who got away, what hypocrites.
*Guillen not Gullen.
“can’t go to left? my fanny!
John Sterling 9/15/2009
John Lackey had enough of his team’s lack of effort offensively, throwing a ball away to assuredly end the game.
all i want from Girardi is he get over his mitre infatuation and stop guaranteeing his next start a mere few minutes after his latest crapfest or the hat tipping and saying a guy played well when he flat out sucked and reality states otherwise.
“can’t go to his left? my fanny!”
John Sterling 9/15/2009
Uncle E – that’s gotta be the best thing Sterling’s ever said right?
Tomko is probably out for the rest of the year with an injury (close to it as he only has 3 starts left) so I doubt hes laughing at anything.
Carl -
Who would not want to get up to face Dice-K and his 100 pitches in 5 innings.
Apparently, not the Angels, Orioles, or Blue Jays.
red sox bunt twice in a row . one for a hit and the second one creates an error and a run on a bad throw.
they didn’t give up any outs.
Jim Pir-one
How many Type A free agents have the ‘Roid Sox signed during the Theo era? Damon and Manny were pre-theo signings. And I don’t know if JD Drew was a Type A, while I’m pretty sure Matt Clement was not.
Tunnel Man -
I have no idea. But what I do know is that the Red Sox had 24 of their 25 man roster on steroids in 2004.
NYY626
September 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Uncle E – that’s gotta be the best thing Sterling’s ever said right?
nah, he’s had better I think. I still kinda like him when he’s not blowing calls.
randy l. September 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
red sox bunt twice in a row . one for a hit and the second one creates an error and a run on a bad throw.
they didn’t give up any outs.
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OMGZ !1!!1
Theo’s and Bill James’ team just bunted consecutively!!!!
Will theo and Bill James get one of the analyst to explain to Tito that that’s bad sabremetrics.
Nick,
No I’m just going to Sat’s game. I’m visiting my dad. He’s a big fan but it’s just too much of a hassle to get to Safeco from where he lives.
Jim Pir-one September 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Carl -
Who would not want to get up to face Dice-K and his 100 pitches in 5 innings.
Apparently, not the Angels, Orioles, or Blue Jays.
He hasn’t even pitched since june/july. He had like a 7 era so a lot of people did.
Mitre does not focus when he thinks it’s gonna be easy:
Snider- 2 HRs- only 6 before today, batting .222 before today
Encarnacion- HR- batting only about .200 before today
Lind got the other HR- He’s the only one of the three with HRs that is a strong hitter.
Ughhhhh, please make these idiotic commentators stop.
nah, he’s had better I think. I still kinda like him when he’s not blowing calls.
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I like him too. I just can’t believe he used the word “fanny”
Wait til the ALDS -
Clarification: Certain teams dont get up to face them.
2006: I believe they were riddles with injuries
Also, just because they lose games doesnt mean the other team “got up to face them.” It goes the other way around too. Just because we beat the Orioles 10 straight times, it doesnt mean they did not give their maximum effort against us in all 10 games.
NYY626
September 15th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
nah, he’s had better I think. I still kinda like him when he’s not blowing calls.
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I like him too. I just can’t believe he used the word “fanny”
unconventional and more entertaining than most of the radio guys out there
Bronx Jeers: there’s a small but greater-than-zero chance I’ll be up there. If so, I’ll let you know.
# Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing September 15th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Ughhhhh, please make these idiotic commentators stop.
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I can help you there. You see that button with “mute” printed on it?
This is why all the worrying over the Angels is for naught.
They can’t handle power pitching and they can’t win in Fenway. Dice-K is the Red Sox fourth best pitcher, and they’re basically powerless against him.
Even with Abreu, they don’t have the type of lineup that can overcome the Red Sox power pitching.
I wonder if we’ll see Brandon League for multiple innings if the Jays have a lead?
We probably wont be seeing Jansen/Janssen or Roenicke if the Jays have a lead.
I could be wrong.
I just engaged it, Rob.
I couldn’t take it anymore, lol. It was especially intolerable every time A-Rod came up to bat.
rconn23 -
Dice-K’s 90 mph fastball that struck out 2 batters after the Angels had a runner on 3rd with less than 2 out was SHEER POWER.
But you are right. The Angels couldnt bother to try their hardest in one playoff series against them. My hope is the Angels will step up and beat them when it counts, but realistically, not going to happen.
LAA-0 BOS-2
Uggh — we are blowing all of our chances.
god help us when Posada doesn’t come up with a big hit because then all the idiots saying he sucks, never hits in the clutch, and the whole “THIS is why he’s catching instead of xxxxx” BS starts up at full volume
haiku-man September 15th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
LAA-0 BOS-2
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Oh, wow. I can’t believe the S*x have that huge lead after 6 innings. There is just no way at all that the Angels can come back. Whoa is us. Whoa is us. Boo hoo.
either 2 things will happen from here on out, Halladays breezes through and finishes the game off throwing a CG with 120 pitches despite being at 100 after 5, or Cito leaves him out for the whole 9 yards while he throws 160 pitches and racks up K’s.
be nice if the Yankees could get a shot at the bullpen.
The Angels took at least 10 straight pitches yesterday at one point.
Have the Angels ever taken 5 straight pitches against the Red Sox?
wow they sure are bullying Leiter tonight!
Jim Pir-One.
Looks like the Halos will get swept in the ALDS. They’ve got no heart.
That’s cool. I want the ‘roid sox in the ALCS.
halladay at 98 pitches, we have one more inning against him.
Good thing Halladay IS AT 98 PITCHES after 5 innings !!
Joe still stays with Mitre. guess he feels the game wasn’t far enough out of reach? what does Mitre have on Girardi?
Why is Mitre still in this game??
Ha, that’s what you get for going deep on Mitre!
I’m sooooo tired of sergio valentie mitre.
I guess Mitre has to take all the lumps so the bullpen won’t have to.
Girardi is a putz.
Tunnel Man -
They’ve got all the heart in the world if they’re facing us in the playoffs.
I’ll clarify your comment: they have no heart against the Red Sox in the playoffs.
Juan Rivera gets a 2-0 count as the tying run and he’s up there hacking. Where is the patient ABs and Angels baseball.
Super-bold prediction time: Angels beat out the Red Sox in five games during the ALDS.
That’s right. I’m calling it.
well, this game is done. We’ve come back from many games but we’re not coming back tonight.
really?
Edwar is coming in. This should be an upgrade.
//sarcasm
What exactly does “Angels baseball” mean?
To me, it’s lose against the Red Sox in the playoffs, beat the Yankees anytime, most imporantly, in the playoffs.
girardi is sick in the head. ignorant
It’s frustrating how Girardi gives Mitre such a long rope. At most he should have gone batter to batter with him in this inning. One baserunner and he’s out. Instead it’s 6-2 and the Jays are threatening for more.
The Yankees were still very much in this game at 5-2 with Halladay closing in on 100 pitches. Now he might as well take all the regulars out and give them another day of rest.
Wait till the ALDS September 15th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Super-bold prediction time: Angels beat out the Red Sox in five games during the ALDS.
That’s right. I’m calling it.
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Nah. Beckett and Lester win games 1 and 2 in Orange county & Clay closes them out at home. Halos = gutless.
What the hey did he put Edwar in for? He’s obviously given up on the game.
“This is Edwar Ramirez” and “trying to keep this 6-2″ seem like contradictory statements, Mr. Kay.
oh great, Edwar Ramirez. why not? if you’re going to suck tonight might as well do it in epic fashion
its a shame that mitre couldnt of kept this close…it would of been interesting to see the yanks get into that pen in a close game…its not gonna be close now
Why is Girardi sick in the head?
Because he thinks that if Mitre gets enough starts, he might give us a good pitching performance or two.
With Boston winning and Gaudin going tomorrow, the lead looks a bit less safe. If the scores today hold the lead in the loss column is five. No, I am not in panic mode, but neither am I in we have it in the bag mode. Ask the Mets, Cubs or Phillies over the years. The Red Sox schedule for the rest of the year is pretty easy while the Yankees go to Anaheim and Seattle.
you would think he would go to albaladejo before edwar
I guess Girardi has given up on this game by bringing in Edwar.
ET go home!!
What a brutal game. Just brutal.
Maybe Edwar will walk a few in and this can be one of those 12-2 games where the regulars all go home early. Get ready Dunn . . .
Jim,
You’re irrational paranoia about everyone laying down for the Sox is just nuts, but then again, you know that.
Give the devil his due, Matsuzaka looked good tonight and his fastball was sitting at 93 tonight.
The Sox are a terrible matchup for the Angels and always have been.
Ed Whitson > Hideki I-Rob-U > Handsome Sergio Meat-tray
Come on, Edwar, make us choke on our pessimism!
And here’s another thing I don’t get. Unless it’s the 7th inning and Coke, Marte, Robertson, or Aceves is warming up, why would you ever let the pitcher get himself into a jam for the middle relievers to have to work out of?
The scrub relievers should only be called on to pitch a fresh inning because they can’t handle inherited baserunners. Since Mitre was unlikely to pitch a clean 6th inning, Girardi should have just gone to Ramirez to start the inning.
Yeah, Pete. I’m sure Brett Tomko is laughing it up with a last place team in Oakland.
I’m sure he wouldn’t want any part of being with a team well on their way to 100+ victories.
The only thing this does for Tomko is increase his market value a tad and maybe finds a job somewhere in the NL next season.
Sometimes Pete tries too hard to make a funny and ends up not making a whole lot of sense.
Good throw by Swish.
Posada was out of position on that good throw home by Swisher. He was behind the plate instead of in front of it.
I would LOVE to ask Girardi how he decides what games are spring training and which are treated as real games..? Yesterday was a real game and today is obviously not. Just a joke leaving Mitre in way too long and now Mr. batting practice. I just don’t get it. Towers should get Mitre’s next start. Not a good way to show your team that you have given up. Also doesn’t a player have to produce to get more chances? Mitre is getting a free ride for a reason I haven’t figured out yet
THAT is the biggest issue with Jorge behind the plate. He’s afraid to get hit.
I call that a huge success for Edwar. He has earned his post-game training table nibble.
rconn -
I just think some teams dont perform at maximum effort against the Red Sox.
From what little I saw, Matsuzaka was throwing 90-91 mph and guys were swinging right through it. A night earlier, I remember Slobby Blobby Abreu ripping a 3-2 94 mph fastball off Hughes right up the middle for a professional hit.
The only problem the Angels present to the Red Sox each year is that they’ll only give the Red Sox 1 home game in the playoffs to sell out
Great job by Edwar.
Why are people getting on Girardi for starting Mitre?
All those amateur GMs out there need to give Girardi a call and tell him who to start instead when he’s got limitations on Joba, he’s skipping Pettitte’s next start, and Gaudin is pitching tomorrow.
Last I checked, they don’t have Ron Guidry rotting away in the minors or the pen waiting for his chance to shine.
There is nobody else. Period. You can’t replace Mitre right now when there’s nobody to replace him.
austinmac
September 15th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
With Boston winning and Gaudin going tomorrow, the lead looks a bit less safe.
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Everybody on the board said that the AL East race was over.
Doesnt that mean the race is over???
Will they get panicked if the Red Sox pull within 4 in the loss column? Let’s hope it doesnt get down that far to see.
Dear Joe,
I have a name you can add an “e” to the end and make a cute nickname, plus I’m good-looking. How about you give me a shot as the 5th starter?
Cano skews the odd looking hits v. runs total even further
Yanks have hit Halladay hard in very inning. Too bad Girardi allowed Mitre to let the game get out of hand. It must frustrated the batters so much. They have the extra guys in the bullpen use them!!
Jim Pir-one,
Go away. Stop with the BS. You’ve made your bed with all your insanely ridiculous Red Sox paranoia.
