Schedule of events for ALDS Game 2
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 08, 2009 
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3:00 p.m. Gates Open to the Public
3:30 p.m.-4:40 p.m. Yankees Hit
4:40 p.m.-5:20 p.m. Twins Hit
5:53 p.m. Presentation of Colors: FDNY and NYPD Joint Color Guard
5:54 p.m. National Anthem: Marine Corps Forces Reserve Band
5:58 p.m. Ceremonial First Pitch: Reggie Jackson
6:02 p.m. Umpires and Managers to Home Plate
6:05 p.m. Yankees Take the Field
6:07 p.m. First Pitch
Joel Sherman reporting Gaudin over Joba in rd 2. Any validity to that?
Wow -
Reggie’s got quite the gig, doesn’t he?
Yeah,I don’t think Halliday is going to be really available in the off=season anyway.
I meant Holliday – Matt, not Haliday, Roy. Sorry. One of these days….
Sunday schedule should begin to round into shape tomorrow. Rockies win ensures 3 games on Sunday. If the Cards win, it’ll be 4. They may have to start at noon if they continue to insist that games are staggered by 3 hours. Probably a really early game in Boston, mid afternoon in St Lou, dinner time in Minnesota and late in Colo.
Mo= The Man With the Golden Arm
Melky and Swisher = Nepoleon dynomite
Edwar and Giambi = Nacho
Pedroia and Wakefield = Fantacy island
Reggie? It’s always Reggie, Reggie, Reggie
Uncle, we need a shared google doc.
I’ll compile and we can revisit again later.
Damon and Swisher as the cops in Superbad
Edwar as McLovin
Girardi= The Gambler
Pavano= The Hustler
Francisco Cervelli – “The Eyes Of Lara Mars”.
Berroa = Superbad
Any word on if Gaudin is the 4th starter for the rest of the playoffs?
I said early in the season that I thought the Yankees might do this, but it was before Hughes locked down the set-up role.
A 4th starter would pitch in 2 games in the playoffs, one in the ALCS and one in the World Series. That’s 12 innings. Joba can get that many innings in the bullpen and make it a 6 inning game. That’s a big advantage for the Yankees and allows Aceves to piggy back Gaudin’s starts in case he gets into trouble early.
I agree with this move. You can’t underestimate the importance of a bullpen in the playoffs.
The regular season is a completely different story when a starter is able to pitch 130 innings more than a reliever. Still think Joba and Hughes should get the chance to start next year.
Boston fans – “Village Of The Damned”.
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Francisco Cervelli – “The Eyes Of Lara Mars”.
Great
m
Jeter = The Hustler (works both ways)
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Boston fans – “Village Of The Damned”.
even better
Youk-Planet of the Apes
Melky and Cano = Wedding Crashers
Pavano=Matchstick Men
Alex Rodriguez and Brett Gardner = “Thunderbolt And Lightfoot”.
Maybe the Yankees will actually unfurl a real flag tomorrow
Coke = Blow
GB7 = Grand Torino
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Alex Rodriguez and Brett Gardner = “Thunderbolt And Lightfoot”.
on a roll.
Kim Jones = Play Misty For Me
Chuck Knoblauch = Child’s Play
Alex, Ransom, and Youkilis = The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly.
C.C.,Burnett and Posada = Ice Age “the squerrell played by our very own from the right field foul pole.
Hang em High = Tex
A fistful of Dollars = Alex
For a few Dollars More =?
High Plains Drifter = Hinski
Reggie Jackson = “Hotdog: The Movie”.
Uncle Ellsworth:
Coke should be “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”
…ok I must ask, what game are we playing?
Is this a decision Girardi would make without Pena’s concurrance, and if Pena is in synch with Girardi, are they seeing something in Jorge’s level of play that might be telling us something?”
backbench-
let me ask you this.
using your reasoning, don’t you think that the fact he’s catching sabathia, pettitte, and all the relievers tell you something ?
SChilling= a mighty wind
Melky Cabrera = “Underdog”, the movie”.
I have no idea why I did this…but I went to check in on the old Blogfather over at boston.com and Pete had a post up earlier about how he spoke with Sherman and confirmed that Joba would be staying in the pen if the Yankees move on to the ALCS.
I don’t know what I found more amusing…this comment by Pete,
“It’ll be interesting to see where this will leave Chamberlain come 2010. The pitcher Red Sox fans love to hate may be no better than a set-up man after all.”
Or that there were only 10 comments to the post and that his game post was up for some 40 min and there were 0 comments.
I don’t know if he realized what he had here and the rumors that The Boston Globe isn’t that financially sound.
I think the saying goes…one man’s loss is another man’s gain.
Congratulations Chad, I‘m glad to have you aboard.
randy
As you just pointed out, I think the blame is aimed in the wrong direction.
Ed – 2009 will be the year of the Yanks
October 8th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
…ok I must ask, what game are we playing?
Match a Player to a Move TITLE
Example: Bernie = the Quiet Man
Mo = Cool Hand Luke
CC Sabathia = “The Left Handed Gun”.
Schilling = The Blob
Ha ha Vader. This has been discussed. scroll up and maybe in the prior thread, too.
GB7,
Just read your post. Its time to start thinking like us civilians. SULTAN OF SWAT is the new sos.
The Twins story had me busting up. Lets just hope Anthony doesnt ask for that boston elf for christmas.
Andy Pettitte = Beverly Hillbillies (Jed Clampett), Nick Swisher (Jethro Bodine)
Uncle Ellsworth: thank
Albert Pujols = The Terminator
I do find it interesting how Peter is now suggesting Joba is no better than a set up man when he spent the year ridiculing anyone who suggested the bullpen suited him better.
S.o.S.
October 8th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
GB7,
Just read your post. Its time to start thinking like us civilians. SULTAN OF SWAT is the new sos.
