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Wrapping up a game that put the Yankees one away

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 02, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In the clubhouse after tonight’s game, someone asked Derek Jeter how smart Johnny Damon is. “Well, he called himself an idiot,” Jeter said. 

It must be a lot easier to make jokes when the team’s one win away from a title than if this series had been tied at two games apiece.

Tonight obviously hinged on Damon’s mad dash to third base. It was one of the smarter, more heads up plays you’ll see in baseball. The Yankees were on their toes, the Phillies were not, and that was the difference. With the infield shifted for Mark Teixeira, either the pitcher or catcher is supposed to cover third base on a stolen base. That didn’t happen.

“I think what I had to see before I could start running to third base was how Pedro (Feliz) caught the ball,” Damon said. “So I knew it drug him off some. I’m just glad that when I started running, I still had some of my young legs behind me… You know, it worked out, because I felt like being on third base, it possibly takes away a slider, a tough slider in the dirt that I may be able to score on. Alex got two fastballs. Hopefully it, well, it did work out for us.”

Third-base coach Rob Thomson said taking third base when the infield is shifted is something the coaching staff has talked to the players about, but he said he never told Damon to go for it tonight. The heads up sprint was the highlight of a rally that started with Damon’s nine-pitch at-bat, which forced Lidge to throw extra pitches. Getting to third put even more pressure on the Phillies closer.

“Against this outfield, they all throw pretty good and they play very shallow, even with two outs a lot of times it’s tough to score (from second) on a base hit,” Thomson said. “Just getting him to third base, now I know we’re going to score on a base hit or a wild pitch or a passed ball. A huge play.”

The view from the dugout was quite different. Jeter said he knew exactly what Damon was doing, but Joba Chamberlain said he had a “mini heart attack.”

“He stole two bases in nine seconds, I don’t know if that’s ever been done before,” Brett Gardner said. “That’s Johnny for you. He knew that Feliz was over there playing Tex to pull and he covered second. He got an opening and took it. I’ve never even thought about it. When he went to third I said, ‘Oh no.’ All of us did, because as soon as you see him get up and go, you assume that Johnny thought the ball got by him and went into center field. It didn’t obviously. When he took off and we realized nobody was at third base, it’s just heads up play. He fooled everybody.”

And put the Yankees one win away from their 27th championship.

UPDATE: Just got back to the hotel. The status of Melky Cabrera is that he strained his left hamstring. Won’t know much more until tomorrow. Saw someone else asked about audio. I might have a file or two that’s good enough to upload, but tonight was pretty insane on deadline and I’m not sure either Sam or I has anything that’s especially clear. We’ll check on it tomorrow. For now, I’m heading to bed.

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146 Responses to “Wrapping up a game that put the Yankees one away”

  1. Carl November 2nd, 2009 at 1:18 am

    what a game

  2. eric November 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 am

    i have game 6 tix, but the hell w/it, lets close it out tomorrow!

  3. Joe November 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 am

    Chad how about Melky???

  4. Betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 am

    Bodh, I’ve heard that on Michael Kay’s radio show – he’s ruined Mandy for me, lol – actually, it’s kind of cute.

    What did Mitch Williams say that was worthy of note? I’m going up in a few to watch my MLB tape

  5. Marcus November 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Can anyone tell me Burnett’s stats on short rest?

    Thanks

  6. Seven November 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 am

    Great win incredible play by Damon. I felt so bad for Joba after the 8th he looked like the lights out Joba. He was one strike away from getting the ball to Mariano. Glad Joba got the win.

  7. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 am

    He just said that Damon’s AB was the turning point in the game.

    On ‘Oh Andy’ – my GF sings it all day when he’s pitching.

  8. stanzy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 am

    That was the Johnny Damon that I love — and that I think has really been missing. Not the stolen bases, but that at bat. With 2 strikes he has not been slapping the ball the other way, fouling off decent pitches until he gets on he can handle. In that at-bat, he got back to that strategy. It’s what has made him such a pain in the neck for opposing pitchers, and a spark to his team’s offense. Frustrate the pitcher, fight your way on, and make something happen.

    Great to see him getting things together the last couple of games, after really looking almost lost, for a while.

  9. Marshbx22 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 am

    Any word on the Melkman?

  10. Joel November 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 am

    That game was INCREDIBLE!!! I was there with the crowd at the stadium and I’ll tell you what, that one game was definitely louder than games 1 and 2 COMBINED.

