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The magic number is …

Peter Abraham
September
26

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The Yankees (99-56) beat the Red Sox and have clinched at least a tie for the American League East title. They can celebrate tomorrow with a series sweep.

Sue, Billy Martin would have been the easy choice for the magic number. But the late Bobby Murcer knew most of the players on this team and was close friends with Joe Girardi.

Plus he was one of the nicest guys in the game. So as the Yankees move a win away from clinching, let’s remember Bobby.

Back in a bit with clubhouse reaction.

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293 Responses to “The magic number is …”

  1. testing

    great choice pete

  2. RalphieD (OPPC)

    Miss ya bobby! GO YANKS!

  3. mikethemike

    Perfect choice – we all love bobby – but lets also remember billy for he would have loved this team as well – all heart.

  4. Yankee44

    A nice nod to Bobby

  5. Paco Dooley

    Wow, nice work Pete – that was sure fast. Nice choice for #1 as well.

  6. RhapsodyInBlue

    Billy Martin #1.

    http://i378.photobucket.com/al.....martin.jpg

  7. jpb1973

    The Red Sox haven’t scored many runs in the New Yankee Stadium.

  8. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who is missing the worry gene

    That made me cry.

  9. Benny Blanco

    Yes!

  10. rb

    Exellent choice, Pete.

  11. jennifer

    Auh Pete you are going to make me cry. :-( Bobby would have loved to have watched this.

  12. Larry Mahnken

    Billy’s gonna meet you outside, Pete.

  13. Giuseppe Franco

    Are the bridge jumpers still panicking?

    Is the AL East race about over yet?

    Actually, it’s been over for about a month. They just hadn’t made it official.

  14. jimintokyo

    Good one, Pete

  15. Benny Blanco

    Cant believe cashman signed cc, fire him!

  16. aado

    Great choice Pete. If Billy is indeed waiting for you outside, Eddie Lee Whitson has got your back.

  17. vitus

    Bobby, we all miss you!

    It’s a shame that Bobby never get the chance to watch a game in the new ball park.

    Let’s go all the way for Bobby!

  18. Ed in Oregon

    Nice work Pete…. You are going to be missed. Best of luck to you in Redsockastan.

    A golden opportunity to clinch tomorrow with the Red Sox offering up Paul Byrd

  19. Tim N.

    Great, Pete… great choice, well said. How much are New Englanders going to come to dread Billy Wagner next month?

  20. Todd

    I’d have to say CC & Tex have been marvelous FA signings..

  21. Josh

    I miss that guy…

  22. Serf

    What a season, guys. I think I’ll cry if the Yankees don’t win the World Series this year. This team and season is just too good for the Yankees for them not to win it all.

  23. Boatz n Hose

    lump in my throat. We miss you Bobby!

  24. John in Ohio

    Even Bobby Richardson would have approved of your choice. Nicely done.

  25. Johnny D.

    YAY!

  26. 100 pitches of fun...

    I am assuming the billion dollar stadium has a special clinching/champagne room? You don’t want to get the big NY dirty.

  27. Jim M

    Either one are appropriate, but I completely agree with the thought process behind the choice. IIRC, Bobby wore 2 during his second tour with the Yankees.

  28. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who is missing the worry gene

    UPDATED 2009 YANKEE WINS PREDICTION CHART
    Created on April 6, 2009
    poster # of games

    TOMPASS 124 :(
    S.O.S. 118 :(
    ROB THOMPSON 110 :(
    *RAYVT 107 :(
    #2 FOR PREZ 106
    *ANGEL 105
    PEL 105
    BACKBENCH 105
    *TOM B 104
    DR. COX 104
    TRISHA 103
    VSPOT 103
    KEVIN IN CT 102
    NICK IN SF 102
    YANKEESJTJ 102
    GLOBAL WARMING 102
    MG 102
    THE PREDIKTER 101
    *L-tothe2ND 101
    LORI 100
    MEL 100
    TEX’S NEW BF 100
    PATRICK 100
    *ERICA 100
    BARDOS 99
    VIN 99
    JENNIFER 99
    ED 99
    *NYY626 99
    DT 99
    *STEVE-B 99
    LAURA 98 :(
    PETE ABE 98 :(
    RISHI 98 :(
    RUSSW210 98 :(
    CLAYB 98 :(
    DOREEN 98 :(
    RB15 98 :(
    TOM IN NJ 97 :(
    FRAN 97 :(
    S.A. 97 :(
    HOKIEHILL 97 :(
    UNCLE ELLSWORTH 97 :(
    #2 FOR PREZ 96 :(
    GAYLE 96 :(
    PAT 96 :(
    WESTERNER99 96 :(
    PSYLUCK 96 :(
    STEVEB 96 :(
    MICHAEL KAY 96 :(
    JOHN IN OHIO 95 :(
    MARK 95 :(
    B-DAVE 94 :(
    *WAIT TIL THEY COME 94 :(
    *haiku-man 62 :(

    * added 7/29 or later

  29. Abdababdaserser

    It’s just too bad that Victor’s hitting streak wasn’t ended. I got so tired of hearing it over and over and over during the game.

    A sweep would be wonderful. Send the Saux on their way, no celebration for you!

  30. Jim M

    sorry… I should have written “Either one is appropriate”.. :)

  31. BBFan

    If we win tomorrow it will be great…
    We win the division
    Against Sox
    At our home
    And 100th win of the season.

    It cannot get better :) :) :)

  32. pat

    People were complaining because how this could translate to RISP in the postseason.

    Difference is Yanks now have starters and a pen that can keep it close enough that a blast and a bloop or a manufactured run can be the difference in the game.

  33. 100 pitches of fun...

    The only thing standing in the way of the Yanks clinching tomorrow is Paul batting practice Byrd.

  34. Jim

    The perfect choice.

  35. GreenBeret7

    risha – OPPC lifetime member who is missing the worry gene
    September 26th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
    I wasn’t worried for a second.

    Vote for me for president!

    ————————————————————

    Well, dammit, Trisha…I was. LMAO.

  36. Rob in Vt.

    Great choice! My favorite player growing up.

  37. 61in61

    “This team and season is just too good for the Yankees for them not to win it all.”

    That’s what I thought in 1960. And I STILL claim that “Mazeroski” is a four-letter word….

  38. Benny Blanco

    CC is 11-1 in 14 starts after the allstar break with a 2.36 era. Thats just remarkable.

  39. Chris

    RIP Bobby – a true Yankee and gentlemen. He would be awfully proud of this team and Joe G.

  40. stuart

    CC is a monster. Not lost in a long long time.. 20 quality 7 inning outings.

    he is a horse……………..

    homefield 1 win away

  41. lets go twins

    So, if by some chance Texas loses tonight and we lose tomorrow (which I really do not see happening going against Byrd), do the Red Sox wait around to see if Texas loses and then celebrate?

  42. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who is missing the worry gene

    GB, I’m just missing some genes or something but when it comes to this stuff I’m happy I am. Sometimes I think I’m too stupid to worry.

  43. Mike McCann

    Thanks, Pete. A classy way to remember an absolutely terrific man.

    Sorry that you won’t be around this winter to moderate a debate regarding a Yankee equivalent to a “ring of honor.” Bobby, with 40-plus years of service as a player, executive and broadcaster, deserves a permanent remembrance. Something other than a “retired number,” more a plaque honoring the name, the achievement, the person’s place in Yankee history.

  44. CB

    The yankees have beaten the Red Sox silly this second half of the year and they’ve done it in every which way possible.

    The range and methods through which the’ve crushed the sox has been just remarkable.

    The contrast between last nights game and today’s was eye opening.

    Yesterday it was power and speed.

    Today it was CC yet again dominating the Sox. This is now the 3 straight game where he’s beaten the Sox. And today he was utterly masterful.

    The big man gives up 1 hit – and does so on a day where the offense was giving them nothing and he literally had to be perfect.

    When is the last time the yankees had a pitcher who could answer that call?

    And as they’ve done all year – they’ve dominated innings 7-9.

    The Sox pen can get all the acclaim they want.

    Who cares – the yankees pen is better.

    Hughes would be arguably the most underrated relief pitcher in baseball if Dave Robertson didn’t happen to be in the majors as well.

    And what they’ve added these past two games to the diversity of ways they’ve stepped on the Sox throat has been dominant base running.

    The yankees are a systematically better team than the sox.

    It is a long time since all of the cries of the yankees not being able to beat the sox.

