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Melky could be replaced

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Nov 02, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just spoke to Brian Cashman, who said the Yankees doctors will be evaluating Melky Cabrera in the coming hours to determine the extent of Cabrera’s injury. It’s believed Cabrera could have suffered a full hamstring tear during Game 4, and according to MLB rules, the Yankees are allowed to petition for a roster change if they believe Cabrera won’t be able to play for the rest of the series. The player added would be “someone with the team here,” Cashman said, though he wouldn’t speculate on names.

That would seem to limit it to Francisco Cervelli, Freddy Guzman, Ramiro Pena and Sergio Mitre. If Brett Gardner starts, which is most likely, than Guzman could be added as the pinch-runner off the bench, though you could certainly make a case for Pena or, particularly tonight with Molina likely to start, Cervelli. We’ll update as we know more.

UPDATE, 12:30 p.m.: Chad here. I just checked with Gardner, but he hasn’t heard anything about Cabrera or about playing center field tonight. “Don’t know anything,” he said.

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440 Responses to “Melky could be replaced”

  1. RR November 2nd, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Let us take Pena. No Guzman please

  2. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) November 2nd, 2009 at 11:12 am

    People also tend to forget that this is AJ’s first year on the big stage. How many free agents have come to NY and just crapped the bed in their first year?

    While AJ has been disappointing at times, he has also been the best pitcher on the staff at other times. All in all given his regular season and his very good performance in the playoffs thus far this has been a plus year for AJ.

  3. lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) November 2nd, 2009 at 11:17 am

    I agree with other people that Cano needs to get it going tonight. With Posada and Matsui out of the lineup he is going to be counted on tonight.

    Also while Tex’s overall numbers in the playoffs are pretty bad he has had some HUGE hits. HR against Minn, 3 run double in LA, and the HR off Pedro. Those were all potentially series changing hits. While it would be nice if his numbers were better, I will take quality over quantity every time.

  4. cor shep November 2nd, 2009 at 11:17 am

    PR – tell me, what would we gain from having Pena? Hairston is a utility fielder as he can hit a little, and its not like there’s any defensive blackholes in the infield. Also, Guzman > Pena in terms of speed. Pena over Guzman mankes no sense at all. Since you lose Gardner since he’ll be in CF, you have to bring a pinch runner on the team.

  5. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Andrew
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:09 am
    “Btw- where were you all weekend? Your absense cost you the GTLU lead. There are now 4 players with 6 wins and you are not one of them”

    Erica a couple of things: after I participated in GTLU before Game 1 and the team got beat I was a little disheartened, as even during the ALCS, I felt like when I was either away from the computer or forgot to submit my lineup for GTLU the Yankees ended up winning.

    This is pointless superstition because I think I participated in advance of Game 2 and they won…but at this point, I am still feeling too superstitious to submit a lineup. They went 2-0 this weekend when I abstained from GTLU. I have to keep it going until they get that 4th win.

    *************

    I admire your selflessness in the face of Yankee-fandom. I know how much you enjoy GTLU. So this is truly an admirable act

  6. zmaster! November 2nd, 2009 at 11:18 am

    I hope its Pena

  7. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Cervelli makes more sense than Pena.

  8. cor shep November 2nd, 2009 at 11:19 am

    lets go yankees – I agree with both posts.

    Burnett had impressed me a lot. He’s a adrenaline junky who feeds off big games. I still don’t know if I like 5 years of this guy, but a great first year no doubt.

    And Tex even said it, quality > quantity. I’ll take a .200 average with 3-4 HUGE hits over .300 with a bunch of singles any day of the week.

  9. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 11:21 am

    who cares about a pinch runner? they have been irrelevant all postseason. they havent stolen when they got in. the kicked was when alex was replaces with guzman, and guzman didnt even attempt to steal.

    Cervelli has speed and he is a third catcher.

  10. Wave Your Hat November 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 am

    I’d go for Guzman. If Gardner has to start, it might be useful to have a pinch runner for Matsui or Posada. Can’t really see a huge need for the third catcher, another reliever or a second utility infielder.

  11. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Pena is much more versatile than Guzman. Guzman’s speed advantage might be amplified by the fact that he can’t do much else.

  12. ArtieA November 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 am

    I think Gusman, let’s face it with melk out you need another outfielder. pena can’t really play the outfield although i know they triesd him in the minors. i think the issue will be do you stand pat with gardner on centerfield, or use Hinske in right to get more pop, swisher in left and johnny in center again.

  13. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 am

    I would place money on Guzman

    Nick in SF- odds?

  14. jaybird November 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Look at tonights expected lineup, for that reason alone he should start Gaudin.

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod SS
    Cano 2B
    Swish RF
    Gardner CF
    Molina C
    AJ P

    Cano in the 5 hole.
    I think I just threw up in my mouth.
    You’re wasting AJ! Bring him back on full rest Game 6.
    End of story.

  15. 27 November 2nd, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Thats a bummer for Melky, and for us. But I think we can get by with Gardner for a few.

  16. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:23 am

    BTW- Poor Melky :-(

  17. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 11:23 am

    “Perhaps if you had something substantial to add, it would take away from the apparent emotion in your choice.”

    I have several substantial things to add to the conversation but they have been covered by other posters on this blog. The simple truth is, you are unreceptive to logical and well thought out arguments. You tend to ignore things that don’t agree with your view of the team.

    Any emotion you think you see in my posts is simply frustration at your stubbornness.

    The fact of the matter is, it doesn’t matter who A.J. Burnett pitches to. We’ve seen him pitch good games to both Posada and Molina and we’ve seen him pitch bad games to both catchers as well. When you realize this fact, the choice between both guys is really simple. Posada is the better hitter, he should start every game. Especially tonight with a short lineup and with Swisher/Cano in dreadful slumps.

    Posada must start tonight.

  18. Ross November 2nd, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Decisions, decisions………

    Pena is relatively quick on the basepath, and has superior hands….go with Ramiro.

  19. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Swish will be 5th and cano 6th.

    i did like the idea of aj 8th and gardner 9th before the top of the lineup.

  20. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Nobody loves Johnny Damon more than me, but even I am not delusional enough to think he should be in CF. Please leave him in LF and let Gardner play CF

  21. AMS223 November 2nd, 2009 at 11:24 am

    I would take Cervelli just based on tonights game. If we have molina catching and pinch hit with Jorge and its a close game and we need a run we would be able to pinch run for Jorge and still have a catcher.

  22. cor shep November 2nd, 2009 at 11:25 am

    Oh yea, I def agree with Cervelli, just saying it would be dumb to bring in Pena.

    Cervelli (small gap) Guzman (big gap) Pena (Infiniti gap) Mitre

  23. Erin November 2nd, 2009 at 11:25 am

    I feel horrible for Melky. :( Hopefully it’s not as bad as they think it is.

  24. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 am

    There is a comfort right now with Molina. Sure he pitched well to Posada 4 months ago. right now, molina knows what to expect and how to pace him. Posada will be in the game later, matsui will get his AB, and we will win this game 4-1.

  25. Blackaccord November 2nd, 2009 at 11:27 am

    How about getting Mitre in for that game 6 start :)

  26. minnesota yankee fan November 2nd, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Get well Melky!

  27. KF November 2nd, 2009 at 11:28 am

    “Posada is the better hitter, he should start every game”

    Girardi is the Mgr and he hasn’t agreed.

    There is an argument on both sides but Girardi’s vote trumps all other here.

  28. yanksfan42 November 2nd, 2009 at 11:29 am

    any one of those players EXCEPT GUZMAN. if he tries to pull this guzman stuff again i’m really going to be mad.

  29. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! November 2nd, 2009 at 11:29 am

    “Watch Burnett’s start vs the Angels in game 5 and tell me he is more comfortable with Molina.”

    Patrick, some of the best reads on AJ’s start in LA were Randy’s. He could do a much better job of talking about what was happening with Burnett and about the adjustments he needed to make (which he appeared to do after the first inning). Then read AJ’s take on what he did wrong.

    I think Randy has basically stated that at this point, the comfort level between the two is what keeps you from making any changes. Then at least think about all the balls that AJ throws in the dirt and the fact that Molina does block them better – maybe because he is just more used to having to do it with AJ. With Lee on the mound, I just think you have to maximize AJ’s chances on keeping runners off the bases. If it was someone other than Lee, I would still be nervous about changing at this point but I could understand that the Yankees would have enough of a chance to score runs that maybe you take the chance.

    AJ on the road with Lee, I just think you have to start that game off with Molina.

    Thankfully, the Yanks are up 3-1, so no matter what happens they live to see another day.

  30. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 11:30 am

    I have mad respect for the melkman. he played hard all year, took the job from gardner, and brought the intensity all year. When we win this year, i have no problem looking at him in the outfield again next year. Give him confidence and a full year and he will get better next year too…

  31. yanksfan42 November 2nd, 2009 at 11:30 am

    to me it’s not an issue with comfort–it’s an issue that burnett needs more defense. wild pitches as balls in the dirt… you need molina behind the plate defensively. it’s not about psychology.

  32. Blackaccord November 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I think Molina frames pitches better than Posada.. Credit Molina for a few curveball strikeouts in game 2 against the lefties…

  33. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 am

    “Girardi is the Mgr and he hasn’t agreed.

    There is an argument on both sides but Girardi’s vote trumps all other here.”

    Wow really? I thought this was a democracy and that all of our votes count!

    I know Girardi makes the decision, I’m saying that I think he’s wrong. I hope he proves me wrong and starts Posada tonight. If he doesn’t our 5-9 hitters will basically be automatic outs.

  34. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am

    I also think Pena because a double switch might be more necessary than a pinch runner. Considering our weakest runner is Molina, he’s more likely to be pinch hit for first. But maybe then they’d want Guzman to run for someone like Matsui.

  35. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am

    Know what the best part of Burnett pitching tonight is????

    We will never have the Molina/Posada debate again!!!!!!!!!!
    (Maybe, next season- but still…… YAY!!!!!!!!)

  36. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Blackaccord November 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I think Molina frames pitches better than Posada.. Credit Molina for a few curveball strikeouts in game 2 against the lefties…

    Credit him for that game-changing pickoff at first.

  37. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Garnder in CF-

    You may finally win GTLU today when you put Gardner in CF :-)

  38. YankWatcher November 2nd, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Yea, Posada is the better hitter, but look at last night — one error and another instance where he couldn’t get the ball cleanly out of his glove to try to throw out Rollins stealing second.

    Base runners can pretty much steal at will against Posada. He is mediocre at best behind the plate. I am hoping next year he is transitioned to a DH role and Cervelli (not much power but batting average .291 this year) is given a chance.

  39. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Geez poor Melky. Why on earth didn’t he slide last night?

  40. MR.OCTOBER November 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 am

    If Melky is out I must say the kid put together a really nice season and he should be proud of himself. He held his own in the batters box as well as played a great centerfield all year. He ran hard down the line at all times and played with a flare that the Yankees needed. He made catches in the outfield and had the look in his eyes “I dare you to run.” Not to mention he came up with big hit after big hit throughout the season. He faced much criticism in the beginning of the year but emerged. I think people forget he is only 25 years old and his best years are still ahead of him. Keep up the hard work Melky it pays off. Good job.

  41. sab November 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 am

    i agree with jaybird…starting AJ tonight is not a good idea for SO many reasons:

    1)Cliff Lee will probably throw another shutout

    2) AJ pitches better at Yankee Stadium

    3) AJ would be pitching on 5 days rest on tuesday with Andy (and possibly CC for 3 innings) fresh and ready to go on full days rest in case he’s needed for game #7…in case they lose game #5 tonight

    4) if AJ pitches tonight ROBINSON CANO would be batting 5th – and our 7-8-9 hitters (molina, gardner, AJ) would be at the very least 9 automatic outs – throw in cano’s 0-4 and we’re talking about 5 innings of offensive ineptitude, thats a recipe for disaster..or even worse if you bat swisher 5th then our 6-7-8-9 hitters would be a black hole that would guarantee 5 innings of complete zero’s…

    sometimes you need to lose the battle to win the war….

  42. KF November 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Patrick,

    Under the circumstance I prefer the AJ/Molina pairing. If Girardi starts Posada I can live with that. I think Girardi’s done an excellent job managing this team.

    Our 5-9 hitters just need to step up, that’s why they’re playing. It’s a team game and we need everyone to participate.

  43. Erin November 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Erica – always OPPC
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am
    Know what the best part of Burnett pitching tonight is????

    We will never have the Molina/Posada debate again!!!!!!!!!!

    *********************
    That sounds too good to be true ;)

  44. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Geez poor Melky. Why on earth didn’t he slide last night?

    ___

    that’s not when he got hurt. he got hurt running to first.

  45. Mr. Exceptional November 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 am

    You have to think beyond just tonight’s game if you’re talking replacement.

    With that in mind Guzman is the only one that makes sense. Molina won’t catch again after this game unless there’s an emergency. Guzman replaces Gardner as pinch runner (and he can play outfield).

    Cervelli would only work for tonight, beyond that it would waste the roster spot. You can’t assume they’re going to win, you have to be prepared if they don’t.

  46. Ed - slacking in class now November 2nd, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Erica, Molina might not even be back at all since Cervelli pretty much emerged as next year’s backup catcher. but then again, who knows what Cashman want to do this offseason.

  47. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Erica – always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Garnder in CF-

    You may finally win GTLU today when you put Gardner in CF :-)

    I’m thinking about putting Gardner batting 9th after Burnett. My earlier post explains why. Also late in the game, barring any double-switches, you would have Posada 9in for Molina) and Hinske or Matsui (whoever pinch-hits for Burnett) batting in front of Garnder. Then the top of the lineup.

  48. sab November 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 am

    sab
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 am
    i agree with jaybird…starting AJ tonight is not a good idea for SO many reasons:

    1)Cliff Lee will probably throw another shutout

    2) AJ pitches better at Yankee Stadium

    3) AJ would be pitching on 5 days rest on tuesday with Andy (and possibly CC for 3 innings) fresh and ready to go on full days rest in case he’s needed for game #7…in case they lose game #5 tonight

    4) if AJ pitches tonight ROBINSON CANO would be batting 5th – and our 7-8-9 hitters (molina, gardner, AJ) would be at the very least 9 automatic outs – throw in cano’s 0-4 and we’re talking about 5 innings of offensive ineptitude, thats a recipe for disaster..or even worse if you bat swisher 5th then our 6-7-8-9 hitters would be a black hole that would guarantee 5 innings of complete zero’s…

    sometimes you need to lose the battle to win the war….
    ==========================================================
    sorry Aj would be pitching on 5 days rest on wednesday…

  49. bon November 2nd, 2009 at 11:41 am

    this is why both leagues should have the DH !

  50. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Erica – always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Nobody loves Johnny Damon more than me, but even I am not delusional enough to think he should be in CF. Please leave him in LF and let Gardner play CF

    ————————————————————–

    What?

    True love is unconditional and blind.

    Pete twitted that Damon’s play was bigger then the Jeter flip. Now that’s love.

  51. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 am

    that’s “(in for Molina)” not “9in for Molina”. Not sure if Joe Girardi would bat Burnett 8th but it makes sense to me. That’s been a Tony LaRussa thing with the Cardinals.

  52. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 am

    jaybird November 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Look at tonights expected lineup, for that reason alone he should start Gaudin.

    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod SS
    Cano 2B
    Swish RF
    Gardner CF
    Molina C
    AJ P

    Cano in the 5 hole.
    I think I just threw up in my mouth.
    You’re wasting AJ! Bring him back on full rest Game 6.
    End of story.
    _____
    Wasting him how because we all know Lee is un-hittable and has never lost a game in his life.

    But the offense needs to get more aggressive against Lee, there is no working the count against Lee he doesn’t walk people, and Cano needs to go back to his swing at the first pitch mentality, Id rather have him make a fool of himself on some pitches and get some descent contact than be patient and hit weak pop-ups and ground-outs

  53. G. Love November 2nd, 2009 at 11:43 am

    If Melky is done for the series and needs to be replaced it has to be Guzman.

    You would still have the late game pinch running option and you’d also have the back up OF you need past Hairston (who is our only backup middle IF).

    The only reason you can do Pena is he can handle the middle IF emergency and then Hairston is the OF backup.

    But Pena vs. Guzman at this point comes down to speed and Guzman is faster.

  54. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Bronx Jeers
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 am

    What?

    True love is unconditional and blind.

    Pete twitted that Damon’s play was bigger then the Jeter flip. Now that’s love.

    *******
    I read Pete’s column. I wonder if he thought of me…. :-)

  55. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 11:44 am

    I don’t think AJ had a disappointing season, but I guess he’s just going to forever be one of those players that fans will never agree on. Oh well. Let’s go Yankees, I completely agree with you.

  56. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Ed – slacking in class now
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:39 am
    Erica, Molina might not even be back at all since Cervelli pretty much emerged as next year’s backup catcher. but then again, who knows what Cashman want to do this offseason.

    ********

    I would place the odds of the return of Molina at about 20%. Not great, but decent enough to not rule out entirely

  57. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 11:44 am

    YankWatcher
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:34 am
    Yea, Posada is the better hitter, but look at last night — one error and another instance where he couldn’t get the ball cleanly out of his glove to try to throw out Rollins stealing second.
    =====

    I know it’s a minor inconvenience, but take away “mediocre” Jorge’s 3 RBIs and maybe we’re still playing Game 4.

    It would be nice if people could get a handle on the concept of on base percentage and slugging.

    It’s kind of the basis for the Yankees’ entire offense.

