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Pettitte feels fine; Yanks not so much

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Podcast on Sep 22, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Let’s start out with the good news, and indeed it is good news.

Andy Pettitte went six innings, threw 91 pitches and said his left shoulder felt good. His health is of paramount concern as the Yankees prepare for the postseason.

Now for the bad news. The Yankees have lost six of 10 and are stumbling around a bit. I’m sure those inclined to panic are lining up at assorted bridges and tall buildings. But the Yankees will wrap up a playoff spot and the division soon enough.

But home field is a serious concern. The Angels trail the Yankees by 4.5 games for the best record in the American League and there are two more games left in this series. The Yankees are running Chad Gaudin and A.J. Burnett out there the next two days. If Anaheim sweeps, the Yankees have some issues.

The Yankees are 5-18 at Angels Stadium in the last five seasons and 0-4 this season, getting outscored 34-20. They simply don’t play well here and have not for years.

If the Yankees play the Angels in the ALCS, I think the team with home field wins. It’s that simple.

Meanwhile, Dave Robertson looks better and better with every day that passes, doesn’t he? With Robertson out, Joe Girardi went to Brian Bruney in the seventh inning and he gave up a home run to Kendry Morales that just seconds ago passed over Brazil.

Bruney said his mechanics were improved and that he “wasn’t aggressive enough” with the pitch to Morales. Meanwhile he has allowed 28 hits — six of them home runs — and 15 walks in his last 21.1 innings.

Jonathan Albaladejo came out for the eighth inning and he, too, gave up a run. Shocker.

Girardi manages his bullpen a lot like Joe Torre did. You have relievers who pitch with leads or when the score is tied and relievers who pitch when the team is losing.

The “winning” relievers are Rivera, Hughes, Aceves, Robertson and Coke.

The “losing” relievers are Bruney, Mitre, Towers and the assorted September call-ups like Albaladejo.

The difference is that Girardi allows more guys into the circle of trust than Torre ever did, which cuts down on visits to see Dr. Andrews. But every manager has basically two pools of relievers.

Here is Girardi talking about the game and his use of the bullpen:

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Thanks to everybody for reading today. Back at it tomorrow.

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133 Responses to “Pettitte feels fine; Yanks not so much”

  1. stuart September 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 am

    Peters eval of how these guys use the pen is accurate. of course losing a game 3 to 1 should be treated differently then losing a game 8 to 1 but heck with logic…………..

    bruney is like joba these clowns are in denial and deserve not to be on the post season roster. IF it is tru what SJ said that joba came to camp out of shape and that is part of his problem that is a disgrace……..

    joba’s post game comments are right from the russian gulag or baghadad bob for there lack of reality………

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  3. yanks kiddd September 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 am

    terrible night! my phins blow it and the yanks lose too :(

  4. m September 22nd, 2009 at 1:54 am

    repost:

    Oh, what a day. What a week. Whatever malaise this team is in, I’d wish they’d snap out of it. I wonder if this has anything to do with Mo’s blown save? They went into a funk the last time, too. (just kidding for the most part)

    I don’t know what part of Saunders screams Felix Hernandez or Josh Beckett approach should be taken. I would’ve liked to see the Yankees be a little more patient, and get a good pitch to hit. And I definitely would like to have seen more of that Angel bullpen.

    But thank goodness 1000x that the Red Sox collapsed tonight (doesn’t that have a nice ring to it?). Otherwise there would be panic in the streets (and rightfully so). The Sox bought us another day on the calendar.

    Didn’t watch the whole game, but it was nice to see Andy bear down a bit there. Got no issues of taking him out after only 6 innings, since he had shoulder fatigue the last couple of weeks.

    Bruney. That may have been the last straw. I wouldn’t object to him being on any post-season roster, as long as we don’t see him. But why not give his spot to Guzman?

    That would allow us to start Gardner with/or in lieu of Cabrera.

    Cabrera’s the better hitter, but Gardner brings his own skill set, too.

    Finally, game on the line? Title on the line? You going to let Cano hit? Or bring someone off the bench to pinch hit? 99 times out of a 100 you say let Cano swing away. But it hurts when he’s the last out. It shouldn’t be that way, but it’s more and more apparent that his RISP average is a glaring hole in his game.

    Oh, Ca-no!

  5. Lou in SoCal September 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 am

    Yeah! Thanks Yankees. I had a lot of fun tonight in Anaheim at the Stadium that the Ralley Monkey built. Getting popcorn thrown at me and being told the Yankees Suck. Soooo much fun. But it is good to see Andy is healthy. Oh and I think the Marlins have more WS Rings than the Angles.

  6. 100 pitches of fun... September 22nd, 2009 at 1:58 am

    Girardi needs to play that days game to win and don’t worry about the next day. Use who ever you need to use to win. Who knows tomorrow they could be up 8-1 or down by 8 and then you won’t need those guys you were saving.

  7. Nick von Clausewitz in SF September 22nd, 2009 at 2:27 am

    We can still clinch the division on Sunday vs. the Sox — or earlier. Otherwise, it will likely come at home vs. Kansas City of Missouri.

