It takes a village
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Oct 06, 2009 
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As we wait for the Yankees to make the final decision on their ALDS roster, I found myself thinking back to some of the players who made cameos for the Yankees during the 2009 season.
Here’s the list of all players who played in at least one game this year. In all, the Yankees used 45 different players to get them through 162 games. Remember when the bullpen featured Jose Veras and Edwar Ramirez? Remember when Cody Ransom was the answer at third base while Alex Rodriguez rehabbed? Remember the Angel Berroa jokes?
It’s amazing to think of all the people it took to get the Yankees to this point in the season. Sometimes the little pieces in the puzzle can be nearly as important as the big ones.
It’s still amazed me that Berroa was the Rookie of the year 2003….
Sometimes the little pieces in the puzzle can be nearly as important as the big ones.
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ummm, I’m pretty sure almost every piece responsible for the Yankees success this season is still on the roster. Each piece they shed this year actually made them a stronger team.
Given the ridiculous, over-blown debating on this board, I’m surprised you’re counting that no-good do-nothing lazy Posada as a contributor.
How could we forget Berroa with the constant inane about his age from Pete. It’s easy to forget some (like the fact that Nady actually played in a few games). I’d like to see the breakdown if you remove the September call-ups (like Ian Kennedy), who weren’t really contributors, or seen by the team as important components to the season.
ditmars1929
“Given the ridiculous, over-blown debating on this board”
So you are proposing a blog that does not debate?
Good one.
How about that posters actaully thought that Cody Ransom was a better option at 3rd than ARod.
Nah, Vrsce, blog debates are great. My only point, just making a joke (and a stale one too), was how it went on over and over for three months, with the same people saying the same thing. Just got turned into a dead horse, that’s all.
Ok got it.
I agree about the circuitous nature of some topics. Part of the deal.
Pris
October 6th, 2009 at 10:01 am
It’s still amazed me that Berroa was the Rookie of the year 2003….
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It still amazes me that he beat Hideki Matsui
“How about that posters actaully thought that Cody Ransom was a better option at 3rd than ARod.”
How about the GM who first put forth that premise?
Yes, Vrsce, and while the circuitous nature of some topics can get old and is part of the deal, this is still the best Yankee blog on the internet. Sam and Josh have done an excellent job, and I’m looking forward to Chad getting his feet wet here.
Who would you consider the “little guys” to be though. I dont think you can really say Gardner, as he was chosen out of ST. To me Berroa made no difference to the team, and Ransom was OK, but really the team started doing well when A-Rod came back.
If Hughes is considered to be one of the little guys, he sure was the piece to the puzzle this year. The bullpen wouldn’t have been as strong as it was without him.
That Berroa beat Matsui was not so much of a surprise, his numbers were comparable. Pair that with him playing a more important defensive position(although not well), and the bias against giving ROY to a player who was really a veteran, and it makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is that Berroa has completely fallen off the map since then.
Erica – always OPPC October 6th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Pris
October 6th, 2009 at 10:01 am
It’s still amazed me that Berroa was the Rookie of the year 2003….
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It still amazes me that he beat Hideki Matsui
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Almost forgot about that… I want to know who voted Berroa over Matsui, I need them to look at me in the eyes and said they honestly believed Berroa is a much better player..
Here is a link of when Berroa won ROY in 2003
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=1658488
It still amuses me to read he was only 25 years old when he won the award.
The problem with the Berroa/Matsui thing was the inconsistency the voters showed, because Ichiro was considered a rookie by a number of voters and won ROY but Matsui was discredited on a number of ballots for playing in Japan just like Ichiro. You could have argued for either guy and not been crazy in that year, but the argument against Matsui due to his previous Japanese experience was flying in the face of voting precedence set by Ichiro’s win.
Remember also that Sasaki won ROY in 2000, Ichiro in 2001. There was probably the worry that ROY was simply going to turn into Best Japanese Import. Notice that Matsuzaka did not win in his rookie year either. Pedroia won that year, he may have been more deserving on his own merits, maybe not.
Oh, also, the now-mostly-forgotten Japanese closer from Seattle Kaz Sasaki also won rookie of the year, the year before Ichiro. So, 2 instances it’s okay, but 3rd time is not the charm for Hideki.
