“Ghost, I don’t have the answer to that, but I do remember a recent postseason (2006? not sure) where one of the teams that eeked it out at the end actually went further than the early clinchers and sportscasters postulated that the long wait actually hurt the favorites.”
“other than experience behind the plate in professional baseball, what qualifications do you have to support the contention that Posada is a better overall catcher than Molina and is more than capable of catching AJ?”
well the past few years i sit on my butt and watch a lot of baseball games on tv and i’m pretty quick with my remote.
all kidding aside, you have to understand that i was a bullpen catcher which is the lowest level guy in uniform except for the batboy( and i was lucky to do even that), but i do know what it feels like to catch mlb pitchers. i had a very good defensive catcher named stan cliburn teach me how to catch. stan has been the twins triple a( rochester red wings) manager for the last 4 years and most of the young twins on the mlb roster went through stan including mauer.
the problem in this particular posada debate is that there are baseball people who seem to have different opinions about it.
david cone says one thing and then someone else says another.
it’s obvious all people who played the game don’t agree on everything .
i doubt that cone or other major league player if they were picking a team, would ever pick molina over posada to be the starter on that team.
so cone himself would consider molina a back up and posada a starter.
the question never becomes is posada a bad catcher because the answer is no. he’s one of the best overall catchers in baseball even at his present age. everyone in the game would say that.
no one would pick molina over posada to be the starter. if posada went on the market as a catcher he’d get 10 million for next year on a one year contract. molina will be lucky to get a million.
as a starter there is no comparison between the two for overall value when everything is factored in.
the debate on this blog has mostly been fueled by trisha who admitted last night that ” I never stated that Molina was a better overall catcher than Posada. Never.” .
so if molina is not a better overall catcher than posada , why the huge argument?
the answer is really simply that molina has caught burnett a lot.
there’s always going to be one guy that a back up catcher catches and this year molina caught burnett a lot.
the problem is he became the #2 pitcher and gets two starts out of five in the first round of the playoffs.
so now girardi has a decision to make on who will catch in game two and game five.
this could have been avoided if the yankees would have just had posada cacth burnett the whole time which is what i would have done.
i would have had molina catch the fifth starter or even joba. the problem was that after the all star break it looked like joba might be a starter in the postseason.
the bottom line is it is what it is at this point and girardi will go with his instinct and make a decision for one game . then he’ll make another decision the next game burnett pitches based on what happened because of the first decision.
lets as yankee fans hope the yankees win these games and the series and put this in the rear view mirror because it’s not a good problem to have and obviously has the potential to be divisive.
“If you don’t recognize my name, there’s a good reason. I started at the Globe yesterday after working nearly 10 years at The Journal News of White Plains, N.Y. I spent the last four seasons covering the dreaded Yankees and the three years before that on the dreadful Mets”
These is quoted from Pete’s first real thread on the Globe. Well, I guess it’s part of the job to bash the Yankees but it also sounds like its coming from a relieved man. Maybe I’m looking too much into it.
Thanks for the posts. Hit the “snooze” button and am just getting up now. What a gorgeous picture. It rained for days and days on end over here, but when I woke up the sky was blue. And then I came here and saw the sky is blue in NY, too. Gotta be some kind of sign, right?
I can’t believe I’m getting excited over a play-in game. Jonesing for any kind of baseball will do that, I guess. But this one is actually relevant. I suspect at the end of the day, I’ll feel both fear and elation at the result as there are pros and cons of facing each.
The picture should be clearing up quite a bit by the end of the day. Thanks in advance for all the latest info.
raymagnetic, I think your anger toward Scioscia is misplaced and should have been directed at Torre all those years. Scioscia had a formula of play that Torre refused to match and therefore allowed the Yankees to always be on their heels worried about Scioscia’s next move. I think (hope) Girardi has figured out Scioscia this year – when you put him back on his heels his team’s weaknesses get exposed in the same way a screen passing football team can expose a bad defense that makes themselves seem stronger because they blitz all the time.
You know how the Yankees are faced with the decision about Bruney?
Same thing with Boston, they have to decide between Byrd & DelCarmen. You’d think DelCarmen right? But he’s lost his role to Max Ramirez, I think, and Byrd could serve as a spot starter in case Becky’s back barks. Or long relief if Chucky upchucks.
m, that’s nothing about the 45 degrees. Apparently they are expecting temperatures to drop into the 20s in Minny this weekend and there are snow showers possible Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Hopefully the Yankees can get home field advantage again in 2010, just to be safe in case they have to play the Twins.
Has two great articles Oct 5th: Jesus Montero( only 19 until Nov)not only considered the #1 prospect,but the next farm raised Jeter.
Article Oct 6th: Should the Yankees bring Kevin Towers to the Yankees.
