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Back with the Phillies

Chad Jennings
October
26

I spent seven years covering minor leagues baseball in Scranton, and those first four years were spent with the Phillies Triple-A affiliate. I saw Ryan Madson start an all-star game, I saw Chase Utley linger in the minors for far too long, I saw Ryan Howard hit baseballs to previously unreachable places and I saw Shane Victorino make one of the great catches I’ve ever witnessed.

A few thoughts on the Yankees World Series opponents…

• Utley is the only player I covered in Scranton who left no doubt he would be a star in the major leagues. I wondered if Howard might strikeout too much, wondered if Cole Hamels and Joba Chamberlain might have moved too quickly, but there was never a doubt with Utley. As gritty and gutty as Brett Gardner, but with an all-star caliber bat.

• Victorino has been one of my favorite players to watch. Nice combination of power and speed, with an outstanding arm in center field. To me, this is the kind of player the Yankees are hoping Austin Jackson becomes.

• Carlos Ruiz had never caught a day in his life when the Phillies signed him. A scout liked his arm, didn’t like his mobility at second base and decided to sign him as a catcher. It’s now his work behind the plate that has kept him in the Phillies everyday lineup. He does a great job working with pitchers, and he’s had a knack for big hits in big situations.

• The pitching staff is significantly revamped from my days covering the team, but I got to see a little bit of Hamels and quite a bit of Madson. Both lean heavily on their changeups, with Madson adding a funky delivery that seems to make the ball difficult to pickup. Hamels mixes in different changeups that move different ways. It’s a dangerous pitch, and he’s a dangerous pitcher. Cliff Lee is obviously the star of this staff, but Hamels can cause very real problems.

• I only saw J.A. Happ a few times, mostly in spring training. I always thought he could play a role in the major leagues, but I never thought he’d be a Rookie of the Year candidate. I saw him on TV a few times this year and he’s been significantly better than I remember. I especially don’t remember him having such a good breaking ball.

• The Phillies core was built from within, and I’ve always appreciated that. The organization did a great job finding Victorino in the Rule 5, they gave Jayson Werth a chance to become an all-star and they pulled off great trades for Lee and Brad Lidge. The organization did a nice job putting this team together. I still think the Yankees will win this series, but Philadelphia has a dangerous group.

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112 Responses to “Back with the Phillies”

  1. Stultus Magnus

    Peepee Hands October 26th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Great Quote from Torii Hunter:

    “You really have to admire that; How can you hate the Yankees when they play baseball the way it’s supposed to be played?”

    ================

    Hmmmm, a subtle knock on Kazmir and Guerrero…

    ;)

  2. 89

    Nice insight… I love the minor-league/development angle.

    If Austin Jackson peaks as Shane Victorino, I’d be perfectly fine with that.

    Of course, a Torii Hunter ceiling would be preferred.

  3. JoeyA

    I wonder if Pete Abe comes on here and wonders what could have been?

    Jordenson (Jennings – Borden – Thomson 3 headed monster) is making my work day a lot more tolerable. Keep up the great work guys!

  4. Erica - always OPPC

    Excellent insight Chad!

  5. Erica - always OPPC

    53 hours and 20 minutes until Game 1!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. m shirt

    pete would have started the day listing all the reasons why arod wasnt the alcs mvp

  7. KF

    Tricia,

    For my W/S prediction- my heart say’s Yankees in 5 games but my head goes along with Vegas odds and I think it will be 6.
    Final answer= 6

  8. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    “I wonder if Pete Abe comes on here and wonders what could have been?”

    ————

    I hope not.

    Pete has a great work ethic and that means giving all 8 of his new readers his undivided attention as they discuss which Japanese amateur player the Red Sox will poach next.

  9. Erica - always OPPC

    Erin
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
    Erica-Yeah, I think I am going to get that DVD. I’ll let you know if it’s worth it.

    ****

    Thanks. I appreciate it

  10. Laura

    We’ll win in the same fashion that we beat LAA. Win the first two at home, win one at their place and finish them off at the stadium. Works for me!

  11. m shirt

    Hunter: “We battled, but we couldn’t beat that payroll.”

    Hunter 2009 salary: $18,000,000

    Shut up Hunter.