It doesn’t really matter in the long-run because Hideki has had a good career and far surpassed Berroa’s usefulness in the majors, but still, it is a sign of how weird MLB awards voting can be. So a caution to all those who are already set on knowing who the seasonal award winners are this year–baseball writers do weird things on ballots.
I was always of the opinion that professional (read: veteran) Japanese players shouldn’t be voted ROY in MLB. Just doesn’t seem right to me. My brother argues against me by saying Japanese baseball is equivalent to MLB’s minor leagues (AAA), so the Japanese should be considered for ROY in MLB. It’s an interesting debate.
There was very little difference between Berroa and Matsui in 2003.
Berroa was a shortstop and more of a classic rookie, so he got the vote. Nothing too mysterious.
ditmars1929
October 6th, 2009 at 10:38 am
I was always of the opinion that professional (read: veteran) Japanese players shouldn’t be voted ROY in MLB. Just doesn’t seem right to me. My brother argues against me by saying Japanese baseball is equivalent to MLB’s minor leagues (AAA), so the Japanese should be considered for ROY in MLB. It’s an interesting debate.
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Interesting argument that Japan is MLB’s minor leagues. Especially since Japan has been the only winner of the two WBCs
If I were a Japanese star, I would consider it an insult to my league that I would be considered a rookie in the US. On the other hand, they probably woldn’t have come here if they didn’t think it was a step up.
I see a lot of “sixth time in seven years”, but not too much “14th time in 15 years”.
So, who you guys got winning today? Accuscore has Minny @ 65% chance of winning.
I’ll go out on a limb and say Minny. Twins are hot and they’ve got HFA this season as opposed to last years play-in game.
maybe because that’s wrong.
15th time in 16 years
Pete’s Berroa jokes were the best part of this blog for a long time… I should have seen the joke set up coming but he usually fooled me and spaced out the Berroa jokes enough to keep them funny.
Will be interesting to see how Porcello fares in such a big game. Most likely the bullpens will be heavily involved in this game considering how important it is, which probably gives the Twins an edge based on their b.p. depth. Also if it is tied or Los Tigres have a lead in the 9th, Fernando Rodney will presumably be a thrill a minute trying to protect a lead.
Yes, Erica, Japan being considered MLB’s minor leagues is an interesting thought there. My brother’s opinion, he’d tell you two things:
1. If Japanese baseball were on as high a level as MLB, then there would be a heck of a lot more Japanese players over here.
2. The WBC is a joke (he’s very cynical about that).
Nice points, Mark.
# Christina- Here come the bandwagoners… October 6th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Here is a link of when Berroa won ROY in 2003
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/…..id=1658488
It still amuses me to read he was only 25 years old when he won the award.
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I didn’t know Teixeira finished 5th the same year? I guess ROY doesn’t always forecast the future of a player~
“I guess ROY doesn’t always forecast the future of a player~”
Notable recent ROY busts:
Bob Hamelin 1994
Marty Cordova 1995
Ben Grieve 1998
Eric Hinske 2002
Berroa 2003
Bobby Crosby 2004
Maybe we were fortunate that Matsui didn’t win.
Mark in Tampa
October 6th, 2009 at 10:58 am
“I guess ROY doesn’t always forecast the future of a player~”
Notable recent ROY busts:
Bob Hamelin 1994
Marty Cordova 1995
Ben Grieve 1998
Eric Hinske 2002
Berroa 2003
Bobby Crosby 2004
Maybe we were fortunate that Matsui didn’t win.
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Wow. I didn’t realize the Yankees had 3 former rookies of the year on their roster at various points this season
Is Girardi better suited as a rookie postseason manager because of the stage the Yankees play on all year?
I would think he should be. For the Yankees, a Tuesday game in May can be seen as a “must win” sometimes to the fanbase and media in NY.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/1.....k-his-pee/
I will say this,,if game 3 has AJ /Molina in,as soon as AJ comes out of the game Posada is coming in.
5 players got ROY votes in 2003. 3 are currently marginal major leaguers, Berroa, Baldelli, Gerut. Two are starring for the Yankees, Matsui and Teixeira.
