More takes on the Bronx brawl
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 16, 2009 
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Mark Feinsand blogged about the brawl.
So did Tyler Kepner.
Good stuff from both of those guys. And I’m not just saying that because we’re friends. OK, maybe I am. But read them anyway.
o’realy,
I’m a pacifist, but a part of me likes the fact that the Yankee pitchers are watching the backs of their teammates.
I loved the Torre Way, but I was sick and tired of Jeter and Alex getting plunked time after time.
And I was disgusted when the Phillies and the Dodgers got into a beanball war, and Torre nearly flew to the railing and was yapping at the other team in one particular incident.
So, I do appreciate the protection. But sometimes enough is enough already. And the elbow was too much. Carlson got what he wanted which was to get under Jorge’s skin. The elbow, the brawl, the badge of honor on his forehead? More than he could ever have dreamed of.
So Jorge’s not the bad guy, just wrong.
Jorge “peepee hands” Posada goes for the 1st round KO and tries to cripple Carlson with the meanest male mammary mangler in recorded history.
Matsui ran out of the dugout and immediately needed his knees drained.
Meanwhile, Shelley “Skull Crunchin” Duncan comes out of nowhere and starts hammer-fisting at random without regard for human life.
Cervelli and Molina were about to jump in when A.J. Burnett put his hands on their shoulders and said, “Hang back. Lets see how this plays out.”
Then he made some shifty eyes and slowly grinned.
Edwar “The Geico Gecko” Ramirez almost locked Barajas in the million-dollar dream but Cito “The Openly Yankeephobic One” Gaston blindsides The Gecko with a steel-chair shot to the temple.
A-Rod respects the rules of the tag match and waits outside the ropes until a teammate legally tags him into the fracas. He is never tagged in.
Derek “The All-Time Yankee Leader in Insisting on Consistently Being Consistent” Jeter sets an all new MLB record for sneak cliche attacks. The sneak cliche attacks by themselves do no damage but have the effect of lulling the opponent into an hypnotic state. It is only until Jeter gives the command where the damage is done. On camera you can see Jeter clearly mouth the words, “Don’t beat yourself up over this.” But what you can’t tell is that Derek said “don’t” and “over this” under his breath. Evil genius.
Brett “The Threat” Gardner was so fast reacting that he actually ran in between Carlson and Posada and was accidentally beaten to death by both of them.
Some random fan ran down from his seat into the luxury seating area to get a better view of the mayhem.
Lonn Trost and Randy Levine proceeded to beat the man repeatedly over the head with a pair of 24k gold complimentary food trays while screaming “get out of my home you subhuman filth from beyond the moat of glory!!!!”
They spat on him and cleaned their hands with the most pristine water from freshly melted polar icecaps that were not melted by global warming but by Legends Hospitality Management. The Brawl Street Jaw Brokers dried their hands with several crisp $100 bills and threw them in the garbage as they left.
CC “I’ll bring a bloodbath to ya” Sabathia has seen enough and begins digging to the bottom of the pile by flinging people by the collar. He gets to the bottom, scoops Jorge into the palm of his hand and carries him into the clubhouse.
And that’s how I choose to remember this “brawl” going down.
m-
i get what you’re saying, and i agree that sometimes things can get to a level wayyy beyond what’s necessary – and tonight was probably one of those situations, but still, Jorge was only half to blame, and I just felt like you were laying it all on his shoulders.
Bottom line, I guess I don’t see the point in crying over spilled milk here. The brawl happened, and we can view it however we want, but this is not a team that’s gonna fight every day, so we can take comfort in knowing that 99.9% of the time, our guys go the peaceful route, but now that other teams know that we’ll throw down that .1% of the time, maybe they won’t be so quick to start a beanball war with us
i’m gonna head off to bed, good fight, good night.
I’ve gotta agree…Posada did a classless, bush league thing last night, and he be suspended for it. It could have ended up a lot worse.
It was stupid and pointless and not ok just because no one got hurt. Actually, someone did get hurt – an umpire. That jerk probably wouldn’t have thrown the bottle if there wasn’t a brawl going on at the time. Who’s going to get hurt tomorrow?
