Pavano’s time with Yankees a “black period” in his career
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Oct 10, 2009 
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Carl Pavano met the media this morning at the Metrodome and delivered a mostly uninteresting press conference ahead of his Game 3 start tomorrow night. When asked to reflect on his time in New York, Pavano said, “I mean, it’s tough. I mean, you know, it’s definitely a black period in my career, four years where I was kind of just treading water for awhile there, but obviously, with the way this year has gone, I have been able to go out there, and sustained health, go out there and be successful and get through the year and how everything has come full circle.”
Pavano also mentioned how good the chemistry is between him and his Twins teammates, a comment which made me laugh. His new teammtaes love him. His old teammates? They did this to him.
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Yankees are on the field working out right now. Batting practice inside an empty dome is even weirder than an empty stadium – each crack of the bat sounds like a gunshot and balls that hit the seats make a thwacking sound that echoes throughout the place.
Can you let him know that us fans have tried to black out his time here from our memories as well?
F that mfer
This is an occasion when some more candor from the sportswriter seems called for. Sam, what did you think of Pavano’s “black period” comment? Is it an attempt to face up to his reputation, or to deflect it? He’s clearly trying to seem honest, but does he really believe what he’s saying?
“In the black” is more like it. $40 million for a year’s worth of work.
Hope the Yankees crush Pavano tomorrow.
I am tired of hearing that losers name and seeing his face. It would be great to beat him tomorrow night to advance.
What’s funny about that SI article is that the Mets clubhouse is given as one example of looseness and team chemistry. Hah!
CC:
My mom always said that if you don’t have something nice to say …
I’d like to see the Yankees smash him badly to bookend the Twins’ season and remind him that he was a 40 million dollar piece of trash.
We could tolerate players when they couldn’t perform on the field. What we can’t tolerate is some schmoe stealing money while living it up, without even attempting to get back on the field to earn a single penny of it. It’s called stealing, and tomorrow the Yanks will take as much of it back on the field as possible.
point taken, Sam!
“Ive always hated Gardenhire. He comes across as a sore loser. I just dont think he is a very good manager”
he may be bad loser. A bad manager?? He is as good or almost as good as Tom Kelly.
Of course the Twins have to say how much they “love” him. If they didn’t he would of gotten a paper cut and wouldn’t of pitched again this season.
“I mean, it’s tough. I mean, you know, it’s definitely a black period in my career, four years where I was kind of just treading water for awhile there, but obviously, with the way this year has gone, I have been able to go out there, and sustained health, go out there and be successful and get through the year and how everything has come full circle.”
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successful?
5.37 era,1.37 whip & the league batting .284 against him
from the last post with gardner on third and one out, gardenhire intentionally walks jeter and then plays the infield in .
yeah that’s odd.
coincidently , i had asked cb in the first game if the odds were higher to score a run with a man on third compared to a man on third and first.
gardenhire seemed to choose first and third , but didn’t play for the double play.
so maybe he just didn’t want to face jeter.
why not walk the bases loaded and have a force everywhere?
it would be interesting to hear gardenhire’s explanation, but with so much happening in that game we’re probably not going to hear it.
Black? You mean GREEN Mr. Pavano?
I wish I could spend 4 years doing nothing and get paid for it like that.
Sent to me so I can’t take credit for them but they amused me so I will share…..
“Pavano calls his Yankee years his black period. The Yankees called his Yankee years his black and blue period.”
“Are Tex and A-rod the new Mantle and Maris? They were called the M and M boys so that would make Tex and A-Rod the T and …… nevermind”
was the infield in with only gardner on first & jeter still up & they just never put them back into dp debth?
i would of loved to see a bunt
unless jeter misses it gardner scores & it takes the dp away or a play where gardner cant score
According to mlb.com Most saves ranking in AL regular season: 1,Fuentes (LAA) 4
2.Nathan(Twins) 47
3.Mariano Rivera 44
4.Aardsman (SEA)38
5.Papelbon 38.
Nathan had more saves than Mo this regular season.
Due to inclement weather the NLDS game with Philly/Rockies is postponed to Sunday,as per MLB.COM
Not once has Pavano ever mentioned the $40M he pilfered of Yankee money.
Tell Joe Ordinary that he hit a $5M lottery and he’s grateful for life.
Fuentes had 48,computer has a mind of its own today.
I wonder was it Cashman or Torre that made him lay down in the middle of his prime?
