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Girardi: Yankees “definitely considering” a three-man rotation

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Oct 13, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi just did a conference call with the beat writers and said that while the team won’t have its roster/scouting meeting until tomorrow morning, “We are definitely considering going to a three-man rotation in this round.”

Girardi pointed to the lighter workload that CC Sabathia faced in September, as well as the longer layoff he’s getting now since the Yankees swept the first round. Girardi said that the team would like to have plan in place for the rotation going into the series, as opposed to just waiting to see where the team stands when Game 4 rolls around. Remember, too, that because of off-days Sabathia could pitch Games 1, 4 and 7 and only have to pitch on short rest once instead of twice.

In other news to come out of the call:

• Johnny Damon chose to join a group of four bench players who took live batting practice today at the Stadium (Jerry Hairston, Eric Hinske, Brett Gardner and Francisco Cervelli were the others), though Girardi said he is not concerned about Damon’s rough ALDS. He said Damon will absolutely be the starting left fielder in Game 1.

• Chad Gaudin, Dave Robertson, Alfredo Aceves, Phil Coke and Damaso Marte all threw simulated games/BP today as well in an effort to stay sharp. Sabathia was also there to throw his side session.

• Girardi doesn’t expect “a ton of changes” to the roster for the ALCS. He said three catchers again are a possibility and that the decision will be tied to whether they keep Jose Molina catching A.J. Burnett. Girardi wouldn’t commit, but it certainly seems that he’s leaning to keeping that pairing. Girardi also said dropping a lefty out of the pen is possible, and said Brian Bruney and Freddy Guzman could be considerations for the spot.

• When asked about whether he could foresee using Joba Chamberlain in the eighth inning and Phil Hughes in the seventh at some point, Girardi hedged, saying “it’s possible” but that Hughes has been the team’s eighth inning guy for most of the season. “Sometimes you look at match-ups,” Girardi said as a way of mentioning a scenario where it could happen, but added, “I’m not concerned about Hughsie.”

• The Yankees will talk to their pitchers about ways to try and contain the Angels running game, but they don’t want to over-stress it. “Yes, we will do things to curb their running game but they are going to run,” Girardi said. “You’ve got to focus on the hitter.” Pitch-outs, slide steps and pickoff plays are among the things that will be used to try and keep the Angels from running wild.

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197 Responses to “Girardi: Yankees “definitely considering” a three-man rotation”

  1. mick October 13th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Keeping the running Angels off the bases would cut down the running game.

  2. Erin October 13th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    I have a feeling Damon is going to have a huge series.

  3. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Erin
    October 13th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
    I have a feeling Damon is going to have a huge series.

    ****

    I hope you are right. He was very upset after our pretend fight on Sunday night

  4. Mark in Tampa October 13th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Sets up perfect for the Yanks. I don’t think anybody would be concerned with CC on short rest, but the schedule allows AJ and Andy to have 4 days rest between starts. 3 man rotation is a no brainer.

  5. Pov October 13th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    So why weren’t Melky, Swisher and Cano out these also for BP. I can’t say any of those three has been knocking the cover off the ball. Cano I could probably understand since he doesn’t expend any additional energy.

  6. G. Love October 13th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    SJ,

    Bruney scares me in any kind of a big spot. Not that he’ll get hit hard, but that he’ll walk the ball park.

    It’s funny how we at the blog always focus on the last player on the roster, but in this situation when it’s set in stone for the series you want to guess right.

    My head tells me you bring the extra pitcher because of the back to back’s and the travel, but when I look at the list of who the extra pitcher may be i.e. Marte, Bruney, Mitre, Melancon…I start to think that if any of those four get into a game something has really gone wrong.

    Whereas if we’ve used Gardner to run already and Jorge or Molina or Matsui is sitting on 1b late in the game, we’ll wish we had the pinch runner there.

    It’s gonna be interesting to see which way the team goes.

  7. Brandon Awesome (BECAUSE I'M AWESOME!) October 13th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Hughes just had a hiccup vs a hot team, he shouldn’t be taken out of his role. D-Rob needs to get some big innings, maybe the 6th or 7th inning. Joba only vs RHB.

  8. Pov October 13th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    mick October 13th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Keeping the running Angels off the bases would cut down the running game.

    That is the key, if they don’t then it’s going to be watching the WS on TV.

  9. m October 13th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Wow, Joe, what an endorsement of Hughes. :)

    Thanks, Sam. Giradi was a veritable fountain of info today.

    I’d try Gaudin (unless it’s the worse case scenario-elimination game). Unless the want to avoid Andy in a game 7 situation (I don’t know why!).

    repost:

    m
    October 13th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
    Maybe the Angels didn’t like what they saw out of Kazmir on Sunday….

    5. As well as Angels right-hander Jered Weaver pitched in Game 2 in the ALDS against Boston, he should move back in the rotation to Game 3 for the ALCS against the Yankees. Manager Mike Scioscia likely will stick with John Lackey for Game 1 at Yankee Stadium on Friday, but left-hander Scott Kazmir is a better call than Weaver for Game 2 there on Saturday. Why?

    • Weaver was much better at home this year (9-3, 2.90) than on the road (7-5, 4.78).

    • Weaver was much worse against the Yankees this year (1-1, 5.59 in three starts, including 0-1, 6.08 in two starts at Yankee Stadium) than Kazmir (2-1, 3.20 in three starts, all at home).