    This is no time to get wobbly.

  8. Pat M. September 22nd, 2009 at 3:00 am

    My record for 2009 viewing the NY Yankees……0-6…..To recap, 0-4 @ Anahiem, 0-1 @ Seattle, 0-1 @ Oakland…..In fact I’m on a 10 game losing streak dating back to the last 2 games last season at The Stadium, and 0-1 @ Anahiem…The last game I witnessed a win was at Anahiem when Aceives made his MLB debut vs. The Angels….Yanks promptly lost the next evening and it’s been The Washington Nationals ever since…….

  9. Chico Harris September 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 am

    God is making me pay for the Ole Miss Rebels being the #4 football team in the United States by having the Yankees play in Anaheim.

  10. JeterJobaCanoFanForever, enough said September 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 am

    Pat M.

    I believe there might be a collection being taken to keep you away from future Yankee games. LOL. That is quite a record for you.

    Way back when the family were Oriole fans every game we took my son-in-law, the team lost. We actually ended up leaving him at home. He didn’t care as he was not a fan of baseball. Can you imagine that? They later divorced.

  11. Paco Dooley September 22nd, 2009 at 5:14 am

    I am more concerned about this team regaining the momentum that they had a week or two ago than them clinching a playoff spot. There have been those Yankees teams that stumbled into the postseason only to get it together again, but it’s more likely that they will exit early if they cannot get some momentum back (that short first series is a scary one if you are not hot!).

  12. Wang IS Taiwan September 22nd, 2009 at 5:26 am

    Nice post, m! I agree with ya.

  13. Yeah September 22nd, 2009 at 5:47 am

    “But the Yankees will wrap up a playoff spot and the division soon enough.

    “But home field is a serious concern.”

    Those statements are not consistent. I mean, the Angels, down 4 1/2 with two games left against the Yankees, have a decent shot at home field, but the Red Sox, down five with three more against the Yanks, don’t have any shot at the division? Please.

    With Burnett totally unreliable, Pettitte old and battered, Sabathia overworked, and Chamberlain simply awful, not to mention, the Yanks’ record being five games better than expected given their run differential, this is shaping up to be yet another disappointing year.

    They’ll make the playoffs, but I doubt they can beat Detroit or Anaheim in the first round. Minnesota, maybe.

  14. k September 22nd, 2009 at 5:49 am

    The “winning” relievers are Rivera, Hughes, Aceves, Robertson and Coke.

    The “losing” relievers are Bruney, Mitre, Towers and the assorted September call-ups like Albaladejo.

    Based on the above, common sense tells me the losing relievers have no business pitching in a must win game or an game.

    I understand they will not win them all, but winning a few in September would be nice.

  15. Yeah September 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 am

    To clarify: If the Yankees go 4-7 the rest of the way, and the Red Sox go 10-3 — not a terribly unlikely scenario — the Yanks will lose the division.

  16. Art September 22nd, 2009 at 6:31 am

    Yeah –

    Geez, the Red Sox can’t even protect a 5 run lead — you’re expecting them to go 10-3 the rest of the way?

  17. Alias September 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 am

    What is the Yankees magic number to clinch home field advantage?

  18. andrew33 September 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 am

    The papers have the magic # for home field advantage at 8, same as the division …

  19. Paul from Cali September 22nd, 2009 at 7:09 am

    It doesn’t matter what the Yankees clinch or don’t clinch. They won’t make it out of the American League, if they even win their 1st round series. Kills me to say that as a Yankee fan of over 30 years, but they don’t have the pitching and they have a terrible manager.

  20. Johnny D. September 22nd, 2009 at 7:10 am

    Bruney sucks. Not aggressive enough?? When are you saving your stuff for? These guys are morons.

  21. xoxo September 22nd, 2009 at 7:17 am

    KC has Zack Greinke (14-8,2.14) on the mound against Paul Byrd(1-1,5.79)GREAT news!

    Thanks to the terrible rain in,Missouri last night,that’s suppose to continue today also.

  22. jimmy1138 September 22nd, 2009 at 7:24 am

    And if the Red Sox catch the Yankees? The Yankees could play the Angels with the guys from Anaheim having home field advantage despite having a worse record…

  23. Pov September 22nd, 2009 at 7:29 am

    Yanks aren’t playing very good baseball right now. Cano is really struggling with RISP, they don’t throw him any good pitches because they know he will go after the bad ones. Girardi bringing in Bruney last night in a tight game playing the team right behind you wasn’t the right decision. At this rate there may not be much of a lead after the weekend.

    If the team can’t get back to where they were it’s going to be another early exit again this year.

  24. Pov September 22nd, 2009 at 7:31 am

    jimmy1138 September 22nd, 2009 at 7:24 am

    And if the Red Sox catch the Yankees? The Yankees could play the Angels with the guys from Anaheim having home field advantage despite having a worse record…

    Exactly that is why I don’t understand these comments from folks just being happy to make the playoff’s and dismissing the Division and Home Field as not important. Someone the other night said there is no advantage to having home field?????