Yankees got got paid the contract was insured,but he lost 4 valuable years of pitching off his career.
pavano got bashed because he did not give everything he had,was hardly around & his head wasnt in it
the players attitude & comments towards him are telling & players like jeter,etc are the last to bash
Damon: 1/10. Obvious troll is obvious.
Sam you’d be hard pressed to find anyone on this blog to have something nice to say about Pavano.
When you can’t pitch because your butt hurts,or lie about busted ribs,He’s a crook plain and simple.
Sorry if your mom doesn’t understand blatant cheaters get hosed.
Tell momma we have nice things to say about her boy,though.
Randy
They pitched around Jeter and gave him ball 4 intentionally.
A friend of mine thought Jeter should have attempted a steal of 2nd.
I disagreed. Too much risk, not enough reward.
If they throw him out, Gardy can’t score on a sac fly. If he steals it they prob walk Damon to set up a force at every base.
Maybe he was thinking Gardy comes home if they throw through.
This is a guy who lied about getting into a car accident. It was a black period for the Yankees and their fans………the ONLY thing I’ll give Pavano credit for is not badmouthing NY when AJ asked him about it. They are friends and, per AJ, Pavano said that he got off to a bad start and never recovered but that NY was a great place to play.
Betsy October 10th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
This is a guy who lied about getting into a car accident. It was a black period for the Yankees and their fans………the ONLY thing I’ll give Pavano credit for is not badmouthing NY when AJ asked him about it. They are friends and, per AJ, Pavano said that he got off to a bad start and never recovered but that NY was a great place to play.
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Play is kind of a strong word, don’t you think?
Hey buster I’m no troll,been here all year,die hard Yankees fan.Save that garbage for when the Sawx trolls come.
Prediction: The Rajah of Rehab doesn’t make it out of the third tomorrow night.
Betsy-that’s interesting, I never knew he and AJ were friends. You’re right, I guess you do have to give the guy credit for not scaring AJ away! LOL
Are there any other ex-Marlin pitchers around from that 03 team?
Penny, Pavano, Aj, Dontrelle,Beckett….i don’t think Willis or AJ were used against us, who was the other one?
nettles
you read my mind.I hope the Yankees win the game, so they can rest BUT, knocking him out early would be great.
Erin, yep – from their time in Florida; AJ is friends with Josh Beckett as well. I won’t underestimiate the guy because he’s pitched great against the Yankees this year.
CK, lol………Maybe the Yanks shouldn’t try so hard against him. I’m sure they want to beat the heck out of him, but I wonder if their trying to hard caused their struggles.
Mark Redman?
mick
Dontrelle has an socialized anxiety problem like Greinke go figure.GOOGLE it it’s weird.
Yeah, collecting almost $40 million dollars for not producing any worthwhile work must be really tough. Carl Pavano should just shut up and pitch.
how everything has come full circle.”
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Yep as Sweeney said, he’ll finally be on the mound when the Yankees clinch something! WOOHOOO
Willis was not on the 2003 Marlins…
Here’s the Robertson post game interview SWB blog for anyone who hasn’t heard. Unfortunately, I don’t know enough to attach just the audio itself.
http://community.thetimes-trib.....audio.aspx
wrong betsy
Here’s the Robertson post game interview from the SWB blog for anyone who hasn’t heard it. Unfortunately, I don’t know enough to attach just the audio itself.
http://community.thetimes-trib.....audio.aspx
redman is correct
Betsy-it’s funny, I knew AJ was friends with Beckett but I completely forgot he was teammates with Pavano as well. I think I tried to black out anything about Pavano from my memory!
beckett, penny and pavano pitched the majority of innings against us in o3
This is the third time ? that we are facing Pavano. You know full well that everyone who played with Carl wants to beat his butt and clinch the DS with him on the mound. Hopefully the third time is charm!
Willis most certainly was on the Marlins in 2003.I still have nightmares watching his pitching to the Yankees,he was lights out,Beckett got the glory though.
Urbina is in a jail in Venezuela…
so there are 4 games 2morrow?
sox elimination @ 12
us @ 7
NL?
I have a signed picture of Pavano met him in 2006 when he was rehabbing his shoulder. Should I go burn leaves in my backyard and throw the picture in there? A cleansing of a sort? Asking the baseball gods to help the Yankees kick his butt?
The hitters tried way too hard to smack him around in the 2 starts he made against them this season. It seemed like they were trying to hit grand slams on every pitch. I remember one of them I think Arod not sure even admitted that they tried to do too much. Hopefully this time they will have smaller swings and actually will slap him around.