    • Most importantly, it is slightly more advantageous to throw a left-hander against the Yankees at Yankee Stadium, where you have to defend the shorter porch in right field, because you force their switch-hitters to bat from the right side. Right-handed starters got pounded by the Yankees in that ballpark. They were 10-19 there, including 3-14 since June 19. (Left-handed starters were 6-10). Including the postseason start by Nick Blackburn of Minnesota, 28 opposing right-handers have started at Yankee Stadium in the past four months and only three came away with a win: Roy Halladay, Chris Tillman and Kevin Millwood, and in each case they were supported by 10 runs.

    Honestly, the Yankees are such a dominant offensive team in that ballpark that it doesn’t matter that much. Here are opponents’ records in games at Yankee Stadium, whether the starter gets the decision or not:

    With right-handed starter: 14-37 (.275)
    With left-handed starter: 10-20 (.333)

    But I’d still rather throw a lefty at Yankee Stadium, especially when the right-handed choice, Weaver, is better at home and worse against the Yankees. Remember, Scioscia’s Game 2 starter is also likely to be his starter for Game 6, also to be played at Yankee Stadium — assuming he uses four starters and assuming the Angels can extend the best team in baseball that far.

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  10. bru October 13th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    SJ44
    October 13th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
    Betsy,

    I think the Yankees win this series in 6 or 7 games. I agree with Pat M. I think the Angels bullpen is their achilles heel and will cost them at least one game in the series.

    With Joba in the bullpen, you have Joba, Hughes, Coke, Aceves and probably Bruney in front of Mo.

    That gives Girardi a huge advantage over the Angels in a key component of a series.

    Stolen bases are always overrated by fans. So far in the post-season, we have seen “speed” kill the team looking to utilize it rather than helping them win games.

    Lots of baserunning gaffes in the post-season so far.

    The Angels aren’t going to win this series by stealing a lot of bases. If that’s their plan, they will lose.

    They are going to have to hit some balls out of the ballpark because I think the Yankees will score some runs in this series.

    ———————————————————-

    dont foret robertson

  11. SJ44 October 13th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    G Love,

    I hear ya. I’m not a big Bruney fan. Perhaps in a one hitter spot, he can come through.

    However, you are right. His proclivity to walk the first batter he faces definitely makes him a bubble candidate for the roster.

    You have to make the Angels earn their spots on base. Walks are not an option in this series.

  12. Pov October 13th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Brandon Awesome (BECAUSE I’M AWESOME!) October 13th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Hughes just had a hiccup vs a hot team, he shouldn’t be taken out of his role. D-Rob needs to get some big innings, maybe the 6th or 7th inning. Joba only vs RHB.

    Phils pitches look flat as of late, it’s way more than velocity his pitches need to have some movement along with good location. I saw Jorge moving the glove away from the target quite a few times during the series as his location was not great.

  13. Pov October 13th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    bru October 13th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    SJ44
    October 13th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
    Betsy,

    I think the Yankees win this series in 6 or 7 games. I agree with Pat M. I think the Angels bullpen is their achilles heel and will cost them at least one game in the series.

    I agree if the Yanks win the first two games. If the Angels can spilt those games it’s going to be really hard.

  14. vin October 13th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    repost:

    To me, the three biggest batters in LAA’s lineup are Figgins, Abreu, and Morales. Keep those guys in check and the Angels are in big trouble. Luckily for the Yanks, those guys do not his lefties particularly well. I expect CC to start 3 games, and Andy to start twice in the series. That’s 5 out of 7 games where these three big hitters lose the platoon advantage.

    Figgins (S) .630 OPS vs. lefties
    Abreu (L) .735 OPS vs. lefties
    Morales (S) 4 out of 34 HRs hit vs. lefties

    I’m not sure if Marte makes the roster or not. Does Bruney get the call? Interestinly, Bruney has been better against lefties this year instead of righties.

    http://www.baseball-reference......;t=p#plato

    I fully expect the Yanks to go with 3 starters, and replace Marte with Fast Freddy or maybe (unlikely) Ramiro Pena.

  15. Scott Jerg. October 13th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    I disagree with the, “Joba vs righties only.” That hard slider he has is death to left handed hitters when he gets it around the ankles. I’m not sure what his spits are, but with that pitch, as long as he gets ahead with the fastball, can be devastating against Lefties.

    p.s. Did you guys see that screen capture of Arod after the twins series? haha

    http://outsidetheboxblog.com/2.....eing-arod/

  16. NYY626 October 13th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    p.s. Did you guys see that screen capture of Arod after the twins series? haha

    http://outsidetheboxblog.com/2…..eing-arod/
    ____________________________________________________________
    If you watch the video of jeter’s interview on yesnetwork.com, you can see alex poking his head through the hole before he comes out and “attacks” jeter.

  17. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) October 13th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    I know some people are clamoring for Gardner to get a start, but I think he is most valuable coming off the bench.

    Think about it. Gardner’s best asset is his speed, but he has to be standing on first to use it. If Gardner starts, the most realistic scenario is that he either has a Ofer or gets on base once. Judging from this season and the quality of pitchers you face in the playoffs expecting him to get on base twice or more is just wishful thinking.

    If he comes off the bench, you can GUARANTEE that he will be standing on first base at least one time. Not to mention he will be standing on 1B in a crucial spot in the game.

  18. Seven October 13th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    The angels running wild over the yankees gets a little overblown. They didn’t run all over the yankees in the regular season.