Congratulations. Everybody thinks you’re certifiably nuts.
And you wonder why people attack you. You continue to go on and on about nonsense and people are sick of reading it.
Just stop.
You just knew Swish was going to fan. Either he gets a homer/double or he strikes out.
Why bother getting on base,no body will bringing you home. tonight.Sergio is awful JOE!
There is Blobby Abreu swinging at the first pitch.
Nick,
keep me posted.
Giuseppe Franco-
I’m not getting on GI Joe for starting meat-tray, I gettin on him for leaving him in after meat-tray served up his 4th homer.
I don’t care who’s pitching when. The division race is over.
replace mitre in the rotation with towers, even Igawa couldn’t be worse.
Towers should be given a chance. It definitely wouldn’t be hard to match what Mitre is doing out there.
100 pitches of fun… September 15th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Towers should be given a chance. It definitely wouldn’t be hard to match what Mitre is doing out there.
Gaudin is going tomorrow. We might need him then.
One bad West Coast trips and this “locked up” division could turn into an ultimate disaster. If the Angels don’t give Boston a challenge, who will?
angels still have not scored.
Igawa will never get an opportunity to pitch in the majors with the Yanks again. Forget it.
Josh Towers isn’t stretched out. At best, he might be able to give them 50-60 pitches.
after tonight, the lead is 6 games in loss column.
with 3 games vs. LAA and 3 vs. Sox, anything can happen.
Am I the only one notices that their bats are not as hot as 1 week ago?
Are people seriously freaking out this much about a sergio mitre start? News flash…the team has won 93 games this season. They are gonna win the AL East and most likely have home field through out the playoffs. Get a grip.
12 base runners and 2 runs. more clutch AB’[s by the yanks.
Mitre with the stellar 7 ERA, he sucks.. BTW Tomko sucks also so he was no answer wither.
why pitch serge in the 5th???Saving the pen? really saving Melancon, towers, and others for when?
Shocking Cano got a hit with no one on base, what a suprise….
No glasses for Edwar this year?
Bronx Jeers: I will. It’s all pretty remote, but I have to travel up to the top of California, it would only be another… 9 hours to Seattle. Do we know who’s pitching Saturday/Sunday? My brain hurts too much to think it through.
Mike -
Makes a lot of sense.
But these arrogant Yankees fans assume it’s in the bag.
This was about easy a win for the Sox tonight as it could have been.
I’ve seen the Jays and Orioles put up more effort against us than the Angels have tonight vs. the Sox.
What happened to bad teams packing it in in August and September.
IF the angels lack effort against them, who is going to step up in their remaining schedule other than us.
My god you people are like Jekyll and Hyde…On nights they’re winning they are a special team, but when they are losing everyone is paranoid they are going to blow the division and home field…it’s unbelievable.
If I had paid to watch this game I would be asking for my money back. Girardi seems content to throw this one out as a loss.
CC – Andy & prey for rain
I told everyone to stop thinking about the Angels. They can’t beat the Sox even when they have a better team. They show no heart or determination when they face the Sox.
The Yankees need to focus on the Tigers and the Red Sox if they want to make it to the World Series.
on the other hand, I hope they play the last 3 games vs. boston with 100% effort to keep sox out of playoff.
“One bad West Coast trips and this “locked up” division could turn into an ultimate disaster.”
Ultimate diasaster? It’s baseball.
Amazing once again Girardi brings in Melancon with guys on base. I just don’t get it. Does Girardi know how bad the Jays bullpen is? Scoring 5 runs against them would be very, very easy to do. The decent bullpen should be pitching, even Alba is better than batting practice.
pat September 15th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
No glasses for Edwar this year?
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I think they said he had lasik eye surgery. Clearly that did something to his arm. That or he just has always sucked.
Who knows, maybe the Angels will come back against Pap in the 9th.
Anything’s possible, when you put forth max effort
I’ll never root for the Red Sox outright but it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to see them take 2 of 3 against the Angels.
The division race is over. Has been for weeks. The Red Sox have too much ground to make up with so few games and they haven’t been a good road team all season.
The Angels are the bigger threat right now since the Yanks are vying for home field.
joeman
Can you at least wait till the playoffs to see what will happen. The Tigers back-end of the rotation doesn’t look to good to me especially based on Washburn’s effort tonight, and Edwin Jackson’s regression.
Anything can happen in October.
knowing the problem they were going to have with Joba with IP how did they not go out and get a solid #3-4 SP to work with instead of this garbage
Jeremy -
You better cut out that delusional Red Sox paranoia
joeman September 15th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
CC – Andy & prey for rain
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Meh, you’re the same guy who said the Yanks would be 8 or 9 games out by Memorial Day.
So forgive me if I roll my eyes at your continued nonsense.
Jeremy September 15th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
joeman
Can you at least wait till the playoffs to see what will happen. The Tigers back-end of the rotation doesn’t look to good to me especially based on Washburn’s effort tonight, and Edwin Jackson’s regression.
Anything can happen in October.
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last time they got anything out of AJ or Joba was when ?????
How do the Angels pitchers line-up 1-4?
Giuseppe Franco September 15th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
joeman September 15th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
CC – Andy & prey for rain
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Meh, you’re the same guy who said the Yanks would be 8 or 9 games out by Memorial Day.
So forgive me if I roll my eyes at your continued nonsense.
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at least I gave you something to remember me by,even though it might have been crap
# Christina- Pictures of the Girardi and A-Rod ejection + Leiter’s Sock September 15th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
pat September 15th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
No glasses for Edwar this year?
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I think they said he had lasik eye surgery. Clearly that did something to his arm. That or he just has always sucked.
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I’m pretty sure I saw Edwar in a Lasik eye surgery ad in the paper recently…
Hey Pete, I’m sure Brett Tomko is having a laugh somewhere while he’s holding his right arm on a last place team.
looks like sox only ‘loses’ to yanks these days…
“I’ll never root for the Red Sox outright”
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Why the dislike of the Red Sox?
I would certainly root for them if they were eliminated from playoff contention and we needed them to beat a team for us.
JZ September 15th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
looks like sox only ‘loses’ to yanks these days…
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well that works for me
Abdababdaserser September 15th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
If I had paid to watch this game I would be asking for my money back. Girardi seems content to throw this one out as a loss.
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Pete was right.
Last night with the bunting and today with the Meat-tray, Girardi is incompetent.
Bring in LaRussa.
Joeman did you forget about the series in Tampa ? Do you just focus on the negative ?
We dislike the Sox because they are our most hated rivals and have been for many, many years.
oh, my bad, 5 games in loss column, not 6.
Look at the Blue Jays and their tack on runs.
Tack on runs is a concept not known by the Jays, Orioles, or Angels when facing the Red Sox.
win one & lose one they’ll be OK
Red Sox are playung like what, .800 ball since we swept them 4 straight?
They never lose anymore. Our lead is about to be down to 5.
We have 26,
they have 6 or 7.
The Red Sox are not even in the same boat as the yankees.
Why does anyone even care about the Red Sox, aside from their arrogance, scumbaggery, and their ability to get handed things?
So much for my hope for a good Mitre and and not so good Halliday. Maybe the Yanks can do some damage to Toronto’s bullpen(a guy can be hopeful, can’t he?)
The Yanks have CC vs King Felix as probables for Sat which I’m considering an upgrade because they had AJ listed earlier today.
Nothing yet for Sun but I would think Joba gets the nod.
SF to Seattle? Driving? Well the beers are on me for sure if you’re brave enough for that.
I wish they sweep the final 3 games vs. boston.
yeah, I do hate RedSox, 100%
Let’s face it – Jorge called an awful game.
This one isn’t on Mitre. It’s Jorge’s fault.
Jim Pir-one September 15th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Why the dislike of the Red Sox?
I would certainly root for them if they were eliminated from playoff contention and we needed them to beat a team for us.
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It’s one thing to hate the Red Sox and another thing to consider them Nazis who have taken over the world of sports and taken advantage of the powerless who simply cannot find it in themselves to put forth their maximum effort simply because they are facing the Red Sox.
One is the norm for Yankee fans and the other is pure insanity demonstrated by you every time you decide to ramble nonsense on this board.
Joeman
Hold of the predictions because they don’t mean anything. This team is good. Just because Mitre sucks tonight doesn’t change anything. Everyone knew that the Yankees were going to lose.
Saying that the division is over at this point is very stupid. Yanks have Mitre, Gaudin and a 4 inning Joba in the rotation. They still have 3 more games in Anaheim where they never win and King Felix in Seattle. 3 against Boston and the Sox have a VERY easy schedule.
Giuseppe -
And yet I’d root for them to win “outright” if it helped our team.
More like Eureka, CA to Seattle… I think I will most likely not do it, though it would be cool to see the team in person again this season, especially a CC game. And Joba? Sure.
100 pitches of fun… September 15th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Saying that the division is over at this point is very stupid. Yanks have Mitre, Gaudin and a 4 inning Joba in the rotation. They still have 3 more games in Anaheim where they never win and King Felix in Seattle. 3 against Boston and the Sox have a VERY easy schedule.
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Never mind the Red Sox can’t win consistently on the road.
They can’t play the rest of their remaining games at Fenway.
Will people stop worrying about the division. This thing will go back and forth where the Yankees will win some the lose some and the Red Sox wil win some and lose some. The Yankees would have to go on a long losing streak to blow this and I don’t see that happening.
Well, it would seem that sometimes, working late has its advantages, as it saved me the anger and frustration of watching this game.
Sergio Mitre is legitimately one of the worst players in baseball. I know he’s the 5th starter, but 5th starters are allowed to have ERA’s near 5, not 8. I honestly hope that once Andy is rested, Gaudin takes the 5th spot because, quite frankly, I’m sick of seeing Mitre fumble through games and give up home run after home run. It’s pathetic, and embarrassing. He turned in a couple good games for us, including an improbable combined one-hitter. We’ve squeezed that fruit dry, and now it’s time to throw away the rind.
Part of my belief is that certain teams, the Angels for example, fear the Red Sox, like they are special.
How do the Bills fumble away the game last night. Simply fear. The Bills played a great game, and then when it counted, their fear took over.
Hate to steal words from Skirt Schilling, but the red sox and patriots have this “mystique and aura” and I do not know why.
6 or 7 world series, and 3 cheated to win Super Bowls.
Donnie,
Give Girardi a call and let him know who to replace Mitre with in the rotation.
You can’t replace someone when there’s nobody to replace him.
Seems to me that Mitre has not only pitched himself out of the rotation, he’s pitched himself off the post-season roster.
Some of you give too much credit to the Red Sox. You act like pre-2004 Red Sox fans. Just because the Sox are beating the Angels doesn’t mean they can’t be stopped. And the Sox own the Angels, always have and always will.
Come on Posada
Posada can’t catch…he has to catch those!
Jim,
You may want to stop with the amateur psycho analysis because you have no idea what you’re talking about.
You cannot possibly know anything about their mental state, but everyone on this board knows a lot about yours.
How do u miss 2 pitches in a row posada?
Giuseppe Franco-
take a look at Boston’s road schedule. Aside from three in the Bronx, it’s a cake walk.
Those three games beginning next friday will determine the division.
I’m thinking we’ll go into the series with a two game lead.
Giuseppe Franco,
The teams they play are so bad it doesn’t matter if they play them at home or on the road. Besides the Angels and Yankees series they play Balt, Jays, Royals and finish with 4 games at home against the Indians. The Royals stink, Baltimore and the Jays never beat them and the Inidans have gone home for the season. They won’t lose a lot of those games.
Jim
“Hate to steal words from Skirt Schilling, but the red sox and patriots have this “mystique and aura” and I do not know why.”
When did Schilling say that ?
