Game 150: Yankees at Mariners
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 20, 2009 
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YANKEES (95-54)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cabrera RF
Gardner CF
Pitching: RHP Joba Chamberlain (8-5, 4.39).
MARINERS (77-72)
Suzuki RF
Gutierrez CF
Lopez 2B
Griffey Jr. DH
Beltre 3B
Hall LF
Carp 1B
Moore C
Wilson SS
Pitching: RHP Ian Snell (4-2, 4.86).
TIME/TV: 4:10, YES.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees start the day six games ahead of Boston in the division. The Red Sox now have the second-best record in the AL as well. The Yankees will clinch a playoff spot today if they win and Texas loses. … The Yankees have won two of three, 8 of 12, 17 of 24 and 44 of 61.
MONSTER MASH: Hideki Matsui is 17 of 40 with 12 RBI and is up to .280 on the season. He is second on the team with 86 RBI but eighth in plate appearances.
DAMONIC: Johnny Damon is 6 of 8 in this series with three doubles.
TORRID TEX: Mark Teixeira leads the AL with 118 RBI and is second with 37 homers. His batting average is up to .289.
FALL BALL: Robinson Cano is 25 of 68 (.368) this month and is a career .351 hitter in September and October. That is best among active players.
JOBAMANIA: Chamberlain is 0-3 with a 7.07 ERA in his last seven starts, allowing 38 hits and 11 walks over 28 innings. The Yankees have limited Chamberlain to 13 innings in his last four starts. His last two starts — 7 innings, 7 hits, 3 earned runs, 1 walk, 5 strikeouts — have been better.
MO IN THE SHOW: Mariano Rivera has appeared in at least 60 games 12 times in his career. The record is 13 by Mike Stanton.
PHIL FRANCHISE: Yankees relievers have a 3.47 ERA since Phil Hughes joined the bullpen. It was 4.88 prior to that. Opposing hitters are 1 for 16 with RISP against Hughes since he became a reliever.
ON THE iPOD RIGHT NOW: Masters of War by Pearl Jam.
Back with more later.
UPDATE, 2:23 p.m.: A few pre-game notes for you:
• Jorge Posada is back but is still dealing with that stiff neck he came out of the brawl with.
• Chad Gaudin is your new No. 5 starter. Sergio Mitre has been banished to the bullpen.
• Joba will be going at least five innings today.
• Nick Swisher is getting a day off to deal with assorted bumps and bruises, mainly with his legs.
• Dave Robertson really let it go when he played catch before the game and looked good. He’ll get off the mound on Tuesday in Anaheim. He’ll be back quick.
• It’s distressing the Patriots are up 9-3 and it could easily be 17-3. But that’s OK.
Back with more later on.
UPDATE, 4:10 p.m.: Despite the utter failure of the once-mighty Patriots, I shall press on and cover the game. … We are underway in Seattle on a beautiful day here.
UPDATE, 4:12 p.m.: Hey, Jeter got a hit the other way. I’m fairly sure that is how the Yankees have started the game 137 times this season. At least it seems that way.
UPDATE, 4:24 p.m.: Poor start there for the Yankees. After Jeter and Damon get on, Tex, A-Rod and Matsui go down meekly. They let Snell off the hook.
UPDATE, 4:57 p.m.: If the Yankees just left Joba off the playoff roster for the first round and sent him to Tampa to try and get himself fixed, could you blame them?
They should make it clear to him during the winter that he does not have the team made in 2010. This is disgraceful, giving up seven runs in two innings to a poor offensive team.
UPDATE, 5:26 p.m.: So who do you like for Game 4 in the ALCS? The choices are Chad Gaudin, Ian Kennedy, Alfredo Aceves or Nick Swisher.
It sure can’t be Joba.
UPDATE, 5:28 p.m.: Another three-inning gem for Joba.
His last 8 starts: 31 innings, 44 hits, 29 earned runs, 14 walks. That’s an 8.42 ERA.
UPDATE, 5:31 p.m.: Joba threw two more pitches than his last outing. What exactly is the point of all this? He had thrown 67 in his last game. Why not just leave him out there to throw 85 and get stretched out?
UPDATE, 6:00 p.m.: Yankees are down 7-0 and getting three-hit by Ian Snell. Barring them coming back to life, this will be five losses in the last nine games and a lead of five games against the Red Sox with the next six games against the Angels and Sox.
The only good news is that with Texas losing, the Yankees have clinched a tie for a postseason berth.
UPDATE, 6:11 p.m.: In a stunning development, Cano unable to get a hit with runners in scoring position. There may be no more confounding statistic in baseball than how he hits with RISP and without.
UPDATE, 7:01 p.m.: Yankees lose 7-1. Back later with a brief recap as I need to make a flight to Orange County.
Let’s go Yankees and let’s see a good outing from Jobber.
Busy busy sports day
Jeter DH
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hairston 3B
Cabrera LF
Gadner CF
looks like Pete hit submit a bit to early or something.
Joba goes 65 pitches today?
I think he goes 5 innings, Hopefully that will be around 65-70 pitches.
is that lineup guess or the real thing bears? fantasy baseball needs to know!
Hate it when the Giants play either on Sunday or Monday night.
bfarbs i mean
wait, is arod def. out of the lineup today?
The pressure of pitching meanlingless games versus the Indians and White Sox in front of a bunch of water fountains is not the same as the pressure of facing down the AL East and of anchoring a staff, especially a staff with a couple of knuckleheads.
I’m just guessing that’s how long he goes. It seems to fit a pattern though if your trying to get him to 6 or 7 innings.
BFARBS
September 20th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Jeter DH
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hairston 3B
Cabrera LF
Gadner CF
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2 DHs?
Pete reported that the theme for the rookie hazing is going to be Batman. He also reported that CC Sabathia will take the rookies to dinner when they get to California. I wonder why the Yankees didn’t hold off on the hazing until after the KC series when they were at home.
Why dont the Yaankees call up the great Austin Jackson? If he is our future center fielder you’d figure he would get a September call up. No? Whats the story?
Look for Hariston to screw up at Third Base like he usually does.
Why dont the Yaankees call up the great Austin Jackson? If he is our future center fielder you’d figure he would get a September call up. No? Whats the story?
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There isn’t any room for AJax on the 40 man roster right now. In the offseason they will probably lose Matsui and/or Damon (along with Edwar and Albaladejo) and will put him on the 40 man roster at that time. Be Patient…we don’t need AJax right now.
PJH: He isnt on the 40 man roster. If he was, hed be here in a heartbeat.
“Joba goes 65 pitches today?”
Last time out he hit 67… I bet they try and get him up to 80..
Today should be 5 innings for Joba. Girardi said his last 3 starts would be 5, 5, and then 6. Hopefully today he can continue to built off of his last start.
There isn’t any room for AJax on the 40 man roster right now. In the offseason they will probably lose Matsui and/or Damon (along with Edwar and Albaladejo) and will put him on the 40 man roster at that time. Be Patient…we don’t need AJax right now.
I wonder about Melky to. He has been an overachiever and I think they would like a CF that hits, plays good D, and has speed. Maybe Gardner is that guy. Also what happens to Hinske is he gone?
He has Not been an overachiever
next year the outfield can look like this.. on opening day
RF Swish/Melky
CF Gardner
LF Damon/AJAX
next year the outfield can look like this.. on opening day
RF Swish/Melky
CF Gardner
LF Damon/AJAX
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I doubt that you will see AJax at the beginning of the season next year. The Yankees have learned (after experience with Melky, Cano, Joba, Hughes and Kennedy) that it doesn’t work out well if you bring up young players too soon. I look for them to avoid repeating those experiences with future bright prospects
LF Damon/AJAX
I think Damon has to be willing to take less money to stay
brian (red sox fan)-
varitek ,himself, has the little flick move that i think a catcher has to have to frame a pitch. the glove very quickly just turns out of the zone to snatch the ball and with a flick of wrist the catcher brings it back in the zone to hold it there to give the ump a good look .
if done right the ump doesn’t see the flick with it being kind of a magician’s move of the hand being quicker than the eye.
i actually never saw a replay of the pitch to green, but if the catcher is actually moving his arm and glove to make it look better that will only annoy an ump. too obvious isn’t good.
from all the flack he received nationally i’d guess the ump blew the call.
on another note, is being a red sox fan a mental illness or just a personality disorder?
there was some discussion earlier of the difference between the two things
I could see those five guys sharing three jobs. Might let them keep Matsui at lesser $$$ but I suspect not. If they decide AJax is better to start the year playing every day in Scranton then they need a more versatile guy than Hinske who is almost useless defensively.
I favor keeping Hairston, giving Pena another year in Scranton and letting Cervelli replace Molina.
If they do that they have more than enough $aving$ to make a run at Lackey or Halladay to solidify the rotation, which will be critical if Pettite retires.
Obama hints at Cards-Yankees postseason matchup
(AP) – 4 hours ago
WASHINGTON — So who will be in the World Series, Mr. President?
President Barack Obama is such a big Chicago White Sox fan that he’s not making any predictions as long as his beloved home team has a mathematical shot at the playoffs.
But he’s tipping his hand a bit with mentions of the St. Louis Cardinals and the New York Yankees.
He tells NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the Cardinals are coming on strong. And he says slugging first baseman Albert Pujols is “unbelievable.” Pujols leads the big leagues in home runs, is tied for first in runs batted in, and is second in batting average in the National League.
As for the American League, Obama says the Yankees are doing well. And he singles out New York shortstop Derek Jeter for breaking Lou Gehrig’s team record for career hits. Obama calls Jeter “a classic.”
http://www.google.com/hostedne.....AD9AR2GNO5
Jackson in LF? Considering hes only played 28 games in LF, I dont see that happening. And besides that, I dont think Jackson is even ready to be a starter in any outfield position at the start of next year. I’d rather have him go to AAA for a portion of the season and be brought up later on. He still isnt ready and theres no point in rushing him.
Randy, good points but I think Technology has passed this balls and strikes thing by. Technology exists to get every call basically right. Beyond all the arguments I think everyone wants to get the call right. Televised games should show the frame and the ball location, whats the big secret.
randy
I saw the pitch in question and the movement of the glove should have made no difference.
They showed the pitch with the pitch zone box and it was clearly a strike.
Remy even said the ump blew it.
MaineYankee September 20th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
randy
I saw the pitch in question and the movement of the glove should have made no difference.
They showed the pitch with the pitch zone box and it was clearly a strike.
Remy even said the ump blew it.
Maine Yankee thanks for posting, just to my point lets get the calls right.
wait, whens the rookie hazing? hasnt it always been the final home game before the final road trip of the season? with the exception of last year because of the final game at the stadium, why has it changed?
Pete is going to get slammed at the Globe unless it’s the Dropkick Murphys, “Dirty Water” or “Sweet Caroline” on his ipod.
POV
There was no need for technology on that call.
It was clear to the eye.
I love me some Pearl Jam.
However, Eddie Vedder’s choice of friends makes me sick:
http://www.walkoffwalk.com/pics/vedder.jpg
Dennis-Coastanza…..I got the 42 tip……CC pitched 2 great games during his most 5 recent starts, and came away with a no decision…Yanks won both games which would put him at 20 wins….That was the Cy Young…..
POV
There was no need for technology on that call.
It was clear to the eye.
Totally agree, the electronics make the ball and strike calls as opposed to the human element. If it’s strike it should be a strike. If it’s not it’s a ball. Then your not getting players and managers run out of the game by big ego umps.
Nick in SF September 20th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Pete is going to get slammed at the Globe unless it’s the Dropkick Murphys, “Dirty Water” or “Sweet Caroline” on his ipod.
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I’m Shipping Up to Boston is more applicable for Pete.
That was the song Shelley Duncan come out to when he was in Scranton.
No offense to the Boston fans, but their pinning their pride to a poorly framed pitch?
Cy Young voters won’t punish Greinke THAT much for pitching in the central. They’ll do it a little, but there’s not way they’ll openly justify their pick of, let’s say, CC because he pitches in the AL East. You’ll never see that in a column.
Pov
I guess my point is for MLB needs to do a better job with holding umpires accountable.
Stop allowing them to be to much a part of the game. Just do their job.
It’s been said when you don’t notice an ump during a game they are doing a good job.
argh, too early. That’s “they’re” and “no”.
I’m loving the Jets defense…..Nick in SF, There is much mourning here in So. Cal. after yet another USC early season Pac 10 ambush……MVP, both Derek and Texeria are going to be splitting votes…..
“I’m Shipping Up to Boston is more applicable for Pete.”
My vote would be for “Please Come to Boston in the Spring Time” by Loggins & Messina. It would be much better (for us) to have him go for spring training instead of before the playoffs.
Maine, I’ve heard they get graded and that has something to do with post season assignments ect. What happens though when they make a blown call that effects the outcome seems to remain a secret. I agree when an official isn’t mentioned there is no controversy.
Pat M: Cal #6. USC #12.
Masters of War — great song. Excuse the irony of my user name.
Masters of War: That is an original Dylan song, right?
Cal Berkley Bears now in the BSC mix…..Do we see Ian Kennedy tonight…..Good to see that he’s no longer the most disliked Yankee anymore…Just last spring both he & Young Master Hughes were waiting for their bus tickets at the Port Of Authority…..
McGeorge, I wonder how many folks today would get that reference (your user name)?
Bombs away with Ricky Ledee!
That last verse of Master’s of War is, perhaps, Dylan’s angriest:
And I hope that you die
And your death’ll come soon
I’ll follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I’ll watch as you’re lowered
Into your deathbed
And I’ll stand on your grave till I’m sure that you’re dead
To answer the question above, hazing is done on the last road trip of the year…the humiliation is supposed to last from the ballpark, in transit, all the way to the team hotel.
I don’t believe the Yanks have any more road trips.
3 zip sox
There’s really no point in having players dress up in costumes when the fly into California. They’ll hardly be noticed. They’ll just appear normal….for there.
Ed H. — Perhaps more than you’d think. I’m only 23.
I got it and I’m only 12.
I guess the word competitive doesn’t mean anything in Baltimore…
though we’re rightly told to stay away from politics the key to understanding “unemployment approaching 10% ” is the number of lohud bloggers layed off from their jobs for being so unproductive at work .
i figure maybe a 2% boost to national unemployment figures because of this phenomenon.
if i i did’t own my own business i’d fire myself for being on the blog too much during work hours.
It is after all a Sunday. No work today!
“Ed H. — Perhaps more than you’d think. I’m only 23.”
I’m impressed, McGeorge. Truly.
Why the choice of this name?
When is Ajax gonna come up and start a game or two? WE WANT TO SEE AJAX!!
Maybe in the boston series? Big entrance for the BIG prospect…i say so!
“I got it and I’m only 12.”
Nick, you just had a birthday?
Ed H. — I read a few years ago Kai Bird’s excellent biography of the Bundy brothers, ‘The Color of Truth.’ I came away from it with a begrudging admiration for McGeorge Bundy. He was wrong on Vietnam, wrong on the missile crisis, but he managed to get some things right. I admire a lot of the work he did while president of the Ford Foundation.
Ajax still needs to work on off speed pitches and his strike outs. I would almost guarantee that he starts next the season in AAA if Melky and Gardner are healthy. If he starts off great in AAA then maybe we will see him around June or July. There is no reason to rush him and have him really struggle up here.
eric hinske where art thou
Joba to IPK to Phranchise = win
McGeorge – I will look for the biography. I grew up during the Viet Nam years and experienced the passions of those times. It would be interesting to reacquaint myself with someone who played an important role and then went on to lead a full, interesting life after the war ended. It would be fascinating to get his take on those times and in the role he played.
“I got it and I’m only 12.”
12 what?
with nick in sf, that could mean almost anything.
Please come to Boston for the springtime
I’m stayin’ here with some friends and they’ve got lots of room
You can sell your paintings on the sidewalk
By a café where I hope to be workin’ soon
Please come to Boston
She said no, would you come home to me
“Phil – Not a troll since 2007
September 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
To answer the question above, hazing is done on the last road trip of the year…the humiliation is supposed to last from the ballpark, in transit, all the way to the team hotel.
I don’t believe the Yanks have any more road trips”
They go to Tampa the last week of the season. the first week of October. 3-game series.
Yes, Ed H. Thanks for missing it — again.