    Jeter had 30 stolen bases this year and Gardner beat the angels twice in september with his speed. So they angels have some of the same concerns.

  19. Bb October 13th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Damon, a huge series? he better because he has been crapola lately. I have a feeling Melky will have a huge series.

  20. G. Love October 13th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    You keep Figgins off 1b and he can’t run wild on us.

  21. Seven October 13th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins)
    October 13th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
    I know some people are clamoring for Gardner to get a start, but I think he is most valuable coming off the bench.

    Think about it. Gardner’s best asset is his speed, but he has to be standing on first to use it. If Gardner starts, the most realistic scenario is that he either has a Ofer or gets on base once. Judging from this season and the quality of pitchers you face in the playoffs expecting him to get on base twice or more is just wishful thinking.

    If he comes off the bench, you can GUARANTEE that he will be standing on first base at least one time. Not to mention he will be standing on 1B in a crucial spot in the game.

    ———————————-

    I agree Gardner is very valuable off the bench in the postseason. The only way you can give Gardner a start in center over Melky is if Guzman makes the alcs roster.

  22. betsy October 13th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    I think it’s ridiculous that people want to dump Hughes out of the 8th inning role because he’s struggled a bit…..and Joe didn’t help anything by hedging. UGH.

  23. betsy October 13th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    M, Joe didn’t exactly breathe confidence into Phil, did he? Sheesh.

  24. Joe October 13th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Drop Marte off the roster and pick up Guzman so w can play them the same they play us.

  25. Neil October 13th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    The Angels are a good team at taking advantage of mistakes and bases on balls. As always, Scioscia makes sure his team is fundamentally sound.
    The Yankees need to beat them at their own game.

  26. MikeBoston October 13th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    I agree with Gardner coming off the bench. At one point he was really contributing with the bat in key spots but that injury really cost him his ab’s in the meat of the season. I don’t think you can give him a start at this point.

    If I had to choose between someone like Bruney over Guzman I’m taking Bruney. I haven’t seen anything from Guzman that makes me think he come in and get some steals. Keep Gardner in that role and also for late inning defense.

  27. Get Yer Damn hands Off Of her! October 13th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Breathe or breed?

  28. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    betsy
    October 13th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
    I think it’s ridiculous that people want to dump Hughes out of the 8th inning role because he’s struggled a bit…..and Joe didn’t help anything by hedging. UGH.

    *****

    Girardi isn’t exactly managing meaningless end of September games anymore. He has weapons in the bullpen and he is going to use what is available to him at the first sign of trouble.

  29. vin October 13th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    There are two ways Gardner MIGHT get a start. If Weaver is pitching, and Melky starts having lazy ABs. Melky has proven to be a pretty tough out at the bottom of the lineup. Weaver has had trouble with lefties also.

  30. E-gawa October 13th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Joba makes me nervous period. It’s not the same pitcher at all. Whatever is wrong with him has carried over to the pen. Use him, sure but let’s not assume he’s automatic again.

    I was half joking when I suggested going 3-man for the postseason but ok. You can’t really blame them. I don’t think that decision should be made until they have to make it though.

  31. G. Love October 13th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Here’s the pinch running issue late in games.

    Candidates to be pinch run for

    Posada/Molina
    Matsui
    Texeira

    That’s 3 spots in the lineup and 4 potential players we can pinch run for.

    If you use Gardner up for one of them, that still leaves 3 other players on the roster who could be on base late in a game when we need speed.

    Say you run Gardner for Posada and then Molina comes in to catch and he gets on base late…we can’t allow him to run in a close game when we have Cervelli on the roster who can come in and catch.

    It also allows you to pinch run for Matsui in a big spot and if you use Guzman and the DH comes up again you have Hinske sitting there as a big weapon.

    Having the 2nd pinch runner is definitely a luxury, but it’s not a terrible concept in a series where you roster is locked.

  32. MikeBoston October 13th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    I have no problem with Joe using those words about Hughes. It’s a kick in the butt. He has to know that they can’t afford any of these hiccups going forward and this is 100% true. He’s a proven commodity going back to his 07 PS debut so I doubt this is a “moment/pee your pants” issue.

    I have the same faith in him as I had last week but you need to have a backup plan in case his issues continue. Hopefully it was just a late season fatigue thing and he can correct it this week. I saw it as no late movement so maybe it was something mechanics wise.

  33. betsy October 13th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Erica, I really don’t think Joe should lose confidence in Phil and I don’t see how Joba has regained anyone’s trust based on a couple of decent, brief outings. Phil did it for many months…

  34. Bronx Jeers October 13th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    3 man in this series is OK.

    Worst case scenario is CC pitching game 4 on 1 day short rest.

    If it goes to 7, that’s CC’s turn on regular rest.

    But.. if they win, the WS is not 3 man friendly at all.

    7 games over 9 days and it gets real dicey if the ALCS goes 7.

    To continue a 3 man in the WS if the ALCS goes 7, you have AJ in game 1 then Andy then CC all on reg rest. Then do it all over but on 1 day short rest and AJ gets game 7 on short rest for the 2nd time.

    They need to win the pennant in 6 to set up the rotation and again you would have CC-AJ- Andy on reg and then everybody on short rest.

    Bottom line…. If they get to the WS, I think they’re going to have Joba or Gaudin start game 4.