  12. Erica - always OPPC

    Boston Dave – 4 wins til 27
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    I hope not.

    Pete has a great work ethic and that means giving all 8 of his new readers his undivided attention as they discuss which Japanese amateur player the Red Sox will poach next.

    *******

    LOL!!!!

    The irony is that Boston posted Dice K for such a ridiculous amount to block the Yankees. And menawhile, it was the Mets with the second largest bid!

  13. Sal Governale

    “Erica-Yeah, I think I am going to get that DVD. I’ll let you know if it’s worth it.”

    ———–

    wait. what?? Erica’s shower DVD is out?

    how much?

  14. Joel Goods

    The Phillies also haven’t lost a game 1 in the playoffs in the past 2 years (2008 – Brewers, Dodgers, Rays) (2009 – Rockies, Dodgers, _____)

  15. Laura

    “Pete has a great work ethic and that means giving all 8 of his new readers his undivided attention as they discuss which Japanese amateur player the Red Sox will poach next.”

    8? Boston Dave, I think you are being generous. :P

  16. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)

    Erica/Erin

    5 words:
    Emmett Otter’s Jug Band Christmas

  17. Laura

    “The Phillies also haven’t lost a game 1 in the playoffs in the past 2 years (2008 – Brewers, Dodgers, Rays) (2009 – Rockies, Dodgers, _____)”

    Now is as good a time as any for them to start.

  18. Erin

    Boston Dave – 4 wins til 27
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
    “I wonder if Pete Abe comes on here and wonders what could have been?”

    ————

    I hope not.

    Pete has a great work ethic and that means giving all 8 of his new readers his undivided attention as they discuss which Japanese amateur player the Red Sox will poach next.

    ***********
    The sip of water I just took nearly went all over my computer screen, thank you very much!! :D

  19. Noreaster

    OK Boston Dave, I love Pete but that was pretty funny!

  20. Hokiehill

    love the minor league insight, thanks!

  21. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    The Phillies lineup is great but aside from Utley and maybe Rollins, they can’t hit mistake-free pitching.

    They aren’t going to Vladimir a ball or hit a good curveball any more than Abreu, Hunter, Morales, etc. did.

  22. Erica - always OPPC

    Sal Governale
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
    “Erica-Yeah, I think I am going to get that DVD. I’ll let you know if it’s worth it.”

    ———–

    wait. what?? Erica’s shower DVD is out?

    how much?

    ******

    Umm… creepy

  23. m

    Thanks for this. The only Phillie I really follow is Victorino. We’re so proud of him. I’ll be cheering for the Yankees, but expect Victorino to make it tough for us.

  24. Erica - always OPPC

    Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
    Erica/Erin

    5 words:
    Emmett Otter’s Jug Band Christmas
    *****

    Is that supposed to trigger some sort of recognition?

  25. Noreaster

    The Haters up here in the North East are all picking the Phillies. They are kind of like Kruk in that their reasoning doesn’t make any sense, but hey, they are just Haters after all!

  26. Erin

    Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
    Erica/Erin

    5 words:
    Emmett Otter’s Jug Band Christmas

    *************
    You know what, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that. What’s it about?

  27. jaybird

    I hate to say this Chad but has anybody told you that you look just like Kevin Spacey.

  28. GoIrish

    Somehow I dislike Torii Hunter more each time I read a quote from him.

  29. Ed H. (Winner of Guess the Postseason Roster)

    Repost (I have the worst timing!)

    Erica,

    Here’s my GTWSR entry!

    1. Posada
    2. Teixeira
    3. Cano
    4. Jeter
    5. Rodriguez
    6. Damon
    7. Cabrera
    8. Swisher
    9. Matsui
    10. Hinske
    11. Molina
    12. Gardner
    13. Hairston
    14. Sabathia
    15. Burnett
    16. Pettitte
    17. Gaudin
    18. Rivera
    19. Hughes
    20. Chamberlain
    21. Robertson
    22. Coke
    23. Marte
    24. Aceves
    25. Bruney

  30. KF

    # Laura October 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    “The Phillies also haven’t lost a game 1 in the playoffs in the past 2 years (2008 – Brewers, Dodgers, Rays) (2009 – Rockies, Dodgers, _____)”

    Now is as good a time as any for them to start.
    *******
    I like that thought. Phillie haven’t played a team as potent as ours and several of our key players match up very well against Cliff Lee and of course this is what the Yanks came for.