    0-8 is a distant memory now.

    Hard to believe that once again the season series will be split.

    But the yankees are now clearly the better team. That doesn’t guarantee post season success but they are clearly the favorites even though the media just won’t acknowledge that reality.

  45. Rishi

    Robbie for GG!!

  46. Jim M

    The Yankees were terrific today. CC came up huge and on a day where the offense had trouble plating the RISP.

    It looked to me like that second pitch missed Youkalis but there was no argument from Molina, so I am not positive.

    Finally, I love the fact that the Yankees can clinch tomorrow against the Sox, AND the Sox are not going to sip champaign this weekend.

  47. haiku-man

    C o n g r a t u l a t i o n s CC on #19 7 ip 1 hit wow!

    Yankees are in the Sawx’s head,They know homefieLd is
    H u g e!

    -Three times Yankees loaded the bases and finally the 3rd time it paid off.

    Tonight is going to be fun over at nesn.com,bostonherald.con,and boston.com.Sawx fans in a panic,wanting Francona’s head

  48. MattNC

    One of my favorite Bobby pics:

    http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Q_Zerpnj.....059739.JPG

  49. GreenBeret7

    trisha – OPPC lifetime member who is missing the worry gene
    September 26th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
    GB, I’m just missing some genes or something but when it comes to this stuff I’m happy I am. Sometimes I think I’m too stupid to worry.

    ————————————————————

    Just teasing. Nothing “stupid” about not getting wrapped around the axle over losses. My only concerns with the Yanks are when they are down by 2 games with 1 to play.

  50. stuart

    CB is correct.. RObertson coming back is huge.

    Hughes ERA is under 3… He is a monster…the guy is 23 or 22.

    domination….

  51. chambliss

    Nice to see the Yankees pull one out after a less than perfect day with RISP.

    Bring out the brooms tomorrow.

  52. stuart

    mccarver with gardner will make the post season roster.. wow he is really on top of things. Gardner may start, mccarver is a clown…

    wagner looked like wagner today, he is not good when it counts……….

  53. Vince

    That 8-0 start that Boston tooted their horns about on June 11th is of no absolute significance.
    If anything, it inspired the Yankees to erase the thought of it.

  54. 100 pitches of fun...

    do the Red Sox wait around to see if Texas loses and then celebrate?
    —————————

    Probably. But the best thing is the Yanks won’t have to see it. The Texas game won’t end for a good 3 hours after the Yankee’s game does.

  55. no.27

    going 4-1 against the red sox and angels down the stretch is a great sign for the yankees. the yankees record against every team in the al that could make the playoffs is great, except for the 0-8 start against the red sox.

  56. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who is missing the worry gene

    “My only concerns with the Yanks are when they are down by 2 games with 1 to play.”

    :)

    I’m with ya. And I know that is exactly where you head is at too. So I know you have absolutely loved the hell out of this season.

    Wish we could have breathed those thoughts into people who worried all season long, only because they wasted a lot of happy moments worrying.

  57. Lee23 *Bridge Jumper*

    I’m not jumping…. I’m confident and hopeful.

    Weird feeling, but a good one too.

  58. BBFan

    Every one is goiving Cy Young to Greinke.
    How so when CC has two more quality starts?
    If CC wins next start and has 20 wins he has to be seriously considered for Cy Young.

  59. crawdaddy

    McCarver also said Rivera rarely wastes pitches which is wrong as he throws waste pitches all the time once he’s up 0-2. He’s a terrible announcer and needs to retire.

  60. crawdaddy

    “Every one is goiving Cy Young to Greinke.
    How so when CC has two more quality starts?
    If CC wins next start and has 20 wins he has to be seriously considered for Cy Young.”

    Because Greinke’s ERA is more than a full run less than CC’s which is more important in judging a pitcher’s performance than wins.

  61. Christina- Pictures of the Girardi and A-Rod ejection + Leiter's Sock

    Great choice. I sure do miss Bobby Murcer.

  62. Wolf In Pinstripes

    Beautiful thinking there, Pete. One more reason why you’ll be missed.

  63. Amy

    I owe Cashman my soul for CC and Tex.
    Congrats on another fantastic win… let’s clinch tomorrow!

  64. Amy

    Also, beautiful picture, Pete. Great choice.

  65. Alan

    Win No. 100 coming soon at 161st & River Ave in the Bronx.

  66. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who is missing the worry gene

    BB, the only things is this. I think I read that CC has gotten the most run support in the majors. It is a lot easier to win games when you get great run support. What Greinke has done with a team that is #23 in runs is absolutely phenomenal.

  67. lets go twins

    100 pitches of fun…
    September 26th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
    do the Red Sox wait around to see if Texas loses and then celebrate?
    —————————
    Probably. But the best thing is the Yanks won’t have to see it. The Texas game won’t end for a good 3 hours after the Yankee’s game does.

    ———-

    Ryan (Boston)

    Amy, any chance we see some fireworks tonight? NY has hit 10 Boston batters and we have yet to see any retaliation.

    Amy K. Nelson (2:45 PM)

    Great question … Red Sox players were, um, very upset last series in NY…one player told me he expected retaliation and it never came, in large part because of how the series went. Not sure, there’s a lot still these teams need to accomplish, but I can tell you this: Red Sox are relishing chance to celebrate at Yankee Stadium and they will tear that place apart, if they do it on Sat, wonder if we’ll see any repercussions in Sunday’s game?

    Stay classy Red Sox. Really looks like they will not have the chance to “tear the place apart”

  68. 100 pitches of fun...

    I wonder if Girardi will go for it tomorrow, or give some guys a day off. Yanks are lucky they still have Thurs. off. Maybe just Arod.

  69. BBFan

    “Because Greinke’s ERA is more than a full run less than CC’s which is more important in judging a pitcher’s performance than wins.”

    Then why did Greinke have two less quality starts than CC?
    ERA can baloon based on just a couple of bad outings.

  70. Rishi

    and a Pettite win against Byrd tomorrow means I get to see them clinch!

  71. haiku-man

    Cardinals have been waiting for 6 days for the Cubs to lose 1 game,so they can clinch the division.they’ve won 6 straight!

    Lou P. said he’s playing spoiler,let them earn it.

    Could you imagine if the Yankees had t wait a week for 1 game to clinch?

  72. GreenBeret7

    trisha – OPPC lifetime member who is missing the worry gene
    September 26th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
    “My only concerns with the Yanks are when they are down by 2 games with 1 to play.”

    I’m with ya. And I know that is exactly where you head is at too. So I know you have absolutely loved the hell out of this season.

    Wish we could have breathed those thoughts into people who worried all season long, only because they wasted a lot of happy moments worrying.

    ————————————————————

    Calming down the whiners will never happen. A huge portion of them are “fans” from about 1998 foreward. A lot more are trolls, in here for affect. That’s one reason that I don’t stick around much during games, early. I learned long ago to believe in what Jouquin andujar said about baseball. “You can describe baseball in two words….you never know.”

  73. BBFan

    “I wonder if Girardi will go for it tomorrow, or give some guys a day off. Yanks are lucky they still have Thurs. off. Maybe just Arod.”

    I think it depends on what Rangers do tonight.
    If they win, Girardi may go with B-lineup.
    If they lose it will be A-lineup as we do not want the Sox to have the opportunity to celebrate in the Yankee Stadium by winning WC.

  74. Christina- Pictures of the Girardi and A-Rod ejection + Leiter's Sock

    BBFan, Greinke is clearly the Cy Young. He shouldnt be penalized because hes on a horrible Royals team.

  75. JZ

    basically they won a meaningless game, still good though.

  76. crawdaddy

    “Then why did Greinke have two less quality starts than CC?
    ERA can baloon based on just a couple of bad outings.”

    If you’re talking about quality starts according to David Cone’s interpretation then you need to realize that the Royals pulled Greinke early in his last couple of starts after getting hit on his pitching elbow by a batted ball. Furthermore, he didn’t give up any runs in those two games and he won them too which goes back to your standard.

  77. GreenBeret7

    If Greinke doesn’t get the Cy Young this year, they need to pull all voting privileges from the writers. He’s had 6 starts where he allowed 1 run or less and couldn’t get a win. That total domination in the game that’s being played now.

  78. rb

    100 pitches of fun… September 26th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    I wonder if Girardi will go for it tomorrow, or give some guys a day off. Yanks are lucky they still have Thurs. off. Maybe just Arod.