  35. Tripps78 October 13th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    POV,

    Yet another fan thinking Cano is lazy. I guess the 25HR, 85 RBI, .320 AVG, 200 hits, 100runs, 48 doubles, and solid defense was not good enough.

    I wonder what is good enough?

  36. BD October 13th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    I guess I don’t really see any downside to pitching CC in game 4. I think some of the risk of starting a pitcher on 3 days’ rest is mitigated by the fact that, in this case, it would be a planned event, rather than a last-minute decision. If the Yankees know that CC is going to be the game 4 starter, Girardi can maybe take him out a bit earlier than usual in game 1 and go easier on him during the subsequent side session. They can also have Gaudin ready to provide some long relief in game 4 if it’s obvious that CC isn’t effective on the 3 days’ rest (very unlikely, IMO).

  37. Doreen October 13th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    100 rbis?

    j/k

  38. Hokiehill October 13th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    I do worry a little bit about CC against the Angels. He went 0-2 this season with an ERA north of 6…but the other options aren’t much better. I’ll be glad to have to worry about our WS rotation IF/WHEN we get there and not a minute before. Joe’s made the decisions to get us here and I trust him and the rest of his staff with this one as well. I just wish we didn’t have to wait until Friday!

  39. MaineYankee October 13th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Betsy

    Trust Joe G. on his decisions with the BP. He has had a good feel for his players and how to use them.

    Hughes may have some fatigue going on that we don’t know about.

    Joe has been real good about getting the most out of the BP.

  40. MikeBoston October 13th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Due to CC’s past success on 3 days rest I agree that the 3 man rotation is a nobrainer for this round at least. One thing you also have to consider is rain. That could kill that plan all together.

    As long as he is effective in the middle game and you don’t have a crazy pitch count. He needs to be fully ready for a possible game 7. That also means you have to be careful with his pitch count in game 1. He’s a horse but you shouldn’t be using him past around 120 pitches with the short rest start 4 days later.

  41. Wahoo4Yanks October 13th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    This may be thinking ahead a bit, but we all realize the goal is to win the world series. Of course in order to win the world series you must win this series BUT: by employing a 3 man rotation I feel it sets us up poorly for the World Series. I would say that a 4 man rotation is absolutely necessary in the WS but it isn’t really plausible to expect an amazing start out of a Gaudin or Joba if they havn’t started a game in nearly 3 weeks… therefore I say you gotta go with the 4 man in this series in order to set your self up more positively for a potential championship. With that said I also believe the score of the series should dictate what the yanks due to an extent.

  42. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    betsy
    October 13th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
    Erica, I really don’t think Joe should lose confidence in Phil and I don’t see how Joba has regained anyone’s trust based on a couple of decent, brief outings. Phil did it for many months…

    *****

    I don’t consider it a lack of confidence. I consider it “Keeping your options open”. Girardi has praised Hughes all season. Hughes has no reason to suddenly feel insecure.

    Additionally, there is no “I” in team. These guys don’t think like fans do. They want to win the game. Bottom line. At the end of the day do you really think it matters to Hughes if he gets one or two outs in the 8th inning when he is wearing his World Series ring? No.

  43. no.27 October 13th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    ““Teixeira did it with a much higher batting average, and much better base running. That doesn’t even consider his amazing defense.”

    Batting average is a poor man’s meter of success. OPS is really the most important offensive meter of success.

    I liked Giambi, as his offensive production was at the top of the game. He is the classic example of why batting average is NOT a good meter of offensive production. Despite an avg in the 200’s, his ops was at the top of the league. Additionally, he had some of the best set of eyes in the game.”

    A guy like Jason Giambi having a high OPS is much less valuable than Mark Teixeira having a high OPS. Teixeira has a higher batting average which means that he moves runners in and over more often than Giambi did. Don’t tell me that batting average is a poor man’s measure of success. It tells part of the story, just like any other stat.

    Teixeira is also a much better base runner, so he is much more likely to score on, say, an error to 2nd base against the Mets than Giambi would be.

  44. BD October 13th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    I don’t think the fourth starter is “Gaudin or Joba”; it’s Gaudin.

  45. Hokiehill October 13th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    I’m with you MikeBoston…also condsidering one of the strengths of this team all year has been the bullpen I can’t see the need to have CC in too long in that first game (unless it’s a 0-0 pitcher’s duel). One of the things that gave me great comfort in the Twins series was that if both pitchers came out of the game, I had more confidence in our bullpen over theirs, and honestly, I think I could say the same thing about the Yankees BP over any of the teams left

  46. Hugh Stacks October 13th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    A little of topic but I feel is important none the less, is the way A-Rod is hitting, not just his results. At his peak form, Rodriguez lets the ball travel deeper into the zone and then driving pitches into the right-center field gap. Both of his home runs were classic A-Rod strokes and if he continues hitting this way a mini slump seems unlikely. The Angels will certainly try to pitch him inside not allowing him to extend his hands, the way most pitchers try to attack power hitters, but if Rodriguez can stay patient like he has been, look for his newly-found October success to continue.

  47. Hokiehill October 13th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Wahoo4Yanks, are you a Wahoo of the dopey scissors variety? (UVA)

  48. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    76 hours and 48 minutes until Game 1!!!!!

  49. vin October 13th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    I’d prefer to see Hughes pitch the 7th inning, and Joba the 8th. As long as the heart of the order, and toughest batters, are due up in the 7th. Use your best pitchers against their best hitters. That’s why I had no problem with Mo facing Mauer in the 8th inning.

