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The “old” Joba

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Oct 04, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees would love to believe that the Joba Chamberlain who threw high-90s fastballs today and breezed through an inning in seven pitches is the one who will show up if he’s needed in a big spot later this week. If he is, it means their bullpen becomes even more of a weapon.

But what if he isn’t? Chamberlain’s performance today in St. Pete just makes it even harder for Joe Girardi and the Yankees to know what they’ve got. If Chamberlain hadn’t pitched, you could almost see the decision being easy for Girardi – he could keep Chamberlain in low-pressure situations, if he used him at all, and it would easy to understand why.

Now it’s more complex. If the Yankees need a big out (or three) in the middle innings of a playoff game, it’s going to be hard for Girardi to ignore Chamberlain, even though his inconsistency has been … well, consistent.

Let’s say it’s the sixth inning, the Yankees have just rallied to take a 6-5 lead and the starter is done. Do you go to Chamberlain and figure he’s got the fire coming out of the pen? Or do you have more confidence in someone else?

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FYI, here’s the TV schedule for the first four days of the playoffs (with the Yankees taking the longer series even though it is not “official” yet. All games on TBS.)

Wednesday, October 7
2:37 p.m. Game 1 – Rockies at Phillies
6:07 p.m. Game 1 – Tigers/Twins at Yankees
9:37 p.m. Game 1 – Cardinals at Dodgers

Thursday, October 8
2:37 p.m Game 2 – Rockies at Phillies
6:07 p.m. Game 2 – Cardinals at Dodgers
9:37 p.m. Game 1 – Red Sox at Angels

Friday, October 9
6:07 p.m. Game 2 – Tigers/Twins at Yankees
9:37 p.m. Game 2 – Red Sox at Angels

Saturday, October 10
6:07 p.m. Game 3 – Dodgers at Cardinals
9:37 p.m. Game 3 – Phillies at Rockies

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127 Responses to “The “old” Joba”

  1. Mike A. October 4th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    It was seven pitches. Seven!

    A close game in the 6th inning should be Aceves’ spot.

  2. Joe October 4th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    We should give Joba the 7th and Hughes the 8th. So we need 6 from the starter/Ace/Robertson/Coke and others

  3. Wait till the ALDS October 4th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    This outing convinced me of nothing. Any pitcher could have one good outing.

  4. jennifer October 4th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    I don’t even know what channel TBS is. Now i have to find it. :lol: Why won’t MLB allow home teams to broadcast the game. As much as I complain about Kay, I hate national broadcasters, they know ZIP about our team.

  5. JJ October 4th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    I wouldn’t exactly call 9:37 PM start for an East Coast game “coveted”.

    Would MLB even let a game in the Eastern time zone start that late?

    This was the only reasonable time spot for us.

  6. Yank1 October 4th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Ron Darling is a very good broadcaster

    Carey is the one who could ruin the broadcast.

  7. A.B.K October 4th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Think about it, The Twins and Tigers are just 10 phocan games over 500 and the Yankees are 44 over. I just hope the Red Sox beat the Monkey-Angels.

  8. eric October 4th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    i missed joba’s inning, how hard was he throwing?

  9. Erica - always OPPC October 4th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    DT-

    You should send that wins by day chart to Cashman. The Yanks MUST start the ALDS on Wednesday. Those 19 wins cannot be denied

  10. Wait till the ALDS October 4th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Honestly, I’ve never cared to much about broadcasters. This is the PLAYOFFS. The broadcasters could say what they want.

  11. Trevor (Super Mario) October 4th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    At 6 o’clock in NY it’s getting dark anyway. Not really much of a day game.
    Just happy it’s not an afternoon game. Yankees had one of those afternoon playoff games a few years ago. The atmosphere was no where near as electric as a night playoff game at YS.

  12. Louis S. October 4th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    In regards to the question posed, I think you do. I was unable to watch the game but after reading his small stat line, I’m impressed he was able to dial it up to 95. Granted he only through 7 pitches, but it still
    looks like he was able to warm his arm enough that he could have that blistering fastball and sharp breaking ball. I could see him given an important 6th or 7th inning if Robertson or Aceves is unable to make the relief outing. Will this relief stint just be for the ALDS though?

  13. Free Mike Vick October 4th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    i would have no problem giving the ball to joba…none what so ever!

  14. Jeremy October 4th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Why are the Angels pitching Lackey game 1 against the Red Sox and Lester ? The guy has bad numbers against the Sox and he’s not the best pitcher on the staff.

  15. Free Mike Vick October 4th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    i missed joba’s inning, how hard was he throwing?
    ———————–
    joba hit 96 on the gun

  16. Pat M. October 4th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    I take it back, my baseball viewing days start at 11:37 AM……Nick in SF……I should have followed your lead Nicky boy

  17. E-gawa October 4th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    I wouldn’t call that the “old” Joba. It was more like the “New” Joba in relief. His velocity was still down, he topped out at 96.

    Where they use him? I hope they don’t have to. I’d like to see CC, AJ-Hughes-MO, Pettitte-Hughes-MO

  18. MikeC October 4th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    Gameday has Joba topping out at 94.5mph. That’s good… or better than he was… but it’s also not “old” Joba, throwing 97-98mph out of the pen.