Ed. H — There is a fantastic book, just released in paperback, called ‘Lessons in Disaster: McGeorge Bundy and the Path to War in Vietnam,’ written by Gordon Goldstein. Bundy had enlisted Goldstein as a collaborator/co-author for his memoirs; Bundy died before their project could be completed. Goldstein draws on much of the material he and Bundy worked on together. Great book. Pick it up if you have the chance.
Pats stink- GO JETS!!!
” It would be fascinating to get his take on those times and in the role he played.”
personally, i’m waiting got gb7′s autobiography to get the real scoop, and it’ll be way more entertaining
the only problem is that he’ll probably say he was misquoted.
Inspite of the conventional wisdom, I believe that chances of Matsui returing for 2010 are hidhger than Damon returning.
In all likelyhodd Matshi will agree to a one year 5mil base and incentives based on plate appearances.
Damon will not agree to susch an arrangement. If Damon does not return, you still have Nick/Melky/Brett to man the outfield. They can always bring in a good backup for these guys until Austin is ready.
6 zip soxxies
There will be NO political commentary of any kind on this blog as long as I have anything to say about it and I still do.
This is a baseball blog. Go somewhere else to inflict your political opinions on other people. We do not care.
Thanks.
Randy – re: your 1:06 post… being a Red sox fan is passed down. Until 2004, it wasn’t the best “gift” my father had ever given me.
But, to reiterate on the Green “strike 3,” the Angel catcher did indeed move his glove twice – down to catch it, and up to “Present” it. The umpire said, in effect, that that cost him the call (which, as you know, is not unusual).
This president appears to be a good judge of character; he called Jeter a “classic” and Kanye West a “jack…”
Kanye West versus Jeter. Which one would you want your son to be more like? (Don’t answer, it’s clearly a rhetorical question).
randy l.
September 20th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
” It would be fascinating to get his take on those times and in the role he played.”
personally, i’m waiting got gb7’s autobiography to get the real scoop, and it’ll be way more entertaining
the only problem is that he’ll probably say he was misquoted.
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Misquoted only for the first 300 pages.
Ed H.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
McGeorge, I wonder how many folks today would get that reference (your user name)?
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I got it, and I’m Australian (as long as we’re qualifying our handicaps, lol).
Boston Globe or not.. There should be no Boston worship allowed on this blog either. You’re still in Yankee land. Patriots are cheaters like their baseball counterparts.
The umpires in that Angels/Redsox game are circling the wagons now that the payoff checks have cleared.
That is great news about Robertson and Mitre. Posada next time don’t fight with minor league teams.
what i want to know is why the only damn person from baseball in the council on foreign relations is george mitchell.
i mean even someone like angelna jolie is a member ( betcha didn’t know that).
why not have someone form the player’s side to liven things up?
maybe ozzie guillen
Waiting for my Giants game later, watching Jets vs Pats
Jets fans your kid is disecting the Pats D, Srsly, Sanchez is the goods.
“Joba will be going at least five innings today.”
I hope you’re correct, Petestradamus.
Suddenly, Jets moving down the field and scoring at will.
Hey Pete – NYJ 16, NE 9 –
Take that, you Bostoner!!!
This kid reminds of Brett Farve, w/ the wild gun slinging, so far.
Thank you for the schedule note…then who knows why they are (allegedly) choosing the CA trip to haze as opposed to the Tampa trip.
w/o* the wild gun.
• Dave Robertson really let it go when he played catch before the game and looked good. He’ll get off the mound on Tuesday in Anaheim. He’ll be back quick.
Soooooooooooooo Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge
Missed it by that much!
Stuckey you got to catch, Sanchez put too much juice, it was perfect!
“Dave Robertson really let it go when he played catch before the game and looked good”
there’s almost always someone relatively unlikely who comes up big in the playoffs for a winning team. robertson could be one of those kind of guys. he’s got some surprising numbers that pete has pointed out match well with bard.
my favorite surprise guy had to be bobby richardson when he broke the world series record for hits , though bucky dent wasn’ t bad in that play off game either.
Jets lookin good, however the last 3 minutes will decide this game…….New Orleans just taking it to the Eagles…..
Srsly where are the Jets fans at, this is a damn good game for week 2, Mark Sanchez has come to play.
“Yes, Ed H. Thanks for missing it — again.”
Sorry, Nick. I think I was playing tic tac toe or something.
If it’s not too much to ask — and I don’t think it is — please refrain from posting crude insults and threats you have no intention of carrying out on the blog.
If your life is so pathetic that you’re that distressed I’m changing jobs, I suggest you seek psychiatric help. Also it’s boring to the normal people who come here to chat about baseball.
Thanks.
YES Innerview with Kim Jones and Joba Chamberlain:
http://bit.ly/1JYNnD
Brady doesn’t have Welker, but that doesn’t matter, right now the pass rush is getting to him, the CBs are just covering like white on rice his recievers, and Sanchez has the protection while NE doesn’t have the pass rush or the the MLBs to stop him. Really I keep feeling 3 more possesions for Sanchez and this game is over.
Brandon, I would like to share your optimism…I’ve a Jet fan since the days of Joe Willie……However,it’s the NE Patriots, and the Jets have been known to break my heart over the past 40 + years……It’s going to come down to the last 3 minutes
Pat M, I have never seen the Jets have a QB like this kid, normally I’d agree w/ you, but just look at him.
randy l.
September 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
“Dave Robertson really let it go when he played catch before the game and looked good”
there’s almost always someone relatively unlikely who comes up big in the playoffs for a winning team. robertson could be one of those kind of guys. he’s got some surprising numbers that pete has pointed out match well with bard.
my favorite surprise guy had to be bobby richardson when he broke the world series record for hits , though bucky dent wasn’ t bad in that play off game either.
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It wasn’t Richardson’s hits record that shocked me, but, his three records in the ’60 series for total RBI, RBI in a game, in an inning and hit two triples in one game, especially since he only had 26 RBI and 1 triple in the ’60 season. Actually, Brian Doyle’s bat in the 1978 series was a bigger shock than Dent’s.
Pat M, he hits his check downs, screen rolls, goal line throws on the run are accurate, the scramble throws, tight spirals, long bombs, I’ve never seen you guys land a QB like this kid. I just hope his line continues to protect him this season.
Brandon, I’ve been watching Mark since his days at Mission Viejo HS and of course USC……He’s the real deal
he finally took a blitz, now lets see how he reacts.
Brandon, remember he played in a pro set offense under Pete Carroll @ USC…..
YES pre-game Clubhouse Report with Bob Lorenz and Kim Jones:
http://bit.ly/o5zuG
Larry Izzo thinks he’s still on the Pats?
apparently
gb7-
that’s right . it was the rbi’s that were off the charts for richardson.
my candidate for a possible overachieving yankee during the playoffs is melky, but anyone could emerge. gardner and hairston will get some playing time. robertson and coke on the pitching end. and joba , though he’s too good to be a total surprise, has a chance too to overachieve for this stage in his career.
A-rod is going to be the overachiever, finally breaking out in the postseason like everyone hoped he would.
/idiot
Well since we’re picking October Hero’s…..Robinson Cano….
Patriots are old and slow. Brady looks rattled. O-line stinks. and all their great players on D are gone; Vrabal Harrison Seymour etc… They are far from the “best team in football” as Diet Coke said this week.
Sanchez looks terrific. Still has a lot to prove but still he looks impressive.
“Well since we’re picking October Hero’s…..Robinson Cano….”
He’s my pick too, there’s something about him, IDK why.
Well Brandon, as discussed, this game will be decided in the last 3 minutes…….I’ve hated the Patriots since the days when they played at Fenway…Tom Brady on center stage is reason to be concerned
Lets go Yankees!
A.J. Burnett for me. Power pitchers in October…
pat m-
cano hit some lasers the other night. i was wondering if he was going to tatoo ichiro in the head when he was spinning around out there. but in the playoffs i’m not so sure of him when he perceives pressure.
i think arod’s new swing will come through for him in the playoffs.
teixeira is going to be fun to watch and jeter is hungry for another ring . posada too.
OH!! NO!!! Say it ain’t so. (chuckle….chortle)
“A.J. Burnett for me. Power pitchers in October…”
now that’s a good sleeper guess because he could turn it on in an eye blink.
boy, that’s one i’d like to see.
i get down on burnett, but i’d love to see him turn into a big game pitcher.
hey pete, J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!
Well, Pete, look at the bright side – It’s not Eric Mangini.
Pats fail
Jets! Great win!
Hi everyone!! A few things I would like to share:
#1- As of this moment I am completely caught up on my DVR activities
#2- My football picks to this point are not looking good at all
PATS CHOKE….No TDs…. so much for could have been up 17-3.:)))
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!
randy l.
September 20th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
gb7-
that’s right . it was the rbi’s that were off the charts for richardson.
my candidate for a possible overachieving yankee during the playoffs is melky, but anyone could emerge. gardner and hairston will get some playing time. robertson and coke on the pitching end. and joba , though he’s too good to be a total surprise, has a chance too to overachieve for this stage in his career.
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I’m thinking it’s somebody in the bullpen, beyond Rivera and Hughes that will make the difference, whether it’s Coke, Marte or Robertson.
Do you know why the Jets won???
I took New England
. And they have to spite me
I consider that my gift to Jets fans
So Brady doesn’t meet with Sanchez after the game? And Ryan and Belicheck barely shook hands.
AUTO
MATIC
Jete!
“i think arod’s new swing will come through for him in the playoffs.”
Me too, atleast now he can’t be out infront so much, and can actually wait longer on the breaking ball. Atleaast he can put it in play now, where as w/ the high leg kick, he’d strike out or roll into a GIDP.
THE JETS HAVE BEATEN NEW ENGLAND.
GINTS DON’T FAIL ME TONIGHT!
Dennis-Costanza….You the over -unders man…..My Sunday has been extrodinary already…..I’m on the Yanks & 49ers as icing on the cake……
Erica, could you please post your picks for next week, so I know who NOT to chose…..
Trevor September 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
So Brady doesn’t meet with Sanchez after the game? And Ryan and Belicheck barely shook hands.
That wasnt a surprise… and Sanchez had to go find belichek for a handshake that belichek didnt want to do..
It’s only one game but nothing better then seeing the cheater bill belichek walk off the field with a loss
ahhh getting off to our usual start. Nice DJ
Time to knock around Ian “that lineup is stupid” Snell.
Tom in N.J.
September 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Erica, could you please post your picks for next week, so I know who NOT to chose…..
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LOL. One week I tried doing the opposite of my intuition (George Costanza style). I wound up completely confusing myself over who I would normally choose and what the opposite would be. I think I wound up with a very average week.
The Green Pay Packers don’t look as good when they’re not playing a Lovie Smith team.
PeteAbe: Tom Brady now has more babies than wins the last two years. Just great.
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This is laugh-out-loud funny (and I don’t even really care about football)
Come on Tex!
MPB Johnny Damon = Awesome
Did Ken Singleton really just say “Elston turned the trick”??
Erica – always OPPC September 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Did Ken Singleton really just say “Elston turned the trick”??
Elston is the man
Something tells me around 10 PM or 11 PM I’m going to be wishing the Giants had Brandon Marshall
Carl
September 20th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Erica – always OPPC September 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Did Ken Singleton really just say “Elston turned the trick”??
Elston is the man
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Yes he was. He doesn’t get nearly enough recognition in Yankee history
the Arod booing in Seattle seems a little ridiculous/retarded, does it not?
A-Rod hasn’t hit a homer for a while
“Something tells me around 10 PM or 11 PM I’m going to be wishing the Giants had Brandon Marshall”
No need to worry we have Super Mario.
Ellie Howard was a marvelous ball player. He had as much power as anybody on those teams other than Mantle. Homered over the left field roof in Chicago, over the left field roof in Detroit. Great defensive catcher and tagged Ford with the nickname “Chairman Of The Board”.
“Sanchez had to go find belichek for a handshake that belichek didnt want to do”
haha, we all know belichek’s character long time ago.
Nick in SF, I just wanted to thank you for reminding of that very fact……Lovie Smith, it still stings
A-Rod’s AB is horrible
Dammit A-Rod wth was that
Snell the glove.
What was he looking at?
“No need to worry we have Super Mario.”
I like him, prbly the one kid I have faith in w/ the new WR core, but I won’t overhype him.
Damn Al, what were you looking for?
Let’s go Cowboys!
that was not a strike!
:/
That was just sad
“A-Rod’s AB is horrible”
That was a bad AB, but zip it, your talking about someone hitting over .390 in the last 30 days.
Well, as usual, the idiots are out to yammer about Rodriguez and Teixeira skates after popping up.
Let’s go Joba. Have a much more economical inning than Snell did.
BTW the Patriots sure are terrible now that they have that “no cheating” policy.
“So Brady doesn’t meet with Sanchez after the game? And Ryan and Belicheck barely shook hands”.
Is Brady supposed to meet with the opposing QB? What’s the etiquette?
when the Yankees threaten in the 1st and don’t score the rest of the game has been “less than ideal”
“Let’s go Cowboys!”
I like you better when you’re exposing “matt”.
Anyone else see how Dice-K did today? I guess that is why they do not hand out CY Youngs based on one good start.
Let’s hope that wasn’t Suzuki’s sucker swing and waiting for the same pitch.
i wish arod wouldn’t guess so much on pitches.
he looks so bad when he guess wrong.
Joba is hitting 96…very good sign
they said they figured out some mechanical flaw
I have a few suggestions on where the Cowboys can go…
“They let xxxxxx off the hook.”
They have been doing that all season Pete. The Red Sox are much, much better at executing that knockout blow.
The Jets now have beaten the Pats two straight!
They have been doing that all season Pete. The Red Sox are much, much better at executing that knockout blow.
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as evidenced by their many more wins, wait wha-?
Enough with the Patriots talk here. This is not the place for that trash. Brady sucks.
Weird seeing Melky in right
1. randy – I know what you mean, I’ve felt that way for years now. But, I guess it’s hard to argue with him given his success.
2. I see where the Red Sox are rolling over the O’s (how shocking). How did DiceK do?
3. Joba seems OK after two batters – not much, but something to hold onto.
For those curious-
Through the early games, I am 2-6 in my football picks
(The ones I got right are Atlanta & St Louis)
Jobber
And that is why A-Rod Tex and Matsui needed to drive in a damn run.
Mariners hitting balls hard off Joba.
gameday is all locked up..boo
“Despite the utter failure of the once-mighty Patriots.” – Pete
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Well, that’s what happens when you have no running game, and you give up 35% of your defense. They were lucky to have won last week.
Looks like Joba is back to his old ways again.. oye vay!
it was looking like a scoreless in after the 1st 2 outs
THEN SUDDENLY HIS HITCH RETURNED!
oh yay
joba’s back to normal
2 outs again Joba?
SOOO frustrating how the Yankees don’t score when they get the first two men on and the M’s score with 2 outs/nobody on. I feel like I’ve seen this game before.
Joba protesting the game taken off Jorge’s suspension?
The Mariners seem to pick the ball up well.
I didn’t get why so many had faith in Joba after a few decent innings…….whatever his issues are, I agree with SJ – they aren’t going to be fixed this year.
Boy, that mechanical adjustment really did wonders.
What happened to him working quickly?
way to buckle down, kid
Gaudin is now the No. 5 starter. Mitre banished to the pen. Joba working hard to also get to the pen. He has no idea what the word economical means.
Joba looks lost on the mound. No confidence. He doesn’t trust his own stuff…
So frustrating to watch
>What happened to him working quickly?
He felt like doing an impromptu Ian Snell impression.
Minus the stranding the baserunners part, of course.
Game’s not over, folks.
Can the announcers please stop making excuses for Joba. Joba Rules this and that. The kid either has no life on the ball or like today terrible location. Just when you think he will build on his last 2 starts he looks terrible again.
>He has no idea what the word economical means.
He has an accountant for that!
With RISP and 2 outs, Lowell, Bay, Drew, + Youkilis = 0.351
With RISP and 2 outs, Jeter, A-Rod, Tex, + Matsui = 0.277
No one said its over…
Matsuzaka didn’t pitch that well – 5.1 innings, 8 hits and 3 runs. However, he only walked 1 and struck out 5…….not bad, I suppose. He looks like he will help the Sox in the playoffs
I think the Yanks know if they have to count on Joba in the post season they are in trouble.
Yeah IMO Joba can’t play so much rock star this winter. For all his current issues Roger Clemens busted his hump every winter. Chamberlain could use a little bit of that.
CY Snell lol
I have a feeling that this is as good as Joba is ever going to be. I also have a feeling that the Cowboys are going to walk all over the Giants.