    If Mo retired tomorrow he’ll be in the HOF in 6 years, and Phil will still only be 29.

  50. MG October 13th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    if anyone thinks Girardi is going to make changes from the style and preferred lineup he’s used to win 106 games they just don’t understand baseball.

    these guys are pros and you can’t draw any conclusions from a 3 game series. Yes, Damon’s been in a slump but he’s also very, very streaky and most likely ready to turn it around shortly, if he does the Yankees will probably waltz to a World Series victory, just look at the damage he caused in 2004 after he broke out of a similar slump.

    as for the running game, the Yankees already showed the Angels they can do the same thing in a slightly more limited way. The best way to take the running game out of the equation is to continue pitching well and to score early in games, that’s the one thing I’d like to see more of from the Yankees for the rest of the post season.

    Gardner has his role for the post season-late inning pinch running and defense, Girardi will not change that unless they fall behind in a series and he feels like he needs to make a change.

  51. sab October 13th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    October 13th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
    Erin
    October 13th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
    I have a feeling Damon is going to have a huge series.

    ****

    I hope you are right. He was very upset after our pretend fight on Sunday night
    ===========================================================
    HI Erica,

    Just wondering, if you were to pretend cheat on your pretend BF, whom on the current yankee roster would you pretend cheat with?

  52. Erin October 13th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Erica-I love your countdowns. They make Friday seem a little bit closer which is a very good thing!

  53. vin October 13th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    “Both of his home runs were classic A-Rod strokes and if he continues hitting this way a mini slump seems unlikely.”

    Absolutely. You always know when Alex is hitting well when he’s hitting balls up the middle. Some guys have pull power (Pedroia), other guys opposite field power (Jeter), Alex has deepest part of the park, centerfield power. He’s an unbelievable talent.

  54. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    sab
    October 13th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    HI Erica,

    Just wondering, if you were to pretend cheat on your pretend BF, whom on the current yankee roster would you pretend cheat with?
    ****

    Thats a really tough one.

    I think I’d have to go with Derek Jeter. But I am not a pretend cheater

  55. MG October 13th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    one more thing, in the post season you don’t take out pitchers to conserve them for the next game. Starters come out when the manager thinks they are done, period. You play one game at a time and you use relievers in specific situations, just the way Girardi did in the ALDS. There were a bunch of posts in game 3 saying Robertson should pitch the 9th if the Yankees scored more runs, that wasn’t going to happen even if the Yankees scored 10 runs-Mo was going to finish the game because he is the best the Yankees have, period.

  56. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Erin
    October 13th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
    Erica-I love your countdowns. They make Friday seem a little bit closer which is a very good thing!

    ****

    Thank you. Although, its a bit of a superstition at this point.

    I counted down for over two days prior to the end of the All Star break. When the Yanks came back they won 9 games straight.

    Then I counted down until the start of each ALDS game. And the Yanks swept.

    I see no reason to stop now :-)

  57. bru October 13th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    a few bad outings by hughes with a few good ones by joba & jg will switch roles

    he is already considering it

    1 more rough outing by hughes & it will be done imo

    bullpens are funny like that.

    i like joba in the 8th because if hughes gets bombed with no outs there probably is nowhere to go except mo with 6 outs left

  58. able 21 October 13th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    My advice to Joe Girardi – “KISS it” (meaning Keep It Simple Stupid). Works every time.

  59. sab October 13th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Wow Derek huh? OK this next question has to be asked…
    who would win in a pretend cat fight – you or minka? and would you be Ok taking over her pretend role in a Pretend Friday Night Lights series?

  60. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    sab
    October 13th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
    Wow Derek huh? OK this next question has to be asked…
    who would win in a pretend cat fight – you or minka? and would you be Ok taking over her pretend role in a Pretend Friday Night Lights series?

    ****

    I wouldn’t pretend fight Minka. She seems nice.

    Although, I am 5’10 and she is listed as 5’6. So I could probably win

  61. Wahoo4Yanks October 13th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Hokiehill I’m assuming your a supporter of some gobbling red bird….yes

  62. Erin October 13th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Erica, if that’s the case then I agree, no reason to stop!

  63. Ramey October 13th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Betsy,

    Girardi said he wasn’t concerned with Hughes, ergo he didn’t say he wasn’t confident in him. Girardi knows what he’s doing and if he goes on and says “hughes is throwing the ball great right now, etc”, then he’d be doing his best joba impersonation by not seeing the results on the mound where phil has obviously struggled recently.

    That being said, girardi should keep his options open. Maybe there’ll come a time when he uses hughes in the 7th inning to get a big out against a hunter or abreu, and use joba in the 8th inning to get an aybar or izturis out. if i recall, that happened in game 1 of the alds where joba came in after hughes used up a lot of pitches.

  64. Bronx Jeers October 13th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    A 4 man in the ALCS actually screws it up a bit as you you would have AJ then Andy at home for games 6-7 instead of IMO the much preferable Andy then CC.

    Ideally they win in 6 or less.

    Of course winning in 7 is fine as well.

    As long as they win.

    If they lose? It was still a heck of a fun season.

    But if they win the World Series? I’m immediately complaining about 2010. As a homage to LoHud.

  65. Seven October 13th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    The three man rotation will be the wise thing to do. Because the yankees swept the twins CC didn’t have to pitch game 4 and he got a couple of extra days rest. He is well rested and will only make 1 start on 3 days rest. It really is a no brainer.