The Twins story had me busting up. Lets just hope Anthony doesnt ask for that boston elf for christmas.
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I’d sell him to the gypsies, first.
How about that pitcher i believe with the Twins or Rays that had to sip his water bottle with some other interesting things everytime he took the field = Matchstick man
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Andy Pettitte = Beverly Hillbillies (Jed Clampett), Nick Swisher (Jethro Bodine)
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Jethro didn’t have that much energy.
Maybe Shelly.
Shelly = Goonies
Cano and Melky = Night at the roxberries
Youk and Veritek = Dumb and Dumber
MaineYankee
October 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Andy Pettitte = Beverly Hillbillies (Jed Clampett), Nick Swisher (Jethro Bodine)
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Jethro didn’t have that much energy.
Maybe Shelly.
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Not sure that Shelley is smart enough to be a brain surgeon.
Pettitte = A Bronx Tale
The 1998 season for Yankee fans = “Fantastic Voyage”.
First Half of 2009 Red Sox Season = Attack of the Clones
Second Half of 2009 Yankees Season = The Empire Strikes Back
Jeter in 2009 = The Return of the Jedi
Chad’s Arrival = A New Hope
Papelbon = The Phantom Menace
What Mariano Is Going To Do To The Sox If & When We See Them In The ALCS = Revenge Of The Sith
are tv shows allowed? if so then Brett Gardner is the Flash. too easy. lol
David Ortiz = Shreck
Doreen…I guess I was a little late to the conversation.
Anyway, I guess all I am saying is that it is hard to recreate something, as well as that most of the time, the second time around is never as good as the original.
S.o.S…he played for the A’s, but I don’t remember his name, only that Kay was fascinated with him and the water bottle.
I thought Hinske was The Mall Cop.
Bronx Jeers,
That was awesome. The only thing that would have been cooler is if Vader came up with it.
Jorge Posada = Robocop.
Josh is too good at his job.
I really hope no one gets “Guess the Line Up” wrong tomorrow
Uncle E-
This is a great game. Sorry I was late to the party. Stupid errands
Ken Davidoff is such a clown. First he picks the Twins in 4, lol – ok, no biggie. Then, he points out in his blog how great Orlando Cabrera looked in striking out last night…..
Erica i just joined in. feel free to join in,
Thanks Vader,
I just looked them up and i think it was Brett Anderson that would be Matchstick Man.
Erica – always OPPC
October 8th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Uncle E-
This is a great game. Sorry I was late to the party. Stupid errands
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I knew you would have some to add.
Julio Lugo = Purple Rain
Just listening to MLB XM and realized what a wonderful side benefit to a possible LAD/NYY WS would be having Vince Sculley do the radio play-by-play for a Yankee game.
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
The 1998 season for Yankee fans = “Fantastic Voyage”.
2009 season + Paths to Glory and Glory
Peter Gammons = “Old Yeller”.
Tex = Giant
AJ Rebel without a Cause
Just listening to MLB XM and realized what a wonderful side benefit to a possible LAD/NYY WS would be having Vince Sculley do the radio play-by-play for a Yankee game.
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Did you know that the Yankees almost had contracted Vin Scully to do the play by play like 20 years ago?
David Wells = Bad Santa
Enjoy the rest of your night people.
Alex Rodriguez = “Apollo 13″ (moonshots).
Johnny Damon= Happy Gilmore
Derek Jeter= Ghostbusters
Mets = The Lost Brigade
“Did you know that the Yankees almost had contracted Vin Scully to do the play by play like 20 years ago?”
And we have, “Thhhhhhuuuuuh Yankeeeees Win.”
Thank you, JF, for reminding me.
would Aj be the slimer? lol
Joe Girardi = “The DI”.
Torre = The Big Sleep (for haters)
Torre = The Godfather (for likers)
Miguel Cabrera = The Jerk
Very Bad Things = ?
Damon and Swisher = Dumb and Dumber
Mickey Mantle = “The Oklahoma Kid”. (Cagney and Bogart).
Check out what Fattie the Turncoat wrote today:
http://www.boston.com/sports/b....._leav.html
God this guy was trash when he was here, and now he’s part of the Boston trash. Hope he enjoys continuing to sit on the bench during the NY/Boston media ball game.
The Yankees = Wall Street
The Yankees = Wall Street
Bob and Carol, Ted and Alice = Swisher and Gaudin – you know there’s some funny buisiness goin on.
Bruney = Risky Buisiness
Jorge Posada and AJ Burnett = Dazed and Confused
Former Yankee infielder for 1967 John Kennedy = “Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ya”. or, “PT 109″.
Gaudin = The French Connection
Oh…I just wanted to get this off my chest, I can not stand seeing Donnie in Dodger Blue, it makes me very upset and I don’t know why.
Sheffield or Milton Bradley=Diary of an Angry Black Man
Gardner = Pigpen of Peanuts
Joe Morgan = Clueless
Johnny Damon = “Johnny Dangerously”.
I’m trying to get on Erica’s good side.
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Mickey Mantle = “The Oklahoma Kid”. (Cagney and Bogart).
The Cincinatti Kid = O’Neill
The Warriors = O’Neill
Anger Management = O’Neill
Drum roll please….
CC=Top Gun
Jeter and Arod = Wedding Crashers
Angel Berroa= The Old Man and the Sea
Brett Gardner = Go
Mark Melancon = Something Wild
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Johnny Damon = “Johnny Dangerously”.
I’m trying to get on Erica’s good side.
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LOL. Thanks GB7, but you’ve already been there!
A-Rod= Kiss Me Kate
Joe DiMaggio = “The Sicilian”, or, “Shoes Of The Fisherman”.
I agree with the decision to start Gaudin in a potential game 4. He deserves a postseason spot with his performance in September, and because of the playoff format with all the off days, we have no use for him as a second long reliever in the bullpen.
