Defending the decisions that mattered
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Management of the pitching staff will surely be the hot topic of tonight’s Yankees loss in Anaheim. Joe Girardi went to the mound to talk to Andy Pettitte before Vladimir Guerrero came to the plate in the sixth, and Guerrero hit a two-run, game-tying home run. Girardi pulled Pettitte after 95 pitches to give the ball to Joba Chamberlain, whose first pitch went for a triple that led to a run. Girardi turned to Alfredo Aceves with two outs and the bases empty in the 11th, and the game was over seven pitches later.
“We have all the matchups and all the scouting reports,” Girardi said of the Aceves decision. “And we felt that, you know, it was a better matchup for us.”
“I’m not going to get into specifics of why,” pitching coach Dave Eiland said. “We just liked the matchup better, and Ace had (Howie Kendrick) where he wanted to, he just couldn’t make the pitch to put him away. And still, it was a five-hopper up the middle or a 10-hopper up the middle, but he just wasn’t able to make that one pitch to put him away.”
The decision to talk to Pettitte before the Guerrero at-bat seems curious. I’m not sure exactly what was said out there — and the Yankees clearly had information they wanted Pettitte to keep in mind – but I’m not sure you want to disrupt a pitcher’s rhythm for that at-bat, especially when that pitcher is a been-there, done-that veteran like Pettitte.
“He missed his spot,” Eiland said. “That’s all I can tell you. Wish I could tell you more but we still have games to play against them.”
One debatable decision that had nothing to do with the pitching staff was the decision to put Jerry Hairston into left field in place of Johnny Damon in the 10th inning. The move eliminated the DH and took Damon’s bat out of the lineup, which mattered a great deal when Francisco Cervelli had to pinch hit in front of Mark Teixeira with two outs in the top of the 11th.
“You have to put yourself in a situation where if the ball is hit directly at the left fielder, you maybe give yourself a better chance,” Damon said. “Jerry does have a better arm than I do, so I can’t disagree with that. Unfortunately it didn’t come to him and he did not make a play, and unfortunately we lose my bat the next inning.”
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Yeah, yeah, yeah…
Let’s split the blame pie like this
50 % – Girardi
50 % – 0-8 with RISP
Yes you don’t know what would have happened if you left Robertson..maybe he gives up a walk-off homer..but if that DID HAPPEN would we be sitting here saying GEE we should have brought in Aceves.with 2 out and nobody on?
NO NO NO..no one would have said that because it makes no sense at all!! Worst move ever
HP UMPIRE!!!
Reason for loss tonight, and for 3 other near losses this postseason.
50 % – 0-8 with RISP. So that should be attributed to the HP umpire then, correct?
What on earth could their matchups or scouting reports tell them in that situation?
I’m sorry, I didn’t look at any pitch FX to know how bad he was. I wasn’t thinking anything when I was watching the game
Is anyone else getting annoyed with CR9 posting the same thing over and over and over and over again?
21 hours and 7 minutes until Game 4!!!!!!!!
Really? Home plate umpire? That’s your thinking?
There’s really nothing that could be said to you, because it’s so irrational.
yes RISP was terrible..Why can’t Tex, cano, cabera, and swisher hit? Yes they are not hitting at all..But that happens in the playoffs..players stop hitting..Our manager killed us today…Think about this batting behind A-Rod…Jerry H..not much protection..Batting behind JETER: The freaking pitcher’s spot…no protection for the two best hitters on your team..How can you win with that?? What is giradi doing??
The Yankees should avoid extra innings on the road from now on, at whatever cost. Those types of games are very, very difficult to win. One run and its the end.
Oh well, can’t win em all. Just get em tomorrow
The umpires had no bearing at all on why the yanks lost…
Erica – always OPPC October 19th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
21 hours and 7 minutes until Game 4!!!!!!!
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Too far away, Erica.
Anyone else watching the Phillies game?
Steal Bobby valentine from the Indians
CR9 wins most annoying poster….
Now batting Derek Jeter…batting second the pitcher’s spot..You can’t make this stuff up!!!!Now batting Alex Rodriguez..batting 5th oh Jerry H Junior.
Jason
October 19th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Really? Home plate umpire? That’s your thinking?
There’s really nothing that could be said to you, because it’s so irrational.”
It is so irrational. Others on here, including the respected posters such as SJ44, have acknowledged the different strike zone during the course of the year.
How else do you explain year in and year out, the postseason comes along, and some or all of our guys go into shutdown mode.
Just look at a pitch chart from tonight’s game. The amount of outside pitches getting called strikes for their pitchers is ridiculous. Minnesota and Anaheim.