Joba needs to be traded to Canada,and get slapped back to reality,by the heathen fans.
He was rushed to the majors too fast,let them have him.
The YES feed online has game sounds but no broadcasters. Kinda cool.
Oh yay, a quick inning for Snell.
creedence
September 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
With RISP and 2 outs, Lowell, Bay, Drew, + Youkilis = 0.351
With RISP and 2 outs, Jeter, A-Rod, Tex, + Matsui = 0.277
NY Yankees — 95-54
Boston Red Sox — 88-59
Middle of NY’s lineup must be doing something right.
ive been saying this for a while: if gaudin continues to pitch as well as he has, dont be surprised to see him start a playoff game. hes been doing great, and in the playoffs all you need is 5 or 6 innings from your starter. This is why they have Aceves (and Joba) in the pen
“With RISP and 2 outs, Lowell, Bay, Drew, + Youkilis = 0.351
With RISP and 2 outs, Jeter, A-Rod, Tex, + Matsui = 0.277″
and yet the yankees had a 6 game lead coming into today….thats got to be scary if your a sox fan
The world is collapsing!!!!!
The Yankees could be behind the Sox if they lose today (well, actually, they can’t)!!!!!
The Sox never lose (except for the 58 times they have this year including 5 in September)!!!!!
The Yankees won’t score any runs today, I can feel it in my bones!!!!
Girarid can’t manage, no one hits with RISP, they are asleep, disaster is on the horizon!!!!!
These comments are tough to read. “Why can’t the Yankees knock runners in?” They scored ten runs yesterday. Here’s a newsflash: the more runners you get on, the more runners you’re going to strand, due to the nature of hitting. The Yankees get a lot of runners on base.
Hey creedence- how do their slugging percentages compare? What about OBP?
OK…yes Joba is not his best…but it’s his first season as a starter…can any of you pitch better? Give the kid a break.
“The YES feed online has game sounds but no broadcasters. Kinda cool.”
that must be some kind of new premium broadcast
Yankees can’t play this careless in the playoffs.They need good at bats and to bring people home on the bases.
Joba is a joke,and gift to whomever he’s pitching to.
Joba really isn’t fooling hitters anymore. Even Edwar Ramirez gets more swings and misses.
joba needs to get his off speed pitches down in the zone…too many high sliders
who
is
mike
carp?
Joba needs Jesus
Joba is looking better velocity wise but is getting hammered
Gaudin has as good a shot of starting a playoff game as I do…….
Come on Jobber
Jete, go talk to him please.
Joba needs to learn how to pitch. He is very Bruney like. Just throwing the ball and not locating. For bad hitters they aren’t missing his fastball.
Can Kennedy warm up today? this is looking like a short day for Joba. Be back later.
the current Joba rule experiment is a total disaster.
what can they do about Joba in postseason?
Let him be SP? He could be 3 innings or less and out. From bp? he could blow off a lead quickly.
Basically he will be useless in postseason
Joba is ridiculous today…allowing the Seattle team to slap him around. Joba are you really gonna put our season in jeopardy by losing to this team which is already out of the race?
Joba needs to learn how to pitch. He is very Bruney like. Just throwing the ball and not locating. For bad hitters they aren’t missing his fastball.
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they also aren’t missing any of his other pitches regardless of location, this is something more than just Joba not locating or whatever you are thinking. Seattle is locked in.
zomg, you never put the go-ahead-by-5th-run on base in the 2nd inning on the road.
Maybe this is just a team he won’t pitch well to. They seem to hit him well. There’s always going to be a team that own you if you’re a pitcher. In this case it looks like it’s the Mariners.
Hitting w/RISP and 2 outs can be a pointless stat. Guys like Arod and Tex are already in RISP when they come up to the plate. When Tex got that go-ahead HR with 2 outs against Bard no one was in scoring position but he still drove in a run.
I’m a big Joba fan but he looks lost out there. It’s very unlikely he’s going to help the Yankees in the post-season. Young pitchers go through this and hopefully next year will be a better one for him.
why does this team give joba such a hard time…they have 3 good hitters and a bunch of scrubs, yet joba gives up hits to guys batting .220 like they were ichiro…this is incredibly disappointing…joba showed decent progess last start but this game it has taken 2 steps back..
Honestly I would get the bullpen up. This is about the team and winning games not watching Joba implode. Every pitch is batting practice up in the zone.
“There’s a strike!”
Kenny sounding surprised as hell.
Even if the Yankees come back to win this game (which I think they will as long as Joba does not let it get out of hand) already as a Yankee fan you can not walk away happy from this game because Joba looks awful. If Joba went out today and had a good outing and the Yankees lost, I would take that any day of the week at this point heading into the playoffs.
And Ant, people are not frustrated with Joba because “he is not as his best.” Everyone is frustrated because Joba took a HUGE step backwards this year. Young pitchers are supposed to take bumps along the way, but make progress.
if joba turns into jamie moyer in this bases loaded at bat, i’m going to be ticked off.
Oh, NOW they walk Ichiro. Gah!
FAIL
This kid is hot buttered fail.
Total fail. I would rather have seen Ichiro slap a single than this mess.
Hitter’s umpire= not good for Joba
It’s ok, Joba’s going 5 today…?
Can’t IBB with a young pitcher who’s struggling on the mound.
walking in a run is not a good plan.
is anyone up in the bullpen?
looks like a good day to focus on work and not this game
Posada is just horrible at framing pitches. That 2-2 pitch Posada had to reach for the pitch and it pushed his glove out of the strike zone. I wish Molina would teach him how to do what he doe – start the glove out of the strike zone and bring it in.
Ah, man, this is baaaaaddd…
this kid is lame
At some point management will reluctantly reach the inevitable conclusion that Joba simply doesn’t have it, at least at the present time, to be a starter…..whether he does in the future is another story. If he starts next year it will probably be at Scranton…..more probably, he will switch places with Hughes.
This performance is absolutely disgraceful.
Pregame announcement of Joba going five innings clearly premature.
They should of just pitched to Ichiro. What is the difference Joba is going to put this game out of reach anyway.
terrible…i havent been this mad at joba all year…he needs to get out of this now before this game gets even more out of hand…4-0
91 Mph Fastball with no movement and Control.
pathetic, they better not blow a 9 game lead.
So what’s the excuse for this start?
>It’s ok, Joba’s going 5 today…?
5 runs.
Girardi said it under his breath.
Joba doesn’t deserve a spot on this team, let alone the post season.
He looks completely lost when it comes to pitching. He’s a thrower right now. Likely not thinking of how to set up hitters at all.
Is Kennedy available?
Edwar Ramirez warming up with a quickness…
Joba is pitching himself out of the postseason rotation right now. I’ve been more patient with him than most, but it’s getting close to the end of the season and he’s still too inconsistent. Not giving up on him long-term as a starter, but every game in October is must-win, not “let’s be patient with a youngster’s development”.
Game over
B U M
Wow.
4 game lead
Anyone else as tired of Joba at this point as I am? Seriously, I’d rather have Gaudin pitch in the playoffs at this point. The kid just isn’t good at this point, and needs to find SOME way to get in work on a level that’s NOT the majors, because this isn’t gonna cut it.
YOU CAN’T LEAN ON THE YANKEES OFFENSE YOU DUMMY!
Thanks Joba. Every five days we go through this. Its so painful.
It’s over. Edwar coming in. Save the pen for LA.
Go Giants!!!
Great now 90 year old Griffey with the batting practice homerun.
Joba needs to see a sports psychiatrist. He is lost out there.
pathetic. just pathetic. that game friday really hurts now
7-0 nice. now 5.5 games up on the soxs. the division isnt over
Unfreaking real. I’m sorry but this kid is a mess right now.
Wow – Joba is a head case.
joba isnt gonna be able to sugarcoat this game…he was down right terrible…absolutely terrible…and i NEVER say this kind of stuff
What a joke. Now we get to waste our bullpen before a huge series in LA.
JobaStinks September 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
4 game lead
5 you idiot can you count?
wow…what a hot mess
JOba starting a game = Yanks loss
what a joke, at least he’s been consistent
alright. game over. im actually rooting for seattle to pile it on- maybe itll be the wakeup call that this team needs.
lets see kennedy
Someone tell me why the Yankees are wasting, er taking, their time with Joba? This clown can not get off of this team quick enough for me. It is so difficult to root for this guy.
Wow, he just completely took his team out of the game.
See a’y tomorrow….
Get this bum out of the game… Send him tol the AFL, and then to Canada in the winter, so he cam work his butt off!
fpos
Nice going Joba, you Mutt.
Thank goodness we have CC.
Well now, since Girardi turned this into a spring training game, he better make Joba pitch 5, because if he doesn’t then what is his excuse for not taking him out earlier?
I thought the yankees wanted to win home field and the division. i guess they dont care anymore if they are gonna continue to start joba under these rules
The division is definitely over. It’s okay to criticize the team without being paranoid about the Red Sox.
Definitely not a promising start. Guess the Yankee offense is going to have to win this one.
I hope the Yankees don’t think that the season is over…cause one bad week in Anaheim…they take the wild card
ruined him.
Cashman should have traded Joba in a deal for Halliday. Other than CC who do u trust in there?
Joba is a joke. I know the Yankee organization doesn’t want to admit it but he should start next season in AAA. He needs to learn how to pitch and he never learned how. At this point he is 1 lost 23 year old.
This guy Joba is making me sick.Seattle is having a feast day.
Joe will keep him in long enough to bury the Yankees.
He(Joe) doesn’t want to use the bull pen up going into the
Angels.
2 innings already 7 hommers SICK!!
I think we all agree that it would be a mistake to pitch Joba in any game during the postseason.
The best thing to do now is to leave him off the postseason roster.
Game over
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Yep well at least I can get other stuff done today – Better get it done against Anaheim boys. Yankees are going to rue the day losing games against Toronto and Baltimore…they are losing against teams they should be beating and now are having a rough time of it on the west coast.
Boston gets another cupcake opponent in KC next. Yankees need to take 2 out of 3 at least in Anaheim.
Looks like Kennedy might see some action today.
I love how some of you guys are so kneejerk. Where’s the people who said they trusted Joba more than AJ?
I need more beer
kyuzo September 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
ruined him.
They haven’t ruined a damn thing. The kid is fat and lazy.
Joba cannot start a playoff game for this team. Period. Might as well leave him off the rpster as Pete suggests.
Im not one of these bridge jumper types but it’s disappointing when Joba gets beat around by the dead Mariners and the ghost of Ken Griffey Junior.
“5 you idiot can you count?”
4 Games in Lost Column u Pea Brain
Wow.
At least the Jets won.
What happened to Joba?
He TOTALLY sucks.
Can we get Pavano back next season?
“Seattle is locked in.”
That has nothing to do with it. Seattle’s lineup is terrible. Just look at Joba’s location. Everything is up and right over the plate. His fastball also has no movement like usual.
Yes, Posada (i) cannot frame pitches, (ii) does not have the quickness to move to his left or right and prevent the wild pitch or passed ball, (iii) does not block the pitch with his body and/or the glove, but choses to continuually, and with futility, backhand the ball, (iv) throws inconsistently, and (v) frustrates more than one starter, as he always has. But….he is Jorge, an excellent hitter as catchers go, and a very good hitter for a position player.
We’re not wasting our pen on this one. They’ll run up Joba’s pitch count, then trot out Mitre, Edwar ,and maybe Kennedy to soak up some innings.
In reality, we should have taken 2/3, but it was a rare BS for Mo. What can you do. We have to play hard for the next six games.
RS – I’m not a ledge jumper like a lot of others here, but don’t be foolish. To say the division is “definitely over” is blind optimism.
The loss column lead will most likely be 4 after today and with 3 games head-to-head there is at least a chance for Boston.
Damn it Joba….Believe it or not, but the Yanks need Joba to be part of the 11 October wins……
The division isn’t over, by any means, but nevermind that…….the season is going to be defined by what happens in the playoffs and right now, the Yankees have some issues……
Joba and Bruney can go fishing during the ALDS – I don’t want to see them pitching at all there.
I don’t know what the Yankees will do the rest of the game but you can’t lose 2 of 3 to the Mariners.
Back to Friday; why wasn’t Molina pinch hit for again?…. that was the game to win.
I hope this Joba Experiment ends this year…..he sucks as a starter….Mo couldnt start either and became the premier closer in MLB…. put Joba back in the pen and go get another starter next year….
“UPDATE, 4:57 p.m.: If the Yankees just left Joba off the playoff roster for the first round and sent him to Tampa to try and get himself fixed, could you blame them?
They should make it clear to him during the winter that he does not have the team made in 2010. This is disgraceful, giving up six runs in two innings to a poor offensive team.”
Could you not act like a bandwagon fan like a majority of Yankee fans? hes not piching well because he thinks he has the team made, yeah what a spoiled kid, hes been given everything in life right? he should be an ace at 23 like Buchholz was
I do not like to overreact during a game b/c you usually ending up eating crow when you do, but unless Joba shows some big time improvement in his final 2 starts I would leave him off the postseason roster. He can not be trusted to start and honestly I think I might trust him even less coming out of the bullpen. He does not throw strikes and constantly gives up huge innings. That is not a recipe for success in the postseason.
Also, it would be a huge wake up call for Joba and I would love for them to show the kid that he has not earned anything yet in his career.
Wow, this blog just invites the idiots doesn’t it?
Oh Knows the Yankees only have a 5.5 game lead with 12 to play1!1!!11!!
Carl September 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
They haven’t ruined a damn thing. The kid is fat and lazy.
Your the One who is fat and lazy
At least the Yankees fifth-starter-by-committee manages to keep the team in the game when they’re on the mound.
The organization is too proud to leave him off the post season roster, but that’s exactly what they should do. Save that roster spot for somebody more reliable.
IF they get past the ALDS, I sure don’t want to see Joba in any meaningful situation….Who can we trust in the pen (forget the SP for a moment)? Mo, Phil and maybe Robertson? It’s hard to get through 11 games in the playoffs with so few reliable arms….esp. when our SP outside of CC is not so hot.
UPDATE, 4:57 p.m.: If the Yankees just left Joba off the playoff roster for the first round and sent him to Tampa to try and get himself fixed, could you blame them?
They should make it clear to him during the winter that he does not have the team made in 2010. This is disgraceful, giving up six runs in two innings to a poor offensive team.”
Not One Bit could i blame the yankees… Girardi needs to sit him down and let it be known that he is not only competing to be the #4 in the playoffs… but competing for a playoff roster spot… Something is not getting across to him… maybe a real threat of not having an open spot for him on the P.S Roster wakes him up…
CC will do it in October on three days rest.
If they need a 4th starter in the play offs you go with Gaudin and hope for the best. At this point they would be asking Joba to do something he obviously isn’t ready or prepared yet to do.
That has nothing to do with it. Seattle’s lineup is terrible. Just look at Joba’s location. Everything is up and right over the plate. His fastball also has no movement like usual.
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2 of the balls that went for hits were terrible balls off the plate. One was in the dirt, Carp served into the OF, and Beltre topped a slider that was up and away.
Just because they are getting hits does not mean the location is ‘right down the middle’. Seattle looks completely unfooled.
Can anyone tell me what is so good about this guy? Why do the Yankees continue to save the arm of someone that is obviously a flash in the pan. What is so valuable about this arm? If they want someone to give up 7 runs in two innings, why can’t they go to Single A? I mean anybody can do that!
just because Joba sucked today doesn’t mean the Yankees will blow their lead, that is just ridiculous. It just means Joba sucked and couldn’t locate his pitches. I don’t know how he turns it around this year, he just needs to work hard over the winter and start fresh next year. As for the playoffs, it should either be Gaudin or Aceves in game 4 of an ALCS and World Series.
Mo blew Friday’s game, regardless of Molina not being pinch hit for (he should have been). Bad timing for Mo and for the team………what can you do?
I trust Gaudin much more than I trust Joba at this point. Gaudin was like the old Joba, who would only go 5 innings but at least not give up more than a couple runs.
Earlier we were talking about unlikely October hearos of the past……Well maybe the Yanks need to find a Jim Beattie next month
JlinGSO, could you end the experiment and quit posting on the blog today?
Cause you suck as a poster.
Zach,
It could be that Joba pitches “better” when he has a fire lit under his butt. Making him pitch for a place on the team is not a bad thing. If his name weren’t Joba Chamberlain, the Yankees wouldn’t be bending over backwards to make this work.