  19. Sony October 4th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Aceves has earned that role. An entire season of effectiveness trumps seven pitches worth of the “old Joba” in a 10-2 game. Still, I think today’s appearance will count for something when it comes to figuring out those games that don’t fit the formula. Say the game goes 13 innings, the A-list relievers have all been used, and Girardi needs someone else to throw up a zero. I think after today he’d be less afraid to call on Joba.

  20. Bo Knows October 4th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    A little known fact.

    When you go to a restaraunt in Melbourne, you bring your own wine. The most reasonable good wine in the world. Compared to on site, the wine they export is swill. And the food is to die for. Very strict preservative laws.
    Oatmeal tastes good.

    In Perth, you can have fried bananas fresh from the back yard.

    The aesthetic appreciation of the beaches starts in Adelaide, Bondi beach meh.

  21. Wait till the ALDS October 4th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Repost:

    Random, but this is amazing, so…

    I just read the most insane story ever. It was in Chicken Soup for the Teenage Soul II (Tennage nephew recommended the story; he was right). It was about this dude named Mike Powell who grew up on the streets in LA raising his 7 siblings while his abusive, cocaine addicted father and drug addict mother moved them into homes with prostitiutes, drug addicts and murderers. Mike Powell had to raise his family in the middle of all this, taking on all the responsibilities of a father to the other children. When this started he was 8 years old.

    That doesn’t reveal half the insanity of it. Read the story. It’s incredible.

  22. A.B.K October 4th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    EITHER WE FACE THE TWINS OR TIGERS ON WEDNESDAY THEY’LL BOTH BE TIRED, DEAD AND EXHAUSTED, AFTER THEIR FPM GAME ON TUESDAY THEY HAVE TO FLY LETS SAY 10pm FROM MIN TO NY WHERE THEY WILL NOT ARRIVE BEFORE 3am, AND HEY DUDE HOW ABOUT AN EXTRA INNING GAME BETWEEN TWINS AND TIGERS, LMAO.

  23. S.A.--Serenity Now October 4th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    Jobber Jobber Jobber

  24. jennifer October 4th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    I point to a game on August 4, 2008 when Joba’s career turned around for the worse. Pudge was catching him in this game. He threw the ball through to second to try to get a base stealer, and Joba had to dive to the ground. Joba left the game two innings later. http://www.baseball-reference......8040.shtml Ever since than his velocity has been down.

  25. master bra'tac October 4th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    I forgot that Arod’s first in season hit of 2009 was a grand slam and his final hit of the 2009 regular season is a grand slam

  26. 100 pitches of fun... October 4th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    The 7th inning should be Robertson’s he has earned it. If it was the 6th inning than I would send Joba out there. I don’t like Aceves pitching late in the game you need someone that throws hard. I know Joba only faced 3 batters today but he had a much different look to him. He was throwing hard, aggressive and attacking the hitters. I also think Joba does his best in games that mean something. His best games last season and this season have been against the Sox. I think the big question is in that situation who would Girardi trust more Bruney or Joba?

  27. rb October 4th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    Alex first hit in 2009 was a 3 run HR.

  28. Abdababdaserser October 4th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    “master bra’tac October 4th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    I forgot that Arod’s first in season hit of 2009 was a grand slam and his final hit of the 2009 regular season is a grand slam”

    ______________

    Not quite. The first hit of the season for him was a 3 run HR.

    The Yankees didn’t have many GS this year.

  29. Abdababdaserser October 4th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    I think Girardi will go with the situation as to who he will pitch out of the bullpen. It will depend on lead, batter, how the batters have done against a particular pitcher and so on.

    The only thing I worry about is that he over thinks things at times.

    Its going to be strange not having any baseball tomorrow night to watch. Tuesday will be an interesting game. The Twins offense has really heated up. Will they be able to keep up that pace?

    I also wonder what happened to Miguel Cabrera. He was sporting a bruise on his face, and they didn’t want to talk about it.

  30. Roid Sox October 4th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Joba in the 7th Hughes in the 8th Mo in the 9th
    27th WC in three weeks.

  31. valis2374 October 4th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    “It Depends.”

    The Yankees have taken a decidedly small lead in the sixth inning. OK. Who is coming to the plate? How well is the team playing defensively? (Do we need a strikeout pitcher, someone who can induce ground balls, &c?) Who is doing well lately?

    Baseball is so incredibly situational that this situation requires some contextual analysis. The Yankees are fortunate to have fewer question marks in their bullpen by virtue of experience. Chamberlain knows (and statistics show) who he fares well against.

  32. EvoLuTioN October 4th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    joba in the pen means no aceves in these 1 inning close situations. Sorry but pitching to contact is not what we need there. I would love to see 6th-Robertson or Joba, 7th-Robertson or Joba, 8th-Hughes, 9th-Mariano

  33. Betsy October 4th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Why should Joba get the 7th over Robertson?

  34. BFARBS October 4th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    If there isn’t a 7 oclock or 8 oclock option its better that it starts at 6 rather than 930.