  31. Erica - always OPPC

    jaybird
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
    I hate to say this Chad but has anybody told you that you look just like Kevin Spacey.

    *****

    No, (not sucking up here) but I think Chad is actually better looking. Kevin Spacey has a very cold look to him

  32. MaineYankee

    m
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
    Thanks for this. The only Phillie I really follow is Victorino. We’re so proud of him. I’ll be cheering for the Yankees, but expect Victorino to make it tough for us.

    —————————————————–

    As long as he makes an out every time and makes a few mistakes in the field I’m good with that.

    You know because of the pressure of playing the Yankees.

  33. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    if the Yanks win, how long will it take the John Kruk types at ESPN to bring up the Yankee payroll and offseason spending?

    I hope they at least wait until the day after they win but I wouldn’t count on it.

  34. Erica - always OPPC

    Here’s who is in so far for Guess the World Series Roster

    Submissions today only until 5pm. Remember you do not need to change the current roster if you don’t want to

    Remember to list them out
    1. Derek Jeter
    2. Alex Rodriguez
    3. Johnny Damon

    Players:
    Doreen, Mark in Tampa, KF, Jason R, Patrick, Blackaccord, Fran, ramar, upstate kate, Dave , vin, vader, mick, Ed H

  35. pat

    “If they go with the three-man rotation, does anyone want to see Melky-Molina-AJ at the bottom of the game five order?”

    Melky-AJ-Molina might be a better choice. AJ could bunt over Melky so less of a chance for Molina to run into a double play. :wink:

  36. Laura

    Something else to keep in mind – PHI hasn’t played a real game in over a week. I’m hoping that has them a little bit out of rhythm.

  37. MaineYankee

    Noreaster
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    The Haters up here in the North East are all picking the Phillies. They are kind of like Kruk in that their reasoning doesn’t make any sense, but hey, they are just Haters after all!

    ————————————————-

    I couldn’t bring myself to cheer the RS on in 04 or 07, could you.

  38. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes

    “Pete has a great work ethic and that means giving all 8 of his new readers his undivided attention as they discuss which Japanese amateur player the Red Sox will poach next.”

    PRICELESS!!!

    Hahaha.

  39. Laura

    Erica, you know I never play, but here it goes:

    1. Posada
    2. Teixeira
    3. Cano
    4. Jeter
    5. Rodriguez
    6. Damon
    7. Cabrera
    8. Swisher
    9. Matsui
    10. Hinske
    11. Molina
    12. Gardner
    13. Hairston
    14. Sabathia
    15. Burnett
    16. Pettitte
    17. Gaudin
    18. Rivera
    19. Hughes
    20. Chamberlain
    21. Robertson
    22. Coke
    23. Marte
    24. Aceves
    25. Cervelli

  40. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    considering the Yankees recent propensity for letting the “lesser” players get to them,

    maybe we should be more worried about Pedro Feliz, Carlos Ruiz, Greg Dobbs, and Matt Stairs.

  41. Trevor

    Torii Hunter has yet to meet a microphone he didn’t like.

  42. m shirt

    I’ve seen the “it’s the payroll, stupid” comments in just about every post-ALCS article I’ve read. That said, someone (not it!) needs to compile a list of revenue generated compared to payroll cost and determine a percentage of what owners are actually putting into the team. If every so-called journalist is going to stir that stuff up then they should also include a little perspective & context. Juss sayin’.

  43. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)

    Erica / Erin

    Both of you gals should have your Muppett Lover status revoked!

  44. S.o.S.(formerly for a second 3)

    No not again!! First Pete and now Chad. Chad you sound like a closet phillie fan. This is a Yankee, muppets and nba blog. I dont want to here nice things about phillie players till after #27 is ours.

  45. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    “Melky-AJ-Molina might be a better choice. AJ could bunt over Melky so less of a chance for Molina to run into a double play.”

    —————-

    the more i think about it, unless AJ is only going to pitch at home (game 2 and game 6), the more I think Posada needs to catch AJ.

    Using Molina when there is no DH is rough. Even when Posada isn’t hitting, he generally sees a good amount of pitches per plate appearance.