    —————

    Alex did not play on Wednesday in Anaheim, he will play tomorrow. I would expect the A- lineup tomorrow. In postgame, Girardi said Jorge is day to day. So Molina or Cervelli will probably catch tomorrow.

  79. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who is missing the worry gene

    “Then why did Greinke have two less quality starts than CC?
    ERA can baloon based on just a couple of bad outings.”

    True. And ERA can balloon if you aren’t lucky enough to have a bullpen that holds inherited runners in check. The Yankees have a superior bullpen. And you can lose a quality start if you are unlucky enough to have shaky defense behind you or if you’re getting squeezed by the umps. There are a lot that can go into it. But the fact that CC has that many more wins with that much higher an ERA tells me what I need to know about the run support differential.

    Again, KC is #23 in runs in the majors. Yanks are #1. For Greinke to have 15 wins with really lousy run support tells you the kind of stuff he has.

    If CC wins it, of course it will be a great thing. But I wouldn’t be upset for a moment if Greinke won the Cy. I would be thrilled for him, because he has had a lot less to work with in every way, shape and form. Run support, fan support, you name it.

  80. E-gawa

    “BBFan, Greinke is clearly the Cy Young. He shouldnt be penalized because hes on a horrible Royals team.”

    Yeah he should.

    Cy Young isn’t the best pitcher award. It’s been more about Wins-Losses than overall stats.

    The best example of this is Randy Johnson in 2004. Randy was 16-14 2.60 290Ks

    He lost to Roger Clemens.. who was..
    18-4 2.98 218Ks

  81. Medical Hair Restoration

    Are the Angels behind the Red Sox in better record?

  82. Darrin

    “Hey – at least we are still 9-8 against the Yankees!” – Red Sox fan.

  83. Abdababdaserser

    I’m not so sure that the Red Sox will wait around for 3 hours to celebrate the WC over heading home which isn’t that far away.

    Better though if the Yankees win tomorrow and remove any chance of that happening.

    As to RS batter being hit, maybe they shouldn’t be leaning so far over the plate. They dive toward the ball, they are getting themselves hit in a lot of cases.

  84. Darrin

    Where is Jim Pir-one? I miss him. :(

  85. E-gawa

    I know people will bring up relievers but writers can be stupid sometimes like when they gave Palmeiro a gold glove for playing a handful of games at 1st one year

  86. Bo Knows

    Rivera is beyond compare. When Youk started doing his foul off act, Rivera went for the ribs. Just the cutting action brought it back to his hands. Here foul this one off. Beautiful baseball. You don’t mess with the man.

  87. haiku-man

    Wagner seemed scared to me,of the iine up.He threw wild pitches,and hit Melky (retaliation I suspect.)

    Ortiz usually hits CC pretty good,but not today.

    OAK VS LAA tonight,Go A’s!! It’s all about homefield now.

  88. GreenBeret7

    E-gawa
    September 26th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
    I know people will bring up relievers but writers can be stupid sometimes like when they gave Palmeiro a gold glove for playing a handful of games at 1st one year

    ————————————————————

    Which goes to prove what everyone knows about you. You’re a know-nothing clown. Writers don’t vote for the gold Glove. Managers and coaches vote on them.

  89. Doreen

    Pete -

    I just walked in from dinner to find out the Yankees won. Came here to see the “Magic Number” player.

    Thank you so much for the picture of Bobby. You have reduced me to tears.

    I just want to say…I have no more doubts about this team – no more trepidation, no more nervousness. This team is going to clinch tomorrow and this team is going to win the World Series.

    After the wonderful ride this season has been, I am sorry you will not be with us, Pete, to celebrate this. You have provided a place for us to experience the Yankees season in a very different way. And I wish you would be here to come full circle.

    Now, I will go back and read the game thread.

    Frankly, I still don’t know how they won. I know CC, Hughes and Joba did incredibly, but I still don’t know how they scored the 2 runs! :lol:

  90. Betsy

    aww, Pete…….that makes me want to cry.

    CC was fantastic again – the man just carries the team on his shoulders; what a stud. I think Joe did the right thing in taking him out – we need to ride his arm through the playoffs. What good does an extra inning now do him? He apparently told Suzyn that the rest he’s been getting has done wonders….he feels refreshed mentally especially (last year was tough and so was the year before).

    If they win tomorrow, the series will be tied up – amazing. Even if the Yankees don’t win, they have demolished the Sox in every conceivable way. I have no idea what it means for the playoffs because the playoffs are a different story………..

    I’m not ready to call Robertson underrated….he still has a lot to prove to me. I also don’t think the Yankees have the best pen – they have the best back of the pen, but not overall.

  91. m

    I don’t know how anyone can complain about a Yankee win. :?

  92. Mike A.

    “Because Greinke’s ERA is more than a full run less than CC’s which is more important in judging a pitcher’s performance than wins.”

    Then why did Greinke have two less quality starts than CC?
    ERA can baloon based on just a couple of bad outings.

    ===============================================

    Right, and those couple of bad outings that potentially balloon an ERA should count against him. Greinke could allow 23 runs before recording an out in his next start, and he’s still have a lower ERA than CC.

  93. m

    CB,

    People want to believe that the Red Sox owned us the first 8 games of the season series. Not true. They won all 8, but we held late leads in most of those games.

    I would’ve love to tie up the season series, though.

    When is anyone with a national audience going to speak up and admit that the Yankees are a better team top to bottom than the Red Sox?

  94. Carl

    Its so stupid to Argue about an award we don’t even vote for. I mean CC came out and said Felix Hernandez has his vote if he had one.

  95. E-gawa

    GreenBeret7 with his girly shot. Are you still trying to get back at me for calling you out on your making up stories about Arod pre-season?

    My bad on the voters, you’re right it is the managers and coaches. At least I can admit my own goof unlike you who comes in for a cheap shot and thens runs away like the little girl he really is.

  96. Trevor (Super Mario)

    “Cy Young isn’t the best pitcher award. It’s been more about Wins-Loses than overall stats”

    ditto

    Especially if a pitcher wins 20 games. Which is like the magic number to win that award. In the past if no one won 20 games a pitcher can get away with winning the award if he only won 17 18 games.

    But Greinke will win it cause his era is lower then CC and has more Ks I believe.

  97. GreenBeret7

    Betsy
    September 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
    aww, Pete…….that makes me want to cry.

    CC was fantastic again – the man just carries the team on his shoulders; what a stud. I think Joe did the right thing in taking him out – we need to ride his arm through the playoffs. What good does an extra inning now do him? He apparently told Suzyn that the rest he’s been getting has done wonders….he feels refreshed mentally especially (last year was tough and so was the year before).

    If they win tomorrow, the series will be tied up – amazing. Even if the Yankees don’t win, they have demolished the Sox in every conceivable way. I have no idea what it means for the playoffs because the playoffs are a different story………..

    I’m not ready to call Robertson underrated….he still has a lot to prove to me. I also don’t think the Yankees have the best pen – they have the best back of the pen, but not overall.

    ____________________________________________________________

    This series has really exposed Boston’t greatest weakness….defense….especially in controlling the running game. Even the threat of running is a huge distraction for their pitchers. That’s going to play big in the post season. NYY should have been running on them all year, but, not everyone with speed was healthy. Rodriguez was out and Damon hasn’t run much this year, like Jeter last year, most likely because of bad/sore legs. His bat was to big to chance losing, so, now they pick their spots.

  98. 100 pitches of fun...

    CC probably has no chance for the CY. Since they will look at era and Greinke’s is a 2. Even though CC’s team has the best record in baseball, a playoff team, he has to pitch against much tougher lineups and pitch under pressure down the stretch. Greinke has been great but he pitches with absolutely no pressure on him.

  99. crawdaddy

    As an ex-Yankee player, I think Girardi realizes the signficance of trying to clinch the title tomorrow against the hated Red Sox and will have his “A” lineup in the game especially with today’s game being a day game. Posada might not play, but I expect everybody else to be out there.

  100. Christina- Pictures of the Girardi and A-Rod ejection + Leiter's Sock

    E-gawa September 26th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    “BBFan, Greinke is clearly the Cy Young. He shouldnt be penalized because hes on a horrible Royals team.”

    Yeah he should.

    Cy Young isn’t the best pitcher award. It’s been more about Wins-Losses than overall stats.