  35. Carl October 4th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    Cano Molina A-Rod are the slams

  36. pat October 4th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    “Manager Joe Maddon said that in Teixeira’s first plate appearance in the sixth inning, “It kind of looked like (Wade) Davis conceded the at-bat to him” and wound up walking him. Later in the inning, the Rays intentionally walked Teixeira to load the bases for Alex Rodriguez, who already had homered. Maddon didn’t like the matchup of Teixeira on RHP Andy Sonnanstine, and when asked if he would have walked Teixeira if first base weren’t open, Maddon said, “I may have still walked him, absolutely. That was not going to get away from us.”

    http://www.tampabay.com/sports.....os/1041495

    Before today, Tex had a .273 BA against Sonnanstine with 2 HRs and 4 Ks. Alex had a .308 BA with 1 HR and 0Ks. Not quibbling about the result but Maddon should just be honest.

  37. jennifer October 4th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    pat if he was honest, he’d admit they used the Yankees for target practice all weekend and were looking to start a brawl.

  38. Rishi October 4th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    jennifer October 4th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    pat if he was honest, he’d admit they used the Yankees for target practice all weekend and were looking to start a brawl.
    ===============

    and that his priority in that situation was preserving the co-lead for Pena. He can’t really think he was going to be able to come back from 6-2 (and that it mattered)- this is,in fact,the perfect time to see if Sonnenstine can get out Tex. At that point, match ups go out the window and you are just trying to get to the end of the game.

  39. Nick in SF October 4th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    It’s true, Pudge was a mole who tried to bring down out franchise. :mad:

  40. Betsy October 4th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    LOL I taped Baseball Tonight’s Yankee segment and haven’t watched it yet, but apparently they said that Phil Hughes has no post-season experience. Wow.

  41. jennifer October 4th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Rishi yep that too! Those apparently were their two priorities. Keep Tex from hitting a homerun, and ‘payback’ for Pena being lost for the season. They seem to forget that Pena was swinging at the pitch.

    It was clear as day to me that they were trying to start something you don’t go up and in a few times, and hit a player in the same spot twice and not have clear intent.

  42. jennifer October 4th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Betsy

    LOL what buffoons, 2007 he was the only Yankee pitcher to record a win!

  43. RalphieD (OPPC) October 4th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    “LOL I taped Baseball Tonight’s Yankee segment and haven’t watched it yet, but apparently they said that Phil Hughes has no post-season experience. Wow.”

    they did also call him a beast…much praise for phil they gave

  44. 100 pitches of fun... October 4th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    Late in the game Pena was at the plate and a ball came very close to hitting him and he jumped out of the way. They showed Girardi in the dugout and he had a look on his face like are you freaking kidding me??! So let’s see Tex got hit, Hairston 2 times, a ball was right at Matsui’s head, up and in on Pena. What a joke. Maddon is a loser..

  45. jennifer October 4th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Yep Joe was clearly ticked by the turn of events this weekend. All weekend they were needling the Yankees trying to get a pitcher to retaliate. You know full well if CC hit someone or came close they would have started a brawl.

  46. Betsy October 4th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Ralphie, glad to hear it, but that is a terrible mistake……….really inexcusable

  47. Mark H October 4th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    I look forward to going out on Friday night watching the Yanks hopefully go up 2-0, and getting to relax watching the Sox and Angels go at it. Should be a fun night at the bar.

  48. 100 pitches of fun... October 4th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    I was actually very surprised that nothing came close to hitting Arod. He is usually the player that teams mess with.

  49. Betsy October 4th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    The Rays clearly do not know the right way to play the game. Integrity? What integrity? Everyone in his right mind knows that the Rays simply wanted to deny Tex his chance to win the HR title outright……like Tex will spend anytime caring about it? Is this going to make Pena sleep better at night? Instead of trying to win the game and go out on a positive note, the Rays focus on enacting some sort of revenge? Are they all a bunch of 5 year olds? This is the kind of thing Maddon wants to teach them?

  50. davidson October 4th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Sam could you be more negative?

    We are aware of Joba’s troubles.He didn’t forget how to pitch,so Joe wants his arm to help.He won’t be throwing 100
    pitches anyway.

  51. Nick in SF October 4th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    You could be back in business, Pat M.

  52. Wang IS Taiwan October 4th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    Joba’s earned nothing out of the pen. Big deal, he threw 7 pitches. IMO, Aces gets in a game before Joba.

  53. Abdababdaserser October 4th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Maddon won’t tell the truth because his stupid move killed that game for them. He should get hammered for it, but I guarantee the mediots will be praising him for protecting Pena’s HR record. They will of course ignore that he killed his pitchers because of it.

    Most players wouldn’t want it to be such a disingenuous move as that.

  54. dennis-Costanza October 4th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    I guess 4-0 against the line starts to be taken for granted.

    C’mon Yankee People.

    -dennis

  55. Pat M. October 4th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Nick in SF, It’s just amazing how The Steelers cannot salt away teams ….Reminds of how I lost on them in The Super Bowl…

  56. Abdababdaserser October 4th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Maddon is immature, despite the formerly gray hair. His reputation is not going to be very high from actions such as that.