    It’s going to be especially critical to wear out the Phillies starters in this series.

    Posada and Molina are both double play candidates, but Posada is more likely to draw a walk, get on base, or at least see some extra pitches.

  46. Laura

    This guy talks about using Sabathia out of the pen as the lefty specialist if he doesn’t start 3 of the games. He says that Coke and Marte aren’t reliable enough.

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....ref=sports

  47. The Ghost

    You know all is right in the world on a day when all people are talking about is the Yankee payroll! Happy Days are here again!

  48. Erica - always OPPC

    Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
    Erica / Erin

    Both of you gals should have your Muppett Lover status revoked!

    ****

    Its not necessarily our faults if you are talking old school Muppets

  49. Erin

    Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
    Erica / Erin

    Both of you gals should have your Muppett Lover status revoked!

    **************
    What year did that come out? Was it a movie or a TV special? I’ve heard of it, but never seen it.

    And I will NEVER give up my muppet lover status!!

  50. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    m shirt,

    not a bad idea.

    there really is no excuse. even small market teams are generating hearty profits.

    is it the chicken or the egg? does investing in good players and making a competitive team create a larger fanbase? or does a larger fanbase create the means to get good players?

    I think it’s the former. MLB teams are making money already.

  51. Erica - always OPPC

    Laura
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    This guy talks about using Sabathia out of the pen as the lefty specialist if he doesn’t start 3 of the games. He says that Coke and Marte aren’t reliable enough.

    ****

    I love it. Why don’t we have him start every game and then in the 7th inning he can come out of the pen for a little variety and do his own set up work!

  52. Laura

    “Torii Hunter has yet to meet a microphone he didn’t like.”

    Call me crazy, but Torii doesn’t bother me. The Angels are so boring; he adds a little flavor. Plus, I don’t think he’s really said anything that’s so offensive. Or maybe I’m just blinded by his good looks. He is definitely a member of the baseball hotties club.

  53. Nick in SF in American Canyon

    I wish I knew how to cut/paste on my blackberry…left a long comment to languish at the end of the last thread. :mad:

  54. Erica - always OPPC

    The Ghost
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
    You know all is right in the world on a day when all people are talking about is the Yankee payroll! Happy Days are here again!

    *****

    Thats for sure. If we are back to payroll the critics are out of demons!

    Btw- no homeruns again last night. Yankee Stadium is a crappy bandbox!!!

  55. Erica - always OPPC

    Nick in SF in American Canyon
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    I wish I knew how to cut/paste on my blackberry…left a long comment to languish at the end of the last thread.
    ******

    I’ll rescue it for you Nick! BRB

  56. GreenBeret7

    One of the reasons that Utley “languished” in Scranton for all of those 2 years was because Philadephia had Placido Polanco playing a sterling 2nd base and hitting .295 and 15-17 homers a year after trading Scott Rolen for him and paying him 4 mil a year. Utley wasn’t exactly ripping the cover off of the ball and scooping up everything on the right side of the infield.

  57. MR.OCTOBER

    ERICA-
    1 Posada 10 Hinske 19 Joba
    2 Teixiera 11 Molina 20 Hughes
    3 Cano 12 Hairston 21 Coke
    4 Jeter 13 Gardner 22 Robertson
    5 Arod 14 Pena 23 Marte
    6 Damon 15 CC 24 Aceves
    7 Melkey 16 Burnett 25 MARIANO THE GREAT
    8 Swisher 17 Pettite
    9 Matsui 18 Gaudin

  58. Erica - always OPPC

    FROM NICK!!!

    Nick in SF in American Canyon
    October 26th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
    Posada has already moved to 5th to prevent a repeat of Hairston batting behind Arod late in a game.

    As for the Mo/gamble thing, whatever move Girardi made was going to be a gamble; in that situation it’s all about making the choice with the best expected result.

    And on another point, I for one do not make any assumption at all that Posada will catch AJ the rest of the way. But since having Molina catch AJ would probably mean giving Cervelli a roster spot again, I think it’s likely that the brain trust will be discussing this very issue.

    If they go with the three-man rotation, does anyone want to see Melky-Molina-AJ at the bottom of the game five order?