Melky is such a joke in this series. The same goes for swish, and cano. They can’t buy a hit. They are not smart hitters. They can’t adjust to a breaking ball that they have seen several times thinking fastball is coming.
And Tex looks like a fool in the batters box. The guy is just swinging at garbage.
joe g and eiland are both covering up. what they should have said was that Kendrick is a fastball hitter and they were afraid he would park one and game over.
there were no stats to back it up. he went to his buddy Ace.
going over to look at a book was his coverup for going with his gut.
yeah the phills and dodgers game is tight….I think dodgers bullpen pulls it out.
Tomorrow is going to be 1 long day.
Our batters have an unfair strike zone. They cannot hit with RISP. The umpire certainly did have an effect on this game, and every other game this postseason.
jeremy
they are all uptight, choking if you will.
at least tex isn’t taking it to the field, cano is.
melky, swisher and robbie left 16 men on base between them..thats just awful.
If you blame Girardi for losing in the 11th inning then you have to credit him for getting them the 11th inning in the first place. The Yankees were outplayed and outpitched in this game and had only 4 hits in 11 innings when you discount the 4 solo hrs. Why does that matter? Because they accrued 7 walks. They couldn’t scratch out one more run with 7 walks and 4 hits. As I said before, they had no business winning this game yet they almost did. LA gains no momentum with this win, what they get is a shallow breath after being pulled under the ocean during a violent storm. Hurricane CC is riding up the coast.
have calls gone against the yanks sure…they have..remember the “foul ball” that Mauer hit was one of the worst call in post season history..If that call went against the yanks that ump would have been murdered…You really can’t complain about calls..
Cano, Swish, and Cabrera need to be beaten. Maybe then they will hit with RISP, lol.
If Gardner isn’t starting any games in this series then why the need for Guzman on the roster?
I assumed Gardner would be getting a start or 2 when it was announced Guzman would be on the roster.
And none of these pinch run situations have worked. Then you’re stuck with weak hitters in extras.
Bottom line, this team needs to start stringing together hits and scoring runs not via the solo HR. Can’t expect to shut down the Angels lineup for an entire series.
Blame pie is
90% Swish for not hitting in ONE runner from third with one out in TWO tries
10% Girardi going to talk to Pettitte at 2-2 against Vlad.
I didn’t have that big of a problem putting in Hariston for Damon. At that point with the bases loaded you are trying to do everything not to lose the game.
“they are all uptight, choking if you will.”
You mean the umpires are loose, and exerting their will.
I am pulling for the Phillies. Maybe they can fist one past the outfield wall.
Okay, I’m bummed too, but I do not place any blame at all on Girardi — after the season this team has had, I’m trusting that he knows a wee bit more about his pitchers than any of you do, and if he’s right 80% of the time, that’s fantastic, but still that leaves 20%, which tonight happens to fall into.
Also, please quit whining about the umps. At “Halos’ Heaven,” the top Angels blog, everyone there thinks the umps are against them, too. Quit it. The umpiring, if anything, has been very much pro-Yankee — I’m talking about the Mauer “foul” in Game 2 of the Twins series at the Stadium.
The Yanks are fine; if they collapse because of this loss, then they don’t deserve to go any further. The team has been very resilient all season — and even tonight (Posada’s dinger, which could’ve been the game winner if not for a very timely pitch-out) — so there’s reason to be nervous but no reason to be so damn negative.
Okay. That’s my piece.
Go Yanks.
Joe’s buddy is Aceves..thank god Mitre is not on the post seaason roster..he would be getting the start tomorrow…
Out of cabrera, cano and Swisher I would only keep Swisher in tomorrow. At least he’s played solid defense. Hairston and Gardner should start.
Over-managing killed the game. It’s okay, I wasn’t expecting a sweep, but the Yankees have to win tomorrow with CC on short rest.
He’s still an idiot.
Just got back to my hotel from a nice Cuban meal in the City of Orange after a great game with a tough ending.
Without benefit of any analysys beyond my own two eyes and discussion with my buddy, I think it basically came down to three things that happened:
1) Pettitte gave up a bomb to Vlad. Woke the place up.
2) Joba wasn’t great.
3) D-Ron removed inexplicably for Aceves. I scratched my head and told my buddy I thought D-Rob was good for another inning.
The offense could’ve done more, particularly the missed Swishertunities…but those are the breaks.
Maybe I had too much beer today, but I feel more like the old hat tip to the Angels than frustration with our squad.
I was hoping for an Angels burial tomorrow and a half-beaten crowd; instead I fear it will be even more loud, intense thunder stickitude and rally nonsense.
