Really, really expensive Stadium seats will only be really expensive in 2010
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Oct 05, 2009 
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The Yankees are reclassifying some of their Legends Suites seats next season and lowering some other ticket prices by as much as $1,250. For most fans, this probably isn’t particularly relevant info but if you’ve got some disposable income, the details are here.
There’s been a lot of talk about whether the new Stadium will sound like the old Stadium this October. Truth is, I’m not sure anything will ever sound like that but there’s no reason Yankees fans can’t make it come pretty darn close.
More tomorrow from the workout. Check back all day for updates.
Maybe I’ll mortgage my home to save up for these seats.
Still high
Sears commercial is hilarious.
Thats a good one ( about the seats ) keep the funnies coming.
Also like the pics of the bloggers to the left of blog.
Sam is a good looking dude. Can’t blame him from posting his glamour shot.
i have been at the new stadium for some on the big moments this season…and i can tell you that live…it’s just as loud as the old one.
whether that comes through on TV or not…i’m not sure…but Live…yes it gets loud.
Please be sure to post pictures!
Anyone watching MLB? They just counted down the best ALDS series moments……and wow, there were good ones. The Jeter flip was #2 (still just an incredible play – how ridiculous was it that Jeter was even there?)….#1 was Edgar Martinez’ series winning hit in 1995. I have to say that, despite all the good that happened in the years afterward, I still can not watch that play. It is simply too painful – I always (like I did tonight) just look away.
Why hasn’t pete been posting lately?
Doing a great job Sam, can’t wait for October baseball!!
I’ve been to 10 games this year at the new Stadium. The decibel level of the crowd noise is very much dependent on your seat loaction. When I’ve sat in Section 431 of the Grandstand, there’s very little crowd sound that travels up there. It’s eery how quiet it is. But when I’ve sat in Terrace Section 317 or 324 the crowd sounds loud. I’ve sat in a Field Box and not been able to hear the voice on the overhead monitor because the acoustics in the building are so bad.
I think the openess of the design effects more than just the flight of balls. Sound does strange things in the new Stadium. Yankee Stadium was an enclosed building. The new Stadium is more of an open space. It may get loud at times, but I dont think it will ever be as loud as it was across the street. I’ll be there Wednesday night doing my best to make it loud.
John, are you serious?
A really good article at the Bats blog by Tyler Kepner,at http://www.bats.blogs.nytimes.com
On Joba in the pen,and making an already strong pen deeper.Some of the comments make leave a sour taste in your mouth.
John just crawled out from under a rock.
John October 5th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Why hasn’t pete been posting lately?
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He ran away.
Pete quit the Lohud Journal to go back home.He now blogs for bos.com/extra bases,(if you really didn’t know.)
“Why hasn’t pete been posting lately?”
john-
an opportunity came to be a roadie with springsteen so pete had no choice.
it was a lifelong dream come true.
damon had to and ruin it! I wanted to see what jokes everyone would post.
gb7-
i was looking at victor martinez’s stats and he used to throw well until last year.
he had an arm injury right?
i wonder if is arm is temporarily bad or permanently bad .
Sorry I thought he was playing.
Repost from the previous thread….
You know…. when I was growing up – in high school, as a matter of dating myself – American Bandstand was the program to watch after school. And, not necessarily for the music but to watch the “stars” – those Philly kids who were lucky enuf to dance there day after day.
My friends and I watched “them” more than Buddy Holly and Bobby Darin et al.
Well, to get to my point…. there are those on this Blog that I actually search for to read.
Randy L and Trisha are in the spotlight tonight.
GreenBeret7 is there. Betsy and Erica are there! SJ44 is definitely there and MIA at the moment. Pat M. and M are there. As is Doreen and Christina.
This Blog is actually a great read and has developed great characters…
A lot of solid debaters!
damon, I’m only kidding.
I’m not sure if he was joking around or not.
Frank in Chatham ….. ( Conn. ? )You may have dated yourself with the Dick Clark American Bandstand reference…However GB used to have beers with Uncle Milton, Sid Ceasar & Imago Coco….In fact rumor has it that he played around with Jackie Cooper on the set of ” The Little Rascals”……He didn’t care much for Robert Blake except for beating him up….Secretly had a crush on Darla……
Thanks Frank from Chatham!!!!
Pat M.
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Chatham is also in NJ – at least that’s where I finally decided to drop anchor.
Audio of 911 call from Miguel Cabera.
http://apps.detnews.com/apps/m.....hp?id=3843
Frank,
That was a really nice post. Can we change it to the set of “Soul Train” or “American Idol”?
Also, saw your post at the Extra Bases Blog (doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue, huh?) That was great.
Sam, a good start for you…thanks much. Please make sure you and Chad are around as much as Pete was especially during the off season when we all need our baseball fix each day!
The “new reduced” ticket prices are still crazy. It would be nice if the Steins have to reach into their pocket if revenues from attendance are down next year.
Frank in Chatham, I just wanted to know where to send the check……Thank You for the compliment, some fine company you have me with…..You must have watched alot of baseball, favorite player, favorite memories ???? Do share
43 hours and 2 minutes until Game 1
Pat M.
I grew up a Yankee fan and have been – even through the VERY lean years.
One of my favs from those years was Tony (take it in the throat) Kubek. But the very best was Micky Mantle. Such a smooth swing. And, such power. Who knew that he played with hang overs. No one reported that stuff in those days.
I’m sorry if the local people in the Bronx can’t afford tickets. Starving students like Rebecca.
Otherwise, the tickets, the prices, the everything is so old already.
I only care about the product on the field. And thanks to Hal and Hank, they’re putting their money where their mouth is and upholding the high standards set by George.