    The best example of this is Randy Johnson in 2004. Randy was 16-14 2.60 290Ks

    He lost to Roger Clemens.. who was..
    18-4 2.98 218Ks
    ———————-
    The win/loss ratio can be a very misleading stat. The example you gave me just shows the bias of some of the writers. Was Clemens more liked than Johnson? Did the fact the Astros were in the playoffs contribute to their voting (and the DBacks were 5th in the league with only 51 wins)?

    All in all, for this case, why should Greinke be penalized? I think his stats are more obvious than those in 2004. The kid has an ERA of 2.08 in the American League, and despite being on a terrible tema, he still has managed to win 15 games (along with being 2nd in the league in K’s and CG’s)

  101. RS

    I mentioned this in the last post, but it’s funny that CC will probably not win the Cy Young this year because his stats are identical to his 2007 season when he won it.

    2007: 19-7, 3.21 ERA
    2009 (so far): 19-7, 3.21 ERA

    The overall pitching in the AL is obviously better than it was just a few years ago. Maybe it has something to do with drifting away from the steroid era.

  102. stuart

    look at the 7 inning quality stats… sabathia is 2nd to king felix..

    sabathia’s #’s are damn good..you act like he has a 4.50 era…

  103. Vrsce

    E-gawa

    It is past his bed time. GB7, MG and a few other old guys on this blog get snippy, then are offended when called on it. All due to a lack of seratonin, common with old and very old men.

  104. Jim P i r o n e

    testttttttttttttttt

  105. Jim P i r o n e

    Darrin -

    Don’t worry. I’m still here. I dont see a point in complaining about the Red Sox at this juncture. I’m glad nothing is serious with Lester, but I should be upset that he did not have an injury bad enough to make him miss 40 days.

    If our guy gets drilled around the knee area, its a miracle if he ends up with same diagnosis as Lester.

    Kenny Phillips has best game of his short career, out for season.

    And Amy K. Red Sox Nelson’s sickening comments posted above. Truly classless.

  106. Darrin

    Absolutely horrible weather heading for the Bronx. Let’s hope they are able to get the game in.

  107. Rob in Vt.

    Magic # to clinch home field is also 1.

  108. Betsy

    M, who is complaining about a Yankees win?

  109. Jim P i r o n e

    Twins take the lead 5-2. and the Tiggers are down 5-1

    WOOHOO

  110. crawdaddy

    “look at the 7 inning quality stats… sabathia is 2nd to king felix..

    sabathia’s #’s are damn good..you act like he has a 4.50 era…”

    Which poster are you talking about in regard to that 4.50 ERA? Or is this a poor attempt at misrepresenting what others with a contrary opinion than yours is saying?

  111. Alan

    It would seem that the Yankees would want L.A. to have a better record than Boston to ensure that Boston has to open the ALDS out west and Boston being a so-so road team gives the Angels an edge.
    Many are just plain tired of Boston.

  112. random reader

    Jim = the one thing that made this night of a Yankee victory completely sour.

    In the meantime…
    I keep forgetting tomorrow afternoon’s game is an ESPN game. Hope the rain stays away.

  113. Jim P i r o n e

    Maybe Lenny Dinardo is trying to help the Yankees 1st round matchup like he tried to help his former ballclub this past Monday.

  114. Darrin

    For the first time in months we will have a stress free week upcoming. Enjoy the 6 with KC and TB before we ramp it on up again.

  115. Betsy

    GB, I don’t see the Yankees becoming the go-go A’s (was it the A’s, I think?) in the playoffs. As weaknesses go, I don’t think it’s a bad one for the Sox to have; if their pitching holds up, they won’t give other teams a chance to run crazy.

  116. haiku-man

    Well the Sawx fans have started,here’s a gem,from nesn.com

    “Not really happy about what I’m seeing at all.
    If we play the Yanks in the playoffs,they will totally roll over us.They have no fear of this team…they smacked around Lester yesterday,before they knocked him out,Dice-k battled,but could have given up 5-6 runs easy.
    CC looked like he was pitching against a softball team,totally dominant.
    Never ever should Wagner be put into a big spot in the playoffs” lol!

  117. Pel (a/k/a Bart Simpson, a/k/a O.J. Simpson)

    Girardi’s, CC’s, Damon’s, Molina’s, Hughes’, and Mo’s YES post-game reactions:

    http://bit.ly/VNDqZ

    Sorry I’m late. :(
    I was busy.

  118. crawdaddy

    “It would seem that the Yankees would want L.A. to have a better record than Boston to ensure that Boston has to open the ALDS out west and Boston being a so-so road team gives the Angels an edge.
    Many are just plain tired of Boston.”

    Boston is the WC, the WC always opens in a division’s winner park unless it’s the WS and the AL representative in 2009 is the Red Sox due to the All-star game result.

  119. Carl

    Thanks Pel!!!

  120. Darrin

    Alan – the Red Sox will open in Anaheim no matter what. Record is irrelevant.

  121. Jim P i r o n e

    random reader -

    dont worry. i wont be typing on here this next week, its a free week sans meaningful baseball. that should cheer you up :)

  122. m

    I don’t know if they were complaining, but someone (JZ) said it was basically a meaningless win, but they’d take it.

    Hello! It’s the Red Sox. They should shoot fireworks everytime we beat them in the Bronx. :)

    I was just kidding, though.

    But I really wish that people would enjoy the game instead of posting their doomsday posts about why this pitcher is in or that guy isn’t being pinch hit for. They may not be as good as you want, but they are professional players, and capable of attaining the desired results. And who knows? The other team just might gift you with an error.

    And how silly to give Hideki a hit on that popup just because it didn’t touch anyone’s glove. That was such a gift they wouldn’t even need a glove to catch it.

  123. Tom in N.J.

    Wild Card winners never have home field in the division and championship series…

  124. Darrin

    I’m hoping that 2009 will end up being known as the “Year of the Great Turn Arounds”: Angels finally beat Boston; Yankees finally beat Angels.

  125. 100 pitches of fun...

    Let’s go Twins and W Sox!! I can see it right now game 1 CC against Pavano. LOL

  126. trisha - OPPC lifetime member who is missing the worry gene

    And don’t forget – LET’S GO RANGERS!!!

  127. GreenBeret7

    Betsy
    September 26th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
    GB, I don’t see the Yankees becoming the go-go A’s (was it the A’s, I think?) in the playoffs. As weaknesses go, I don’t think it’s a bad one for the Sox to have; if their pitching holds up, they won’t give other teams a chance to run crazy.

    ————————————————————

    Boston can’t stop the bases running and in tight games, that will kill them. In the post season, you might see more of the running, bunting and hit and run types against Boston. Varitek is getting worse by the day. Martinez can hit and his defense is pretty decent….he just can’t throw. You’ll see NYY try their running game over the next 7 games….like Cabrera and gardner…even Guzman when he gets on. I would think that girardi will pull back on the reins with Jeter, Damon and Rodriguez with running, though. Boston playing the Angels…if they get on base, they’ll run Boston out of the park.

  128. stuart

    my point is that it is not a no brainer that grienke wins the cy young. sabathia for 2 months has been the best pitcher in the AL. BTW he pitches in the east grienke pitches in the central. grienke has faced the yanks how many times this year??? 1 or none………

  129. 100 pitches of fun...

    Oh right, LET’S GO RANGERS!!!! LET’S GO RANGERS

  130. Doreen

    It would be really, really cool if CC can win the Cy Young. But no one can argue if Greinke gets it.

    Same as Teixeira for MVP. If Mauer gets it, it’ s so egregious.

    The most important thing is, The World Series.

    I don’t care if the media at large refuse to acknowledge that the team with 98 wins so far is the best team in baseball. I think they’re ridiculous but I don’t care.

    I do wonder, though, about all that would be being said about Team “X” who could clinch their division tomorrow with 99 wins and 6 games left; who has , what, 14 walk-off wins; who has contenders for both the Cy Young and the MVP awards; who leads is so many offensive and defensive categories. The chatter would be over the top. But because Team “X” happens to be the Yankees, well, we all know what that means.

    For the record, back when the Yankees were 0-8 vs the Sox, I believed they would even up the series, because basically, they’ve been even against them for a long time. What I wouldn’t have guessed was the domination in the wins. :)

  131. Betsy

    GB, good points…….I hope Guzman is not on the roster though. I don’t even know why the Yankees acquired him…….