Don’t act like a child and worry about who started it, be a man and end it.
intelligently & peacefully.
see, this would have never happen if Molina was catching.
Posada and Carlson just need to get on the same page.
(spicy ramen, couldn’t sleep)
The ratings should be high for tonight’s game.
Gaudin is pitching; that’s to be expected.
Pel,
Very funny stuff about AJ conspiring with the backup singers. Mebbe the lead singer has an unfortunate accident that leaves him unable to fulfill his duties?
You evil, evil person!
Good one, Pel!
Now, even if/when Jorgie gets suspended, he gets to rest. Good deal – fresher for the playoffs. Lost in the shuffle is the fact that Cervelli’s eyes hypnotized him into the run-in.
o’realy,
Yes, I was harsh on Jorge. Just think he should stay above the fray so to speak. He’s a respected veteran, not only in the clubhouse, but throughout the game. And I also said that Carlson should get suspended for taking a swing (of course he missed, but that’s why he’s a middle reliever).
And I do agree that it can serve to spark the team. How can that not get the engines revved up? Hopefully, the Yankees will show up and give a good motivated butt-whooping to the going-nowhere-Blue Jays.
It’s a real shame Posada doesn’t show that kind of “passion” when he’s playing the game.
The guy will throw a cheap-shot elbow at somebody, but he can’t manage enough in the way of guts to block a plate, or even a breaking ball in the dirt, for that matter.
>You evil, evil person!
This was not a smart move on Posada’s part and now the Yankees are going to pay the price by losing him for five games.
A lot of Yankee fans are applauding his actions, but if he’s suspended and the appeal is heard before the Red Sox series, how many of you are going to be happy with him missing that series which is entirely possible.
The Yankees have bigger fish to fry then getting into some fight with a middle reliever on a team going nowhere except fishing in a couple of weeks.
Digya notice ARod stayed completely outta the scrum. Now that was clutch.
First of all, I am really tired over the use of words describing what Jorge did. To read some accounts he pulled an MMA move to throw an elbow. He didn’t. Kepner got it a little more correct saying he elbowed him, but even there, the description is escalating what actually happened.
Posada took his “revenge” on that mean old glove of Carlson. Only his glove moved. Go look at the countless replays of the video. Carlson mouthed off, acting like the tough guy punk (which is further demonstrated by the proliferation of tatoos on his skinny arms).
Jorge was wrong, but more because it gave an excuse to a classless organization to fight, than any exchange that occurred up to that point.
Toronto hasn’t been relevant in years. The crap they show on their stadium screen, the crap they say, the way they advertise, even the way they treated Halladay with the trade garbage and giving Rios away shows they are on their way down and out.
There is far more to this than just the throwing behind Jorge. And Jorge bumping the glove of the wimpy pitcher was just the spark to let it out in the open.
I gotta tell ya…
The Baseball Tonight guys seemed to lay most of the blame on Carlson (Even though Gammons took his obligatory shot at the Yankees.)
That being said, Pete is right about Posada being above that crap.
Posada seems to always be mad or at odds with someone, usually one of his own pitchers. Is he that way off the field, too?
I know that he and Jeter are BFF, but they seemingly couldn’t be any more different, personality-wise.
Pel-
love your version, I think that is how I will remember it too.
Well ESPN is using the fracas for their highlight reel.You know how much they love anything negative about the Yankees.
Posada was probably frustrated after having to catch for Mitre and company,who were throwing runs,burying the team.
I knew this was a throw away game,when Phil and Ace were both used the day before,in THE SAME GAME,and how long he was allowed to stay in the game.
Joe has always said Mitre was good for 100 pitches,and by gosh,nothing was going to get in the way of that,EVEN if he can’t throw strikes.
The funniest part of the whole incident was that Girardi was the first one out of the dugout in the middle of it.