I’d love to hear from the people over the winter who said they were going to stop being Yankee fans because of the ridiculous prices and what not. Are they enjoying the season, or still boycotting the Yankees?
I know the Yankees are garish and gaudy, but that’s been the Yankee way since way back when. We’re just talking about larger scales of economy.
I love the Yankees, and I especially love this team. Not because they bought good players, but because they brought in good people.
And…. Mantle spelled his name Mickey!!!
Well, here is Suzyn’s take………might as well get used to it:
http://www.wfan.com/162-Down&#.....ntRating=1
Yes, AJ Burnett will have Jose Molina behind the plate when he gets the first playoff start in his career. AJ was waiting for Molina yesterday as the game ended, and hugged him with a big thank you. They do work well together, it’s the playoffs now, and winning is what’s important. If Molina and AJ work well together, and AJ is confident with him behind the plate…that’s the battery you use, plain and simple. I congratulated AJ on his 100th career win yesterday…his smiling retort? “It only took me 10 years to get it!”
There are no words………….
I just took a look at stubhub, for those who still want to buy tickets there are around 4,000 available…. at a premium of course
By the way, my friend didn’t have an extra ticket for me for Friday night after all. So it looks like I will be hanging out here watching with my Yankee people. I think its for the best though. My letter writing and lucky shower might be needed and I do not have a good playoff track record.
Good night Yankee People!!!
Betsy, thanks for the heads up. Two things I liked from the Suzyn’s blog entry –
“By the way…a veteran Tampa Bay Ray’s parting good bye to me yesterday afternoon was, “Tell the guys not to get beaten by those @*%#* Red Sox!” Message delivered.”
And Erica, maybe Suzyn has some pull. After all she brought George and Yogi together…
“I am starting my “re-sign Johnny Damon” campaign officially today in this blog. Johnny ends with 24 hrs, 82 rbis, countless slap hits to move over a runner, and everything else that a #2 hitter is supposed to accomplish. Damon has told me he wants to stay here, and would even take a year to year deal…a la the Wakefield/Red Sox arrangement. He stopped short of saying he’d take a “home town discount.” By the way…who else is going to play left field…don’t tell me Matt Holliday or Jason Bay…those two are probably staying where they are right now.”
RB, you’re welcome. Right now, I ‘m really having a hard time holding my temper, lol…….
rb-
I now officially love Suzyn Waldman. I never realized how incredibly wise she is before this moment
In all seriousness, I really do think Johnny is coming back next year. It makes almost too much sense. The big wild card (and it is a big variable) is the Scott Boras factor. I don’t see Boras advising his client to take less money to stay with the Yankees. So I guess we’ll see how it all plays out.
Btw- don’t know if you know this, but I predicted Johnny would be a Yankee in 2003. He was like, Mr. Red Sock then and everyone told me I was insane. Well, they signed him the day after my 25th birthday. He was the Steinbrenner birthday present to Erica. Let’s see if they’ll giftwrap him again for me this year
Erica,
Is it legal to post after saying “Good night Yankee People?”
This will keep me up for hours…
-dennis
Oh, and Betsy I think it’s best to just have faith in Girardi with the whole AJ/Molina thing. He’s done a good job so far.
I’ll just say this, most people who post here seem to feel that Andy should pitch game 3. If Molina is catching AJ then I’d rather see him pitch game 3. I’d be very surprised if Joe G. takes Jorge’s bat out of the lineup for 2 games in the short series.
dennis-Costanza
October 5th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Erica,
Is it legal to post after saying “Good night Yankee People?”
This will keep me up for hours…
-dennis
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Hahaha. If you can’t break your own rules, who can?
Here’s a secret- I always say my signature good night and then leave my computer on for a few minutes to see if anyone says good night back. A little pathetic I know, but it makes me happy.
Sometimes I forget I said good night and see something good and respond. Then I say good night twice
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....a_cat.html
Betsy,
Please read…
Trisha,
You, too. Everything we’ve said came tumbling out of Coney’s mouth. Of course he might be a little biased against Posada…
Erica, I have to admit I did not want JD and wasn’t happy that he was signed. However, he’s been a great Yankee.
I think it’s possible he will be resigned for your birthday this year. He wants to be here and I think the team wants him back. Boras is the agent, but it’s ultimately up to the client so if Johnny really wants to stay, he stays.
Sorry to keep you up.
Hey, I’m signing back on!
I know Trisha doesn’t like me to respond to the latest whatever after she’s gone to bed or to wherever she goes, but she wrote above that she’s now going to refuse to respond to my posts so it doesn’t really matter.
I appreciate the feelings and the humor of the peacemakers out there. Don’t worry, someday there will be peace in our time. Well, in our future time. I will join you all in being happy if her truce with randy holds.
That said, the whole “here are a few insults and now the discussion is over” tactic is a cheap one.
You know what they say: if you can’t win on the facts, win on the smokescreen; if you can’t win on the smokescreen, change the subject.
The discussion, in this iteration, boils down to something very simple:
Trisha wrote, first by implication and then by name, that rconn23, CB, MaineYankee, and I were all “unable to separate [our]selves enough from [our] love of Posada to actually see what case different posters were attempting to make for wanting Molina in there…”
If anyone can interpret that as anything other than an insult and a condescending one at that, I salute you.
I called her on it and asked if she stood by the interpretation that several of us were too blinded by Jorge love to see another view. Lots of dancing and evading, but no straight answer.
After that, it got a little testy, with some unfortunate insults (“You have fallen victim to believing the rantings of your serpentine and peripatetic friend Nick.” among others) but no answer to the simple question I had.
That is undoubtedly where things will remain after this slow-news off day and we can all go back to peacefully enjoying baseball tomorrow.