  66. able 21 October 13th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Did you ladies hear they are bringing back women’s roller derby? How ’bout settling it there? At 5′ 10, Erica has my vote :)

  67. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Ramey-

    Nice to see you posting again :-)

  68. Ramey October 13th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Erica-

    I can only stay quiet for so long, you should know that!

  69. Erin October 13th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    able 21
    October 13th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
    Did you ladies hear they are bringing back women’s roller derby? How ’bout settling it there? At 5? 10, Erica has my vote

    ***************
    Have you seen Whip It yet? You’d like it… LOL

  70. able 21 October 13th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Erin – No I haven’t, but I’ll check it out. Thanks

  71. Warning Track Power October 13th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    the idea of a 3 man rotation in the ALCS makes me nervous. at the same time, the nerves might be due to our opponent. this is the year to get over the hump and win 4 games vs the angels.

    joba in the pen(again) is a huge advantage. it shortens the game up, which could be a benefit with a 3 man rotation. less IP for the starters, if the situation dictates that.

    the key is to keep the walks to a minimum, keep the speedsters off the bases, limit the walks(did i say that already) and score runs early and often.

  72. bru October 13th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    going to be a great series

    we have to keep the walks down

    girrardi needs to get this point across

  73. sab October 13th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Did you ladies hear they are bringing back women’s roller derby? How ’bout settling it there? At 5? 10, Erica has my vote …
    ======================================================
    on a similar but different note – after the last yankee game i had a little trouble getting to sleep being all happy and whatnot so i was channel surfing and saw that there is now an actual lingerie football league?!?! the funny part of it was how much “uniform re-adjusting” was done after each play….unreal what is being passed on as entertainment today…

  74. arliss October 13th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    CC
    AJ
    Andy
    CC
    AJ
    Andy
    CC

    4 wins, 7 tries. I love our chances.

  75. Hokiehill October 13th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    That would be correct Wahoo…although I can manage to keep our rivalry out of this blog for the common good of the Yankees if you can…just found it funny as I happen to be sitting in Charlottesville this very moment.

  76. bru October 13th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    if lackey & weaver are not on their game we will win

    those 2 are the key

    the same with 2 of our pitchers

  77. Hokiehill October 13th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    “going to be a great series

    we have to keep the walks down

    girrardi needs to get this point across”

    Thankfully we’re not the twins…I think at one point in game 3, 3 different relievers came in and all walked someone back to back…I would have just left the park if that was my team

  78. BD October 13th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    “This may be thinking ahead a bit, but we all realize the goal is to win the world series. Of course in order to win the world series you must win this series BUT: by employing a 3 man rotation I feel it sets us up poorly for the World Series. I would say that a 4 man rotation is absolutely necessary in the WS but it isn’t really plausible to expect an amazing start out of a Gaudin or Joba if they havn’t started a game in nearly 3 weeks… therefore I say you gotta go with the 4 man in this series in order to set your self up more positively for a potential championship. With that said I also believe the score of the series should dictate what the yanks due to an extent.”

    I disagree on both fronts. The goal is to win the WS, but the Angels are probably going to be a more difficult opponent than either the Dodgers or the Phillies. Plus, we’d all rather have the Yankees eliminated in the WS than in the ACLS, so it makes more sense to pull out all the stops for the ACLS and worry about the WS later.

    As for waiting to see what the “score” of the series is before deciding on a game 4 starter, I don’t see how it helps the Yankees to delay in making a decision. Obviously, if the NYY are BEHIND in the series going into Game 4, they will go ahead and start Sabathia anyway and not count on Gaudin as the stopper. If the Yankees are ahead in the series, then winning Game 4 would either clinch the pennant or put them in an excellent position to finish off the LAAA in 6 or fewer games, thus allowing them to reset the rotation the same way for the WS. Therefore, I don’t see how the “score” of the series is ever going to cause them to replace CC with Gaudin as the game 4 starter.

  79. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    We need some new topics on this board. Quickly

  80. bru October 13th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    jg will go with cc,burnett & pettitte only

    trust

  81. Hokiehill October 13th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    “Therefore, I don’t see how the “score” of the series is ever going to cause them to replace CC with Gaudin as the game 4 starter.”

    What if CC gets shelled in the first game?

  82. Ramey October 13th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    “What if CC gets shelled in the first game?”

    I’d rather see CC get shelled three times and lose with our best than see Gaudin shelled once and lose with our 4th best

  83. bru October 13th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    imo we drop marte & add guzman

    with the days off i dont see a need for bruney unless we drop cervelli & marte & add guzman & bruney

  84. Hokiehill October 13th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    I agree with that line of thought Ramey and don’t really expect that to be an issue…more or less just making the point that the wins and losses won’t be the only factor in deciding whether Girardi goes with CC in game 4.

  85. bru October 13th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    if posada catches burnett i bet we drop cervelli for bruney

  86. RS October 13th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    “As for waiting to see what the “score” of the series is before deciding on a game 4 starter, I don’t see how it helps the Yankees to delay in making a decision.”

    I think they just want Sabathia to know he’s pitching before the morning of Game 4. Let him prepare for it mentally, even though we know he’s physically capable of going on short rest.

    The funny thing is that Sabathia and Gaudin both made one start in Anaheim this year, and Gaudin fared much better.

  87. DB October 13th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Another fleet foot utility player is less needed than a strong arm in the pen. I don’t see how Bruney doesn’t get the call. He pitched very well the last 6 weeks. Marte was a disaster in Game 2, I was screaming for Bruney there.