  25. Richard C September 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 am

    The Yankees are in a slump. Streaks and slumps are a natural phenomenon. Its simply how the energy is moving. If they worry about their slump and consider it a problem it will be prolonged.

    I am actually very happy they are slumping now in late September because it means they will be hot, the energy will be moving, in October.

    They, my Yankees, will do very well in October.

    Believe.

  26. M.K.J. September 22nd, 2009 at 7:34 am

    -Paul

    correct,and Joe should go too! In a 2 run game he threw in the towel(Bruney and company.)

    Saunders went 8 innings against the team with the best record in baseball.

    When the contagious disease, “can’t~hit~i~tus” or “can’t~score~i~tus,” strikes the whole team, at the same time,they their doomed for a short postseason.

  27. Pov September 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 am

    Richard C September 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 am

    The Yankees are in a slump. Streaks and slumps are a natural phenomenon. Its simply how the energy is moving. If they worry about their slump and consider it a problem it will be prolonged.

    Well they certaintly have slumped in October this decade. The pitching I think is not a slump, in my mind that is the big question mark. I agree if they can get good pitching and the bats comeback around and they do much better on RISP they can win with Homefield.

  28. M.K.J. September 22nd, 2009 at 7:43 am

    -Richard

    What are you drinking?

    These guys are handing away a huge advantage,everything in postseason going through NY!

  29. Rex September 22nd, 2009 at 7:48 am

    This fear that the Red Sox are going to catch the Yankees ignores two pretty important things. 1) The clock is running out on Boston and 2) Boston isn’t trying all that hard to win the division anyway because they know the clock is running out.

    Like the Yankees, they are resting guys and adjusting things in their rotation to set themselves up for the ALDS. If they were at all serious about making a run at the Yankees for the division, they’d throw Beckett tonight on regular rest and bring him back to pitch at NYS on Sunday. Instead, the Sunday pitcher stands to be either Wakefield or Byrd while they opt to give Beckett the extra day off.

  30. Paul from Cali September 22nd, 2009 at 7:51 am

    I will say this much, and this is for the people pointing at RISP batting…

    The Yanks are currently #2 in the league in hits with RISP, #2 in RBI with RISP, #6 in OBP with RISP, #7 in SLG with RISP, #3 in OPS with RISP, and #9 in the league in batting average with RISP (.271). Of probable playoff teams, the Yankees average with RISP is 3rd (or 4th if the Twins get in). http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t.....order/true

    So the question isn’t whether the Yankees can hit with runners in scoring position. It’s whether they can do it in the playoffs when pitching normally rules the day?

  31. Rex September 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 am

    While you never want to downplay the end result of a game, the two most important things about last night for the Yankees were 1) that Andy Pettitte came back and pitched effectively and 2) that he felt fine after doing so.

  32. Ruhi Cant September 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 am

    Wait…. The Angles might catch the Yanks for best record…. But the Sox won’t catch the division?? How does that make sense?

  33. Ray Clark September 22nd, 2009 at 7:53 am

    Many thanks to the KC Royals.

    Have the Yankees had the closed door meeting yet.

    That always seems to turn things around.

  34. jpb1973 September 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 am

    I see that Cuban defect Aroldis Chapman has petitioned MLB for free agency. He has established residency in Andorra could be available soon.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4491904

    If the Yankees can sign Chapman early in the offseason they should put together a package of Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Mark Melacon, Edwuardo Nunez, Jorge Vazquez and Austin Jackson to acquire King Felix from Seattle. Then sign Jose Valverde as a free agent to be the 8th inning guy.

    That would give us a starting rotation of CC, AJ, King Felix, Pettite and Gaudin (or Ian Kennedy) for one year. In 2011, Pettitte would retire and either Chapman would be ready or Wang would return.

    Lets go for it!!!

  35. M.K.J. September 22nd, 2009 at 7:57 am

    -Paul
    the question was never IF the Yankees could hit,RISP.
    It is if,C A N O ,could he”s lousy,look that stat up!!

  36. Ray Clark September 22nd, 2009 at 7:59 am

    I heard talk about this kid Chapman yesterday. Sounds like quite a heater. But the talk also spoke about raw talent. Is he major league ready?

  37. upstate kate September 22nd, 2009 at 8:00 am

    KC has Greinke pitching tonight vs Byrd, that match up has potential.

  38. jpb1973 September 22nd, 2009 at 8:04 am

    I heard talk about this kid Chapman yesterday. Sounds like quite a heater. But the talk also spoke about raw talent. Is he major league ready?

    —————————————————-

    No, he’s a year or two away. He’s inconsistent and needs work on his mechanics. But he has great potential. If we can sign him early in the offseason it would allow us to put together a package for an established starter and have Chapman ready when Pettite retires.

  39. Rex September 22nd, 2009 at 8:09 am

    “I heard talk about this kid Chapman yesterday. Sounds like quite a heater. But the talk also spoke about raw talent. Is he major league ready?”