Sleep Tight Erica!
RB, at this point, I am mad at more than just Joe…….If I were a cartoon character, I’d have steam coming out of my ears.
M, thanks for posting, but I am really trying to calm myself down. My list of favorite players has just been reduced by one………
“I appreciate the feelings and the humor of the peacemakers out there. Don’t worry, someday there will be peace in our time. Well, in our future time. I will join you all in being happy if her truce with randy holds.”
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Nick, until that day all I can do is light candles and sing Kumbaya
(For those without an internet humour detector, that is a joke)
As …. Nick in SF stirs the drink!!
Okay, I really am going to bed now.
Good night Yankee People!!!!
I hope it’s not because of what’s been going on here, Betsy. Strong opinions on both sides. I’ve avoided posting on the issue because I’ve seen it as an exercise in futility.
Hey Frank. The drink was poureded on my chair after I left earlier, so I’m really just cleaning up the spillage.
Goodnight Erica!
Goodnight Erica!
RB, no – not at all – I’m not mad at anyone on here. Suzyn’s blog entry just set me off – I’m pretty pissed at anyone on the Yankees right now, specifically two people.
The numbers to which Cone referred support the argument. In Burnett’s 10 starts with Molina behind the plate, batters are hitting .212 against him, as opposed to .270 in his 16 starts with Posada. In addition, Burnett’s strikeout-to-walk ratio is much better with Molina, 2.64 to 1.72, and hitters’ slugging percentage is .333 with Molina catching Burnett, as opposed to .421 with Posada.
Beyond the numbers, Burnett and Posada clashed on pitch selection at times, which is why Burnett wound up howling at himself on the mound at Fenway Park in August after giving up a home run to David Ortiz.
And though Girardi denied that there was any issue between them, it’s no secret that pitchers prefer Molina’s superb catching skills to Posada’s.
“It’s not a knock on Posada,” Cone said. “That’s how good Molina is. He’s one of the best defensively. It’s not just how he handles pitchers or calls games, but how he frames pitches on the corners.
“I think he gets more borderline strikes for his pitchers because he’s so good at framing them than just about any catcher in the game. It’s the total package with Molina.”
Cone has plenty of insight here. In 1999, his second-to-last season with the Yankees, he clashed with a young Posada to the point where Girardi, then the backup, became his personal catcher that season.
“Joe was great at milking me through a rough outing,” Cone said. “Posada has gotten better about doing that, but Joe understands how important it is. To me it’s an obvious move but it’s still a gutsy call for Joe to do it.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z0T7kCaZQl
dennis, if you’re still here, I hope you got a piece of the over tonight. Even though it took forever for it to finally hit, it seemed inevitable. One more score would make me smile.
randy l.
October 5th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
gb7-
i was looking at victor martinez’s stats and he used to throw well until last year.
he had an arm injury right?
i wonder if is arm is temporarily bad or permanently bad .
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I’d have to assume that there was more damage to Martinez’ elbow in 2008 than just inflammation. He missed 70 games. It surely didn’t affect his hitting, but, those throws are worse than Tim Wakefield’s,
Bru, AJ’s #s with Jorge look worse because he went through a bad slump……..which did not end when Molina went behind the plate. Anyway, I’ve already said my piece about that, but I now have a new nickname for AJ.
Betsy,
Wait, you’re disappointed with Cone because of what he said?
I love Cone, but IMO, he has been dead wrong on several issues recently…..#1 being that Phil Hughes should remain in the pen permanently.
Oh, okay. I don’t like the decision either, but I imagine that if there is an important AB (I figure 6th inning or later), Jorge will be pinch hitting and catch the remainder of the game.
but I now have a new nickname for AJ.
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Is it a nice nickname?
Betsy,
And now you’re turning on one of your favoritist players?
Tell me, were you a moose fan? You do know that if the Yankees made the playoffs last season, there’s no way that Posada would’ve caught him, right?
M, by the way – I did read that article a couple of days ago.
No, I’m peeved at AJ…….and that’s really the nicest word I can think of.
Nick in SF
Your “main squeeze(d)” left long ago…
One of your favoritist players being AJ.
But earlier in the day, you told mick that AJ wasn’t a diva.
M, I liked Moose – he was hardly my favorite player, though.
Yes, I’m turning against AJ………but then, I feel I have good reason to. I thought he was better than this…….
M, I was wrong…….and I’m truly sorry to have to admit that I was. Poor AJ is going to have an anxiety attack when Molina eventually leaves.
Betsy
Lots of great pitchers have done just what AJ is reported to have done… like Cone of a few years ago, like Carlton of a few decades ago.
Whatever it takes to win…..
IMO, there is nothing more selfish than a pitcher putting his own needs ahead of his teams. AJ pitched just fine to Jorge (brilliantly, in fact) in June and July. This team is a much better team with Jorge in the lineup; I find it embarrassing that we will have to sit Jorge or Matsui to accomodate this guy. I honestly can not begin to describe how disappointing this is to me……..but I have to be fair.
Betsy
you have a lot of ml players,catchers,pitchers saying catchers do make a difference not to mention jg looking like he will have molina catching burnett imo
who are we to ignore ml players wo have played the game
Frank: I am aware.
m: of course Jorge wouldn’t have caught Mussina, his season was over well before October. He only won, what, 100+ games with Jorge?
I think you’re right, however, he liked throwing to Molina more. I don’t think the comparison between cerebreal pitchers like Mussina and a guy like AJ tells us all that much, though I concede as always than any pitcher can feel more comfortable throwing to any catcher for whatever reason.
Frank, that’s true. Wasn’t it Maddux who would only pitch to the Braves backup catcher? Oh, wait – how many WS did the Braves win again?