    Competitors like things decided on the field, not through a petty move called by a childish manager.

  57. Nick in SF October 4th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    dennis: did you have a call in this game? Please expand and explain your remarks.

  58. JK October 4th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    LOL when exactly did 93-95 become a high 90s fastball? Joba was doing that in the rotation 2 starts ago!

    Joba’s average fastball this year according to fangraphs is 92.5 (just like Halladay, Lincecum, Cain & Gallardo), which means he has been TOUCHING 95-96 most of the year.

    When he pitches at 90-92 mph his mechanics are all screwed up, which is obvious because he also has no fastball command along with the diminished velocity.

    What we saw today was the same post injury bullpen Joba that we saw last year. The pre injury bullpen Joba was 95-100 mph, and the pre injury rotation Joba was 94-98 mph. He also doesn’t throw his 90-92 mph 2 seam fastball to get ground balls when he’s in the pen.

    That being said, it comes down to command of pitches. Lincecum is down 2-3 mph on his avg. fastball this year just like Joba and no one says a thing because he still gets the job done.

  59. Louis S. October 4th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    Its definitely going to be interesting to see, hopefully he goes into the offseason, see what changes he has to make to his training program and regimen and come back next season with a body and shoulder that is prepared for the season.

  60. Seven October 4th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    Joba is a lock for the alds. People who said big deal he had one nice outing out of the bullpen. I bet if Joba struggled in the game everybody would be killing him and wanting him off the roster.

    Bottom line is Joba has a 1.50 career era out of the bullpen. He is a much better reliever than Robertson, Aceves and Coke. You much rather have Joba pitch the 7th in the alds.

  61. Pat M. October 4th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Joe Maddon’s ego took a beating this season……A chump way trying to save face…..Alex delivered the knock out punch….In Major Way

  62. MG October 4th, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    I love the way everyone is assigning innings to different relief pitchers and completely forgetting that the Yankees starters average 6+ innings per start and CC is usually good for 7+. In the ALDS, with the days off between starts, why wouldn’t Hughes be able to throw 1+ innings and Mo the 9th? That pretty much takes care of the need for relief pitching in a game where the Yankees are ahead. And, if they need a pitcher for one batter in a specific situation, it is likely they will use matchups to decide which reliever to use-the Yankees have the benefit of having multiple guys that are all capable of getting an important out.

    This isn’t an intra-team competition, they are all on the same pitching staff and Girardi, Pena, and Eiland have done a terrific job of piecing together a dominant bullpen during the season, they’ll put the right guy in the right situation in the playoffs.

  63. Nick in SF October 4th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Wang IS Taiwan, the calculation is not which pitcher between Joba and Ace has been the better soldier all season; when Girardi makes the call to the bullpen in the ALDS, the sole calculation will be, which pitcher does he trust more to deliver in that situation.

    If it’s about a single inning (being the bridge to Phil Hughes) I would not be shocked if Mr. Girardi decides that Joba will get the ball at least once. But who knows what the situation will be? Maybe Andy starts to labor after 5 innings and they will both be needed. Maybe AJ looks rocky after 3… so many different scenarios.

    I agree; Joba at this point has earned little, but at this point, as has always been the case, I think he will be with the big club because they think he can contribute to the bottom line.

  64. dennis-Costanza October 4th, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    NickSF.

    I gave 4 picks today. All covered.

    5-stars-Det/Chi and Buff/Miami both overs.

    2x. Balt/NE over

    Bears -10. (small play)

    7-1 on the weekend with yesterday. All posted.

    That means stay far away from my picks next weekend!

    -dennis

  65. Jeremy October 4th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    The Yankees have the best bullpen in the AL in my opinion.

  66. Nick in SF October 4th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    dennis, big props to you, but the way you made your comment just now, I thought you meant either Pat M or I had gone against a pick specific to this game.

    I have not been well today, I have to admit. Last evening I yelled myself hoarse in the cold for a doomed cause… another January 1st will be spent far from the warm climes of Pasadena.

  67. dennis-Costanza October 4th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Nick.

    No chance. Since when I have I been confrontational? Just hoping you guys rode the picks. That is why I post them.

    -dennis

  68. Backbench October 4th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    “Yep Joe was clearly ticked by the turn of events this weekend.

    It is often noted that Girardi carries his notebook around with him always and writes everything down.

    Wonder what the “Memo for 1st 2010 ST game with Rays” has to say.

  69. Nick in SF October 4th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    No worries… even since commenter m referred to me as one of ‘certain posters’ and then gave a bad review of the game thread, I’ve felt under seige. :(

  70. JK October 4th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Remember when the Redsox had the best bullpen in the league…

    Redsox pen:

    batting average = 19th
    ops = 20th
    whip = 17th
    k/9 = 5th
    SO = 10th

    Yankees pen:

    batting average = 1st
    ops = 6th
    whip = 2nd
    k/9 = 2nd
    SO = 5th

    And that is with Ramirez & Veras stinking up the joint early in the season.