Pavano pitched well twice against the Yanks early this year. He will throw a lot of change-ups. That is the pitch he will rely on. Stay back and they will hit him.
Wow, I guess Willis has been around longer than I thought. I don’t remember him pitching, but then I try to black that series out of my mind……..
Oh boy, MLB: the Twins should have won that game. Matt whatever hisname is is such a clown. Um, Joe Nathan blew the game and they left a billion guys on base. No, they shouldn’t have won it.
Oh and I don’t want to hear the Twins crying about that blown call down the line. Yes it was clearly fair. But they had the basesloaded NO OUTS and didn’t score. They also had a runner slow down before he reached home assuming he’d score (didn’t before Gomez was thrown out). They left 17 on base. It isn’t the umps fault it is yours for not getting timely hits!
2003 Marlin Pitchers
29 Armando Almanza
32 Juan Alvarez
21 Josh Beckett
33 Toby Borland
40 Nate Bump
43 A.J. Burnett
49 Chad Fox
38 Rick Helling
44 Allen Levrault
41 Braden Looper
39 Blaine Neal
36 Vladimir Nunez
56 Kevin Olsen
45 Carl Pavano
31 Brad Penny
57 Tommy Phelps
55 Mark Redman
91 Tim Spooneybarger
58 Michael Tejera
74 Ugueth Urbina
48 Justin Wayne
35 Dontrelle Willis
37 of 56 innings were pitched by beckett pavano and penny
wonder what aj would have to us if he wasnt hurt?
http://www.baseball-reference......3_WS.shtml
Yep he was there in 2003.
A classic from Sweeny’s twitter lol
Carl Pavano might finally pitch a playoff clincher for the Yanks. The fact that he’s in a Twins uniform is a mere technicality.
AJ was injured at the time if I remember correctly.He didn’t pitch did he?
LOL Erin……2003 was a long time ago and I think Pavano pitched very well in that series. AJ’s been waiting a long time for his chance to pitch in the post season. When he talks about 2003, you can tell he was very happy for the teammates he grew up with, but that it’s a bittersweet moment for him because he didn’t get a chance to contribute.
jennifer
October 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I have a signed picture of Pavano met him in 2006 when he was rehabbing his shoulder. Should I go burn leaves in my backyard and throw the picture in there? A cleansing of a sort? Asking the baseball gods to help the Yankees kick his butt
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I think that sounds like an excellent idea!! LOL
mick October 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
so there are 4 games 2morrow?
sox elimination @ 12
us @ 7
NL?
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Dodgers/Cardinals if nec 3:30
Phillies/Rockies 10 game 3
willis was in the bullpen against us for some reason…i guess they needed him more in the pen
Haiku, AJ missed all but 4 starts due to TJ surgery.
# 100 pitches of fun… October 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
The hitters tried way too hard to smack him around in the 2 starts he made against them this season. It seemed like they were trying to hit grand slams on every pitch. I remember one of them I think Arod not sure even admitted that they tried to do too much. Hopefully this time they will have smaller swings and actually will slap him around.
# austinmac October 10th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Pavano pitched well twice against the Yanks early this year. He will throw a lot of change-ups. That is the pitch he will rely on. Stay back and they will hit him.
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I’m sure Joe and Kevin had meetings with the hitters along the lines of I know you want to beat his *** but stay within yourself don’t do too much. He’s more nervous than you. Let him make mistakes and don’t miss.
ck
that’s about the fullest day of playoff baseball yet….good thing the jets are on monday
This may be the first season AJ has not been on the DL.
AJ wasn’t on the DL last year – he’s been very healthy and I expect he will continue to be.
i was at games 4-5-6 and lived to survive.
Mick …. We’re getting Giants/Raiders here at 10A (West Coast sucks for 1p eastern starts) – will be flipping between that & Angels/Sawx. Guess I’ll have to get up early.
Betsy October 10th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Wow, I guess Willis has been around longer than I thought. I don’t remember him pitching, but then I try to black that series out of my mind……..
Oh boy, MLB: the Twins should have won that game. Matt whatever hisname is is such a clown. Um, Joe Nathan blew the game and they left a billion guys on base. No, they shouldn’t have won it.
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And if Brett didn’t get double off (too excited to score winning run) the Yanks would have won it in the 10th. They can’t go woulda coulda shoulda. They left 17 on base!, They had basesloaded no outs! it isn’t the umps fault! For the record yes if it happened to the Yanks I would be upset, but I’d be more upset that the team didn’t take advantage of a basesloaded no out jam!