And what mystique? Now the Sox have mystique because they can tur pop flys in to hits and homeruns of the Green Monster. Give me a break !
Haven’t been around in awhile, hope everyone here is doing well.
I see some things never change. Fretting over the division lead, calling for Mitre to be pulled from the rotation, Red Sox conspiracy theories, etc. Funny stuff.
They have a 5+ game lead in both the division AND best record race. There are roughly 15 games to go after tonight.
I’d just enjoy these games for what they are. I’m going to be much more nervous a few weeks from now when the games really matter again.
Are you kidding me? This division race is over.
on August 15th, the Yanks led the division by 7 1/2 games.
it has taken them a month to gain 1 game in the standings.
does anyone honestly believe they are suddenly going to make up 6 1/2 games in a 16-game stretch?
How many times have I heard fans for weeks say that the lead was going to shrink at that time and it didn’t happen. The Yankees will continue to play good basebal and if the Sox do then it’s better for the Yankees because they will keep playing good baseball.
Stevie September 15th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Giuseppe Franco-
take a look at Boston’s road schedule. Aside from three in the Bronx, it’s a cake walk.
Those three games beginning next friday will determine the division.
I’m thinking we’ll go into the series with a two game lead.
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Don’t care what the record of their opponents is.
The Red Sox went to Chicago last weekend and lost 3 of 4 games against a bad team.
They have not had a record above .500 on the road all season long.
It doesn’t take much to get the bridge jumpers in a panic mode. The Yanks will be fine.
observations. melancon in the minore threw a very high % strikes, what happen to him??
Thank g-d Posada can hit becasue he is a butcher behind the plate…
this give up crew is a joke in how Girarid uses it.. They should have taken out Sergio after 4 and tried to hang in there….
the sux are not winning the division so troll losers get a life.
I want the real Melancon to arrive, throw strikes……
I just nodded.
I don’t see the Red Sox catching the Yankees, but I don’t see Texas catching the Red Sox (or the Angels) either.
Yanks vs. Tigers, Sox vs. Angels, play ball!
the usx troll losers usually show up after one of these performances. these are the same morons who panic or celebrate after game 25, they were the people concerned about Toronto about 3 months ago…………
Another thing you guys are failing to comprehend is the fact that the Sox aren’t going to kill themselves to try and overtake us.
Once (if) they clinch the wildcard they’re going to take their foot off the gas, rest guys, things like that.
I doubt they’re going to reconfigure their rotation for the season ending series against the Indians on the chance they can “overtake us”, the possibility of which is actually quite laughable.
Some of you really need to chill out.
Wait till the ALDS September 15th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Are you kidding me? This division race is over.
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Yanks face the Halos three times next week in Anaheim. Give their past history, there’s a good chance the Yanks could get swept. Their lead would then shrink to 2 games right before they fly home to face the ‘roid sox.
So no. the division isn’t over.
well this is entertaining…
Giuseppe Franco September 15th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Donnie,
Give Girardi a call and let him know who to replace Mitre with in the rotation.
You can’t replace someone when there’s nobody to replace him.
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Like I said, once Pettitte is rested up, CC, AJ, Andy, Joba, Gaudin. I’m no second guessing Girardi. You go to war with what you have, and this is what he has. I’m simply acknowledging the fact that Mitre is terrible. It’s not an issue, anyway, because there shouldn’t be need for more than 1 or 2 more starts from a 5th starter anyway.
Well I haven’t done this in a while but I guess it might be needed to quell some of the mild panic in here.
After tonight:
Yanks 93-53
Sox 85-58
Yanks can go 8-8 and still get 101 wins.
To match that, Sox need to go 16-3.
And they start a 10 game road trip on Fri.
So that’s perfect at home and 7-3 on the road where they are 3 games under .500. for the season.
This is unbelievable. The paranoia in you people…it’s just pathetic. There’s no other way to describe it…pathetic
Yes, the division is over. There is NO WAY-none-the Yankees blow it.
Shut up and sit down Cito Gasbag !
Thats it… yankees will score 15 runs tomorrow.
GF -
You try figuring out why the Angels cant beat the Red Sox in the playoffs.
All I can do is speculate, I’m not much into psycho-analysis.
The Angels have advantages over the Red Sox as they have advantages over us. Why are none of those advantages never seen against the Red Sox. It cant be because they RS negate those advantages every playoff series. I thought Mike Scoscia was a great manager.
Look at this scumbag team, Mark Scooter got drilled in the head against the Red Sox and they did absolutely nothing. If that doesnt signify their effort against us and them, I’m not sure what will.
you people worried about boston overtaking the yankees in the division are ABSOLUTELY INSANE and you really need to stop smoking crack.
Bronx Jeers September 15th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Well I haven’t done this in a while but I guess it might be needed to quell some of the mild panic in here.
After tonight:
Yanks 93-53
Sox 85-58
Yanks can go 8-8 and still get 101 wins.
To match that, Sox need to go 16-3.
And they start a 10 game road trip on Fri.
So that’s perfect at home and 7-3 on the road where they are 3 games under .500. for the season.
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Thanks, Bronx Jeers.
At least some people have a few brain cells still working properly.
Nick in SF, I’m riding the SF Giants again tonight……
This just in Sergio Mitre has pictures of Joe Girardi.
FIGHT!!!
GET EM
OK, was this necessary?
Go Edwar!
Benny Blanco says:
September 15, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Thats it… yankees will score 15 runs tomorrow.
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On 4 hits??
Barajas with the “hold-me-back” act. I mean, c’mon, he was being held back by Edwardo Ramirez! You really think he couldn’t have jumped back in the fray if he had really wanted to?
fight fight fight.
Arthur Scotsman
Has a point. Where was the retribution from the Blue Jay pitchers when Scutaro got hit in the head ?
But now they want to send a message to the Yankees for hitting there player.
And I’m sorry but the Angels showed no fight against Dice-k.
What was Jeff Van Gundy doing in there????
We haven’t had one of these in a while, lol.
Michael Kay’s right – the last thing they need are injuries and/or suspensions.
You try figuring out why the Angels cant beat the Red Sox in the playoffs.
All I can do is speculate, I’m not much into psycho-analysis.
The Angels have advantages over the Red Sox as they have advantages over us. Why are none of those advantages never seen against the Red Sox. It cant be because they RS negate those advantages every playoff series. I thought Mike Scoscia was a great manager.
Look at this scumbag team, Mark Scooter got drilled in the head against the Red Sox and they did absolutely nothing. If that doesnt signify their effort against us and them, I’m not sure what will.
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So what you’re telling me is that the Yanks have bowed down to the Angels for the better part of the past decade.
Torre couldn’t beat the Angels when he was the Yankee manager. He must have told his team in 2002 and 2005 not to put forth their full effort because he was scared of the Angels.
And those integrity lacking actually listened to him!!!!
How about coming to the conclusion that it’s just one of those unexplainable things in baseball?
For whatever reason, the Angels don’t match up well against the Red Sox but the Yanks don’t match up well against the Angels.
At the same time, a very well run Minnesota Twins team over the past 5-7 years just cannot beat the Yanks for whatever reason.
It’s baseball. It happens. Not everything can be easily explained and sure as hell can’t be explained by amateur psycho analysis.
Damon said something to escalate that.
Shelley Duncan is the only Yankee I want in the middle of that. Ok Edwar too.
God its weird to see jeter in the middle of a brawl.
Im sorry that was inappropriate, but after we got thrown at twice, you have to expect a retaliation pitch
Well, that woke me up
AJ punched Posada?
Are we going to have a “Guess how many Yankees get suspended by Watson” game?
Did you see A-Rod? He was dancing in the back of the fight pile like a SISSY!!
gonna rewind this!
John MacDonald punched Girardi.
Thrown at intentionally? By two pitchers neither of whom clearly had control?
Good grief.
Is there some reason by Barajas wasn’t thrown out?
Sean Serritella September 15th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Did you see A-Rod? He was dancing in the back of the fight pile like a SISSY!!
Because A-Rod needs to be in the middle and so he can mess his hip up!
When will other teams learn that Melancon has no control, that’s why he’s not in the majors.
I have no respect for the Blow Jays
They play us tough and score a zillion runs against us, but lay down for Boston and get swept every time they play.
A gutless team
That was one of the best brawls I’ve seen.
Girardi was right in there.
I guess Jeremy needs anti-psychotic medications, too.
My prediction:
Yankees will blow the bluejays out tomorrow. I’m thinking 12-15 runs.
# Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing September 15th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Is there some reason by Barajas wasn’t thrown out?
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He’s not a Yankee?
Sean Serritella
September 15th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Did you see A-Rod? He was dancing in the back of the fight pile like a SISSY!!
Yeah, just what the team needs. A-Rod getting hurt in a fight vs a team that’s season ended weeks ago.
Bravo!
Posada will get a nice vacation… not the worst thing in the world. Gets to rest up a bit before the postseason.
MPB Johnny Damon was int he middle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That brawl was good old fashioned fun.
I miss the Yanks-Sox brawls.
I want to see deportations! Go back to Canadia, you punks!
LOL Miggs. I was just thinking that.
Carlson got pounded. Someone really got on him.
I’m late on this but. Can Melancon get some control? This is the second time (Pedroia) jabs have been happening because of HIM.
Strange how someone with great command in the minors can’t find the strikezone.
Hey!
Just because the teams fought doesn’t mean you can use vulgar terms while you comment. Enough of that.
Canadia?
I counted at least 4 Yankee allstars in the middle. NOT good
This is what happens when I change the channel. I missed a brawl!
What a mess.
Unfortunately, Toronto gets the last laugh.
They beat us tonight and they will probably beat us tomorrow with Gaudin in the mound. Meanwhile, our lead against Boston shrinks with a tough West Coast trip looming and our #5 hitter suspended for most of it.
A team with postseason aspirations should not be getting involved in this crap. Now we play shorthanded against some tough teams out West while Boston chips away at our division lead– already down to 5 now.
Dumb all the way around.
Nick in SF September 15th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
I want to see deportations! Go back to Canadia, you punks!
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what happened, play-by-play of the brawl?
The division racechas been over for a month and the same children are in panic mode.
It’s turned this blog into crap.
At some point, you would think these idiots would learn something about baseball.
Jeers spelled it out in his post.
Too bad the panic stricken children can’t read the post to understand how dumb their panic mode really is.
Again I apologize Peter.
Nick in SF says:
September 15, 2009 at 10:23 pm
AJ punched Posada?
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Yes, AJ, Joba, and sneaky Cervelli punched Posada.
I’m seriously baffled as to why Barajas wasn’t thrown out.
pete ur a lil harsh there…carlson was in posadas way to the dugout and jorge was just ready waitin to c if carlson would do anything and just had some miscellaneous contact with carlson who then turned and started barking at posada. Seriously pete don’t be so judgmental there and you’ll see when you watch it properly that carlson was just as much at fault if not more for this..and his face is gonna show it 2morrow.
Go yanks
Of course! I miss the fight. I leave for 10 minutes and I miss a fight.. I hate when that happens!
Pete, I agree with you re: Posada getting suspended. But Carlson better be suspended for AT LEAST 5 games. First, he threw behind a batter intentionally. Our guys get suspended for that. AND he CLEARLY threw a punch at Posada. It was very clear on the replay. Maybe this will wake this team up to the fact that the division isn’t wrapped up quite yet.
I expect a blow out tomorrow and re-focused team now. I like it.
Well that fight was nothing compared to Yankee-O’s … Benitez hitting Tino in ’98
But the Yankees don’t need any of this as they get ready for October. It looks like they got lucky and no one is hurt. I guess Posada gets 5 games … at least ?
you make it seem like it was a street fight and posada through like a serious elbow..more like a nudge
>AJ punched Posada?