  59. Joe

    For those who always watch the postgame show, is it me or do you guys also think that Kim Jones sometimes ask some lame, lame questions???? She’s good overall but sometimes she tries too hard

  60. pub

    they’ve come a long way & improved very quickly since the year they traded abreu to the yankees.

  61. pat

    Nick

    Tell me what time it was from and I’ll move it for you.

  62. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    “Call me crazy, but Torii doesn’t bother me. The Angels are so boring; he adds a little flavor. Plus, I don’t think he’s really said anything that’s so offensive.”

    ————-

    I like Torii. He seems like a true competitor who happens to speak his mind. I agree that I’ve never heard him say anything over the top or offensive.

    He gives everything he has on the field too. I’d love to have him on our side (maybe at a discount :) ).

    If for nothing else, he could become Laura’s PBF.

  63. Nick in SF in American Canyon

    Thank you, Erica. And thank you too, pat.

  64. MR.OCTOBER

    THE GHOST AND ERICA
    You know its a good day when MET fans are lined up along all the local bridges ready to jump.

  65. Erica - always OPPC

    MR.OCTOBER
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
    THE GHOST AND ERICA
    You know its a good day when MET fans are lined up along all the local bridges ready to jump.

    *****

    One Mets fan friend referred to this as “Doomsday Scenario” in his facebook status

  66. GreenBeret7

    Emmet Otter’s Jugband Christmas.

    There’s a ton of other clips to the right.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV0SbkrG44Y

  67. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    GB7,

    Seems odd to say that Chase Utley was held back by the player that ultimately netted the Phils Ugueth Urbina from the Tigers.

    Urbina > Utley :)

  68. Erin

    GreenBeret7
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
    Emmet Otter’s Jugband Christmas.

    There’s a ton of other clips to the right.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV0SbkrG44Y

    *************
    Thank you!! :)

  69. Laura

    “If for nothing else, he could become Laura’s PBF.”

    Unfortunately, there’s no room on my PBF dance card. Mr. Nick Markakis is occupying the top spot.

    :)

  70. MaineYankee

    Erica

    I think if they had a show called the ultimate multi-tasker you might be in the running. :lol:

  71. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    while conceptually I do love Emmett Otters Jugband Christmas, I tried to watch it last year with a 2 year old and we both had to turn it off after 20 minutes.

    perhaps filming a remake would do the trick? Pedroia’s free for 6 months…

  72. MR.OCTOBER

    ERICA
    Its great!! Met fans HATE the Yankees while Yankee fans dont really care about the MEts In some cases such as my own I at time forget the Mets even exist.

  73. MaineYankee

    Boston Dave

    The thing I’ve heard from Hunter that bothers me the most is even from when he was with the Twins was his complaints about the Yankee payroll.

  74. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    “Unfortunately, there’s no room on my PBF dance card. Mr. Nick Markakis is occupying the top spot.”

    ————-

    fair enough. I would welcome him on the Yanks too :)

    though by the time he’s a free agent (2015-16) the Orioles might actually be good.

  75. Erica - always OPPC

    MaineYankee
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
    Erica

    I think if they had a show called the ultimate multi-tasker you might be in the running.
    ****

    I have zero attention span. I have always been this way. I seriously cannot do one thing at a time.

    When I clean my apartment I walk around in circles, because I will go to put one thing away and get distracted by another en route. So I just gave up cleaning :-)

  76. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    “Boston Dave

    The thing I’ve heard from Hunter that bothers me the most is even from when he was with the Twins was his complaints about the Yankee payroll.”

    ———–

    didn’t hear that but I don’t like that either.

    I’m willing to cut him some slack because the Twins owner is another billionaire who runs the team as a business and maximizing profits trumps winning games. That has to be frustrating as a player to lose every year in part because the other team’s owners care more about winning than yours does.

  77. Seven

    Dumbest thing I heard this mourning I was listening to 610wip and Mitch Williams came on. He said that the phillies have the advantage over yankees at every position except for third base.

    He said that Ruiz is better than Posada LOL. He also said Rollins is better than Jeter. Jeter has=d a much better year than Rollins and is a hall of fame player Rollins should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Jeter.

    Mitch Williams is a moron

  78. NYYanksFan

    With 2 good postseason series, A-Rod’s postseason numbers now exceed his career numbers for BA, OBP and OPS.

