Comments on: Joba: “If they want me to fold towels, I’ll fold towels” (with audio) http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:59:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Yeah http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/comment-page-2/#comment-1061264 Yeah Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:47:24 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=18699#comment-1061264 Joba needs a new cap. The one he's been wearing looks like his mom cooked meth in it. Joba needs a new cap. The one he’s been wearing looks like his mom cooked meth in it.

]]> By: Jim http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/comment-page-2/#comment-1060949 Jim Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:36:44 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=18699#comment-1060949 I am really disappointed that Joba was so horrible last night. He looked lost on the mound. Girardi and staff's unorthodox, yet well intended, handling of Joba these last several weeks was finally revealed as fruitless and probably damaging to his confidence and usefulness in the postseason. I don't see how Girardi can trust him to start a "do or die" game 4. Gaudin is more reliable at this point. If he is relegated to bullpen duty, which Joba can we expect to see--the timid Joba from the '09 starting rotation or the wild eyed, youthful flame throwing Joba of '07 and '08. He hasn't come out of the pen in ages, and the team doesn’t have any more time during the regular season to test him, since he will need a few days to recover from the 70+ pitches he threw last night. There are too many other good, reliable arms available right now to take a chance on “what might be” with Joba now. He is a good pitcher who has been mishandled and has, unfortunately, not shown the discipline and desire to seize the opportunity given him. I love Girardi and Eiland--they have truly pulled the team together and deserve much credit for the success of this team. I think they blew it with Joba, though. I am really disappointed that Joba was so horrible last night. He looked lost on the mound. Girardi and staff’s unorthodox, yet well intended, handling of Joba these last several weeks was finally revealed as fruitless and probably damaging to his confidence and usefulness in the postseason. I don’t see how Girardi can trust him to start a “do or die” game 4. Gaudin is more reliable at this point. If he is relegated to bullpen duty, which Joba can we expect to see–the timid Joba from the ’09 starting rotation or the wild eyed, youthful flame throwing Joba of ’07 and ’08. He hasn’t come out of the pen in ages, and the team doesn’t have any more time during the regular season to test him, since he will need a few days to recover from the 70+ pitches he threw last night. There are too many other good, reliable arms available right now to take a chance on “what might be” with Joba now. He is a good pitcher who has been mishandled and has, unfortunately, not shown the discipline and desire to seize the opportunity given him. I love Girardi and Eiland–they have truly pulled the team together and deserve much credit for the success of this team. I think they blew it with Joba, though.

]]> By: Boogie Down http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/comment-page-2/#comment-1060920 Boogie Down Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:02:25 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=18699#comment-1060920 Zach, I would pick C. But my post above is what the Yankees should do. Zach,

I would pick C. But my post above is what the Yankees should do.

]]> By: Boogie Down http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/comment-page-2/#comment-1060918 Boogie Down Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:01:06 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=18699#comment-1060918 How about Tampa, then the Arizona Fall League ,and an off-season throwing program. Gaudin or Aceves can be capable 4th starters, and our pen is stacked. IE, we don't need Joba this year. How about Tampa, then the Arizona Fall League ,and an off-season throwing program. Gaudin or Aceves can be capable 4th starters, and our pen is stacked. IE, we don’t need Joba this year.

]]> By: Zach http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/comment-page-2/#comment-1060855 Zach Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:50:11 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=18699#comment-1060855 Wonderful opportunity for a poll. Should Joba: (a) Fold towels (b) Pitch in the post-season (c) Go home to Nebraska and think about it some Wonderful opportunity for a poll. Should Joba:
(a) Fold towels
(b) Pitch in the post-season
(c) Go home to Nebraska and think about it some

]]> By: Tony http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/comment-page-2/#comment-1060782 Tony Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:30:02 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=18699#comment-1060782 i recall other players complaining about his emotional involvement on the mound. sure it looked great and he was hyped…. but can a hyped pitcher have success? Of course a hyped pitcher can have success..it's not about his enthusiasm, he's still a kid. The right question is, is he too stubborn to change his ways. It's very clear that when he's not shaking off his catcher, and just throwing the ball that he can dominate. It's when he thinks he's Greg Maddox and wants to dance around the plate instead of pitching to contact. When he's like this he's tedious to watch..His act is wearing a little thin, I'm tired of the "I thought I pitched really well" crap when his line was 3.2 ip 5h 6r 3k 5bb. Maybe tonight he starts to realize he needs to be more honest with himself! i recall other players complaining about his emotional involvement on the mound. sure it looked great and he was hyped…. but can a hyped pitcher have success?