He was the longest tenured GM in the game,recently let go by the Padres,and a good friend of Cashman.He could help in the front office,7 seven team have interest,including the Mutts.
Jeers well I actually have some things going on that make it impossible for me to sit just anywhere. I am claustrophic and I think that’s my problem sitting behind the net. I did it once and absolutely hated it. I have a problem with heights and unfortunately didn’t figure it out until the last game of last season when I went to sit in my Tier level seats and nearly passed out. I had to have my ex actually take my arm and walk me down to the concourse. Only because I found a guy who was willing to trade tickets did I end up with a seat! (First row, bleachers, right behind the Yanks bullpen, and I loved it!)
I think it’s a universal feeling among us Yankee fans right now, Erin. 8^)
I may even buy a new remote for the tv and wrap it so I have something to open before the first pitch.
In all seriousness, Yankee fans have to be feeling the best we have in a few years of our chances heading into the playoffs. Anything can happen in a short series, but with all the walkoffs and come from behind victories this year, we can be confident in the tools we have to get the job done. The days of the Sheffield first base experiments and batting ARod in the 8 spot are long gone. (Amen)
Erica – always OPPC
October 6th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Could your ears stand it if you listened to those two songs over and over again throughout the playoffs?
I don’t know lol. But it worked so now I’m superstitiuous about it! I have to try it again tomorrow. Maybe I’ll add Empire State of Mind into the mix now as a tribute to the Captain…
“so if molina is not a better overall catcher than posada , why the huge argument?
the answer is really simply that molina has caught burnett a lot.”
In particular, I think the games A.J. pitched on the road against BAL and BOS (w/ Posada catching) have left a negative impression on people & have skewed the whole “catcher ERA” thing. In those 4 games, A.J. has an ERA of 13, 4HR/9, 6K/9, and 6BB/9. Outside of those games, Posada has caught Burnett 12 times–80 IP, 28ER, 3.15ERA, .56 HR/9, 3.8BB/9.
Well, yeah, I think we all assumed they would. ESPECIALLY after the play-in game today. But it is great to get some level of confirmation, no? One less day to have to wait for some play-off baseball at the Stadium!
All of this talk about “Christmas-time in the Bronx” just fuels that old cliche – you don’t appreciate anything until it is gone.
Bets, if you can acknowledge that Girardi knows more than all of us put together, then you have to understand that he knows what’s best for the team. None of us have had privilege to anything that goes on behind the scenes, including internal conversations!
If Girardi uses Posada behind the plate when AJ pitches, no matter how it turns out I have to go into it believing Girardi knows what he’s doing – which he does. Win, lose, or draw, he wants the Yankees to win the world series and is going to do whatever he thinks will make that happen.
I make it a habit not to second guess once an event takes place because there is never any way of knowing how things would have turned out with a different scenario.
Trust and believe. Girardi’s managing got us to 103. Nobody else’s and certainly nobody’s here!
Seems like “which series will the Yankees pick?” is the worst-kept secret going.
And, yes the Twins rarely play past the first week of October (I assume that’s a reference to them being either not in the playoffs or bounced in round 1), but Minnesota is now looking at potentially 2 months of the season (April, October) where freezing cold and snow could play a role in games, as a result of their new stadium next year. Should be interesting. I would hate to be a hitter and get jammed during any games in those months at the new Twins ballpark in the future.
Bring on the tired team tomorrow!! I hope today’s game is a close game not a blow out, so both teams have to use the back of their bullpen and closers. Even though it doesn’t mean much for the Tigers because their bullpen is terrible besides their set up man.
Andrew – I have colleagues in Minneapolis whose office building looks right down into the new stadium through the outfield. On those cold days and nights in April and October, their conference rooms will be the best seats in the house!
“if you can acknowledge that Girardi knows more than all of us put together, then you have to understand that he knows what’s best for the team”
I used to assume that from team officials, until I heard Steve Phillips and Jim Bowden say things on TV that would sound dumb even coming from novice fans. That said, I wouldn’t put Girardi in that category, I do believe he knows what he is doing 100%.
Whoever had the idea to not make the new Twins Park(Target Field) without a restractable roof should be fired. Imagine if they go to a world series and paly into late October or who knows early November. They could be playing in 20 degrees weather… I’m sure the outfielders will love that.
I think people are underestimating the offensive difference between Posada and Molina. The difference in their OPS would be similar to replacing Mark Teixeira with Yunieski Betancourt. The drop off is ridiculous.
I will not argue that at this point in the season Burnett is probably more comfortable pitching to Molina. My argument is that it was Burnett, Posada, and Girardi’s job to get this straightened out. There’s a reason they play 162 games, and there’s no excuse to finish the season with a problem like this.