Boston 89-59
4 games with KC
3 games NYY
3 games Toronto
4 games Cleveland
They could finish fairly easily with 101 wins by sweeping the under .500 teams and taking one from us.
Joba will not get a start in the playoffs, nor should he. I wouldn’t even trust him in the pen.
Brad Twersky,
He has 4 plus pitches.
still he might stay in postseason roster, just in case they need someone drill a Sox player, hard.
Joba today in his postgame interview:
“I think i’ve been throwing the ball well. I just didn’t get the results I’m looking for today. I’m not really concerned.”
just wait… you’ll see.
Bad at bat by Arod. Let him throw you a strike.
Betsy no one has lock down pitching on paper going into the playoffs. Out of all the playoff teams the Yankees have the least problems.
Would you rather have the Angels pitching? Tigers? Twins? Red Sox? (outside of Lester/Beckett they have ? too.)
Sterling just got embarrassed by Kim
My bet is Joba will not be on the roster for the ALCS, if we get that far; perhaps sooner.
“If his name weren’t Joba Chamberlain, the Yankees wouldn’t be bending over backwards to make this work.”
Here we go.
Way to go suck-rod. How to help your team when they need you most. Rounding into form for the playoffs. Should have sat him today, he doesn’t do crap when he plays in his ex-home stadiums where he gets booed relentlessly.
How do his fastballs drop from 95 – 99 the last year and half and this year they are at 90 to 92 consistently? Is he hurt? He basically throws no harder than Gaudin or Mitre right now. And Joba can’t keep saying he is throwing well and there are no problems. He was great right out of the All Star break but this has been a good two months of really crappy pitching for him.
“Yes, Posada (i) cannot frame pitches, (ii) does not have the quickness to move to his left or right and prevent the wild pitch or passed ball, (iii) does not block the pitch with his body and/or the glove, but choses to continuually, and with futility, backhand the ball, (iv) throws inconsistently, and (v) frustrates more than one starter, as he always has. But….he is Jorge, an excellent hitter as catchers go, and a very good hitter for a position player.”
there’s so much wrong with the above, i wouldn’t even know where to begin.
I would go with Gaudin in game 4 of the ALCS and then to Aceves at any sign of trouble
Today, Joba is truly a “disgrace.”
“Oh Knows the Yankees only have a 5.5 game lead with 12 to play1!1!!11!!”
That’s right, they do. And when (“if”, for those eternal optimists out there) they lose today, it’ll be 5.
Next, we have 3 games against the Angels. Care to tell me how we usually fare in Ahaheim?
Boston plays Kansas City, a legitimately terrible team.
Then we have a 3 game set against Boston, who, as of today, has won 10 of 11 games.
You do the math. We go out and suck against Anaheim, while one of the hottest teams in baseball smokes one of the worst, and then comes in to town to play us. There IS such a thing as momentum, and it can do big things in this game.
If you think the division race is anywhere near over, you’re a fool. I’m not saying we aren’t going to hold on, but it would be absolutely moronic to assume it at this point.
Ryan
September 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Joba today in his postgame interview:
“I think i’ve been throwing the ball well. I just didn’t get the results I’m looking for today. I’m not really concerned.”
just wait… you’ll see.
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You nailed it on the head.
“Griffey is a Hall of Fame player. I went out there and challenged him; you’ve got to tip your cap to him.”
I wouldn’t worry too much for now. At least they play fairly well when our pitchers pitch normally.
It’s probably too late, but I’d like to go with Ace in the post-season, at least in the ALDS if we get that far.
There’s no point in keeping him in the role he is now. If the starter is pitching well, the starter will be going long enough to send the game to Phil and Mo. If he’s not, then the game is probably out of reach and Aceves holding the fort is pointless.
I’d start Ace……..
Ryan, good one!
LOL
Well, Joba Ks Hall….but for anyone who has watched Brewers’ games this year, you would know that this is par for the course.
Forget about a 4th starter. I’m for a 3 man rotation.
“They could finish fairly easily with 101 wins by sweeping the under .500 teams and taking one from us.”
Wait, wait, wait…. so the Sox are gunna go 12-2 and the Yanks less than 6-6? I’ll take your bet on that…
“The loss column lead will most likely be 4 after today and with 3 games head-to-head there is at least a chance for Boston.”
Of course Boston has a chance because it’s not mathematically over. But seriously, blowing a 5 game lead with 12 to play is incredibly hard to do. Even the Mets would find that difficult.
Literally just got in from CA. Hello? Joba? Whoa.
Gotta go catch up. I see the Yankees won yesterday. Did they win Friday night. We were really disconnected this entire weekend.
Well, Yankees can score 8 runs, right?
Literally just got in from CA. Hello? Joba? Whoa.
Gotta go catch up. I see the Yankees won yesterday. Did they win Friday night. We were really disconnected this entire weekend.
Well, Yankees can score 8 runs, right?
Literally just got in from CA. Hello? Joba? Whoa.
Gotta go catch up. I see the Yankees won yesterday. Did they win Friday night. We were really disconnected this entire weekend.
Well, Yankees can score 8 runs, right?
Terrific outing for Joba.
“If his name weren’t Joba Chamberlain, the Yankees wouldn’t be bending over backwards to make this work”
More about the potential than the name. They haven’t managed him well this year (see Leyland, Jim when it comes to managing pitchers on a limit), but the potential is real.
Betsy, I’d have Ace in the rotation as well but I’ve thought that for most of the year. We’ll see if they make that move this week, he would have time to 2 starts before the ALDS to build up to 5 or 6 innings.
Doreen,
Is this your first time posting? Did you read the news about Pete?
Rex, they havent managed him well since 2007.
Attention those of you who are idiots:
Just because a baseball player doesn’t pitch well does not mean you can curse on this blog. If you can’t act like a normal person, please go away.
Meanwhile, those of you are are not idiots, please don’t respond to trolls. Unfortunately in the last few days, a few desperately lonely people have decided to draw attention to themselves here. Ignore them and they will go away as usual.
Thanks
More interesting, will be Girardi’s take on Joba…by permitting him to continue on he is giving him the chance to “turn it around” or “hoist himself by his own petard”!! Will Joe call it as it really is, or sugarcoat it?
Red Sox throw Wakefield, Byrd, Beckett and Buchholz against KC.
They draw Greinke in game 2 against Byrd.
I think Sox split the series – the Royals will figure out a way to win game 1. Greinke’s game should be win as well.
Regardless, we’ll end up going into Friday night’s game up 3.
“Even the Mets would find that difficult.”
Nuh-uh!
it’s almost like the Mariners know what pitches are coming before he throws them, I wonder if he is tipping them. They just haven’t had a bad swing on the fast ball yet today and he’s throwing 93-94.
Trevor, that’s true…though I think the Sox have the definite edge on us (even if the other teams don’t). Beckett and Lester are a tough duo and although I think Bucholz is getting overrated based on beating the Os and the Jays for what seems like a million times, at least he’s giving them quality innings. Still, he certainly is no lock. They do have some other arms – Matsuzaka, Wake – that the Yankees just don’t have. I’m not saying they are GREAT, but they are very capable of getting the job done (I’m not saying they are locks to do that either, I’m just saying they are more than competent).
Ace should start stretching out right now………..
Joba has become the little boy who likes hanging out with older brothers. He’s goofy on the bench and he doesn’t take his starts like it’s life and death. He needs to be put in his place. I really believe he’s compensating for a poor childhood and that is secondary to being a pitcher. His and Joe’s protests notwithstanding.
It’ll be disappointing if we lose the division and/or HFA. But as long as we’re in, it’s good. As of right now, the magic # for the playoffs is 1.
Joba will definitely be on the post season roster. Even though he is useless. The organization is not ready to admit that he can’t get the job done. Next season he better not have anything handed to him.
Joba stinks! We should have sent him to Scranton 2 months ago. I think he bought into Jobamania too fast!
No Donnie, you’re a fool. As well as the Sox have been playing they’ve gained about 1 game in the standings thus far.
You’re a fool if you think the Sox are going to catch the Yanks.
RS – of course blowing a 5 game lead with 12 to play is incredibly hard to do, but it HAS happened several times. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but to say the division is “definitely over” (as you did) is just wrong.
Pete, were you Big Pete last night ????
joba slider. or joba 93 mph fastball. the only thing more upsetting then his game performance is listening to his twisted BS in the postgame charade.
he is either a total moron or way overhyped… the guy throws about 40% sliders and if guys do not swing at pitches out of the strike zone he is nothing………….
MG, my only concern is that Ace had shoulder issues after his stint in MN……….if I knew he was going to be ok, I’d yank Joba from the rotation now and start stretching Ace out. Even though we don’t know if he’s going to be ok, I think I’d still do it. At this point, the Yankees have no choice.
The Sox have an advantage over the Yanks? Okay Betsy, whatever you say.
Just pray the Twins overtake the Tigers so the Yankees can choose the 3-man rotation and not have to face Verlander twice (not that he scares me much anyway).
I just wanna grab Jobber and give him a hug and then I wanna shake him and scream “what are you doing??”
Im really getting tired of Joba Chamberlain. All the “Joba Rules” to have such an inconsistent pitcher. I know he is young but he doesn’t seem to be improving a bit. He has actually regressed a lot, not only for this start, but most since his three game winning streak coming off the all star break.
I hope he can get his head straight as he matures, but he seems to be another A.J. Burnett and this script is getting tiring. Its not about Joba, its about the Yankees and most of the time he is sent out there he takes them out of the games.
A Mitre sighting…lol
Chen Ming Chamberlain is at it again
“Rex, they havent managed him well since 2007.”
I’m not sure I’d go so far as that, but I think they could have done better the past two seasons.
Rex Ryan has done wonders with the Jets defense, and my co-alum, from USC, Mark S., much to the chagrine of his ex-coach,the formerly great Mr Carroll, performed quite well when he had to; Sanchez will be a good one.
Wil Rogers never met Raymagnetic
i can’t believe we need to go into anaheim like this.
Darrin how many times in the history of baseball has a team lost a 5 game lead with twelve to play? 3?
I can’t believe this: when Joba’s good, he’s great and when he’s not…
But the Yanks lead is pretty comfortable…I wouldnt’ lose hope quite yet.
I love how people just make it sound so easy for the Red Sox to have a 13-2 or 14-1 stretch. If it is so easy why are the Yankees 6 games ahead of the them in the standings.
They have freaking Paul Byrd and Tim Wakefield in their rotation.
They are lined up to face Greinke, Halladay, and CC (3/4 best pitchers in the league)
Not to mention the Yankees have clearly shown they are a better team. They are not going to walk into Yankee Stadium next week and sweep the Yankees.
M, if the Yankees blew this division lead, I think it would be hard to find anything positive to say about them even though they would have made the playoffs. That would have been an enormous collapse, though give credit to the Sox – the Yankees haven’t been THAT bad recently and they have won nearly every game. It’s ironic that we thought we’d have a chance to relax and rest players, but we don’t……the Yankees need to keep winning most every day at this point.
This is not the best way to go into Anaheim, especially with the Angels on the rebound.
nice play!
Ray, hey – go ahead with your pollyanna attitude. Instead of a stupid, snarky response, why don’t you give me a good reason why the Yankees pitching staff has an advantage over the Sox? I don’t expect to get that from you, so oh well.
Snell has fallen behind just about every hitter and has found a way to get them out just about ever time.
Doesn’t matter. Yankees will be in the playoffs.
As of right now they have a 13.5 game lead on the wild card-with 12 games to play…
http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/group/5
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Even though Beckett is a great post season pitcher no one knows what he’s going to do THIS post season.
And it’s too early in Lester’s career to pencil him as a great playoff performer imo.
The whole thing is a crap shoot. What you did the the reg season goes out the window. October baseball is a new season.
“of course blowing a 5 game lead with 12 to play is incredibly hard to do, but it HAS happened several times.”
It’s never happened to the Yankees, and it probably hasn’t happened to teams that are on pace for 100+ wins.
Look at it this way. The Red Sox have been playing incredible baseball since getting swept by the Yankees on August 9. In a month and a half they have played their best baseball and only picked up 1.5 games. And now in less than 2 weeks they’re going to pick up 5 games?
“he is either a total moron or way overhyped”
Some reason why he can’t be both?
Truthfully, I’d buy the first before that latter. He has tremendous potential. He’s still young, not closed to as polished as he likely will be in a couple years, and a little ornery. Probably a bit much to expect him to be too great too soon.
“No Donnie, you’re a fool. As well as the Sox have been playing they’ve gained about 1 game in the standings thus far.
You’re a fool if you think the Sox are going to catch the Yanks.”
Go back and re-read what I said. Not once did I say that I thought they’d cough it up. I said it was foolish to assume it was a lock. You look at history. Look at how bad we’ve played in Anaheim.
It’s not impossible that we’ll choke it up. Not impossible at all. You can say that you don’t think it’s going to happen, that’s fine. But the people acting like it’s a definite thing, and that we’ve already clinched, are not acknowledging everything. That’s all I’m saying.
Is Joba spending too much time hanging with the big boys rather than working on his game? Just wondering…
I’m with Pete on making him earn his spot next year. He’s done nothing this year to be rewarded with a starter spot on next year’s roster.
Betsy,
The name of the game is to make the playoffs. There’s no extra points for style, or lack of in the event of a collapse.
You don’t think the Yankees would’ve liked to make the postseason with a “mini-collapse”? They would’ve sold their souls to the devil to make it anyway possible.
I agree it’ll totally suck, but why do have to say anything positive or not? As long as they make it in. Which they will with one more one or Texas loss.
Hey M…having 4 plus pitches on paper and being able to throw them are two ENTIRELY different things…It’s like the Yanks have the best team on paper (payroll) but they haven’t won anything yet.
“of course blowing a 5 game lead with 12 to play is incredibly hard to do, but it HAS happened several times.”
http://www.associatedcontent.c.....story.html
Forget the team loyalty, the clubs of optimists, the sunny outlooks on life. Will someone in Yankee management snap back from Fantasyland, admit they were wrong and move Joba to the Pen? He may have starter stuff but he does not have a starter mentality. That trumps talent every time and makes all the difference in the world.
The Yankees have already won 95 games and they have 12 to play after today.
It’s really hilarious how many of you have no faith despite the Yankees WINNING 95 GAMES ALREADY.
Does anyone Snell a comeback????
Hmmm, probably not.
Oh well, it says here that we are still going to be the AL East Champion and our September record will be enough to get that done. The particulars won’t matter much after October 4 as long as we’re healthy.
Enjoy the rest of the game, ladies and gentlemen.
CC-Beckett (Advantage CC)
Burnett-Lester (Advantage Lester)
Pettitte-Bucholz (Advantage Pettitte)
Who Knows vs. Who Knows (Who knows?)
Hughes-Wagner/Bard (Advantage Hughes)
Mo-Papelbon (Advantage Mo)
Yankees Lineup-Red Sox Lineup (Clearly Yankees)
Yankees Defense-Red Sox Defense (Clearly Yankees)
So they Yankees top 3 is better, their bullpen is better, their offense is better, and their defense is better and they will have HFA.
Clearly the Red Sox have an advantage. Oh and
This is meant for last season:
You don’t think the Yankees would’ve liked to make the postseason with a “mini-collapse”? They would’ve sold their souls to the devil to make it anyway possible.
“Doesn’t matter. Yankees will be in the playoffs.”
Oh, it very much DOES matter. If we don’t win the division, we end up playing the Angels in the first round.
That has not boded well for us, post OR regular season.
Joe D,
Just saw your post. I think you may be on to something. He seemed to come into this game like he’d figured it all out and the magic would just emerge from his throwing arm.
Hate to think this, but Joba may be flat out lazy and failing to prepare physically and mentally for his games.
What are the odds on Joba making his scheduled rotation start against the Sawx?
IPK – he should be the 4th starter. There is no way Joba should be the starter. He’s completely unreliable and there is no starter on the Yankees roster who could do worse than Joba. Instead of showing that he’s capable and compitent, he’s shown that he’s just the opposite and that he can’t be trusted.
Why not start Kennedy, if necessary? He’s been throwing well since coming back and he deserves a shot.
Girardi and company can not, in good conscience, send out Joba in the playoffs as a starter.
might as well take the starters out of the game
Is it time yet for us yankee fans to admit what we are seeing. Joba is not a good…He is just not good. I want him back in the bullpen because I don’t want to watch him start games..Pete is right, how can this guy get a start in the postseason? How??? I guess Gaudin would be a game four starter
“Yankees Defense-Red Sox Defense (Clearly Yankees)”
Like being tall man in a midget festival.