  132. Pel (a/k/a Bart Simpson, a/k/a O.J. Simpson)

    >Thanks Pel!!!

    ;)

  133. XLJ

    Robertson coming back is huge. The middle relief in the postseason should be Coke/Robertson/Aceves. That is a very nice bridge to Hughes.

    I assume the yankees will turn Aceves into a 1-2 inning reliever in the postseason and make Gaudin the long man in the alcs and world series if 1 of the 4 starters struggle.

  134. m

    stuart,

    I don’t think the voters pay *too* much attention to division strength or strength of schedule.

    Greinke has 15 wins, CC has a chance for 19?

    If CC gets 20 wins, he’ll get the award. That’s usually the magic #, no matter what the ERA of the other candidates is.

    That’s too bad for Greinke, but that’s the way it is. But no one should diminish what Greinke’s done this season. Whether it’s the small market or bad division argument. The only thing Greinke did wrong, was pitch for a bad team.

  135. m

    *CC has 20

  136. E-gawa

    “The win/loss ratio can be a very misleading stat. The example you gave me just shows the bias of some of the writers. Was Clemens more liked than Johnson? Did the fact the Astros were in the playoffs contribute to their voting (and the DBacks were 5th in the league with only 51 wins)?

    All in all, for this case, why should Greinke be penalized? I think his stats are more obvious than those in 2004. The kid has an ERA of 2.08 in the American League, and despite being on a terrible tema, he still has managed to win 15 games (along with being 2nd in the league in K’s and CG’s)”

    If you go through the years, you can see with other times too. 2001 Clemens won over Garcia because Clemens had 2 more wins and a bunch more K’s. Meanwhile Garcia had a lower era, more innings pitched, 4 CG’s with 3 of them shut outs.

    Even though I agree, the W/L is misleading because it’s no way to judge a pitcher, it’s just how it’s been.

    If Greinke doesn’t win don’t be surprised.

  137. m

    Argh.

    Greinke has 15, CC has 19. CC has a chance for 20.

  138. Doreen

    I just re-read my post. I meant to type if Mauer wins MVP it’s NOT so egregious. :oops:

  139. Doreen

    m -

    They won’t give CC the C-Y. He’s a Yankee. He’s SUPPOSED to do what he’s doing. Just the way it seems to go. Unless there’s NO competition. But as I said before, one really couldn’t grip if Greinke wins its. Who knows how he’d do if he were in the AL East? It’s immaterial.

  140. Doreen

    ** gripe ** :oops:

  141. pat

    “Twins take the lead 5-2. and the Tiggers are down 5-1

    WOOHOO”

    Be careful what you wish for.

    The best teams get to the postseason, the hottest team wins. Twins may look like the east road but they may also just be getting hot at the right time.

  142. Yanksrule57

    I am a shameless homer for the Yanks players when it comes to awards.
    Even I have to admit Greinke deserves the Cy Young award this year. He has been the best pitcher in the league.

  143. pat

    Edit
    east road = easy road

  144. m

    Doreen,

    Perhaps. Especially if Greinke can get his ERA below 2. I don’t know if it’s mathematically possible, but it’s at 2.08 right now.

    I don’t know how many starts Greinke can squeeze out in the next week either.

  145. GreenBeret7

    Betsy
    September 26th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
    GB, good points…….I hope Guzman is not on the roster though. I don’t even know why the Yankees acquired him…….

    ————————————————————

    Mainly because Guzman runs like a rabbit and can play all of the outfield and infield spots (not a lot of infield very well, though). As a hitter, he was a career .270 hitter in the minors, but, hasn’t ever had much of a Major League chance. Mainly, it’s the speed factor and pretty decent defense, especially if Gardner and Cabrera are already in the game.

  146. XLJ

    CC should be the cy young winner. He pitches in the best hitting division with some of the best hitting ballparks in the league. New yankee stadium, Fenway & Camden yards are great hitters parks. That should really be taken into consideration too.

  147. Cellar

    Twins face Grienke tomorrow

  148. Doreen

    m -

    With awards I just assume a Yankee won’t win. If they do, great. The only time I really was bummed was 2006 when Jeter did not win. I thought he was penalized for being a Yankee.

  149. Doreen

    Oh, and watch Tex play 1st base. He’s incredibly athletic. I understand that Mauer has to crouch for 9 innings. But he does not do what Tex does.

  150. 100 pitches of fun...

    The Detroit and W. Sox game is now tied 5-5.

  151. m

    Cellar,

    Thanks. That gives him 2 more starts. 17 wins and a sub-2 ERA would clinch.

    Otherwise, another great outing by CC like today? Would be hard not to give it him.

    I feel like Greinke deserves it, he’s had hard luck, but 20 wins is too sexy for the voters.

    Run support while in the game (as of Greinke’s last start v. Boston)

    CC (1st)
    Felix (tied for 16th)
    Greinke (22)

  152. Doreen

    Guzman gives Girardi more options for what could be close playoff games especially late. Part of me feels like Guzman is taking a spot from someone who gave 162 games of service to the season; the other part realizes that if Guzman can help get to the goal, that one person will be duly compensated! :lol:

  153. GreenBeret7

    Greinke has two more scheduled starts this year. He easily should have had 18-19 wins by know, even with just an average offense. as I mentioned earlier….6 games of zero or one run and zero wins.

  154. XLJ

    GreenBeret7
    September 26th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
    Betsy
    September 26th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
    GB, good points…….I hope Guzman is not on the roster though. I don’t even know why the Yankees acquired him…….

    ————————————————————

    Mainly because Guzman runs like a rabbit and can play all of the outfield and infield spots (not a lot of infield very well, though). As a hitter, he was a career .270 hitter in the minors, but, hasn’t ever had much of a Major League chance. Mainly, it’s the speed factor and pretty decent defense, especially if Gardner and Cabrera are already in the game.

    ——————————————-

    Yeah I agree Gardner starts a lot of games and plays a lot. He is not being used as just a pinch runner. I think the thinking of having Guzman was if Gardner is starting than you have Guzman available to pinch run late in games. Girardi is basically just using Guzman as a pinch runner.

  155. GreenBeret7

    19 wins by ***now***

  156. Betsy

    GB, thanks, but if Guzman makes the team, who is left off? Hinske, I suppose – Joe has seemingly forgotten that he existed. I’d rather Hinske be on the roster than Guzman – he could provide pop off the bench.

  157. Tom

    I wouldn’t be shocked if Buchholz finished in the top 5 of the BWAAA ballot for the CY Young

  158. Trevor (Super Mario)

    Let Greinke have the CY. As long as Teixiera Jeter and Cano win the GG.

  159. m

    Tom,

    That was a joke, right?

    In no particular order:

    Halladay
    CC
    Verlander
    Greinke
    Hernandez

  160. Micro

    Hinske would never play if he was on the roster, unless someone got hurt. Guzman could pinch run and be a defensive replacement in every game if needed.

    This isn’t the NL… we don’t need bats off the bench. Speed and defense would serve us better.

  161. GreenBeret7

    Betsy
    September 26th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
    GB, thanks, but if Guzman makes the team, who is left off? Hinske, I suppose – Joe has seemingly forgotten that he existed. I’d rather Hinske be on the roster than Guzman – he could provide pop off the bench.

    ————————————————————

    In the short series, if they put Guzman on the roster, I would think they might drop a pitcher. Much will depend on how Robertson responds to his last 2-3 games this coming week.

  162. haiku-man

    Actual article on nesn.com:

    CC puts stamp on CY application as Yankees beat”red sawx”3-0

  163. Joe

    Robertson is sooo underrated. He is going to be a big key for us in the 7th inning in the playoffs, striking out guys left and write….

  164. Betsy

    GB, they could drop Bruney. I know you like him, but he really has been hopeless. I appreciate that he worked his tail off to help the team last year after he suffered the lis franc injury, but he can’t be used in any meaningful situation, so why put him on the roster? Word is it that they are going with 10 pitchers, so that would be CC, Andy, AJ, Phil, Mo, Robertson (if he’s healthy), Coke, Marte (presumably), Aceves and Joba/Gaudin.

  165. Betsy

    Let’s see if Robertson is healthy first………..this will also be his first post-season. I can’t say he’s going to be lock-down when he hasn’t done it in a big game yet. I like the kid, but I’m a bit skeptical.