Oh well, up to CC and the Yankee bats to shut ‘em up again.
Bottom line is:
This is a war, not a battle. Today they came up on top but it took a bad decision by Girardi to really do us in. But we again tied the game in the last innings and took them to extra innings. Had this been at Yankee Stadium, we may have won.
We have to move on, learn from our mistakes and play with even more intensity than today. We need to take care of every at bat like its the most precious thing and find any way possible to drive the runners once they get on base. Our D needs to keep playing as well as its been and Joe needs to learn from this loss and use his bullpen wisely.
Six more games to win. Tomorrow we have our ace CC on the mound and a whole team with a chip on their shoulders, ready to bounce back and get closer to the promised land.
LETS GO, YANKEES!!!!!!!
Yeah, CR9 keeps posting that garbage. Meanwhile, the HP umpire tonight was by far the best the Yankees have had so far in the playoffs… And they lost.
Dave Eiland said this..”We just liked the matchup better, and Ace had (Howie Kendrick) where he wanted to, he just couldn’t make the pitch to put him away. And still, it was a five-hopper up the middle or a 10-hopper up the middle, but he just wasn’t able to make that one pitch to put him away.”
by the way Dave the ball Mathis hit almost knocked the left center field wall down…
Joe Girardi, if you read this, please submit a letter of resignation immediately. Thank you. Oh, and on your way out, if you could please grab your scouting reports and take those too. Thanks.
CR9 dead horse….dead horse CR9, now that you have been introduced, quit beating it…
Just saw how the Yanks lost the game. SMH
“2) Joba wasn’t great. ”
HE WAS TERRIBLE…triple…double sac fly…I don’t know much..but that is not good..
“The decision to talk to Pettitte before the Guerrero at-bat seems curious. I’m not sure exactly what was said out there — and the Yankees clearly had information they wanted Pettitte to keep in mind – but I’m not sure you want to disrupt a pitcher’s rhythm for that at-bat, especially when that pitcher is a been-there, done-that veteran like Pettitte.”
McCarver was focusing on the fact that Girardi was talking directly to Posada and not Pettitte. Maybe he should have spoken to the pitcher himself to get the point across?
Girardi is an idiot ! The guy never uses Robertson in a big situation until he has no choice. The guy has a love affair with Coke, Ace, and Marte in big situations. He brings in Joba when he should have brought in Robertson and maybe the Yankees win this game.
we have been very lucky so far.
this could be a good thing.
it might loosen us up.
we have gotten every bad ump call, every baserunning error has gone our way, as well as crucial errors.
We can second guess Girardi to death after a tough loss like this.He made some decisions that unfortunately did not work out tonight.He has a different managerial style,one that I don’t always agree with,but I give him the benefit of the doubt.Many fans are saying it was a stupid move to go to Aceves in that situation.That said, I think he definitely manages with a plan and he stays true to that plan.He has managed very aggressively this post season and the team is now 5-1.He has earned the position he’s in.Playoff baseball is about pitching,defense and timely hitting. Tonight unfortunately there was no timely hitting.
Of Course if the Yankees drive in the two runs at third with 1 out they win 6-4 but, oh well.
You want to know what lost us this game.
1. lack of clutch hitting. Besides Alex it has been missing the entire post season. It has been covered up because of our outstanding pitching.
2. Alfredo being in the game. He had no business pitching, he should have been the last one out of the pen.
The hp ump had nothing to do with the loss. nothing. They didn’t hit plain an simple.
Did anyone seriously think we’d win 11-0 in the post season. We were bound to lose a game. Oh and look who is on the mound for us tomorrow? Our ace.
” I’m talking about the Mauer “foul” in Game 2 of the Twins series at the Stadium”
Wooooooooooooh, one call, an accidental call in which his umpire cohort threw him under the bus for after the game.
In that game 2, we got cheated on nearly 50 pitches (balls and strikes) while only receiving 10-15 cheap calls in our favor.
Of all the Yankee pitchers who have lost this post season – Aceves has the hottest looking wife.
They DID NOT hit because they were placed in DETRIMENTAL counts all night with the cheap outside strike. Just go back and watch it on DVR. It is simple.
Why weren’t the outfielders playing deeper in the last inning to cut off the double?
Not hitting with RISP doesnt mean Girardis moves werent complete garbage and something that even a high school coach wouldnt do.
Hell, Joe Torre wouldnt have even pulled Robertson.
I’m pulling for the Dodgers. I really want no part of playing Torre and Mattingly, but the Phillies fans were just so obnoxious tonight at the bar that I can’t cheer for them. At least for tonight’s game anyway.