Hey Nick.
I did not play the game. I wish I had. I had a great weekend so I walked away from this eve. My bad.
Amy and I rented “Lars and the Real Girl” for the second time. Laughed our as.. off again.
I share your frustration re: salt water taffy.
Silver- 16.63.
-dennis
Betsy-don’t turn on AJ just yet. Nothing is set in stone and we don’t know what is really being said behind closed doors.
Though if it is AJ+Molina: I just have no words. I am not a fan of that at all, but I trust Girardi.
So if that’s the case, so be it.
The best 9 may not include Jorge.
Matsui is a better clutch and situational hitter than Jorge and Jose catches better.
Frank, I just detest the idea of a personal catcher……I think it reeks of selfishness. The Yankees had an excellent record in AJ’s starts up until his slump……..and Po was behind the plate. You’re right about it being about the winning and Jorge behind the plate with Matsuie as DH gives the Yankees their best chance to win.
Just in case anyone is wondering, I am not freaking out – I am perfectly calm as I type this (angry, but calm).
Betsy,
Accomodate this guy? He could potentially pitch twice in the opening series alone. He’s mercurial to be sure, but he’s part of the puzzle.
Please keep an open mind. I don’t want to lay the hammer down on you for dissing A.J. okay?
And, since Mussina has been entered into the conversation, did he ever throw to a catcher now named Jorge Posada in a Yankee playoff game?
I don’t know the answer, but I do know that he threw to Posada in the Moose’s most clutch, gritty postseason appearance ever… 2003… game seven.
S.A. – what was AJ thanking Molina for? LOL he pitched ok yesterday, he didn’t throw a perfect game. He’s Linus Burnett to me now.
Sorry, but, Molina isn’t stealing 20-25 more strikes a game by framing pitches. 3-4 max. That’s what he would have to do to make up for his lack of hitting skills. He doesn’t throw out any more base stealers by percentage than Posada, nor are his passed balls any lower based on innings caught. Burnett only throws two pitches unless he can be talked into throwing his changeup.
M, I don’t have an open mind on this because I think it is absolutely the wrong thing. Lay the hammer on me, lol – I’m used to it.
Make that, did Mussina ever throw to a catcher NOT named Jorge Posada in a Yankee playoff game.
dennis, it’s probably never a mistake to not play a game. I’ve never lost on a game I sat out.
If silver hits $18 I might think about an ALCS game in Anaheim.
GB, good points………
Did Joe say that Molina is going to catch A.J. ? So why are we talking about this when we don’t know ?
Time for the updated ledger:
Okay with it:
-Girardi
-Sam
-me (I count for extra)
-randy l (okay with it, but not for the reasons we thought)
-Olney
-Feinsand
-Harper
-Waldman
-Rishi
-Erin
-Trisha
-numerous others who said they’d be okay with it if it made AJ less of a headcase (Nick/SF).
Not okay with it:
-Betsy
-Wave Your Hat
-Rose
-posada/molina
-S.A.
A lineup is not about fairness and the “regulars” in the lineup.
Betsy October 6th, 2009 at 12:01 am
S.A. – what was AJ thanking Molina for? LOL he pitched ok yesterday, he didn’t throw a perfect game. He’s Linus Burnett to me now.
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Oh dear.
Maybe the Yankees should think about having AJ hypnotized.
Counterpoint: maybe the Yankees would have won more of Mussina’s postseason starts if he’d ditched selfish hothead Jorge much earlier.
Nick in SF:
Silver closed at: $16.620
Silver currently at $16.683
Betsy: stick to your guns! AJ is a big disappoinment and my respect for him has been diminished!
Except, if he pitches well for us in the postseason and we win the game(s) he starts, my respect for him will have been enhanced. Whoever catches him, it’s on him to deliver the goods.
What was he thanking Jose for? I don’t know, maybe for helping him win his 100th? Pretty sure he would’ve done the same with Jorge & Cervelli had the special occasion presented itself.
Nick, make fun of me if you want to…….I’m not going to get into an argument with you.
Can you imagine if every player had someone they preferred not to play with and requested the line-up be juggled accordingly.
Derek wouldn’t have wanted to play SS when Wang pitched, too many groundballs that could go “past a diving Jeter”.
Alex wouldn’t want to play when Coke pitches, too many pop ups, too much pointing.
Cano would have hated playing behind Jaret Wright, too many balls deflected off the pitcher.
The possibilities are endless. Where does it end people!
Betsy,
He’s not joking.
Like I said before is it official ? We don’t know yet so why are we talking about this Posada / A.J. thing ?
And, NO! I don’t have a link proving that AJ would’ve waited for Cervelli or Posada after his 100th win had they caught him.
M, I suppose…….Well, we’re on different sides of this, and that’s fine. I can only say that, objectively speaking, I hope he pitches well whenever he pitches because that’s good for the Yankees. That’s the nicest thing I can think of to say.
Wells added Torre “was just lucky he had these teams he had to make him famous. He should be a Hall of Famer, as a player . . . But as a manager, you could have done it. Anybody at this table could have done what they did in the ’90s. It just wasn’t that hard.”
TBS is covering the NLCS, with Wells and fellow studio analysts on site starting with Game 3. So if the Dodgers advance, things could get interesting.
Wells said Torre has good qualities as a manager but added, “He just didn’t like me. That’s fine. You don’t have to like me. But don’t bury me.
“He had his little circle, like in ‘Meet the Parents,’ the ‘Circle of Trust,’ ” Wells said. “If you weren’t in that, he could give a rat’s — about you.”
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....bled=false
Betsy, I wasn’t making fun of you! As m will attest, I have said more than once that I am disappointed in AJ for, at the very least, allowing this nonsense to fester as it has.