What no one seems to be noticing is that Jesse Carlson put himself in Jorge’s base path. Everyone is blaming hip hip Jorge but Carlson wasn’t even in line where the ball would have been coming from. He purposely put himself in the path. I’m not excusing Posada but I can see where Carlson didn’t let it go either. There was no reason for Carlson to be between home plate and the Yankees dugout – that was the wrong angle period.
Giradi was just trying to protect his players, not brawl.
I just watched the video of the brawl, all in all it was a typical baseball fight, meaning nothing happened.
The one that is to blame in all this, though, is Mark Melancon. He has now hit 4 batters in less than 20 innings and has no business pitching in the major leagues at this point in his career. He might be an excellent AAA pitcher (big deal) but can’t smell home plate in the big leagues and just keeps making excuses about how the ‘ball got away’ from him. I have an idea for the Yankees-send him about as far away from the team for the rest of the year as his pitches get from the strike zone, maybe it will save some lives for the post season.
Carlson throwing behind Jorge is professional? LOL……Why didn’t he just drill him on the thigh or another place with meat on the bone (even the shoulder). If Carlson had missed, he could have hit Jorge in the back – that would have been fantastic.
I still blame Jorge for being a baby – he should have just moved on. Now he will (deservedly so) be suspended for a week’s worth of games (at least……I just hope no one came out of this with an injury. The brawl was just so stupid.
“I’m not excusing Posada but I can see where Carlson didn’t let it go either”
Carlson likely will draw a suspension as well.
Mark Melancon wasn’t “making excuses” when he said the ball got away from him.
I don’t believe for a second he’s trying to drill these guys.
What is it with fans and their dumb “no excuses” nonsense?
These guys aren’t trying to suck and they sure as hell aren’t losing their command just to piss off the fans.
I love the passion and fire that Jorge brings to the team, but in this case he had to let it go.
Posada could have let it go but that’s not Posada. He’s emotional and he’s a bit of a hot head.
Any other Yankee most likely would have let it go and accept it as retaliation which it was.
He’ll get suspended but it won’t kill the Yankees. He probably can use a nice little vacation anyway.
I was wondering if you were friends with Mark Feinsand. I’m not sure you have noticed this but sometimes you write similar things in your blogs, I think once you guys had the same exact joke. lol
That happens a lot on these different blogs.
The beat writers often make the very same points on their respective blogs and news stories and, in effect, they help set the agenda and Yankee story of the day.
If Carlson wasn’t waiting for Posada after he scored, and he was actually “backing up the catcher” as he should have been… then there would not have been a brawl. Carlson put himself in that situation
Danny
September 16th, 2009 at 8:00 am
What no one seems to be noticing is that Jesse Carlson put himself in Jorge’s base path. Everyone is blaming hip hip Jorge but Carlson wasn’t even in line where the ball would have been coming from. He purposely put himself in the path. I’m not excusing Posada but I can see where Carlson didn’t let it go either. There was no reason for Carlson to be between home plate and the Yankees dugout – that was the wrong angle period.
EXACTLY!!!…not that Jorge was right but Carlson set that up.
Giuseppe Franco
September 16th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Mark Melancon wasn’t “making excuses” when he said the ball got away from him.
I don’t believe for a second he’s trying to drill these guys.
What is it with fans and their dumb “no excuses” nonsense?
These guys aren’t trying to suck and they sure as hell aren’t losing their command just to piss off the fans.
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you missed the point, Melancon shouldn’t be pitching for the Yankees this year. No big league pitcher drills 4 batters in 20 innings. Even Brian Bruney, the latest whipping boy amongst the brilliance on the LoHud blog, who ‘can’t throw strikes’ has only hit 1 batter all year. It doesn’t matter if he makes excuses or not, he shouldn’t be in the big leagues until he can avoid hitting batters at a ridiculously high rate.
MG September 16th, 2009 at 8:38 am
you missed the point, Melancon shouldn’t be pitching for the Yankees this year. No big league pitcher drills 4 batters in 20 innings. Even Brian Bruney, the latest whipping boy amongst the brilliance on the LoHud blog, who ‘can’t throw strikes’ has only hit 1 batter all year. It doesn’t matter if he makes excuses or not, he shouldn’t be in the big leagues until he can avoid hitting batters at a ridiculously high rate.