    Consensus seems to be NO at this point. Lot of talent, but it’s raw talent. A year or so of seasoning/coaching in the minors should have him ready. Saw him pitch in the WBC. Big arm, but also seemed to have the proverbial $.05 head. Seemed to lack maturity.

  40. Ray Clark September 22nd, 2009 at 8:11 am

    Contreras light?

  41. Rex September 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 am

    “Contreras light?”

    No. This guy is thought to have high end of the rotation potential, which if realized, would make him a far superior pitcher to Contreras.

  42. Doreen September 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 am

    I can’t see how Bruney gets any more high leverage situations again. Girardi still considers Bruney a borderline high leverage guy, which is why he was put into the game at 3-1 deficit. Yet another chance to show he’s “back;” yet another failure. I do not think Joe was throwing in the towel at that point. Albaladejo is who he is, and at that point, yes, back end of the bullpen, let’s not waste a guy.

    You know that Gaudin won’t give much more than 5-6 innings tonight. I can’t fault Girardi for holding back Aceves for the “piggyback.”

    I’m relieved that Pettitte is healthy. I’m relieved the Red Sox coughed up 6-0 and 8-2 leads. Believe it or not, they are not invincible.

    The offense will come around. They haven’t slumped since, what? Early July? There is enough time to rebound and it will come in the nick of time.

    They will be in the playoffs. They will probably win the division. HFA, we’ll see after the next two games. But I’m still not ready to write off an ALCS to the Angels (provided botht the Yankees and Angels get there) even if the Angels have HFA. In a best of 7, the Yankees play the middle 3 at home. There is the possibility of only having to win 1 in Anaheim.

    CC, AJ and Andy pitched well in their most recent outings. I think that is good news for the playoffs.

  43. Ray Clark September 22nd, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Thank you for the info Rex

  44. jpb1973 September 22nd, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Contreras light?

    ——————————————-

    Or El Duque light…you don’t know until someone signs him. All draftees and international signees are risks…there simply isn’t a sure thing out there.

    But we do kinow two things:
    1. Aroldis Chapman has pitched at 100 mph at times, and
    2. The Yankees always finish too far up in the standings to draft guys like Evan Longoria and Steven Strasburg…so they must take on some risk to get potential stars.

  45. Paul from Cali September 22nd, 2009 at 8:16 am

    Cano is one player out of the whole team. If the Yankees hopes rest on the shoulders of one guy, be he Cano or ARod or Tex or Jeter or anyone else, it’s going to be a quick offseason.

  46. Betsy September 22nd, 2009 at 8:18 am

    Is it ok to criticize Joe now or do we have to say only nice things about him because the team is in first place? I went to sleep early so I missed his post-game, but is he serious? He doesn’t want to use Ace unless they are winning? When exactly did he decide that? Aceves was used all the time when the Yankees were losing – he was there to hold the fort and give the Yankees a chance to come back. No, he’d rather see Bruney and co. put the game away? That’s a joke……He’s got a team that seriously needs to win some games here and he’s managing like it’s April instead of late September. It’s the same lack of urgency we saw last year when he sat Damon in Minnesota, when the Yankees needed every win they could get.

  47. cashman needs to go September 22nd, 2009 at 8:20 am

    looks like the yankees (and their bats) are rounding into postseason form….rivera blows a save (see 2001 & 2004), bats go quietly (Ian bleeping Snell – come on now), playing like chumps last night… if anyone is taking solace that the redsox lost last night you’re just kidding yourselves…
    they won’t make it out of the alds – just like the last 3 out of 4 years…
    and why play molina? is he going to play against the angels if the meet in the alcs? i don’t think so….play your bleeping best players (hello matsui)so you can have HFA and at least have a slim chance to beat the angels (or redsox)

  48. Betsy September 22nd, 2009 at 8:20 am

    M, there is no way Cano is getting pinch hit for, nor should he. Let’s blame the entire offense instead of laying it on one player (I’m not directing this to you) – the whole team stank tonight.

  49. Betsy September 22nd, 2009 at 8:23 am

    Doreen, Joe may not technically be giving the games away, but he sure isn’t managing like his team needs the games. I’m really ticked off at him……….and he won’t use Ace tomorrow because the Yanks will probably be losing, lol. Forget tomorrow, he should have been in there to give the team a chance to win tonight.

  50. mark g September 22nd, 2009 at 8:25 am

    As the incomparable lou brown of the indians said,” one of these days we’ll figure out how to beat those guys”

  51. upstate kate September 22nd, 2009 at 8:26 am

    very nicely said Doreen. I am not ready to panic yet, I will wait to see the outcome of this and the Sox series.

  52. 86w183 September 22nd, 2009 at 8:26 am

    Way too much overreaction to the last ten games. A mild slump is not surprising when you consider how ridiculously hot the team had been. I do think it would be nice to get one win over the Angels before leaving town, and two would be even better but neither is crucial.

    Pete didn’t write the Sawx couldn’t catch the Yanks, he wrote that the “playoffs” would be clinched eventually.