If you can get 4 good innings out of Gaudin, all you need is Aceves for the 5th, maybe 6th inning, and then you’re into Robertson/Joba/Hughes territory.
Angel Berroa = The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Derek Jeter = All the Right Moves
Kyle Farnsworth = A Bridge Too Far
Erica – always OPPC
October 8th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
A-Rod= Kiss Me Kate
As Good as
Mo = Cool Hand Luke
The Ghost
October 8th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Derek Jeter = All the Right Moves
nice
Jorge Posada is Raging Bully
Erica – always OPPC
October 8th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Johnny Damon = “Johnny Dangerously”.
I’m trying to get on Erica’s good side.
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LOL. Thanks GB7, but you’ve already been there!
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Yeah, but, I’m trying to stay there.
George Steinbrenner = Patton
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
October 8th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Kyle Farnsworth = A Bridge Too Far
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Just not far enough away.
Jason Giambi = Boggie Nights
Vader
October 8th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
George Steinbrenner = Patton
Good
I just thought of a Good “bad” one for George but I’ll let it pass
Ron Guidry = “Gator” (Burt Reynolds).
Yankee fans = Life is Beautiful
Gardner=Speed
2009 Yanks = Die Hard
Phil Hughes and Marinao Rivera in the 8th and 9th innings = “The Assassins”.
Kevin Millar = Urban Cowboy
Phil Hughes: The Miracle Worker…for what he did to the pen
Randy Johnson = “Frankenstein”
AJ Burnett = American Pie
Bill Buckner = Das Boot
Swisher: Naked Gun
Randy Johnson = The Fly
Don’t know if this has been used yet, but..
Yankees Bullpen: As Good As It Gets
Mariano, Hughes, and Joba shut it down from the 7th inning on and you’ve still got Robertson and Aceves if a starter gets knocked out early. Coke and Marte can come in to get a lefty out.
This is a really deep bullpen and with all the off days in the playoffs, I bet Girardi has a really quick hook if a starter stumbles early in the game.
Don Mattingly and Mel Stottlemyre = “Good Fellas”.
Ramiro Pena = Cat People
Barry Bonds = Medicine Man
CC = The battle of the Buldge (not funny)
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
October 8th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Bill Buckner = Das Boot
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LMAO. That’s just wrong.
American Pie and Das Boot are good ones.
But Naked Gun should be Johnny Damon. Well for the naked pullups, not the gun.
Cano and Melky= Butch Cassidey and the Sundance Kid
The Young Lions = Bullpen boys
Swish is the Naked Gun because of his penchant for giving topless interviews……I don’t get 99% of the references, lol……
I’m trying to find a good one for AJ, but I’m coming a cropper.
Alfredo Aceves = “The Mexican” (for delivering a much needed gun).
Mark Teixeira = Officer and a Gentlmen
Kim Jones: Smurfette
Congrats, guys – you are both on a roll and coming up with some inspired pairings. I’m not good at coming up with that kind of stuff, but I’m enjoying them nonetheless!
AJ Burnett and Nick Swisher = “Wild Hogs”.
Benrnie= No country for old men
GB…wrong is
Jorge = Dumbo
the AJ/Jorge/Molina situation: Star Wars
Hank Steinbrenner = “The Mouse That Roared”.
George: Jaws…….I always thought of him as a great white shark…..
Eric Hinske = Paul Blart Mall Cop
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Alfredo Aceves = “The Mexican” (for delivering a much needed gun).
good one.
Joba = The Man Who would Be King?
1996-2000 Yankees= Lord of the Rings
The Ghost
October 8th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Eric Hinske = Paul Blart Mall Cop
Nice
Swisher = Physcho
the AJ/Jorge/Molina situation: There Will Be Blood
Psycho+
Rest of the League = Rear Window
Betsy
October 8th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
George: Jaws…….I always thought of him as a great white shark…..
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I always saw him as “Flipper”. You were scared to death when that dorsal fin broke water, but, when you made friends with him, he was harmless.
Nick Markakis = What a Girl Wants
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy
Nice article about Phil – I love this quote:
I just kind of dealt with it,” Hughes said. “It wasn’t like I was going from pitching to hitting. I still had to make pitches, and that’s the way I viewed it — to throw strikes and be aggressive. It’s worked out to this point.”
Don Mattingly = “The Mechanic”.
LOL GB – the reason I thought of him as a shark was because he had that silver/gray hair thing going on, but I like Flipper.
Nick Markakis, Milt Pappas, Gus Triondos = “The Guns Of Naverone”.
“Nick Markakis = What a Girl Wants”
Don’t even get me started!
Gb, in the last post when you talked about SOS only meant one thing, that wouldn’t be in reference to a meal? Haha. Sh** on a shingle maybe?
Tex = Everybody’s All-American
Mariano Rivera = Unbreakable
One of M Night’s few good movies.
Alex Rodriguez “Dudley Do Right”
Kate Hudson = “Nell Fenwick”
Pete Abe = “Snidley Whiplash”
Selena Roberts = Horse (or at least part of the horse)
John Sterling = Kermit the Frog
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.1509725
Ugh…….
Those are not movies
Jetes = Captain Courageous
Mariano = The Closer
g
October 8th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Gb, in the last post when you talked about SOS only meant one thing, that wouldn’t be in reference to a meal? Haha. Sh** on a shingle maybe?
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That would be correct. Keep in mind, though…I was only ragging SoS about it. He’s a good guy and good poster.
The weather forecast looks dicey for Game 2. I’m surprised no one has mentioned this.
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
October 8th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Those are not movies
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Dudley Do Right is a movie, though (Brenden Frazier). I was just filling in the cast.
1998 Yankees = “A League of Their Own”
Chris Chambliss = “10″
Melky/Gardner = “Platoon”
Uncle Ellsworth = “The Enforcer”.