……the Yankees need to keep winning most every day at this point.
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Actually the Yankees have to win every other day and thats only if the Red Sox play .900 baseball to end the season.
m -
What news about Pete?
Yes, my first time looking at this blog since Wednesday night.
So far I know about Ian Kennedy and I know Mo apparently blew a save. That’s it.
Is it good news?
Could have been 17-3? Haha. Maybe patriot fans are used to getting more than 3 points handed to them like the refs gave them in that first half… The better team won today. Wasn’t even close. Bradys days of being an elite qb are over.
Offense needs to chip away if they’re going to win this game.
Trevor, I agree with the point about October being a different story, but you still want to go into the playoffs in good shape.
I don’t think the Yankees will blow the lead, but not because it’s never happened to them. What has happened in the past as absolutely no bearing on what will happen now.
Doreen,
It’s terrible news…
“Even though Beckett is a great post season pitcher no one knows what he’s going to do THIS post season.” I hate the red sox, but who on the yankee starting staff right now has had a postseason career like beckett…Who? You have to be fair about that one..
“What are the odds on Joba making his scheduled rotation start against the Sawx?”
100%
“I love how people just make it sound so easy for the Red Sox to have a 13-2 or 14-1 stretch.”
I don’t get it either. Not only do the Red Sox have to play out of their minds, but the Yankees have to play awful (WORSE than how they’ve played lately).
The other thing is, Francona isn’t going to play his aging vets every single day in the hopes of pulling off a miracle. The Red Sox are perfectly content with resting certain guys to get themselves ready for the playoffs. They have won 2 championships as a WC team facing the Angels in the first round. It’s not like the Phillies of ’07 or this year’s Twins team that is playing at max effort because it’s division or bust.
From bad to worse…
Joba belongs in the bullpen as the setup man for Mo.
Even in the championship years the yanks routinely stunk out the joint in Sept. They’ll be fine… Joba needs a good smack in the face though
Pete is leaving to cover the Red Sox Doreen
Yes, it’s true: Pete is a Patriots fan.
goodbye for real now!
M, that’s true…….I’m just saying there would be a bad taste if the Yankees blew this lead. Again, though, it’s not like they have played that badly – they are allowed to be human. The Sox have played extremely well and that’s why the gap has closed recently. It’s more about crediting the Sox then blaming the Yankees.
really, Mitre – you’re going to need to get outs, too
Oh. That sounded like Pete was dying or something. Although some have said Pete is dead to them now.
The bad part is he gave his two weeks notice and won’t be finishing the season with us.
Seriously?
Pete?
Wow.
I’m speechless.
It’s good for him, bad for us. That’s his hometown.
When did he announce this?
“Joba belongs in the bullpen as the setup man for Mo.” No he does not..he is not as good as hughes….he does not deserve to be a set-up man right now..I am not sure he deserves a spot on the post season roster..
Complete failure from Joba Chamberlain. Im getting so tired of him. He better acknowledge his struggle in his interviews because another stupid “Im fine, I think I’ve been pitching well” and I and many will finally lose faith in him, no matter if he is 23 or 13. You can have all the talent in the world, but if your head isn’t in the right place, it doesn’t matter. Just ask Burnett.
At this point, I don’t care if he is a starter or a reliever, I want him to play solid for the Yankees. If the best Joba is the reliever, make the change now. Joba the starter has been frustrating because the guy shows no improvement and his head doesn’t seem to be in the place it has to be.
Not covering the playoffs?
Now, I’m REALLY speechless.
“They have won 2 championships as a WC team facing the Angels in the first round.”
The won as a WC team once.
Betsy,
As long as we do take something from Anaheim and hold serve against the Red Sox, we’ll be okay.
Well, not covering the playoffs for the Yankees, that is.
RS, the Sox are in the middle of a 10-1 or 11-1 stretch (not sure what it is), so they are already doing what they need to do. That’s not pessimism, it’s the truth.
As a die hard yankees fan since 1960 I am so sick and tired of joba this and joba rules etc, He is a lousy starting pitcher and I sure hope the yankees trade this bum, Oh I know i will get people to disagree but he was far better as a reliver, and then you got Joe Giradi who continues to make these crazy decision like keep joba in after 7 runs, cmon how far to you think the yankees will get in the post season when you have much smarter managers in franscona and the angel manager. Yes we have one 94 games but at this rate we will probally finish 2nd to the red sox who definelty have a better team and pitching.
Didn’t the Red Sox lose Thursday night?
Doreen September 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Seriously?
Pete?
Wow.
I’m speechless.
It’s good for him, bad for us. That’s his hometown.
When did he announce this
Last year
Joba needs to keep his emotions off the field.
He’s a better closer than starter. But you have a point about Hughes.
The Yanks have 95 wins. If they go 6-6 they will win 101 games. Is Boston really going to go 12-2 to tie them?? Come on. Unfortunately the Yanks will not have a big lead to rest guys and it will go down to the end but the Yanks will win the division.
You people are so dumb, so dumb.
Joba as a set up man in the playoffs? Have you been watching his starts?
Brilliant logic. Because he did something well 2 years ago he should clearly be able to do it again? A guy whose worst is always in the FIRST INNING coming in with runners in base in crucial spots in the game? Have you lost your minds?
Chip away offense.
Scotty Bro in the booth!
Looks like scott brosius is gonna be in the broadcst booth next inning. I will never forget walking into a museum in McMinnville, Oregon wearing a Yankees shirt. I bought an admittance ticket and the woman who supervised the museum came over to me. She introduced herself as Scott Brosius’s sister. Small world
Doreen:
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....s-for-you/
I just don’t want us going into the playoffs on a losing streak. The Sox are turning up the volume; we seem to be backpeddling in.
We’ve seen before what happens when we start the playoffs in a lackluster way: we lose in the FIRST ROUND.
My vote, for what it’s worth – send Joba down to Tampa right now. Maximize his time there, to have the best chance at fixing it before the playoffs start. And to send a message loud and clear.
And I’d let Ace take his place in the rotation. Get him stretched out a bit starting now. Between his stuff and his pitching experience, I think he’s the best bet to be the #4 starter.
Joba isn’t even a sure thing in the pen now.
“Didn’t the Red Sox lose Thursday night?”
Instead of Asking so many questions why dont u look it up urself?
I think we should be hoping for a miracle with Ian Kennedy!! JOba needs to go BACK into the bullpen. I say we say Sergio Mitre becomes “injured”, and we add IPK to take the 4th spot in the playoffs…he CANT do POSSIBLY ANY worse…then joba can go back to his old fire ballin self
M, yes, I agree……….I don’t blame the Yankees offense today. Joba took them completely out of it from the very beginning. If he could just have minimized the damage, this team would have had a shot.
Love Scott. Classy fellow.
Betsy, the Red Sox are on an 11-1 stretch. For them to have any chance at winnings the division they have to go 13-2 the rest of the way. So the Red Sox are going to end the season 24-3? You must have a lot of confidence in the Red Sox.
finally something good to see in this game, brosius we love you.
I am not a big Pete fan, but he has been unequalled in providing his constituency with all the relevant news regarding the Yankees in a most expeditious and complete fashion. Best wishes to him.
Actually, the more disturbing aspect of this game is how poorly the offense is doing against Snell.
Sox make up 2 in angles series…. Then sweep Yanks… In first by next Monday.
“Is Boston really going to go 12-2 to tie them??”
They’ve gone 12-2 over their last 14.
Good to see Scottie B again.
Yanks win the AL East…That’s the fact
If the yankees lose the division… Is this collapse bigger than the Mets in 2007?
Hey Don, I agree with you for the most part. Joba is insanely overrated…I hate players/pitchers who perform terrible and have excuses or actually say ” i pitched or played well”
“The won as a WC team once.”
My bad. Either way, they beat the Angels in the first round both times they won the WS. What I was thinking of was ’04 and last year where they went out to Anaheim as the WC team and beat the Angels easily to advance to the ALCS.
Rex, don’t discount the possibility…remember the Rockies of 07….and the Sawx are a vastly superior ball club.
So 1 team has lost a 6 game lead with 12 to play. Odds favor the Yankees I say.
“If the yankees lose the division… Is this collapse bigger than the Mets in 2007?” No because they will still make the playoffs however they would lose quickly to Angels…
Bright side: CC has proven he can still be great on 3 days rest.
If he just pitches one game in the ALCS on 3 days rest, the Yankees do not need a 4th starter.
The offense almost never chips away when they’re down big early. I’m not knocking them or complaining just something I’ve noticed this year.
Ian Snell is not Felix Hernandez. They’ve should of at-least scored a run by now.
Is it even possible to stretch Ace out in the relatively few games remaining?
RS: No team had ever blown a 3-0 lead in a postseason series either.
Look – I’m not implying that they are going to blow this lead. But there doesn’t seem to be any moderate voice in this conversation. On the one extreme, you have people jumping off bridges convinced that the Sox are going undefeated the rest of the way; and on the other side, there are those who think the division is already clinched so what’s the fuss?
My sense is that the division will get even closer and then the Yanks will take care of business next weekend head to head with Boston.
The only 2 concerns are this: 1) Boston only has to finish the season tied – they own the tiebreaker. 2) I’m uncomfortable with the Red Sox closing schedule – 7 cupcake home games with Toronto and Cleveland. Yankees better end next Sunday’s game with at least a 3 game lead.
So the Sox are going to come into Yankee Stadium and Sweep the Yanks in September with the division on the line? Okay then.
Because the Yankees play the Red Sox and the Angels back-to-back, this lead is not an impossible one to overcome.
It’s not impossible, and stop deluding yourselves. If the Yankees continue to not take care of business, Boston has a piece of cake schedule the rest of the way. Boston is playing teams like Baltimore and Kansas City, while we can’t beat Baltimore and Seattle, teams which are not that good. Because of Boston’s schedule, it is not unlikely that they could be 3 or 4 games back going to the series at Yankee Stadium.
You have to take care of your own business. When you have a big lead and you win, nothing can happen. When you start playing like garbage, like they have lately, anything is possible, and the Red Sox are not letting the opportunity slip away.
Stop looking so long term and saying “well 14-2 this.” The Red Sox could go 4-1 and the Yankees 1-4 and 3 games come off the lead. From that point on, you start from 0-0 and keep playing. It’s not about 15-2 once you chop the games off, it starts from that point again and you don’t need such a crazy pace from then on.
Joba biggest disappointment of 09 season.. Most over-hyped, over-rated player. He needs to be a man and admit he’s not that good right now and get it straightened out in 2010!
“What I was thinking of was ‘04 and last year where they went out to Anaheim as the WC team and beat the Angels easily to advance to the ALCS.”
I believe they beat the Halos as the WC in ’04 and ’08, but as the AL East champ in ’07.
Why is everyone suggesting that Girardi is somehow not going to be able to rest guys? All he has been doing since we got a huge lead is rest guys and the yankees have continued to play well.
I guess people who think the Red Sox have little to no chance of winning the division are crazy…I mean how hard is it for the Sox to finish the season 24-3 and the Yankees to play under .500 from here on out? Those KC Royals and Rays are going to be tough the final week of the season. I can’t remember the last time the Yankees beat the Royals or took a series at the Trop.
why does everyone assume that if they play the angels its an automatic loss? i know they havent beaten them in the past but this is a new year with new players. the yankees have more wins than the angels for a reason. the halos bullpen is shakier this year than in recent ones…all im saying is dont just assume the angels will euqual an automatic out
“Joba biggest disappointment of 09 season.. Most over-hyped, over-rated player. He needs to be a man and admit he’s not that good right now and get it straightened out in 2010!” I could not have said it better…He is a big baby who got way overhyped because of his performance in the pen a few years ago…and he blew that game in cleveland..i don’t care about any bugs..another joba excuse.
They must be losing.
The troll ratio has increased proportionately.
And Matt is posting.
The Yanks will be fine…they need one win and one rangers loss to clinch
Which is more maddening? Joba’s start or the sucky Yankees offense against Snell?
“Yanks win the AL East…That’s the fact”
pat m-
i think you’re right, but maybe we all should take a vacation like doreen and not watch too close because the road there might not be pretty.
If the Yankees make it to the ALCS is anyone else on board with CC going once on 3 days rest?
The yanks will win the division….but even if they do not the big deal is the pitching rotation in the playoffs…Their rotation right now has serious problems…After CC..you just can not be sure..AJ is a head case, Andy hopefully is healthy…and they DO NOT have a fourth starter…That is what we should be focused on..
“They’ve gone 12-2 over their last 14.”
So they’re going to go 24-4 over the last month of the season? And the Yankees what are going to lose 10 of their last 14? They Sox’ll split 2 and 2 with the KC Greinke’s and then lose two to the Yankees. Yankees win the Al East by at least 5.
As far as resting guys the Yankees have been resting guys the past 2 weeks…
Pete,
If you’re serious with that question, I go with the short series in the ALDS. And if we advance beyond that, I go with Joba as the 4th starter, with Aceves & Hughes to back him up at the first sign of trouble.
“If the Yankees make it to the ALCS is anyone else on board with CC going once on 3 days rest?” I hate pitching guys on three days rest..the data shows it is not a good idea. but the yanks may not have a choice…
Maybe Mitre should of started the game? lol
Why can’t Phil start… He never should have went to the pen. Yanks are not handling thier young arms well….
Which is more maddening? Joba’s start or the sucky Yankees offense against Snell?
THIS IS ALL ABOUT JOBA….Can’t blame the offense..Joba killed the yanks AGAIN…..I can’t wait to hear this tool speak after the game
“Yanks win the AL East…That’s the fact”
It really is. Even if Boston went balls to the wall, which they won’t, and really haven’t lately, the Yankess are not going to lose this lead.
Joba sucked etc, I get it…
but, what the heck happened to the vaunted Yankee offense?
“Why can’t Phil start… He never should have went to the pen. Yanks are not handling thier young arms well….” If Hughes was never put in the pen the yanks would not have the lead or record they currently do
Enough Mitre
September 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
“If the Yankees make it to the ALCS is anyone else on board with CC going once on 3 days rest?” I hate pitching guys on three days rest..the data shows it is not a good idea. but the yanks may not have a choice…
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I know the data shows its not a good idea. But CC is a beast. Do you remember what he did last year. He was dominant for like 3 or 4 straight starts on 3 days rest.
“I believe they beat the Halos as the WC in ‘04 and ‘08, but as the AL East champ in ‘07.”
That’s exactly right. My point is that the Red Sox have no qualms about being the WC winner and having to beat the Angels in LA. Francona isn’t going to take drastic measures to attempt to win the division. The Yankees would really have to screw things up themselves. It’s a different scenario than what you’re seeing with the Twins and Tigers. The Twins WILL take drastic measures if they have to (ie. have Mauer play all remaining games either at catcher or DH and let Nathan pitch 4 days in a row if needed) because they don’t have the WC cushion to fall back on.
Yanks put up some crooked #s in the next innings to give Sergio the W.
How do you win a divison when the manager blows game after game for you, I remember there was a time a pitcher gave up 3 runs and he was out, here joba is giving up 7 runs and still pitching, I doubt very much torre would allow him to continue to pitch, this guy needs to be sent down to tampa and earn his pitching sport or leave the yankees.,
If they could stretch Aceves in time…
I’d have more faith in Aceves giving you a good start than just about any other choice in the 4th spot…
Yankees are losing, and guess who shows up right on time?
Matt
September 20th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
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You could set your clocks by this guy.
I agree with you Lets go twins..I agree…I just wish the yanks were not put in a position to have to do so…
Look – I’m not implying that they are going to blow this lead. But there doesn’t seem to be any moderate voice in this conversation. On the one extreme, you have people jumping off bridges convinced that the Sox are going undefeated the rest of the way; and on the other side, there are those who think the division is already clinched so what’s the fuss?
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I’ll take the moderate stance. They haven’t won the division yet, and they need to play like they want it. That being said, I am a yankee fan and I refuse to spend time worrying about the Red Sox and ruining my enjoyment of what has been a terrific season. This team has shown enough this year that I believe in them, flaws and all.
Newsflash – Every team is flawed.
“but, what the heck happened to the vaunted Yankee offense?
those saturday nights on the road can be fun.
I don’t like the Yanks losing these games to bad teams, but Boston is not going 12-2. Their rotation has been pitching well but they still have Byrd, Wakefield(with no back), DiceK and labtops in it.