  58. sab November 2nd, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Erica…

    whats up with you PBF’s interviewing skills…he looked out of sorts talking to the media at his press conference last night….luckily his talking handicap doesn’t spill over to his hitting and running skills…

    i say sign him for 2 years at 8 million per….and sign matsui for 1 year for 7 million (with a team option for a second year)

  59. TarheelYank November 2nd, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Molina should start tonight.

    For the line-up tonight, I would swap Alex and Tex.
    I would also start Hairston in CF. Gardner could come in for defense when we take the lead. ;-)

  60. tampayank November 2nd, 2009 at 11:46 am

    if the Yanks lose tonight who goes game 6? will it be Pettitte on short rest?

    I have a feeling the Yanks finish it tonight so we don’t have to worry about that

  61. CB November 2nd, 2009 at 11:47 am

    “Base runners can pretty much steal at will against Posada.”

    Posada threw out 28% of runners attempting to steal this season.

    Molina threw out 28% of runners attempting to steal this season.

    Posada didn’t play well behind the plate but he got a huge clutch hit in the 9th to put the game out of reach. Down one run against Mo the other team is still going to think it has a chance. Any fluke thing can happen.

    Down 3 runs against Mo the game is over.

    Replay that 9th inning with Posada out of the game and Molina in the game.

    In that case Cano would have been hitting behind Alex. If that’s the case Lidge may have just pitched around Alex and tried to go after Cano because there were two outs. Alex may not have gotten a pitch to hit. And I don’t have a lot of confidence in Cano right now.

    On net Posada was a big plus for the team last night even with the mistakes.

  62. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 am

    betsy
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:44 am
    I don’t think AJ had a disappointing season, but I guess he’s just going to forever be one of those players that fans will never agree on. Oh well. Let’s go Yankees, I completely agree with you.
    ===

    betsy,

    I’d say AJ’s season helped us win the division, and certainly his pitching has helped put us where we are.

    However, you could call his season “disappointing” relative to dollars and his level of ability.

    Everything is relative. AJ has enormous talent – therefore, more is expected of him than someone with lesser ability.

  63. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 am

    bodhisattva, showing he has more sense than 75% of the people on this blog, like usual.

  64. Shawn November 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am

    What time are you doing GTLU today Erica?

  65. Chambliss November 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 am

    I think that at this point you stick with what got you there. Yes, the Yankees will trot out an inferior lineup with Molina behind the plate and AJ batting 9th, but AJ was so good last time out with Molina I think that you have to stick with that battery.

    By the way, am I the only person here who was worried that CC might pull something with his mighty hacks? You can see why the guy likes to hit.

  66. CB November 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 am

    betsy,

    AJ wound up having a much better year in 2008 than he did in 2009.

    AJ had a very disappointing year. Coming into this season if one wanted to be optimistic you’d have to hope that AJ would build on the second half of his season last year with the Jays and that all of his rhetoric about being more mature and more of a pitcher in the spring were substantive issues.

    AJ had that one nice run in the middle of the season. I personally was hoping and expecting him to continue pitching well the second half. And he didn’t.

    He had a very disappointing season, IMO.

  67. m November 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Too bad about Melky. He had a big hand in the season and playoffs.

    Sam,

    What in my last post about AJ was caught in the filter? I re-wrote it and same thing.

  68. KF November 2nd, 2009 at 11:52 am

    CB,

    I agree with your entire post.

    Tonight is different situation and Molina’s intangibles are probably what sways Girardi to continue with AJ/Molina.

    Posada will play tonight and I have to trust Girardi to use his best judgement as to when.

  69. haiku-man November 2nd, 2009 at 11:52 am

    I remember Sept 16,of this year, when Cervelli had the walk off hit against the Blue Jays,a single in the bottom of the 9th.He like Posada, doesn’t wear the batting gloves.
    I remember reading it was his first.

  70. Propaghandi November 2nd, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Activate Guzman for his speed.

    The bat doesn’t matter as Pettitte should be used to pinch hit anyway.

  71. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 11:53 am

    MR.OCTOBER
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 am
    If Melky is out I must say the kid put together a really nice season and he should be proud of himself. He held his own in the batters box as well as played a great centerfield all year. He ran hard down the line at all times and played with a flare that the Yankees needed. He made catches in the outfield and had the look in his eyes “I dare you to run.” Not to mention he came up with big hit after big hit throughout the season. He faced much criticism in the beginning of the year but emerged. I think people forget he is only 25 years old and his best years are still ahead of him. Keep up the hard work Melky it pays off. Good job.
    ====

    Well said.

    Melky will be an even better hitter next season. He’s a young player on the rise – not a “4th outfielder” we were lucky to get above replacement performance from.

    Melky is talented. The GM has always understood this.

  72. m November 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 am

    No AJ, no chance for a championship.

    Your rotation would be CC/Andy/Joba/Gaudin. Of course you can argue that Cashman would’ve gone and made a trade when Wang went down.

    Maybe that pitcher wouldn’t have been so disappointing…

  73. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 am

    bodhisattva, showing he has more sense than 75% of the people on this blog, like usual.

    Don’t feed his ego. Last night he came on calling just about everyone here idiots.

  74. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 am

    sab
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:45 am
    Erica…

    whats up with you PBF’s interviewing skills…he looked out of sorts talking to the media at his press conference last night….luckily his talking handicap doesn’t spill over to his hitting and running skills…

    i say sign him for 2 years at 8 million per….and sign matsui for 1 year for 7 million (with a team option for a second year)

    *******

    I blame the 2003 concussion. But it adds to his loveable charm.

    I think he would take 2 years at 8 per in a heartbeat

  75. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Shawn
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
    What time are you doing GTLU today Erica?

    **********

    2:30-4pm

  76. TarheelYank November 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Patrick
    I would argue with the 75%, but I get the gist

  77. Propaghandi November 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Oh yeah, and I want a trade made to get Carl Crawford in the winter. Give up Melky, Gardner, Mitre, Pena, Cervelli, and anyone else of nonissue.

  78. m November 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Didn’t mean they wouldn’t have a chance.

    Just meant they wouldn’t be on the verge of a championship. One game away. Can you believe it?!

  79. Hokiehill November 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 am

    tough call on who to pick up as I don’t see any of the options really having a meaningful chance to contribute.

    I would say I support Guzman the least. If we need someone to run then stick Hairston on the bag…at least he could also play a position if need be. Cervelli has had essentially no action even with Molina catching for AJ but at least he could potentially pinch hit (although he’d be behind Matsui, Hinske and probably Hairston as well). Does Cervelli have enough speed to be considered as a pinch runner? If so, I say take him. With Gaudin not starting any games he comes back into play as the long reliever or another arm in the pen so no need for Mitre. And as much as I like Pena I don’t see any circumstance where he would be needed unless two infielders come up with injuries in the same game.

    Shame for Leche, he’s been pretty solid this season and I hate for anyone to get hurt. Hopefully Gardner (assuming he starts over Hairston) can get on the bag and make Lee uncomfortable enough to make a costly mistake.

  80. Wave Your Hat November 2nd, 2009 at 11:58 am

    “Melky will be an even better hitter next season. He’s a young player on the rise – not a “4th outfielder” we were lucky to get above replacement performance from.”

    We can always hope, but after four full seasons Melky still has not achieved an OPS+ of 100 or higher. I’d say the jury is still out.

  81. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 11:58 am

    Bodh, it’s not AJ’s fault the Yankees gave him that money. Hasn’t Randy always said (I think it was Randy) that $$$ isn’t going to make a player better than he is? AJ’s a good pitcher and he’s been a great teammate – I’m not sure what else could be expected from him. If the Yankees expected more, maybe that is their fault and they shouldn’t have signed him? Maybe they just made a bad decision.

  82. Andrew November 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 am

    “The bat doesn’t matter as Pettitte should be used to pinch hit anyway.”

    :)

    You know, the Phils’ pitchers were not throwing CC any fastballs last night because of those healthy cuts he was taking. They didn’t want to get treated like Hamels was by Andy the night before. Yankees’ pitchers can hit (well, except that CC looked worse than a little leaguer trying to bunt, but whatever)

  83. CB November 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 am

    “No AJ, no chance for a championship.”

    Hughes would have been in the rotation and I think he would have pitched better than AJ did this year.

    The bull pen would have sorted itself out. Robertson would have been fine as the 8th inning guy.

    And if they hadn’t signed AJ last year they would have added another veteran starter.

    Much of what AJ’s value to this team is going to depend on what he does tonight.

    I posted about this before. AJ can justify much of his entire 5 year signing with a dominant start tonight.

    It’s up to him to make the regular season a distant memory. The opportunity is there and waiting for him.

  84. Shawn November 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Ok thanks Erica, I’ve missed the last two GTLUs so I didn’t want to miss today’s!

  85. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 am

    I got into a fight with a Yankee hating friend this morning when he accused me of speaking in “New York hyperbole” when I called Damon’s Dash historic. Hahaha on him, cause Yahoo proved it.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....mlb,199504

  86. Tom in N.J. November 2nd, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    “It would be nice if people could get a handle on the concept of on base percentage and slugging.

    It’s kind of the basis for the Yankees’ entire offense.”

    People tend to forget that Posada had the 3rd highest OPS on the Yankees this year. Or they down play it so they can accentuate his “weaknesses.”

  87. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    7 hours and 59 minutes until Game 5!!!!!!!!

    (Gotta step away for a while, be back later)

  88. m November 2nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    lol, Betsy. Don’t worry.

    The Yankees wanted AJ, and they got him. He was a priority for them in the offseason.

    I’m sure the Yankees aren’t disappointed.

    Disappointed would be on vacation right now like the Red Sox. Shipping back damaged goods like Penny & Smoltz.

  89. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    CB, how did AJ have a better year last year? I’m not sure who said it, but someone (mabye SJ) said that AJ’s year last year came down to September – he was brutal the entire first half of the season and even into August. I guess we’ll have to disagree…as we disagree on his post-season starts. I know you’ve said his starts got progressively worse (before WS game 2), but I don’t see how he pitched badly in his first Angels game at all. Also, game 2 of the WS was enormous – no matter what happened in the regular season, he couldn’t have pitched better in the biggest game of his life. I think that speaks very well for AJ.

  90. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Wave Your Hat November 2nd, 2009 at 11:58 am

    We can always hope, but after four full seasons Melky still has not achieved an OPS+ of 100 or higher. I’d say the jury is still out.

    I’m with you. I’ve been hearing “any day now” for 4 years.

  91. Matsui find your glove November 2nd, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Crazy idea with a left hander on the mound tonight but if Melky’s out what about Damon in CF and Matsui in LF to get his bat in the line up?? With Molina already in there the bottom 3 is looking like Gardner, Molina and Burnett. The outfield D would drasticly suffer but they would put a respectable line up out there with Matsui and Joe could put Gardner or Guzman (if added) in the late innings for D.

  92. KF November 2nd, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    m,

    “Disappointed would be on vacation right now like the Red Sox. Shipping back damaged goods like Penny & Smoltz.”

    What could be stranger than the truth!
    LOL

  93. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    LOL M, I’m not worrying and I wasn’t upset when I wrote that post. My point was that it’s not fair to blame AJ for the Yankees wanting him…..People didn’t like the signing anyway, so for those who didn’t, I suppose AJ lived down to their expectations.

  94. m November 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    CB,

    Not to be rude, but whatever you say.

    No matter what happens tonight, I won’t be disappointed. Because we’ll still have two chances to close it out, and it shouldn’t all fall on AJ’s shoulders.

    In my opinion, all 4 acquisitions have done well in their first season in New York. Not a disappointment amongst the bunch.

    Good job.

    (don’t think that Hughes would be starting in the postseason, he would’ve run out of innings a long time ago)

  95. YankeeRay November 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    Gardner in CF
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:33 am
    Blackaccord November 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I think Molina frames pitches better than Posada.. Credit Molina for a few curveball strikeouts in game 2 against the lefties…

    Credit him for that game-changing pickoff at first.

    —–
    If we win to me this was the turning point of the game and possibly the series. From that moment on I know I had more confidence and up to that point we had not done one thing right.

  96. El duque November 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    I´m thinking the whole day about who should pitch! But If we pitch Burnett, Andy and CC on short Rest and we loose the series, I am more comfortable with that, as if we lose with Chad, AJ (together with Andy) and CC.

    I won´t second guess Girardi on this one!

    Lets go Yankees!
    By the way: We´ll hit Lee tonight!

    Promise!

  97. Hokiehill November 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    AJ has already had meaningful contributions during the regular season stopping several Yankee skids earlier in the year and has certainly made more contributions this post season. How anyone can be dissappointed with that is beyond me, but I guess everyone views things differently. Obviously the “success” of that signing won’t officially be known until the contract is over, but win or lose tonight, it’s looked good so far. That’s also with out any consideration to what he appears to have contributed as a team mate.

  98. sab November 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    i know this is veering off course a bit..

    but would anyone do a trade of Joba (or hughes) for Cole Hamels straight up? if the phillies lose i would think their fans would be lining Cole up for a lynching..

    i know i would do either trade in a nanosecond…

  99. TarheelYank November 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    Patrick
    I should have said I would argue 75% is too low.

  100. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    CB November 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 am

    “No AJ, no chance for a championship.”

    Hughes would have been in the rotation and I think he would have pitched better than AJ did this year.

    The bull pen would have sorted itself out. Robertson would have been fine as the 8th inning guy.

    And if they hadn’t signed AJ last year they would have added another veteran starter.

    Much of what AJ’s value to this team is going to depend on what he does tonight.

    I posted about this before. AJ can justify much of his entire 5 year signing with a dominant start tonight.

    It’s up to him to make the regular season a distant memory. The opportunity is there and waiting for him.
    ________

    Is it me or did A.J save the Yankees from going down 2-0 last Thursday? And didn’t he also have a stretch of month and a half of being the Yankees best pitcher?

    Maybe we should of stayed with Pavano, Maybe brought Randy back, or Kevin Brown, or maybe Javier, they all could of done what A.J has done, without A.J were not here. He didn’t have a good year, but he has come up big when he needed to for the most part

  101. m November 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Betsy,

    LOL. I meant don’t worry about what people say about the players, AJ in particular.

    The Yankees aren’t disappointed, only certain fans with lofty expectations.

    Goodness, I hope that’s not the real CB talking.

  102. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Well, no one loves Phil more than I do, but I completely disagree about Phil pitching better than AJ this year. I don’t see it at all. Also, if AJ’s year comes down to his post-season, what about Tex? He’s been horrible.

  103. Frank from Chatham, NJ November 2nd, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    sab

    Never!

    Maybe Gaudin for Hamels.

    But, only maybe.

  104. Wave Your Hat November 2nd, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    On the whole it’s hard to say AJ didn’t help the Yanks this year, even if he loses tonight.

    I think those who didn’t want to sign AJ in the off-season (just for the record, I believe I was neutral) mainly objected to the length of his deal and were worried that he might not be able to stay in the rotation consistently.

    Most people thought that if he stayed healthy, he’d be great. I don’t think many expected a season where AJ stayed healthy but did not execute consistently.

  105. CR9 November 2nd, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Why even bother putting “tight tushy” Mitre among the possible replacements.

    I think the Yankees would rather have any one of you or I than Mitre.

  106. CB November 2nd, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    “how did AJ have a better year last year?”

    Comparing Burnett’s 2008 season to his 2009, he walked fewer hitters, struck more hitters out, gave up 30% fewer home runs per inning, threw more total innings, had a better WHIP, had fewer wild pitches and hit batters, won more games (while playing for a worse hitting team), and had a much, much better tRA and FIP in 2008.

  107. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Mark, he also saved the Yankees early this season much as Swish did. AJ stopped at least 3 2 game losing streaks, and this was when CC was struggling. That does not count any less because it happened early in the season.

  108. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    CB
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:47 am
    “Base runners can pretty much steal at will against Posada.”
    Posada threw out 28% of runners attempting to steal this season.
    Molina threw out 28% of runners attempting to steal this season.
    Posada didn’t play well behind the plate but he got a huge clutch hit in the 9th to put the game out of reach. Down one run against Mo the other team is still going to think it has a chance. Any fluke thing can happen.
    Down 3 runs against Mo the game is over.
    Replay that 9th inning with Posada out of the game and Molina in the game.
    In that case Cano would have been hitting behind Alex. If that’s the case Lidge may have just pitched around Alex and tried to go after Cano because there were two outs. Alex may not have gotten a pitch to hit. And I don’t have a lot of confidence in Cano right now.
    On net Posada was a big plus for the team last night even with the mistakes.
    =====

    He also got the cushion run for Mo in Game 2. Otherwise, the Phillies have the game-tying run on second, there.

    The people who argue against Posada lapse in their attention when it comes to how important his bat is. They blithely assume the offense will come “from somewhere else” – as if his bat is interchangeable and replaceable.

    Posada is a very good offensive player, at any position. As a catcher, he is a great offensive player.

    But that, too, makes their heads spin – it’s too much trouble to try to grasp what OPS is by itself, let alone what it means relative to position.

    Patrick – I no longer even come on here during the IGT. It’s pretty much a Posada and Cano hatefest. Matsui was a target recently, as well, until his bat shut people up.

    The cake-winning comment on here was that Hairston should replace Cano tonight.

    I mean, I have no words…..

  109. Erin November 2nd, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    I don’t get the “AJ was a disappointment” argument at all. During the first half of the season when CC got off to a slow start AJ was repeatedly the stopper of any losing streaks. Some of his losses came from him not getting any run support and in his first ever world series game he was lights out. If that’s a disappointment, I’ll take it.