Erica – always OPPC October 6th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Mark in Tampa
October 6th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Notable recent ROY busts:
Bob Hamelin 1994
Marty Cordova 1995
Ben Grieve 1998
Eric Hinske 2002
Berroa 2003
Bobby Crosby 2004
Maybe we were fortunate that Matsui didn’t win.
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Wow. I didn’t realize the Yankees had 3 former rookies of the year on their roster at various points this season
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As John Sterling would say – “You can never predict baseball”….
Erica-
Monday the Yankees put 200 standing room tickets and 60 cafe tickets[ behind home plate] on sale as I read in the NY Post today. Any availability?
Don’t know who to root for today?? If we’re concerned about Verlander, he won’t be the only potential CY Young pitcher we’ll face on the road to the World Series. However playing at least one game in a packed Metrodome that also is adding extra seats is no picnic either.
Any consensus on the blog?
I at least hope the game goes many extra innings using up their pitching staffs, that they arrive very late in NY and that there hotel reservation has been cancelled!!! LOL
If Twins advance today, Gardenhire says Duensing gets the start in Game 1.
Yanks had a brief look at him in July in relief when he pitched 2.2 innings, gave up 2 hits, 4 walks and 4 earned runs.
Angel Berroa was delivered Brett Favre.
Coolstandings.com has Minn,56.8 %
Yankee Trader
October 6th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Erica-
Monday the Yankees put 200 standing room tickets and 60 cafe tickets[ behind home plate] on sale as I read in the NY Post today. Any availability?
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I have no desire to stand on a cold night in the Bronx for about 5 hours. LOL. I could be comfy at home in my pjs. I was only considering going because a friend thought he had an extra ticket
Malox and all other assorted ‘calming agents’ at the ready, we now begin MLB’s “Crazy Week.”
Amazing that in the 5 game format, 48 % of the teams with the better record lose, and 10 of 19 teams with over 100 wins in a season have lost.
http://online.wsj.com/article/....._lifestyle
Stay ‘frosty’ Yankees.
Interesting from Wikepdia- Damon has a link to Berroa also!!
“Berroa was acquired in 2001 by the Kansas City Royals from the Oakland Athletics in a three-way trade also involving the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Kansas City acquired Berroa, relief pitcher Roberto Hernández, and backup catcher A.J. Hinch in exchange for Johnny Damon and infielder Mark Ellis. He spent the 2001 season with the Single-A Wilmington Blue Rocks and the Double-A Wichita Wranglers.
He made his major league debut on September 18, 2001 for the Royals against the Cleveland Indians as a defensive replacement and went 0-1 in his debut. He recorded his first career Major League hit in his first career start, at shortstop on September 25 off of Detroit Tigers pitcher José Lima. He played in a total of 15 games that season and hit .302 in 53 at bats.
In 2002 he spent most of the season with the Triple-A Omaha Royals. He was selected to play for the World Team in the All-Star Futures Game and also played in the Pacific Coast League All-Star Game. He appeared in twenty games for the Royals after a September call-up.
Berroa was handed the starting shortstop job at the start of the 2003 season after the departure of Neifi Pérez (despite hitting a disappointing .194 in the previous season’s Dominican Winter League). Berroa started the season hitting ninth in the batting order and committing 19 errors in his first 63 games. However, he finished the season with a .287 batting average with 17 home runs, 73 RBI, and 21 stolen bases, and committed only five more errors the rest of the season. Late in the season, manager Tony Peña moved Berroa to the top of the batting order, and Berroa’s performance sparked a media debate over who should be the American League Rookie of the Year: Berroa, Devil Rays outfielder Rocco Baldelli, Cleveland Indians outfielder Jody Gerut, or New York Yankees outfielder Hideki Matsui, a former star in the Japanese Baseball Central League.”
Yankee Trader
October 6th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Interesting from Wikepdia- Damon has a link to Berroa also!!
“Berroa was acquired in 2001 by the Kansas City Royals from the Oakland Athletics in a three-way trade also involving the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Kansas City acquired Berroa, relief pitcher Roberto Hernández, and backup catcher A.J. Hinch in exchange for Johnny Damon and infielder Mark Ellis. He spent the 2001 season with the Single-A Wilmington Blue Rocks and the Double-A Wichita Wranglers.