“Francona isn’t going to take drastic measures to attempt to win the division. The Yankees would really have to screw things up themselves. It’s a different scenario than what you’re seeing with the Twins and Tigers.”
I hear you. You’re 100% right.
The Yankees have 95 wins and are playing .667 ball in September, and people are still whining about the Red Sox.
I guess people just always need to be afraid of something.
UPDATE, 5:31 p.m.: Joba threw two more pitches than his last outing. What exactly is the point of all this? He had thrown 67 in his last game. Why not just leave him out there to throw 85 and get stretched out?
Because this is still a game, don’t you think? After covering the Yankees all year long, how can you now think the Yankees might comeback and win this game? Joba was horrible and was poised to allow 10+ runs. Its hard right now, but we are a big inning away from making this a game…
The Yankees made a mistake by not staying with the stretch Aceves out experiment. I don’t know how they could ignore what he did for us as a starter last season.
randy l.
September 20th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
“but, what the heck happened to the vaunted Yankee offense?
those saturday nights on the road can be fun.
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any way to set a curfew on them until some time in November??!!?
Again I don’t think we should be worried about the division..the yanks will win the divison but in a month the yanks went from overwhelming favorites to a team with serious questions in their starting rotation outside of CC
“those saturday nights on the road can be fun.”
In Seattle??? I’ve seen fun….and Seattle ain’t it.
I don’t think so, Joba should’ve stayed in to stretch out. These abbreviated starts have all been curious to say the least.
I don’t have a problem Matt posting just posting out a well known fact that he only posts when they’re losing.
*cue indignant defensive* “But there’s nothing to discuss when they’re winning!”
T-minus 30 seconds…
In other news the New York Jets have defeated the New England Patriots.
Pete, are those the tears of inconsolable sadness?
They didn’t stick with the “stretch out Aceves” experiment because it was a HUGE mistake. The guy was one of our most valuable guys in the pen and they pushed him WAY too hard in trying to stretch him out and he had shoulder problems.
Ever since that attempt at starting him when they pushed him too hard, he has had a variety of injuries and has not been the same pitcher. Trying to do the same would be incredibly dumb.
The Pats are old….
And Joba will say he pitched well and Girardi always makes excuses for him after each disaster. What needs to happen here is for someone on the team – Jeter, Tex or A-Rod – to take a leadership role and say to the press, in the locker room, after the game: “I’m tired of Joba putting us in a whole with every start.”
*cue indignant defensive* “But there’s nothing to discuss when they’re winning!”
T-minus 30 seconds…
10, 9, 8, 7, 6 …
“I don’t know how they could ignore what he did for us as a starter last season.”
Because it was 4 starts in garbage time.
Forget about today’s game and the division. We have to hope that Pettitte feels good in his start tomorrow. Obviously if he is not ok they have major issues.
I am tired of Joba putting us in a hole when he pitches
This really is insane. If the Sox go less than 12-2 they’ll win less than 101 games. If the Yankees go 6-6 or better they win 101 games or more. Regardless of anything else that happens the Sox play absolutely incredibly for 2 weeks or they can’t win the division. For the Yanks to lose the division they have to play atrociously.
#ConversationEndingPlays
“Forget about today’s game and the division. We have to hope that Pettitte feels good in his start tomorrow. Obviously if he is not ok they have major issues.” Very true…true indeed..I think he will be fine..but who knows..
Good job Jorge. I’m oddly confident that we are going to at least make an attempt to get back in this game
Good job Jorge. I’m oddly confident that we are going to make an attempt to get back in this game
Man what is up with these Mariner fans? Fair ball coming down the line and both times they reach their hands out to grab it. Get a clue.
Yeah, well what Aceves did in garbage time is looking a lot better than what Joba’s doing in garbage time.
What do you care whether I post here when they win or lose?
It means absolutely nothing. I choose to post when there is something to discuss, whether they win or lose. Attempting to discredit me by making things up that are not true just makes you look worse in the end.
So if they win this game, I’ll only be posting here when they lose? If I post in a 0-0 game that they go on to win, does it not count because I didn’t make all my posts when they had the lead? Who really cares?
Nice to get a run on the board finally…
Yay a run.
Basically in my mind for the yanks to not win the division they would have to get swept by boston..which they won’t..they win one game in that series they take 2 off the magic number…
m said:
“These abbreviated starts have all been curious to say the least.”
Couldn’t agree more…is there a precedent for the way they’re dealing with Joba, i.e. 3 and 4 inning starts?
at least the offense looks like they might be waking up.
…5,4…
Haha.. I opened up the comments having just got home, not knowing the score at all. I figured I’d know if they were winning or losing based on who was posting.
My instincts were correct, lol.
Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup ), I’m at Anahiem Stadium for Monday & Tuesday ……In fact tomorrow I’m sitting in the front row in right field near the pole…I’ll be rapping with Mr. Swisher…..Yanks will be fine, Joba is a concern however…. Sometime in the offseason, while he is working on the club’s mandated conditioning program, he needs to be in Tampa and have Eiland just tear him down ( mechanically ) and rebiuld him……I still believa good part of his problem is conditioning…There’s going to be a time next month when he’ll need to step it up, and now that’s becoming a concern
Sorry angel it was difficult to say anything positive after what we witnessed…
We are where we are, but all of us who watched the Angels series with the Sux realize that the Angels in reality took two out of three – except for Rick Reed’s abhorrent calls in the bottom of the 9th in game 2. We also realize that if it weren’t for the very unusual relief effort by Mo in game one, we would be on the winning side of this series.
I’m thinking we will see more normalcy than abberations in the remaining games. That makes me feel the Yankees are in good shape to win the division. Winning two out of every three games is a very nice winning percentage when you are in the lead with 12 to play.
And for those who are fond of mentioning hot hands, KC has gone 7 and 3 in its last 10 games.
Cano and RISP…yikes
What a wild swing that was Cano…Unreal…
“These abbreviated starts have all been curious to say the least.”
“Couldn’t agree more…is there a precedent for the way they’re dealing with Joba, i.e. 3 and 4 inning starts?”
NO i have never seen another team treat a young pitcher that way…however he was not that great before they did it so let’s not only blame giradi, cashman, etc….
that was a killer at bat by cano..
Cano overanxious there? Melky held up on the same location.
Up to Melky to make this a game. This may be our last chance.
“For the Yanks to lose the division they’d have to play atrociously”
Yeah, that’s the point.
*cue indignant defensive* “But there’s nothing to discuss when they’re winning!”
T-minus 30 seconds…
10, 9, 8, 7, 6 …
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Matt
September 20th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
What do you care whether I post here when they win or lose?
It means absolutely nothing. I choose to post when there is something to discuss, whether they win or lose. Attempting to discredit me by making things up that are not true just makes you look worse in the end.
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Hey, Angel, we didn’t miss it by much did we?
The “indignant defensiveness” is pretty impressive though, you gotta admit. Oh, and he also threw a little “that are not true” spin too, not bad, sparky.
“Attempting to discredit me by making things up that are not true just makes you look worse in the end.”
Attempting to discredit you?
Matt, that’s already happened. And I had nothing to do with it at all, your actions did that all by themselves.
I skip over your posts, so its no skin off my nose if you post or not.
But if someone can tell if the Yankees are winning or losing based purely on if you are posting blocks of words, then you don’t need any help at all in being discredited. It’s already something of a running joke.
Girardi should take the guys out of the game. They have done nothing with RISP today and aren’t scoring 6 more runs.
Cano’s not mentally tough. I hope that changes and he doesn’t let RISP freak him out next season and beyond. He won’t really be a great player until he learns to hit under real pressure.
Cano with RISP…. Man… Useless…
Same goes for Melky
UPDATE, 6:11 p.m.: In a stunning development, Cano unable to get a hit with runners in scoring position.
lmao
The Joba Rules are an utter failure, he has not made the transition, not made any strides in making the transition to starter. He should go to the pen and like many before him, pitch his way out. 91- 92 MPH works for a Mike Mussina and he’s no Mike Mussina.
the baseball IQ for many of you is so low it doesn’t even register.
the Yankees have played over .700 baseball since the All Star game.
baseball teams have lulls during a season, the last 10 days is one of them.
there are 6 key games against the Angels and Red Sox, an opportunity for the Yankees to make a definitive statement heading into the post season. Do you honestly think this Yankees team is afraid of making such a statment? And even if they go 3-3 or 2-4 this week, they will still most likely wind up with Home Field Advantage because they havd a cup cake last week schedule against the Royals and Rays.
so enjoy your whining, it doesn’t make any difference on the field, where it counts. But, when the Yankees win the World Series this year, as they most likely will, do me and all the other true fans a favor and keep your idiotic mouths shut.
Joba rules…. Too bad I can’t explain myself on this blog without using foul language
“He should go to the pen and like many before him, pitch his way out. 91- 92 MPH works for a Mike Mussina…”
Andy Pettite: Joba, I served with Mike Mussina, I knew Mike Mussina, Mike Mussina is a friend of mine. Joba, you are no Mike Mussina.
so what is worse – knowing the game is pretty much over early and using that time to do other things or a loss like Saturday where you stay up until 1 am only to have your guts ripped out…
I mean, a loss is a loss, right?
Aceves needs to be stretched out to be our 4th starter in the post season.
The Joba experiment for this season is over. Put him in the pen and see if the whole one inning thing gets him to rediscover a way to be useful.
He’s about as useful right now as a you know what in your armpit.
Tricia, I wonder how things will be here when the Royals take 2 of 3 vs The BoSox…….Pepitone # 25…..High 5 on the Matt call……I just wonder why he comes here, I thought this was a Yankee fan site……Mr. Doom himself…..Must be rough being him, thinking the world is always about to end…..
Tricia, I wonder how things will be here when the Royals take 2 of 3 vs The BoSox…….Pepitone # 25…..High 5 on the Matt call……I just wonder why he comes here, I thought this was a Yankee fan site……Mr. Doom himself…..Must be rough being him, thinking the world is always about to end…..
OK, let’s talk a little reality here for a moment -
1) The Yanks are in the playoffs.
2) I would like for them to win the division, and clinch home field. But, if they don’t, number 1 is still true.
3) Pitching and defense wins championships.
Bullpen? The back end (Hughes and Mo) is the best in baseball IMO. The rest? I think they’ll be OK.
Starters? Sabathia (ACE) Pettitte (EXPERIENCED WARRIOR) Burnett?? (I think he’ll be ok too). But, Chamberlain, Gaudin, and ‘gulp’ Mitre are not OK.
Can the Yankees go far with only three – maybe only 2 – reliable starters? That’s the question that haunts me.
It’s hard to even root for Joba because it looks like he doesn’t even try to make adjustments. It’s all mental with him. He thinks he can just throw the ball and make outs. It doens’t work that way with major league hitters. I was rooting for him when he dominated, but now when I look at him I see an empty shell of a pitcher who cared. I hope he “gets” it someday and makes something of his talent, but 91-93mph doesn’t get it done anymore!
should have been the 2nd time he grounded into a double play
They’re on cruise control. Period. if they can’t get up for the Anaheim and Boston series, then there’s a problem.
They look putrid right now, though.
How is Gardner not on the move there?
Oh, I forgot defense -
I think our infield defense is the best in the AL (IMO).
Outfield defense is good when Melky and Gardner are out there. When they are not both out there, the outfield defense is barley passable.
So, except for starting pitching, and maybe outfield defense, the Yankees have what it takes to be World Series champions.
Top SF Giants prospect Angel Villalona under arrest for murder
http://www.google.com/hostedne.....QD9AR8OK80
“How is Gardner not on the move there?”
Thought the same.
“They look putrid right now, though.”
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Do you think they looked putrid yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that?
They don’t look good today, but only today.
you know whats funny…if the yankees were in the position the red sox were in…this whole place would be saying that we stand NO CHANCE at all to catch the team that was 5 games in front with 12 to play…so why is it that we are 5 games up with 12 to play and we stand such a good chance to blow this lead according to some people?
Tom in NJ
Thanks for the link.
It is not good that Joba put his team in such a hole. On the road, it is a virtually impossible task to come from 7 runs down. And all the breaks are NOT going the Yankees’ way.
Randy l -
It was actually a relief to not follow the team for a few days. I certainly didn’t lose any sleep and I gained some perspective. The will do what they’ll do no matter what I do.
I believe they’ll hang on to win the division, but I don’t believe they’ll do so by more than 1 or 2 games. That’s fine. Boston is a good team. The Angels are a good team. No shame in battling it out with those two, as much as we as Yankee fans would love to see total domination.
Pat M -
Had a great time in San Diego. Didn’t utilitize the trolley system, but there was no traffic so it was fine. PETCO is gorgeous park. We did the tour. And the Yankees need to be ashamed of themselves. It was a one and half hour tour for a team with 40 years of history. No stone was left unturned. By contrast, our NYS tour lasted maybe 40 minutes and felt incredibly rushed. Our guide at PETCO was a charming man named Don who didn’t take for granted that his group knew everything there was to know. I won’t go on about his now, because there is an actual game going on. But loved SD.
I don’t how you feel or how anyone else feels, but I get a bad taste in my mouth when I see Joba as the starter for a game. I can’t bear to watch this keep happening every five days until the playoffs. Even then they should either throw him in the bullpen or just not use him.
““How is Gardner not on the move there?”
Thought the same.”
who steals bases down 6 runs?
RalphieD (OPPC)
September 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
““How is Gardner not on the move there?”
Thought the same.”
who steals bases down 6 runs?
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in an attempt to stay out of the DP
RalphiD, the count was 3-2 on Jeter, send him to stay out of the DP.
“Tricia, I wonder how things will be here when the Royals take 2 of 3 vs The BoSox”
Pat M, probably permission to hold onto the ledge with one hand as opposed to two…
Also – some perspective w/regard to the Yankees. They really have not slumped since before the ASB. Rather they do so now than in October, no? They’ll regroup. They’ll be fine. And wouldn’t it be a real kick if IPK comes up big????
Great post over on RAB:
Assuming the absolute worse (that the Yankees are dreadful and Boston is unbeatable as many here seem to think)
Boston sweeps KC (beating Greinke in one of those games), Yankees get swept by the Angels (because obviously the Angels are so much better given they are 6 games back of the Yankees)
The Yankees still head into the Boston series with a 1.5 game lead. If the Yankees win one game they still leave that series ahead.
…with some editing by me
BryanHoch: Not to poke an open wound, Yanks fans, but … RT @STATS_MLB The #Red Sox are 19-6 since 8/24 – best in #MLB over that period.
We have seen with Gardner it takes him way too long to read the pitcher. In the off season he definitely should work on that and bunting. There is no reason for him not to know/try bunting to get on base. He needs to use his speed much more than he does.
“So, except for starting pitching, and maybe outfield defense, the Yankees have what it takes to be World Series champions.”
How do you win a world series without starting pitching????
THe angels will not sweep the yanks..the angels bullpen is terrible..The yanks will eat it alive..
Remember when Pete was ramming it down everyone’s throat that Joba was a front line starter and that anyone who thought otherwise was a complete idiot and knew nothing about baseball? Go call, Pete! Of course, the Almighty Pete Abe will NEVER admit that he was dead wrong. Go away already, the Almighty one………..
I want to that thank good lord (and money) for making Tex a Yankee.
Rishi
September 20th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
BryanHoch: Not to poke an open wound, Yanks fans, but … RT @STATS_MLB The #Red Sox are 19-6 since 8/24 – best in #MLB over that period
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Um Bryan thats a .750 WP. Good for the Red Sox, they have played well for less than a month. The Yankees played .750 baseball for over 2 months.
Pete: Maybe start Kennedy, with Gaudin and Aceves in relief and Swish as a mop-up guy if things totally fall apart lol. Starting Joba in the division series right now is a scary proposition. Agreed that the team needs to have a reality check conversation with Joba in the offseason, as SJ44 and you have said. Something does have to change, whether it’s better conditioning or whatever. And if the Yankees offense could get it together today, they might actually have a bit of a chance to come back.
Doreen, I’m glad you were able to enjoy the great city of San Diego, as it’s just simply a marvelous and beautiful city……Petco is really a unique ballpark and it’s location lends itself for Chamber of Commerece photos…..
when was the last time Arod had a game off? Looks like a rest is in order
Let’s go Twins: that scenario you described is correct, but at the same time, terrible. Under that scenario (and I’m not endorsing that it will happen) the Yanks/Boston series would end with New York ahead by .5 game (tied in the loss column). That would actually put Boston in control of their own destiny.