  88. DB October 13th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    …and CC for 1,4, and 7 is a No-Brainer

  89. Rishi October 13th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    Erica –

    just for you:

    Johnny Damon hits in simulated game at Yankee Stadium after struggling against Twins http://bit.ly/1ZKhn8

  90. MikeBoston October 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Bru, Cervelli will not be dropped and Molina will catch AJ. Let’s please not bring this topic up again but nothing has changed to make me think JG will change his mind about that battery. The ol’ if it ain’t broke thing…

  91. vin October 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    “I would have just left the park if that was my team”

    No one left the dome because it was too cold outside. Those poor people were stuck in there just trying to stay warm.

  92. Erin October 13th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    bru
    October 13th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    if posada catches burnett i bet we drop cervelli for bruney

    *************

    I certainly hope that doesn’t happen. I have a massive crush on Cervelli! LOL

  93. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Rishi
    October 13th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
    Erica –

    just for you:

    Johnny Damon hits in simulated game at Yankee Stadium after struggling against Twins http://bit.ly/1ZKhn8

    ****

    I told you all!!! We had a very big pretend fight Sunday night (don’t worry, I did all of the yelling). I ordered Johnny to take LOTS of batting practice

  94. DB October 13th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    # Ramey October 13th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    “What if CC gets shelled in the first game?”

    I’d rather see CC get shelled three times and lose with our best than see Gaudin shelled once and lose with our 4th best

    Good Point.

    Don’t worry about the big man. There are only 14 games possible left in the season. He doesn’t need to save a thing in the tank. This is it. CC will probably demand the ball for 6 of those games. I say give it to him.

  95. no.27 October 13th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    “If the Yankees are ahead in the series, then winning Game 4 would either clinch the pennant or put them in an excellent position to finish off the LAAA in 6 or fewer games, thus allowing them to reset the rotation the same way for the WS. Therefore, I don’t see how the “score” of the series is ever going to cause them to replace CC with Gaudin as the game 4 starter.”

    Well, that’s the thing. The Yankees can’t just reset the rotation the same way for the World Series. If they do, games 4, 5, 6, and 7 would all be pitched on short rest. Something they definitely won’t do.

  96. raymagnetic October 13th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    “POV,

    Yet another fan thinking Cano is lazy. I guess the 25HR, 85 RBI, .320 AVG, 200 hits, 100runs, 48 doubles, and solid defense was not good enough.

    I wonder what is good enough?”

    Imagine what kind of numbers he would put up if he wasn’t so lazy!

  97. DB October 13th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    MikeBoston October 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Bru, Cervelli will not be dropped and Molina will catch AJ. Let’s please not bring this topic up again but nothing has changed to make me think JG will change his mind about that battery. The ol’ if it ain’t broke thing…

    As a major Posada supporter, I agree with you whole heartedly. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

    The only thing that annoyed me during the whole Posada-Gate was the lack of respect Jorge got by some fans. Know your facts, Jorge is an outstanding catcher. No one is perfect and some people just work well with others. I’m ok with it. Girardi played it perfectly in Game 2, pulling Molina after Burnett was taken out. No harm no foul.

  98. Patrick October 13th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    A 3 man rotation seems like the best plan to me. CC can handle the workload and I’d rather not chance a Gaudin start

  99. DB October 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Even if CC has to pitch a 7th game, he would be available for at least the 3rd and 7th game the next series. Sounds good to me.

    But, they need to get there first. The Angels are no slouch. This series has the potential to be long, drawn out, and hard fought. You got to put your best out there as much as possible and worry about the next round if you make it.

  100. BD October 13th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    “Therefore, I don’t see how the “score” of the series is ever going to cause them to replace CC with Gaudin as the game 4 starter.”

    What if CC gets shelled in the first game?

    *******

    The question would be, why was he shelled? Was he injured, did his mechanics suddenly fall apart, or was he just victimized by great hitting and/or unlucky BABIP? If there was a reason for it, and the problem couldn’t be corrected in time for Game 4, than they could go ahead and put Gaudin in for that game. If it was “just one of those things,” then they presumably would still want him to start in game 4 and game 7 (if necessary).

    Anyway, you are introducing a different factor into the equation, i.e., the possibibility that CC will get shelled in game 1. Based solely on what the “score” of the series is after three games, I don’t see why they would ever swap out CC for Gaudin in game 4. One of the teams is going to be up either 3-0 or 2-1. If it’s the NYY, they would want to keep CC as the game 4 starter in hopes of closing out the series early and getting all three starters back in the WS in the same order and on full rest. If the LAAA are ahead, then game 4 becomes critical and the Yankees will want to have their best starter on the hill, not trust the whole season to Gaudin.

  101. Bronx Jeers October 13th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    LA Times fires a shot.

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/.....3647.story

  102. Neil October 13th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Hitters like Damon don’t go into deep, prolonged slumps. He makes adjustments and gets back into his best groove. For him it’s happened too many times to start experimenting. Kevin long can also pick up a small flaw in video. Angels scouts are well aware what Damon is all about.
    The same applies to Matsui and others.

  103. RS October 13th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    I agree with those that say the Yankees should put out their best rotation in the ALCS and worry about the WS if/when that comes.

    Facing the Angels and their starting pitchers will be the hardest test the Yankees will come by this postseason. They need to use their best in this series.