Haha no I understand gb, it was just a funny post. You don’t really need any memories of SOS, my dad used to talk about it from the Army back in the 60′s. Always laugh.
D – the weather does indeed look dicey, but looking at the model runs it looks like the brunt of the worst weather will be upstate. But it’s a close call.
GreenBeret7
October 8th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Uncle Ellsworth = “The Enforcer”.
ha
Betsy
October 8th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
http://www.newsday.com/sports/…..-1.1509725
Ugh…….
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They’ll get in Game @2 and Pettitte will polish it off on Sunday in Minnesota.
Rain has been chasing the Yankees all season, why not during the playoffs?
If there’s a need for a fourth, I’m betting Joe goes with Joba. Joe’s logic will be that Joba’s been a starter all year, and he’s going to stick with him. And Joba does have the potential to be very good. Those three starts after the All Star Game weren’t fantasies, and he did get it together in his next to last start. But you better believe Joe will have an ultra-short leash, and Gaudin, Ace, Robertson, etc. will be ready at the drop of a fly ball.
How come the Dodgers are not babying their young pitchers?
Gaudin will takeover for Marte in the ALCS, Joba stays.
Derek Jeter, Phil Hughes, Mariano Rivera, Jesus Montero, Austin Jackson and Manny Baneulos = “The Untouchables”.
I just now got home after being in the NYC for last night’s game. I sat in the Bleachers for the first time in the new Yankee Stadium and loved it. The Bleacher seats are a lot better than the Section 431B seats I was given in my relocation plan. You really feel like your in the game sitting out there, unlike the wings of the Grandstands.
Scrolling through and I was surprised to hear our former blog host talking about Joba as possibly no better than a set up man. Pete basically made a fool of anyone who disagreed with him about Joba being a starter. I guess it didnt take Pete long to forget his own words,nevermind take a cheap shot, and I’m very disappointed about that.
I see SJ44 commented on Pete’s blog and called Pete a phony for his Joba comments. Has there been any SJ sightings here?
In any case, it’s good to be home and I’m thrilled with the Yanks body language on the field last night. This team aint tight, and that’s baaaaad news for our opponents.
AJ / Molina / Posada = Fight Club
“Scrolling through and I was surprised to hear our former blog host talking about Joba as possibly no better than a set up man. Pete basically made a fool of anyone who disagreed with him about Joba being a starter. I guess it didnt take Pete long to forget his own words,nevermind take a cheap shot, and I’m very disappointed about that.”
His argument was always that having Joba pitch 200 innings is a season is more valuable than having him pitch 60-80 innings. In the playoffs a 4th starter only gets 2 starts and 12 innings. He can get around that out of the bullpen.
Rain postponement on Friday.
Day game on Saturaday. Just like game 2 vs. Tigers in 2006.
Twins will win.
Miguel Cabrera = Scarface
the fact that pete abe doesn’t live here anymore is a good thing, and with time, we shall all see it.
So, the best laid plans of mice and men….I’m not necessarily worried about the rain allowing the Twins to rest up. It does hurt the Yankees use of the pen……..I hate weather, lol
Game 2 vs Tigers in 2006 was a monsoon washout. I don’t think there will be that much rain tomorrow.
Swisher and Burnett = The Blues Brothers
Echo . Romeo .
You said the same thing last time. You said that the Wed. game would be rained out and the Tigers / Twins would win. You’re an idiot and a troll.
A.J. Burnett= American Pie
there’s a 30% chance of rain at 6pm tommorow, lets not go crazy folks geez
Pete Abe, Jon Heyman, Joel Sherman, Peter Gammons, Mike Lupica and the rest of the ESPN mob = “The Windtalkers”.
no 27
Here’s the chaep shot Pete took. I always gave Pete credit for not fanning the hate flames. Now his living in the Land of Hate,aka Red Sox Nation, his colors have apparently changed.
“The pitcher Red Sox fans love to hate may be no better than a set-up man after all. “
A starter who can go 200 innings and pitch successfully is obviously more valuable than a reliever. I dont see where he is going against that.
The Yankees obviously still see Joba as a starter, or they wouldnt have gone through the measure they did to keep him in the starting role by limiting his innings. I do think there comes a point though when you have to evaluate the actual talent that he might have as a starter (which I assume that is what Pete meant by his comment).
Though I will say, the beginning of 2010 is still too early I think to make that determination. If you wanted him to be a starter, you have to give him more of a chance to prove it. One season is too small of a sample size to make any assumptions about his overall talent as a starter.
Hey all! Today I am batting 333, hopefully it will be 667 soon if this score holds up, and I am hoping to be batting 1000 by the end of the night.
GO ANGELS!!!
I know one thing, with Robertson, Joba, Hughes and Mo you’d have a hard time finding a better bullpen anywhere in the major leagues.
I don’t like the negative tone of Pete’s recent article over at the Red Sox blog.. how did he completely switch sides just with the flip of a switch?
David Ortiz – “Fatso”
No Comment, Pete was always really good at playing to his audience.
“I don’t like the negative tone of Pete’s recent article over at the Red Sox blog.. how did he completely switch sides just with the flip of a switch?”
You really have to ask that?
well pete’s not the man i thought he was.. maybe i thought he cared more about the yankees after getting to know them and all… i mean why couldn’t he start a post about joba being a good guy considering he got to know him real well.
Christina,
I agree with you. The Yankees still see Joba as a starter. I very much take offense to Pete’s cheap shot though.
Joba made one very interesting comment last night. He basically said it’s easier to pitch out of the bullpen because you dont have to worry about the hitter seeing your best stuff the first time around the order. You dont have to think about setting him up later in the game. You just go right at the batter.