But the next playoff game AJ wins will be his first, so I’ll respect him for delivering on the field at least.
M, are you referring to Nick? I know he’s not joking – hes being serious. I haven’t said “boo” to him all night – if he wants to make sarcastic comments to me because he thinks I’m overwrought, that’s his business. I’ve got a tough skin.
Frank in Chatham NJ….Man this circle of love that is shared by Nick in SF, Randy I, & Tricia is an on again off again affair….The off-season is when things generally get going however this whole Posada vs. Molina & Cervelli has been going on since early June……Many here have sparred with Tricia, myself included….However Nick & Randy have a very long fuse but when enough is enough it’s time for me to get to the sidelines and just observe…..Tricia tenacity is her greatest strength even if the crux of the arguement gets compromised…..She plays a 3 card monte shell game when backed into a corner, and both guys will call her on it…..I think she’s quite clever in this regard…..Nick in SF may stir the drink but Tricia can certainly stir the pot…….
Oh Nick, I’m sorry – you were using the language I often use and I thought you were throwing it in my face. You’re a better person than I am – I can’t find it in my heart to respect this guy anymore, no matter what he does.
m: I can’t believe you’re leaving David Cone off your ledger. Did he once not say something nice about Hawaii?
Not okay with it:
-Betsy
-Wave Your Hat
-Rose
-posada/molina
-S.A.
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m-put me down for not okay with it, but I will and do trust Girardi’s judgement on this.
Frank from Chatham, NJ October 5th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
The best 9 may not include Jorge.
Matsui is a better clutch and situational hitter than Jorge and Jose catches better.
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Sorry, not quite.
Matsui
RISP – .303
RISP 2 out – .269
Bases loaded – .313
Man on 3rd < 2 out – .417
Posada
RISP – .328
RISP 2 out – .228
Bases loaded – .357
Man on 3rd < 2 out – .600
Jeremy, it’s all but official. Kay has basically heard the word and now Suzyn said it on her blog…and she’s got more inside info than anyone.
Okay with it:
-Girardi
-Sam
-me (I count for extra)
-randy l (okay with it, but not for the reasons we thought)
-Olney
-Feinsand
-Harper
-Cone
-Waldman
-Rishi
-Erin
-Trisha
-numerous others who said they’d be okay with it if it made AJ less of a headcase (Nick/SF).
Not okay with it:
-Betsy
-Wave Your Hat
-Rose
-posada/molina
-S.A. (but trusts Girardi’s judgement)
Good. You’re almost up to the 95% of people who pay attention to baseball.
Pat M.
Well put.
Like I said, there’s a lot of action within this Blog and… to the casual observer, it certainly goes unnoticed.
Trisha and Randy dance a great jitterbug in the spotlight dance.
LOL
m-
I’m fine with Molina catching catching AJ, if that what it takes AJ to pitch well.
Okay, I’ve got tears in my eyes. You guys gotta head to Pete’s ump entry and ready PollyannaPorkchopPough’s post.
It’s a classic.
rb October 6th, 2009 at 12:18 am
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I stand corrected. My gut was wrong statistically… but, with the game on the line, who would you rather have up?
Matsui is my choice and I LOVE Posada as a hitter.
Buddy,
Gotcha.
I tried to post Pollyanna’s post, but it wouldn’t go through. The naughty word? Our former blog host.
There’s more LoHudders on there than on LoHud.
My favorite is Eee Arr bringing his same troll act from here to there… that’s some wild, wacky stuff.
I don’t know, Frank. I feel like I’ve seen Matsui strike out on the outside pitch a lot this season when a hit or fly ball could have scored a run or runs.
Pollyanna was brilliant in that post.
One thing AJ will have to deal with is the fallout from the decision to go with Molina. If Joe does this, it’s going to be pretty obvious that he did it to because he either got some direct request from AJ or received vibes from AJ that he would much prefer Molina. That is not going to sit well with Jorge/Derek, etc…..(nor should it).
In any case, good night all!
M
The Blog cops ate my Poly response….
Betsy
“That is not going to sit well with Jorge/Derek, etc…..(nor should it).”
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And, as great Yanks, (the capt. and co-capt)they will say zip.
m, I had to read it twice…..A masterpiece indeed……As for the AJ / Molina debate…..AJ has built up enough good clubhouse guy rep that if this is indeed true, it hopefully doesn’t cause a rift…..That being said, he better deliver the goods then…..There’s no way this happens in the World Series though…..As Rose mentioned earlier, this arraignment hinders the club with both Matsui & Jorge out of the lineup……Still I find it just abit unsettling for a 10 year Veteran pulling down 15 million per who has reservation about having a possible HOF catcher being his batterymate……
Nick,
Eeyore is indeed a sad little donkey.
Betsy,
Please trust me when I say this, Jeter just wants to win. Jorge’s a professional, not a jilted lover. This isn’t the first time it’s happened to him.
rb October 6th, 2009 at 12:39 am
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Good pickup. That’s Matsui’s Ach. heel.
Well wouldn’t Molina be in there for 6 innings. I think the Yankee offense can get on by with Molina. Just bat him at the end of the lineup, and take him out of the game by the 6th inning.
In looking at how AJ pitched to both Jorge and Molina, there have been good games and bad games. However, in the playoffs if AJ believes he is better with Molina behind the dish, it may mean he will be throwing more confidently.
If AJ does pitch well and holds the runs down then Molina’s almost automatic out won’t be such a negative. If he does give up runs then Posada can be put back in to catch for him. Posada can also come into the game with the relievers if need be.
At this time of year you do what will give you the best chances of success. AJ throwing well is an important part of that.