  11. Yanks09 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 am

    Has anyone else noticed that MLB failed to credit mo with last night’s save? Whichever company provides their statistics (Elias?) messed up and said there was no save recorded last night. You can check the box score from the Saturdays game on MLB.com. Even weirder, the box scores from SI and NYT have the same error (I guess they just feed from MLB)…trusty old espn is the only one that has it right…

  12. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 am

    Yeah, Chad, what about the status of the CF.

    BTW: Romine has a strained finger from catching a sinkerball. Not a big deal.

  13. stanzy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 am

    Oh, the two stolen bases were awesome, too. Didn’t mean I didn’t appreciate that. But that at-bat was just incredible.

  14. Shirley November 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 am

    Stealing two bases in nine seconds! Damon was simply amazing!

  15. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 am

    Leiter is way too bright for these bozos.

  16. stanzy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 am

    Yeah, haven’t heard anything about Melky from the time he left the field. Hope it’s not too bad.

  17. Sigmund November 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 am

    Johnny Damon — amazing. The at-bat, the steal, the mad risky genius successful second steal. In baseball terms, it doesn’t get more heroic.

    A-Rod — fantastic piece of clutch hitting. Though he’s 2-for-the-Series, I feel like he’s been an important presence every at-bat.

    Mariano — not 100% sure he’s human. In awe. Will tell my children, with goosebumps forming, that I saw him pitch.

  18. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 am

    It’d be sad for Melk if he isn’t on the field when we clinch.

  19. carlo November 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 am

    Food for thought:
    Country Joe West would be the HP ump in a potential Game 6 that would feature Andy and Pedro. Both guys will exploit the big strike zone.

  20. TKE019 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:34 am

    -I thought it was nice to see Posada give Joba a hug.
    -I hope Melky is good to go come tomorrow.
    -Mo is always a hero

  21. Mike November 2nd, 2009 at 1:35 am

    Only on this blog would Melky Cabrera and his injury be completely ignored yet feature several sentences of irrelevant commentary from Brett Gardner on a play he had nothing to do with at all.

    Too funny. Though all too typical.

  22. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:35 am

    MLB Network going to run ARod and Lidge interviews.

    Good win, guys. We clinch tomorrow.

  23. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 am

    Mike
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:35 am
    Only on this blog would Melky Cabrera and his injury be completely ignored yet feature several sentences of irrelevant commentary from Brett Gardner on a play he had nothing to do with at all.
    Too funny. Though all too typical.
    =====

    Melky hit .391 in the ALCS w/a .458 OBP and it was largely overlooked.

    Would appreciate an update, folks on the beat, there.

  24. DaveyD November 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 am

    Mr. November-Rod?

  25. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 am

    Reynolds making a lot of sense for a change.

    Talking about how thin we’ll be tomorrow if Molina catches AJ, along with Gardner subbing for Melky, and AJ batting.

  26. John November 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 am

    I, for one, am very distressed that Melky may be out of the game tomorrow, and, depending on the severity, possibly out of the Series.

    Melk is a classic under-the-radar guy, and has been producing this post-season, both in the field and at the plate.

    To have him replaced by the overrated Gardner makes me nervous. Melky has, for sure, has made his share of mental mistakes, but, from what I’ve seen, Gardner is a pair of legs without a brain to support them.

    If he’s playing tomorrow, Gardner better remember to bring his brain AND his bat.

  27. pat November 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 am

    Melky Cabrera suffered a mild strain of his left hamstring while running out a ground ball in the sixth inning of Game 4, leaving his availability in doubt for Game 5.

    “We’ll have to wait until tomorrow morning to see how he is,” Joe Girardi told the Daily News after the game. “I doubt he can play tomorrow.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....z0VgL4RLSC

  28. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 am

    Williams has reverted to form.

    Let’s save AJ for Game 6, rather than have him possibly pitch well enough tomorrow to preclude a Game 6.

  29. Marshbx22 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:45 am

    Thanks Pat

  30. vb03 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:46 am

    Has it occurred to Reynolds and Mitch Williams that we BURN out our bullpen for a possible Games 6 and 7 if we pitch Chad Gaudin?

    So you lose the game, AND burn out your bullpen.

    I’ll take A.J. Burnett on short rest, thank you.