I agree with the Yanks philosphy, but Joba is obviously very comfortable coming out of the pen. They may be trying to put a square peg into a round hole. Time will tell.
mama mia…
“I don’t like the negative tone of Pete’s recent article over at the Red Sox blog.. how did he completely switch sides just with the flip of a switch?”
I think that you guys are forgetting how Pete operates. He would often post inflammatory stuff on this blog just to generate hits. He’s probably doing the same thing over there. Considering how few posts they have, I’m not surprised.
Ignore him. He had his time here. Now he’s gone. Good riddance.
Laura – big time YEP!
Why is Pete writing articles about the Yankees ? Shouldn’t he be talking about the Sox vs. Angels series ?
Holy crap. Is LaRussa totally stupid?
Boylan posed the question:
AJ on short rest, Joba, or Gaudin for a potential game 5 if the weather delays game 2?
First Choice: Win in 3
Second: Win in 4
Third: AJ
Fourth: Joba & Co.
Fifth: Gaudin
St. Louis falling apart. Why the heck is Wainright still in the 8th? He’s not a set-up guy anymore.
If Wainwright doesn’t get out of this LaRussa is going to have some really tough questions to answer. This is painful to watch.
I always figured that P. Abe would flip like a mob rat. His Patriot rants were an easy giveaway but he’s at the bottom of the totem pole up there.
And that, my friends, is a classic illustration of the difference between a great manager and a total idiot: successful execution.
PHEW!
trisha-
if rooting against torre makes you feel better than a zero, your choice.
knock yourself out.
randy, I on the other hand couldn’t care less who you root for and why. But that’s the way I roll.
K, you guys were talking up Pete so I went to check it out. Look what I ran into:
“Pedey quit,” Francona said of Dustin Pedroia, “because he stinks.”
By the way, I had this post waiting for you but I don’t know now, based on that post, whether you will agree with the entirety of it…
Randy, I decided that our series is the Carl Pavano karma series, the Dodger series is the Manny Ramirez karma series, and the Sux series is the David Ortiz Karma series. What do you think?
Its been reported that Gaudin will start over Joba in the ALCS, HOWEVER Joba has proven over the past 2 years that he rises to the occassion vs the Red Sox and has the ability to shut them down. If the Yankees face the Red Sox, I think i’d feel more comfortable with Joba starting over Gaudin. THOUGHTS?
GreenBeret7 October 8th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Pete Abe, Jon Heyman, Joel Sherman, Peter Gammons, Mike Lupica and the rest of the ESPN mob = “The Windtalkers”.
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trisha-
yeah torre’s a real enemy to yankee fans.
sic him trisha
Neil…when times get tuff the guy on the bottom is the first to be shown the door.
Also, sometimes the grass isn’t greener on the other side or that you never knew what you had until it is gone.
I braved Extra Bases blog. Because ultimately, I’d rather see things for myself.
Yes, there was a piece about Joba – but it really did have to do with the fact that if the Red Sox and Yankees advance, the Red Sox may not be facing Joba as a starter. (I still stand by my feelings about his last sentence there.) And I might add, it’s true to form – that subject got lots of hits, even if a lot of them were from Yankees fans.
But that wasn’t Pete’s only post. And the rest of the them were not “anti-Yankee” centric, but the slice of life that we had gotten used to. What’s odd is scrolling through the other entries to get to Pete’s.
So fair is fair.
And I did find out something I didn’t know. Chad Gaudin’s small sample size versus the Red Sox is pretty good.
And Randy, if hating on Brian Cashman gets you through the night, go for it. I, on the other hand, think the guy is fantastic.
See? It doesn’t diminish me a bit that you dislike someone
for whom I have high regard. You have to be able to allow people their own thoughts, even when they don’t comport with your own!
trisha-
i think you should watch out for the karma of the bash posada series.
pete abe is being paid to write for and about the red sox…. nobody in boston wants to read a pro yankees blog. who cares about him you people are acting weird and obsessive. its a business. he was being paid to be a yankees beat writer. he was offered more money now he is a red sox beat writer. you are still getting all the yankees news the new guys are doing a great job. i like reading without all the a-rod cheap shots and snarky comments. i bet he won’t be referring to pedroia as “keebler” for the boston globe.
Drive 4-5 October 8th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Christina,
I agree with you. The Yankees still see Joba as a starter. I very much take offense to Pete’s cheap shot though.
Joba made one very interesting comment last night. He basically said it’s easier to pitch out of the bullpen because you dont have to worry about the hitter seeing your best stuff the first time around the order. You dont have to think about setting him up later in the game. You just go right at the batter.
I agree with the Yanks philosphy, but Joba is obviously very comfortable coming out of the pen. They may be trying to put a square peg into a round hole. Time will tell.
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I am not sure what Pete is making by that comment, but I am going to hold off on bashing him based on one sentence that everyone seems to be dissecting.
Based on how he has pitched this year, we could all make the case that he MAY in fact be better off as a reliever. I dont see him saying much about when you make that determination, but all he actually stated was that the Yankees have something to think about for 2010. If you dont think Girardi and the staff is going to at least THINK about it, you are wrong.
I also think the performance he plays out of the bullpen during the playoffs might also play a part in their thinking for next year also. What if he is dominating and shows strength again in this role? What if Mariano gets hurt? What if he stinks next year and can’t go deep? There are a lot of questions, but none of these really pertain to anything in 2009.
Randy, I don’t owe you any explanations. My feelings for Torre are my business. Stop believing your own press okay?
Don’t cause a problem where there is none.
“The pitcher Red Sox fans love to hate may be no better than a set-up man after all. “
ehhh… I don’t think that’s really a cheap shot. The Yankees announced they are planning on using him in the bullpen for the rest of the playoffs.
I bet if you asked Pete on his new blog if he thinks Joba should still be given every chance to succeed as a starter, his answer would be yes.