  166. Christina- Pictures of the Girardi and A-Rod ejection + Leiter's Sock

    Look at these stats.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....qvu5yFCLcF

    Compare with these
    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....pyEkCFCLcF

    Now tell me who has been more of a consistent pitcher.

    E-Gawa, I get what you are saying. I just am trying to point out it would be disappointing for the writers to not get this one right. Not that CC winning it would be a travesty, but I think what Greinke has done this year has been great, especially considering the Royals have been brutal.

  167. ITC

    Texas down 2-0

    Come on, Texas. There is still a chance the Sox can celebrate in our place tomorrow. If they win, and you lose tonight and tomorrow.

    They’ll stay around the stadium until the Texas game is over. Our game will probably finish at around 4:30 or 5… by the time they finish their postgame interviews and change and all, the Texas game will be over and they can celebrate if they lose.

  168. Tom in N.J.

    Cashman has hinted at having a 10 man staff for the first round. Factor in the 9 starters and that would leave 6 spots on the bench: Molina, Gardner, Hairston, Hinske, Guzman, and…Cervelli(?)…

  169. GreenBeret7

    Betsy
    September 26th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
    Let’s see if Robertson is healthy first………..this will also be his first post-season. I can’t say he’s going to be lock-down when he hasn’t done it in a big game yet. I like the kid, but I’m a bit skeptical.

    ————————————————————

    Robertson’s health is the key thing. I’m not a big believer in “he hasn’t done it in a big game” for rookies. For them, every game is a big game.

  170. Jake

    Were those 2 runs against Wagner really unearned?

    Ugh… I wanted to add to his ERA….

  171. Trevor (Super Mario)

    Robertson is healthy. He’s ready to get in a game Monday they say.

  172. XLJ

    Guzman would only make postseason roster in the 1st round. Because of all the extra off days the yanks will only take 10 pitchers.

    Guzman wont be on the alcs and worldseries postseason roster. Then the yankees will need more pitchers.

  173. E-gawa

    “E-gawa

    It is past his bed time. GB7, MG and a few other old guys on this blog get snippy, then are offended when called on it. All due to a lack of seratonin, common with old and very old men.”

    I don’t know about the other people but yeah I guess so with GB7. Talk about bitter, this internet tough guy has been taking shots and running away all season. I called him out one time during the offseason for making stuff up about what Arod took or didn’t take and he’s been looking for slip-ups ever since. lol.

  174. Mark DET

    Hughes didn’t do it in a big game prior to 2007 either. And we saw what he did in the ALDS.

    Experience is very overrated. If you have ability and a good head on your shoulders, the situation won’t matter. Rookies always have pressure on them anyway. They are fighting for their jobs everytime they go out there.

  175. Pov

    I kind of wish he had found a picture of Bobby when he was well.

  176. E-gawa

    “Look at these stats.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl…..qvu5yFCLcF

    Compare with these
    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl…..pyEkCFCLcF

    Now tell me who has been more of a consistent pitcher.

    E-Gawa, I get what you are saying. I just am trying to point out it would be disappointing for the writers to not get this one right. Not that CC winning it would be a travesty, but I think what Greinke has done this year has been great, especially considering the Royals have been brutal.”

    Christina, I don’t think the argument is going to be CC vs Greinke.. I think it’s going to be Greinke vs this guy:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7487

    And with my other examples.. 2 wins is all it can take.

  177. Non-Stop

    I wonder if they will even take Marte on the ALDS roster, especially if they only consider him a LOOGY.

    Detroit only has one lefty to worry about anyway in Granderson. They may end up taking Gaudin and Joba.

  178. Dennis from the Bronx

    Thanks Pete for choosing Bobby. Rest in Peace, Number 1.

  179. jennifer

    Ryan (Boston)

    Amy, any chance we see some fireworks tonight? NY has hit 10 Boston batters and we have yet to see any retaliation.

    Amy K. Nelson (2:45 PM)

    Great question … Red Sox players were, um, very upset last series in NY…one player told me he expected retaliation and it never came, in large part because of how the series went. Not sure, there’s a lot still these teams need to accomplish, but I can tell you this: Red Sox are relishing chance to celebrate at Yankee Stadium and they will tear that place apart, if they do it on Sat, wonder if we’ll see any repercussions in Sunday’s game?

    ************************

    This was worth a report. *if* they tore the place apart who pays to fix it? Classy bunch those red soxs. Thankfully they won’t be around to see if they clinch. Texas’s game should be over well after ours. The Clubbies should kick them out right away.

  180. Pov

    Aren’t alot of the CY young votes already in? I’m not sure that the final efforts have much or any impact on the voting as they are looking at the whole season.

  181. E-gawa

    Christina, I don’t think the argument is going to be CC vs Greinke.. I think it’s going to be Greinke vs Felix Hernandez.

    2 wins is all it can take.. If lets say Felix gets 1 or 2 more wins and Grienke is stuck at 15 or even 16. Past years have sided with guys like Felix.

  182. Mike A.

    Oh, and watch Tex play 1st base. He’s incredibly athletic. I understand that Mauer has to crouch for 9 innings. But he does not do what Tex does.

    ===================================================

    Yes, he does. Mauer does everything Tex does, except better.

  183. Golden

    Miss ya Bobby, RIP. Great win today.

  184. BBFan

    “If Greinke doesn’t get the Cy Young this year, they need to pull all voting privileges from the writers. He’s had 6 starts where he allowed 1 run or less and couldn’t get a win. That total domination in the game that’s being played now.”

    I was surprised to see in the YES postgame report that CC has 20 quality starts and Greinke has 18. Felix has 23.

  185. murphydog

    Bobby Murcer will be the first to arrive when all the good ghosts return this October and fill the new Stadium with the mystique and aura that’s been missing since 2001. You’ll know he’s there when that first 2009 Yankee post season home run hits the right field seats.

  186. Eric

    The Yankees can’t “kick them out”… especially when the Texas game is going to probably end maybe an hour or so after ours. By the time they finish their interviews and all, the Texas game would be over anyway.

    I don’t think MLB will allow us to just throw the out because we don’t want them celebrating in our place.

  187. Christina- Pictures of the Girardi and A-Rod ejection + Leiter's Sock

    I am curious what their definition of “quality” entails.

  188. Yanks 128

    Yankee-Sox games last 4 hours. And they’ll probably be a rain delay to start it anyway.

    Texas’ game starts at 3. They can still celebrate if they clinch. It’s not like Texas’ game is at 8 PM.

  189. gayle

    if the weather in NY tomorrow is anything like the weather I have experienced here in Charlotte today I will be surprised if they get the game in. here it was misting all day and then periods of heavy rain followed by mist. It will be interesting to see if they get it in.

  190. Night Owl

    Yankees don’t want the Sox to celebrate in our clubhouse?

    Well, then beat them. Paul Byrd has a 1.9 WHIP. Smack him around tomorrow and don’t even give them the opportunity to wait for the Texas game.

  191. The Captain

    Pete – This is why I am going to miss you BIG TIME! Great choice! Love Bobby, a Great Yankee.

  192. GreenBeret7

    Boston has a flight to Toronto tomorrow for a Monday night game. If they lose tomorrow, they aren’t hanging around Yankee Stadium for another 4 hours to watch TV. As far as “tearing up the clubhouse”, that’s BS. Number one, there will be Yankee personnel in the clubhouse. They’ll also get a bill for any and all damages and then, the team will most likely get a fine.

  193. stuart

    how come not much chatter that cashman is a moron lately????

    not trading joba or hughes for santana along with others how did that work out?

    how about not getting cameron in center field?

    how about trusting young guys in the pen???

    I guess cashman is not that dumb after all, not as smart as theo the genius but what can you do..

  194. Tom in N.J.

    Tearing up the place because they finished 2nd?

  195. Lisa

    Aw Pete, you have me in tears. I love/d Bobby Murcer! Great choice, and lovely sentiment.

    For the record, you had me in tears, too, with the announcement that you’re leaving the blog. I’ve only commented a couple of times, but I’m a daily reader and often have your blog refreshing during the game. It won’t be the same. Those are some big shoes to fill, and while I’m sure Sam is a great writer, he’s not you. I’ll miss you lots, and it makes it even worse where you’re going. Sigh. Having said all of that, GOOD LUCK to you! I wish you the best, I just wish it was still with the Yanks.

  196. jennifer

    Green- I think you mean if they win. ;-) Well if Texas wins tonight, it won’t matter if the soxs win tomorrow. They won’t be able to clinch. So root your hard for the Rangers to win tonight.