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Angel Berroa for Johnny Damon. Yipes. LOL.
Although in defense of the KC GM, Damon was probably about to hit free agency at that time and they probably couldn’t resign him
Interesting debate- should Matsui gotten the ROY award over Berroa in 2003? Answer:
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Charlie
October 6th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Interesting debate- should Matsui gotten the ROY award over Berroa in 2003? Answer:
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If you have something more interesting to share please don’t let me stop you. If not, why bother commenting?
Duensing was pitching when Gomez went over the “baggie” and stole the grandslam from Alex that day in Minny.
This is such *BS*.
Why is the spotlight on ARod any more than it is on the other 8 guys in that lineup?????????
This is how EVERY friggin playoff w/ the Yankees begins. The media over exaggerates the importance of ARod in that lineup.
Its a team game and everyone relies on everyone else to manufacture runs whether they hit in the 1, 4, or 9 hole or wherever else. If this team has shown us anything offensively, it is that they are stacked from 1 through 9 and EVERY guy is capable of and should be expected to produce.
I see the numbers, I see how the Yankees took flight once ARod came back. He was the missing link in an already solid lineup, but it wasn’t just ARod’s presence that allowed that lineup to excel.
Let’s put the spotlight on EVERY hitter and not just ARod. Despite what you guys write, I actually believe that ARod knows that he can count on the guys around him to be just as accountable as he is for the success, or lack thereof, that the team has in October (and hopefully November).
Erica,
Have you heard from Pete???
I’m pretty torn about which team I’d rather face. If you believe in momentum, the crowd/aura etc…then you no doubt want the Tigers. True you get Verlander 2x if it goes 5 but there are 3 other games you can win.
The Metrodome is in its last year (in case you all don’t know this), that place will be so loud and the Twins have been on quite a roll (then again they haven’t played many winning teams on this run). That being said the Tigers clearly have more talent so you might want to take your chances with the Twins. The only place I see them with the clear advantage over the Tigers is the pen (from Nathan on down). The Tigers have the hitters that have done it before, the Twins don’t. Sure they have the MVP and some dangerous hitters but up and down they’re clearly the weaker lineup with the weaker starting staff.
Like everyone is saying how about they play 15innings today. This extra day is huge for us because there is a chance some of the top pen guys will either not be available or will be very tired by tomorrow 6pm.
Joe
October 6th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Erica,
Have you heard from Pete???
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Nope. I know a couple of other regulars dropped in on his new blog though
30 hours and 30 minutles until Game 1
“Randy and PAT can probably answer the question on degree of difficulty in catching a curveball like Burnett’s, but, my guess is that given the speed and amount of break, it’s probably ranks with Carlton’s and Guidry’s slider.” -gb7
“Having sen AJ’s curve do things that defy physics (NIST says the maximum curve an MLB pitch can actually ‘curve’ is 17.5 inches. I’m not sure they tested AJ), it seems to me that his confidence in a game is directly proportional to his feeling comfortable throwing that pitch.
It appeared for a while during the season that Jorge was getting a bit tired and his legs weren’t letting him move fast enough to block that pitch when it went awry. Molina seems to have been able to keep AJ’s curve in front of him all season.” -backbench
these two comments are both talking about whether burnett is difficult to catch.
i don’t remember even thinking as a bullpen catcher that a fastball, slider , or curve ever even concerned me. my closest experience to similar stuff to burnett was catching jack armstrong the winter before he started the national league all star game in 1990.
“Armstrong had the best year of his career with the Cincinnati Reds in 1990. He won eight of his first nine starts and was the National League’s starting pitcher in the All-Star Game. He tailed off, however, ending the year with a record of 12-9 and a 3.42 ERA”-wik
jack was a two pitch pitcher- high 90′s and a slider. jack had good command when i caught him. neither pitch one was hard to catch .
now aj burnett’s curve ball or whatever he calls it is a nastier pitch than jack armstrong’s slider,so could that be harder to catch? maybe, because it breaks down more and and can hit the thumb like a hard sinker sometimes does.
that will mess up a catcher by slowly injuring the thumb. an chronic injured thumb is what helped hasten the retirement of johny bench.