  71. Pat M. October 4th, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Nick in SF & Dennis Costanza….I went 2-2 although I played the 49′ers as my prime game……However, I’ll alway sremember this day for the most unlikey wins…..A-Rod gets 7 rbi’s on the last day to secure my 4 to 1 win on him getting 100 rbi’s for the season….I’m still shaking my head…..USC was my get well game yesterday…..Sorry Nick

  72. dennis-Costanza October 4th, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    AL East solidarity.

    -dennis

  73. Erica - always OPPC October 4th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Hey Dennis-

    That Yankee people thing is catchy isn’t it? ;-)

  74. Nick in SF October 4th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    Pat M, although my heart was with Cal and I would have paid any price for a win, I put money on U$C to hedge in a number of teasers and parlays… my gut told me that U$C could blow out Cal but that Cal could not blow out U$C.

    The game last night broke my heart and my spirit but it also paid off. Today was an up day too, but I took hits with Buffalo and the Rams… I would have been better off taking a nap after the morning games and waking up for the Steelers. Oh well.

  75. dennis-Costanza October 4th, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    Pat M.

    Amazing Arod win. Nick posted a few mins after saying congrats…Not sure too many folks knew why…

    Taffy anyone?

    -dennis

  76. dennis-Costanza October 5th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    Erica.

    I can not help myself. I am a weak man..

    I just like the sign offs…”Good Night Yankee People”. I think Pete Abe should have used that as his goodbye.

    -dennis

  77. Buddy Biancalana October 5th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Nick-

    You bet against Cal, wowza!

    Pat M-

    Nice on the A Rod bet.

  78. Nick in SF October 5th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    I note that both U$C and Notre Dame are off this coming week. I really, really hope that the public buys into the dream of a Notre Dame revival and the myth of Charlie Weiss’s genius and replays the U$C/UW game in their heads and makes the number for the Trojans @ Irish game reasonable, because that could be my pick of the year.

    Stumbling out of Memorial Stadium last night, I overheard a lowlife dirtball U$C fan saying “we lost our one game this year already, we’re not losing again” — he may be right.

  79. Nick in SF October 5th, 2009 at 12:07 am

    Buddy: I’m no hero, I had some bets with Cal too. Losers, one and all. Cal couldn’t even cover the +17.5 teasers. I had it all weighted so that any result would be profitable (pending other results which all came through) and a close game would have paid out the most.

    But I couldn’t just go with Cal… they’ve already got my kidneys, another bad day and they’d come for the dialysis machine…

  80. Erica - always OPPC October 5th, 2009 at 12:09 am

    dennis-Costanza
    October 5th, 2009 at 12:03 am
    Erica.

    I can not help myself. I am a weak man..

    I just like the sign offs…”Good Night Yankee People”. I think Pete Abe should have used that as his goodbye.

    ****

    I do too. its very catchy :-)

  81. Buddy Biancalana October 5th, 2009 at 12:14 am

    I hear ya Nick. What are the odds on the Yanks winning it all?

  82. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2009 at 12:19 am

    Betsy
    October 4th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    LOL I taped Baseball Tonight’s Yankee segment and haven’t watched it yet, but apparently they said that Phil Hughes has no post-season experience. Wow.

    ————————————————————

    I hope you had the express written consent of the New York Yankees and Major League Baseball to reproduce that game.

  83. Erica - always OPPC October 5th, 2009 at 12:20 am

    Do you realize there is no Yankee baseball for almost 66 hours??? ARGH!!!!!!

  84. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing October 5th, 2009 at 12:20 am

    What was the congratulating PatM about with A-Rod today? Did he predict that Alex would make 30/100 this year or something?

  85. Bronx Jeers October 5th, 2009 at 12:24 am

    Yanks only needed 88 wins to make the playoffs. They had 89 last season.

    I really thought the Rays were going to push that number up into the mid nineties.

    I’m glad they’re one and done with the postseason appearances though.

    You know it’s weird but the Yanks-Sox match-ups have been relatively squabble-free compared to the Yanks and the rest of the AL East.

  86. Erica - always OPPC October 5th, 2009 at 12:24 am

    Its late. Good night Yankee people!!!!

  87. Nick in SF October 5th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    Buddy, my regular book doesn’t have any futures posted right now, but on one market the Yankees are at +170 to win the world series, meaning bet $100, win $170.

    Both the Red Sox and the Cardinals are next at +525, followed by the Phillies at +566, then both Los Angeles of Anaheim teams at +733. There are also odds given for the two AL Central teams, very skewed right now due to pending playoff.

  88. Wang IS Taiwan October 5th, 2009 at 12:36 am

    Hi Nick,

    Yeah, I realize it’s not about Joba vs. any of the bullpen pitchers per se, but folks who are quoting Joba’s earlier bullpen stats as “proof” that Joba’s a great bullpen addition are acting like Joba’s the same pitcher he once was. That’s simply a false notion. Joba’s a different pitcher. Period. His velocity is down significantly, not to mention his confidence.

    But I’m just as sure that Girardi will likely find a way to use him in the playoffs. Hopefully, Joba rises to the occasion.