  53. Ogie September 22nd, 2009 at 8:27 am

    Pete had the Yanks winning the World Series all year. Now he says–151 games into the season–if they lose the home field advantage to Anaheim in the ALCS their dead meat.

    My guess is he’ll have the Yanks eliminated in the ALDS by the end of the week.

  54. SJ44 September 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 am

    Good lord Betsy, do you ever not worry?

    If he used Aceves last night, and didn’t have him available tonight if needed, you would complain about that. Especially if they were winning and they needed innings from him to bridge the gap until the 8th inning.

    They actually shaved another game off the magic number AND Andy Pettitte came out of that game healthy.

    Believe it or not, that’s good news.

    Stop panicking for God sake. No team is going to play .750 ball for an entire season. The Yankees played it for 3+ months and have hit a rough patch.

    Better now than in October.

    Girardi isn’t “giving games away”. He isn’t going to overuse guys when he doesn’t have to. That’s why they are where they are in the standings right now.

    Last I checked, they had the best record in the AL. I guess that’s a bad thing around here these days.

    Just because some fans are in a constant state of panic, it doesn’t mean the manager and players need to be.

  55. The Ghost September 22nd, 2009 at 8:35 am

    I’m glad this little slump is happening. I’m curious to see how Girardi attacks it and how the team responds. The Yankees and Girardi could have easily packed it in earlier this year when nothing was going right, but they didn’t. This is just another test for them and it’s coming at the perfect time. If they pass this test then it will give them the confidence they will need to pass the multitude of gut checks they will get come October.

  56. Betsy September 22nd, 2009 at 8:38 am

    We’ll just have to disagree about Ace, SJ, and leave it there……..and as far as whether I would be complaining, I won’t go there either. Does Joe never make any bad decisions in your mind?

  57. Chico Harris September 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 am

    “They, my Yankees, will do very well in October.”

    They will do even better in November.

  58. Betsy September 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 am

    Also, I don’t buy at all the “better now than in October” theory…….as if if they slump now, it can’t happen in the playoffs. That makes no sense to me.

    LOL I’m not panicking, but sheesh – it’s ok to express a little concern about the team. Bruney in a close game? You’re happy about that? YOu’re fine with that? The Yankees got lucky that the Sox blew that game – I’m not sure what you’re point is.

  59. Fran (the original) and OPPC member September 22nd, 2009 at 8:42 am

    “CC, AJ and Andy pitched well in their most recent outings. I think that is good news for the playoffs.”

    ***********************************
    That is the most important thing to me, especially that Andy came out of last night’s game feeling good.

  60. Betsy September 22nd, 2009 at 8:43 am

    And yes….Andy pitching well and being healthy is a huge positive.

  61. Doreen September 22nd, 2009 at 8:45 am

    Betsy -

    I know it probably looks like Girardi isn’t managing to win because they’ve lost. I just don’t think that. I think they’re in a mild slump and I think he’s managing the same way he’s managed throughout the season, which has worked pretty well to now.

    It’s very disappointing to be slumping while the Red Sox are sailing. If the Sox had lost 2 or 3 games, it wouldn’t seem so dire. But the Yankees can’t control the RSox until they themselves play them.

    If AJ, CC and Andy keep it up, the Yankees will be in good shape.

    As far as the Yankees now falling out of favor, so to speak, in terms of “guaranteed” post-season success, I say, so be it. Opinions change daily, if not hourly, in that regard. Another thing not in the control of the Yankees.

    I would never want to be a major league manager. If your decisions work, you’re a genius; if they don’t, you’re an incompetent. Yet, in reality, it’s the players who have to execute, some bad decisions turn out well, and some good decisions turn out poorly.

    I’d rate the decision to use Bruney only slightly questionable, but he was put into a clean inning and didn’t do the job. Saunders was throwing strikes. 70 out of 108 pitches for strikes. Tough night. And it looks like in addition to Robbie Cano (who gets all the blame all the time), Swisher didn’t do the job last night, either, with RISP.

    I want to see the offense do a better job. Sunday’s game, after Joba put them in that hole, they didn’t look great. And I’ll trust that what others say about Saunders having a really great 2nd half is the reason last night was tough.

  62. upstate kate September 22nd, 2009 at 8:45 am

    SJ-
    what is your thought on having Molina catch last night? With Melky in a slump, it seemed like it was giving away 2 outs.

  63. RMEL September 22nd, 2009 at 8:46 am

    You have to give credit to the Royals for not just giving up…its no given we will take 2 out of 3 from them next week…That was a big loss in terms of wining the division for the RS…I still think we will win one of the last two games in LA and have a 4 1/2 lead over the Angels…I will stand by my prediction and say the yankees finish the season 101-61

  64. Doreen September 22nd, 2009 at 8:47 am

    One last thought. If Molina is not going to start any games in the playoffs against the Angels, then I do agree that he should not have been started last night. Posada didn’t really need the rest yet, right? He had a short vacation just a few days ago. And, gosh, it’s hard to lose Matsui’s bat.