  110. Scared of the Wall November 2nd, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Quite odd how AJ still isn’t getting much respect considering he pitched a gem in Game 2 that helped the Yanks turn the series around.

    It will be a very tough task for AJ to outduel Lee tonight. It’s possible that he will pitch an excellent game and still lose, but people on here will be moaning about what a headcase he is…

  111. jaybird November 2nd, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    I still think this a huge gamble by sending out your final 3 starters all on short rest. It would have the possibilty of being one of the most second guessed move in the franchises history considering what is at stake.

    Shades of Casey Stengel and 1960 when Stengel waited until Game 3 to start Whitey Ford against the Pirates, a 4 hit shutout for Ford. It was the only game he pitched in the series.

  112. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    OH!

    And Erica said last night, some were suggesting DAMON be pulled from the lineup….

  113. steveoh November 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Girardi said he could start Hairston in CF…

    He wouldn’t really do that, would he?

  114. CB November 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    “He didn’t have a good year, but he has come up big when he needed to for the most part”

    I agree with that and that’s what I’ve been posting.

    He was ok in the regular season. But not nearly as good as he was in 2008. To me, that’s disappointing. I was hoping he would perform at the same level he did in 2008. His command this season was much worse and that hurt him a great deal.

    He pitched great in game 2. If he throws another game like that then the regular season won’t matter at all.

    It’s up to him.

  115. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 2nd, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Manual is a punk.

  116. Wave Your Hat November 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    AJ had a fine year, but he suffers because he probably fell short of our expectations.

    The most important contribution AJ made was staying healthy all year. To me, at least, whether he wins or loses tonight won’t affect my overall appreciation of his season.

  117. Boston Dave November 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Nick in SF,

    I stopped at Five Guys Burgers in CT on my way to
    Philly (it’s an east coast In N Out knockoff)

    here’s my receipt:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/6.....4068398145

    it’s no #27 but how about win #4?

    Hey, I tried…. and I’m also full of greasy food for the game.

  118. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Shift this Philly!

  119. yanksfan November 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    cb, talk about what the phillies have been doing so wrong so far in the postseason. Have they not excuted when needed to. I felt the phillies manager seemed over confident in game 1, popping bubbles and half-smiling during camera shots.

  120. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    On the subject of Hughes:

    I really look forward to his addition to the rotation next season. Ditto for Joba.

    I see Melancon being heavily relied on next season out of the bullpen, and if Brackman can continue to improve his control, we see him added to the bullpen at the end of the year.

    Who knows? If we sign Chapman, he may well be a late-season flame throwing lefty out of the bullpen. That’d be crazy, especially if Coke and Dunn are back there, too. Marte, I believe, has another year to go. His stuff has had unreal break to it this postseason.

    Meanwhile, we have D-Rob & Aceves back there. I’m not sure what happens with Bruney.

    Any way, no reason to sacrifice Hughes and Joba out there beyond this postseason.

  121. TarheelYank November 2nd, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    “Girardi said he could start Hairston in CF…

    He wouldn’t really do that, would he?”

    Why not. If you start Molina (Joe will) you need to help the offense anyway you can. IMO Jerry is an offenesive upgrade over Gardner. I believe he has a HR against Lee. I have no idea how good or bad he is as a CF, but if Joe is considering it, he can’t be too bad. Gardner could come in late.
    I would also swap Alex and Tex. Without Posada or Matsui in the line-up it is the only way they have to pitch to Alex.

  122. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    What did Manuel say now? Sheesh…

    LOL good news – a Five Guys opened in Huntington, just ten minutes from where I live. Now I can try it for myself,lol. It had better be good after all I’ve heard about it.

    Wave, AJ’s health issues are, I think, a thing of the past.

  123. m November 2nd, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Maybe AJ didn’t have a good a season as 2008, but in the grand scheme of things does that really matter?

    I’ve heard several players say that Girardi asked them to play for the team, not themselves.

    For the most part the core players all did that.

    What really matters is what happens in the next few days. Then all the disappointments of the regular season (insignificant or not) will dissipate.

    This is about the team, not individual stats.

    During the postseason, CC, AJ, & Andy have all struggled at times. Yet we’re 10-3. With three starters. I can’t believe how well they’ve pitched. Am I wrong or are two of those losses on the bullpen?

  124. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    steveoh
    November 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
    Girardi said he could start Hairston in CF…
    He wouldn’t really do that, would he?
    ====

    I certainly hope not. Hairston is a decent OF, and can play a serviceable CF, but it’s not something I want him doing in a potential WS-clinching game when he’s barely taken a turn out there for us this season.

  125. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 2nd, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    November 2nd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
    What did Manuel say now? Sheesh…

    nothing new – plunking A -rod and general classlessness.

  126. Gary November 2nd, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins) November 2nd, 2009 at 11:17 am

    I agree with other people that Cano needs to get it going tonight. With Posada and Matsui out of the lineup he is going to be counted on tonight.

    I think Cano either has an attitude problem and or the Yanks are just letting him sulk and get away with murder. What else can explain his loafing both at the plate and also sometimes in the field. Lee will probably eat him alive tonight with Robinson’s tendency to swing at anything. I’d even like him to just get a loud out somewhere. When I see all the other Yanks hustling It drives me nuts to see the BS he does out there.

  127. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Bodh, the way Phil finished his season……I have less confidence now than I did before. I still think he’s going to be a stud, but even before, I felt he would struggle next year. His curve is erratic, his confidence is gone and he has no change up. It’s a pity, because he’d had such a wonderful season. Anyone expecting him to be lights out next year is going to be disappointed. Melancon? I know you love this kid, but he has to show a lot more as he was not impressive at all in his stints this year.

  128. m November 2nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Cano? I don’t see any problem there. At least he’s not flailing at the plate. Which Alex was doing until he got plunked. lol.

  129. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    My question is what the Yankees do with Cano next year? He’s hopeless in the post-season, for a few years now and he can not hit with RISP. I have always liked this guy and have never wanted to trade him, but I wonder if now might be the right time to do so. He could bring back a pretty penny.

  130. Luds November 2nd, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    You gotta keep Cano, hes’s got too much talent to let go.

  131. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Betsy,

    Get back to me in May regarding Melancon. I believe you’ll feel differently.

    Hughes is a bit out of gas. It’s been a long season. I have no concerns about his stuff long range. Don’t forget how good his starts were after the cutter went south against lefties down in Baltimore.

    Hughes has a golden arm. The Yankees have pitching riches at all levels of the organization.

  132. yanksfan November 2nd, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    does anyone else see a semi-resemblance of freddy kruger in Charlie manuel?

    he could play a fat version of freddy whenever he’s in the dugout.

  133. randy l. November 2nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    “Much of what AJ’s value to this team is going to depend on what he does tonight.
    I posted about this before. AJ can justify much of his entire 5 year signing with a dominant start tonight.”

    cb-

    i’ve written too that aj ‘s only way to justify his big salary is to be a big game post season pitcher.

    i will either love or hate aj depending on what he can do in big games.

    he’s a hard guy to read on how he handles pressure. he’s got that twitchy release thing because of his rotational spinning delivery that makes him erratic in the regular season.

    can he with the intensity of the post season fine tune his release point so he can command his breaking ball and two seam fastball?

    if he can, aj is a potential mvp.

    in the game against the angels , aj and molina could have used some help from the coaching staff that the angels had decided to have their big guns swinging at the first pitch ( the little guys didn’t) in that first inning.

    burnett got hammered by throwing first pitch strikes to those angel big guns. this is important because the phillies were not swinging at aj’s first pitch in the last game and aj was on with his command.

    tonight he is going to have to mix it up with the pitches he uses on the first pitch.
    as a catcher i would also have him aim for the corners on the first pitch because the phillies will likely be swinging at close first pitches.

    i’m not happy about so few bats in the lineup, but girardi made his bed with this when he paired molina with burnett two months ago.

    posada will be in this game as he has been in all burnett’s games so his bat will be there except for two at bats.

    with this anemic line up after arod tonight , someone like billy martin might think of leading off arod to get some bats behind him.

    the way he runs the bases it’d be risky pitching around him with jeter and damon behind him. he’d get some pitches to hit.

  134. Andrew November 2nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    “His curve is erratic, his confidence is gone and he has no change up. It’s a pity, because he’d had such a wonderful season.”

    His curveball has been his best pitch in the World Series, his problem has been fastball command, something that all pitchers deal with at times including #1 guys like CC. The change-up should improve once he’s actually in the rotation next year and can use it in games.

    I also don’t buy that his confidence is gone. The guy has dealt with a lot of hating and doubting in his career so far and he has responded to every challenge, so far. If he wins a World Series with this team in his first true full season, and clearly he made a huge contribution to that World Series regardless of his ups and downs in the playoffs, how can his confidence be gone heading in to 2010?

  135. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Betsy,

    Cano is not being traded.

    LOL.

  136. The Ghost November 2nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Pete Abe said that Rivera had an ice pack strapped to his ribs last night after the game. He had a heating pad on it in the bullpen. Anyone think that Mariano is trying to gut his way through a pulled rib cage muscle?

  137. upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Whether Molina starts or not, as in all of AJ’s starts, Posada will be in the game. You are giving up maybe 2 at bats. Posada will still be in at the end of the game to get those crucial hits.

  138. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    My question is what the Yankees do with Cano next year? He’s hopeless in the post-season, for a few years now and he can not hit with RISP. I have always liked this guy and have never wanted to trade him, but I wonder if now might be the right time to do so. He could bring back a pretty penny.
    _________

    You don’t trade potential .330BA 25-30 HR and 80-100 Rbis unless your getting equal or greater value back

  139. Luds November 2nd, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    If AJ dominates the way he did in game 2 and the Yanks finish it tonight, he’s pretty much a lock on MVP.

    A-Rod is in there too with his double, and Mariano with his multiple saves already.

  140. CB November 2nd, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    “talk about what the phillies have been doing so wrong so far in the postseason.”

    I don’t know if the Phillies have done anything wrong per se. I think the yankees starting pitching has just been very good and that is coupled with the fact that the yankees are simply exploiting one of the Phillies biggest weaknesses.

    Ryan Howard is two players. He is one of the game’s all time great power hitters when he is facing right handed pitching. He is almost David Eckstein when facing left handed pitching.

    Howard has some of the largest platoon splits for a player who plays everyday in the history of the game.

    The yankees have smartly stacked their rotation so that CC and Andy will pitch a maximum number of games this series. Mariano is death on lefty hitters. Those factors coupled with Marte’s remergence have completely nullified Howard.

    And the other factor there is AJ – when he’s on it doesn’t matter if you’re lefty or righty – he’s just death to face.

    Right now Tex is in a huge slump and he’s pressing. Howard is slumping but I’m not sure how much you can attribute his performance to a slump vs. skill.

    Howard is awful against average left handers. He’s faced plus left handers this series and simply doesn’t have the skills to hit that kind of quality pitching.

    And it’s reduced him to replacement level player.

    It’s brutal for a team to have their second best player just disappear this series.

    And the yankees haven’t yet fully exploited that weakness because they haven’t been pitching around Utley yet.

  141. Stuckey November 2nd, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    “He is mediocre at best behind the plate. I am hoping next year he is transitioned to a DH role and Cervelli (not much power but batting average .291 this year) is given a chance.”

    Yeah, Posada behind the plate KILLED the Yankees this year. 103 wins, 10-3 in the postseason and one win away from a World Series title…

    Wait… what was my point?

  142. m November 2nd, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Mo looked so uncomfortable in the dugout. Miserable, like it was 10 degrees or something.

    Of course when he got on the mound, it was child’s play.

    Wouldn’t it be a hoot if he did something like that on purpose? To get the writers all in a tizzy?

  143. Gary November 2nd, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    My question is what the Yankees do with Cano next year? He’s hopeless in the post-season, for a few years now and he can not hit with RISP. I have always liked this guy and have never wanted to trade him, but I wonder if now might be the right time to do so. He could bring back a pretty penny.

    Isn’t it a bit like the second coming of Soriano? I never have liked Cano’s inability to get walks and have a good grasp of the strike zone. He doesn’t hit with RISP because he swings at pitches out of the strike zone. The pitchers know the book on him and use it to full advantage. By the law of averages you ought to have far more than 30 walks with 600AB’s.

  144. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Bodh, will do, lol. I’m rooting for Melancon, believe me. As to Phil, oh I agree – he’s got a great arm. My belief in his long-term future has never wavered. My only concern is that he’s acting out of character – yelling at umps, skipping media sessions. I think Phil needs to be accountable, just like everyone else – he is a professional. If he can stand up and take the media when they are praising him, he has to face the music when he stinks.

  145. The Ghost November 2nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    You people all know that Varitek absolutely idolizes Posada don’t you? You’d think he’d know more about gauging ability than the rest of us no?

  146. Wave Your Hat November 2nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Gardner or Hairston, playing the first half of the game with a bottom five of Cano, Swisher, Gardner/Hairston, Molina and the pitcher does not fill me with confidence against Lee.

    I think whether or not Molina helps AJ, you can’t take that bottom 5 against Lee. ARod will never see a decent pitch.

    I think you need to start Posada tonight, and hope it all works out with AJ.

  147. randy l. November 2nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    “During the postseason, CC, AJ, & Andy have all struggled at times.”

    off the top of my head , the only stinker by the starters was aj’s 6 run game in 6 innings.

    cc and pettitte limited the damage in their games.

    that said burnett has had three out of four good games so he’s had a good postseason so far.

    as cb has said, his postseason rests on tonight.

    my one prediction for this game is that the blog will be unified behind him to win this game.

  148. Pauly November 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Hey all, wondering if the Great Hall and Field level seats would be open to the public again, and if anyone on here had any helpful info on how to check out the game that way, e.g. what time to arrive, if they closed the gates at capacity, etc.

  149. KF November 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Wouldn’t it be a hoot if he did something like that on purpose? To get the writers all in a tizzy?

    Mo, the cagey veteran :)

  150. TarheelYank November 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Nice post Randy—thanks.

    The Angel game was obvious. I would think the Yankess will be all over that tonight.

    Why not swap Alex and Tex for the same effect without disrupting the whole line-up?

  151. Jim November 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Actually, I think that if AJ struggles, he will be hit hard and/or he will walk a lot of batters. I like Molina because he controls the running game defense well. True, he and Posade have about the same caught stealing percentage, but I think runners have more respect for Molina’s arm than Posada’s. Also, because the ball will be hit hard, the outfield will play an important role for non-homerun ball defense. We can’t handycap AJ’s defensive unit. Gardner is a defensive upgrade over Melky in that he gets to balls faster and covers more ground (which makes Damon more effective).

    I do get the argument that offense will suffer with this lineup, but the lineup will only be like this for 6 innings or so. Posada will be in, Matsui will get an at bat, Hairston or Hinske are available to pinch hit for other bullpen pitchers, and Hairston can even stay in the game in right if Swisher is struggling. Yes, there is a risk associated with this, but I like our chances.

  152. randy l. November 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    i should have said” as cb has said, his postseason and his season rests on tonight.”

  153. m November 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    randy l,

    Just general stuff, like struggled with command, location.

    Don’t worry, I’m not jumping on your guys. ;)

  154. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    “He is mediocre at best behind the plate. I am hoping next year he is transitioned to a DH role and Cervelli (not much power but batting average .291 this year) is given a chance.”
    ____

    Posada has been so bad as a Cather that Andy, CC are 6-1 with him and he makes up for his what you call “mediocre” defense behind the plate with hits, runs and RBIs. I wonder where the Yankees would be without his 3 “mediocre” RBIs last night?

  155. vin November 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Cevelli has to be activated in place of Melky, no? If he’s not, then his presence on the first 2 rosters was illogical. The only reason, logically speaking, he wasn’t on the WS roster is because of Hinske PHing in the NL park.

    I’m curious to see if its Gardner or Hairston in CF. My guess is Hairston… not sure if the lefty hitting Gardner could get anything going against Lee. Also, Hairston has already gotten a start in the WS, so maybe Girardi will fee like he’ll be a bit more comfortable in game 5.

    But then again, in 46 career ABs in Citizens Bank Park, Hairston is hitting .186/.222/.256

    Who knows what Girardi will do.

    GTLU will surely be interesting today. Especially with it potentially being the last game of the season, and a cluster of us tied for first.

  156. The Ghost November 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Gary, Soriano was an absolute liability at 2b. When he wasn’t hitting it really hurt the team. Cano is a veritable asset. With the way he has improved his defense this year the Yankees don’t need him to hit. 2b, SS, CF and C are defensive positions. In that I mean it’s more important for those players to be great defensive players than good hitters. Championships are won with a solid up the middle defense.

  157. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    When A.J walks people unlike most pitchers its a good sign

  158. Gary November 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    My question is what the Yankees do with Cano next year? He’s hopeless in the post-season, for a few years now and he can not hit with RISP. I have always liked this guy and have never wanted to trade him, but I wonder if now might be the right time to do so. He could bring back a pretty penny.
    _________

    You don’t trade potential .330BA 25-30 HR and 80-100 Rbis unless your getting equal or greater value back

    Well we got AROD for Alfonso so I agree, worked out pretty well for us.

  159. m November 2nd, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Why did Sam mention Sergio is a candidate to be activated. Isn’t there a rule that it has to be pitcher for pitcher, position player for position player?

  160. CB November 2nd, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    “Isn’t it a bit like the second coming of Soriano?”

    Here’s the big difference between Cano and Soriano and why there’s much more hope for Cano – Soriano not only had awful plate discipline he had a very, very long swing. And those two factors made him especially vulnerable to good pitching which is why he was so bad in the post season.

    Cano has a very efficient swing. It’s a much, much better swing than Soriano’s.