CR9, you don’t realize how stupid you’re sounding and how bad you’re looking.
Anyone who knows anything about baseball would have had no trouble seeing that the HP umpire tonight was pretty much perfect. At least compared to any other HP umpire the Yankees have had throughout the playoffs.
So unless you’re arguing that the Yankees can’t win with a fair HP umpire, then you aught to just be quiet.
For **** sake, Alex, the best hitter in the game, was placed in a detrimental count at the most key time of the game in Game 2, and thankfully for his skill, we did not get cost.
Nick-
You are not going back tomorrow. I have banned you from that Stadum
Here is my question, Girardi and Eiland seem to be saying that both the talk with Andy and the robertson pull were decisions based on something they can’t say right now. Win or lose, when the season is over, someone better damn well get good answers to both.
NYY626
October 19th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
I’m pulling for the Dodgers. I really want no part of playing Torre and Mattingly, but the Phillies fans were just so obnoxious tonight at the bar that I can’t cheer for them. At least for tonight’s game anyway.
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They were really obnoxious in AC too. And they were all rooting for the Angels
It was really quiet early. The place will be rocking tomorrow for sure. But many of those cheers will go to CC pitching in front of hometown famili and friends.
Anyone watching the Phillies/Dodgers game just hear Caray talk about come back wins? Yankees lead MLB, but the Phillies, Angels and Dodgers fill up the top 4. Seems like at least the right teams are fighting this out.
Anyone else find it odd that he took Pettitte out after 81 pitches when he clearly looked great that night.
And today I didn’t think Pettitte had great stuff and he had to grind a bit. but he stayed with him.
A bit backwards?
Girardi is a fool. He has his stupid circle of trust. Instead of going with your best he goes with the pitchers he like best. Girardi better win this series or he should be fired.
DFox, I will agree. The HP umpire tonight was not as bad as at least 4 other HP umpires this postseason. Just because we was not as bad, does not excuse the repeated cheap outside calls gotten by the opposition in every game against us.
What I am arguing is, I believe that the Yankees would have won every game up to this point, and at least a couple with no stress, in the postseason had they been treated fairly by the HP umpire. If the Yankees get treated fairly by the HP umpire, we more than likely win most of our games. Probably have a 2 or 3 extra World Series in the past 10 years, too.
One thing I will fault Girardi for is not calling one hit and run – especially with Cano. Cano struck out 63 times this year, he’s an incredible contact hitter with a penchant for ground balls yet Girardi hardly ever using him to hit and run. When you are struggling to score runs (and who isn’t in the playoffs) you need to take a chance to move the runners.
CC is not the one I am worried about. I feel like if he doesn’t pitch 8 innings and give up a max of 2 runs then things will really start to get dicey.
You can’t have your number 3 hitter be an automatic out when the bottom 3 of your lineup is like putting 3 pitchers out there to hit
As mind-boggling as the Aceves move was, it’s probably a moot point. The reason being, even if the Yankees score the next inning, DRob would have been taken out (the Yankees aren’t ready to stretch him out to two innings) and Aceves would have had to pitch anyway.
It was still annoying, though.
How bout you retitle the post “defending the indefensible.” Even if you ignore the fact that Robertson has been the best arm in the bullpen right now next to Mariano and Hughes… and even if you ignore the fact that Robertson looked great today… and even if you ignore the fact that Al Aceves hasn’t looked good lately… Giradi’s decision is indefensible because he was either counting on Aceves to make at least six outs or for Gaudin to close the game. Totally indefensible.
taking damon out for hairston was not a bad move. they were deperate.
the bad decision was robertson that was it, it had no logic and giradi’s reponse to questioning really shows he knew it was a joke…
marte and coke i guess just shows they both stink and they both are really lefty specialist and he trusts neither of them….why does he trust joba? what has he proven to have thsi trust? if you base trust on shrugging off the catchers pitch selection then joba is the best in sports……joba is a dope………..
Erica: I will be there tomorrow. If things go badly, perhaps I’ll stay away on Thursday.
All that has to be done is for a pitch chart to be looked at. Today’s game alone, they got at least 15 more balls called strikes than we did. That is a lot.
Oh, how terrible for you guys. To have such an incompetent manager must just be killing you guys. I can’t believe that Girardi’s the only manager to ever make a mistake in the postseason. Of all the luck, Yankee fans had to draw this particular manager.
Poor things have to face an elimination game tomorrow. What? The Yankees are up 2-1 in the series? That can’t be, people are saying it’s over. That Girardi can’t manage to save his life.