  89. Jones October 5th, 2009 at 12:47 am

    “Late in the game Pena was at the plate and a ball came very close to hitting him and he jumped out of the way. They showed Girardi in the dugout and he had a look on his face like are you freaking kidding me??! So let’s see Tex got hit, Hairston 2 times, a ball was right at Matsui’s head, up and in on Pena. What a joke. Maddon is a loser..”

    I saw that too. Stay Classy Rays.

  90. Buddy Biancalana October 5th, 2009 at 12:50 am

    Thnx Nick.

  91. Pat M. October 5th, 2009 at 12:53 am

    The thing is, Joe Maddon was a real good guy when he was here in Anaheim ( local guy )…Played in some golf gigs with him & he was just a regular baseball guy…

  92. m October 5th, 2009 at 12:55 am

    You guys are going to be shocked, but I have no opinion on this!

    Joba’s like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get.

    But if today’s performance is any indication, he’ll get the job done. (I think I’ve predicted before that he’ll do fine in the playoffs).

  93. Clare October 5th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    m,

    I’m with you on that. I’m also with Pat M. on the conditioning thing. I thought of that while watching the postgame when Kim asked him something about a different approach between starting and relieving. I don’t recall Joba’s exact words, but he mentioned something about it being totally diffeerent and having to “pace himself” when starting.

    I think he’s either overly concerned with pacing himself because he’s tiring during a start, or as another beat writer stated (I think it was Feinsand), he still just hasn’t learned how to be a starting pitcher. Hopefully he’ll both be in better shape next year, and figure it out after more time as a starter.

  94. Nick in SF October 5th, 2009 at 1:11 am

    My pleasure, Buddy. Those are pretty crappy odds for the Yanks in an 8-team tourney, even if they are the best team.

  95. m October 5th, 2009 at 1:17 am

    Clare,

    See that’s the thing. We all suspected that Joba was pacing himself. Holding back. The Yankees suspected that, too when he was having first inning issues. They wanted him to go as hard as he could for as long as he could. It didn’t solve his problems altogether. Something is up, because other rookie pitchers (can’t tell me guys like Porcello have had a ton of innings before) are able to go deeper into games.

    Conditioning and sports psychology should help. If he wants to be a starter, maybe he can just focus on one inning at a time. Is he worried about innings, pitch counts, wins, losses? If I were a pitcher (obviously I have no experience), I’d try to look at it as 3 outs, that’s your job, get 3 outs. And then reset for the next inning. :)

  96. Clare October 5th, 2009 at 1:20 am

    Jones,

    They also came up and in on Swisher, and it looked like it was right at his head. Fortunately Swisher ducked and bailed, but it looked pretty close to me.

    For a guy who was completely unapologetic when Cervelli’s wrist was broken by a totally unnecessary collision during a spring training game, Maddon has certainly overreacted to a pitch that Pena actually swung at.

  97. PittsburghYankeeFan October 5th, 2009 at 1:35 am

    What a great problem to have, trying to decide on your number 4 or 5 relief pitcher.

    Frame it this way: Damaso Marte, given his “body of work” this year, or Joba? Just because Marte is a lefty doesn’t exactly mean that he’s automatic against lefties–check out his stats.

    Three catchers is very unconventional baseball for the playoffs–I just don’t see it, so Cervelli doesn’t make it.

    It will depend on the team, but my hunch is that Joba will be on the roster. Hopefully they will be creaming someone by the 5th or 6th inning of one of the games, so Joba can go in as a test in the 7th or 8th.

    Tied 2-2 in the 10th? Aceves. Up 8-2 in the 7th? Joba.

    I think that many on this board, like many Yankee fans, still thinks that Girardi will run this team in the playoffs like Joe Torre, basing his roster on “circles of trust” etc. Yeah, look how far that got LA–squeaking into the playoffs with half of the bullpen arms as flat as the 405.

    I love Joe T, he was great with the vets, he’s got his four rings, he could handle George pre-Alzheimer’s, but we have a manager as good as his team this time around.

    Anyone can lose at any time (it’s baseball, it happens) but I like this team’s chances better than any team since 1998.

  98. jake October 5th, 2009 at 1:51 am

    Joba has given EVERY indication of being a great reliever, a future shut-down closer.
    He’s going to be fantastic this post season, in a setup/middle relief role and wind up ending all the arguments.
    In 2010, Hughes will move back into the rotation and Joba will step into the primary setup role.

  99. m October 5th, 2009 at 2:18 am

    I suspect that Joe Girardi go with what got him and the Yankees into the postseason.

    I wouldn’t promise Joba any particular role or inning. Just tell him to be ready to go when called upon. He can be a situational pitcher that can do long relief, spot start, short relief, set up, waterboy, towel boy. :)

    Can’t express how happy I was to see the bats explode in that 6th inning. It was looking glum for the last few games. Nice shot in the arm as they head into the playoffs.

    I hope the Yankees pay heed to what happened to the Tigers in the WS. They couldn’t field to save their lives. Hopefully, our young pitchers and players can play through any nerves they may have. Take care of the ball, and don’t give extra outs.

  100. Jones October 5th, 2009 at 2:25 am

    “They also came up and in on Swisher, and it looked like it was right at his head. Fortunately Swisher ducked and bailed, but it looked pretty close to me.