Don’t forget though that Molina can get a hit once in a while. He was hitting for high average, but he did have a number of doubles.
rb, Matsui has been called out on strikes on the outside, but a decent amount of them are balls that are called strikes. For whatever reason, he seems to fall victim to this more than others this year.
How the heck is NickInSF already taken as a Globe screen name???
I see a lot of B caps around here… hmmmmm
m, you said Jeter just wants to win. Is that not the case with all of us posting on this topic here?
Pat M.
You even think Posada’s in the HOF conversation?
I love him but I think not.
Nick,
What?!
Betsy said that Derek/Jorge will not be happy with AJ.
Derek would sell his left…side of his new mansion to win.
m – put me down as okay with it. (in moderation)
the risk of cholesterol seems higher, but if that don’t get ya, something else will. Gotta hand it to those crazy Canadians to lead us down this path….but it did turn the season around.
This is the gravy on fries debate, right?
If AJ feel comfortable with Molina.
That’s wisdom policy to let Molina behint the plate.
While Posoda is a good hitter,it’s more important to help a pitcher can pitch solid in the playoffs than anything.
Pitchers usually influence the game win or loss in the playoffs especially.
If the pitcher and catcher can’t cooperate well,certainly, the game will be going to loss,and the team hardly can turn the tide at that time.
To know the enemy and know yourself, and you can fight a hundred battles with no danger of defeat.
The opponent know Yankees totally,and they will attack the team’ weakness.
Honestly,Posoda is a good player,but his mediocre defense and the ability of communictaion with pitchers need to improve can be a death wound of the team.
I expect and pray God to help Giradi make every wisdom and correct decisions for Yankees.
Yankees need unity of will and strenth and believe will be the Championship 2009.
Yankees is a wonderful team.In my heart the MVP are the all players of the team.
Abdababdaserser October 6th, 2009 at 12:46 am
rb, Matsui has been called out on strikes on the outside, but a decent amount of them are balls that are called strikes. For whatever reason, he seems to fall victim to this more than others this year.
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That’s true and maybe for that reason he reaches for that pitch when he shouldn’t. But I’d rather not see him flailing at that pitch when it should be called a ball.
Matsui has a great eye for the zone and that outside pitch that he takes is usually called a Strike but a replay invariably shows it to be a Ball.
How the heck is NickInSF already taken as a Globe screen name?
Those Markakis truthers have fans in every port in America…
Yes, and perhaps Jeter thinks Jorge would give the Yankees a better chance to win and might not like to see AJ babied. Or maybe he thinks the opposite. I have no idea what he thinks.
He wants to win.
I want the Yankees to win.
So what’s that all about?
Randy I, GB and others,
Having sen AJ’s curve do things that defy physics (NIST says the maximum curve an MLB pitch can actually ‘curve’ is 17.5 inches. I’m not sure they tested AJ), it seems to me that his confidence in a game is directly proportional to his feeling comfortable throwing that pitch.
It appeared for a while during the season that Jorge was getting a bit tired and his legs weren’t letting him move fast enough to block that pitch when it went awry. Molina seems to have been able to keep AJ’s curve in front of him all season.
That has got to get into AJ’s head.
But it really is hard to watch Jose miss every pitch on the outer half.
Buddy, DT, & JJ. Gotcha down. Getting closer to my quota….
M
I agree with JJ.
JJ, are you from Taiwan?
That sounds like Sun Tzu.
From Pete’s new Blog:
Obviously, a LoHudder, Author: kilc37
“Now, if Pedroia was only tall enough to ride roller coasters”
The bottom line is that Jorge Posada has never had a negative affect on a pitching staff’s ERA in the past. He, Burnett, and Girardi needed to settle this in the regular season. As good as Jose Molina is behind the plate, he is TERRIBLE at the plate.
Maybe this is why Girardi wants to bring a 3rd catcher, so that he can bring in Posada for when they go to the bullpen in Burnett’s starts.
Its really weak that over more than 30 starts AJ and Posada weren’t able to get things right. Posada’s bat in the lineup is a huge advantage that the Yankees shouldn’t just give up because Burnett can’t get his crap together.
And JJ: do you think Molina should start ALL the playoff games?
Frank,
Thanks. Closer, closer…
Backbench,
Is it safe to say that AJ’s “hook” is a difficult pitch to catch. Similar to Wakefield? Of course not to that extreme…But maybe we can put the “diva” label away for now.
Nick,
Just saw your post over there. You weren’t joking? Your screen name was actually taken?
maybe it was the donkey….
Not joking, it was really taking. Last night I bought a burrito from a guy wearing a Boston cap, but he looked more like a Jose than a Nick. Hmmmm.
But what was up with that ‘Jeter just wants to win’ comment. I agree, but how does that have bearing on this topic? I just want to win too and I am not overwhelmed with warm feelings about AJ at this moment.
Frank,
Were you correcting the silver price?
Silver closed at 16.63.
I know I am a Sox fan but I am not an idiot. Well…
-dennis
Randy and PAT can probably answer the question on degree of difficulty in catching a curveball like Burnett’s, but, my guess is that given the speed and amount of break, it’s probably ranks with Carlton’s and Guidry’s slider.
He’s pitched fine with both of them behind the plate. Right?
I love AJ, but he’s like a hit or miss. He gives me anxiety during his starts. Maybe I’m not paying attention much, but I don’t see his miscues having anything to do with the catcher. He has done good with both Molina & Posada, but I think Jorgie gives the best chance to win.
m
Agree. I want to give every player wearing the Pinstripes the benefit of the doubt. Here is AJ getting the contract of his life to play for the NYYs. He wants to prove that he belongs here (He seems to have been a + in the clubhouse).