He made a mistake, get over it, guys. If people hit with RISP. If Andy doesn’t hang one to Vladi, we’re not even talking about who’s at the end of the bench. Lots of lost opportunities here, not just Hairston striking out to end the inning.
And Damon, how about you back up your manager? Keep yer trap shut sometimes. Jesus Christ. He stuck with you when you were playing like dog crap, and this is how you have his back? Jeez.
Erica – always OPPC
October 19th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Nick-
You are not going back tomorrow. I have banned you from that Stadium
Erica, you are tough. I thought Nick would just have to promise to shower and not beat his thunder stick blue.
Joe Torre is jsut as dumb as Girardi. Not bringing in your closer in this big situation. Reminds me of Game 5 2004 ALCS.
CR9, I don’t know. To be honest with you, I’d be ALL for replacing HP umpires with the automated pitch tracking system and having 0% error. Problem is, a lot of people don’t agree with that.
I always saw it as if technology gives a system that is always right, why leave the inconsistency/error in there to tamper with the results?
Anyway, it doesn’t look like that is ever going to happen. Again, I think it should, but it won’t. That means that we have to deal with it, unfortunately. Not sure what else there is to do, so I don’t really look at it. I think it’s too hard to actually tell if the bad calls even out or not.
Girardi is just like Torre with his obsession with the veteran Aceves. Robertson is much better than him there was no reason to take him out. He also needs to stop coming out to the mound during an at bat, before the at bat fine not during. You think Posada doesn’t know to throw pitches in the dirt to Vlad? Yeah Andy just missed terribly.
sorry- just, lol.
Erica – always OPPC October 19th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
NYY626
October 19th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
I’m pulling for the Dodgers. I really want no part of playing Torre and Mattingly, but the Phillies fans were just so obnoxious tonight at the bar that I can’t cheer for them. At least for tonight’s game anyway.
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They were really obnoxious in AC too. And they were all rooting for the Angels
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Well I guess they’re terrified of us? And here I thought only sox fans could be obnoxious…
I thought it was obvious to every thinking person that Aceves outpitched his ability earlier in the season. Guess not. What Girardi did was indefensible.
Nick in SF in Los Angeles of Irvine
October 19th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Erica: I will be there tomorrow. If things go badly, perhaps I’ll stay away on Thursday.
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Okay, I will allow you one more chance there. But promise me you will shower first
Nick in SF in Los Angeles of Irvine
October 19th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Erica: I will be there tomorrow. If things go badly, perhaps I’ll stay away on Thursday.
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Okay, I will allow you one more chance there. But promise me you will shower first
DFox, I do not mean to be a pain. It sometimes is tough to know if it evens out. But in the postseason, the games have been so lopsided by the HP umpires, it is ridiculous. Others on this board before, including SJ44, have complained of the different strike zones our hitters have. If someone has a pitch chart for tonight’s game or Game 2 of the Twins series, it would be easily seen.
Also, one of the biggest screw ups is the composition of the post-season roster.
Damon should call out his manager. When you make stupid choices like he did in this game he deserves to be called out. Girardi, Cano, Swish, and Melky blew this game.
Nick – I really hope you wore some Yankee gear to the game. And if not, learn from your mistake and correct it tomorrow!
NYY626
October 19th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Well I guess they’re terrified of us? And here I thought only sox fans could be obnoxious…
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Some dude gave me a hard time there because I was wearing red. Even though I was cheering loudly for the Yankees, he accused me of being an Angel fan because of the color of my shirt.
Finally he asked why I was wearing a red shirt if I was a Yankee fan.
My answer- Because I look good in it
swimming and showering are not the same thing.
Crazy Californians. Straighten em out Erica.
I still want to know why Joba is in the circle of trust? Not only the circle of trust but the 7th inning guy. For someone that did nothing all season and hasn’t pitched out of the bullpen for 2 years why is he trusted. How about going with the people that got you here???
Jeremy
October 19th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Damon should call out his manager. When you make stupid choices like he did in this game he deserves to be called out. Girardi, Cano, Swish, and Melky blew this game.
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Someone has to call out the manager, but I’m not sure it should be a player like Damon.
Too bad Steinbrenner isn’t around. He would have ripped Girardi a new a-hole tonight. I hope Cashman talks to Girardi about his bullpen management.
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Oddly enough, Aceves is one of the people that got them there.
DT – OPPC member (blood type – Positive)
October 19th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
swimming and showering are not the same thing.
Crazy Californians. Straighten em out Erica.
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Just wait until Pat M pops up. He will not mistake a pool for a shower again!