Of course a hyped pitcher can have success..it’s not about his enthusiasm, he’s still a kid. The right question is, is he too stubborn to change his ways. It’s very clear that when he’s not shaking off his catcher, and just throwing the ball that he can dominate. It’s when he thinks he’s Greg Maddox and wants to dance around the plate instead of pitching to contact. When he’s like this he’s tedious to watch..His act is wearing a little thin, I’m tired of the “I thought I pitched really well” crap when his line was 3.2 ip 5h 6r 3k 5bb. Maybe tonight he starts to realize he needs to be more honest with himself!

]]> By: bardos http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/comment-page-2/#comment-1060778 bardos Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:58:16 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=18699#comment-1060778 what i notice is that most of the best pitchers are men of intelligence, adaptable to circumstances and able to learn. my main question is: is joba intelligent enough to hang on and develop? does he have the emotional intelligence required to be a MBL pitcher? i recall other players complaining about his emotional involvement on the mound. sure it looked great and he was hyped.... but can a hyped pitcher have success? is this simply a sign that he is overwhelmingly emotionally based and lacks the intelligence to survive as a ML pitcher? My feelings at the moment are that I would include him in a trade for Halladay this winter. A CC + Halladay rotation is a nice base to start a 5 man rotation with. what i notice is that most of the best pitchers are men of intelligence, adaptable to circumstances and able to learn.

my main question is: is joba intelligent enough to hang on and develop? does he have the emotional intelligence required to be a MBL pitcher?

i recall other players complaining about his emotional involvement on the mound. sure it looked great and he was hyped…. but can a hyped pitcher have success? is this simply a sign that he is overwhelmingly emotionally based and lacks the intelligence to survive as a ML pitcher?

My feelings at the moment are that I would include him in a trade for Halladay this winter. A CC + Halladay rotation is a nice base to start a 5 man rotation with.

]]> By: Will http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/comment-page-2/#comment-1060774 Will Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:42:50 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=18699#comment-1060774 I have not read it anywhere but my theory is that there is still some discomfort in Joba's shoulder and no one on the Yankees is talking about it. Too many of his fastballs are 91 mph and not 94/95mph. A couple of his FBs tonight were as slow as 89 mph (according to the stats provided in Gameday). I have not read it anywhere but my theory is that there is still some discomfort in Joba’s shoulder and no one on the Yankees is talking about it. Too many of his fastballs are 91 mph and not 94/95mph. A couple of his FBs tonight were as slow as 89 mph (according to the stats provided in Gameday).

]]> By: GreenBeret7 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/comment-page-2/#comment-1060733 GreenBeret7 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:52:27 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=18699#comment-1060733 For the idiots that have decided that because Chamberlain has been a flop in his first two years and by the age of 24, I can provide you with a list of about 40+ names of relatively successful players....including starters, relievers and hitters. Do the names Koufax, Gibson, Guidry, Spahn, Gossage, Lyle, Clemente and Bernie Williams ring any bells? For the idiots that have decided that because Chamberlain has been a flop in his first two years and by the age of 24, I can provide you with a list of about 40+ names of relatively successful players….including starters, relievers and hitters. Do the names Koufax, Gibson, Guidry, Spahn, Gossage, Lyle, Clemente and Bernie Williams ring any bells?

]]> By: m http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/09/30/joba-if-they-want-me-to-fold-towels-ill-fold-towels/comment-page-1/#comment-1060727 m Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:33:38 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=18699#comment-1060727 GF, Oops. I realized too late that you weren't painting us all with the same broad brush. :oops: But, to be fair, many, many people defended Joba for the majority of the season. He has a lot of goodwill because of his potential. People started dumping on him when he started looking lost. Unfortunately it was during the trade talks so people wanted to "upgrade" to Halladay. But they need to figure out why Joba looked so different today than from his last start. We've moved far beyond inconsistency. I'm thoroughly convinced that if Ian Kennedy was stretched out and healthy enough he would've posted a better line today than Joba did. The AAA Cy Young guy, too. Something is not right with Joba, and it's not his age. Not his lack of innings. Not the Joba rules. GF,

Oops. I realized too late that you weren’t painting us all with the same broad brush. :oops:

But, to be fair, many, many people defended Joba for the majority of the season. He has a lot of goodwill because of his potential. People started dumping on him when he started looking lost. Unfortunately it was during the trade talks so people wanted to “upgrade” to Halladay.

But they need to figure out why Joba looked so different today than from his last start. We’ve moved far beyond inconsistency. I’m thoroughly convinced that if Ian Kennedy was stretched out and healthy enough he would’ve posted a better line today than Joba did. The AAA Cy Young guy, too. Something is not right with Joba, and it’s not his age. Not his lack of innings. Not the Joba rules.

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