    So even though both have poor patience Cano has much better hitting tools.

    And of course he’s a much better defensive player.

    That said, Cano’s future capacity is entirely up to him and whether or not he cuts down on his propensity for getting himself out.

  161. m November 2nd, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Who gets activated could tell you about the lineup tonight. Or vice versa.

  162. Gary November 2nd, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    CB November 2nd, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    “Isn’t it a bit like the second coming of Soriano?”

    Here’s the big difference between Cano and Soriano and why there’s much more hope for Cano – Soriano not only had awful plate discipline he had a very, very long swing. And those two factors made him especially vulnerable to good pitching which is why he was so bad in the post season.

    Cano has a very efficient swing. It’s a much, much better swing than Soriano’s.

    So even though both have poor patience Cano has much better hitting tools.

    And of course he’s a much better defensive player.

    That said, Cano’s future capacity is entirely up to him and whether or not he cuts down on his propensity for getting himself out.

    I completely agree if he ran hard he could have had maybe 5 or 6 more base hits this year and probably a couple more Extra Bases. I easily think he could have had another 40-50 walks with that may AB’s.

  163. The Ghost November 2nd, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Anyone get the sense that Cervelli will be added to the roster tonight and the game will go into extra innings with Cervelli ending up as catcher? I can see it now: Bases loaded, two outs, Cervelli up, fouls off a couple of 3-2 Brad Lidge sliders, then the payoff, the runners go…

  164. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 2nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Murti saying Melk probably won’t be replaced unless the Yanks can prove his injury is bad enough that he would be DLd if it was in the reg season

  165. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    upstate kate
    November 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
    Whether Molina starts or not, as in all of AJ’s starts, Posada will be in the game. You are giving up maybe 2 at bats. Posada will still be in at the end of the game to get those crucial hits.
    =====

    Based on what I’ve read, it certainly seems that Molina will be behind the plate.

    But to your point – I think you’re falling into the same trap others here have; relegating Posada’s impact on the lineup to coming down to a couple of ABs sacrificed.

    For one thing, Posada gives ARod protection. Cano’s bat has greatness in it – but h’es not going to protect Alex in the same way Posada or Matsui could.

    Posada is a professional marksman whose bat commands respect from both sides of the plate – especially potent in that wimpy little ballpark. He can jack one righthanded there as easily as lefthanded.

    He’s a switch-hitter who gets on base, hits for contact, and has power. You can’t just throw trash to Alex and put him on base all night, and not expect that you won’t pay for it with Posada hitting behind him.

    It astounds me how shallow the understanding of how our lineup functions is – people view offense in a vacuum; that’s not how it works.

    The in potentia power alone is confounding for the opposition. At the very least, it makes them throw extra pitches.

    Why is this not understood?

  166. Seven November 2nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Posada has to catch Burnett tonight. Girardi would be really dumb to take out Posada from the lineup against Lee. You already lost Matsui with the DH. That will make the lineup too thin. Swisher would be hitting 5th. You might as well pitch Gaudin instead of wasting an AJ Burnett start with that lineup.

    And Hairston is not a good defensive outfielder. Putting him in center could be disaster. Gardner is 2 for 5 against Lee. That is a small sample size but he is a better outfielder than Hairston.

  167. Joe I. November 2nd, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Hello everyone. This just came over the newswire here at work…

    PHILADELPHIA (AP) – Fear not Phillies fans, Macy’s still has faith.
    A day after the Yankees took a commanding 3-1 lead in the World Series, The Philadelphia Inquirer ran an ad from the retail chain congratulating the Phillies on winning back-to-back championships.
    The three-quarter page ad on the back of Monday’s front section features a T-shirt emblazoned with the Phillies logo, the Commissioner’s Trophy and the phrase “Back To Back World Series Champions.”
    The Inquirer released an apologetic message to readers saying the paper deeply regrets the error.
    Confident fans still anticipating a Phillies win may need to temper their purchasing expectations, however. The ad contains a small disclaimer at the bottom: “Advertised items may not be at your local Macy’s.”

  168. PittsburghYankeeFan November 2nd, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    “Cliff Lee will probably throw a shutout.”

    “Let’s trade Cano.”

    “AJ Burnett’s confidence is gone.”

    Where do people come up with this stuff?

  169. steveoh November 2nd, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Why not. If you start Molina (Joe will) you need to help the offense anyway you can. IMO Jerry is an offenesive upgrade over Gardner. I believe he has a HR against Lee. I have no idea how good or bad he is as a CF, but if Joe is considering it, he can’t be too bad. Gardner could come in late.
    I would also swap Alex and Tex. Without Posada or Matsui in the line-up it is the only way they have to pitch to Alex.

    I think there is not much difference between Gardner and Hairston offensively, especially considering Gardner is a better threat to steal and bunt for a hit (useful if Lee is pitching well again). And then Hairston has only played 5 games and 32 innings in CF this year, compared to Gardner’s 99/628. I would play Gardner over Hairston just for defense reasons.

    I agree with switching A-Rod and Tex, in fact I’ve been saying that all year… but it’s especially needed tonight with only Swisher/Cano hitting 5th.

  170. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Gary,

    Cano had good ABs in Game 2, and Ibanez stole a double to the gap from him.

    The team has been coughing and sniffling – maybe Cano has the flu – he looks very out of sorts.

    Whatever his issue is currently – I can’t believe the commentary that he should be traded. People just have no idea how good this guy is.

    The instincts in general for judging talent by Yankee fans is so poor, these discussions become laughable. Cano? Trade bait?

    It’s….ineffable….

  171. Joe I. November 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    “Where do people come up with this stuff?”

    It’s a family website, so, I won’t say, but I think you get the picture.

  172. mike November 2nd, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Seriously people ! Cliff Lee isn’t GOD. Did he go unbeaten this season! NO . he is beatable!

  173. Wave Your Hat November 2nd, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    The lineup with Molina against Lee:

    Jeter
    Damon
    Teixeira
    ARod
    Swisher
    Cano
    Hairston
    Molina
    AJ

    How does that grab people with Lee pitching? I’m not wild about it.

  174. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    I would play Gardner over Hairston just for defense reasons.
    ====

    Agree with this point. You can’t mess around with CF in a game of this importance. Gardner starts in CF.

  175. upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    I don’t get the hate for certain players.
    When Melky and Cano came up, it was the start of using our own players. They brought a youthful enthusiasm to the team. Yes, Cano is bad w/ RISP, but he is a good hitter, and it will come. He makes some great plays look easy b/c he is so smooth. Melky has been Mr Clutch many times.
    Phil and Joba have so much potential, sometimes we forget how young they are.
    Every one on this team has contributed to the success of this team, even Cody Ransom and Kevin Cash.

  176. gayle November 2nd, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Sam–

    Correct me if I am wrong as I did look into this earlier but if Melky is replaced he can only be replaced by a position player of the same position thus I think only Guzman can be activiated. See below unless of course they changed the rules yet again:

    If an eligible player is injured and unable to play a club can call up any player in the organization regardless of their roster status* provided that the replacement player plays the same position (position player for position player and pitcher for pitcher), the replacement player was in the organization as of the August 31st deadline and they finished the season in the organization, and they receive approval from the commissioner.

    The playoff roster is set each round when the lineup card is delivered to home plate. If the first game of the series is postponed, teams can reconfigure their roster as long as the series hasn’t started.

    If a player is injured, they can be replaced during the series using the rules stated above. If the player is replaced they cannot come back in the current round, nor can they play in the following round.

  177. Gary November 2nd, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Yanks just need to stay calm tonight, play good defense and make good decisions at the plate and on the basepaths. 10 strikeouts and a few hits here and there with no runners advanced will allow Lee to pitch the same game he did in Game 1.

    This guy can be beat, but it’s more likely it’s one of 2-1, 3-1, 3-2 affairs. I don’t see him giving many scoring chances and no big innings. The guy gave up 6 hits got a DP and no walks. So the Yanks had 6 base runners.

  178. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Man, that stinks. Those rules are lousy……Joe is not going to play Posada and that is going to make a bad lineup worse. It would be nice if Tex decided to show up offensively

  179. randy l. November 2nd, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    how does switching teixeira behind alex help ?

    the phillies would just continue to pitch around alex to get to teixeira.

    i’d lead alex off :)

    but girardi won’t.

    he’s hoping that cano and swisher will hit if alex gets a few walks.

    what else does he have until posada comes into the game?

  180. Doreen November 2nd, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    bodhi -

    I have thought Cano’s been under the weather since against Minnesota, in the ninja gear.

    He has been a victim of well-hit balls find fielders a lot this season.

    He also looks extremely frustrated at the plate right now.

    I hope he gets a hit tonight.

    There’s no way they trade Cano.

  181. upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    bodhi
    you make a good point about protection for Alex, esp considering that Tex has not been hitting lately.

  182. MR.OCTOBER November 2nd, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    BODH-
    I agree Hughes and Joba will probably both be starters next year and good ones at that. Melancon got his feet wet this year and should be a contributor next year. Also keep an eye on Kennedy in the pen next season to contribute as well. Stand by those young guys they have GOLDEN ARMS and are still young. Let them develop.

  183. Blackaccord November 2nd, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    I dont know why people are saying that 5-9 are definite outs.. Gardner was 1-2 against Lee at the stadium in april and he was 1-2 with a sacrifice… I feel that GGBG will spark the lineup today.. Gardner should bat 9th and AJ should bat 8th.. That way you have 2 lead off hitters back to back..

  184. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Gardner is a defensive upgrade over Melky in that he gets to balls faster and covers more ground (which makes Damon more effective).
    ====

    This is so much BS. Melky gets much better jumps than Gardner on the all-important balls hit directly behind the CF to the wall.

    He has more east-west range than Melky, but he doesn’t have great instincts and he isn’t as good a CF as Cabrera.

    Nevertheless, he’s the only choice to play CF tonight. Hairston hasn’t played there in a long time. A game of this magnitude is no time to start messing around.

  185. TarheelYank November 2nd, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Jeter 6
    Damon 7
    Alex 5
    Tex 3
    Swish 9
    Cano 4
    Molina 2
    Hairston 8
    AJ 9
    With plenty of pinch-hitting AB’s for the 7th-9th spots.

    Erica-I will be traveling the rest of the day if possible that is my submission. Thanks

  186. Wave Your Hat November 2nd, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Gardner has hit lefties decently this year, but he’s only had 65 plate appearances against them all year, and he’s hardly had an AB in a month. Facing Lee, I’m afraid it would be ugly. Girardi has a tough choice because of Gardner’s defense, but with Molina in the lineup how can you go with Gardner too?

  187. Luds November 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    I can’t see Hairston getting the start in CF. I just can’t.

  188. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    randy,

    Not sure if you are serious about A-rod leading off but I feel like that’s a completely valid strategy. He’s the best hitter with the highest OBP, why not get him the most at-bats possible?

  189. stuart a November 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    cano is under the weather in his mind. the guy is the most clueless talent in the league…

    he should just pretend no one is on base when he gets up. the guy has about5 important hits in 4 years……………

  190. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Blackaccord
    November 2nd, 2009 at 12:58 pm
    I dont know why people are saying that 5-9 are definite outs.. Gardner was 1-2 against Lee at the stadium in april and he was 1-2 with a sacrifice… I feel that GGBG will spark the lineup today.. Gardner should bat 9th and AJ should bat 8th.. That way you have 2 lead off hitters back to back..
    ====

    Stranger things have happened. I’d like to see Gardner try and bunt more. I DO NOT want to see that awful windmill swing that produces nothing but weak pop ups – giving his legs no chance whatsoever. Hit the ball on the ground, Brett!

  191. rconn23 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Cano is not getting traded. He’s 26 and on a team that’s loaded with aging veterans – you need him in the lineup.

    That being said, if Felix Hernandez is on the block and the offensively challenged Mariners say they want Cano as part of a package – well, that’s a different story.

  192. crawdaddy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    “Murti saying Melk probably won’t be replaced unless the Yanks can prove his injury is bad enough that he would be DLd if it was in the reg season”

    At times, Murti doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The Yankees aren’t going to have any trouble replacing Melky with another player. Why would a team up 3-1 in a series want to replace their starting CF with a lesser player if he’s not really hurt?

  193. randy l. November 2nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    CB-

    two questions:

    what kind of offensive plan should long come up with against lee with his rapid fire pitching approach?

    what do the yankees do with utley sitting right on top of the plate and covering the outside part of the plate so well ?

  194. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    stuart a
    November 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    cano is under the weather in his mind. the guy is the most clueless talent in the league…
    he should just pretend no one is on base when he gets up. the guy has about5 important hits in 4 years……………
    ====

    You have never had a good word for Robinson Cano. You’re full of hot air and hatred. You have no credibility.

  195. TarheelYank November 2nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    “the phillies would just continue to pitch around alex to get to teixeira.”

    We disagree on that. But even if so that’s ok by me. Tex will make them pay

  196. 7789 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    November 2nd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
    I would play Gardner over Hairston just for defense reasons.
    ====

    Agree with this point. You can’t mess around with CF in a game of this importance. Gardner starts in CF.

    ———————————————–

    I agree that is the thing about Girardi I dont understand. On one hand he talks about how much pitching and defense is important which is his reason for starting Molina. But than he will put Hairston who is a weak outfielder in center. I dont see a big offensive difference between Hairston and Gardner. Doesn’t make much sense to me.

    I agree with you about Posada. I really hope he is in the lineup. He is A-Rod’s protection. If they take Posada out of the lineup the phillies will continue walking or drilling A-Rod with no reguard.

  197. steveoh November 2nd, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Leading off A-Rod is a big no-no. He needs to hit where at least the two guys ahead of him a good players who have a good chance to be on base (Jeter and Damon).

    But I’ve been saying for a long time that he should be hitting 3rd and Tex 4th. There’s just too much dropoff from A-Rod to Posada/Matsui, nevermind Swisher/Cano.

  198. jennifer November 2nd, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    found this.

    (2) Players injured during the course of a post-season series could now be replaced during the series. Such replacement must be done on a pitcher for pitcher, position player for position player basis. The rules regarding the players eligible to become replacements are the same as those used for injury replacements prior to a series. However, the injured player, once replaced, is ineligible to participate in any further post-season series, even if he is later healthy.

  199. Dave November 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Couldn’t agree more, kate (12:52). Unfortunately, when you combine stupidity and ignorance, which is this blog’s forte, it tends to be a recurring theme.

  200. tk November 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    WYH,

    “How does that grab people with Lee pitching? I’m not wild about it.”

    Me neither, but I think it will actually be worse than that. I imagine Gardner will start over Hairston and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cano @ #5. Personally I would also hit Swisher behind A-Rod.

    What do you think about having Molina at #7 and only giving him one AB–I would hate to see the game come down to an AB by the CF instead of Posada.

  201. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    November 2nd, 2009 at 12:58 pm
    Gardner has hit lefties decently this year, but he’s only had 65 plate appearances against them all year, and he’s hardly had an AB in a month. Facing Lee, I’m afraid it would be ugly. Girardi has a tough choice because of Gardner’s defense, but with Molina in the lineup how can you go with Gardner too?
    =====

    Because you can’t risk messing around with CF in a game of this magnitude. Had Hairston had some games there, he’d be in a better position to handle it. It’s too much of an x-factor.

    Gardner’s numbers against lefties are low because Girardi shields him from them.

  202. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    “Leading off A-Rod is a big no-no. He needs to hit where at least the two guys ahead of him a good players who have a good chance to be on base (Jeter and Damon).”

    If he hits in the 1 spot how many times will he actually be leading off an inning?

    “what kind of offensive plan should long come up with against lee with his rapid fire pitching approach?”

    Be aggressive like Jeter was in game 1. See a strike early on in the count and hit it.

    “I DO NOT want to see that awful windmill swing that produces nothing but weak pop ups – giving his legs no chance whatsoever. Hit the ball on the ground, Brett!”

    As Keith Law said last night, for every ball he hits in the air Gardner should be forced to do 50 push-ups.

  203. Jon Locke November 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Trade Cano?!?!?! You people are insane. We are 27 outs away from #27 and you want to talk about trading a 26 year old 2Bmen that bats over .300 in the regular season? Not to mention he is one of the best defensive 2Bmen in the league and turns a DP like it’s nobody’s business. Who are you replacing him with? SO he hasnt hit in the playoffs… Big deal. Alex didn’t hit in the playoffs before this season, should we have traded him? Teixera has like 5 hits the entire postseason, should we trade him too?

    Jeez just sit back, shut up and get ready to party tonight!

  204. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Holy crap! If there is even a chance that it’s somehow permissible to get Sergio Mitre onto this roster and starting tonight’s game, they HAVE TO DO IT!

    Gaudin? No!

    AJ on 3 days’ rest on the road with Sluggo Molina in the lineup? No!

    Sergio Mitre and an exciting round of Death Watch 6.0 World Series Edition? Oh God yes!!!!!!!!

    Cashman, make it happen!

  205. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Kate, I don’t hate Cano, but he is very flawed……

  206. Scared of the Wall November 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Gardner fared well against Lee this season, he was 2 for 5. Small sample size, but there’s some quiver of hope he can get a hit against Lee..

  207. rconn23 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Bods,

    With all due respect, Gardner is a better defensive player than Cabrera. He’a a late inning defensive replacement there for a reason.

    The defensive metrics between the two this year are pretty telling.

    Melky has had a solid season. The fact that he’s been average offensively instead of terrible – as he was the past two years – has been a huge boost for this team. For that, he deserves credit.

    But let’s be realistic about his ceiling.