Next year will tell a lot about what Joba’s role will be in the future. He shouldn’t have an innings limit and if he can consistently go 6 innings and keep the Yankees in the game, it will be a good year, and something he can build on going forward. He doesn’t need to pitch like a frontline starter next year to prove that he belongs in the rotation and still has the potential to be a frontline starter eventually.
I don’t know what went on in the Dodger game, but what exactly is wrong with rooting against Torre? If the Dodgers win, so be it – I’m more concerned with my team. That said, I sure as heck am not rooting for them and yes, I would prefer that they lose.
“i think you should watch out for the karma of the bash posada series.”
Randy, give it up man. You lost that one, Girardi made the decision, Yankee broadcasters agree with it. Be gracious. Nobody is bashing Posada. Wow, you are really an enigma. It appears when things don’t go your way you are totally out of sorts and out to kill.
I am happy Molina is catching AJ. Last I looked it was my right. Did someone kick your dog or something? Why are you coming after me?
Drive 4-5 and Christina – I think you guys have nailed it. A quality starter is better than an arm in the pen (unless that arm is Mariano’s). That’s why top of the hill starters get paid zillions more than set-up or closers. Think Santana, AJ, CC, Beckett, etc., and then look at the dollars commanded by the last offseason’s hot shot relievers – even K-Rod, the best of that bunch, only got about half of what AJ did.
I think the Yanks are right – give Joba every chance to do it, and when he unequivocally shows he can’t, that’s when you put him in the pen for keeps. And don’t forget, Joba has to hold up his end of it, also – come to camp in shape, and learn how to pitch to major league hitters, instead of just throwing.
I don’t think that’s the real SJ44. He wouldn’t go on a blog and call out somebody for what they said.
Wait…
Just kidding, SJ. (but I still think that calling out Pete at his new gig is not something he would do)
“Based on how he has pitched this year, we could all make the case that he MAY in fact be better off as a reliever. I dont see him saying much about when you make that determination, but all he actually stated was that the Yankees have something to think about for 2010. If you dont think Girardi and the staff is going to at least THINK about it, you are wrong.”
So all this nonsense about limiting Joba’s innings to 160 this year was…so he would be able to throw 80 innings next year?
He’s going to be a starter in 2010 and he’s going to throw another 200 innings. They’re going to give him every opportunity to succeed as a starter.
“I don’t know what went on in the Dodger game, but what exactly is wrong with rooting against Torre? If the Dodgers win, so be it – I’m more concerned with my team. That said, I sure as heck am not rooting for them and yes, I would prefer that they lose.”
God love you Betsy, thank you! It seems that if I am not on the same page with Randy about his choices, it is time to crucify me!
trisha-
the difference between me and you is i make no bones that i don’t like cashman.
you on the other hand have this dislike of posada that you attempt to hide because you”re smart enough to know that it makes you look like a traitor to the yankee cause.
i think most people on this blog know that you root against posada.
Jason, Drive, and anyone else who made predictions for the chart. I am going to give you the link for it and ask that you check to make sure I got your numbers right. Then you might want to save it in your favorites so you can check my math throughout the postseason!
http://members.cox.net/lsdorgan/POSTSEASON2.pdf
Trish, I mean – I’m not even paying much attention to that series. I’m not going out of my way to root against the Dodgers, but I would prefer that they not win. If Torre wasn’t managing, I’d still feel the same way. That said, why should I as a Yankee fan have to root for Joe when I still have bitter feelings about him? I have no problem with those who root for him, but those folks should respect our opinions as well. It doesn’t make one a bad Yankee fan because we may not feel the way we used to about Joe.
I think Joba can be a starter and a good one if he can get his head on straight, as well as not have to worry about innings limits and such, but…he sure does know how to do the bullpen thing and as we all know having a shut down closer is a big psychological advantage for a team.
“I think the Yanks are right – give Joba every chance to do it, and when he unequivocally shows he can’t, that’s when you put him in the pen for keeps. And don’t forget, Joba has to hold up his end of it, also – come to camp in shape, and learn how to pitch to major league hitters, instead of just throwing.”
Exactly, Joe.
As for Jason, you have to see how he does. If the situation arises where Mariano is hurt and Joba is struggling, then you may have to go towards that decision in putting him back in the pen. In this instance hes had 2009 and some of 2010 to show if he can start. And the Yankees tend to live for today, so if they get in that jam (and there are no other possible options) they may have to go that route.
“you on the other hand have this dislike of posada that you attempt to hide because you”re smart enough to know that it makes you look like a traitor to the yankee cause.
i think most people on this blog know that you root against posada.”
Wrong again. I don’t have a dislike of Posada, though I would think it would be my right if I did. I don’t worship at his throne the way you do, but that is my right also. I don’t think he is quite the catcher that you do, but that is my right once again.
You jig your way, I’ll jig mine.
What I DO have a dislike of, though, is being constantly harrangued by you when I voice something that differs from your thinking. Enough.
Where did they send Ramiro Pena again?
I remember hearing something about them keeping him sharp?
Tampa
Mannywood vs. Franklin. This should be fun.
“Randy, give it up man. You lost that one, Girardi made the decision, Yankee broadcasters agree with it. Be gracious. Nobody is bashing Posada. Wow, you are really an enigma. It appears when things don’t go your way you are totally out of sorts and out to kill.”
Was the argument about what Girardi would do, or what gives the Yankees the best chance to win? And, don’t tell me they are the same thing because managers make mistakes all the time. If he’s wrong about this decision, it’s going to be a lot harder to fix than if he went with Posada in Burnett’s first start.
The BEST solution would have been to force them to work out their problems DURING the season.
Christina, if the Yankees do that, then I would have to seriously wonder about their ability to develop pitchers. As it is, they don’t have a good track record. Rushing Phil in 2007 was incredibly stupid…….it still bugs me.