but i think that because of the slower speed of burnett’s breaking pitch it’s not likely to give the trouble a hard sinker in the low 90′s would.
so in the air, no problem. i don’t think a pro catcher would even think about it.
in the dirt it becomes a different story. baseballs in the dirt don’t always bounce predictably and can sometimes eat up even the best catchers.
this is where burnett gets hard to catch, but i don’t really see molina being much better than posada on balls in the dirt when they both have fresh legs. when posada gets tired he sometimes gets lazy with his body, but when he’s not overtired he’s actually pretty good on blocking balls with his body.
a good catcher should be able to block balls off his chest and have the ball land at his feet. molina himself sometimes uses his glove too much instead of dropping the mitt to the ground and blocking with his body.
i don’t think balls in the dirt when both guys have fresh legs fresh is going to separate them very much.
but back to the comments. is aj burnett hard to catch. my answer is no if the ball is in the air, but when its’s in the dirt, yeah he looks a little difficult because he has so much spin on his breaking ball.
you can get used to a pitcher’s bounced breaking ball as each pitchers bounced ball has a consistent spin unique to that pitcher as long as it doesn’t hit a bad spot or pebble or the plate. the ball will bounce the opposite way the ball is breaking.
the catcher has to turn his body square to the ball bouncing back toward him. this is where having an active body comes in to knock the ball down in front of the catcher.
if the catcher is lazy and doesn’t get squared up to the bounce the ball will bounce off at an angle and probably far from the catcher with the runner advancing.
one thing to watch for in a good catcher is that they block balls and are active with their bodies when no one is on base. this way they are developing good habits of blocking balls in the right way.
Official Missing Persons Report-
Uncle Ellsworth- still missing
Where are you???
Mad Prince
As long as Alex and the team aren’t over exaggerating the importance of A-Rod, no worries what those outside the clubhouse are doing.
Mark in Tampa October 6th, 2009 at 10:19 am
“How about that posters actaully thought that Cody Ransom was a better option at 3rd than ARod.”
How about the GM who first put forth that premise?
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How about consider that he was just trying to pump the guy up. After all he had no other options at third. Do you want him to say he is going to suck at third?
Don’t forget this is the same GM that swore up and down the Bubba would be our starting Cf’er.
Jennifer
October 6th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Mark in Tampa October 6th, 2009 at 10:19 am
How about consider that he was just trying to pump the guy up. After all he had no other options at third. Do you want him to say he is going to suck at third?
Don’t forget this is the same GM that swore up and down the Bubba would be our starting Cf’er.
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I believed him when he said that. Personally, i was thrilled he lied
ALDS countdown: http://xrl.in/39v0
Randy, other than experience behind the plate in professional baseball, what qualifications do you have to support the contention that Posada is a better overall catcher than Molina and is more than capable of catching AJ? Inquiring minds want to know…
-Yankee Trade
I’ve been saying the same thing for s week.
Let Minn tie it up and use Verlander.-CHECK
Let it go to the 1 game playoff.-CHECK
Let them both deplete their bull pens.
Let it go 15 or more innings.
Let the plane not be ready at the departure time.
Let them arrive at 5 am Wed morning.
Jim the VT Yankeefan
October 6th, 2009 at 11:45 am
ALDS countdown: http://xrl.in/39v0
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Dude, are you peeing on my parade? LOL
Just trying to save you from doing the mental arithmetic. :-p
Jim the VT Yankeefan
October 6th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Just trying to save you from doing the mental arithmetic. :-p
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I don’t mind that. Its not too hard and it keep me entertained
mel, thanks for the link to that article and for your ledger. I am sure you had to thrill to reading the article, as I did, if only because it adds some measure of credibility to an argument we were vociferously told had no credibility. I use the word vindication. It’s unfortunate there should have to be any of that here, but when posters flat out tell you that your idea is wrong, crazy, silly, idiotic, etc., that’s the word that comes to mind. I prefer the mutual respect that comes in speaking your peace but always telling the other person you respect their ideas and may even understand (in theory) where they may be coming from, but you just simply disagree. And no matter who tries to fly in and say that is not how I conduct business, everyone here knows for a fact that I will stick to my opinion like glue but I don’t call others idiots for thinking differently nor do I call their ideas silly, delusional, or the like.