  79. KF

    Nick,
    Teach a man to fish…..

    on the BB, hit the BB button the select mode, use the trac ball to highlight then BB key again copy, go to where you want and paste.

  80. Erica - always OPPC

    MR.OCTOBER
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
    ERICA
    Its great!! Met fans HATE the Yankees while Yankee fans dont really care about the MEts In some cases such as my own I at time forget the Mets even exist.

    ****

    Here’s the thing:

    Yankees fans do not dislike the Mets. They dislike Mets fans. Mets fans gloat and become extremely obnoxious when their team is playing well. Probably because it is a rare occurance.

    Yankee fans never gloat. Yankee excellence is expected so gloating would be indignified. Instead we complain when the slightest thing goes wrong because it deters our quest for excellence.

    Mets fans are very resentful of this. They know they root for the inferior team. Therefore, they hate the Yankees and Yankees fans

  81. m

    I was going to post something nice about Torii Hunter after reading his “How can you hate the Yankees, they play the game right” comment. Something held me back, maybe waiting for the other cleat to drop?

    Torii’s a good guy, does a lot of good things off the field, but that comment about “we battled, but we couldn’t beat their payroll” is so typical of him. Broken record.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4595580

  82. Wave Your Hat

    “If they go with the three-man rotation, does anyone want to see Melky-Molina-AJ at the bottom of the game five order?”

    Other than possibly Joe Girardi, you mean?

  83. GreenBeret7

    Boston Dave – 4 wins til 27
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
    GB7,

    Seems odd to say that Chase Utley was held back by the player that ultimately netted the Phils Ugueth Urbina from the Tigers.

    Urbina > Utley

    ————————————————————

    True, but it would have been tough to bench a guy that you just traded Rolen for. Polanco is and was back then a fine 2nd baseman. Utley has proven to be better after a couple of years, though. He’s a Hell of a player, but, Cano is catching up to him. Utley does steal bases, though…outstanding base runner without he blessed with blazing speed….a base runner like O’Neill was.

  84. sabes

    Hey, PeteAbe, enough with the “gritty and gutty” already! What? PeteAbe isn’t around anymore? Shoot, could have fooled me…

  85. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    C: Posada vs Ruiz – Yanks

    1b: Tex vs Howard – Tie (though Tex needs to play like he can or it’s Phils)

    2b: Cano vs Utley – Tie (unless Utley returns to form)

    ss: Jeter vs Rollins – Yanks (no doubt about it until proven otherwise)

    3b: ARod vs Feliz – Yanks in a landslide

    RF: Swisher vs Werth – Phils

    CF: Leche vs Victorino – Phils

    LF: Damon vs Ibanez – call me crazy but I’d honestly say tie

    it’s definitely close.

    that’s why the series comes down to pitching. we know the Yanks bullpen is much better on paper.

    so unless the Phils starting pitching is decidedly better than NY, advantage Yanks.

  86. mick

    Erica

    Your description of Mets fans is spot on.

    When you look up the definition of a Mets fan in the dictionary, you see”immaturity” and “jealousy” as key words.

  87. MaineYankee

    Erica – always OPPC
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    MR.OCTOBER
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
    ERICA
    Its great!! Met fans HATE the Yankees while Yankee fans dont really care about the MEts In some cases such as my own I at time forget the Mets even exist.

    ****

    Here’s the thing:

    Yankees fans do not dislike the Mets. They dislike Mets fans. Mets fans gloat and become extremely obnoxious when their team is playing well. Probably because it is a rare occurance.

    Yankee fans never gloat. Yankee excellence is expected so gloating would be indignified. Instead we complain when the slightest thing goes wrong because it deters our quest for excellence.

    Mets fans are very resentful of this. They know they root for the inferior team. Therefore, they hate the Yankees and Yankees fans

    —————————————————

    Sounds like some fans I know around here. :lol:

    And they aren’t Met fans.

  88. pat

    “The thing I’ve heard from Hunter that bothers me the most is even from when he was with the Twins was his complaints about the Yankee payroll.”

    except in his free agent year when he was praising the Yankees left and right until they showed no interest. Then the payroll theme returned. He’s Schilling!