“That said, why should I as a Yankee fan have to root for Joe when I still have bitter feelings about him? I have no problem with those who root for him, but those folks should respect our opinions as well. It doesn’t make one a bad Yankee fan because we may not feel the way we used to about Joe.”
YES! That is it exactly. I don’t care if someone thinks Torre should be cannonized. It’s their right! But for God sake, please let those of us who don’t agree, breathe.
holliday may have blown the game
“The BEST solution would have been to force them to work out their problems DURING the season.”
I agree 27, and I have repeatedly agreed. But what’s done is done.
Ryan Franklin reminds me of Brian Fuentes. Their stuff is so average.
I feel kind of sorry for Posada, some people are really tough on the guy. Wheres the respect?
the next time one of you wants to complain about a Yankees outfielder making a bad play, go look at the clip of Holliday misplaying that one at absolutely the worst possible time. Stuff happens in baseball, there is no accounting for when.
I think Pena is in Tampa along with Bruney.
Tricia, Will you still the same about Joe Torre when his # 2 is retired and his Hall Of Fame Bust has him sporting a Yankee Cap ???
And Randy, you apparently missed this post of mine this afternoon:
trisha – OPPC lifetime member who trusts Joe Girardi
October 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
“I love how Posada has one bad night and now he should batting 8th. Love it.”
I will say that no despite what happened with Posada last night, only two runs were scored, so that is a credit to the work he did behind the dish. Granted if the score was 1-0 Twins it might have been more dicey. I think that posters who brought up Posada’s gaffes probably did so because they got sick of hearing about the screaming need for Posada in the lineup and how Girardi picking the AJ-Molina tandem was the biggest travesty since 2004*.
Anyway, credit to Posada. His bat is always dangerous and he was part of holding the Twins to two runs.
I still like AJ and Molina together and am thrilled they will be teamed up. But it doesn’t mean that I don’t recognize that Posada is solid.
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I am neither a liar nor a coward nor a hypocrite. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. I am not afraid to voice my opinions and you typically don’t have to read between any lines with me.
MG, what happened?
Betsy October 8th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Christina, if the Yankees do that, then I would have to seriously wonder about their ability to develop pitchers. As it is, they don’t have a good track record. Rushing Phil in 2007 was incredibly stupid…….it still bugs me.
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I agree. Look at Ian Kennedy also.
thats why I dont want the yankees to sign holliday.. defense matters to you know.
trisha,
i find the posada bashers which you have been the leader of all summer to be totally moronic.
no where in girardi’s or burnett’s audio is any of the bashing of posada that you engage in.
i don’t believe a word you say about being ok with posada. i think you feel the same thing about him you do about torre.
you don’t like either one of them.
just like i don’t like cashman.
like i said i’m just more honest about it.
Pat M, by then maybe my bitterness toward him will have abated. No way to know until the time comes.
Betsy, Holliday misplayed a line drive that would have ended the game-it bounced off him and put the tying run on 2nd.
That’s the FIRST error he’s made all year, I guess No Comment missed that part…
ewwwww. Franklin’s beard is disgusting…..
randy, well I guess I don’t much care what you think. Since I know the truth it is all that counts to me.
“I agree 27, and I have repeatedly agreed. But what’s done is done.”
So if Girardi already mishandled this situation once, what makes you think he’s definitely handling it the right way now?
What a game!
Ryan Franklin sucks !
and now it’s a tie game, Joe Torre put the Sicilian voodoo curse on Holliday, it works every time
Wes October 8th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Where did they send Ramiro Pena again?
I remember hearing something about them keeping him sharp?
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They are playing in an instructional league down in Tampa to stay sharp.
MG, thanks. Wow – so if the Cards lose, I wonder how forgiving Cards fans will be of Holliday. All we ever hear is about how easy St. Louis fans are on players…..
and that Yadier Molina can’t catch pitches down, maybe he’s related to Posada and not Jose…
What’s up with these cross ups?
I really do not like the Dodgers, Torre or no…….my word, I didn’t see the play, but I feel badly for Holliday. That’s embarrassing. That said, he didn’t lose the game (or even make it a tie game). Franklin has to do a better job…….
oh my god yadier molina just got crossed up and let the runner go to third.
bench him.
no. 27 – I believe he is. It is pretty ridiculous to say because someone mishandled one thing everything he does is suspect.
And let me say this. You have no idea what Girardi might have done to try to ease the situation.
I guess it comes down to this. I could have lived with Girardi doing it either way because I have trusted Girardi all season. You guys just can’t get past that he didn’t do it your way.
LAD is winning either though that piece of crap Manny Ramirez is doing Jack Squat.
Once again folks…Yankees Dodgers 2009 World Series
MG, thought you said you were never critical of a Yankee player? What was with that sarcastic comment? You are just like the rest who can’t get over that Girardi didn’t go with Posada. You are a bunch of bitter people as far as I can see.
Randy, you are the one who seems to be the fraud here because you told everyone you were fine with what Girardi did and you can’t stop talking about how “unfair” it is. I think you are projecting your feelings and attitude on to me.
that Joe Torre really can’t manage, can he…
All a manager can do is put his team in a position to win games. Just because the Yankees got bounced out of the playoffs the last 3 years Torre managed them doesn’t make him a bad manager in spite of what many of you think.
I grew up hating the Dodgers so don’t think I’m rooting for them but respect Joe Torre, a class act who was treated really poorly by the Yankees going out the door. I’m not going to debate this but it’s interesting to see how Tony Larussa, the god of overmanaging, just got beat by ‘Clueless’ Joe tonight when neither really had much to do with the result.
“LAD is winning either though that piece of crap Manny Ramirez is doing Jack Squat”
UGH. Hey I’m not crazy about the Cards either but I’d rather see them win. I only hope that whatever team wins the other series can smash the Dodgers.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member who trusts Joe Girardi
October 8th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
MG, thought you said you were never critical of a Yankee player? What was with that sarcastic comment? You are just like the rest who can’t get over that Girardi didn’t go with Posada. You are a bunch of bitter people as far as I can see.