Pat M -
If you didn’t know better from some angles it looks like a condo (PETCO, that is). We also enjoyed the Seaport Village and took a SEAL tour. Really touristy! And, ho-hum, 4 days, no clouds!
The shadows must really be in the way. They are having some weird swings. Everyone is besides Tex ofcourse today.
Pat M.
Glad you got the Car/Atl over pick. Hope you played it.
Congrats on the Jets win.
-dennis
why didnt cano even consider running to 1st base on that strikeout in the dirt? can anyone help me with that?
and why would he swing at a ball a foot off the plate in the dirt?
sulking again?
What a game…… zzzzzz
Hey Fat Pete, are you ever going to admit that you were dead wrong for calling out the smart fans who correctly said Joba WAS NOT a starter? Remember when you said people were idiots if they thought (correctly) otherwise? Hypocrite….
Now Mitre is unhittable. Too bad it doesn’t count.
maybe serg shoulda started? i miss cmw
i guess this game is over. time for dinner. 5 games in lost column to both. should be enough. might make next 6 games rather interesting. will joba be included sat vs redsox? how will andy look tomorrow? these are the questions of the day.
and, of course. will the jets make the super bowl?
coney is ready to walk the streets of seattle. still lookin for a party. coney island.
Mitre has looked really good today. Before some idiot says that he has no pressure on him, you’re wrong. He’s gunning for a PS roster spot. Nothing being hit solid, control has been outstanding and he’s getting swings and misses and ground balls. It will be interesting to see how he does next spring. Same thing for Guadin.
Joba tired out the Mariner’s bats
Mitre should’ve started this game and Joba shouldn’t have been allowed to stay in for 7 runs.
Just checking in:
>> The Joba experiment for this season is over. Put him in the pen and see if the whole one inning thing gets him to rediscover a way to be useful.
Sums up my feelings exactly. Jobamania is dead!
Dennis-Costanza…..I did play your tip….I also nailed the Jets, Saints, 49er’s….I’m tanking it with the Yanks this afternoon…….I’ve been playing action and I never knew anyone who just hits the over / under line like you do……I’m toying with the idea of playing the G-Men tonight ( money line ) ???? Any thoughts on tonight……
“How do you win a world series without starting pitching????”
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I never said they had no starting pitching, not once! Try reading comprehension.
I said, the starting pitching and defense were the only two areas of worry (IMO) that’s all.
The Almighty Pete Abe
September 20th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Hey Fat Pete, are you ever going to admit that you were dead wrong for calling out the smart fans who correctly said Joba WAS NOT a starter? Remember when you said people were idiots if they thought (correctly) otherwise? Hypocrite….
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What makes you think he would be good out of the bullpen?
He does not throw strikes and has been awful in the first inning of his games.
Right now Joba sucks. Period. It does not matter if he is a starter, middle reliver, set-up man, closer, long relief. Whatever. With the way he is pitching he would be awful in all of those roles.
1 for 11 with RISP, yet again.
It’s no shock what the score is when you see this stat.
It’s not the pitching, it’s the offense, and if they don’t start hitting in these spots, it’s going to only get tougher for them. Other than the 1 comeback win on Wednesday, they have had more than enough chances to get back in these games despite the pitching performances.
If they get even 2 or 3 more base hits in those spots, the bullpen kept them at 7 and they could have chipped away and made it only a 3 or 4 run deficit. But instead, Ian Snell of the 5.00+ ERA stymied them and they couldn’t even chip away whatsoever.
I totally disagree. When he’s good, he’s very good. Give him a break.
The Yanks are the midst of a collapse.
By this time next Sunday, the Red Sox will be one game out in the lose column.
The Yanks will lose two out of three in Anaheim.
The Yanks will lose two out of three versus the Sox.
Can the Yanks hold on to a one game lead in the finally week? Not they way they’re playing
the issue right now is that after sabathia the yankees have no idea what to expect from their starters in the playoffs.
anyone that likes the state of the yankee rotation at the moment just isn’t being real , and i doubt very much that eiland is sleeping well at night right now.
all this can change, but joba made progress in his last start and then regressed as bad as he could today. burnett was better and that gives hope.
if pettitte is without arm fatigue tomorrow night that’ll be huge.
I don’t think so…look at the stats! There will be no end of season collapse.
lets go twins,
i didn’t say he would be better out of the pen. i was just pointing out that fat almighty pete traitor was calling people idiots for disagreeing (correctly) with him re: joba.
The Yanks are the midst of a collapse.
By this time next Sunday, the Red Sox will be one game out in the lose column.
The Yanks will lose two out of three in Anaheim.
The Yanks will lose two out of three versus the Sox.
Can the Yanks hold on to a one game lead in the finally week? Not they way they’re playing.
Looks like Peter jumped ship at the right moment.
Yankees offense since 4 game sweep of Tampa:
4 runs
3 runs
13 runs (mostly in the 8th)
4 runs (with like a 4 for 15 with RISP)
5 runs (8th inning comeback, only 2 prior)
2 runs (chances with runners at 3rd, less than 2 outs to put away game and didn’t)
10 runs
1 run
3 games of 3 or fewer runs, 2 games of 4 runs in the last 8. So in 5 of the last 8 games, they have scored 4 or fewer runs. When you combine that with the fact that they are starting Mitre, Gaudin, and Joba in many of these, the outcomes of these games is not too surprising.
some of these comments are pretty nauseating….
*+ 5 runs against Angels
And the Boston Tulips rise up out of the muck and mire of the Back bay to act like they had no concerns over the last three months. Go figure. It’s a pity that posters like Ray and Dennis get tagged with guilt by association. My condolences to them.
gb7-
5 innings for mitre was also helpful in not using anyone else from the pen.
There’s nothing stopping the Yankees from collapsing except the Yankees themselves. If they start playing with some more urgency and get these runs home, it won’t be a problem.
The problem is that nobody seems to think they can blow this lead. If you keep losing to bad teams, you certainly can. They have to pick up their game before Boston is breathing down their backs. They aren’t yet, but if they lose a bunch to Anaheim they certainly could be.
The rotation issues have happened every year for the last 5 years. Basically AJ and Andy need to be very good or they go home. I expect CC to be good unless he is on fumes by then. This is why I would limit his next 3 starts to under 90 pitches or so. He already leads all of baseball in innings pitched. Tomorrow is a big day for Andy. As he said he hopes his arm doesn’t “fatigue out”.
GreenBeret7-
when you were in the army, did you stare at goats??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....eature=pyv
Every team loses once in a while, it doesn’t mean they’re collapsing!!
When you score 4 or fewer runs a game, you put way more pressure on your pitching to get it done, and subsequently they don’t because it’s impossible to be perfect when the pressure is on and you are not scoring runs.
You can’t expect the pitching to pitch to a 3.00 ERA every time out there. Sometimes you have to pick them up, and the Yankees offensively haven’t done that much lately.
And, then there is the spectre of something called Matt, who is a Boston fan masquerading in pinstipes.
Mariniers 7 – 1 (FINAL)
Well, that didn’t take long.
What a ridiculous statement. I’m a Red Sox fan? Because I don’t believe everything is going well in Yankeeland when they have lost 4 games off their 9 game lead in a week? If that makes me a Red Sox fan, then most of NY must be Red Sox fans.
I’m most certainly not a Red Sox fan, and calling me such is pretty stupid.
randy l.
September 20th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
gb7-
5 innings for mitre was also helpful in not using anyone else from the pen.
Mitre’s pitching and Teixeira coming out of his mini-slump this week were two big signs, along with Burnett’s efforts on Friday.
wow.
4 games up in the loss column?
It was just 8.
We lose 2 out of three to the Angels, and the lead will be 2 games going into the Sox series.
2 games?
This choke job could equal 2004.
“when you were in the army, did you stare at goats?”
can’t wait to hear the answer to this one .
Let this game serve as a reality check for the team. All except Chamberpot who is beyond repair for the 2009 season.
GreenBeret7
September 20th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
And, then there is the spectre of something called Matt, who is a Boston fan masquerading in pinstipes.
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Indignant denial coming in 10 … 9 … 8 … 7 … 6 ….
The Yankees have a chance to do very well against the Angels. The matchups are good. I’m not one to make those kinds of determinations, but I think, as Bob and the boys are saying, Mitre did good for the team today. They are fresh going into Anaheim.
You stand by the Yankees through good and bad…that’s what fans are for!! yes, they are having a rough stretch but they’re pretty much guaranteed the wild card. they’ll get to the playoffs.
GB7, what did I tell ya -
Matt
September 20th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
What a ridiculous statement. I’m a Red Sox fan? Because I don’t believe everything is going well in Yankeeland when they have lost 4 games off their 9 game lead in a week? If that makes me a Red Sox fan, then most of NY must be Red Sox fans.
I’m most certainly not a Red Sox fan, and calling me such is pretty stupid.
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Ya gotta admit, the kid is consistent.
brady sucks! brady sucks! pats will never be as good as they were. see ya.
I thought Matt was Trish or Trish was Matt. Something like that. Come on, some one support my conspiracy theory.
I have to say- outstanding job for Mitre today. It’s a shame not much else clicked
Depending on the situations and the scores against the Angels, NYY pitchers need to identify 3 hitters in each game to pitch around. My picks are Guerrero, Kendrick and Figgins.
Move over Omar Minaya and the New York Mets, here comes the latest New Yawk collapse.
Pepitone
September 20th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
GB7, what did I tell ya -
Matt
September 20th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
What a ridiculous statement. I’m a Red Sox fan? Because I don’t believe everything is going well in Yankeeland when they have lost 4 games off their 9 game lead in a week? If that makes me a Red Sox fan, then most of NY must be Red Sox fans.
I’m most certainly not a Red Sox fan, and calling me such is pretty stupid.
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Ya gotta admit, the kid is consistent.
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Yeah, but, that’s like saying that Joe Pep would have a new gamer for every road trip. You know it was gonna happen.
GB7-
Why is the goat lab project so secret and how many goats did you stare at at fort bragg??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..eature=pyv
I think Girardi started worrying too much about resting players and they got complacent. Joba really is looking like garbage, and this team looks more like they did in the beginning of the season – like when they lost the series to Nationals.
Joba may not make the post season roster, and honestly, I wouldn’t trust him to pitch as either a starter or a reliever.
This game was over in the second inning for pete’s sake. And there was no feeling that they were going to amp it up and get anything done… and they didn’t.
I hope they don’t celebrate clinching the post season, then find out they lose the division and have nothing to celebrate. Maybe that will re-light the fire under them.
GB7-
Why is the goat lab project so secret and how many goats did you stare at at fort bragg??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....eature=pyv
A good effort Tuesday from Gaudin and he puts himself in the mix for the postseason. Think Pettitte’s start tomorrow is important?? The Yankees must play better in Anaheim, this time around.
baseballfab
September 20th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
We lose 2 out of three to the Angels, and the lead will be 2 games going into the Sox series.
2 games?
This choke job could equal 2004.
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You do know the Red Sox do not just magically gain ground when the Yankees lose. They have to win to. Its as if the Red Sox have never lost a game this year, but of course they are so good that they will not lose a game the rest of the season.
Are the Yankees doing rookie hazing today?
Great question from Kim:
“When you say it was all working, but you give up seven runs, how was that working in your mind?”
I think she was as surprised as the rest of us
Kim: What wasn’t working today?
Joba: Everything was working. If you take back 2 pitches maybe things would be different.
He just doesn’t get it.
Based on his post-game comments, Joba’s selling snake oil. Someone ought to tell him that even if you hang a horse sign on a cow, it’s still a cow.
joba contradicts himself in his postgames all the time….he says he was embarassing out there and that hes needs to be better, that he let his team down…but then he says he made good pitches and you cant do anything about that…and that everything was working…i pray that this offseason changes joba and he comes back stronger (phsyically and mentally) next year
he is basically…..retarded.
It’s called, “Being in Denial”.
Yankee44 September 20th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Great question from Kim:
“When you say it was all working, but you give up seven runs, how was that working in your mind?”
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WOW!
Usually Kim just toes the company line with her fluff and superficial questions, but I guess being on the verge of collapse has shaken her and made her angry enough to get into a player’s face.
Maybe they should make him watch the 1st 3 innings of the game on video. His pitches were up, straight and right over the plate. Every pitch except one was hit hard for a reason, location. I don’t get how his comments could be soo all over the place.
Wow, the kid isn’t all right. He almost said that it was a great start, before he caught himself. He’s not concerned.
You know he reminds me of? The stereotypical little chihuahua yipping around the heels of the big dogs.
Whoops, that should have read “You know what he reminds me of?”
When one turns back the clock on Yankee history some 15-20 years in the future, Joba will just be a blip on the screen…a “phenom” who just didn’t work out.
Everything was working fine for Joba? Oh boy, you would never guess that after giving up all those runs. I wonder how bad he will be when hes able to say things “arent” working?
What did Girardi say about Joba’s pitching? I changed the channel and must of missed it. Is Pel around for the audio?
Yanks are 4-5 in the last 9 games, and now comes Hell’s Angels.
The bigger problems is the streaking red sox refuse to lose, going 11-1 is their last 12 games.
Who cares what Chamberlain or anybody else said in the post games? It’s over for today…it was a loss. They play tomorrow night and they still have the lead. That’s all I care about. That and watching the Pat-Riots becoming road kill.
jennifer
September 20th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Are the Yankees doing rookie hazing today?
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Yes they are. And Mark Melancon is batman! Curious what the others are.
RalphieD (OPPC)
September 20th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
joba contradicts himself in his postgames all the time….he says he was embarassing out there and that hes needs to be better, that he let his team down…but then he says he made good pitches and you cant do anything about that…and that everything was working…i pray that this offseason changes joba and he comes back stronger (phsyically and mentally) next year
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What is the problem, here?
What exactly are you scouring for in these all-important sound bites from Chamberlain?
You’ve already been told the kid has a hitch in his delivery, that his problems are mechanical in origin. You can accept the explanation or not – the fact is, Joba isn’t a pitching coach, he’s not an executive, he’s a player who gets asked the same questions after each and every abbreviated outing.
If the writers, who just watched the game, have no clue why he blew up today (and I can’t speculate, since I was at the Jets’ game), it’s not incumbent upon the player to paint a pitching-by-numbers narrative for their stories.
He said he was embarrassed, he said it was a pitch here and there, he’s not going to stand there and go through his motion for them and explain what’s going awry.
The stupid dwelling on what the player has to say is just a fool’s errand – it is completely irrelevant. The player is not going to share his insight or private bafflement with Pete and Tyler Kepner. Certainly not in a post-game format, if at all.
Be prepared for Joe to say how good Joba’s stuff was.As usual he leaves the over stuff jerk in to bury the team.Going into LA with this crappy pitching.
I am now fully in agreement with everybody who wanted to keep Joba in the pen. He does not have the talent or consistency to be a starter at this level. His location is completely below average and he does not seem to have a feel for pitching as some other young pitchers do. Bottom line is that he’s more of a thrower and his future is probably better off as a SU or CL.
PatM.
I like the over 44.5. I believe that there will be very little defense played in this game. IMO
Congrats on a great day. I just played the over myself.
Good weekend all the way around.
-dennis
If CC pitches on 3 days rest in one game in the ALCS and the Yankees go all the way, they will NEED a 4th starter for only one game in the entire postseason (in game 4 of the WS)
I say worry about that if we get there.
GreenBeret7
September 20th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Who cares what Chamberlain or anybody else said in the post games? It’s over for today…it was a loss. They play tomorrow night and they still have the lead. That’s all I care about. That and watching the Pat-Riots becoming road kill.
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I missed this, because I was composing my own rant on the subject.
YES! WHO CARES???
It’s one thing to have an interest or curiosity in what a player has to say – it’s another thing to demand the player’s comments reflect the spectator’s experience of the player’s performance – or leaping to the conclusion that the player has some sort of mental issue if the comments don’t reflect it.
Frankly – dumb, dumb, dumb. And irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant.
To the poster posing as Yankee Collapse: is that you, Jim?
Only thing consistent from Joba lately is the praise he gives himself in post-game interviews…
Hey I hope the junkees get it together? This really is starting to look like a collapse!
Did anyone see Girardi’s post game?