    For a guy who was completely unapologetic when Cervelli’s wrist was broken by a totally unnecessary collision during a spring training game, Maddon has certainly overreacted to a pitch that Pena actually swung at.”
    ——————————————-

    I was at the game tonight, & maybe its just me, but it almost seemed like they were looking for a fight.
    & I love the Rays fans(at least the ones I was sitting by)saying that the Yankees overreact & that all those hits were unintentional.
    wow

  101. Pat M. October 5th, 2009 at 2:26 am

    m, are you specifically referring to the corner outfielders , because that is a weakness….My greatest concern is overcoming the Wang factor once they move into the ALCS & then to a lesser extent the World Series….This club has proven itself to be the very best ballteam in baseball since Mid-May…..That being said, as you well know, so much can happen in 1 week of baseball….

  102. PittsburghYankeeFan October 5th, 2009 at 2:28 am

    At least the Yankees don’t have this going into a game with their season on the line:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4530794

    What’s up Leyland? A bit too mellow?

  103. m October 5th, 2009 at 2:36 am

    Pat M,

    I was specifically thinking about the pitchers (Coke & Aceves as well as the Tiger pitchers of ’06).

    But you’re right. The outfield is a concern, but not much can be done at this point. And it’s not like they’re error-prone, just insufficient at times.

    If Joba proves to be a hit as a reliever, do you think they use Gaudin as the 4th starter in any subsequent rounds? That’s a spot I’d love to see Aceves in…

  104. Pat M. October 5th, 2009 at 2:44 am

    m, Gaudin has been used all September in the 5th slot in favor of Aceves….So Giradi felt ( I guess ) that Aceves has been so good coming in as the 1st option why change….The Yanks have an abundance of power arms in the bullpen, which in October is an invaluable commodity….This is what is going to be the deciding factor in their success this Postseason…..Offensive machines can be harnessed somewhat, however power pitching is what wins…..

  105. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2009 at 2:48 am

    Betsy
    October 4th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    LOL I taped Baseball Tonight’s Yankee segment and haven’t watched it yet, but apparently they said that Phil Hughes has no post-season experience. Wow.

    ————————————————————

    There are a couple of differences in Porcello and Chamberlain. First, he came out of high school, and he has been injury free. His first year was 125 innings as a starter, before joining the ML roster. No way of knowing what his health may be next year. He’ll be near 150 after his next start. Secondly, he’s not the power pitcher that Chamberlain is and he’s not as big. He’s also in better condition. I doubt that his parents were the size of Harlan Chamberlain.

    Chamberlain needs to be given a much better diet than beans, rice, potatoes and meat. That needs to be his focus this winter….diet and strength conditioning.

  106. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2009 at 2:53 am

    Sorry, but, that last post was to Mel.

  107. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2009 at 2:54 am

    m
    October 5th, 2009 at 1:17 am
    Clare,

    See that’s the thing. We all suspected that Joba was pacing himself. Holding back. The Yankees suspected that, too when he was having first inning issues. They wanted him to go as hard as he could for as long as he could. It didn’t solve his problems altogether. Something is up, because other rookie pitchers (can’t tell me guys like Porcello have had a ton of innings before) are able to go deeper into games.

    Conditioning and sports psychology should help. If he wants to be a starter, maybe he can just focus on one inning at a time. Is he worried about innings, pitch counts, wins, losses? If I were a pitcher (obviously I have no experience), I’d try to look at it as 3 outs, that’s your job, get 3 outs. And then reset for the next inning.

    ————————————————————

    There are a couple of differences in Porcello and Chamberlain. First, he came out of high school, and he has been injury free. His first year was 125 innings as a starter, before joining the ML roster. No way of knowing what his health may be next year. He’ll be near 150 after his next start. Secondly, he’s not the power pitcher that Chamberlain is and he’s not as big. He’s also in better condition. I doubt that his parents were the size of Harlan Chamberlain.

    Chamberlain needs to be given a much better diet than beans, rice, potatoes and meat. That needs to be his focus this winter….diet and strength conditioning.

  108. m October 5th, 2009 at 2:56 am

    lol, GB7.

    Was that supposed to be addressed to me?

    “Something is up, because other rookie pitchers (can’t tell me guys like Porcello have had a ton of innings before) are able to go deeper into games.”

  109. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2009 at 2:58 am

    With the strikeout power arm that NYY has on their roster going forward, imagine the numbers that they should put up if Burnett, Chamberlain, Coke, Bruney and Robertson get their command and control corrected. They could be equal to what the late 60s Mets pitching staffs had.

  110. m October 5th, 2009 at 2:58 am

    Never mind. Dayum, I’m slower than GB7? :?

  111. m October 5th, 2009 at 3:05 am

    Looking at the schedule for the first round of the playoffs, I’m seeing two afternoon games. Is this unusual?

  112. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2009 at 3:09 am

    Of the two most successful rookie starters, only Porcello has fewer innings than Chamberlain in the pros. Tommy Hanson of the Braves had nearly 400 minor league innings and he’s 22 years old. He had 127 innings for atlanta along with the 66 minor league innings this year. Chamberlain is just now catching up to Hanson’s pro league totals.