  89. GreenBeret7

    without ***being*** blessed

  90. mick

    m

    correct about hunter and one of the reasons the yanks had no interest in him when he was a FA.

  91. Mark in Tampa

    “He said that the phillies have the advantage over yankees at every position except for third base.”

    If you are a Phillies fan, you could make the case that you are better at every position except third base and catcher. You would be wrong thinking Rollins is better than Jeter, but you could make the case.

    If you are a Yankee fan, you could make the case that the Yanks are better at every position except right field, and maybe center.

    But there are legit arguments just about everywhere. It is going to be a very tight series, probably decided by mistakes and decisions.

    However, if CC doesn’t pitch well, I think the Yankees still have a chance; if Cliff Lee gets knocked around, it’s lights out for the Phillies.

  92. Erica - always OPPC

    MaineYankee
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Sounds like some fans I know around here.

    And they aren’t Met fans.

    ********

    That wasn’t some sort of backhanded dig back at me was it????

  93. Noreaster

    Erica
    “Yankee fans never gloat.”
    **********************************

    Erica, a slight correction. After listening to the Sox fans up here, I going to gloat big time after the Yanks win this year!

  94. Frank from Chatham, NJ

    New Thread

    =========>

  95. Bronx Bombers Girl

    Good Afternoon All…

    Like everyone else, I have been on cloud 9 all day after last night’s win. Nothing better than being with family (all Yankee fans) eating @ restaurant, running to restaurant bar for updates @ beginning of the game, listening to Sterling on the ride home and catching the last 3 innings @ home. It has been a busy day so far so I have only been able to skim thru the comments for now but love all the insight everyone has been discussing. :)

    Will definitely come back on later to catch up and read more in depth.

    Erica – always OPPC here is my GTWSR (Thanks again 4 doing these…it is fun!) :)

    1. Derek Jeter
    2. Johnny Damon
    3. Mark Teixeira
    4. Alex Rodriguez
    5. Jorge Posada
    6. Hideki Matsui
    7. Robinson Cano
    8. Nick Swisher
    9. Melky Cabrera
    10. CC Sabathia
    11. AJ Burnett
    12. Andy Pettite
    13. Chad Gaudin
    14. Jose Molina
    15. Francisco Cervelli
    16. Brett Gardner
    17. Jerry Hairston Jr.
    18. Eric Hinske
    19. Mariano Rivera
    20. Alfredo Aceves
    21. Joba Chamberlain
    22. Phil Coke
    23. Phil Hughes
    24. Damaso Marte
    25. David Robertson

    Thank you Erica! :)

    P.S. As a small sidebar, I also like Ramiro Pena. I know that he is young but there is something about the kid that I think will benefit our boys. Granted he is still wet behing the ears but I like that he is a switch hitter, had a .317 OBP, 33 hits, 10 RBI’s.

  96. GreenBeret7

    Erica – always OPPC
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    MR.OCTOBER
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
    ERICA
    Its great!! Met fans HATE the Yankees while Yankee fans dont really care about the MEts In some cases such as my own I at time forget the Mets even exist.

    ****

    Here’s the thing:

    Yankees fans do not dislike the Mets. They dislike Mets fans. Mets fans gloat and become extremely obnoxious when their team is playing well. Probably because it is a rare occurance.

    Yankee fans never gloat. Yankee excellence is expected so gloating would be ***indignified***. Instead we complain when the slightest thing goes wrong because it deters our quest for excellence.

    Mets fans are very resentful of this. They know they root for the inferior team. Therefore, they hate the Yankees and Yankees fans

    ————————————————————

    would be ***indignified***.

    I swear to God, people that I’ve never net Erica and couldn’t possibly have taught her the GreenBeret7 way of spelling.

  97. MaineYankee

    Boston Dave

    I’m now hearing the Phils have a better BP.

    Because Phil and Joba struggled and the Phils weren’t as bad against the Dodgers is the reasoning.

    To many predictions are made based on small sample size sometimes.

  98. Boston Dave - 4 wins til 27

    GB7,

    Oh I know. Though, I think they originally brought Polanco in to replace Rolen at 3rd base.

    So theoretically it shouldn’t have been the sole reason for Utley remaining in the minors.