  65. Bip September 22nd, 2009 at 8:48 am

    Joba needs to back to the pen, Phil stays there forever, Yanks should sign Cliff Lee next year and Matt Holliday, they will then get over the hump.

  66. RMEL September 22nd, 2009 at 8:49 am

    by the way if the yankees give Bruney a contract next year I will be shock

    Also some beat writer from the Orioles came up with a Josh Johnson trade….I think we can do better

    http://masnsports.com/2009/09/would-you.html

  67. Wang IS Taiwan September 22nd, 2009 at 8:51 am

    Doesn’t anyone remember when we went slumping into the playoffs and lost in the first round? It happens. We have done before. This “it doesn’t matter that we’re slumping” right now is nonsense.

    We need our confidence running at full-steam ahead in order to win the WS. Our pitching has a lot of holes in it.

  68. SJ44 September 22nd, 2009 at 8:53 am

    Betsy,

    when a guy is managing a team that has the best record in baseball, it’s pretty tough to criticize every decision. Especially since most have worked all year.

    Molina caught last night to help stop the running game and to give Jorge a little break since his neck is still bothering him.

  69. daver September 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 am

    Giardi’s clear mistakes from yesterday’s loss:
    - not starting Matsui — he is hot and clutch
    - starting Molina — automatic out
    - not give Gardner a start over the slumping Melky
    - Bringing Bruney in when you are only down by 2 runs

  70. 86w183 September 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 am

    Lee has an option year on his deal for less than $ 10 Million. Can’t imagine the Phillies declining that.

  71. Jeter's Edge - Pete, we need registered names and an edit button! September 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 am

    “The Yankees are 5-18 at Angels Stadium in the last five seasons and 0-4 this season, getting outscored 34-20. They simply don’t play well here and have not for years.”

    Someone PLEASE explain this to me! How does a team, who is almost completely different than the team from 2002, WITH a new manager, still struggle against the Angles who are ALSO almost a completely different team? It doesn’t make any sense to me. It can’t be in that it is in guys heads! Some of these guys have been around less than a year! Why????

  72. Coach6423 September 22nd, 2009 at 8:56 am

    They pitched Brueny and Alby last night because they are trying to get them “right”, cause believe it or not, if they are pitching well, our Bullpen becomes better. They are auditioning roles for a cpl BP spots down in the playoffs. 4.5 with 11 to play, 5 with 11 to play. Best record in playoffs, and the constant whining crap. How do some of you function day to day?

  73. Doreen September 22nd, 2009 at 8:56 am

    SJ44 -

    I didn’t know that Jorge’s neck was still an issue.

  74. SJ44 September 22nd, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Do you remember losing 15 of the last 18, 9 of them by 5 or more runs, in 2000? That team only won the World Series.

    There is mo correlation that finishing hot, or cold for that matter, will affect playoff performance.

    Go back and look at the last 9 years as proof.

    Plenty of cases of cold teams entering the playoffs winning and hot teams losing early.

  75. upstate kate September 22nd, 2009 at 8:57 am

    SJ
    It was me, not Betsy asking about Molina. I wasn’t so much criticizing as wondering what the reason was.

  76. Coach6423 September 22nd, 2009 at 8:58 am

    BTW, Molina did throw out a runner, that saved them a run in the 1st inning didnt he?? If Posada is in their, that is an extra run right off the bat. Stop criticizing every move.

  77. ANSKY September 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 am

    Going back a couple posts:

    Tiexiera for MVP.

    Jeter and Mauer have put up great numbers. In many ways, better than Tex. Jeter is also Mr Intangibles. Both are valuable and deserve votes.

    But if Tiexiera’s not here, we’re on the outside looking in come October. If I had a ballot for the award, Tex would get the first place vote.

    Yes, Jeter or Mo could get a vote. Mo’s pretty valuable too. We’ll have good reason to be worried when he finally retires. If all three ended up with some votes it wouldn’t surprise me.

  78. upstate kate September 22nd, 2009 at 9:04 am

    not criticizing, just curious and not worried about this team that has already won 95 games and has the best record in MLB :)

  79. pat September 22nd, 2009 at 9:05 am

    Girardi is getting killed for doing the same thing Torre used to get praised for- staying the course.

    It used to be seen as a huge positive for a manager to have no panic, manage the same and keep the same attitude win or lose and now it’s seen as a weakness by some?

    Not panicing and not wanting to win aren’t the same thing.

    Interesting point brought up on ESPN this morning. If the Twins and Tigers need a play in game, it should take place on the Monday after the season ends in Minny. Problem is Packers/Vikings is the Monday night football game that week and the NFL isn’t moving that. The baseball game would probably have to move to Tuesday in Minnesota and the ALDS will likely start Wednesday in NY.

    That could send someone in to face the Yankees with a full head of steam but likely they will have burned their #1 just to get there so I’m rooting for the play in game now!

  80. Wang IS Taiwan September 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 am

    But SJ look at our pitchers/team in 2000. They had playoff experience far beyond what we’re looking at now. Both AJ and Joba have fallen apart when the going gets tough for them on the mound.