  197. m

    Who said that the Sox were going to “trash” the place. Do anything beyond the champagne shower?

    Papi said something, but could he have been figuratively speaking?

  198. dennis-Costanza

    GB7.

    The Sox have a long history of tearing down clubhouses, burning villages, hijacking oil rigs and stepping on pigeons in Central Park…

    Congrats on two solid wins the last few days. I didn’t realize Varitek’s Dad had that poor of an arm??

    -dennis

  199. BBFan

    “Boston has a flight to Toronto tomorrow for a Monday night game. If they lose tomorrow, they aren’t hanging around Yankee Stadium for another 4 hours to watch TV.”

    If they lose they can not clich WC. So, no need to wait.

  200. XLJ

    Non-Stop
    September 26th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
    I wonder if they will even take Marte on the ALDS roster, especially if they only consider him a LOOGY.

    Detroit only has one lefty to worry about anyway in Granderson. They may end up taking Gaudin and Joba.

    ——————————-

    Girardi already said Joba will be on the alds roster even if they take series a where they only need 3 starters. It would be interesting to see how they use Joba in the alds. Do they use him as a long man or has a 1 inning reliever.

  201. Rick

    John Henry is a billionaire. You think he cares if he gets fined a few thousand for wrecking the Yankees clubhouse? He probably will tell the players to wreck it and he’ll pay for it.

  202. Ryan

    C.C. Cy young hands down. How can you not win the Cy Young when you dont lose after the all star break…that is simply unbelievable.
    Not to mention the fact that every game is pressure when your pitching in N.Y. in a pennant race where most great pitchers come and end up crumbling under the pressure.
    Zack Greinke didnt have any pressure this year because his starts made no difference. His team wasnt going to win no matter what so it all means absolutely nothing. Pressure is everything in baseball because even though its a team sport, with the game on the line its all individual.

  203. GreenBeret7

    dennis-Costanza
    September 26th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
    GB7.

    The Sox have a long history of tearing down clubhouses, burning villages, hijacking oil rigs and stepping on pigeons in Central Park…

    Congrats on two solid wins the last few days. I didn’t realize Varitek’s Dad had that poor of an arm??

    -dennis

    ————————————————————

    Dennis, hope all other things are going well with you and Ms Amy, this weekend.

    I’m not as shocked by today’s game as I was the way they knocked Lester around, last night, as well as his disappearing command. Watching NYY, especially Jeter and Rodriguez run at will was the shocker. I thought Cabrera, Gardner and even Damon, maybe Jeter and Rodriguez once each, but, there were about 4-5 other times that they could have run.

    It’s good to see that Lester was alright after getting hammered on the leg. I thought for sure it was a knee or upper shin. That would have been ugly.

    Surprising that NYY didn’t run much at all today. Tomorrow should be fun, but, rather anti-climatic. Texas has one chance at overtaking Boston, but, I’m not giving them much of a chance, there.

  204. minnesota yankee fan

    Bobby it is! Good game today; great season! On to October! Go Yanks!

  205. 86w183

    the four starters are locks as are Mariano, Hughes, Aceves and Coke.

    The question comes down to the final two guys from the group of Marte, Bruney, Robertson and Gaudin. Just because Robertson has been cleared to pitch doesn’t mean he’s going to be effective after the layoff nor does anyone really know how he’ll bounce back from an outing.

  206. Medical Hair Restoration

    Rangers 5
    Rays 3

  207. Jeremy

    Greetings from Cleveland!

    Look what this Sox fan said about today’s game:

    This is why no one here is missing C.C “Cheeseburger CheeseBurger”Sabathia. Every season for 10years he had a horrible month couldn’t buy a out. Then he moved to NY and start shooting up on the juice with A-Hole. If the Red Sox’s Championship are tainted {They Not by the way} Then C.C’s Cy Young award is tainted. Everyone here in cleveland knows he’s on the “Juice”

    Posted by dbg September 26, 09 04:45 PM

    LOL ! These Sox fans are crazy.

  208. the.brett.garder.explosion.

    grienke getting ROCKED & Ceecer throwing a no-no in his final start will end all this Zach for cy talk.

  209. m

    Well, it just might not matter.

    Byrd just hit a GS on his second HR of the day. 5-3 Texas.

  210. GreenBeret7

    Dennis, I think the ex-Mrs, Varitek would have thrown out more runners than Varitek did. He was never a strong throwing catcher, but, he has gone down the tubes. It’s almost shocking. If NYY doesn’t resign Molina, I’d make a bet that Boston goes after him and dumps Varitek, though, if Bengie Molina is free, he’s a good bet, too.

  211. Jeremy

    Sox fans make up the biggest excuses for their failures. Cubs fans do the same thing.

  212. Medical Hair Restoration

    “C.C “Cheeseburger CheeseBurger”Sabathia”

    I thought Cleveland’s nickname for CC was Chocolate Cake or Chocolate Chunk.

  213. jennifer

    Jermey, that is HYSTERICAL! Maybe CC has done well all season cause he doesn’t have to be the man?

  214. JK

    CC
    Burnett
    Pettitte
    Chamberlain

    Rivera
    Hughes
    Robertson
    Aceves
    Coke
    Gaudin

    Damon
    Jeter
    Tex
    Arod
    Matsui
    Posada
    Cano
    Cabrera :(

    Gardner
    Hairston
    Hinske
    Cervelli
    Molina
    Guzman

  215. m

    How about comeback player of the year?

    Hideki vs. Verlander (?)

  216. haiku-man

    5-3 Tex bot 8th

  217. Mike S.

    …and the ORIGINAL #1….a HOF to boot, would applaud too. None other than the Kentucky Colonel. Earle Combs.

  218. JK

    forgot Swish :(

  219. jennifer

    haiku-man September 26th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    5-3 Tex bot 8th

    ***********

    Did my gameday freeze? it says b 5th?

  220. haiku-man

    meant 5-3 bot of 5th

  221. Medical Hair Restoration

    Rangers 7
    Rays 3

  222. dennis-Costanza

    GB7.

    I agree. His arm is gone and as you said it was not strong to begin with. I really can not wait for the playoffs as the ALDS is such a toss up…

    -dennis

  223. Medical Hair Restoration

    Rangers 8
    Rays 3

  224. haiku-man

    7-3 Tex STILL IN THE 5TH

    LAA 3-2

  225. rb

    “Boston has a flight to Toronto tomorrow for a Monday night game. If they lose tomorrow, they aren’t hanging around Yankee Stadium for another 4 hours to watch TV.”

    Boston goes home after the game tomorrow.

  226. GreenBeret7

    dennis-Costanza
    September 26th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
    GB7.

    I agree. His arm is gone and as you said it was not strong to begin with. I really can not wait for the playoffs as the ALDS is such a toss up…

    -dennis

    ————————————————————

    Boston’s pyscholgical edge vs Varitek’s arm? Such intrege. It will take a lot of stones to sit Varitek in the post season, but, Francona almost has to against the Angels. Martinez isn’t that great at throwing, but, the additional bat and whatever additional arm strength he has is better than Varitek. How the clubhouse excepts that is a different story.

  227. haiku-man

    8-3 Tex still bot 5th

  228. haiku-man

    9-3 Tex still in 5th

  229. jennifer

    Hopefully Texas can hold on and we won’t have to ‘worry’ about the soxs staying to watch the game and damaging our new Cathedral.

  230. Vinny

    Nice win today. RIP Bobby!! You are truly missed. Also if anybody wants to read a great book, i suggest Bobby’s book called “Yankee For Life”… Lets go Yankees!!

  231. GreenBeret7

    rb
    September 26th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
    “Boston has a flight to Toronto tomorrow for a Monday night game. If they lose tomorrow, they aren’t hanging around Yankee Stadium for another 4 hours to watch TV.”

    Boston goes home after the game tomorrow.

    ————————————————————

    My mistake on the location, but, if NYY wins, they aren’t hanging around to watch TV when they could be back in Boston before the Texas game ends.

  232. haiku-man

    12-3 Tex still bot of 5th

  233. rb

    Holy crap. 12-3 Did TX score all of the runs in the 5th with 2 out?!

  234. jennifer

    green- If the Yankees win, than the soxs wouldn’t be able to clinch. Right now it looks pretty good for us. Texas is winning big, while it is still early the lead is huge.

  235. Bronx Jeers

    Not looking good for the Sox plan to de-flower the new clubhouse.