Betsy October 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
AJ wasn’t on the DL last year – he’s been very healthy and I expect he will continue to be.
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I stand corrected. Good thing too, it was his contract year.
funny thing is I’ll probably nap thru everything.
is that a nap or an official sleep?
100 pitches of fun…
I love that tweet!! bwahahah
“I have a signed picture of Pavano met him in 2006 when he was rehabbing his shoulder”
did he invite you in his sports car?
Remember… later in this postseason, we may be a victim of one of these calls, rather than the beneficiaries. Considering how many calls have been screwed up so far this postseason, It actually should be expected.
Trunks have no right to complain about blown calls unless they want to brig up Inge’s non-HBP call. They wouldn’t be in the postseason otherwise.
MLB Network said the Twins left men on base in all 11 innings … first time since 1912.
Other than Mark Redman all Marlins starters pitched very well in the 2003 series… Pavano pitched once. Penny and Beckett twice.
Yanks just have to stay back and realize he cannot throw the fastball by them and punish his change.
Yanks also out hit the Marlins and had a better staff ERA. Sometimes stuff just happens
And why haven’t I heard anyone talking about the runner slowing down when he got near home. Yes the runner over ran the base, but if he ran hard he would have scored.
it’s amazing that yesterday was the 13th, yes 13th anny of the jeffrey maier game
13 for arod.
maybe cuzzi blew that call in homage to jeffrey
the last game i remember with he twists and turns of last nite was game in 95….so young then, thought we had it wrapped up…then we went to seattle vs alex, the kid, edgar
Finish this series off tomorrow.
We don’t want to have to burn CC unnecessarily in game 4 and not have him available for game 1 of the ALCS.
game 2 in 95
Looks like Pete is going to get an early vacation up here in Boston.
Twins left 17 on base and lost by 1 run
Ouch.
A highly motivated Yankees team,against MLB’S Rogue passing as a pitcher,I’m lovin this!
anybody have any suggestions for dinner?
they outhit us something like 12-7
The record setting ouch for division play LOB,is game 1 Dodgers vs Cardinals 2009.They broke the 22 LOB figure by 8
Dodgers left 14 Cardinals left 16,for a total of 30 LOB.
Now that’s an ouch.
I want Angels/Sawx to go all 5. They’d have to fly out here again on Wed. Winner has to fly again … ALCS starts Friday.
I thought Young ran hard all the way. Lost in everything was the heads up play by Swish to throw behind the runner and trap him instead of making a futile throw home.
86w183
Nope if you watch the replay he slowed down as he reached home.
“anybody have any suggestions for dinner?”
My mother-in-law, sister-in-law and my wife have been at it all day making alcapurrias and pasteles. I’m enjoying mine right now with some hot sauce and a glass of cabernet.
If you don’t have three lovely women at your house making you dinner, may I suggest pizza.
murph
thanks for the suggestion, had california pizza friday
but do like the pizza hut thin and crispy veggie lovers
CK IN LA
I’ve been following, http://www.coolstandings.com
they are professional sports handicappers.They have said all along Angels in 5.
Socks have played well at home all year.I just want it to go to 5.
might just go there, thanks!
Jen, fortunately it was really just Matt V. saying that…..last night, I was pleasantly surprised to hear commentators on MLB and Baseball Tonight not blaming the ump’s call for the Twins’ loss……
mick:
Remember, even bad pizza is still pizza. Good luck, my friend.
86w183
Jeter had something to do with the Gomez play. needless to say he coaxed the ball from swish
Pavano is the definition of the word “bum”.
my point is that everything has been said about the poor baserunning and not enough about the heads up defense. Jeter helped, but the SS almost always does that, the key is the RF making a great throw.
Jennifer, I’ve seen the replay ten times and the runner was not responsible for the run not counting. No other runner busts it every step of the way once the throw goes elsewhere. Blaming the runner for that out is like blaming the catcher for a hanging curveball
Brian Cashman stated “it was a black period in my career too”
Pavano felt slighted for some reason after joining the team and proceeded to malinger out of spite for the next several years.
He could’ve contributed. He didn’t. He may have cost us championships.
I hope we chase him in the first tomorrow. Six runs or bust!
Let’s sweep this thing tomorrow! Go Yanks!!!
“four years where I was kind of just treading water for awhile there”
overstatement of the century
treading water?
dude, you were drowning