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Here’s a point you’ve obviously missed.
The Yanks currently have Joba on an innings limit and both Mitre and Gaudin in the rotation right now. Not to mention skipping Pettitte for a start.
So the Yanks need a bunch of extra arms in the bullpen to compensate for that and Melancon is one of them.
And for the record, both Joba and Burnett have drilled a bunch of hitters. In fact, I’d bet that Burnett is among the leader in hit batsmen in the AL.
I guess Burnett and Joba don’t belong in the bigs, either.
Melancon has a lot of talent. He doesn’t have a feel for his command for whatever reason. He’ll get there. People just need to be patient with him. That’s how you develop young pitchers.
If there were ever was a department that needs to be overhauled in postseason,it’s the pitching coaches.
They aren’t developing the young pitchers.The glaring hole in this team is still pitching.Dave Duncan(pitching coach)in St Louis,might be available in the postseason,he’s angry with the Cards,over how they treated Shelly’s brother,Chris.
He won’t answer,if he’s returning after the season.
How was Tomko right under the Yankees nose,released and overlooked?
What reason is Edwar still on this team?
Why was Joba rushed through the minors so quickly?
Who lent their expertise to Cashman,to go after AJ?
Jorge can’t help being fired up,look how the bad pitchers are fighting with him.It’s a battle of wills at times.
If I have to see this replay of the brawl one more time….
If Jorge is suspended,Cerevelli we know can feel in for 5 games.
My problem is why the Yankees would allow themselves to risk getting to postseason, by a team playing games that don’t matter.Why risk Mo,CC,Phil,Ace,et al,very much needed for clinching the division.
The most frustrating thing about last nlght’s game was the amount of players that got on base especially on 2nd and 3rd,that weren’t brought home.
You put me vs. Carlson that guy not gonna be ready to pitch till my next real start in 2015.
What I’m waiting for is today’s injury report. As of last night, everyone was fine. But oftentimes things start aching the next morning.
I don’t like baseball brawls. I think they always do more harm than good, and certainly more harm than is necessary.
It looked to me that Posada brushed the pitcher, but Jorge himself seems to be saying it was his fault. Maybe he means the brawl after the brush. I don’t know.
Seriously, I just want everything to get back on track because selfishly, I need some light-hearted, uplifting entertainment.
Why is it that when one pitcher on the Yankees has a melt down none of the rest of them seem any good either? The bullpen is great when the Yankees are winning or tied. but when they are behind, or more precisely, when the starter is really, really bad and you can tell it ain’t gettin’ any better, many times (not all the time), the rest of the guys who come in don’t really help matters. No one stops the bleeding very well. anyway, that’s my perception, and I realize I may be wrong or overstating.
Have to run.
Hope today is a better day all around, both for the Yankees and for me.
Where, oh where is Don Zimmer when you really need him?
Joba Joba
September 16th, 2009 at 9:19 am
You put me vs. Carlson that guy not gonna be ready to pitch till my next real start in 2015.
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Not even funny. Really pathetic, junior.
It is realy spooky how much I always agree with G. Franco. After I read one of his posts I always say — wish I said that.
What gets me the most about these fights that involve a pitcher is that they get suspended for 5 games lets say, and yet they only miss one start …But a player gets suspended for 5 games and he misses all 5 games..this is not right if the team that has the regular player suspended for 5 games they have to suck it up and move on, but the pitchers team almost gets a free ride for his(protecting his team mates)let`s say!…If baseball truly wants to stop pitchers from throwing at batters then they need to give them the same length of suspensions to pitchers as they do to the rest of the players!..If you are a manager in a pennant race are you going to put up with your ace pitcher let`s say getting suspended for 5 starts just to act like a fool and throw at batters?..NOT!
I always think of the Bill Lee episode when I see brawls. Generally, they’re dumb with dumb sauce added. Jorge should have just let it go. But hey, him having five days off to rest may not be a bad thing at this point in the season.