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you missed my point, it was about all the criticism of on this blog of virtually every mistake by any player but in particular Posada and Cano-even great defensive players like Yadier Molina make errors and poor plays and there is no way to predict when it will happen. But thanks for calling me bitter, I really appreciate it.
“Randy, you are the one who seems to be the fraud here because you told everyone you were fine with what Girardi did and you can’t stop talking about how “unfair” it is.”
trisha-
i said i was fine with girardi making a gut level decision game by game.
if giradi bashed posada the way you have posada all summer i’d be totally against him too.
did you listen to the audios of gurardi and burnett. they said all the right things and i believe them.
you’ve started to say the right things, but i don’t believe you. i think the same kind of hostility you have towards torre you have towards posada and you can’t wait until he’s gone from the team.
people can take your side . it’s a free blog. everyone gets to put their two cents in.
i just think it’s time to stand up for posada who’s helped the yankees to four rings.
MG, I meant this post:
“and that Yadier Molina can’t catch pitches down, maybe he’s related to Posada and not Jose…”
By the way, I absolutely love Cano.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member who trusts Joe Girardi
October 8th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
MG, I meant this post:
“and that Yadier Molina can’t catch pitches down, maybe he’s related to Posada and not Jose…”
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I know, that’s exactly the post making fun of all the criticism of Posada as a receiver. Yadier, by all accounts, is a great catcher yet did exactly the same thing.
If you can show me a post I’ve made today criticizing (or even discussing) Molina catching AJ you can say whatever you want about me but all I’ve said is that I’m rooting for the Yankees as a team, period. Whoever is on the field are the ones I am rooting for, I doubt that many of the posters on this blog could say the same thing.
Randy, again you are free to feel what you think. But I am certainly not afraid of you, so there is no need for me to say other than what I think.
By the way, I danced in the street when Posada got his contract.
If I don’t think he is the moon and the sky as a catcher anymore, it doesn’t mean I want him gone. I got what I wanted – Molina catching AJ. Because to me that means the Yankees win more games. My opinion.
By the way, I was totally critical of Jeter hitting into DPs last season. I guess that means I wanted him gone too.
i just think it’s time to stand up for posada who’s helped the yankees to four rings.
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I couldn’t agree more, you don’t have to like the guy or his paly, but at least show some respect for a leader thats been in pinstripes for a long time
play*
“If you can show me a post I’ve made today criticizing (or even discussing) Molina catching AJ you can say whatever you want about me but all I’ve said is that I’m rooting for the Yankees as a team, period. Whoever is on the field are the ones I am rooting for, I doubt that many of the posters on this blog could say the same thing.”
MG, any poster on this forum with a stick of honesty would tell you that all I ever do is root for the team on the field. Because a few posters got their feelings hurt because I had the nerve to prefer Molina over Posada in terms of catching AJ, it certainly doesn’t mean that I don’t root for Posada.
Anyway, on to bigger and better. GO ANGELS!!!
trisha, no offense, but you have beat this Posada/Molina thing into the ground for the entire season. And you were the one who just said I was bitter and now you’re explaining that you root for the team as a whole. I have no interest in continuing an infinite discusssion about the relative merits of Jorge and Jose, Girardi is the manager and made his choice. It shouldn’t matter anyway, the Yankees will beat the Twins in this series as long as AJ doesn’t get blasted tomorrow and the Twins somehow win both games in the Big Baggie.
I wasn’t criticizing you since you don’t jump on players for every mistake, real or imagined, during a game. You are consistent in your opinions as am I so we have no issue between us, OK?
“f I don’t think he is the moon and the sky as a catcher anymore, it doesn’t mean I want him gone. I got what I wanted – Molina catching AJ. Because to me that means the Yankees win more games. My opinion.”
trisha-
this is where your reasoning gets foggy.
if girardi didn’t think posada wasn’t the moon and the sky anymore as a catcher he wouldn’t have him catching everyone on the team BUT burnett.
the reason this debate with you keeps going on and on is you’re taking a position that girardi isn’t.
you’re saying posada has lost something.
listen to the posada audio and you show me and everyone else who’s reading this where girardi said posada is losing something.
that’s your opinion and not girardi’s.
and it’s not mine either.
MG, if I misinterpreted your post I apologize. I have never seen you be critical of players. If I beat it into the ground it’s because I felt there was something to it that needed to be addressed. Yanks were losing a lot of games with Posada behind the plate and there was cause for concern IMO. Having nothing to do with you, what I find amazing is that Posada’s catching was a hot topic everywhere for quite a while this summer, including with the media and former Yankee players. Yet people on this forum were indignant that some of us talked about it and kept at it and insulted us for doing so.
Go figure.
It is all good between us.
“Anyway, on to bigger and better. GO ANGELS!!!”
trisha
we are finally in agreement.
i have an irrational dislike of the red sox.
this should be a really interesting series.
and trisha-
you do realize that cone and flaherty both ended their careers as red sox players
Randy, as you have clearly seen there are many people here who are taking a position that Girardi isn’t, but for Posada and against Posada.
I don’t think we need to be a big bowl of vanilla ice cream on this issue or any other. I have my feelings and opinions and they are what they are. Interestingly enough, I have basically parroted about Posada things that you yourself have said. If there are some differences beyond that, c’est la vie.
There is no debate here. Just a variance of opinions. It needs to be left there.
“we are finally in agreement.
i have an irrational dislike of the red sox.
this should be a really interesting series.”
There ya go!
And one of the things I love most about Posada is his hatred of the Sux. You can bet your bottom dollar he would never go near those losers.
new thread guys. I don’t know how to make that yellow arrow thing.
Meet you there.