He has a pitch that he knows can use to get just about every hitter to look foolish. But sometimes it goes in the dirt. He has to know that his catcher is going to keep it in front of him. If he doesn’t have that confidence, he becomes something of a one-dimensional fb pitcher.
Keep in mind that Posada was hurt by the lack of a real spring training as far as having a lot of in-game work with Burnett and then missed a month of the season. I believe that there will be a significant improvement in the way they work together, next year.
GB7.
Hope you are well. We got a call today from the folks that look after our place in Savannah that the roof has water damage from all the rain..Darn!
Hope to see you and PAT M once Amy and I get back to GA in Dec..
-dennis
dennis, the silver market seems to be open 23 hours a day, at least on the site I check. It’s $16.86 at last click.
www.http://www.kitcosilver.com/
I just clicked on the ‘Recommended’ button for every Yankee-fan comment on Pete’s site. And dennis’ comment too.
oops, you get the idea
I think that if AJ is feeling it with Jose, that absolutely gives us the best chance to win on that particular day.
I’m sure AJ is broken up that you’re not feeling warm and fuzzy. You’re a valued fan. Hopefully, Jose can smooth things for us, and AJ will be ready to go whether it’s game 2 or 3 (cough-mistake).
Backbench: did AJ have confidence in Jorge during his best stretch of the season, in which Jorge caught almost all of the games? Did he then lose it?
” I believe that there will be a significant improvement in the way they work together, next year.”
Absolutely. Girardi, and Pena understand what is going on. Posada will be in much better shape coming into ST next year. It would seem that predictions of Jose moving on would also be true, so the discussion, at least as far as it goes between those two catchers, will be mute.
m: you knew I would notice that you didn’t answer the question, right?
Nick,
I know you asked backbench, but I do think AJ lost some confidence in the game AJ set a career high in wild pitches (I know hard to do.).
Not saying it was Posada’s fault, AJ was wild that day. But maybe things changed after that game.
Backbench: oh my god, I wish the discussion would be mute right now!
Perhaps it will be MOOT next season, but we’ll see.
Having Molina catch Burnett is the right move. A very smart move by Girardi. Molina works really well with Burnett. This is Burnett’s first postseason start, I’m sure his emotions will be up. Molina will do a better job getting him through the game than Posada would.
It is not as big of a deal has people are making it to be. If Burnett struggles he will be out of the game and Posada will be back behind the plate. It might only be 1 or 2 at bats. If Burnett pitches well then there wont be a need for Posada bat because AJ can shut down the other team.
m: what was the date of that game?
Nick,
I think we can all remember a period where Jorge seemed really tired (or hurt). He did not leg out a grounder in one game that resulted in a missed infield hit and JG (and everyone else) really landed on him.
GB is probably right that he just hit a ‘wall’ and that’s when he also started missing a few too many pitches. Over the whole season, the numbers leveled off, but there was a time where Jorge was not covering those pitches and I think it was right around the time you mention.
Nick,
I did answer your question. Betsy said that Jeter would be mad with AJ. And I said Jeter just wants to win. I think pairing up AJ/Jose gives a good chance to do that.
You can disagree with the premise that the AJ/Jose combo gives us the best chance, but that doesn’t mean I ignored your question.
Nick.
I track silver with US crude oil hours.
Perhaps I will stop doing that and giving the 5-stars…
I love taffy.
-dennis
Nick…
Great catch. Sorry.
It’s late. I’ll go on MUTE now.
Nick,
LET IT GO. Seriously. You and randy do just as much to continue the “discussion” and it got really, realy old months ago. No one cares, except that it makes the blog less enjoyable for most of the rest of us.
AJ has been just as good as he was last year; he gave up less hits and earned runs as compared to last year, in addition to the fact that he had a lower ERA (although just a smidgen).
The thing about AJ is that he can shine in the spotlight, and as a Yankee fan, you want to expect big things come this week. If Molina adds to those odds, then so be it.
Thanks for you input, Clare, but several of us are having a reasonable discussion about a baseball topic right now.
m, I just answered you but my reply got filtered. I’ll try again in a sec.
So if Molina catches AJ and AJ is amazing, Molina would get the next start behind the plate with him too.
But if Molina catches AJ and AJ isn’t stellar, who gets the next start behind the plate?
AJ’s game log:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/players.....yerId=4153
The game you asked about was 8/12/09.
Maybe Girardi can catch
m, you ignored my followup twice so I’ll try a third time.
You said Jeter just wants to win. Agreed. But he might also think that Posada in the lineup catching AJ is the best way to win, in which case he might not be so happy with the situation. Or he might think it should be Molina. I have no idea.
But what does wanting to win have to do with coming down either way on this topic?
Frank in Chatham NJ…..I do believe if Jorge has 2 more years as per his Topps Card, he’s definately a Hall candidate…..His numbers will favorable to guys like Carter…..He’s a young 37 due to the fact that he was 2nd baseman until late in his Minor League career……He will be at least a borderline candidate…..Pudge gets all the ink, however Jorge has been the best catcher in MLB this decade
PAT M.
Did you end up doing OK this weekend?
-dennis
Nick,
You’re giving me a headache. Seriously. Do you want to give me a hint on what you want my answer to be. I’d hate for you to ask a 4th time.
Okay, admittedly I late, but I was just reading through the thread and after doing my best to stay far, far away for months now, saw your latest attempt to have the last word, which prompted my post.
And you really can’t accuse anyone else of being condescending after that post to me.
Jeter always wants to win, no question, but he’s also Po’s best friend. To answer your question, I think he would want Posada in that lineup.
Clare, what does my reply to you have to do with what anyone else writes? Multiple people can’t be condescending? You have lost me.
m: I must be completely misunderstanding whatever point you’re trying to make about Derek Jeter if you’re not getting what I’m asking. But saying that Derek Jeter just wants to win seems like a nonsequitur reply to what Betsy said.