Ell Emm Eff Ay Oh
Great fighting with a terrible, minor league team. Now Posada will be suspended for 5-6 days. It wasn’t worth it. Bad teams start fights because they have nothing else to play for.
Whoever swung at Carlson landed it. Head and lip cut.
Carlsson looks like GSP!!
Carlson is out of position and should not be in the path of the baserunner crossing the plate.
Contact by Posada is incidentally, he put his arm up to make sure Carlson (who should not be where he is) doesn’t try to do anything to him.
Carlson freaks out like a little baby cause Posada’s arm touched his glove. Gimme a break.
I know opposing players hate getting hit but come on, the Yankees pitching staff has some of the worst command outside of maybe the Orioles.
Though it’s a little concerning that this is the second (maybe third?) time Melancon has caused controversy because of a HBP. He really needs to work on that.
“Unfortunately, Toronto gets the last laugh.”
They’re already snapping up all the good October tee times too.
I’m sorry I love Posada. He is my favorite player, & I defend him all the time, but that was completely unacceptable. I understand the Jays pitcher was wrong for throwing behind him, but still. We don’t need him getting suspended. He should of just let it go.
Erica – they replayed it about 3 times. I’m sure it will be shown again. GS for Damon?
I would have expected Posada, Carlson and Barjas to get ejected. So why wasn’t Barajas and why is Carlson still on the bench? Hmm, bizarro.
Posada have some nerve. Now I know why I never liked him. Posada should try and control his pitchers for once. Ruiz got hit on the cheek and today Hill and Encarnation and he cries for getting thrown behind?
Carlson is a no talent piece of trash… Guy can never get anyone on the Yankees out, he’s never been able to, so he has to throw at people…. Classless… Melancon isn’t throwing at anyone on purpose… Besides he’s not their “star player”… Adam Lind is…
I wouldn’t be too surprised if we win this one.
NYY626
September 15th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Erica – they replayed it about 3 times. I’m sure it will be shown again. GS for Damon?
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I watched Johnny get squished in slow-no like 4 times. Is that sick??
And yes, I think you are right!
Carlson looks like Nosferatu
Joe’s gonna have a hell of a shiner. Yeesh. Vacations & rest for Po, Tex, Shelly, maybe Damon too.
Oh God, not the idiot predictions again.
All of you children have been wrong all season on the doom and gloom predictions.
Let me guess, the Red Sox won’t lose another game and the Yankees won’t win.
Moron Central in full bloom tonight.
A grand slam is actually one of the last things you want here (of all the positive things, of course). Sometimes that kills the rally. A nice 2 run double would do the trick, methinks.
Pel: I’m glad you liked it.
“Bad teams start fights because they have nothing else to play for.”
Yes, the 1998 Yankee started fight because they had nothing to play for. Shut up.
new rivalry? lol
I wonder why Cito hates the Yanks so much. Pushing Halladay back to face them. I am sure he told the pitcher to throw at someone. I guess when you can’t beat someone on the field you do stupid things.
That was completely bush league.
You expect that from bottom feeders like Toronto or Baltimore, not from the Yankees.
The only reason he was thrown at was because of Melancon anyway. Yet another controversy induced by Melancon. First with Pedroia, now tonight. The guy has worse control than Jose Veras and clearly, other teams are taking offense to it.
If Johnny hits a grand slam here the stadium mya physically rise from the groujnd and float from the sounds of the screaming.
actually when you are down by 6 and there are 2 outs, you kill for a grand slam. dead wrong.
lol
baseball players can not fight, at all. period.
of course, I can’t play baseball on their level either…
Posada was clearly in the wrong for throwing an elbow – but what is Carlson doing in front of the plate? Doesn’t a pitcher normally back-up home plate? (like 5-6 feet behind it)
I loved it! Especially seeing Girardi right in the middle of it. The pitcher walked right in Posadas way…I wouldve elbowed him too. Hockey season is right around the corner! Unfortunately I have to listen to the Blue Jays announcers complain.
Haha Nosferatu good one!@
SJ44, who are you talking to? I just went looking to see who you are arguing with but I can’t figure it out. We are all talking about the fight. Here’s my prediction: Yanks BLOW OUT Toronto tomorrow. How is that?
Jeez, can’t believe I missed this. I’ll have to watch the replay.
Is the game still on?
Wait, who did Girardi punch?
Christina go back under your rock and take your husband Jim with you.
fail
Anyone who thinks Posada didn’t get his elbow up on Carlson is kidding themselves.
Melancon is Joba #2. He hit so many players pretty soon he is going to catch up to Joba. I hope Watson suspend his butt for a long time because he needs to learn a lesson. If he wants to hit a player he should do it on the lower part of the body not near the head.
That was the most anticlimactic inning I’ve ever seen.
I watched Johnny get squished in slow-no like 4 times. Is that sick??
And yes, I think you are right!
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Oh I forgot about you and your DVR. No, if I had one, I’d keep watching it too. Even Mo got in on the action
Posada brushed a guy who was out of position. C’mon, stop acting like he did something blatant. Carlson could have kept his mouth shut.
And the ump over-reacted by throwing Posada out immediately. As soon as he did that, he escalated the situation because Posada now had little to lose (in the short term) by going after Carlson.
“Yes, the 1998 Yankee started fight because they had nothing to play for.”
The Jays have something to play for???!! Ok genius…
Carlston looks like Nostradamus?
As fights go.. over the last couple of years.. it was a pretty good one, Erica.
Posada didn’t really throw an elbow the way I learned how to throw one. That was just a “how ya like that” tap.
Nosferatu = Twilight played by 80 year olds.
For a guy with “pinpoint, impeccable” control, Melancon can’t hit the left side of a barn.
Posada had all the right to do what he did. Carlston did not deserve to be there, he should behind the plate for a throw.
Posada was just protecting himself, because who knows what Carleston could of done. He could of thrown a punch, or something worse. Posada was just protecting himself.
I also think this is good for the Yankees. This will heat everything up now and just make there chase to the WS even better.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
September 15th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
As fights go.. over the last couple of years.. it was a pretty good one, Erica.
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I swear, the first Yankee game I am blatantly not paying attention to all season. LOL
“actually when you are down by 6 and there are 2 outs, you kill for a grand slam. dead wrong.”
Really? Since when? I never said I DIDN’T WANT a grandslam. I just said that sometimes it kills a rally.
When’s the last time Damon got a big hit?
SJ44,
Why dont you mind your own business? Posada needs to have his head examined. He is like a bully.
NYY626-
Yet another argument for DVR. Slow-mo squishy face Johnny
On that note, I am going back to my insane TV watching habit
Last Yankee brawl was Arod Varitek. RS said that got them going that year somehow I don’t think the Jays will say the same…
Christina25
September 15th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Melancon is Joba #2. He hit so many players pretty soon he is going to catch up to Joba. I hope Watson suspend his butt for a long time because he needs to learn a lesson. If he wants to hit a player he should do it on the lower part of the body not near the head.
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I knew Christina25 would be here with her .01 cents worth.
How predictable.
Did someone say that a double would be better then a grand slam? I expect bad information from some poster but come on, counting should be a must.
Well nevermind about that. Very anti-climatic I’d say.
Fights are not fun, they are stupid. Just watch someone come out with an injury…..and you bet there will be suspensions. Um, where was Melancon aiming? I don’t blame the Jays for being upset. I’m sure he didn’t throw at the guy on purpose, but still – that pitch seemed to go right to the middle of his back.
Even if the division is won, so what? The Sox are getting their pitching in order…….now they have Dice-K back – and our starting rotation is on very shaky ground. Why do people who are optimistic always have to be condescending to those who are concerned?
Carlson was standing at home plate, he was waiting for something to happen. There was no reason for him to be there. If he wasn’t there nothing would of started.
I don’t fault Posada entirely. Carlson has to share the blame. Carlson should have been well behind home plate backing up the throw. The only reason he was right next to the plate is because he was inviting an incident with Posada. It’s good to see some spirit after a lethargic game.
“When’s the last time Damon got a big hit?”
He tied the game w/two outs in the eigth inning vs. Daniel Bard.
Posada did a stupid, unnecessary thing with the elbow nudge, but, Jesus, don’t act like it was a forearmed shiver to Carllson’s head.
I kinda hate to bring this up right now, but it angered me just as much as Carlson. BBTN was showing highlights of the fight of course, and Gammons chirps in with–Sergio Mitre was nowhere to be found after his pitch went *motions past neck and chin area* while Carlson’s went *motions behind back* and that’s a huge difference. (paraphrased) So please, no hard feelings against the Blue Jays, Mr. Control (a.k.a. Mitre) was intentionally headhunting whereas Carlson tried his best to make sure he didn’t hit anybody.
Has Damon had a big hit lately?
Christina25
September 15th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
SJ44,
Why dont you mind your own business? Posada needs to have his head examined. He is like a bully.
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This is a forum for Yankee fans. YOU are a guest. Where you get off telling someone to mind their own business when you post something in a public Yankee forum that’s open for others to comment?
Pat M: I’m a little less trusting of Zito and the SF bats than you are, I’m on the +1.5 only. But good start, 1-0 Giants with bases loaded, one out.
Yeah stop with the potty mouth. Serious Mitre has pictures of Girardi! Is he going to pitch again?
“Did someone say that a double would be better then a grand slam? I expect bad information from some poster but come on, counting should be a must.”
Again, do you even follow baseball? And learn to read. I never said it wouldn’t help. A homer kills a rally sometimes when you are down 6+ runs. If you don’t believe me, maybe you need to watch more baseball. Again, I would have LOVED the grand slam. But in terms of rallies, a double would’ve been just fine.
Posada gets thrown at and suddenly he’s the bully?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Oh, and he hits the opposing team’s 3rd basemen while wearing his full catcher’s gear, instigating a fight, right?
Oh, wait, that wasn’t Posada! Who was that? Gee, the name is on the tip of my tongue…
Also, whoever said the ump escalated that situation by kicking out posada is 100% correct. If he doesnt kick him out for a little tap then he walks back to the dugout simply yapping at the pitcher. When he gets kicked out, he has nothing to lose.
Why didn’t Posada just flatten Carleson if he wanted to hit him? He was right in line with the plate and could have easily popped him with his momentum from running home at full speed.
That was the funniest thing I have ever seen.
“…and our starting rotation is on very shaky ground”
Umm no it’s not. Burnett and who is on shaky ground?
Can’t wait to see what happens on Wed.
“Even if the division is won, so what? The Sox are getting their pitching in order…….now they have Dice-K back – and our starting rotation is on very shaky ground. Why do people who are optimistic always have to be condescending to those who are concerned?”
Always? When have I ever been condescending to you, Betsy?
Michael Dumb
“The Jays have something to play for???!!”
No they dont. But the you said bad teams start fights because they have nothing else to play for. But that is simply not always the case. the 1998 Yankees had something to play for and they started fights.
pitchers throw at hitters …it happens! solution charge the mound and hit the pitcher back…. no suspensions ! play ball and you’ll see how the problem will fix itself!
I wonder why Posada had such rage about a throw that didnt even touch him? hmmmm
I’m still amazed at how quickly Joe G managed to wedge himself right in the middle of that thing. He’ll say he was protecting his players but he seemed to be looking for someone to hit.
Shelley Duncan was hysterical. Flying around throwing elbows and shoving random Toronto guys.
Jorge looking furious as he gets dragged away by CC.
I hope Girardi punched back whoever punched him.
Dunn looks great!
Damon is either slumping or maybe his back is still bothering him. He hasn’t swung the bat well at all recently.
“A grand slam is actually one of the last things you want here (of all the positive things, of course). Sometimes that kills the rally.”
Ugh. I hate when people say this.
“Also, whoever said the ump escalated that situation by kicking out posada is 100% correct. If he doesnt kick him out for a little tap then he walks back to the dugout simply yapping at the pitcher. When he gets kicked out, he has nothing to lose.”