  208. randy l. November 2nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    “Not sure if you are serious about A-rod leading off but I feel like that’s a completely valid strategy. He’s the best hitter with the highest OBP, why not get him the most at-bats possible?”

    patrick-

    i was kidding because i don’t think girardi would ever do it, but i would love it if he would do it.

    the move is all about taking advantage of alex getting on base with two hot hitters in jeter and damon behind him and also the fact he’s get better pitches to hit to use his power.

    he’s already in scoring position when he’s at bat.
    it would be nice seeing him pitched to.

    girardi is too much of a traditionalist to make this move. it would take a billy martin type to do it.

  209. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    I agree with you about Posada. I really hope he is in the lineup. He is A-Rod’s protection. If they take Posada out of the lineup the phillies will continue walking or drilling A-Rod with no reguard.
    ====

    If the Phillies drill ARod again, that pitcher better get tossed. Whether he does or doesn’t, I’m bringing Bruney in if we have a decent lead and he’s throwing at Chase Utley’s head.

    Why else would you have Bruney pitch to Utley? :D

    Enough is enough.

  210. MR.OCTOBER November 2nd, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    KATE-12:52
    I agree totally. Lets have some patience and stand by these guys. They are all young players and have already proved they got what it takes to play in NY. Great point!

  211. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    I don’t want to see a smirking Lee. But something tells me he’d look like that even if he was getting shelled. :P

    Gardner and Posada would seem to be the smart way to go.

    And no, not wishing this goes back to NY so they can clinch at home. No.

  212. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    How many people would be on base for leadoff star Arod later in the game with Hairston/Gardner-Molina-pitcher at the bottom of the lineup?

  213. YankeeRay November 2nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    I have been saying for three days that if we were up 3-1 that we should start Gaudin and save a fully rested AJ for game 6 if we lost to Lee in game 5. You don’t ever want to throw away a WS game but to me this would be the time to do so considering our line up tonight.
    Now I wouldn’t categorize it as throwing away the game but I don’t like the matchup and I would rather pitch AJ at home with full rest than pitch both Andy and CC on 3 days along with AJ.
    Now AJ has pitched well before but I don’t think it’s necessary. Maybe Gaudin pitches well and we steal one but either way Girardi has mostly made the right moves.

  214. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    rconn23,

    I don’t want to get into this debate AGAIN.

    We’re on the cusp of clinching the World Series. Gardner should play over Hairston tonight.

    As for your premise, I’ve watched both players, in the minors, and in the majors, live.

    I’ve been a season ticket holder for years. I have no quibbles about who is better. I have enough firsthand evidence to support my view.

    You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

  215. Erin November 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    ====

    If the Phillies drill ARod again, that pitcher better get tossed. Whether he does or doesn’t, I’m bringing Bruney in if we have a decent lead and he’s throwing at Chase Utley’s head.

    *************

    Too bad Melancon’s not on the roster. That would show them ;)

  216. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    Let’s put it this way. If Cano could hit just a little bit better with RISP, he’d be the perfect player.

  217. MR.OCTOBER November 2nd, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Arod hit 3 times. I doubt its on purpose but still cant risk retaliating at this point. Although big lead going into the 8th i wouldnt mind seeing Utley backed off the plate a little. I would say buzz him early in the game but I do not want to mess around with AJs emotions or for that matter with his movement on pitches risk getting him ejected once warnings are issued.

  218. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    By the way, congrats to the World Champion Phillies on their repeat. :(

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yv4m...../s1600-h/1

  219. jennifer November 2nd, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    October-

    He was hit twice in the same spot! It most definitely was on purpose.

  220. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Is Pedro lined up for a game 6? At Yankee Stadium?

    Please, boys, please get this done. We don’t need another “I’m the King of New York” circus with Pedro.

  221. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    As Keith Law said last night, for every ball he hits in the air Gardner should be forced to do 50 push-ups.
    =====

    Haha. I’d settle for some offseason “punishment” working with K-Long. He’s still a young guy and K-Long can help him understand he has to change his approach.

    Level swings have been effective for him, when he employs them. Bunting more is also critical to his survival in MLB.

  222. CB November 2nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    randy,

    I’ll answer your two questions in reverse.

    On Utley –

    One of the tough things about last night’s game was that warning to both benches.

    I really thought CC needed brush Utley back in last nights game. He had to throw high and tight and get him to move his feet.

    Utley has fantastic bat speed. Just phenomenal bat speed. He can stand on top of the plate and still now that he can hit inside pitches. That in turn gives him great plate coverage and the ability to crush pitches over the plate by dead pulling them.

    I don’t know how much power utley has to center field or the opposite way. I’d have to look that up. Everytime I see him play though he seems to crush the ball by pulling it. Maybe it’s just my memory or this series. But that’s what I remember.

    So the yankees need to brush Utlet off the plate.

    With Lee – first off they need to keep stepping out of the box, calling time outs, taking off their batting gloves, rechecking signs with the bench, etc.

    That was one thing I was really surprised to see in game one – they just let Lee dictate tempo. That is partly under their control and they need to stop his madcap pacing.

    (on another note – Joba should really learn something from Cliff Lee…)

    I think the yankees are going to have a walk a fine line. Lee walks no one so if they get a good pitch to hit early they must swing.

    That said, I think Lee is going to look to expand the zone early in the count tonight to change up what he did in game one.

    Finally – the yankees must take Lee the other way. This is especially true of Tex. Trying to pull that knuckle curve and change up is just not productive unless Lee makes a mistake.

  223. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Oh, to hear McCarver bring up out of the blue in the 7th, “Again, there was no intent by Blanton”.

    I was “Okay, Tim. We get it. Enough already.”

  224. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Erin
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
    bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
    ====
    If the Phillies drill ARod again, that pitcher better get tossed. Whether he does or doesn’t, I’m bringing Bruney in if we have a decent lead and he’s throwing at Chase Utley’s head.
    *************
    Too bad Melancon’s not on the roster. That would show them
    ======

    LOL.

    Oh, the irony. Melancon will be giving clinics on control before long.

  225. haiku-man November 2nd, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Yahoo sports reporting,Jimmie Lee Solomon,Exe VP for baseball operations,said the camera(in the questionable Alex HR)was never suppose to hang over the fence
    .
    “Get it back and keep it back,” he said MLB told Fox.

    Fox network tried to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
    Fox spokesman,Lou D Ermillo said,”The edge of the camera lens is completely inline with the top of the wall.”

    Methinks, MLB kicked Fox’s butt, for the improper placement of the Camera hanging over the wall.Maybe kruk will shut up!!

  226. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    randy,

    That’s pretty good reasoning I think. A-rod in the leadoff spot would be a nice change and I think it would pay off. However, you are right there’s no way Girardi makes that move. Especially considering how well the Yankees are playing thus far.

    I think it might be a smart thing to do considering how good Lee is. Shake things up a bit. Like you said, it’s something Billy martin would do.

  227. Mr. Exceptional November 2nd, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    I believe the Yankees get this done tonight. I honestly believe Lee’s luck will run out and he’ll get hammered.

    Just call it a hunch.

  228. vin November 2nd, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    “As Keith Law said last night, for every ball he hits in the air Gardner should be forced to do 50 push-ups.”

    He stole that from the great manager Lou Brown.

  229. JasonR November 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Well, it’s too late for Girardi to use Gaudin. It’s going to be AJ on the hill tonight. I have faith that he can get us into a situation where Mariano Rivera on the mound with a chance to win the World Series.

    And if I’m wrong, an early congratulations to all the fans who may be right if the three days rest plan falls apart. I hope you enjoy your “See I told you!” trophy along with your “I was right!” rings.

  230. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com.....72792.html

    see the headline typo in the article to the left of the ad.

  231. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    m
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:14 pm
    Is Pedro lined up for a game 6? At Yankee Stadium?
    Please, boys, please get this done. We don’t need another “I’m the King of New York” circus with Pedro.
    ====

    Thanks to the Pedro sideshow, AJ didn’t really get the kudos he deserved for that brilliant performance.

  232. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Mr. Exceptional,

    I was actually looking forward to seeing Cliff Lee on short rest, since he’s never done it before.

    But it works out. At least we won’t potentially see Lee 3X this series.

  233. Mike November 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    “I’ve watched both players, in the minors, and in the majors, live.

    I’ve been a season ticket holder for years. I have no quibbles about who is better. I have enough firsthand evidence to support my view.

    You are entitled to your opinion, of course.”

    ———

    Your perception & educated observations are simply uncalled for, bod.

  234. CR9 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    m
    Yeah, Tim. No intent, whatsoever ;)

    I loved hearing Joe bring up the thrashing of the Giants repeatedly throughout the game. Like the more times he mentioned it, he might convince himself that he is not the sick friendless perverted loser that he is.

  235. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    bodhi,

    Hopefully, the Yankees will be getting some major love tonight!

  236. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    m
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
    Let’s put it this way. If Cano could hit just a little bit better with RISP, he’d be the perfect player.
    ====

    The thing about Cano is, his upside is so high, and his ability to hit a pitcher’s pitch meaningfully, it wouldn’t suprise me if he has a big game.

  237. The_Kiid November 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    say it ain’t so, chan…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

  238. randy l. November 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    “How many people would be on base for leadoff star Arod later in the game with Hairston/Gardner-Molina-pitcher at the bottom of the lineup?”

    good point nick in sf, but if no one is hitting behind him and jeter and dmano are on base with one or two outs because teixeira has made another out, why do the phillies thorw strikes to alex.

    say he walks and there’s one out and the bases are no loaded.

    cano comes up.

    how do we feel?

    not good .

    say cano strikes out on three pitches out of the zone. then who’s up? swisher.

    he has shown some life , but lee should be able to pick him apart with his command.

    so even with damon and jeter on, the phillies don’t really pitch to alex.

    if he led off every at bat they’d have to pitch to him.

    i’m just playing devils advocate here because it won’t happen that alex will lead off.

    it does show though how important having posada behind alex is though.

    maybe girardi should hit molina behind alex so posada gets behind him asap when molina gets pinch hit for.

    i’m joking. i’m joking.

  239. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Good catch, Gardner in CF, ‘Alexrod’ instead of ‘Axelrod’.

  240. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Bods,

    With all due respect, Gardner is a better defensive player than Cabrera. He’a a late inning defensive replacement there for a reason.

    ______

    Gardner is a defensive replacement for Swisher. Melky is stronger so he moves to right. Gardner coming in is no reflection on Melky. In fact, it shows Melky is more versitile and stronger than Gardner.

  241. Ralph Kramden November 2nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Erica:
    Jeter
    Damon
    Tex
    A Rod
    Swisher
    Cano
    Hairston
    Molina
    Burnett

    “Step to the back of the bus”

  242. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Oh, duh, it’s in the article. Well, almost a good catch.

  243. Jeremy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    I wonder if Cliff Lee will have some fresh pine tar tonight.
    I know he will since he knows this is a big game.

  244. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    m
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
    bodhi,
    Hopefully, the Yankees will be getting some major love tonight!
    =====

    My brother just emailed me about us hauling down the Turnpike to see the clinching game. My GF intercepted the email and is now trying to convince me we should go.

    I am tempted. I’d ask you to join us, but I think it might be a bit much for you, all the way from Hawaii ;).

    It wouldn’t be the first time I watched my team clinch a championship on Philadelphia soil. Hmm……

  245. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    No way you allow AJ to ‘brush’ the batters back. We are up 3-1. You want to hurt the Phillies and get revenge? How bout making their fans and players watch the Yankees celebrate #27 tonight on their field.

  246. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    The Yankees are currently +137 underdogs on the moneyline tonight. For entertainment purposes only.

    Patrick, if you would like to contact me to settle up, email me via my flickr page. Just take the screen name there and add @yahoo.com to reach me.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....otostream/

  247. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    brushing batters back doesn’t mean hitting them and hurting them. It means pitching inside so they are mindful of the inside pitch and therefore struggle against pitches away.

  248. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    lol, Bodhi. The weather here more than makes up for Tim-Buck-Too.

    Jeremy,

    Did you notice how filthy Blanton’s hat was, too? I saw that he had the world series patch on it, though. Do they just stick on to their old hats at the player’s request? Or is that a fresh “dirty” hat.

    And Joba with the sweat stains. Maybe he should change caps? :P

  249. Rishi November 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    did you all see this?:

    ===================================================

    Newspaper apologizes for incorrect adComment Email Print Share Associated Press

    PHILADELPHIA — A Philadelphia newspaper has apologized to readers for mistakenly running an ad congratulating the Philadelphia Phillies on winning back-to-back World Series titles.

    The New York Yankees held a commanding 3-1 lead in the championship as of Monday, the day the ad was printed in the Philadelphia Inquirer.

    The three-quarter-page Macy’s ad is on the back of the front section and features a T-shirt with the Phillies logo, the commissioner’s trophy and the phrase “Back To Back World Series Champions.”

    The Inquirer released a message to readers saying the paper deeply regrets the error.

    Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

  250. Benjamin November 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    I know it’s felt like a rough stretch for the Yankees, but tomorrow morning (hopefully–maybe Thursday morning, if the Yankees are “feeling nice”, Jimmy) the debate will begin about the best team of the decade (2000-2009). Yes, you can make the argument that the Yankees and Red Sox will be even-steven, but come on:

    Yankees:

    2 World Championships (crossing fingers)
    4 Pennants
    8 Division Titles
    9 Post Season Appearances

    Red Sox:

    2 World Championships
    2 Pennants
    1 Division Title
    6 Post Season Appearances

    The Sox had a nice decade, but even with a cold stretch (that felt like an ice age) the Yankees still matched them and statistically out did them.

  251. CR9 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Jeremy
    Good one. I wonder if he’ll be getting pitches 10 feet out of the strike zone called strikes like Cy Blanton did through the first 4-5 innings of yesterday’s game.

  252. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Mike
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
    “I’ve watched both players, in the minors, and in the majors, live.
    I’ve been a season ticket holder for years. I have no quibbles about who is better. I have enough firsthand evidence to support my view.
    You are entitled to your opinion, of course.”
    ———
    Your perception & educated observations are simply uncalled for, bod.
    =====

    For some reason, I feel like I know you….do I? ;).

    I have limited my forum hopping, these days. I may give up the boards altogether after we clinch. Too much garbage for too few gems.

    (That’s not directed at anyone currently in here – it’s more the Imback and Mac Daddy vermin that haunts the game threads, but alas, they’re not unique).

  253. jennifer November 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Mike is on drugs. He says if Philly beats us we are against the wall cause we threw out best out there instead of just throwing Go-Dan. Yep so lets throw Go-Dan and give up the game.

  254. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    I hate pitching AJ tonight esp. because I hate Andy on short rest, but Francesca is giving game 6 to the Phils already.

  255. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Some interesting discussion on this board today folks.

    I reiterate my previous questions- Can the LoHud servers survive a Yankee World Series win tonight?

  256. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Nick -

    Email sent

  257. the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    some of the stuff discussed on this blog is just amazing:

    ‘bat Gardner 9th and AJ 8th’. Show me one time in major league history where that has happened unless it was Babe Ruth (he used to pitch, I believe) or another pitcher who could really hit. AJ’s career batting average is .132.

    ‘trade Cano’-not in this lifetime unless you get a perennial All Star starter like Felix Hernandez (which won’t happen). Cano is 26, hit well over .300 this year, will most likely win the Gold Glove and is still improving. The same ones who are criticizing him were probably convinced that Arod would never come up big in the postseason.

    ‘activate Guzman, no, Pena, no, Cervelli’- like it really matters. It’s the 25th player-how much have Hinske and Gardner played so far?

    I haven’t even mentioned the whole Posada crap but where would the Yankees be without his 5 RBI’s in the World Series? Plus, don’t you think his talk with Joba last night was an indication of the leadership role he plays?

    I wonder how many of you actually watch the games to learn something or is it just an exercise to show yourself you are smarter than the manager and all the players. I read commments after Jeter tried bunting with 1st and 2nd last week late in the game (not a great choice but far from the worst of all time) that he was a ‘moron’. That’s really embarrassing coming from alleged fans when you are calling a 1st ballot Hall of Famer who has made more baseball-smart plays in important spots than anyone else in the last 50 years a ‘moron’.

    What a bunch of fair weather, no nothing fans…

  258. Dano in England November 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    CB – love your posts, thanks for all your insight.
    Can I just ask you – you always seem to refer to John Lackey as “Lackeye”.

    Bear in mind I’m in England, so maybe I’m missing something that’s obvious to you guys? Or is it a typo (GB7 taking down your dictates)!?

    Just interested…

  259. Trevor November 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Hate to say it but I’m with Francesa on this. Burnett should be pitching game 6.
    If it works out for the Yankees tonight great but if not Pettitte on short rest I’m not feeling good about.

  260. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    PHILADELPHIA — A Philadelphia newspaper has apologized to readers for mistakenly running an ad congratulating the Philadelphia Phillies on winning back-to-back World Series titles.
    =====

    Lol. Only in Philadelphia.

  261. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    I need to stop listening to Francesca he is making it seem like if the Philies win tonight, they will win the World series.

  262. tampayank November 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Francessa is throwing out doom and gloom scenarios…pretty much saying the series will be in danger if the Yanks lose tonight b/c everyone is going on short rest the rest of the way

  263. jennifer November 2nd, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Besty he is giving game 5 and 6 to the phillies.

  264. Jeremy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    At first I was for A.J. pitching on short rest but I think that the Yankees should hold him for game 6.

    Pitching Andy on 3 days rest doesn’t sound good to me.