AJ Burnett is not some rookie that should need to be coddled. He’s a veteran pitcher that just signed a big contract. The truth is, everyone said that as long as he stayed healthy, it would be a good contract. That hasn’t been the case. The guy has pitched like a good #3 starter but he may be handcuffing the Yankees to the point where they can’t use one of the biggest advantages in the lineup. 33 games should be enough to get them on the same page. None of the other starters have this issue, so that leaves AJ to blame.
Geez, is there ANYTHING WORSE than waiting for the playoffs to start??? I’m telling you, at this time tomorrow I’ll be reloading this blog every minute just to distract myself from all the other crap that seems to get in the way of my life as a baseball fan.
I really dont know how I’ll survive the next 30 hours..I swear last night I had a dream about Nick Swisher’s hair cut – its that bad!
Joe, you can be sure it wasn’t someone’s “decision” not to make it retractable. It was a $ decision pure and simple. I believe it was a mostly publicly funded stadium which meant they took the cheapest way out. Think about it for a second, why in the world would they not want that option if $ weren’t an issue.
Old schoolers out there would say “but they played outdoors there before the Metreodome.” I say who cares, that is insanity and there will be plenty of snow dates to come, but whatever, it’s not our home stadium so f them.
I am sure Girardi and Cashmoney thought long and hard about who should catch AJ and since they came up with Molina you have to trust them. I didn’t like it but if he pitches good then obviously everyone will be ok with it. But I will guarantee that Molina will come up in a big spot..like he always does. I can picture it right now bases loaded no one out, Molina swings at the 1st pitch and the home to 1st double play. Everyone knows it is going to happen.
In addition, I want to assume the slam at LoHud wasn’t a big thing. Coming from someone who doesn’t read this actual paper, I had though the paper at first was claled LoHud something…
The fact their website is LoHud when their paper is The Journal News is a little odd. It would be like my local paper the Albany Times-Union having a website called CapRegion.com. However, timesunion.com works just well and makes sense.
Randy, excellent summary, thanks. We’re on the same page regarding this. It’s Girardi’s decision, whatever he decides is fine with me. I just find it interesting how this discussion has evolved from ‘Posada is awful behind the plate’, as it was for most of the season, to the current position by many that ‘let Molina catch AJ’.
I think some of you folks are being too sensitive to Pete’s comment in his new blog. The word dreaded means feared. Pete is a smart guy. And diplomatic about his words. He is a writer after all. If anything I would be more upset about his word choice if I was a Red Sox Fan.
“Randy, that would be better stated if you said I agreed that I never said it, rather than I “admitted”. Admitted sounds like I was making some kind of otherwise concession, which of course I was not.
Also, I guess I feel pretty perspicacious for having “started the whole thing” since it seems to have turned out to be an idea whose time had come!”
yes i admit “agree” is a better word than “admit” .
..but i’m not an attorney like you are so i’m just doing my best to keep up with you with my limited mental resources .
Main Entry: per·spi·ca·cious
Etymology: Latin perspicac-, perspicax, from perspicere
: of acute mental vision or discernment : keen
synonyms see shrewd
ahh, i see.
but the problem with you patting yourself on the back is that you agree posada is a better overall catcher than molina .
it is not a good situation that the back up catcher who can’t hit has to catch burnett because burnett has gotten used to him.
i have no idea what you’re thinking you have acute mental vision about .
having to start molina is a problem and not a good thing.
i guarantee the yankees won’t let it happen again next year.
I want Matsui and Jorgie in every game just like everybody else, trust me. That being said you can’t discount AJ’s comfort level, he is the key to the series and if he puts zero’s up for 7 innings who cares about Molina’s bat. Plus you have to give him the benefit of the doubt to at least be a professional hitter and not hit into a dp and move the runners over. He will most likely be only given 3 AB’s (any more that means AJ’s doing very well) and with Cervelli on the roster there is more flexibility for pinch hitting options should Jorgie be the DH and not Matsui.
Let’s give this 1 game before we kill them for making the decision. We all know pitching is what counts and AJ needs to be as comfortable as possible, it’s really as simple as that.
” I think the games A.J. pitched on the road against BAL and BOS (w/ Posada catching) have left a negative impression on people & have skewed the whole “catcher ERA” thing. In those 4 games, A.J. has an ERA of 13, 4HR/9, 6K/9, and 6BB/9. Outside of those games, Posada has caught Burnett 12 times–80 IP, 28ER, 3.15ERA, .56 HR/9, 3.8BB/9. ”
Can’t wait for tomorrow evening. And I am looking forward to watching the play-in and not really worrying too much who wins.
I read Pete’s “gate” post. Sigh. Well, I guess the Yankees are “dreaded” up there, aren’t they? But the I don’t think this blog was “oddly named,” unless one thinks that naming a blog after the paper that sponsors it rather than a cutsie nickname like “Pinstripe Postings” is less odd.
Pete’s moved on and his new audience consists Red Sox fans. The gig changes.