Christina, I just read your piece on Pete’s departure…..A real nice and insightful piece…….Matt,I know it’s a school night and curfew is near, however if the Yanks offense is so unpredictable, how in the world are they 40 games over .500 and still sporting the best record in baseball ???? These are real ballplayers & not some electronic video baseball game that you most likely played rather than getting on a diamond and playing the real thing…….
random reader
September 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
To the poster posing as Yankee Collapse: is that you, Jim?
Only thing consistent from Joba lately is the praise he gives himself in post-game interviews…
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You mean the random comments he makes, just to get the microphone out of his face?
GOD, those comments are just SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO crucial. Why even watch the games – just go to the comments, so you can come on here and play junior psychologist.
the 1998 yankees went 18-16 in september. this team is 12-7.
the 1998 team had every fifth game started by “fat toad” hideki irabu
lets just keep this in mind…one of the main differences between 1998 and 2009 is the relative strength of the division. The 1998 sox finished 22 games back despite winning 92 games. This is still the best team in baseball, and they are not going to collapse. They just need to take one game against Boston.
People have a tendency to assume the worst or the best right away…just let it play itself out. they are nowhere near a collapse yet, its just that they played .750 for such a long time that it’s a shock when they come down a notch.
So because they did it other times during the season means they are automatically able to do it now?
Is it their god given right to win the World Series just because they’re the Yankees and they have won 26 in the past?
Your arguments are logically ridiculous.
I state facts. They have not scored consistently in the last 9 games. Whether you face to accept that or live in your dream world where the Yankees score 10 runs a night is irrelevant. They have slumped before, and they are certainly capable of slumping again. If you can’t accept that, that’s your problem, and not mine.
If you don’t beat mediocre teams, that only makes the job harder when you have to beat the good ones. If they step up and take 2/3 from the Angels and Red Sox that would put the division to rest and would be a nice show of urgency, but if they keep losing games in the ways they have done lately, I’m sorry, but it’s definitely NOT over and they better start playing as such.
From Tyler Kepner:
“In Chamberlain’s last eight starts, he is 0-4 with an 8.42 earned run average. Opponents are hitting .331 in those games. If the Yankees need a fourth starter in the postseason, the safer choice at this point could be Chad Gaudin.”
I would leave Joba off the playoff roster entirely at this point. Add Mitre before Joba who has done nothing to earn it.
Agree w/BFARBS.
I can’t respect comments that the Yankees are on the verge of a collapse.
The reason the Yankees are 40 games over is because they have stoppers. If they hadn’t any, they’d be vulnerable to the kind of long slump that would singularly make blowing the division possible.
Not only are these people predicting their demise paranoid – they don’t even seem to know the composition of their own team.
yes able
Green Beret
Me pretending to be a Red Sox fan?
Is that a conspiracy?
Were you masquerading as a Green Beret while you were suc-king on the Viet-cong Co-ck?
Was that because you could never be a marine?
if Yankees go 6-6 next 12…Boston will have to go 12-2 just to tie for the division.
Okay fine.
This is the typica outlook of the average commenter on this blog:
Yankees will go 3-9 the rest of the year. all teams just midlessly submit to the red sox btu step up for the yankees- its all a nationwide scheme to asbotage the yankees. the media hates us, other teams hate us, and would deliberately play worse against the sox just to ruin it for us. the sox are going 11-1 the rest of the way and blow past us in the division after they sweep us. the yankees will never win a single game in anaheim ever, and playing them in the first round is a guarenteed sweep.
joba should not even be a major league pitcher, and how can they expect to win when brett gardner doesnt play every day.
WAKE THE BLEEP UP
THIS IS THE BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL. THEYVE SLUMPED BEFORE BUT THEY ARE AS GOOD AS THEIR RECORD. Considering they won 89 ganes all of last year, theyre still in great shape.
Whoever’s trying to imitate me is going to look pretty ridiculous when it gets them in trouble. Pretty obvious that it is not my style of posting, and whoever is dumb enough to think anyone would fall for it is pretty immature.
Matt,
You really need to move on, now. That was a despicable post.
You seriously need to be perma-banned.
Also, when Carsten Charles Sabathia and Andrew Eugene Pettitte toe the slab, you can forget about extended slumps
now, the LAA series is really important…..
beat them!
Wow, I guess I was wrong. I guess you prove my point when you believe that a post like that is actually from me. Of course, what’s funny is that the person trying to imitate me posted in a clearly distinguishable posting style that gives away who it is.
THIS IS THE BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL. THEYVE SLUMPED BEFORE BUT THEY ARE AS GOOD AS THEIR RECORD. Considering they won 89 ganes all of last year, theyre still in great shape.
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That’s the thing – people are behaving as if they’ve been playing way over their heads or something.
LOOK AT THE ROSTER.
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
September 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
GreenBeret7
September 20th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Who cares what Chamberlain or anybody else said in the post games? It’s over for today…it was a loss. They play tomorrow night and they still have the lead. That’s all I care about. That and watching the Pat-Riots becoming road kill.
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I missed this, because I was composing my own rant on the subject.
YES! WHO CARES???
It’s one thing to have an interest or curiosity in what a player has to say – it’s another thing to demand the player’s comments reflect the spectator’s experience of the player’s performance – or leaping to the conclusion that the player has some sort of mental issue if the comments don’t reflect it.
Frankly – dumb, dumb, dumb. And irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant.
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In Chamberlain’s case today, everything was pretty obvious. He came out with the big fastball that has been missing in the earlier games during thist couple of innings. At times, the the curve and change-up were very good. What was missing was consistency. He couldn’t throw the same pitch in back to back spots.
The question is…”Will he ever be what he should be?” It’s hard to say, but, he’s going through the same problems that Ron Guidry went through that almost got him traded to the White Sox for a minor league pitcher that never got out of low a ball. The difference is that Chamberlain is trying to learn in the toughest spot of all…in NY and on a perennial post season team. It only took Guidry 5 years in the minors and even then, it turned out to be a 5 minute class with Sparky Lyle that turned him into RON GUIDRY.
I listen to some post games and other times I don’t. You know exactly what same boring questions are going to be asked each player and the same boring responses from each player.
Matt17 September 20th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
if Yankees go 6-6 next 12…Boston will have to go 12-2 just to tie for the division.
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the math is a lot easier than that.
The yanks’ lead in the loss column has shrank to merely 4 games.
Based on history, the Yanks will lose atleast 2 games in Anaheim, perhaps all three.
That means going into the weekend series versus the Sox, the Yanks will only have a 1 to 2 game lead. If the Sox take 2 out of 3 then they’re either tied or 1 game out with a week left to play.
Ledger_Yankees: Ramiro Pena was “catwoman.” Jeter said he looked like “Like Halle Berry, man.” Clearly the captain needs a trip to Lens Crafters. –Carig
11 minutes ago from TweetDeck
Take it up with the blogmaster.
I’m certainly not going to fuel your apparent narcissism by playing detective on what is and what is not someone’s syntactical style.
I’m the first one off this board when the discussion shifts to “the real” or “fake” SJ44, GF, m, etc.
Whoever composed that post needs to be banished forever.
BryanHoch: Seeing Ramiro Pena as Catwoman was just disturbing. Derek Jeter said he looked like Halle Berry. I beg to differ.
during ***first*** couple of
Did anyone hear the postgame? This clown Chamberlain is dilusional? Yes, he said he let his team down, but still thinks he pitched ok. He wanted to have two pitches back. How many times do we have to hear this crap.Where is the Yankee brass or his manager to crucify him like they did when Kennedy made the same type of comments? Do you want to straighten out this punk? Leave him OFF the roster for the ALDS. Enough is enough.
picture of the dress up from Bryan Hoch’s twitter:
http://twitpic.com/iiqjz
Bryan Hoch: http://twitpic.com/iiqjz Yankees rookies dress up
2 minutes ago from TweetDeck
The only reason people expect so much out of Joba is because he was brought up first as a reliever and dominated. If not for that, people would have much more tolerance for him. It is not possible to sustain that 98 mph fastball over the course of a whole start, and he will get hit more once teams start to get good looks at him. JOba was able to be a thrower in 2007, now he must become a pitcher.
Let’s not forget this too: even if the yankees lead shrinks, they finish the season against Kansas City and Tampa Bay, both very very beatable teams.
Tom Brady really sucked, today.
I blame Giselle.
Matt
You are right. I smooched it all night long because I could do nothing else in the army.
I did however cheat them out of a pension of which I did not earn.
There is no doubt that the Yankees will be in the post season. I just think that Girardi started resting players a little too early. Maybe that is by design, knowing that the heat being turned up may help them to play hot through the end of the regular season and into the post season.
The Yankees playing, lately, seems to look more like they are playing down to the level of competition rather than keeping the foot on the gas (so to speak).
Maybe the Batman theme of humiliating the rookies will bring out the dark knight in them.
There is one good thing, Joba isn’t pitching in the Angel’s series. The Yankees, even just for piece of mind, need to take the series.
That will be an important way to close out the regular season.
Yankee Collapse
September 20th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Tom Brady really sucked, today.
I blame Giselle.
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Not at all.
Chris Jenkins is merely God – and the rest of the Jets defense follows.
pat
September 20th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Bryan Hoch: http://twitpic.com/iiqjz Yankees rookies dress up
2 minutes ago from TweetDeck
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Cervelli should have done the “Batgirl” part. Picking Alfred, aunt Harriet, Chief O’Hara and Commissioner Gordon would have taken imagination. Also, was this the first time that these skits brought in new to the team camera and front office types? I saw some non-players being involved in it that I hadn’t seen done before.
The Yankees keep doing a much better job at the rookie dress up than the Red Sox.
What is with the Red Sox looking to do drag outfits all the time?
I like that they went with the old TV version of batman.
When I wake up tomorrow morning and check the roster, Joba better not be on the team anymore or else …
52-Year Yankee Fan
So now what… Joba can’t be a starter, ever…
Put him in pen? Hah!
How is that Halladay trade looking now? Joba should have been a must in that trade. He is literally imploding before our eyes. It would have been mere peanuts in return for Doc.
Pretty crummy crop of rookies in dress up this yr
GB, I disagree. Joba’s comments are disturbing……he’s in serious denial. If he doesn’t think anything is wrong, then he’s not going to think anything needs to be fixed. At this point, he’s useless for this year………
Mitre? I’m not giving him props for holding the fort in a blowout. He stinks.
Though batman seems to be packing a sock or something?!
People said exactly the same thing about Edwin Jackson that they said about Joba this year
With the way Joba is pitching right now, I don’t see him doing any better in the bullpen. You don’t have mop up pitchers in the postseason.
BryanHoch: http://twitpic.com/iis9s Anthony Flynn, Mark Melancon and Ramiro Pena play Batman. Pic 2 of 2 from me. Sorry it blurred.
2 minutes ago from TweetDeck
Catsuits and bodysuits? Yuck. Help with the faces please? Halle I get, but which one is Kennedy?
GreenBeret7 September 20th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Matt
You are right. I smooched it all night long because I could do nothing else in the army.
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didn’t you stare at goats all day?
In Chamberlain’s case today, everything was pretty obvious. He came out with the big fastball that has been missing in the earlier games during thist couple of innings. At times, the the curve and change-up were very good. What was missing was consistency. He couldn’t throw the same pitch in back to back spots.
The question is…”Will he ever be what he should be?” It’s hard to say, but, he’s going through the same problems that Ron Guidry went through that almost got him traded to the White Sox for a minor league pitcher that never got out of low a ball. The difference is that Chamberlain is trying to learn in the toughest spot of all…in NY and on a perennial post season team. It only took Guidry 5 years in the minors and even then, it turned out to be a 5 minute class with Sparky Lyle that turned him into RON GUIDRY.
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Thanks GB7, for putting Joba’s performance today in some tangible frame of reference for me.
Yours in one of the only posts on here that have actually adressed the actual pitching performance, and some of the knee-jerk people on here should re-read it, as it lends some historical perspective with the Guidry comparison.
Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to tape the game because I was taping the Jet game I was at (since the Yanks provide replays, and the Jets don’t). I’ll watch Encore to see for myself, although I know they’ll just cut out most of the unplesantness, as is YES’s way. But I’ll watch the edited version as it’s better than nothing.
The Yankees should be making some serious coin off Dallas Stadium. 111,000 in the house tonight.
Come on Giants, kick some Cowboy butt! Kick off next!
GO OSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn’t trade away Joba. This year he just isn’t showing much though, and shouldn’t make the post season roster. Leave him off, maybe that will help him realize that it isn’t just a couple of mistakes, giving up tons of runs all the time point to him not doing well.
If Joba came out today and said “I really stunk today” then I would feel more comfortable about him.
who had the worst weekend: USC, Tom Brady, or the Yankees?
Bodhistattva….When I was watching the Jet swarming defense as they attacked Tom Brady from everywhere, it reminded me of Tex’s dad’s 4-6 box defense that the Chicago Bears ran that punished QB’s in 1984……Very impressive performance ESPECIALLY vs The NE Patriots……I’ll never rag on Tom Brady, he’s a special player….He’s the NFL’s version of Derek Jeter, a Class act….
If there is a reason to wish that teams didn’t bother with postgame coverage, its the armchair pyscho-analysis and parsing of every single word thats said by a player in them.
Its pointless.
Ravens did pretty well. That was a good game against San Diego. Close
at least Pats lost today.LOL
GB
I think Dana Cavaleri (conditioning coach) was involved in playing dress up his first year.
m
Robin is wearing boxer/brief or Spanx under his tights. Not a good look either way.
Again, leave Joba off the playoff roster. He believes everything is owed to him at this point. That’s partly the Yankees fault.
And yes, his comments DO matter. Whether you like it or not, that’s part of the job of a major leaguer — to be a stand up guy with the media about stinking after the game.
Sorry if you some of you guys still don’t get that or flat out disagree about what the game of baseball is in America. It’s billed as “entertainment” and that’s part of the job description.
where is the insight on this blog?
where is SJ when we need him/her?
is it a coincidence (s)he and pete are nowhere to be seen?
are they one and the same?
who is the (wo)man behind the curtain?
Betsy
September 20th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
GB, I disagree. Joba’s comments are disturbing……he’s in serious denial. If he doesn’t think anything is wrong, then he’s not going to think anything needs to be fixed. At this point, he’s useless for this year………
Mitre? I’m not giving him props for holding the fort in a blowout. He stinks.
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Betsy,
But why assume that Joba is in denial? You’re making a huge assumption that his comments to the media are a true reflection of how he feels about his pitching. He did not say that nothing needs to be fixed, by the way. In fact, he made some reference to “this is going to go on for a while (can’t remember the exact quote, since I really don’t hang onto his every word) which means, I’m going to be in the lab for a while, folks, get used to it.
I mean, if people want to micro-focus on a start-to-start basis, that’s fine; but confine it to the pitching itself, not Joba’s deliberate boiler-plate stuff he’s shoveling to the media. I don’t think he’s telling Eiland “Heyyyy….that was some outing there by yours truly, eh coach?”
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
September 20th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Thanks GB7, for putting Joba’s performance today in some tangible frame of reference for me.
Yours in one of the only posts on here that have actually adressed the actual pitching performance, and some of the knee-jerk people on here should re-read it, as it lends some historical perspective with the Guidry comparison.
Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to tape the game because I was taping the Jet game I was at (since the Yanks provide replays, and the Jets don’t). I’ll watch Encore to see for myself, although I know they’ll just cut out most of the unplesantness, as is YES’s way. But I’ll watch the edited version as it’s better than nothing.
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Bod, there’s a lot to compare with Guidry and Chamberlain. Guidry was a big pitching pick during his time, but, as good as he should have been earlier, something just didn’t click. From time to time, he was thought of as a bit of a problem child, but, God….what an arm. Martin sent him to the pen in ’77 spring training and told him in front of everyone, “If you see a player that you think you can get out, let me know.” Lyle was so POed that he went with Guidry to the pen and Lyle showed him how he held his slider. They worked for about 5 minutes on it, and Lyle told Guidry that he was on his own and to work with the catcher, throwing nothing but sliders and to shove that curve ball. Lyle went back two innings later and watcged Guidry throw 5 straight. Lyle threw his hands up and said, There’s nothing else that I can teach you.” Lyle said the pitches were better than his or Carlton’s. Lyle went to Martin and told him to get Guidry in the game now. Two perfect innings and 6 strikeouts against the white sox middle of the order.
Martin was so upset, because he thought he was finally rid of Guidry, Guidry didn’t get his first start until the end of April. 5 complete game shutouts and 16 wins and Ron Guidry was born.
Bush is at the Giants-Cowboys game sitting next to Madden. Go G-men.