  265. Wave Your Hat November 2nd, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Hairston has played CF enough to justify his starting tonight. He’s not as good as Gardner defensively, but IMO he’s more likely to contribute offensively than Gardner.

    If you start Gardner in CF, then IMO you don’t start Molina.

    One or the other, not both.

  266. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Trevor
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
    Hate to say it but I’m with Francesa on this. Burnett should be pitching game 6.
    If it works out for the Yankees tonight great but if not Pettitte on short rest I’m not feeling good about.
    ====

    Trevor, if Burnett pitches the way he’s capable in Game 5, maybe there is no Game 6. So why save him for a game that might not exist? He can pre-empt himself!

  267. Hokiehill November 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    the Phillies made the mistake of hitting ARod and lighting a fire that has lead to him impacting the last 2 games in no small way. why would anyone want us to extend them the same courtesy? I would prefer the Yankees just douse the Phillies’ visitor club house in champaign…

  268. CB November 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Dano,

    It’s just a typo. My posts are long and I type fast. There was nothing particular about Lackey or his name.

  269. champ809 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Patrick
    November 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 am
    “Girardi is the Mgr and he hasn’t agreed.

    There is an argument on both sides but Girardi’s vote trumps all other here.”

    Wow really? I thought this was a democracy and that all of our votes count!

    I know Girardi makes the decision, I’m saying that I think he’s wrong. I hope he proves me wrong and starts Posada tonight. If he doesn’t our 5-9 hitters will basically be automatic outs.
    **********************************************************

    Patrick-
    it really is kind of moronic on your part to say that Girardi “is wrong” to stick with Burnett/Molina.
    fact #1. the pairing has worked beautifully in the postseason so far. if you strip out the 1st 12 pitches of game 5 in LA AJ has an era of under 2.00 over 24 1/3.

    fact#2. IF you are going to throw AJ vs. Lee and go for the kill you absolutely need to get a shutdown performance from AJ to win that game as Lee most probably isn’t given up many runs.AJ has been a much better pitcher throwing to Molina than Posada this year.period.

    fact#3. one of Molina’s real skills is how he frames pitches which lead to extra called stikes on the edges,very important to a guy like AJ who has tremendous movement from the middle of the plate to the edges.Many of his Ks are called strikes because the hitter tends to see the movement and give up on the pitch thinking that it’s moving out of the zone.If Jose “frames” 5-6 pitches that become strikeouts that could be the difference between 7innings/1run/9ks and 5 1/3innings/5 runs/4 ks…..

    which AJ gives the Yanks the best shot tonight in your opinion?

    if Girardi and the powers that be are that concerned with throwing that lineup on the field tonight in Philly then you start Gaudin/Posada and go with a fully rested AJ/Molina in game 6 if needed.

    the fact that AJ had a great start with Posada in July vs. Boston means nothing right now. It’s October World Series game 5 for the title. If it aint broke don’t fix it!

    TTTTTTHHHHHHHEEEEEEEE YYYYAAAAANNNNNNNKKKKKKKEEEEESSSSSSSSS WWWWWWWIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  270. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    I just want the yankees to win tonight and get it over with, I don’t want to hear about 2004 anymore :-(

  271. tampayank November 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    I really have the feeling it ends tonight…I think the Yanks will hit Lee better tonight w/o pine tar

  272. Andrew November 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    “pretty much saying the series will be in danger if the Yanks lose tonight b/c everyone is going on short rest the rest of the way”

    So, the Yankees won’t adjust to Pedro in Game 6 and will still not be able to score off him? Cole Hamels will come back from his already-started offseason and magically rediscover his mojo in Game 7? Or, Cliff Lee will start that game on 2-day’s rest and be better than CC? Or JA Happ will start? Or maybe Brett Myers?

    Yankees have the edge regardless of what happens tonight, and regardless of 3-day’s rest. Andy will pitch with reckless abandon if he has to go on Wednesday, and I expect him to gut out a good game at home, if necessary.

  273. Jeremy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    CR9
    Yeah Pine tar and the umpires are Lee’s best friend.

  274. jennifer November 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    tampa, he’ll probably have Vaseline under his cap.

  275. Trevor November 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Burnett can pitch great and the Yankees could still lose to Lee.
    It also doesn’t help that Lee will be facing a very weak lineup. They won’t be pitching to Arod tonight.

  276. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    6 hours and 23 minutes until Game 5!!!!!!!!

  277. Andrew November 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Oh and tampayank my post was not actually directed at you since I know you are re-iterating Francesa’s comments, just sort of general observation about how doom and gloom doesn’t add up to logic

  278. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Gaudin/Posada would be preferable to AJ/Posada?

    :roll:

  279. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Is anyone else getting work done today?

    People have been coming up to me all day long to discuss the Yankees

  280. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    some of the stuff discussed on this blog is just amazing:

    ‘bat Gardner 9th and AJ 8th’. Show me one time in major league history where that has happened unless it was Babe Ruth (he used to pitch, I believe) or another pitcher who could really hit. AJ’s career batting average is .132.

    Tony LaRussa used to do it all the time. Think about it, with a pitcher, Burnett is not going to have more at-bats than Gardner. If anything late in the game it becomes a pinch hitter in front of Gardner.

  281. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    “it really is kind of moronic on your part to say that Girardi “is wrong” to stick with Burnett/Molina.”

    Oh ok thanks champ.

    If only I wasn’t such a moron :(

  282. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Jen, the lineup tonight is awful – it really is. I’d be shocked if the Yankees won tonight because it’s very easy to pitch around Alex. Cano is dreadful, Tex is a bit less than that….AJ will have to pitch a perfect game to win.

  283. mick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Lefty Cano batting 5 is silly. Let Swisher bat 5th. Or better yet, make up an injury for AJ, throw Gaudin, bat Posada 5th, throw AJ at home in 6. Andy 7, if necc. CC to back him up early if needed.

    Going for the kill is commendable but the odds are against us tonite.

    Tell me there won’t be panic if Andy gets hit around early in 6.

  284. steveoh November 2nd, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Patrick, I know A-Rod wouldn’t lead off every inning. My point was, you need good players hitting ahead of him who get on base, not 8/9 hitters (especially like tonight).

  285. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/mlb/p.....id=4615712

    Complete analysis of the two stolen bases on the same pitch.

    Interestingly J-roll took the blame. Had he yelled to Lidge to cover first, would that have affected Johnny’s decision to go?

  286. CC Bigs November 2nd, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Tonight’s Yankee lineup is going to be missing three starters (Matsui, Posada, Melky). Why throw Burnett on short rest against Lee tonight? Let AJ get full rest and win Game 6.

  287. 86w183 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    I think we debate the decision to start AJ until the cows come home (which never happens in the Bronx) but it’s impossible to say the decision is clear cut.

    There are pros and cons to each side of the argument and my main concern would be how the pitchers involved feel about it. If the Yanks win it all it’ll be a great decision and if they don’t it won’t be.

    It does seem like a six man lineup today, though.

  288. jpb1973 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    All we need tonight is a a rainout. It would allow AJ to go on full rest tomorrow. Where is Kevin Costner when you need him?

  289. Bronx Bombers Girl November 2nd, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Good Afternoon All…

    This has been some baseball weekend. I was away from the blog but thankfully not away from Yankee baseball.

    On Saturday, I spent Halloween with my 1 month old godson and I took the opportunity to get him his first Yankee outfit and introduce him to a winning team. It looked great on him and we won!

    Last night, since they had announced they were opening up Yankee stadium to watch on the big screens, my brother, cousins and I decided to go. It was amazing to be there (kind of funny watching with no one playing on the field). However, we had to leave during the 4th inning because the people right behind us ranging in age from 13 to 20 something were so vulgar and my little cousins or anyone of the little ones who were there should have been subjected to the kind of language they were using. In retrospect, I should have told one of the police officers about there abnoxious behavior and smuggling liquor bottles into stadium. My cousins went back to Jersey and my brother and I ended watching the remainder of the game in a bar. It was an awesome game.

    Erica, when Damon started that in the 9th. I was thinking I hope wherever she is she is jumping up and down for her PBF! :)

  290. Mike November 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    “For some reason, I feel like I know you….do I?

    I have limited my forum hopping, these days. I may give up the boards altogether after we clinch. Too much garbage for too few gems.

    (That’s not directed at anyone currently in here – it’s more the Imback and Mac Daddy vermin that haunts the game threads, but alas, they’re not unique).”

    ———

    Hmmm, I’m not sure, you’ve got me thinking now.

    You said it. And vermin is the most appropriate word for their ilk.

  291. 7789 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    I agree with starting Burnett on 3 days. Burnett has really good numbers on 3 days rest. Gaudin has pitched 1 inning in basically a month. He does not have good numbers against lefties. The philly lineup is made to hit Gaudin.

    My only concern is if Posada is not in the lineup. You need to put your best possible lineup out there to score runs against Lee. To expect Burnett to not give up a run is unrealistic against the phillies in there bandbox of a stadium. These games in philly will more likely be slugflests than a pitchers duel.

  292. JasonR November 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    “Interestingly J-roll took the blame. Had he yelled to Lidge to cover first, would that have affected Johnny’s decision to go?”

    I would like to think that Johnny would have still stolen third if Lidge ran to first :)

  293. jaybird November 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Mike not down with the short rest scenario as I expected.

  294. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Should I stay or should I go?

  295. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Bronx Bombers Girl
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Erica, when Damon started that in the 9th. I was thinking I hope wherever she is she is jumping up and down for her PBF!

    ******

    Hahaha. There was in fact, jumping up and down and skipping :-) And a few victory laps :-)

  296. MR.OCTOBER November 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    How about Tim McCarver comparing CC to Tom Brady. Ummm Tim most Yankee fans dont like Tom Brady too much!

  297. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Hate to say it but Francesca is making a really good case on not starting A.J tonight, Lee has let up 1 earned run in 4 starts he has had 2 complete games, THAT’S INSANE!!!!!

  298. tampayank November 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    for the record I don’t agree w/ Francessa…I like what Girardi is doing….Goudan is not a guy you start in my opinion..he was unknown for the most part a few months ago…..if the Yanks lose tonight, Pettitte will grind his way to give the Yanks a chance to win Game 6 at home…it’s easy to think of worst case scenario but this team is destined to win….also maybe the Phillies bats come out flat after a very deflating loss last night

  299. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    “Patrick, I know A-Rod wouldn’t lead off every inning. My point was, you need good players hitting ahead of him who get on base, not 8/9 hitters (especially like tonight). ”

    Ok that’s a good point

  300. MR.OCTOBER November 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    BODH-
    Stay!

  301. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Good catch, JasonR

    Had Rollins yelled to Lidge to cover 3rd, would that have affected Johnny’s decision to go?

  302. Erin November 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Bronx Bombers Girl
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:40 pm
    On Saturday, I spent Halloween with my 1 month old godson and I took the opportunity to get him his first Yankee outfit and introduce him to a winning team. It looked great on him and we won!

    ***************
    That’s adorable. You have the right idea with your godson-introduce him while he’s young! :)

  303. randy l. November 2nd, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    “So the yankees need to brush Utlet off the plate.”

    CB-

    you have often said how aj’s arm side run away from lefties gets him in trouble when his two seamer is really moving back to his arm side and the ball ends up in the middle of the plate.

    as a catcher, where do you give the target to get that inside pitch in on utley to make him move is feet ?

    you’d have to put the mitt behind him.

    one thing i’d do as a catcher is to tell the ump that utley is standing out of the batter’s box .

    the ump won’t penalize utley , but it’d tick him off. i like ticked off hitters as a catcher.

    it is a problem what to do with utley though. you mentioned the hole that howard has been. maybe all pitches 3-4 pitches outside is the way to go with utley.

    one nasty pitch aj could get away with no one on base is a nasty breaking ball in the dirt behind utley. the ball would bounce back towards utley and likely dumping him on his head as he skips rope .

    it is also a way to hit utley without it looking like they were trying to drill him.

    “it was a breaking ball ” would be the response.

    i thing we agree utley is a problem.

    pitching around him is probably best.

  304. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion November 2nd, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    I really wish the moderators had the liberty to ban posters that incessantly post idiotic comments that take away from rational Yankee discussions.

    Its the same old crap. SO sick of this.

    Trade Cano?

    Dreadful lineup?

    Please… just shut up and go away!

  305. Brandon AWESOME! (BECAUSE In New York! This song isn't what dreams are made of!) November 2nd, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    “Burnett can pitch great and the Yankees could still lose to Lee.
    It also doesn’t help that Lee will be facing a very weak lineup. They won’t be pitching to Arod tonight.”

    And still I’d pitch AJ tonight, b/c he’s the only one between himself/Gaudin w/ the ability to save the BP even w/ a good/bad appearance, you run Gaudin out there your dipping into Hughes/Marte/Robertson/Coke….you can’t guarantee that AJ will have it in NY, also what message do you want the lineup to go out there with, GI Joe believes in us or GI Joe didn’t give us the best guy to win tonight?

  306. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Hmmm, I’m not sure, you’ve got me thinking now.
    You said it. And vermin is the most appropriate word for their ilk.
    ====
    Mike,

    Are you in law school, or on the verge of law school?

  307. Jeremy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    I think Girardi should change his mind and pitch Burnett in Game 6. If the Phillies win who cares because the pitching will be lined up against them. I actually want to see the Yankees win it on there field.

  308. the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Gardner in CF
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    some of the stuff discussed on this blog is just amazing:

    ‘bat Gardner 9th and AJ 8th’. Show me one time in major league history where that has happened unless it was Babe Ruth (he used to pitch, I believe) or another pitcher who could really hit. AJ’s career batting average is .132.

    Tony LaRussa used to do it all the time. Think about it, with a pitcher, Burnett is not going to have more at-bats than Gardner. If anything late in the game it becomes a pinch hitter in front of Gardner.
    ————————————
    other than Rick Ankiel, who is a good hitter (obviously) show me one other case. And make sure it’s a fact supported by the actual lineup, not just some more made up bs.

  309. 7789 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    If Joba was actually stretched out I would of thrown him tonight instead of Burnett. But since the yanks decided to put him in the bullpen for the postseason. They pretty much decided they will only use 3 starters. Gaudin was never really a realistic option in there minds to start a postseason game.

  310. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    tex’s friend November 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Gardner is a defensive replacement for Swisher. Melky is stronger so he moves to right. Gardner coming in is no reflection on Melky. In fact, it shows Melky is more versitile and stronger than Gardner.

    I’d like to think Mantle in his prime was a better outfielder than Maris/Bauer/etc.

  311. Bronx Bombers Girl November 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
    Hahaha. There was in fact, jumping up and down and skipping And a few victory laps
    ******************

    It really was awesome. At first I freaked when he jumped off 2nd and started running toward 3rd. I did not realize the shift was on but then I was like oh yeah we got this. :)

  312. tk November 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    “the debate will begin about the best team of the decade (2000-2009). Yes, you can make the argument that the Yankees and Red Sox will be even-steven, but come on”

    I’m totally with you on this. I’ve heard the argument made in a couple of places (Baseball Today podcast and a Jayson Stark article), but if the Yankees win this World Series there is absolutely zero room for debate. The worst part of this debate was Eric Karabell on Baseball Today trying to make an argument for the Phillies if they won back-to-back titles to be team of the decade–despite the fact they’ve only made the playoffs 3 times. (Yeah, he’s completely objective.) Even without #27 I think the Yankees have an argument for team of the decade–two more WS appearances than anyone, 3 more playoff appearances, 7 more division titles than the RS (& 3 more than the 2nd place Angels), 45 more regular season wins, etc.

  313. disco stu November 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Gaudin has thrown 1 inning in a month … 9th inning of 10-1 against the Angels in the ALCS … that’s it.

    Are people who want to Gauding pitch tonight not the least bit concern that his inactivity would be an issue?

    Personally, I think starting Gaudin against Lee would have been sending the wrong message to the team … it would have been like Girardi saying to his team, “I know you guys are great, I know you are 1 win away from winning the World Series, but since Cliff Lee is pitching you have no shot at beating him … so let’s just mail in the game and wrap it up on Wednesday at home.”

    The Phillies are reeling, they probably feel that they could have been up 3-1 or at least tied 2-2, and you want to give them hope about getting back into the series before the first pitch has even been thrown … because how in the world would anyone honestly feel that Gaudin could come anywhere close to matching Cliff Lee?

  314. Scared of the Wall November 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    “Lee has let up 1 earned run in 4 starts he has had 2 complete games, THAT’S INSANE!!!!!”

    Lee is certainly overdue for a bad game….

  315. Trevor November 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    I can’t see a lineup with Molina Gardner Burnett Cano (who has been awful) scoring a bunch of runs off Lee tonight. Unless he is just down right hideous tonight. Which I don’t see either.
    Burnett is going to have to pitch a gem. Like 8IP 3H 0run variety.
    Not a whole like of benefits for the Yankees by pitching Burnett tonight.

  316. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Besty he is giving game 5 and 6 to the phillies.

    ___

    of course he is. because if the yankees win, he will have nothing to talk about until the 10′ signings begin.

  317. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion November 2nd, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    I’m sorry but Betsy is the worst poster in the history of this blog, including trolls.

    The team is one win away from a World Championship and all she can write about is how “dreadful” Cano is, how much of an “awful” idea it is to pitch AJ on short rest, and how Hughes needs to be more “accountable”.

    Its just clueless drivel from a full fledged nuerotic sociopath.

  318. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    I can’t see a lineup with Molina Gardner Burnett Cano (who has been awful) scoring a bunch of runs off Lee tonight.