Based on your comments tonight, you clearly don’t follow baseball. Or sports for that matter. Posada has a suspension to risk no matter whether he gets thrown out or not. I think he deserves to be suspended, but Carlson’s better be longer.
“You can’t throw an elbow like that and expect to get away with it. ”
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Now Pete, you know he never expected to get away with it! He went looking for the fight.
Worth it, probably not…but it was an interesting fight to watch at least. Something to keep us interested in this ridiculous blowout. Ah, now 10-3.
“I wonder why Posada had such rage about a throw that didnt even touch him? hmmmm”
I know, latins aren’t know for tempers.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
September 15th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Christina25
September 15th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Melancon is Joba #2. He hit so many players pretty soon he is going to catch up to Joba. I hope Watson suspend his butt for a long time because he needs to learn a lesson. If he wants to hit a player he should do it on the lower part of the body not near the head.
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I knew Christina25 would be here with her .01 cents worth. How predictable
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I assume that you devalued “The Dimwitted Gerbil’s common sense.
Hey Angel,
I just love putting people in their place.
Washburn today… yanked after 1 inning and 4 runs given up tonight.
Take the “B” series please.
A goal line stand in the form of a Yankee grand slam and a hold by Dunn would’ve been nice.
Christina25
Why don’t you ask Kevin puke the same question?
Look, some of us are just not quite so interested in, or afraid of the Red Sox.
I respect them, but for the love of God himself.. some of ya’ll are way too respectful of them.. at the expense of the team you’re a fan of!
“Ugh. I hate when people say this.”
Why? It’s true. Homers often kill rallies when your team is down 6+ runs. Don’t believe so? Prove otherwise.
Nick in SF, Giants up 2-0……Are you pulling for them ???? I still think they get the Wild Card…..
It’s how the game works guys. Melancon hit Toronto’s best player, so Carlson went after Posada. He didnt even hit him. Sorry but this is all on Posada. Not sure how you all can defend him to this extent.
Gammons is a shell of his former self.
Don’t take his homerisms seriously – he’s lost it.
Gotta love Shelley Duncan. That’s what they brought him up for
Christina25
September 15th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Hey Angel,
I just love putting people in their place.
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Then you failed, I can assure you that.
Dunn is better hitter than a pitcher. Dunn knows home runs.
Brian i like to read, not comment a lot. And I play baseball more then I watch it. And anyone that plays baseball knows that they arent thinking, hmm i cant fight right now or ill get suspended. Its more like, what i just got kicked out? now this sonofa___ is gonna get it.
I think its clear who doesnt know what they are talking about
Angel, don’t waste your time.
“Why? It’s true. Homers often kill rallies when your team is down 6+ runs. Don’t believe so? Prove otherwise.”
Nope. You made the claim, not me. It is up to you to prove it. Othwerwise, I will gladly go on believing that grandslams are better than other positive things in that situation.
“Ugh. I hate when people say this.”
Why? It’s true. Homers often kill rallies when your team is down 6+ runs. Don’t believe so? Prove otherwise.
How about you prove this astute comment…
tk
How many times has Mitre hit batters?
The guy isn’t good ! He is no Maddux. Carlson was trying to send a message so he is just as guilty.
I have ZERO interest in visiting a Red Sox blog, but if I was to visit one… I’d certainly make damn sure not to behave in the same way that you post on here, Christina25.
“And I play baseball more then I watch it.”
That OLD gag, huh? Let me guess, you played in high school…could’ve played D-1 if not for a blown out knee? LOL…I’ve heard that a million times.
As for the thought process. A real athlete understands the ramifications of fighting regardless of whether or not he gets thrown out. Maybe you weren’t/aren’t a very cerebral player. Sounds like that’s the case.
Greenberet is genius oh my goodness gracious.
Christina25
September 15th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
SJ44,
Why dont you mind your own business? Posada needs to have his head examined. He is like a bully.
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This is men playing baseball, not a 5th grade classroom. Throwing inside is part of the game, your boy Pedro made quite a living off it. People like you are the reason football sucks now, please don’t ruin baseball too.
Same old crap from the usual “dark clouds” that post on this blog.
Yeah suspensions in mid September with an expanded roster and a 5+ game lead on the division AND home field advantage will really cripple this team.
Gosh, the Sox are getting their rotation together! Pass me a Paxil! Same crap, different day.
Um, Trevor……….you really think a rotation of CC, Andy and AJ scares anyone? Let’s just agree to disagree – I’m in no mood to get into an argument.
Wait, Christina made a veiled steroid comment?
She didn’t answer my question from the other day asking her if she said this in the comments section of that mazz article: “I wonder if this Yankees team is on steroids?” or something to that effect.
I guess I have my answer now.
Angel I don’t know why shes banned yet.
Jesse Carlson is a punk. Jorge should have decked him, he is gonna get suspended anyway. Carlson wasn’t in position on that play, he was looking for contact and a brawl.
Posada will have a nice Vacation, He will get rest before the post season.
Well, I get home from being out all night and I see that this game has gone exactly like I expected it to…except for the brawl, of course!
Pat M: see my above comment at 10:39 PM… I am pulling for the Giants, and I’m on the +1.5. 3-0 now.
Melancon is a AAA pitcher. It is often that he doesn’t know where the ball is going. To think it was on purpose is stupid. They were just trying to be tough guys since the losing season is probably getting to them.
I know, Brian. Sorry, I do know better than to let her ridiculousness get up my nose. She’s like a little gnat buzzing around in my ear. I swatted today instead of ignoring.
when was the last time you ever saw Jeter in the middle of a scrum? That might be a first for me. He had no choice, he was on deck and his best buddy was in a brawl. Used to seeing him square dancing on the outskirts
Brian from NJ September 15th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
“Also, whoever said the ump escalated that situation by kicking out posada is 100% correct. If he doesnt kick him out for a little tap then he walks back to the dugout simply yapping at the pitcher. When he gets kicked out, he has nothing to lose.”
Based on your comments tonight, you clearly don’t follow baseball. Or sports for that matter. Posada has a suspension to risk no matter whether he gets thrown out or not. I think he deserves to be suspended, but Carlson’s better be longer.
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I was the one who said the ump escalated the situation, and I clearly stated that Posada had nothing to lose “short term”. Do you really think, in the heat of the moment, that anybody is thinking “I’ll get suspended if I do this?” I doubt it.
I lurked on this board long before I started posting regularly, and one of the reasons I didn’t post much was because of people who want to jump down your throat for every thing you say that they disagree with. Just because somebody says something that you don’t agree with, or just because they have a different opinion than you, doesn’t warrant comments like “you obviously don’t follow baseball.” Show a little decorum. Please.
Angel, I agree. Something happens with the Yankees and that thing runs here. Why? Obsession in that case isn’t a perfume by Calvin Klein.
I’ve watched enough baseball to be able to make that comment. A few decades worth, in fact. You?
This is going to fire the team up and rally them together. They have eachother’s back and it showed tonight.
2 triples in 2 days? can’t predict baseball….
Oh, what a bummer. This is a my4 game so there isnt a postgame!
I don’t think Carleston should of been there,(not defending the Jays, so don’t jump on me) but its hard for me to think Posada didn’t do that on purpose with his temper. I like that he’s fiery, but sometimes he gets too worked up. Melancon needs to get better control.
Haha, very true Angel.
Rob B., I wasn’t talking to you.
What’s with Tex and triples?
We have Gaudin starting tomorrow
Is this brawl going to help him pitch well? If not, it doesn’t matter if we come out “fired up”.
Carlson***
Matsusuck-ah had a good pitching night and ESPEN is now making the Sox the 2009 champ. I love it.
Christina, go back to your “Fever Pitch” DVD.
If some of the idiots (Christina25) used what tiny amount of common sense you have, you’d know that you don’t hit batters with a change-up (Mitre) and Melancon has had command issues since he arrived in NY.
Rob B (Officially on the Jeter for MVP bandwagon) September 15th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Brian from NJ September 15th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
“Also, whoever said the ump escalated that situation by kicking out posada is 100% correct. If he doesnt kick him out for a little tap then he walks back to the dugout simply yapping at the pitcher. When he gets kicked out, he has nothing to lose.”
Based on your comments tonight, you clearly don’t follow baseball. Or sports for that matter. Posada has a suspension to risk no matter whether he gets thrown out or not. I think he deserves to be suspended, but Carlson’s better be longer.
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I was the one who said the ump escalated the situation, and I clearly stated that Posada had nothing to lose “short term”. Do you really think, in the heat of the moment, that anybody is thinking “I’ll get suspended if I do this?” I doubt it.
I lurked on this board long before I started posting regularly, and one of the reasons I didn’t post much was because of people who want to jump down your throat for every thing you say that they disagree with. Just because somebody says something that you don’t agree with, or just because they have a different opinion than you, doesn’t warrant comments like “you obviously don’t follow baseball.” Show a little decorum. Please.
Fair enough. Brian, while I dont agree with your comment, I apologize for the way I went about disagreeing with you. Fights get emotions flowing, even when they are on tv.
umz -
what level do you play ?
I wonder what happened to the ump. He must of got clocked by someone to be out of the game.
Melancon hit Toronto’s best player.
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Because I don’t think Melancon did it deliberately, based on the lack of control he’s shown in his short major league career. Hence, I don’t understand why retaliation was called for when it’s pretty obvious (to me, at least) that Melancon is a rookie with control issues.
Wow the Sox beat the Angels ! Big Deal !
Let’s see what Dice-k can do against a team that shows some fight.
Now they’re hitting each other.
I’m not going to bother answering you Betsy, you’re way too negative for my taste.
Anything positive you still manage to find the negative. No one is scared of CC in the playoffs? Okay keep telling yourself that.
Umz, I also apologize. The fight got me riled up as well, lol.
If the Angels didn’t give Boston a challenge, who will?
Not Toronto, Baltimore, or Tampa.
Kansas City prehaps?
League must do his best work against the Yanks. His numbers are terrible.
So pitchers that will never, ever see our postseason roster got lit up. Big deal.
lack of command is only going to get your so far at this level. You are expected to have some command of your pitches at this level of the game…I believe when we were up in Toronto a couple of the Blue Jay batters got beaned by some of our more “wild” pitchers.
Bottom line is, you are expected to have some degree of control at this level at least enough so you are endangering the batter at the plate. I don’t particularly relish the fact that Posada will probably be suspended for 4-5 games now but I expect nothing less out of him. That is not intended as a put down, it’s just the type of player he is…hotheaded, impulsive and old school.
14 hits and 3 runs. I didn’t think that was possible. Baseball is amazing.
Trevor,
Nobody is scared of us in the playoffs. We got to 40 games over .500 and the best record in baseball because of our great defense.
I’m glad this team showed some fight. It’s been a while.
Trevor its the same garbage coming from her all the time.
She should just go buy a Red Sox hat. The way she admires them and “fears” them is laughable.
I assume that you devalued “The Dimwitted Gerbil’s common sense.
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LOL, I just saw this. Yep, I did. Seeing as they’re playing Toronto, I applied the Canadian exchange rate to it.
How many people here kept waiting for Graeme Lloyd to come bounding in during that brawl arms flailing?
fever pitch CD?
Too bad there isn’t a post game…
Betsy.
Glad you are on this eve. Amy is sending you a Savannah suggestion note as I type this. We just put it together this eve. It will be in your email in 10 mins. Kind Regards.
-dennis
Yeah, we should be afraid of the Tigers with Edwin Jackson (who has a 4 1\2 ERA since August) and the rookie Porcello who we lit up earlier this year. And let’s not forget about that stud Jarrod Washburn.
Oh, and Boston’s ferocious 3-4 combo of Dice-K and Buchholz!! oh noes!!