  236. jennifer

    Am I reading it right. All 11 runs scored with 2 outs?

  237. rb

    GB7, probably not. But the weather may not cooperate tomorrow. The game could easily be delayed It’s doubtful it will be an issue though with Texas trouncing the Rays tonight.

  238. rb

    That’s hou I read it too, jennifer. Crazy if we’re reading it right.

  239. rb

    *how

  240. hey kelvin says

    Club house reaction, anytime soon?

  241. Backbench

    re the CC for CY debate, IMO, context must again be considered.

    Greinke has 15 wins. 9 have come against teams with losing records, including Pitt, Balt, Oakland and Cleveland (2). It would seem to me that his ERA has been ‘helped’ by the fact that he spends a lot of time pitching to lineups not recognized for hitting.

    If you consider where CC got his wins, the ERA distinction seems less dramatic.

  242. GreenBeret7

    jennifer
    September 26th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
    green- If the Yankees win, than the soxs wouldn’t be able to clinch. Right now it looks pretty good for us. Texas is winning big, while it is still early the lead is huge.

    ————————————————————

    Wasn’t watching the Texas scores that closely.

  243. jennifer

    Green- Don’t forget Red Sox magic number is 3. To clinch tomorrow they’d need Texas to lose today and tomorrow, and to win tomorrow. Right now not looking good for them.

  244. jennifer

    Now it is 13-3 I think it is pretty safe to say they won’t be celebrating in our house!

  245. haiku-man

    Somebody must have told Tex Sawx lost again
    13-3 bottom of 6th.

    4-2,LAA

  246. rb

    jennifer September 26th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Now it is 13-3 I think it is pretty safe to say they won’t be celebrating in our house!

    —————

    Well it certainly looks that way. :)

  247. m

    Tebow taken to the hospital with an injury.

    Why was he in there in the first place? Under the weather and they were blowing the other team out.

  248. haiku-man

    7-2 LAA

  249. GreenBeret7

    Jenn, I wasn’t really paying much attention to the texas game. Last time I looked, they were down, 3-0. I was bouncing between the Oakland/Angels game and Colorado/St. Louis game. Listening to the Tampa/Texas broadcast teams gets me somewhat irritated.

  250. jennifer

    What happened to Pete. The game ended hours ago.

  251. m

    “I don’t think my pitching was entirely bad,” he said through a translator. “It was a step in the right direction.”

    Joba can translate Japanese? :P

  252. haiku-man

    9-2 LAA

  253. Drive 4-5

    A great choice for #1. Bobby and his close friend Thurman would love this team. Like them, it has a lot of heart.

    I’d like to see the Yanks give Joba his next start on Wednesday and them let him get into a game out of the bullpen on his throw day in Tampa. That way, he’d be a little more ready to help out of the pen in the ALDS.

  254. m

    jennifer,

    I sneaked a peak at another NY paper. CC got the belt, but passed it on to Cano.

    Cano said that when he hears CC is pitching he wants to go out there and fight. :?

  255. kav

    If the cardinals play the yanks in word series who will molina’s parents cheer for, and who will their 3rd brother cheer for?

  256. haiku-man

    La Russa has his starting pitcher still in the 8th inning with 119 pitches so far.

  257. m

    Is the WS on Fox? Lord help us if the Yankees & Cardinals meet up on Fox. Buck & McCarver?

  258. Hank Steinbrenner

    i love when pete says “be back in a bit with clubhouse reaction” and doesnt come back for hours, gunna miss him.

  259. Rick

    Ha Ha Ha… now the Sox have to “trash” their own clubhouse if they want to clinch… karma. Now they get to watch us clinch right in front of them.

    Next time learn kids, don’t talk up to a team 6 games better than you. Be civil to your elders.

  260. Jonathan

    Miss you Bobby

  261. Shdw

    Wainwright is legit

  262. Tom in N.J.

    “Scholars study Springsteen during weekend event”

    Maybe Pete’s there?

    http://www.google.com/hostedne.....AD9AV9AA80

  263. Nick von Clausewitz in SF

    Wouldn’t you want to go out there and fight for the guy who always goes out there and fights for you?

    As for Papi, he never really planned to trash our clubhouse, he just wasn’t going to rinse out the blender after he made his milkshake.

  264. ew

    As Pete is about to execute a reverseDamon he makes one more fine choice. Bobby is truly missed.

  265. haiku-man

    -kav

    I asked the same question last night.

  266. GreenBeret7

    Watching the Colorado/St. Louis game. The umpires must be doing an even job tohight. Nobody’s happy with them.

  267. testing

    man we’ve been so accustomed to pete’s constant updates that a couple hrs away and we (atleast i am) are freaking out. Boy its going to be hard to deal with when pete leaves and the updates really dry up.

  268. Jacob X

    Can’t Pete enjoy his dinner at Del Frescos without people nagging him to post some game quotes that you can find on an AP wire with a simple google search?

  269. jennifer

    New York also said A.J. Burnett will be pushed back one day in the starting rotation to Tuesday. That allows him to be with his father, who is scheduled for triple-bypass surgery Monday.

    *******

    Yankees have to clinch tomorrow, the leader of the new crew has to be there.

  270. haiku-man

    15-3 Tex no Sawx celebration at Yankee stadium

  271. steve

    Would they wait for Burnett to come back before they celebrate?

    I mean, it seems kind of tacky to manufacture a celebration like that, but who knows.

    win tomorrow and make life easier.

  272. NITRO

    What is everyone watching tomorrow? Yankees? Giants? Jets? Mets?

    All 4 are on at 1 PM

  273. jennifer

    NO CELEBRATION FOR YOU RED SOXS!

  274. Nick von Clausewitz in SF

    It’s genius time. Bust out the super-scheme!

  275. jennifer

    Watching the Jets with the Yankees on my PIP

  276. haiku-man

    9-7 LAA TOP 6TH

  277. JJ

    The point of the celebration is to enjoy the moment immediately after it happens. To know that you worked so hard all season to clinch the AL East and you finally did and see how excited everyone is.

    If you give it a day to sink in, it will be really lame. You want to see how they react in the moment. It’s not just spraying alcohol on eachother for the hell of it, it is to celebrate an accomplishment.

    Whenever they clinch, they should celebrate right then and there.

  278. Micro

    By the time the Giants/Jets are over, the Yankee game will be in the 5th inning. With Byrd on the mound and assorted scrubs like Bowden and Hunter Jones to follow, maybe even earlier.

    Plenty of time to see the final innings and celebration. Enjoy the football first. Flip over to see Byrd get rocked during commercials.

  279. Clare

    Jennifer,

    What! I’m shocked. Plenty of time for football after the baseball season is over. :)

    At least put the Yanks in the main picture to watch them clinch.

  280. Nick von Clausewitz in SF

    I was being sarcastic. :mad:

  281. jennifer

    Clare, well I’ll be flipping over during the commercials and when they clinch I’ll be watching!

  282. m

    Candidates for proxy pie man if they don’t clinch tom?

  283. Betsy

    Swisher………I hope they can clinch tomorrow so AJ can throw that banana cream pie in Joe’s face, but he’s got other things on his mind, so I doubt he cares.

  284. haiku-man

    LAA 9-8 A’s coming back

  285. GreenBeret7

    I can’t imagine why anyone would be watching the Mets, other than for the sheer comedy. It certainly can’t be to see what new ways they’ve found to lose. After 90 loses, there can’t be many different ways left to lose.

  286. MC

    Why are all 4 games on at the same time?

  287. zmaster

    Remember Yankee fans.. when/if we clinch tomorrow… the real celebration should be a world series one.. CANT WAIT!!!

  288. Shdw

    A’s tied it at 9

  289. jennifer

    MC

    Giants, Mets, and Yankees were all originally set for 1pm. Jets were going to be set for 4pm. But since it is a Jewish Holiday, it was moved to 1pm.

  290. vtyankeefan-the original!!

    Bobby Murcer, great choice for magic number 1. Had to go out so TIVO’d end of the game. Outstanding game for Sabathia. Rivera just blew Lowell away to end the game.

  291. nettles

    Classy choice, Pete!

  292. GMAN

    Bravo and well done Scribe Abraham!

    Bobby Murcer…a beautiful human being!!!!

  293. GMAN

    You have chose wisely Scribe Abraham!
    Bobby Murcer awesome man to this long time Yankee Fan!

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