  104. MG October 13th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    the history of baseball is full of Aces who started post season games (and won) on short rest. They have the entire winter to recover, it’s no big deal for them. Both Bob Gibson and Mel Stottlemyre pitched game 7 of the 1964 series on 2 days rest.

    CC is a horse, if he needs to pitch game 4 of the ALCS on 3 days rest and game 7 on regular rest it won’t bother him and he’ll still be able to pitch in the World Series on whatever rest Girardi, Eiland, and CC think will work. In any event it’s better than going to a questionable 4th starter in Gaudin or Joba.

  105. m October 13th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4556312

    3-man rotation a possibility is big news on a slow news day. Includes video of an interview with Joe Buck (I know, right? espn interviewing a Fox analyst).

    At the end it made like Cervelli was dependent on the Burnett battery. I think Cervelli should be on at any rate. He’s more valuable than a 12th pitcher or an extra pinch runner imo (don’t forget Hairston can run, too)

  106. Largo October 13th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    BD said “I don’t see why they would ever swap out CC for Gaudin in game 4. One of the teams is going to be up either 3-0 or 2-1. If it’s the NYY, they would want to keep CC as the game 4 starter in hopes of closing out the series early and getting all three starters back in the WS in the same order and on full rest. If the LAAA are ahead, then game 4 becomes critical and the Yankees will want to have their best starter on the hill, not trust the whole season to Gaudin.”

    I agree with your conclusion, but have to point out that both the Game 4 and Game 5 ALCS starters would be able to start Game 1 of the WS on full rest, so I don’t think that would be a factor.

    You pitch CC because on three days rest he is better than your alternative, who will have had about 2.5 weeks of rest at that point.

  107. Pel October 13th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    >LA Times fires a shot.

    Bill Shaikin’s shooting blanks.

  108. NYY626 October 13th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    I told you all!!! We had a very big pretend fight Sunday night (don’t worry, I did all of the yelling). I ordered Johnny to take LOTS of batting practice
    ____________________________________________________________
    Was this fight only about his lack of production or did you address his nudity problem? ;)

  109. betsy October 13th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    LOL America will never root for the Yankees over any team, so that was a wasted effort by the L.A. Times. How unprofessional anyway…..I didn’t bother reading it, but let me guess: payroll is biggest reason, followed by the fact that the Yankees are an inhuman monolith. Anyone following this team knows this team is amazingly likeable, but oh well…….

    AS for the rotation, Friday’s weathe r looks horrible, so that may throw a rally monkey wrench into the situation. I really don’t want CC to go on 3 days rest at all – he’s not good against the Angels on regular rest and 3 days? No thanks. I do see the argument to be made, but unless the Yankees are down 0-3, I wouldn’t do it.

  110. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    NYY626
    October 13th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
    I told you all!!! We had a very big pretend fight Sunday night (don’t worry, I did all of the yelling). I ordered Johnny to take LOTS of batting practice
    ____________________________________________________________
    Was this fight only about his lack of production or did you address his nudity problem?
    ****

    Hahaha. It was the lack of hitting only ;-)

  111. Erica - always OPPC October 13th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  112. bru October 13th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    MikeBoston
    October 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    Bru, Cervelli will not be dropped and Molina will catch AJ. Let’s please not bring this topic up again but nothing has changed to make me think JG will change his mind about that battery. The ol’ if it ain’t broke thing…

    ———————————————————–

    i dont need u telling me what to bring up

    it is not a debte it is a decision that will have to be made

    the media in talking with jg said the decision was not made & it will depend on who catches burnett

    i dont know what is the right call

    3 catchers is nice but not needed

    do you want 3 catchers,2 lefties,guman

    i personally would drop marte for guman at the very minimum & if posada catches burnett cervelli is a waste to have
    & who catches burnett will decide that imo

    if posada catches burnett no way girrardi carrys 3 catchers

    girrardi might be affrid to take posada out of the lineup against the angels but i think he starts molina to make burnett happy & give him no excuses & then pulls molina for posada

  113. ADam October 13th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    The Manager Says “Considering” and Espn Reports that they are Leaning Towards…. Great Journalism… How bad do you think ESPN is going to tear down the yankees and biuld up the angels?

  114. bru October 13th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    MikeBoston

    i am not taking sides on who should catch

    i just dont know

    i think girrardi played it well.

    starting molina then bringing in posada

    do we need another pen arm,guzman ???

    i dont think girrardi knows for sure so how would you???

    a little hint

    you dont

  115. Sal October 13th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Whoever is on the Yanks roster, Just win baby, just win.

  116. MikeBoston October 13th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Bru, as much as I wanted Jorgie in the lineup for game 2 you can’t argue with the results. Sure AJ was a bit wild but he didn’t make any lethal mistakes and Molina only got 3ab’s, it worked out perfectly with Jorgie getting a big hit later in the game. I also love Cervelli on the roster because for a catcher he can run a little and his defense/game calling seem to be light years better than just another rookie.

    Like I said earlier, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Game 2 made 7 quality starts in row with Molina catching, that should be enough for Joe because it is for me.

  117. haiku-man October 13th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    I read ONE of the things that’s holding Joe up from deciding on a three man is the possible rain forecast for.

  118. Jeff in LA October 14th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    In case you weren’t already convinced, the fact that Steve Phillips is against the idea should convince everyone that a 3 man rotation is the way to go.

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnatio.....ve-phillip

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