How will our rotation ever be able to compete with that? Might as well give Texas our playoff spot. They are more deserving than we are.
Angel, I agree 100% that Melancon wasn’t trying to hit Hill. But teams don’t like to see their best pitchers hit in the upper back. So the message sent back was “teach your dumba@@ rookie pitcher not to hit our guy in the back.”
Not saying it’s right or wrong, but it doesn’t always matter whether the plunking was deliberate or not.
By the way, not to get in between you and Christina25′s attempt to set a new low for intelligence on this blog, but where does it say that this blog is for Yankee fans and others are guests?
1. Carlson is throwing at Posade in a blowout game on a non-contending cellar dwelling team – bush league.
2. It is stretching the imagination to say Melancon (or Mitre) is throwing at anyone on purpose.
3. Carlson was looking for contact – nowhere near position – bascially ran to home plate and went looking for trouble.
4. Posada didn’t even make contact with Carlson.
If anyone is watching Baseball Tonight, how can Peter Gammons even claim he is partisan with his ridiculous anti-New York commentary.
I see the LoHud Herpes Simplex Type 2 has come out of remission.
>We got to 40 games over .500 and the best record in baseball because of our great defense.
The Yankees are in the position that they are in because they asked nicely and said “please”, and “thank you”.
I hope Burnett didn’t go home yet
Nobody is afraid of CC in the playoffs
He only leads the American League in wins.
I think I finally understand Christina25 and the rock she lives under:
if you spend your entire miserable life never getting hit on, seeing batters getting hit on is probably exciting.
lol Pel
Trevor
Many Yankees fans act like pre-2004 Red Sox fans. They have no confidence in their team. Wake-up people ! The Yankees can beat the Sox in the postseason ! The Yankees are a good team.
Believe it or not, but that’s the first run that the Yankees have scored of League this year in 11 innings.
Randy I, Did Dan Ford play in the Senior Baseball League with you ???? Nick in SF, Zito has been pitching good as of late……
Dennis, other than on River Street, the best place in Savannah to get an afternoon sandwich is Schlotzsky’s on Eisenhower Drive. Outstanding Reuben’s and corned beef and pastromi on sourdough bread with brown mustard.
Teams don’t like to see their best HITTERS plunked in the back, I meant.
you know if Girardi hadn’t been stupid enough to leave Mitre into the 6th inning when the game got away, things could have been a lot different.
I guess I shouldn’t post this because you won’t bother responding, Trevor, but fine ………after CC, you are confident in the rest of the rotation? Hey, if you think the Yanks are just going to dominate, that’s fine. I see nothing particularly negative in respecting other teams, but since we disagree……better to just leave it alone.
Yanks 182, this team is already close – this brawl isn’t going to help them any.
“2. It is stretching the imagination to say Melancon (or Mitre) is throwing at anyone on purpose.”
No it’s not. Melancon quite clearly did, but I think Mitre was trying to hit Encarnacion’s bat again.
I love Shelly Duncan. I’m so glad he was here for this moment tonight.
Brian from NJ:
I know you weren’t talking to me. I really wasn’t following the comments all night, so I probably missed most of your conversation with the other person. Just seeing that “you obviously don’t follow baseball” kind of touched a nerve with me tonight.
Glide
That’s the issue with some of the fans. They don’t give the Yankees enough credit. The Yankees are the only team that can stop the Sox from making it to the World Series.
Well, I don’t give a rats behind what Miggs thinks – he can’t ignore my posts, which is frankly hilarious. Zach, you completely missed my point, but whatever…….it’s too late to be getting into internet flame wars.
I want to know what the heck the pitcher was doing next to the plate. He wanted to start something with Jorge.
Melancon’s control is horrendous.
He is like Rick Ankiel. How was this guy one of the top control relievers in the minors?
>Nobody is afraid of CC in the playoffs
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>He only leads the American League in wins.
He’s also the all-time record holder in GRZLY.
His cuddliness to dangerousness ratio is off the chain.
If you happen to be around to witness a CC on his hind legs, you’re already dead.
Melancon is going to get one of our players killed one of these days.
Melancon’s control hasn’t been good enough to hit anybody. It would have been low and outside if he was trying.
Dennis, thank you, and thank Amy for me! I’ve spent so much time on these boards that I’ve not even done any research on Savannah – it’s so unlike me because I usually spend hours online, planning my trips. When are you going to Philly?
Was that Edwar who punched Cito Gadson?
Betsy
What if A.J. turns into a stud in the postseason what will you say then ? Every team going into the postseason has rotation question marks so stop acting like a pre-2004 red sox fan.
pat m-
he wasn’t on the team i was a bullpen catcher on.
could have been in the league somewhere though.
My apologies anyway, Rob B. I agree with your previous statements. Got riled up with the fight is all…have a great night!
UPDATE, 10:29 p.m.: Posada and Carlson were ejected.
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If Carlson was ejected, why was he allowed to stay in the dugout? That doesn’t make sense.
Good for Posada Carlson learned his lesson dont mess with Jorgie. This will only bring the yankees even closer and make there postseason run more dominant.
Melancon has good command in the minors but it somehow disappears in the majors.
Jennifer, Carlson was not backing up the catcher like he’s suppose to and it was obvious he was looking for contact.
Not a wasted AB in the final two innings, worked Halladay too.
And the Yanks out hit them.
And that vampyr called Carlson has a bumpy head.
Not a horrible night.
GB7.
I agree that Schlotzsky’s is a good lunch spot. We were trying to provide Betsy with some indepently owned, non chain spots as per her request.
Ever been to Mrs. Wilkes BBQ? Great spot and I do not even like BBQ!
-dennis (guest on Lohud)
I see some folks have reading comprehension problems…….I never said teams aren’t afraid of CC. Cutting off the rest of my sentence to make your lame points is ridiculous….In case you can’t figure it out, CC is not the entire rotation and he can’t pitch every game.
If this team has any guts, they will demolish the Toronto Blow Jays tomorrow.
I don’t care if Gaudin gives up 10 runs… then they should score 12.
anyone who defends posada is lost…complete stupidity, what he did
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others!
/Orwell’d
# Pel (a/k/a Bart Simpson) September 15th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
>Nobody is afraid of CC in the playoffs
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>He only leads the American League in wins.
He’s also the all-time record holder in GRZLY.
His cuddliness to dangerousness ratio is off the chain.
If you happen to be around to witness a CC on his hind legs, you’re already dead.
Like I said earlier, poster of the year haha
Melancon and Mitre off course were not throwing at anyone on purpose since their control is awful but at the same time you can’t blame Toronto for having had enough of such pitching incompetence and throwing back at the Yanks – as if to say if our guys aren’t good enough to pitch inside or pitch period without hitting anybody then watch it.
Tons of our guys get hit in the same circumstances and I’ve got no problem when our guys throw at or near other players after our guys have been unintentionally hit, in fact I’d expect such.
So let’s not all cry bloody murder and that the Jays were out of line because they weren’t.
Yanks missed the boat on Tazawa, CC sucks
LOL! Best thread title ever!
dennis, I hope you brought your papers.
The Gritty One had 2 RBI on the night.
Dang nabbit!
Jeremy, hey – if you want to take my comments as being overly negative, feel free. Heaven forbid someone express just a LITTLE concern….. I respect the other teams, so be it. Let’s just agree to disagree.
That brawl was embarassing.
Is there anything more useless than MY8?
No postgame, and Russ Salzberg reading e-mails he writes to himself.
Pathetic.
tt September 15th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
That brawl was embarassing.
Could have been worse. Ask Youkilis .
“anyone who defends posada is lost…complete stupidity, what he did”
Yeah, it was. Wasn’t costly though. Little vacation heading to October would do him good. Yanks will not lose their spot atop the AL standings. Both Boston and Anaheim now 5 games back in the AILC with only 16 to play.
Can’t wait to hear Francessa’s take on the brawl tomorrow.
“independently”
sorry.
-dennis
Since Watson hates the Yanks I will assume that Posada will get 6 games and Carlson 4. Then it will be appealed to 5. He should serve it against the Royals. They will need him for the Angels and Sox series.
Mac Daddy September 15th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
anyone who defends posada is lost…complete stupidity, what he did
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I defend Posada.
Did you actually see what happened?
A) Carlson positioned himself directly in line with where Posada was running. (It’s not like Posada veered towards him).
B) He brushed the guy as he went by. That’s it.
If that means I’m ‘lost’, then I’m proud to be so.
wth why are we talking to a jays player? who cares.
If Girardi gives one of his patented, “I thought he pitched pretty well” responses I’m going to puke.
If you sugarcoat a piece of crap, guess what? It’s still a piece of crap.
Is pitching inside something new to Melancon?
Everytime he does it, he either hits, or almost hits them.
“Well that fight was nothing compared to Yankee-O’s … Benitez hitting Tino in ‘98″
That was a memorable one.
Strawberry, Jeff Nelson and Graeme Lloyd.
I found a pic of Lloyd and Nelson throwing hooks.
http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/Yankeeso%27s98.jpg
“Not saying it’s right or wrong, but it doesn’t always matter whether the plunking was deliberate or not.”
Of course it doesn’t. Hence, the fight we saw just now. There have been fights in baseball over less than that. I just think Toronto was spoiling for a fight. There is “back issues” between these teams clearly influencing things between them.
“By the way, not to get in between you and Christina25’s attempt to set a new low for intelligence on this blog, but where does it say that this blog is for Yankee fans and others are guests?”
Well perhaps my annoyance caused me to express myself in a manner where I didn’t make my point as articulately as I’d like. Have you never been guilty of that in the heat of the moment? IF I was ever to visit a Red Sox blog, I’d consider myself a guest – and would behave in the manner that Dennis and others do when they post on here. Not in the combative manner that Christina25 does, because I would certainly expect to cause aggravation if I did that. That was the point I made badly. Normally I just ignore her, to my chagrin, I did not today.
Sorry to offend you, but thanks for insulting my intelligence.
“All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others!”
Good point, Tom. I think this one is still considered the most equal of all time, no?
http://tinyurl.com/lm4tbf
GG tonight.
if Girardi did indeed got socked in the head, maybe that knocked some sense into him and tonight will be the last we see of Mitre.
Check out the replay in slow mo, JOBA, AJ, CC, GIradi, Damon, Texeira, and Jeter all come to the aid of Posada.
Mac Daddy September 15th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
anyone who defends posada is lost…complete stupidity, what he did
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i agree. I dont get how some of you can sit here and defend him as if he didnt do anything wrong…
Time to give Josh Towers a chance in the rotation.
Send Mitre back to Scraton.
dennis-Costanza
September 15th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
GB7.
I agree that Schlotzsky’s is a good lunch spot. We were trying to provide Betsy with some indepently owned, non chain spots as per her request.
Ever been to Mrs. Wilkes BBQ? Great spot and I do not even like BBQ!
-dennis (guest on Lohud)
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Love Mrs. Wilkes’. Elizabeth on 37th Street is a great place, too, but expensive. Lady And Sons is another, with their southern cooking. Out on Tybee, a place called Sting Ray’s. Betsy had mentioned getting away from the touristy and noisy River Street crowds. I assumed that she’ll find a need to go shopping at Oglethorpe Mall for needs.
Dennis, if you are still here – I probably won’t be checking my email tonight, but I didn’t want you or Amy to think I was ignoring you. I will check it tomorrow morning or after work – either way, I really appreciate it!
Russ Salzberg does the exact opposite of good post-game coverage.
Honestly folks, spare me the Melancon and Mitre have no control stuff. The Yankees pitching has hit more batters this year than any team in baseball. If it’s because they don’t have control, they better find their control or else their guys are going to get thrown at.
I think the Yankees are in the driver’s seat for the division …
but, with baseball, I will never, ever, ever say it’s over till it’s over.