    ___

    Trev, i hate to break this to you, but the A yankee lineup didnt do anything against Lee either…

  319. the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Gardner in CF
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
    tex’s friend November 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Gardner is a defensive replacement for Swisher. Melky is stronger so he moves to right. Gardner coming in is no reflection on Melky. In fact, it shows Melky is more versitile and stronger than Gardner.

    I’d like to think Mantle in his prime was a better outfielder than Maris/Bauer/etc.
    ———————————————–
    Gardner has no arm, that’s why he can’t play right field. Maris was just as good as the Mick and Bauer was a pretty good right fielder without the range to play center field.

  320. Hokiehill November 2nd, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    the pine tar and vaseline comments in regards to Cliff Lee remind me of Angels fans saying Mo spits on the ball…in other words, they sound pretty stupid. Lee has been dominant and looking for a reason other than the fact that he’s just a great pitcher looks a little desperate to me. Personally, I would love to have the guy pitch for the Yankees…that said, I think we touch him for a couple runs tonight with hits coming from unlikely sources…

  321. Bronx Bombers Girl November 2nd, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Erin
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
    That’s adorable. You have the right idea with your godson-introduce him while he’s young!
    ******************

    Erin, Absolutely! His Mom is a Yankee’s fan and this is the funny part His Dad is a red sox fan who is secretly rooting for the Yankees to win just because of AROD….I love it we are converting at least 1 for now…LOL. I can’t wait to be able to take my godson to a game @ Yankee’s Stadium. I know it is a few years off but just the thought of it makes me so happy! :)

  322. Coach6423 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    You pitch Burnett, It gives you a chance to win tonight, and sets you up with an advantage for the rest for the rest of the series. Pettite CC and Burnett on 3 days rest >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaudin at any point in time….

  323. haiku-man November 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    AS quiet as it’s kept,Lee has over 265 innings pitched,Manuel couldn’t trust him on short rest.

    CC has clocked 269 2/3 as of last night.

  324. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    I’d like to think Mantle in his prime was a better outfielder than Maris/Bauer/etc.

    ___

    Please tell me you arent using Maris/Mantle and Brett Gardner in the same sentence.

  325. randy l. November 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    “If Jose “frames” 5-6 pitches that become strikeouts that could be the difference between 7innings/1run/9ks and 5 1/3innings/5 runs/4 ks…..”

    you’re dreaming because if a catcher steals 1-2 pitches a game he’s doing well.

    framing a pitch is not going to steal 5 strikeouts.

    maybe one.

  326. tk November 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    “How about Tim McCarver comparing CC to Tom Brady. Ummm Tim most Yankee fans dont like Tom Brady too much!”

    I think that must be the only QB he knows. I mean, isn’t Peyton Manning kind of synonomous with audibles?

  327. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Wouldn’t changing your mind on game day be insane? Total panic move that Girardi wouldn’t consider. They’ve mapped out what they wanted to. I think win or lose yesterday, AJ was going to get the ball today.

  328. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    “Are people who want to Gauding pitch tonight not the least bit concern that his inactivity would be an issue?”

    Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

  329. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion November 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Anyone ever stop and think maybe Girardi knows his team better than all of you?

    Pretty much the last 3 games every move he has made has worked out.

    Only Yankee fans can find all these things to complain about when we’re up 3-1 in the WS.

    Insanity.

  330. MR.OCTOBER November 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    RANDY-
    Your 100% right with your 1:51 post

  331. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    miggs-

    I think we all understand by now that you don’t like Betsy. However, Betsy is a real person with feelings. I know, I have met her. I don’t understand why you can’t just scroll past comments you don’t like, or at least disagree with them in a much more civilized way. She happens to be a very nice person who just tends to worry more than most other people. I think its a sign of passion. Everyone is different, its the different points of view that makes this a great baseball blog

  332. Bronx Bombers Girl November 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    I can tell that I have a lot of reading to catch up on @ least the valid posts/opinions regarding tonight.

    Too bad about Melky and I hope it is nothing serious. I think that as long as our boys are making Lee work with his pitch counts and such that we could really do something.

  333. Brandon AWESOME! (BECAUSE In New York! This song isn't what dreams are made of!) November 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Explain to me why Fatcessa wants Gaudin pitching tonight, and now Andy can’t pitch in 3 days rest?

  334. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    “How about Tim McCarver comparing CC to Tom Brady. Ummm Tim most Yankee fans dont like Tom Brady too much!”

    I think that must be the only QB he knows. I mean, isn’t Peyton Manning kind of synonomous with audibles?

    ___

    I said the same thing last night. When i think of a QB who audibles, i dont think of Tom Brady, i think of Peyton Manning. I didnt even get his reference from the beginning. His reason for talking about audibling made no sense almost immediately, and he just kept talking about it.

  335. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Hey miggs,

    Maybe you should stop pulling punches and start speaking your mind! What do you really think?

  336. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    tex’s friend November 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Please tell me you arent using Maris/Mantle and Brett Gardner in the same sentence.

    Maris and Mantle are in the same sentence as Bernie and Paul O’Neil and now Gardner and Cabrera.

  337. yanks kiddd November 2nd, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    its jus da melk, not losin THAT much. not worried about it.

  338. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    MR.OCTOBER
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
    BODH-
    Stay!
    ===

    Thanks, dude. When the better posters are in circulation, like now, I’ll probably poke my head in. I just need to be selective, I suppose.

    Randy l. wrote a moving post the other day about old guard players and the lack of respect shown them by younger fans.

    I was duking it out on sites when all this Jeter contra ARod stuff got going, and then I decided, I’m fighting with 14-year olds who think sabermetrics is a new kind of candy.

    I never wanted to disparage Alex, or build up either player, at the other’s expense. The whole thing became so tedious. I now sort of lurk on one or two other sites to see if the group I can count on one had are about.

    I’ll give this to Lohud, there are more good posters here than anywhere else, but then, by the sheer numbers, the low is very low indeed.

    But I digress…GO YANKEES! Will I be among the crowd? The clock ticks and I have a weighty decision to make….

    Hope when I check back in here, we’ll be champions once more.

    This sounds giddy, but I have this feeling we can’t lose another game to these guys…Lee could throw cold water on that “hunch”, of course, as there’s nothing that defeats religion like good pitching….so, let’s go AJ!

  339. Brandon AWESOME! (BECAUSE In New York! This song isn't what dreams are made of!) November 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    “Only Yankee fans can find all these things to complain about when we’re up 3-1 in the WS.”

    Fatcessa is basically pleading over the air waves to tank a game.

  340. steveoh November 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Ok, so who else, when they first saw Damon take off for third, thought “what the… what is he doing??!!!”, until they the camera panned and they saw no one at 3B? :)

    I didn’t see before that play that they had a defensive shift and that’s what I thought.

  341. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    other than Rick Ankiel, who is a good hitter (obviously) show me one other case. And make sure it’s a fact supported by the actual lineup, not just some more made up bs.

    Just about the entire 2008 season
    http://www.baseball-reference......ores.shtml
    Check each box score.

  342. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion November 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Erica-

    Its because comments like that completely steer the conversation away from rational discussion because people spend half their posts trying to talk her down from her ledge.

    You would think after all this time and being wrong over and over and over again that something would sink in.

    But its the same song and dance every day the entire year.

    Sorry but its annoying to me as well as lots of other people that post here. I’m just one of the few that actually says something.

    If that makes me a bad guy and makes people dislike me, then so be it.

  343. m November 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    7789,

    That’s an interesting scenario that no one has brought up. But Joba’s not in the postseason rotation for a reason.

    He’s looking better as the postseason goes on, though. Got some zip back in the fastball.

  344. MR.OCTOBER November 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    TK-
    Peyton Manning would have been a great example! Tom Brady is this guy serious. The last thing a Yankee fan wants to hear in that spot is anything comparing a Yankee to a New England sports icon! Come on Tim get with the program!

  345. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    La Russa plans to bat pitchers eighth this year (from 2008)
    http://medialab.semissourian.c.....14289.html

  346. champ809 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    betsy
    November 2nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
    Bodh, the way Phil finished his season……I have less confidence now than I did before. I still think he’s going to be a stud, but even before, I felt he would struggle next year. His curve is erratic, his confidence is gone and he has no change up. It’s a pity, because he’d had such a wonderful season. Anyone expecting him to be lights out next year is going to be disappointed. Melancon? I know you love this kid, but he has to show a lot more as he was not impressive at all in his stints this year.”
    *********************************************************
    Betsy i think you’re completely wrong about Hughes “secondary” pitches.

    As a reliever you tend to focus on your 2 best pitches in Hughes case his 4 seamer and curve. Phil dominated the league out of the pen mainly just firinf his 4 seam fastball and dropping in the occasional curve for the second half of the season. He like most young pitchers i think fell in love with the fastball and seeing the 96,97 and occasional 98′s on the gun.He seems to be a little tired right now and he’s gone away from his curve a lil the last couple of weeks and it’s cost him.When he has thrown the curve he’s dropped in some beautiful ones ask Vlad.If he backs Vlad up with another curve in that spot i think he strikes him out and maybe everybody feels a lil different about Phil.

    As a starter next year i think you’ll see Phil use his full arsenal(4seam/Curve/Cutter and change) mixed with the confidence and conditioning and experience from this season i think he wins 15 games for us from the 5 hole.

    He is after all still 23 years old and just getting his feet on solid ground here but imo he’ll be okay,the talent is there and we’ll all be proud to have him for many years to come!
    Joba too!

  347. the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    all of you who are giving away this game as a lost cause should go tell the Yankee players that, I’m sure they would look at you like you were complete idiots.

    Some of the Yankees have had historically excellent numbers against Lee:
    Jeter .407
    Rodriguez .333
    Teixeira .391
    Swisher .333

    Posada also hits him well as does Matsui-they will both be available to pinch hit in clutch situations (assuming Molina is in the lineup).

    That’s half a lineup of guys that have shown they can do damage against Lee. If you are looking for an analogy, the Yankees were 1 hit by Roy Halliday this year but also hit him hard in a couple of other starts. Anything can happen tonight, including Lee pitching like crap. That’s why you go with your best and play every inning like it’s the last game of the season, the same way these Yankees have played all year.

  348. JasonR November 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    “Had Rollins yelled to Lidge to cover 3rd, would that have affected Johnny’s decision to go?”

    Definitely. But it was such an unusual play that you can’t really blame Rollins or Lidge. As Jayson Stark’s article says, it all happened so fast.

  349. mick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    m

    just imagine the panic in here if we get blown out tonite and it carries over into game 6 early vs andy….my god the 2nd guessing…. we are then looking at cc on 3 for a 2nd time and the phillies roaring back…just thinking out loud

  350. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Coach, I don’t see Andy on 3 days as any kind of advantage…..I think he’s going to struggle, despite what some pathetic, obsessive, looney-toons moron/putz/schmuck has to say

  351. steveoh November 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    I’ve been on the fence about Burnett vs Gaudin, but in the end I just can’t see almost forfeiting a game with Gaudin (it would be much worse than Blanton vs CC).

    I’ll still be worried about Pettitte on 3 days rest if we go to game 6 though.

  352. Mike November 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    “Are you in law school, or on the verge of law school?”

    ———

    Already graduated, so I guess I’m/you’re not him. Interesting coincidence, though.

  353. mick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    That’s why you go with your best and play every inning like it’s the last game of the season, the same way these Yankees have played all year.
    ———————————————
    Truth

    Good point.

  354. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    After taking everyone’s opinion into consideration I have come to the conclusion that the Yankees have a -100% chance of winning this game and any subsequent games.

    Oh well, it was a good run, see you in April!

  355. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Erica, thank you for defending me. I think the guy is sick in the head, but at this point, what can I do? I skip his posts and, when I feel like it, I vent. He just makes himself look bad, that’s all.

  356. Trevor November 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    I don’t have a problem with Burnett pitching tonight on 3 days rest.
    The problem with it is it compromises the lineup. The Yankees will be sending an NL lineup out there tonight. Against the Phillies best pitcher.

  357. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    “Coach, I don’t see Andy on 3 days as any kind of advantage…..I think he’s going to struggle”

    Why do you think he will struggle?

  358. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Patrick, maybe it would be nice for YOU to be on the other end of this lunatics tirades. Then you wouldn’t find it so funny.

  359. CR9 November 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Sam, Chad, and Josh, 26
    PLEASE REMEMBER Flash Points today!!!

  360. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    No one has brought up the ‘Joba start’ scenario because it’s a non-starter (no pun intended). It’s Joba’s failure to be even borderline dependable that put us in the position of going with a 3-man rotation or using Chad “I did badly in PetCo Park!” Gaudin.

  361. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion November 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Just go back through this one thread and read her comments.

    Then you can decide how those comments are different from pretty much everyone else that posts here.

    People can be as negative as they want….but at least have some clue what you are talking about or back it up with some sort of fact.

    Spouting off at the mouth about Cano being dreadful, Tex being “almost as dreadful”, issues with Hughes’ “accountability”, AJ, Pettitte, pretty much the entire roster.

    You would think the team was 60-100 if you just read those posts.

    You would also think after watching this team all year (and being wrong pretty much for 6 months straight) this person would wise up and make rational comments.

    But it has never happened.

  362. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Also, Erica, I apparently am not allowed to have an opinion that this POS disagrees with……..

  363. haiku-man November 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    About that shift play last night for Tex’s at bat,Manuel said the catcher was suppose to cover 3rd.He blamed it on poor communication

  364. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    AJ wins tonight, Jose for MVP!

    AJ’s nothing without him!

    Later, dudes and dudettes.

  365. the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Gardner in CF
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
    La Russa plans to bat pitchers eighth this year (from 2008)
    http://medialab.semissourian.c…..14289.html
    ———————————-
    and it worked so well they finished….

    4th in a 6 team division

    and the strategy was never heard from again in 2009. A failed experiment.

  366. Jeremy November 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    I can’t see the Yankees scoring a lot of runs of Lee with that lineup. Girardi should change his mind and pitch A.J. in game 6. They will win this series anyway so why take a chance.

  367. E-gawa November 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Cliff Lee pitched great the first game and he’s become a really good pitcher but let’s not overrate him too much. He is beatable. He does own a 5 era against the Yankees.

  368. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Patrick, because he hasn’t pitched on 3 days rest in years and because he said he was gassed after his game…..

  369. The Ghost November 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Does anyone think it was just a horrendous job by Buck and McCarver to totally ignore the fact that the Phillies had moved pretty much their entire infield to the right side of the field during the Teixiera AB? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen the shift used in such a situation. How do neither of them mention that? Such a total and absolute fail on their part. I wish people would hound them on that non-call in their future the way they love to bring up player’s past failures.

  370. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    bodhi, if you decide to go to Philly, godspeed and good luck!

  371. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    I just want a tie game after 7innings that is all im asking for. And I’m praying Lee stops his AMAZING pitching.

  372. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Ok, sorry for this, guys. It wasn’t my fault, but I did take it further than I should have. Whatever this guy’s problem is with me, I won’t be taking his bait anymore. Sorry about this all!

  373. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    “Patrick, maybe it would be nice for YOU to be on the other end of this lunatics tirades. Then you wouldn’t find it so funny.”

    miggs has ripped me apart in the past. As have other regular posters on here. I’m trying to not take sides, was just curious about your reasoning on the Pettitte issue.

  374. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    I’m thinking only positive thoughts :-)

  375. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    “Patrick, because he hasn’t pitched on 3 days rest in years and because he said he was gassed after his game…..”

    Oops didn’t see this until after I made my last post.

    It’s a gamble, I agree, but I think it’s a better idea than letting Gaudin start.

  376. haiku-man November 2nd, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    LaRussa has batted pitchers 8th often,nothing new,it drove STL Cards fans crazy with his over managing,he’s anal!

  377. tk November 2nd, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    tex’s friend,

    “His reason for talking about audibling made no sense almost immediately, and he just kept talking about it.”

    As the incomparable Joe Morgan would say, “His consistency is consistently consistent in that regard.”

  378. Bronx Bombers Girl November 2nd, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Woosah….Come on everybody just breathe! After all except for the trolls we are Yankee’s fans. Of course everyone is going to have different opinions and points of view. Much like a family that gets into heated arguments at times we are all rooting for the same cause…..YANKEE’S winning!

  379. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    Truth Squad –

    here’s a non-LaRussa manager batting his pitcher 8th:

    http://www.baseball-reference......7100.shtml

  380. the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    betsy
    November 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
    Patrick, because he hasn’t pitched on 3 days rest in years and because he said he was gassed after his game…..
    ————————————–
    Betsy, no offense but do you know the difference between being tired after a tough 6 inning start where you don’t have good stuff and struggle with every hitter and going out there fresh where you may have much better stuff?

    You should listen to Al Leiter sometime explain how pitch counts have nothing to do with fatigue, it’s all about how stressful each inning is. Gaudin hasn’t pitched in a month except for one mopup inning, he just isn’t a good option for a start and it sends the team the wrong message.

  381. charlestonchew November 2nd, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    I’d grab Pena.

    He’s the most versatile and his a better hitter than Guzman and Cervelli. Cervelli, though, can play 2nd base and catch.

    It’s a close one, but Guzman should not even be considered at this point. Having him is literally pointless.

    But I don’t think Melky will end up sitting because as a pinch hitter, I think he’s more valuable than the others are filling in.

  382. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Come on L0huders positive thinking :-)

  383. mick November 2nd, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    While it seems like a waste to throw Burnett tonite, look at last night’s game: Blanton vs CC, everybody in here had that game won before it started. We had to struggle for our lives to win that one. Anything can happen today as well. We are still in the driver’s seat, if up 3-2 and headed home, even with Andy on 3 days. Girardi knows this. Pedro and Hamels are not Koufax and Drysdale. He is rolling the dice with his best, which is his philosophy.