What is up with Joba? He was throwing 93-94 mph out of the bullpen. Those people saying he lost his velocity because he is starting that is not true. He was throwing harder as a starter last year. He hasn’t been the same since his arm injury. Hopefully next year he regains his velocity it is kind of similar to what happen with Verlander last year.
And David Robertson is a stud he will be the 8th inning guy next year with Chamberlain and Hughes in the rotation.
Aceves has not been effective since July.
July at the least.
100 pitches
Yeah Torre did the same thing. Always going with the veteran he liked. How many times did we see Tanyon Sturtze in big games and he would give up big homeruns. Girardi does the same with Coke and Aceves. I’m not saying that they stink but they are not the best pitchers in the pen.
CR9
October 19th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Aceves has not been effective since July.
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July is probably right. Aceves has never been the same since he made that start in the second game of the series against Minny right before the ASB
Good night Yankees fans. Let’s win tomorrow.
I will shower as close to game time as I can, but I can’t promise a hapy ending — depending on where I take the shower.
While Swisher is a huge goat, let’s not let Cano and Cabrera off the hook.
I hope Kevin Long plans on going to the DR this off season to teach Cano how to hit with runners on base. It’s borderline ridiculous.
Melky is the same Melky we’ve seen for years. He’ll do something great that makes us all forget how awful he usually is with the bat. He was better this season, but this is the Melky we’re used to seeing again unfortunately.
Swisher, on the other hand, is supposed to have a great eye, yet he’s swinging at balls in the dirt all the time. He’s not working the count. Not swinging at strikes. It’s ridiculous.
The bottom of the lineup looks tight and I don’t know how you’re going to loosen them up the rest of this series as Girardi basically called out Swisher in the postgame for the loss by mentioning the 2 opportunities he failed in with runners on 3rd and 1 out.
The problem is in both situation with Matsui and Posada on base, he has no speed or options to try to make a play. That’s why he can’t hit and run with Cano in those situations.
He also can’t bunt Cano there because a)Cano is supposed to get a hit and b)Cano can’t bunt to save his life.
I’d put Gardner in except tomorrow is Kazmir and Melky has good numbers against him. I doubt Brett is going to do much against a LH.
I think Joe keeps the same lineup. I was trying to think of a way he can break up Matsui and Posada and try to put a better runner in between them, but Cano isn’t capable of moving up in the order as his bad at bats follow him when he’s asked to do more.
Maybe you can bat Swisher higher and hope for good OPB Swisher to show up, but if he doesn’t, it’s a huge mistake dropping Jorge a spot to break up the slow runners.
As for Tex, his at bats are as bad as Swisher’s and he looks like it’s April again with him trying to do to much.
The bottom of the order is a huge problem as Jorge and Matsui are giving them big chances to blow the games open.
Someone has to step up out of Cano, Melky and Swisher. End of story.
SWISHER OUT MELKY OUT THEY SUCK
D-Ron removed inexplicably for Aceves. I scratched my head and told my buddy I thought D-Rob was good for another inning.
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I was waiting for the camera to find Burnett in the dugout for a “WHY? WHY?” demonstration.
Cool that you were there. How annoying are those Halo fans up-close-and-personal?
Oddly enough, Aceves is one of the people that got them there
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I know but I meant Robertson. For some reason Girardi just doesn’t seem to like or trust him. Aceves isn’t a late inning guy, he doesn’t throw hard enough. He also hasn’t been the same since that start against the Twins.
Swisher is just not himself swing at every breaking ball on the ground and Melky just looked overmatched. Cano is not clutch like usually.
This is the exact answers I expected from the two of them
But in reality, would else could they do? Pin a poster that says “I suck, fire me!” on his forehead?
“Girardi is a fool. He has his stupid circle of trust.”
Circle of Trust? Gaudin is the only guy who hasn’t been used so that would make him the only one not in the circle of trust.
Finally he asked why I was wearing a red shirt if I was a Yankee fan.
My answer- Because I look good in it
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LOL. I actually wore a red jacket today. I didn’t want to put it on after the game but there was no way I was going outside without a coat.
I really like red, just not on my baseball team
We need a new CF next year hope that is Ajax cause melky is not a starting CF
Nick in SF in Los Angeles of Irvine
October 19th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
I will shower as close to game time as I can, but I can’t promise a hapy ending — depending on where I take the shower.