If I had any doubts about that, 2004 took care of those doubts for good.
When i finished my home work i turned the tv on too see the game the first thing i saw was the yankees hopping up and down i thought it was another walk off then i saw the jays and i said what the he** and girardi pushing and shoveing but the yankees tottaly won the fight you saw carston head it looked like pluto
John Mcdonald punched Girardi check out the Replay
This is the disadvantage of not having names on the back of our jerseys.
I have no idea who did what.
Someone who looked like Edwar pushed Cito Gatson
Someone who looked like Gaudin pushed Barajas
Damon or Hinske were at the bottom of the pile
Gardner was getting into it with someone (or was that Gaudin?)
Honestly folks, spare me the Melancon and Mitre have no control stuff. The Yankees pitching has hit more batters this year than any team in baseball.
doesn’t the first sentence play right into the next and pretty much explain itself?
fool.
maybe that knocked some sense into him and tonight will be the last we see of Mitre.
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doubt it — Joe’s man-crushes run deep (Mariana Trench deep)
Angel, sorry, what I wrote came out badly. I meant, not to come between, one the one hand, you, and on the other hand, Christina25′s attempt to set a new low for intelligence on this blog.
Not a mutual attempt to set a new lot.
Just her.
Because her contributions are not intelligent.
Touchy tonight?
Give McDonald 20 seconds in a cage with Girardi and McDonald will look like the girl from the exorcist.
“but, with baseball, I will never, ever, ever say it’s over till it’s over.”
pepitone-
i’m with you on that one.
Bad night all around. All three playoff teams in the organization lost. All had the tying runs at the plate. Tampa and Staten Island play for titles tomorrow night.
Melancon DOESN’T have control. Whenever he pitches, he either walks them, hits them, or throws wild pitches.
Mitre is a different story. He has shown he has control. That might be the only good thing about him.
i agree. I dont get how some of you can sit here and defend him as if he didnt do anything wrong…
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I dont think he helped, and he’ll be suspended and out for a few games which isn’t good for the team. I’m not defending him per se. More pointing that that I think both sides are at fault and equally contributed.
But I think that this fight has been brewing and bulding for a while, and that we don’t know what what was said and done on the field that caused things to escalate either.
Mac Daddy September 15th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
anyone who defends posada is lost…complete stupidity, what he did
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I’ve watched the tape three or four times now, and I still don’t know what he did?
Carlson started cussing him, and he confronted him, then all hell broke lose. So, who started what?
There should be no suspensions. Things got a little heated, a few bumps and bruises, but no real damage done.
But, knowing the way these things go these days the commissioner will overreact and suspend Posada for like 6 games or something.
“doesn’t the first sentence play right into the next and pretty much explain itself?
No stupid ass, it doesn’t. Damon-ator, eh? Another who’s 15 IQ points short of being a decent moron.
I hear Mrs. Wilkes has great fried chicken ……yumm. I am a Southerner, I think, in a Northerner’s body, lol. Actually, when I spent some time at a resort outside Knoxville, TN, I was declared an honorary southerner……I’m so proud, lol. GB, I will not be shopping, lol. I hate HATE shopping..unless for books or food. I am mostly interested in historical sites or sites that are important to Savannah – I will not be seeing the inside of a mall on this trip, lol. Maybe I’ll go to Newbury street in Boston, though – I hear Mrs. Tex likes it.
Lucky Man
Just so many seasons in a lifetime
Just so many innings in the game
Years I spent toiling in Ruth’s shadow,
Batting my way to the hall of fame.
I proudly wore the mantle of the Captain
Which Ruth held just one day (to his great shame)
I stepped aside when I was struck by sickness
-my life a shortened, but official, game.
And now another Yankee claims my record-
a man like me who battles for the prize.
The Angels say he plays the game the right way.
He is a worthy Captain in my eyes.
The park is new, the team is good this season
My seat is in the grandstand way up high.
Remember my farewell one distant summer.
When I alone knew how I was to die.
( It is appropriate to remember and honor Lout Gehrig whose record Derek Jeter recently surpassed. If not for the fatal disease ALS, Lou Gehrig might well have had 3000+ hits)
Kind of funny how Melancon only pitches in games we’re getting blown out in, and he hits guys and throws wild pitches in every one.
Sting Ray’s is a great spot! Fish sandwich is amazing. Good call. We suggested Huc-A-Poos in Tybee. We know the owner and the day before we left for Maine in May I was guest bartender for the SPCA there…Great karma spot. Even better people..
-dennis
you basically said “spare me the Yankees pitchers have no control – they’ve hit the most batters in the league”
there is a correlation there pea brain. word your argument in a way so you don’t contradict yourself then.
Yankees pitching not good enough,for postseason.
They need more than CC.Mo,Ace,and Phil,what a throw away game Joe managed tonight.The Mitre love affair needs to be over.
Toronto has nothing at stake,why, why would any Yankee,risk suspension,down the stretch?
Where was the passion,when they had numerous people on base,and couldn’t bring them home?
Well if they examine the tape to hand out suspensions then I think Shelly’s getting busted because he’s the one guy you can clearly see throwing punches.
nick in sf-
i think you should have angel’s back against christina 25.
trolls aren’t guests.
they’re trolls.
When the Yanks were up 3-0 to the Sox in the ALCS it was also over then, right? Remember the no team has ever come back down 0-3…Um how did that work out? It is probably slim but anything is possible.
Sting-Rays sounds like a nice casual place……….yumm, fish sandwiches!
elbow.. that was a tap.. carlson intentionally threw at Jorge. As I posted way before Hill got hit by a pitch where are the strikes from Melancon? Yea a 22 yr old rookie is intentionally going to hit a guy with 100 + RBI’s!!!!
Carlson the tatooed punk threw behind jorge, throw at his feet, and the loser stayed on the bench wehn he should be in the clubhouse. I like that nice welt over Carlson eye, he deserved it…. No way Melancon hir Hill on purpose and that is the key fact……
some real clutch hitting tonight from the bronx boys… Duncan should have thrown a few haymakers…….
I read elsewhere that AJ landed the punch that gave that guy the welt (forget his name)……..If so, he’s suspended for a few games at least.
The team better win tomorrow or this entire brawl will look foolish.
Rex
Actually the Red Sox pitchers are # 1 in hitting batters.
Edwar 110 pounds was dragging Barahas 210 like a dog. GO YANKEES!!!
after tonight’s fiasco coupled w/Boston’s impressive display against the Angels the Red Sox have jumped all the way up to a 3.8% chance of winning the division:
http://www.coolstandings.com/b.....gs.asp?i=1
the divisional race is over, it’s all about best record in the league.
Betsy.
Still on. I have insomnia as you know. Just email Amy back if you would like other ideas.
Cheers.
-dennis
“Touchy tonight?”
Yes. Apparently, I am. And its affecting my reading comprehension skills.
I’ve really tried to tone down my fiesty tendencies on this blog too. *sigh*
Honestly? I was actually bit upset that I might have offended you, and a tiny bit upset with myself that losing my temper made you think I was a silly poster like her. You’re one of the posters whose posts and sense of humor I really like on here. Sorry for misunderstanding.
I thought we were all guests?
But just to be crystal clear:
Angel good.
Christina25 bad!
The people on this board will tell you that that 3.8% chance of blowing the division is all the reason necessary to panic.
for anyone who missed the brawl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2eYQYHdjxI
“there is a correlation there pea brain. word your argument in a way so you don’t contradict yourself then.”
Read it within the context of the entire post, Beavis.
Yankees are nowhere near the top of baseball in walks or wild pitches. They are 2nd in strikeouts, a fairly remarkable feat for an AL team, yet they somehow lead the game in hitting batters, apparently all by accident if we are to believe the many no-control freaks posting this evening.
Melancon will learn the hard way – stop throwing inside to guys in blowout games or you’re going to get your teammates hurt.
You don’t think these relievers on teams with nothing to play for won’t hesitate to lay one right in the ribs or at the wrist?
Betsy September 15th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I read elsewhere that AJ landed the punch that gave that guy the welt (forget his name)……..If so, he’s suspended for a few games at least.
AJ was not even close to Carlson and Posada
Betsy
September 15th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
I hear Mrs. Wilkes has great fried chicken ……yumm. I am a Southerner, I think, in a Northerner’s body, lol. Actually, when I spent some time at a resort outside Knoxville, TN, I was declared an honorary southerner……I’m so proud, lol. GB, I will not be shopping, lol. I hate HATE shopping..unless for books or food. I am mostly interested in historical sites or sites that are important to Savannah – I will not be seeing the inside of a mall on this trip, lol. Maybe
***I’ll go to Newbury street in Boston, though – I hear Mrs. Tex likes it.****
OK, Betsy, now you’re just trying to pick a fight with the Boston zanies. Dennis and Ray are family, so, picking on him is acceptable. We can pick on him, but, nobody else can.
There are a few old book stores around Bay and River streets and Oglethorpe has the prerequesite Barn’s and Noble (it’s hughe) with great local history and cookbooks. “Ya’ll” should enjoy that, you little hillbilly.
All posters are not created equal.
I read elsewhere that AJ landed the punch that gave that guy the welt (forget his name)
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do you mean this guy:
http://tuonela.co.uk/images/nosferatu.jpg
Fryer
September 15th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Melancon will learn the hard way – stop throwing inside to guys in blowout games or you’re going to get your teammates hurt.
You don’t think these relievers on teams with nothing to play for won’t hesitate to lay one right in the ribs or at the wrist?
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Well Dave Eiland encourages his pitchers pitching inside. THey working on that in spring training. That is why the yanks pitchers lead the league in hitting batters.
“Angel good.
Christina25 bad!”
that a boy nick in sf
Vincente Padilla was always hated by his teammates because he caused brawls everytime he pitched because he threw at guys.
Melancon better not follow that path. Even if it isin’t on purpose, he’s going to be watched closely now.
Hope Rishi doesn’t mind but his post bears repeating. Please read – you may see yourself once of twice in the post. Regarding the Joba Rules and fan reaction to it.
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Rishi
September 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Has this been posted?
GREAT article re: the Joba Rules
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports…..Rf9LBMvIJO
Angel, no worries at all. You didn’t offend me in the slightest and I’m sorry I made my comment sloppily.
To reiterate:
You good.
Christina25 bad!
Tempers are running a little short as we grind the season down to a nub. What this blog really needs is another comment by Alyssa Milner. Please?
I should have gone with “all play nice in the sandbox together” analogy.
Betsy,
You need to stay here, or at least not repeat what you read on other less reputable sites. They’re always posting false info.
“Actually the Red Sox pitchers are # 1 in hitting batters.”
Insomuch as Boston’s 60 is more than the Yankees’ 64 (66 now), I suppose you’re correct.
read the caption for this photo espn posted
http://espn.go.com/mlb/photos?.....=290915110
Wow- I missed all kinds of chaos tonight!
Angel, are my super powers needed?
Geez Yanks now just 5 up in the loss column against Sawx and Sports Center said DiceK looked better than ever shutting out LAA for 6+ innings.I can’t help feeling nervous. If this gets with 3 or less Girardi will over manage us into the Wild Card (which means ANGELS in the first round!!)
Anyone else find it incredible that Arod and David Ortiz have essentially the same number of home runs? Didn’t he have like 10 until 6 weeks ago?
Branden
You said the Yankees don’t have the pitching to win in the postseason. First of all these predictions mean nothing. Anything can happen in the postseason so shut up !
“I read elsewhere that AJ landed the punch that gave that guy the welt (forget his name)”
you mean this guy:
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_.....itzkyx.jpg
“Melancon better not follow that path. Even if it isn’t on purpose, he’s going to be watched closely now”
If he doesn’t learn to command the FB on the inner half this will continue to be an issue.