    I grant you that every team is different, but our last 10 games do not inspire a lot of confidence in many of us.

  81. RMEL September 22nd, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Giardi’s biggest fault is saving Gardner to Pinch Run in close games (If that even happen at all) instead of starting him..Melky is batting .161 in his last 10 games and has one hit since 9/15….you have to play Gardner not just for his speed but for his average

  82. Rex September 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 am

    FWIW, Aceves has generally not fared at all well when coming into games with the Yankees trailing. It’s not a role he’s been asked to fill often, as he’s generally come into tie games or with the Yankees ahead, but when asked, it’s gone poorly a lot more often that it’s gone well.

    That said, I was surprised to see that on 9/22, Aceves has pitched in only three September games. In his last 4 outings, he’s been asked to get 7-9 outs. Could be Girardi is just getting him some rest so he’s fresh for October.

  83. Paul from Cali September 22nd, 2009 at 9:10 am

    @Jeter’s Edge: One constant. Mike Scioscia. He’s pretty much the only manager in the AL that manages like he’s in the NL. The Yankees are always playing station to station baseball, waiting for the 3 run homer. Scioscia manages his team to manufacture runs like crazy and the Yankees can’t seem to figure out how to overcome that.

    What scares me about Scioscia is that it seems Terry Francona is starting to copy that style with guys like Pedrioa and Elsbury (see the steal of home vs. Andy early in the year), which is why the Yankees struggled against the Sawx the first couple of series against them.

    Can the Yankees beat Detroit or Minnesota? I think they can take the Twins, but I’m not so sure about Detroit. Can they beat LA or Boston? I just don’t see it.

  84. SJ44 September 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 am

    Gardner also doesn’t hit soft tossing lefties well.

    It was a bad matchup for him with Saunders last night.

  85. vinny-b September 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 am

    “Good lord Betsy, do you ever not worry?
    If he used Aceves last night, and didn’t have him available tonight if needed, you would complain about that. Especially if they were winning and they needed innings from him to bridge the gap until the 8th inning.
    They actually shaved another game off the magic number AND Andy Pettitte came out of that game healthy.
    Believe it or not, that’s good news.
    Stop panicking for God sake. No team is going to play .750 ball for an entire season. The Yankees played it for 3+ months and have hit a rough patch.
    Better now than in October.
    Girardi isn’t “giving games away”. He isn’t going to overuse guys when he doesn’t have to. That’s why they are where they are in the standings right now.
    Last I checked, they had the best record in the AL. I guess that’s a bad thing around here these days.
    Just because some fans are in a constant state of panic, it doesn’t mean the manager and players need to be”

    SJ: thannk you. This place is not worth visiting today. With the exception of yourself, Doreen, and a couple others, everyone is in full-fledge panic mode. What a suprise. Will check the jets board today, instead. At least when that team loses, the people on the site don’t act like ungrateful spoiled brats, ready to give up on their team.

  86. Joe September 22nd, 2009 at 9:13 am

    Melky played a lot of fall ball and winter ball down in the dominican republic. Now its gotta be fatigue. Basically he has not stopped playing baseball over the past year, it seems only natural that someone would get tired with no break.

  87. pat September 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 am

    “our last 10 games do not inspire a lot of confidence in many of us.”

    Did the 50 games before that inspire confidence? You don’t usually go from contender to pretender that quick. I’ll take the larger over the smaller sample size everytime.

  88. SJ44 September 22nd, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Yeah, they have done a horrible job against the Sox the second half of the year. 6-1 is awful.

    3-1 at home against the Angels this year. Awful.

    Beat the Angels last week not playing station to station.

    But hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good panic.

  89. RMEL September 22nd, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Gardner also doesn’t hit soft tossing lefties well.

    It was a bad matchup for him with Saunders last night.

    —-

    hey I agree but its not about last nite….He should start the tonight and tomorrow against Kazmir….its the last few games…Gardner is not a pinch hitter and if you look at his stats, if given a full year and 600 ab’s he would be similar to Ellsbury and thats not too bad

  90. Rex September 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 am

    “Doesn’t anyone remember when we went slumping into the playoffs and lost in the first round?”

    Yankees were flying into the playoffs in 2006 (18-11 September, went from tied for the lead to 10 games up over last 2 months) and 2007 (56-28 from July thru Sept, 19-8 in Sept) and tanked in the playoffs.

  91. disco stu September 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Are the Yankees ever going to make a stand in Anaheim? If they win a game out there it will be because their offense has a big night and they win in a romp … big deal.

    If the game is close and late, the Yankees never win out there … I dont understand it. Boston owns the Angels, but we can’t beat them … yet, we go toe to toe with Boston and win our fair share.

  92. Amy September 22nd, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Jeez… one bad week and people are ready to throw the season under the bus? Y’all gotta chill out! Even with the losses, we’ve taken some positives… Burnett pitched very well, and Pettitte rebounded from the soreness nicely. With the second half the Yankees have had, you’d think a little slump wouldn’t be cause for mass panic … Jesus Christ we’re a spoiled bunch!