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Betsy, I just want to say that I hope you can get past your upset with AJ for this reason. If he has a preference or something works better for him (I am saying IF) the bottom line is to win games. I don’t think of him as being a DIVA, I think of him as having some needs because of the makeup of his personality that are better met with one person than another.
If Molina catches AJ, I think it is a good thing. However if Girardi makes the decision to go with Posada, I am not going to be angry at Girardi and call him a terrible manager. The one thing I hope we’ve all learned by now is that the smartest person in the game is the one that got us to 103 wins. That would be nobody posting on this forum, me included.
pat,
I just find it annoying that we go through the motions like this EVERY time we start a playoff series. I guess I should be used to it but its not like Barry Bonds was on the Giants in 2002 when they needed him (and steroids) to carry the entire offense to the series.
Of course, everyone knows that pitching is the playoff x-factor.
Japanese PLAYERS shouldn’t be ineligible for rookie of the year … it’s the VETERANS who should be excluded. How about someone like Juinichi Tazawa up in Boston? He’s actually a true rookie. He’s not good enough to win the rookie award this year, but at least he should be eligible for it. Someone else from Japan (or another country) will come along who is worthy of the award though.
It’s the established Japanese veterans like Matusi, Nomo, Ichiro or Matsuzaka who shouldn’t have been eligible.
Going back a post or two to add my two cents … I feel bad for the fans who paid $600, or $1200, or $2600, or whatever for early-season premium seats, only to see Yanks play scrubs like Cody Ransom, Angel Berroa, Jose Veras and Skinny Edwar playing behind Wang, who was clearly not ready to come back yet.
Not that I wasn’t or am not a fan of the Wanger. He just wasn’t ready to pitch. I do hope he gets another shot here.
I was listening to WEEI this morning and they are talking about the upcoming series. Of course they had to throw in the bit about the Yankees spending (if they don’t win the first round that will be the most expensive team to lose in the first round ha ha ha ha ha.) But what I found most interesting was Michael Holly’s take on the ALCS. He definitely wants it to be a Sux-Yanks series. He said he would find it almost boring if it wasn’t and that when the Yanks and Sux play the ALCS, the world series is almost anticlimatic.
Ah that I could be that generous of spirit of care that much about the “interest” aspect of the game. I want the Angles to take the Sux down like the sinking of the Titanic. I want them to be mashed into oblivion, preferably in three games.
In every game they ever play I root for a Sux loss. Why would I stop now?
Can’t help it. They’re just not my beverage of choice.
pete made his first post today–most of the commenters are from here….
trisha,
Mark my words: Boston will beat the Angels.
I hate to say it, but it is fact. In a five game series, they will own the Angels. Look for dominant outings by Lester and Beckett.
No one in the Angels rotation can rise to that level.
I hope I am wrong.
mike eff,
Who cares about Peter now?
And why read what he has to write when its going to be entirely about the Red Sox.
I loved his work here, but he is now writing about the enemy.
The foreign veterans being eligible for rookie of the year topic is pretty clear to me, but I’m torn on how to handle Igawa.
Let’s say somehow he gets acquired by San Diego, the Marlins or someone like that in the next few years. Never mind how or why, or how much the Yanks would have to pay some smokin’ hot call girl to seduce & blackmail either of their GMs into agreeing to an Igawa-based deal … just imagine someone actually wants him.
Maybe he would be eligible for the rookie of the year award then, because he’s OBVOIUSLY not someone who came over here as a major league level player.
Mad Prince, I’m just wishing and praying for the opposite outcome, no matter the odds!
Kevin Cash?
Should the Cashman try to bring his friend Kevin Towers (fired from Padres)the longest tenured GM IN THE GAME on board in front office?
7 teams including the Mutts are interested in him.
http://www.riveraveblues.com
The article:Should the Yankees try to bring Kevin Towers aboard?
It discusses how it could help the Yankees and Cashman.
If you want a warm a fuzzy laugh.Nesn.com has an article on:Bawston’s star studded bull pen that even the 3 commenters on the story aren’t buying !