I don’t know where that good command he displays in the minors is at. The ball just sails on him when he’s trying to come inside.
Yankees are nowhere near the top of baseball in walks or wild pitches. They are 2nd in strikeouts, a fairly remarkable feat for an AL team, yet they somehow lead the game in hitting batters, apparently all by accident if we are to believe the many no-control freaks posting this evening.
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than back up your original comment with the facts instead of posting some silly self contradicting statement and expecting others to read your mind. but what else could be expected from you trolls?
you talk about understanding context yet you maintain wild melancon who has control issues and mitre’s change up earlier were intentional?
dennis-Costanza
September 15th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Sting Ray’s is a great spot! Fish sandwich is amazing. Good call. We suggested Huc-A-Poos in Tybee. We know the owner and the day before we left for Maine in May I was guest bartender for the SPCA there…Great karma spot. Even better people..
-dennis
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Yeah….;ove Tybee Island, even in early December. It’s windy on the beach, but, not usually freezing. They have some great Bed & Breakfasts there. Incredible scenery and the sun rises over the ocean are gorgeous. On the way there, just past Thunderbolt is Fort Pulaski. They have the origional photos and sell copies of the first known photographed baseball game in progress….around 1862. It was actually a platoon photo, but, in the background on the parade field is a baseball game being played by confederate soliers. Copies hang at the HOF.
Rex
Sorry I never updated the numbers so you are correct. But the Red Sox are right up there with the Yankees but I don’t see you talking about them.
GB7.
LOL. That is why we host family for Thanksgiving on the island. The last ferry is 5:15PM. Just about the time the booze hits the veins to talk religion and or politics..
My family puts the fun in dysFUNcional!
-dennis
Carl, thanks…….Hardwired, that’s pretty ugly, lol
Dennis, I replied to Amy’s e-mail – I wasn’t able to open the attachment.
GB……ah, book stores. I will try to check all those places out…….maybe I’ll buy a cookbook and cook me some grits. Wait, on second thought, I’m too lazy……Seriously, I would like to make it out there to check out the local interest books. Hillbilly? Them’s fightin words……
Sox play Baltimore this weekend… another sweep for them.
Boy, they are chipping away at our lead, it may be down to 2 or so by the time they come to the stadium. We’re not even playing that badly, Boston is just on a .800 baseball tear.
Frank & Beans
September 15th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Edwar 110 pounds was dragging Barahas 210 like a dog. GO YANKEES!!!
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Yeah that was funny; Edwar dragging Barajas by the collar while staring down the rest of the Blue Jays. Talk about the size of the fight in the dog.
FWIW the Yanks are 2nd in the AL in walks given up. Plus they’re 3rd in wild pitches.
All this crazy is too much for me. Good night Yankee people!!!
“dysfunctional”
My spelling is brutal this eve.
-guest
Girardi has put Marte back in the doghouse lol
dennis-Costanza
September 15th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
GB7.
LOL. That is why we host family for Thanksgiving on the island. The last ferry is 5:15PM. Just about the time the booze hits the veins to talk religion and or politics..
My family puts the fun in dysFUNcional!
-dennis
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I just avoid the family dinners, send a bottle of booze and let them tear up their own homes. We’re not quite civilized, yet.
Magic Number of 6 for the playoffs and 12 for the division.
I’d consider myself a pessimist, so I can’t help but fear that the worst case scenario for the divison lead will come to pass, but at least the playoffs seems assured. Not to have low expectations, but after last year, I’ll be happy once it’s mathematically impossible for them to be on the outside looking in during October.
Que sera sera.
“I read elsewhere that AJ landed the punch that gave that guy the welt (forget his name)”
you mean this guy:
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Maybe it’s this guy?
http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedi.....447188.jpg
Jeremy:
That’s because I don’t much care about the Red Sox. I do recall how much we use to hate the Sox hitting the Yankees earlier in the decade (read: the Martinez era in Boston) but the shoe’s on the other foot now. Yankees have three of the Top 8 guys in the AL at hitting batters. My point is, when that’s the case, Yankees batters will get thrown at from time to time and they should know that an have to maintain their composure. Not a big deal as it ends up because I think their lead is close to insurmountable, but if the Yankees were 2-3 games and Posada scores himself a September suspension, then we’d have a bit of a problem.
lol. Just saw the replay on the espn.com recap.
Lots of funny things.
1. Posada didn’t need to throw the elbow. Carlson wasn’t blocking his path.
2. WTH is up with Melancon? He’s going to get our guys killed.
3. That welt is great. What’s a skinny kid like Carlson thinking lipping off like that?
Betsy.
I will tell her in the AM. She and Samantha went to bed. Look for another email in the AM. Could you not open the Word doc?
-dennis
Let’s all hold hands (well except w/Christina25) and sing kumbaya.
Betsy
September 15th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Carl, thanks…….Hardwired, that’s pretty ugly, lol
Dennis, I replied to Amy’s e-mail – I wasn’t able to open the attachment.
GB……ah, book stores. I will try to check all those places out…….maybe I’ll buy a cookbook and cook me some grits. Wait, on second thought, I’m too lazy……Seriously, I would like to make it out there to check out the local interest books. Hillbilly? Them’s fightin words……
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I’m not afraid of you, Betsy. You’re only an honorary hillbilly. Barely have a pink neck, so far. It might get red in a few years down here.
And stay away from restaurants that serve instant grits. If you get grits in less than 20 minutes, they’re instant.
RalphieD (OPPC) September 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
hopefully mitre can twirl a gem tonight!…
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or not
Hey Dennis
It started to open, but my computer is not set up to accept Microsoft Works (I think that’s what it was)…..I have Microsoft Word, though….
Bed sounds like a nice place to be……I need to be getting there myself.
Have a good evening, all!
wow, looking at these replays, “Sonny Corleone Posada threw an elbow”
really? he “threw” an elbow? that little jab? people are making it sound like he swung an elbow like cheap shot artist Isiah Thomas and broke the guy’s nose.
over sensationalize it some more.
GB, forget the barely pink neck. My ugly, thick NY accent would give me away in a heartbeat. Once I speak, I think I may be kicked out of the state of GA for subjecting innocent people to my screeching, lol.
I’ll keep that in mind about the grits, lol.
GB, forget the barely pink neck. My ugly, thick NY accent would give me away in a heartbeat. Once I speak, I think I may be kicked out of the state of GA for subjecting innocent people to my screeching, lol.
I’ll keep that in mind about the grits, lol.
timo
September 15th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Frank & Beans
September 15th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Edwar 110 pounds was dragging Barahas 210 like a dog. GO YANKEES!!!
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Yeah that was funny; Edwar dragging Barajas by the collar while staring down the rest of the Blue Jays. Talk about the size of the fight in the dog.
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Isn’t Millar on the Blue Jays? and didn’t Millar say how he’d like a shot at Edwar after he got hit last year and how Edwar was a little guy who didn’t throw hard? well looks like that nancy had his chance tonight and did squat. perfect example of shut your mouth and play baseball.
Didn’t Edwar punch Cito Gatson?
Was that retaliation for McDonalds punching Girardi?
“Angel, are my super powers needed?”
LOL. Not now. The red cloth that baited me has vanished. My claws are retracted and I’m reading posts carefully now.
Why can’t I shake this feeling that Yanks and Sox will be tied (or worse) by the time the Yanks finish this West Coast road trip? Is it me or do they just look flat lately?
Magic Number of 6 for the playoffs and 12 for the division.
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thus, if the Yanks go 8-8 and the Red Sox (who have 19 games left to play) go 15-4, the Yanks win the division.
I can live w/that.
Edwar threw a punch? That’s like Flat Stanley throwing a punch. Impossible when you’re a 2-D character.
Betsy
September 15th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
GB, forget the barely pink neck. My ugly, thick NY accent would give me away in a heartbeat. Once I speak, I think I may be kicked out of the state of GA for subjecting innocent people to my screeching, lol.
I’ll keep that in mind about the grits, lol.
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Trust me, Betsy…if you were a real southern woman, I wouldn’t have the guts to talk back to you. They get a little mean down here.
Grits…..My Cousin Vinny……Grits, nasty tasting….
flicka September 15th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Why can’t I shake this feeling that Yanks and Sox will be tied (or worse) by the time the Yanks finish this West Coast road trip? Is it me or do they just look flat lately?
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Because it must be in your blood to panic without a good reason.
after watching the replay , i must say posada is one determined guy once he sets his mind to getting after someone.
he went through people like butter to get to carlson.
Matt September 15th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Didn’t Edwar punch Cito Gatson?
Was that retaliation for McDonalds punching Girardi?
Edwar pushed Cito’s hand away while trying to restrain Barajas.
McDonald reached around Tex while trying to restrain him and hit Girardi on accident.
Giuseppe Franco September 15th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
flicka September 15th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Why can’t I shake this feeling that Yanks and Sox will be tied (or worse) by the time the Yanks finish this West Coast road trip? Is it me or do they just look flat lately?
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Because it must be in your blood to panic without a good reason.
I think its just Red Sox fans trolling.
Edwar threw a punch? That’s like Flat Stanley throwing a punch. Impossible when you’re a 2-D character.
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It’s like Gumby throwing a punch! lol.
Embarrassing loss all around. Sergio levitating pitches in the zone. A brawl. In a loss. In a game in which we pounded Roy Halladay.
It was funny at the end of the fight when CC was dragging Posada into the dug out. It looked like a mama bear carrying her cub. lol I doubt anyone is going to mess with the big man or Shelly.
its all ebb and flow…. stay calm and all will be ok.
“Why can’t I shake this feeling that Yanks and Sox will be tied (or worse) by the time the Yanks finish this West Coast road trip? Is it me or do they just look flat lately?”
It’s really not as outrageous as it seems. We go out for 6 games on the West against 2 good teams while Boston plays Baltimore and KC.
We go 2-4, they go 5-1, lead is down to 2 games before starting a series with us.
We may not actually blow the division, but it will probably get much closer, enough to make us uncomfortable. Boston is playing to well and our pitching is in a funk outside of CC.
This team bounces back after ugly losses. They’ve done it all season and I expect that trend to continue.
Boston’s “road trip” includes Baltimore and KC. Two teams they can beat with their eyes shut.
It’s not like going to Chicago or Texas.
Mitre losing to Halladay is embarrassing?
The Yankees were the underdog in this game. Rare for a home game.
We got 2 runs off Halladay. Not exactly a pounding.
And — if I dare — something like 100% of baseball brawls occur in games in which there is a loss.
And on that note,
Matt,
Never mind that the Red Sox are two completely different teams on the road and at home.
They’ve been under .500 on the road all season long.
They don’t have 16 home games left. But they do have a 10-game road trip starting on Friday.
If the Yanks simply play .500 ball over their remaining games, it would still be an enormous task for the Red Sox to go 16-3 during that same span.
and the graeme lloyd brawl mvp award goes to…? duncan? edwar? girardi? i give it to joe he got pretty roughed up and was in the thick of it although edwar did impress me it looked like he spooked cito good.
“but it will probably get much closer, enough to make us uncomfortable.”
You already sound uncomfortable.
Sox are playing 20 games without an off day and 10 on the road which has been less than stellar for them.
I would think Francona would be more focused on making sure his players are fresh and rested than chasing a possible division win when they are getting an invite to the postseason either way but I could be wrong.
Best post of the day ! Didn’t get the 1st post but got the 2nd. LOL and still laughing.
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Stultus Magnus
September 15th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Nick in SF says:
September 15, 2009 at 10:23 pm
AJ punched Posada?
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Yes, AJ, Joba, and sneaky Cervelli punched Posada.
Posada threw an elbow Pete?
the TV angles weren’t great, but it sure looked like Carlson purposely got in front of him and stuck his glove out.
i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt though with your view