  93. Doreen September 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 am

    pat
    September 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 am
    “our last 10 games do not inspire a lot of confidence in many of us.”

    Did the 50 games before that inspire confidence? You don’t usually go from contender to pretender that quick. I’ll take the larger over the smaller sample size everytime.

    ———————————

    pat,

    I was just going to type something along the same lines. Looking at the overall picture of the season, the last 10 games is a blip.

  94. RMEL September 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 am

    Regardless I feel with CC, AJ, Andy, good Bullpen and home field it will be hard for us to just fall flat…we may get beaten but we will go down with a fight

  95. Rex September 22nd, 2009 at 9:20 am

    “Boston owns the Angels, but we can’t beat them”

    I believe Boston is 5-13 vs. the Halos in the regular season over the past couple years. Believe that ownership you speak of has been pretty much a postseason phenomenon.

  96. Doreen September 22nd, 2009 at 9:23 am

    disco stu -

    So, wait a second. You will only be happy if the Yankees beat the Angels in Anaheim in a close game? Beating them in a “romp” wouldn’t count somehow? I don’t understand that. A win is a win in my book. A loss is a loss. Any win feels good. Losses? Immediate reaction is always disappointment, but some losses have positive aspects, like last night Pettitte pitching well.

  97. Paul from Cali September 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 am

    Here’s another stat for those who think everything is sunshine and roses and the Yankees have already won the series (when is the parade again?): Andy Pettitte is 0-4 in his last 6 starts against the Angels. Sure hope we don’t have to play them in the playoffs.

  98. randy l. September 22nd, 2009 at 9:31 am

    “They actually shaved another game off the magic number AND Andy Pettitte came out of that game healthy.

    Believe it or not, that’s good news.”

    mostly all that really matters is coming up with three good starters so last night was huge.

    yeah home field advantage is nice , but that changes in one game when your starter wins the first game.

    the angels and red sox will lose games and the yankees may well back into a division title and home field advantage, but if they do this with sabathia , pettitte , and burnett pitching well , they will be in good shape for the playoffs.

    now for a good game by burnett.

  99. Coach6423 September 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 am

    How does one back into9 a division title with 95+ wins?

  100. Taylor September 22nd, 2009 at 9:41 am

    The way Torre and Girardi manage their bullpens are night and day. One is great at it and one has no idea what he’s doing.

  101. sab September 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 am

    Doreen
    September 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 am
    pat
    September 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 am
    “our last 10 games do not inspire a lot of confidence in many of us.”

    Did the 50 games before that inspire confidence? You don’t usually go from contender to pretender that quick. I’ll take the larger over the smaller sample size everytime.

    ———————————

    pat,

    I was just going to type something along the same lines. Looking at the overall picture of the season, the last 10 games is a blip.

    =========================================================
    last time i checked the ALDS and the ALCS were a 5 and 7 game series….all it takes is a “10 game blip” to go home for the winter…if the yankees can only muster 5 hits and 1 run against IAN SNELL – then what do you think they’ll do against verlander and beckett and lester and lackey (should i continue?)….they don’t have to win every game but you gotta show some fight against the scrub pitchers

  102. sab September 22nd, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Did the 50 games before that inspire confidence? You don’t usually go from contender to pretender that quick. I’ll take the larger over the smaller sample size everytime.

    =========================================================
    uumm 2004 ALCS first 3 games – contender…last 4 games pretender…
    so yes you can go from contender to pretender THAT QUICKLY…

  103. NYY626 September 22nd, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Anyone else deliriously tired at work from staying up last night? I guess I won’t be getting a good nights sleep until Thursday….

    Anyway, last night was pretty disappointing, but once the Sox lost I pretty much just took the game in stride. I am really happy that Andy looked good after the 1st inning. We need him badly in October.

  104. MG September 22nd, 2009 at 9:56 am

    those of you ready to jump bridges should become Pirates fans, I hear there are more opportunities for such jumps.

    for those of you who are actually Yankees fans, show some confidence, this team has EARNED it. 95 wins already, 15-0 when tied in the 7th inning, an enormous number of come from behind wins, walk offs, etc, etc, etc. Do you forget about ALL of that with a week of less than spectacular baseball by a team that has played it’s heart out over a very, very long season? If you do, see the above paragraph, excellent seats still remain for the final games of the season.

  105. Wang IS Taiwan September 22nd, 2009 at 10:30 am

    pat
    September 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 am
    “our last 10 games do not inspire a lot of confidence in many of us.”

    Did the 50 games before that inspire confidence? You don’t usually go from contender to pretender that quick. I’ll take the larger over the smaller sample size everytime.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    A larger sample is great. I’m a big believer in using statistics in my work. But, as I used to say to my staff — it’s not where we’ve been, it’s where we’re headed and how we’re performing now. I want to get back on the right track and pronto. I don’t think there’s sthg odd about that. Unfortunately, we don’t get a lot of credit for past performances when our current performances don’t measure up.

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