    His minor league #s look pretty good so I still wonder why they couldn’t make an adjustment to bring up a top prospect before he was 25.

    The Phillies had no shot at the division with the Braves in the way but i guess they weren’t too far from the wildcard back then.

  99. mick

    With CC and Andy going at least 4 times, why wouldn’t we win the Series?

    They will neutralize their lefties. As for Lee and Hamels, we have 4 switch hitters in our lineup. How many do they have?

  100. Erica - always OPPC

    new thread :arrow:

  101. GreenBeret7

    people that I’ve never ***net*** Erica

    Not only never used a net on her, but, never met her, either.

  102. MaineYankee

    Erica – always OPPC
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
    MaineYankee
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Sounds like some fans I know around here.

    And they aren’t Met fans.

    ********

    That wasn’t some sort of backhanded dig back at me was it????

    —————————————————-

    Here=Maine

    I didn’t know I made a habit of dissing you. Tease yes.

  103. GreenBeret7

    Boston Dave – 4 wins til 27
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
    GB7,

    Oh I know. Though, I think they originally brought Polanco in to replace Rolen at 3rd base.

    So theoretically it shouldn’t have been the sole reason for Utley remaining in the minors.

    His minor league #s look pretty good so I still wonder why they couldn’t make an adjustment to bring up a top prospect before he was 25.

    The Phillies had no shot at the division with the Braves in the way but i guess they weren’t too far from the wildcard back then.

    ————————————————————

    I think that as much as anything, it was his defense. 28 is a lot of errors for a 2nd baseman with a FPct of .918.

  104. Erica - always OPPC

    MaineYankee-

    Just checking. I thought you meant here=Lohud

    since you responded to my post, I got oversensitive!

  105. MaineYankee

    Erica – always OPPC
    October 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
    MaineYankee-

    Just checking. I thought you meant here=Lohud

    since you responded to my post, I got oversensitive!

    ——————————————

    I respond to you quite often and not in a bad way I thought.

  106. Jeremy

    Mitch Williams and Kruk are former Phillies. They are nothing but homers for the Phillies. So you know they are going to BS and kiss up to the Phillies.

  107. Boogie Down

    I don’t know whether I want Pedro to pitch at the stadium, so that he can be abused by the crowd, or on the road where we can throw at him when he hits?

  108. Comet

    I’ve seen and heard Erica’s Shower DVD. It’s boring. A closed door and the sound of water running is pretty much it. Of course in the background you can hear bits and pieces of cheering crowds as the Yankees rally in the playoffs.

  109. NYY in Delco

    I now live in the suburbs of Philly, so I’ve obviously been hearing lots of comments. This morning a lot of them seemed to be related to the Yankee payroll. I pointed out to these Phanatics that their payroll was double that of the Rays last year so maybe they should return the trophy. Needless to say, they weren’t very pleased with me.

  110. champ809

    yeah the prob with Utley was his glove he was considered a poor defender

  111. Zudok

    The Phillies payroll was much greater than the Rays because the players were older and more established, not because they were brought in as free agents. Sorry, but you’re going to hear about the payroll.

  112. Tom

    I just want to point out how COLOSSAL game 1 is. Let’s be honest. As Yanks fans we’ve come to expect a W from Sabathia. He has been lights out. The Phillies are the same with Cliff Lee. Game 1 sets such a HUGE TONE for this series. Think about if we lose game 1 at home with Sabathia.

    It’d be 0-1 and it’s Burnett versus Pedro. Pedro is a total wildcard and has had some bad memories in the Bronx. However, Burnett got hit pretty hard against the Phillies earlier this season. Then we’d get Hamels in Game 3 versus Pettitte. Pettitte has been extremely good this postseason, but Hamels has a fantastic track record, even with a subpar 2009 by his standards.

    This Phillies team is MUCH better offensively than either team we’ve faced in the playoffs and maybe better than any we could expect to face. Howard and Utley are tremendous. Werth had a great year, and they are deep.

    I STILL say Yanks in 6 or 7 only because of Rivera compared to Lidge/Madson and the home field advantange…thank you Bud Selig and the rest of the AL! Also, check out some awesome Yankees Memorabilia from my client, Steiner Sports. It’s some great stuff as we head back to the World Series.

    It’ll be fun to watch. I expect a great series.

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