  113. Pat M. October 5th, 2009 at 3:12 am

    GB, That’s an excellent comparison ( 69 Mets ), as they just blew through Baltimore with top shelf pitching…Yanks pen , if right as you pointed out, cannot allow the starters to get thru 6 and even 5 innings and they can lockdown the game…….Base on balls can be the issue ( Bruney , Joba, Robertson )…..GB, that hole in the rotation due to the vacancy left bt Wang keeps me uneasy…

  114. m October 5th, 2009 at 3:16 am

    People always want to point out that Hughes has more pro innings than Joba. Duh. He was drafted out of high school. So I don’t pay much attention to it.

    Someone got in Hughes’ ear about conditioning, and he heeded their advice. I think Pavano went to the same place? :)

    Anyway, it looks like Joba will be dogged by durability issues until he proves otherwise.

    That huffing and puffing that pat m has mentioned seeing in person? Looked like he was doing it today. Looks more like hyperventilating than poor stamina.

  115. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2009 at 3:21 am

    Pat M.
    October 5th, 2009 at 3:12 am
    GB, That’s an excellent comparison ( 69 Mets ), as they just blew through Baltimore with top shelf pitching…Yanks pen , if right as you pointed out, cannot allow the starters to get thru 6 and even 5 innings and they can lockdown the game…….Base on balls can be the issue ( Bruney , Joba, Robertson )…..GB, that hole in the rotation due to the vacancy left bt Wang keeps me uneasy…

    ————————————————————

    Comparing Seaver, Koosman, Gentry and Ryan to Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte and Chamberlain isn’t too far off, but, the bullpen is the huge difference. That Mets bullpen can’t hold a candle to the Yankee pen, and the Mets were good. I’m not so concerned this PS with Chamberlain if he at least gives them some innings and the other three starters do their jobs. NYY advantage is in getting quality from Aceves and Gaudin.

    Next season will depend on how Chamberlain responds and takes this winter seriously in preparing. That’s something that only he can answer.

  116. Steve Kline October 5th, 2009 at 4:29 am

    “That Mets bullpen can’t hold a candle to the Yankee pen, and the Mets were good.”

    Yes they can. In those days the starters went more than 5 or 6 innings so you didn’t need a sixth inning guy or a seventh inning guy. So the 1-2 of Tug McGraw and Taylor is certainly better than Mo and Hughes. Yes Mo is great but Hughes hasn’t proven anything. On a 9-man staff, many of these relievers today wouldn’t be on the team, let alone in the game.

    And Ryan only made 10 starts in ’69. And please don’t tell me you feel CC compares favorably with Seaver, that is laughable.

  117. Alan October 5th, 2009 at 7:00 am

    Nothing is etched in stone as to how the bullpen will be used with the exception of Hughes and Mariano.
    It’s game situation decisions and matchups from Girardi / Eiland. Scouting reports will be used.

  118. Doreen October 5th, 2009 at 7:19 am

    All I know is I don’t envy Joe Girardi when he sits down and tells some of his pitchers that they’re not on the ALDS roster. Because most of the guys do deserve to be on it; it’s just a “numbers thing.”

    What I do like is that they can re-visit the roster if they get through round 1 and make any necessary adjustments.

    I’m anxious about round 1. Both the Tigers and Twins, whichever one wins the play-off, is going to be on such a high that I don’t think it will matter that they’re getting into NY at 3 am or whatever.

  119. Pov October 5th, 2009 at 7:27 am

    So assuming the Tigers get in I would guess Verlander pitches Game 2. Puts alot of pressure on CC and the Yanks to make sure they win game 1 to be one up.

  120. MD Mikey October 5th, 2009 at 7:48 am

    Maddon is not a very balanced person. Nothing the Rays did this weekend surprised me. I’m guessing the players will grow weary of his act soon if this keeps up.

  121. Yo Papa October 5th, 2009 at 8:03 am

    Isn’t Joba the one who cost the Yankees the playoff series last time??

  122. Rex October 5th, 2009 at 8:10 am

    “Isn’t Joba the one who cost the Yankees the playoff series last time??”

    Nope. That was a group effort.

  123. Betsy October 5th, 2009 at 8:11 am

    GB, I’ve already made several copies of the tape to use even though I did not get expressed written consent from MLB. As we speak, copies of that tape are making the rounds all around the world…………the horror. Fortunately, I used your return address should MLB ever feel the need to track me down.

  124. Betsy October 5th, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Mo is the greatest closer ever, so on 1-2 punch is going to be better than Mo and whomever…….

  125. crawdaddy October 5th, 2009 at 8:19 am

    For a 4th starter, Joba is getting far too much attention from the media and fans alike.

  126. Betsy October 5th, 2009 at 8:20 am

    How funny is Tex?

    http://i36.tinypic.com/xo4cc9.png

    This was after Alex’ GS and after he mouthed “nice move” in the dugout.

  127. jennifer October 5th, 2009 at 8:53 am

    I forgot about Swisher almost getting hit. The Rays think they are a bunch of big shots now. How many teams have they started fights with? To me they are gnats, annoying things that you swat away.

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