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I teetered too close to inappropriate earlier today with you so I will leave the happy ending comment alone. Just shower
Come on guys, stop blaming the HP Umpire. Really? That’s what it’s come down to, that we have to blame the umpire? We weren’t clutch…Girardi overmanaged…We lost. Bummer. It’s our first loss of the post-season. I hope you all didn’t expect to not lose a game. So we lost, we’ll come back tomorrow and get it back. But don’t ever blame the umpires. That’s bush league. We’re Yankees fans, we have a reputation to uphold, that’s something acceptable from Boston fans, but not from us, we’re better than them.
We need to lose this Angel semi-imposter
Hey, you guys in the press have let Girardi get away with murder this year. What’s all this oblique, ultra secretive “we liked the matchup” rationale to which no one follows up?
Well, what about it? Clearly not the lifetime matchups. There isn’t enough info for a representative sampling size. So was it stuff that Aceves has? Did he consider Aceves’ mediocre performance in Game 2 or that he hadn’t pitched Aceves, before Game 2, since October 16th, 13 days eariler.
More importantly, why hasn’t anyone asked why he feels he can’t pitch Joba for a single full inning in any outing? Or feels compelled to run through his entire bullpen in every close post-season game? Or why does Girardi start pulling relievers preemptively before they falter? Upon what “information” does he rely for these decisions? If he relies on some articulable rationale, why did he shun the same rationale during the regular season?
Or why, if Mo was available for only an inning today– why did Girardi waste him in a situation that would have precluded him from returning to save the game an inning later? Or would it have done so? Would that have then precluded Girardi from pitching tomorrow?
Why did Girardi manage the game like the Yankees were DOWN 2-0, instead of up 2-0? Did he realize there’s no off-day tomorrow? DId he consider it might be better to conserve Mo, if he couldn’t use him in a save situation, for tomorrow, a more urgent game and one preceding an off-day?
Why did he use Marte and Coke consecutively and not save a lefty for later innings? Are either of his two lefties capable of getting out more than lefties? And if not, WHY ARE BOTH of these guys on the roster? With Gaudin, 2 single out lefties, and 3 catchers, he effectively confines himself to 5 relievers Joba, Hughes, Mo, Robertson, Aceves?
You mark my words, Girardi keeps managing this way and he will cost the Yankees this Series yet. I see the arrogant fool of last year who antagonized the entire press corps only went into hibernation for the season… HE’S BACK!!! Goody Gum drops.
Melky def is not all that good and his arm is ok
What kind of dumbass can’t spell Girardi correctly?
NYY626
October 19th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
I really like red, just not on my baseball team
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Well said. And may I add, real fans don’t need monkies and thunder sticks
i am dumb
Rich in NJ
October 19th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Also, one of the biggest screw ups is the composition of the post-season roster.
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The “composition of the post season roster” wasn’t an issue in the first five games. Why is it now? Because the Yankees lost? How about because the toilet paper in the clubhouse had the sheets going over the top of the roll instead of under? It makes more sense.
Erica – always OPPC
October 19th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
i am dumb
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Awesome. Now you are banned
Absolutely the dumbest decision I’ve seen in the playoffs in sometime. I still can’t believe it, given that I always thought Girardi was a good manager.
I hate the monkey and the thunder sticks. But I’d only imagine if it were part of the team I were to root for, I would probably enjoy it and participate in it.
…but since I’m not. The hell with them!
Well if Girardi’s circle of trust is so good then why is he going to second rate pitchers in the pen like Marte, Coke, and Aceves instead of the best. Robertson is better than Joba, Marte, Coke, and Aceves.
I hate Christiano Ronaldo. Stupid diving, curly haired cry baby. I’m glad he’s left England.
Who thought they were going to sweep? Who?
Raise your hand, and if you do, you’re lying.
Yes, they had a chance to go for the jugular, and missed it. OK.
The very fact that they didn’t, and went for it and tried to win one to put the Rally Monkey to bed 3-0, tells you that this is a much different team than the Torre teams of 2002-2007.
Credit goes to Joe G completely. Most of us think that they needed 1 of 3 in Anaheim, and if they can’t get that, the Angels deserve to win.
Play the series. And yes, Girardi is going to have to do something about protecting Alex.
How about melky’s rocket from the LCF wall all the way to home plate, via air. Pretty, pretty, pretty impressive.
Jeter has been lying to us all these years. Good starting pitching and defense is not enough to win in the postseason.
We need Good Things Tonight……
Defense has played well
Tex playing inspired 1st base
Mo being Houdini despite his wild pitch to Alex
new thread
I agree the “double LOOGY” thing was bizarre, and may have cost the game.
The rest of it, a wash. It’s baseball. That’s why the series go 7.