GB, I had a hard enough time hitting those pitches, so I’m glad to report I wasn’t asked to catch them as well….That being said, there was no pitch that I viewed as mission impossible more than a hard slider coming from a lefty, and I hit from the right side after it was suggested to me that I’d be a great switch hitter if I was playing softball……………..Dennis Coastanza, USC saved Saturday, and I was able to squezze out some black ink yesterday….A-Rod’s 100 rbi’s was the highlite of the weekend ( $ 200.00 )
Well, I must be completely understanding what you’re asking.
Jeter just wants to win. If that means laying down a bunt, wearing a golden thong, or ignoring AJ’s “diva” attitude that Betsy had insinuated would not make Jeter happy, he’ll do it if that’s what it takes to win.
Yes, we agree over and over that Jeter wants to win and he will do his best to win the game regardless. Does that mean he wouldn’t have an opinion about whether Jorge Posada should be in the lineup or an internal reaction if he isn’t?
Nick,
If Jeter has an opinion about it either way, we won’t hear about it. That is the essence of Jeter. Oh, where’s PollyannaPorkchop when I need him/her?
m, I agree that we don’t hear about Jeter’s opinion on this matter.
Betsy opined that Jeter will not be happy with AJ.
You said Jeter just wants to win.
I was just trying to figure out what the one has to do with the other in your view, but I’m ok at this point dropping it.
Nick,
I was just really trying to dispute the notion that Jeter would be unhappy with AJ.
If AJ/molina gives them a good chance to win (I think so, and Girardi might be leaning that way if the whispers are true), then why would Jeter be unhappy with AJ? Because Jorge’s his best friend? Because it takes Jorge’s bat out of the lineup? Who would be the diva then, questioning Girardi’s decision?
m. polyannaporkchop has been mia for quite sometime here…I remember he used to post the funniest commentaries…..But it’s been at least a year since I recall seeing a post……Nick in SF is a little chaffed tonight, yes ????? Turn away from the wind, you’re just going to splash yourself
Ok, that’s what I thought you meant. But since it’s just as likely that Jeter thinks that Posada gives them the best chance to win, I don’t think the ‘Jeter just wants to win’ answer was really applicable.
But I agree with you that Betsy’s formulation — ‘I think AJ is a diva, therefore Jeter will be unhappy with him’ — is flawed. I don’t think any of us — you, me, her — should assume that any player agrees with us about this topic absent evidence.
The reason I was questioning you was becuase it seemed like you were saying that Jeter wouldn’t be unhappy with AJ because Jeter wants to win *and Molina catching AJ gives us the best chance to win so that’s what Jeter would want.* And it still sorta sounds like you’re saying that.
Maybe Jeter feels that way, maybe not. Anyway, I think I get what you’re saying, so thanks for sticking with me on it.
hahah, Pat M, my discussion with commenter m, one of my top faves here regardless how far I fall on her list, is on a whole different level than my… other discussion.
But maybe I reacted a little too harshly to commenter Clare coming out of the woodwork to tell me to shut up. Sorry, Clare.
Giradi was on the club when Torre benched Tino and his 44 dingers to start Cecil Fielder, he also sat Timmy Raines and started The Straw instead in World Series games in 1996…..So if Giradi himself believes that Molina recieving AJ Burnett is the best way to go, so be it….If AJ wants Molina to catch him, then that’s were the rub may cause a ribble in the clubhouse…..It’s all speculation and Giradi will not open that subject to a question & answer session I would think……
Pat m,
Nick who?
He certainly possesses a Byzantine mind. Too clever for me at times.
But I know his Achilles heel. He doesn’t like being ignored.
I don’t like being ignored by you, m.
Some others, I would prefer it.
Seem, both Nick in SF & myself have not only a great sense of respect for you which is only surpassed by your wit and your sense of humor……
Every time I think about this situation, I think about Bull Durham, when Crash told Annie that a player on a hot streak has to respect the streak. If a pitcher thinks they are winning because they have a lava lizzard growing out of their third eye, then they are. (Or someting like that.) Anyhow, if AJ thinks he is pitching well because Molina has been catching him, then he is.
ED H……The problem is, he’s not…..Nevertheless it’s October 6th and the Postseason starts tomorrow, so I guess you dance with the girl that you brought…..It just better work out or the media & the fans are going to do more than pie AJ, they’re going to grille right under the El on Jerome Ave…..
Here’s a hypothetical situation that I hope never happens:
If A.J. has to pitch Game 5 due to certain circumstances, one of them being A.J./Molina losing game 2, do you still want Molina in the lineup to catch when A.J. pitches the deciding game 5?
I don’t. Even in game 2.
Oh, I can’t wait for Molina to sign a contract in the off-season that runs through the end of A.J.’s contract. Because, you know, surely we want A.J. to pitch good and win all the time, right?
:/
I do not support A.J./Molina.
I support pitchers owning their poor performance.
I support catchers who respond to silly pitcher comments with “of course you want that pitch back when its flying out of the park.”
“Giradi was on the club when Torre benched Tino and his 44 dingers to start Cecil Fielder”
Actually he benched Tino and his 25 homers (he hit 44 in ’97) in favor of Fielder and his 39 homers. Those games were in the NL park and two were started by lefthanders. Fielder hit 3 homers and knocked in 12 over the ALDS and ALCS while Tino went for 0 and 0. Torre had to choose and he went with the hot bat, who rewarded him by going 6 for 11 in the 3 games in Atlanta.
Detroit is in danger of becoming the 1st team to be in 1st place every day from May 10th on until losing the title in the last week.