  384. m November 2nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    I think we’re all secretly worried about Andy on 3 days rest, but there’s nothing we personally can do about it. It’s in God’s hands. At least that’s what Andy would say. :P

    miggs,

    Shouldn’t you be trying to trying to figure out what Girardi’s going to do with the lineup tonight? :)

  385. the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Gardner in CF
    November 2nd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
    Truth Squad –

    here’s a non-LaRussa manager batting his pitcher 8th:

    http://www.baseball-reference……7100.shtml
    ———————————
    it’s a losing strategy by a losing manager. In this case the pitcher struck out 3X in a row and Jack Wilson was 2-2, explain how that helped the Pirates in the game.

  386. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    I’m waiting for the Yanks to win this thing before posting my complaints.

    Championships? THEY MEAN NOTHING!!!

    I also want to be the first to complain about 2010.

    It’s never too late to become the complainer you might have been.

  387. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion November 2nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    When was the last time Gaudin has pitched more than one inning?

    Sorry but I’ll take Burnett and Pettitte on 3 days rest over Gaudin on 25 days rest. LOL.

    That’s why you have a bullpen. Most of the bullpen is well rested. You pitch your guys and if one of them happens to not have his best stuff, you can always make a change.

    You just have a shorter leash during these games than you normally would.

    Personally I think Burnett is going to throw a really good game tonight. Its going to be a pitcher’s duel.

    Nick, what’s the total for tonight’s game? I’d play the under and pound it, but I can’t root against the Yankees scoring runs. If I was an impartial observer I’d put a lot of dough on the under.

  388. Scared of the Wall November 2nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Francesa has such little confidence in the Yankees, I’m not even sure why he roots for them… he’s better off being a Mets fan.

  389. betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Mm, Kay is no better than Francesca. He says that this decision could cost the Yankees the series. I hate it, but talk about being melodramatic.

  390. Neil November 2nd, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    There’s no guarantees that Cliff Lee will pitch the same as his last outing.
    Kevin Long has gone over video from Game 1 and the Yankee hitters know what adjustments will be needed.

  391. KF November 2nd, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Fatcessa is basically pleading over the air waves to tank a game.

    I’m going out on a limb here but I don’t think he’ll be getting a Christmas card from George Steinbrenner.

  392. stuart a November 2nd, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    if melky is out add cervelli.. allows them to deal with molina’s offense patheticness(made up word) much better…..

    I play gardner not hariston….

  393. mick November 2nd, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Francesa is a realist. He is exploring both sides of the issue. Isn’t that we are supposed to be doing?

  394. ty November 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Why is everyone so high on Lee? If he showed such dominance in a game 5 or 7 during the postseason then I could understand, but he really hasn’t pitched in an elimination game as of yet. That changes things imo. Dominating game 1 throughout the postseason is nice, but is he a stopper?

  395. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    and it worked so well they finished….

    4th in a 6 team division

    and the strategy was never heard from again in 2009. A failed experiment.

    The logic behind it makes sense to me. Burnett 8th wouldn’t see any more at-bats than Gardner 9th. When it comes down to it, you could pinch hit and have Matsui/Hinske and have whoever up in front of Gardner. And until that point, Gardner in front of Jeter-Damon-Teixeira is more effective than Burnett there. I think with Molina in the lineup, this would be a strategy worth some consideration. The only way batting Burnett 9th is effective is if he and Burnett can get on base.

  396. tampayank November 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Francessa is just negative to get a rise out of people which creates ratings

  397. Trevor November 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Pretty obvious Arod got hit on purpose.

  398. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    I mean, he and Molina*

  399. DT - OPPC member November 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Can you imagine Francessa if the Yanks # 4 pitcher was Bronson Arroyo and not Lt. Gaudin?

    All these false # 4 starting teasers would be driving him even crazier. It would be awesome… lol

  400. Brandon AWESOME! (BECAUSE In New York! This song isn't what dreams are made of!) November 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Micheal Kay sirs the pot, Fatcessa stirs it, dips his finger in and serves it to the morons. I mean srsly, you go for the kill. AJ vs Lee, Gaudin loses this game you give Philly life, they start believing 1 more game, just one more, tonight they know, they are going to be swinging off the shoe tops. THIS IS THE WORLD SERIES NOT A SEASON SERIES, NOT THE CYOs, YOU COULDN’T ASK FOR A BETTER SP TO DO IT.

  401. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    One more point about starting Burnett tonight.

    A lot of you are arguing that since Cliff Lee is pitching, the Phillies are going to win because he’s better than Gaudin and he’s also better than Burnett so it doesn’t matter how he faces. Therefore the Yankees should save Burnett for Game 6 and not waste him tonight.

    That’s just silly, if it were true why don’t the Yankees just forfeit? If they are going to lose anyways, why risk another injury?

    They play the games for a reason folks, pitching match-ups may favor one team over another but it doesn’t tell us with any certainty the outcome of a game. The fact is, pitching Burnett tonight on 3 days rest gives the Yankees a much higher chance of winning than pitching Gaudin.

    When he’s on Burnett can out pitch anyone, even Cliff Lee. Going with A.J. tonight is absolutely the right move by Joe.

  402. randy l. November 2nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    “I’ll give this to Lohud, there are more good posters here than anywhere else, but then, by the sheer numbers, the low is very low indeed.”

    bodhisattva -

    the irony of the good is that they don’t necessarily agree with each other. they just know how to fight fair.

    sparring is good . it’s make us all sharper.

    people that value the relationships on the blog need to fight for them and not let the troll like posters take over and drive the good away.

    i think the empathy towards murphydog and murphy last night shows there’s a very solid community here that knows how to put baseball the game in proper perspective.

  403. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Mm, Kay is no better than Francesca. He says that this decision could cost the Yankees the series. I hate it, but talk about being melodramatic.
    ________
    betsy, think positive thoughts :-)

  404. m November 2nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    I can’t believe it. mccarver has taken his crusade to national syndicated radio. We get it. The Phillies aren’t trying to throw at A-rod.

    And how’s his brilliant analysis? Thinks Lee will do well, but the Phillies will have to score runs for him. Duh, we think AJ will pitch well, but the Yankees will have to score runs for him, too! That’s the “flash points” of a pitcher’s duel. :roll:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  405. Triple Short Of A Cycle November 2nd, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    BTW when did Chad Gaudin become Bob Gibson?

  406. CR9 November 2nd, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    How could you start a guy who has not pitched but an inning in a month….

    And who has 3 different pronunciations of his surname. I mean, it could be GO-dan, GOW-dan, or GAW-dan. Has Chad ever clarified this lingering issue?

  407. mick November 2nd, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    all of you experts who are so sure of yourselves ….what do you expect these talk show hosts to say….they are paid to be devil’s advocates…

  408. miggs - GTLU Reigning Champion November 2nd, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Francesa is just looking for SOME controversy or anything to second guess regarding Girardi and his moves.

    He does have 5 1/2 hours to fill.

    Remember at the beginning of the series he said he hopes the Yankees win but if they lose it makes for better radio? He feeds off controversy (whether real or contrived) and loves to hear the fans go nuts.

    That’s the same reason he would open his show with the Mets 80% of the time during the year when the Yankees were the real story. The Mets were LOSING and he’s always going to focus on that.

    I’m shocked he didn’t open today with the Jets or Giants frankly.

  409. champ809 November 2nd, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    randy l.
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
    “If Jose “frames” 5-6 pitches that become strikeouts that could be the difference between 7innings/1run/9ks and 5 1/3innings/5 runs/4 ks…..”

    you’re dreaming because if a catcher steals 1-2 pitches a game he’s doing well.

    framing a pitch is not going to steal 5 strikeouts.

    maybe one.
    **************************************************

    go back and watch game 2 over again buddy and then come back and talk to me…Molina stole at least 6-7 strikes in that game not that tey were all strike threes. But 2-1 and 1-2 are totally different situations on the world series stage…agreed?

  410. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    8.5 is the number. If Molina catches, I’ll probably play it, because I like the additional 5 strikeouts he’ll get AJ with his pitch-framing artistry. ;)

  411. Triple Short Of A Cycle November 2nd, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Why doesn’t Francessa just tell the Yanks to forfeit tonight. At least they can save the pen that way

  412. the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Gardner in CF, you are basically saying your favorite player can’t hit because, if it’s the 5th inning and the 8th place hitter is up with the bases loaded and two out in a tie game you would rather have Burnett at the plate than Gardner. It’s not going to happen, the same way Gardner will never be the Yankees regular center fielder.

  413. tex's friend November 2nd, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    it kills me that you all still listen to francessa and get mad at what he says. IT IS HIS JOB!!!!!

    and you all buy right into it, and get really mad, while he is laughing right to the bank.

    His job depends on the Yankees playing and controversy existing.

  414. davidson November 2nd, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    See what happens when you get a whole lots of negative comments,on the day the Yankees need all their fans support?

  415. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Last time i checked isn’t Pedro and Hammels pitching games 6-7?

  416. Andrew November 2nd, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    All the back and forth about Betsy’s posts can be easily taken care of. The key to understanding and tolerating Betsy is to channel Rene Descartes: Betsy worries, therefore she is.

  417. CR9 November 2nd, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Betsy
    Be positive. Being a fellow worry wart myself, I take things pitch to pitch, AB to AB. Worry about today, today, and tomorrow, tomorrow. And worry about the HP umpire tonight. We cannot afford the HP umpire allowing Lee to get into a groove with cheap strike calls. I truly believe if not for the HP umpire in the first 4-5 innings of last night’s game, we might have had 6-8 runs at the least.

  418. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Hey I remember AJ vs Tazawa and that was supposed to be a match-up heavily in our favor.

    Anybody remember what happened that day?

  419. Triple Short Of A Cycle November 2nd, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    miggs,

    I disagree. The story will always be what team is doing the furthest away good or bad to what they were supposed to be doing. The Mets should have been the story for most of the year. They were a joke. Just like the Jets were the story the first 3 weeks when they were overacheiving. That is why the Giants are now the story

  420. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    it’s a losing strategy by a losing manager. In this case the pitcher struck out 3X in a row and Jack Wilson was 2-2, explain how that helped the Pirates in the game.

    It’s not so much about how the pitcher does. One could argue Wilson got better pitches to hit in front of the leadoff man. If the pitcher goes 0/3 with 3 ks in front of your leadoff man he’s certainly not on base for the top of your order. In that game Wilson led off the 3rd, 5th and 7th innings and got on base. He scored in the 3rd and 7th.

  421. Scared of the Wall November 2nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    “Remember at the beginning of the series he said he hopes the Yankees win but if they lose it makes for better radio? He feeds off controversy (whether real or contrived) and loves to hear the fans go nuts”

    Yup, he was praying for Burnett and Molina to screw up, I think it was during Game 2 of the ALCS, because the postgame would be more exciting and he would get more callers. At least he’s honest about it, it’s quite obvious that ratings are more important to him than the Yankees winning another WS.

  422. Patrick November 2nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Hey look, Chan Ho Park uses a spitball in last night’s game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuDZVJ8Hd8I

  423. DT - OPPC member November 2nd, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    new post :arrow:

    flash cards are up.

  424. Triple Short Of A Cycle November 2nd, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    tex’s friend,

    It is his job to always knock the Yanks?? I don’t remember him doing this throughout the Torre years

  425. Mark-Cant Touch This November 2nd, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Being Positive :-)

    I say Jose Molina and GGBG both have RBIs, im pumped about this game, ill worry about game 6 if and when we play a game 6.

  426. m November 2nd, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Hey, all this talk about framing pitches? Jorge’s looking good back there. Like he’s been working on it. Holding the glove steady. I think he looks great. And I forget what game it was. Probably Game 3, but I thought Jorge called a great game.

    Lots of visits to the mound, though, for Georgie.

  427. mick November 2nd, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Girardi is dealing from a position of strength.

    He is up 3-1 in this series, not down.

    He is saying to the Phillies, we are going to beat you at your own game. Look for a pitchers duel, maybe they both throw 9 scoreless innings and it comes down to the pens again.

  428. Brandon AWESOME! (BECAUSE In New York! This song isn't what dreams are made of!) November 2nd, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    I’m thinking what mindset do the Yankees favor, knowing after CC pitches AJ is always reved up to out do him.

    A. Philly in Gm.5 knows if we don’t hit, it’s over.

    B. Philly beats Gaudin, Gm.6 Philly in NY knows we are 1 win away from putting the pressure on them.

    You go for the kill, this team has a killer instinct I haven’t seen in awhile, and Philly has been down w/ a 9 count twice, KO them. :x

  429. CR9 November 2nd, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Bronx Jeers
    Tazawa? Who is Tazawa? Tazawa? Was he not supposed to be the next coming of some Hall of Famer?

  430. Erica - always OPPC November 2nd, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  431. Stuckey November 2nd, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    “I apparently am not allowed to have an opinion that this POS disagrees with……”

    That’s not Miggs point at all. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. But the season started last April 6th. In the last 7 MONTHS, for the last 6 of them the Yankees have clearly been the best team in baseball.

    The won at a 1998 pace from the day A-Rod came back to the line-up to RIGHT now. They were never really challenged in September to win the division and home field.

    The swept Minnesota, lost two games to Anahiem, now are up 3-1 to Philly. They haven’t been challenged yet much less put on the ropes yet you seem consistently convinced the Yankees are at a disadvantage in some respect during every game and series they play.

    Why the events of the last 6 months and 3 weeks specifically don’t seem to GUIDE YOUR THINKING is a perfectly reasonable question to ask.

    Let me say it again, YOUR 100% in your rights to ignore, disregard or misinterpret the history and evidence that’s right before your eyes. But I think its in everyone else’s rights to wonder aloud how someone can consistently just ignore the plainly obvious.

    “Passion” doesn’t explain it, I’m sorry.

    There is an intellectual element here.

  432. CR9 November 2nd, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    Love Jorge, but he jumps up too quickly much of the time rather than framing pitches. Even with nobody on base.

    Please tell me somebody remembers it. There was a 2-0 count last night and the ball, IMO, was right down the middle, but Jorge jumped up and dropped the ball, the ball may have gone to the backstop and it may have been with nobody on base, but it was called a ball to make it 3-0.

  433. sab November 2nd, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    by the way blanton had the same kind of “dirt” on his cap that lee had in the first game…

  434. Gardner in CF November 2nd, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Gardner in CF, you are basically saying your favorite player can’t hit because, if it’s the 5th inning and the 8th place hitter is up with the bases loaded and two out in a tie game you would rather have Burnett at the plate than Gardner.

    You know I’m not saying that. You could also have the pitcher up in the 9th spot in that situation. However if he doesn’t come through you have Gardner leading off the next inning in front of Jeter. Rather than if your number 8 guy (say it’s Molina) doesn’t come through you’re leading the 6th off with your pitcher, possibly a little too early to dig into your ‘pen.
    I guess we can put this debate to rest since we are the only two discussing it. I think it’s an interesting approach, and the logic behind it makes sense to me. Most people probably don’t agree. Enjoy the game.

  435. haiku-man November 2nd, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    Just wait,you will see a highly motivated Yankees team tonight.They have to be stoked with last night’s 9th inning play.They see the light at the end of the tunnel.

    Aj has said many times,it’s moments like this that brought him to the Yankees,he wants a ring.

  436. Rishi November 2nd, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    :arrow:

  437. champ809 November 2nd, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    mick
    November 2nd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
    While it seems like a waste to throw Burnett tonite, look at last night’s game: Blanton vs CC, everybody in here had that game won before it started. We had to struggle for our lives to win that one. Anything can happen today as well. We are still in the driver’s seat, if up 3-2 and headed home, even with Andy on 3 days. Girardi knows this. Pedro and Hamels are not Koufax and Drysdale. He is rolling the dice with his best, which is his philosophy.
    *********************************************************

    this example actually is a better argument for saving AJ for a possible game 6….
    on paper CC vs. Blanton is a huge mismatch,however by throwing CC on short rest with dimished stuff and command you even the playing field as Blanton was starting on normal/extra rest and that could be why he was more effective.
    it aint rocket science folks. Pitchers are creatures of habit and need to stay on routine to be most effective generally. One of the reasons that this is an isue actually is the screwy way that Yanks messed with Joba the second half of the season. I always thought the smarter approach was to shut him down for a month around the allstar break and them start him backup in Aug to have him humming for sept/oct playoff baseball like Detroit did with Porcello.

    the point being last night CC on short rest played up Blanton as he wasn’t as dominant and a less dominant AJ vs a fully rested Lee is advantage Phils…we have a great team and have hit Lee in previous years but not this team,this year.Hopefully we win at this is a moot argument

  438. JasonR November 2nd, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    I don’t know if this was posted anywhere, but here’s a YouTube of Metallica performing Enter Sandman with highlights of Mariano Rivera playing in the background.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-TrJrmC__0

  439. Jones November 2nd, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Hey in the World Series, Jorgie can visit the mound all he wants.
    1)I like that he’s being careful & making 100% sure they’re on the saem page.
    2) It was driving the Philly fans crazy- I like it

  440. sadf November 2nd, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    As a former Posada supporter, I definitely think Molina needs to be calling the shots this game. Molina was the catcher when Burnett pitched that gem a few days ago, and he knows what gets the Phillies lineup and how to respond to each hitter. There’s no doubt in my mind that putting Posada in is a gamble on the pitching side.

    The top of our order was very good. If we can get things going with our first 4 hitters, Cano and Swish should be able to help us out somewhat, if they are needed at all.

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