Mehdi,
The world of soccer is full of diving cry babies, you can’t just put it on him. Every game I’ve seen these soccer players fell to the floor with an almost, pathetic, attempt at acting out a broken ankle injury.
I had my Yankee cap on the whole game, no worries. And I will tomorrow.
Bodhi, the Angels fans are about as annoying as most home ballpark fans…no one in my vicinity was particularly rude or abusive, so I can’t complain personally.
When you add the thunder stick element, that’s when it got really annoying. And the rally monkee crap…ugh.
I don’t like being in a stadium full of people dressed in red.
And to be fair, with the exception of Rivera, almost every reliever gave up some rockets. The Angels weren’t going to roll over for us.
Let’s see what CC can do tomorrow. Everyone might be in a better mood this time tomorrow.
It’s not a question of thinking they were going to sweep. It’s a matter of this being a very winnable game that was sabotaged by Swisher, Cano, Melky and Tex and by Girardi not giving Robertson the chance to finish the inning.
Aceves hasn’t looked really right for awhile now and perhaps he’s tired. Girardi should know this.
Robertson has fledgling closer stuff and didn’t appear to be laboring.
You can’t blame Girardi for everything. The hitters have to come through.
It’s just rough as this was a game that should have been in the books for us as a win.
If we won tonight what Mariano did tonight would become the stuff of legend. I’m not suggesting we’re going to forget what he did, but we should have won that game.
Taking out robertson is on par with leaving the team on the field with midges or not bunting on schilling girardi deserves to have the uniform right off him for this the team has been winning in spite of him
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What kind of dumbass can’t spell Girardi correctly?
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I see that the irony isn’t lost on you…
From the “Girardi: We liked the match-up better with Aceves” thread:
PittsburghYankeeFan: What Doreen said. You, CB, SJ44, bodhisattva, Rebecca, Doreen and others are telling it oh-so-true.
bohisattva: Thanks for pointing out the hidden costs of having Molina catch AJ in the postseason. As they say, no free rides and no free lunch. And no extra power bat or power reliever on the bench because you have to carry three catchers may not be such minor concern after all. Anyone thinking the Yankees have so much offense that they won’t miss Posada’s bat when AJ starts, or that having Molina’s non-bat using up outs won’t come back to haunt them at the worst possible time might want to meditate on today’s events as a stark example of just how high the cost of doing business based on those assumptions can be. With the offense in a slump, the thought that one of the three hitters in the lineup still hitting and scoring runs will be on the bench for the first six or seven innings of AJ’s next start is not pretty. CC: need ya more than ever, big guy. Go Yanks . . .
And the Phillies are taking care of their business . . .
Hey a clutch hit in the NL game by Rollins, hopefully Swish-Melky-Cano were watching …
DODGERS LOST DOWN 3 GAMES TO 1
“And David Robertson is a stud he will be the 8th inning guy next year with Chamberlain and Hughes in the rotation.”
That’s what I was thinking.
Anyways next year is a long ways off, petite will retire after winning 1 more world series, among other things…
For now, Joba needs to be the long man. He hasn’t been used for a full inning in any of these games. Hughes and Robertson can do 1 inning next few games. Mo can do an inning also. Marte and Coke are good for LH, they are doing pretty satisfactory. We’re covered for a 9 inning game, if it goes into extras, aceves is going to have to be the man, cause it may be too late to get gaudin going.
sadf
petite?
Have some pride, dude.
It`s called overmanaging. And not playing Gardner is foolish. His speed is game changing and he can`t hit any worse than Cano, Swisher, Melky or Tex. He should be in against right handed pitching. Had he been in game 2 as late defence as Joe has often done this year an Angels run would never have scored on a hit to left. The Yanks decide to carry 2 speed guys and Joe uses niether. Might as well have left hinske`s bat on the bench.
I thought our bullpen was supposed to be better than the Angels bullpen, that is all I heard about for weeks….but that hasn’t been the case. I get nervous now when Hughs, Joba, Coke and Aceves comes in. I used to be confident. I really hope we win tonight!
I love the Yankees, Joe you are not Joe Torre That is it.
Actually, Girardi went out to talk to Andy DURING the Vladdy at-bat – wrong move – he had a veteran pitcher out there with a veteran catcher what could he POSSIBLY say – he disrupted the flow there….not to mention the million times he had Andy throwing to first the entire game – ridiculous – CONCENTRATE ON THE BATTER….Joe made several horrible moves and the offense has just been HORRIBLE….these guys need to get the bats going or it won’t matter WHO is on the hill……
Guys come back in off the ledge. They are 5-1 in the post season……
I just seen the line up i like that he put posada be hind a rod