  31. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:46 am

    pat
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 am
    Melky Cabrera suffered a mild strain of his left hamstring while running out a ground ball in the sixth inning of Game 4, leaving his availability in doubt for Game 5.
    “We’ll have to wait until tomorrow morning to see how he is,” Joe Girardi told the Daily News after the game. “I doubt he can play tomorrow.”
    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo…..z0VgL4RLSC,

    Thanks, pat. I hope Girardi isn’t serious about the option of starting Hairston in center. While I fundamentally disagree with the notion that Gardner is some great defender, he is much more reliable in CF than Hairston, who is fine on the corners.

  32. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus November 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 am

    You pitch Burnett because you go for the jugular. As nice as winning at home would be, it would be even nice to win in as few games as possible.

  33. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 am

    Why should that occur to them?

    They are narcissists who live to hear their own voices. They don’t carefully think out what comes out of their mouths.

    Although Reynolds is right about the bottom third of the order.

  34. Seven November 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 am

    LOL at people turning melky injury update into another melky vs gardner thing.Anyway I hope Melky is okay it be a real shame if he did injure himself seriously.

    But Girardi has to start Posada tommorow taking out him and Matsui will make the lineup too thin going against Lee. You might as well pitch Gaudin than if you were going to do that and save Burnett for game 6.

  35. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 2nd, 2009 at 1:49 am

    Of course you pitch AJ.

    There is no other way to approach Game 5.

    Goodnight guys.

  36. vb03 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:49 am

    TBH, the bottom of the order DOES scare me against Cliff Lee.

    Swisher is gonna be batting righty though, so that might be a good thing.

    But Gardner-Molina-pitcher doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

  37. Rob A from BBD November 2nd, 2009 at 1:50 am

    Damn Chad, you just know how to write great clean copy. I feel like you captured a key moment in tonight’s game perfectly.

  38. JasonR November 2nd, 2009 at 1:50 am

    “Has it occurred to Reynolds and Mitch Williams that we BURN out our bullpen for a possible Games 6 and 7 if we pitch Chad Gaudin?”

    Well, Game 7 is an all-hands on deck situation. The only pitcher unavailable would be Pettitte.

    Regardless, you play to win the game in front of you. You don’t play to win a game that might not happen.

  39. JZ November 2nd, 2009 at 1:50 am

    I have to admint I 100% agree with MLB’s analysis regarding pitcher choice of game 5.

    Basically you have to prepare for the worst scenario. You just cannot assume that all of sudden Lee will choke tomorrow in their home field and we should clinch. It’s nothing to do with faith. It’s more realistic. If we lose game 5, the whole thing is tricky and Yanks starting pitching staff are…, and likely we will play game 7.

    Now the contest is between fully rest Lee vs. short rest AJ.

    Hopefully I worry too much.

  40. Carl November 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 am

    Who cares. We play today. We win today. Dassit!

  41. vb03 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 am

    If there is a Game 6, Andy is pitching.

    If there is a Game 7, CC is pitching.

    No Gaudin. You can’t throw a starter that hasn’t pitched in a month in a World Series clincher.

  42. russomcbo78 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 am

    guys what happened with the audio interviews??

  43. Chris November 2nd, 2009 at 1:55 am

    With the exception of Mitch Williams’ constant stream of drivel, MLB Net simply blows ESPN out of the water as far as coverage & analysis go.

  44. 100 pitches of fun... November 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 am

    I really hope the strike zone is fair for both teams tomorrow. Hamel’s strike zone was big but Blanton’s today was an absolute joke. CC did not get those low pitches called strikes. Lee is a good pitcher he doesn’t need any extra help.

  45. haiku-man November 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 am

    YANKEES just 27 outs away from #27!!!

  46. JasonR November 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 am

    “Basically you have to prepare for the worst scenario. You just cannot assume that all of sudden Lee will choke tomorrow in their home field and we should clinch. It’s nothing to do with faith. It’s more realistic. If we lose game 5, the whole thing is tricky and Yanks starting pitching staff are…, and likely we will play game 7.”

    Who said anything about Lee choking?

    You have to assume that Lee is going to pitch great, and you hope to battle him to the point where they have to use their bullpen, a bullpen that is even more suspect than ours for the simple fact that their closer is a Grade A headcase.

    To get it to the point where it becomes a battle of the bullpens, you have to throw someone out there that can match Lee. In that case, it’s absolutely AJ Burnett, not Chad Gaudin who’s pitched 1 inning all postseason.

    We’re talking about sports. We’re not talking about crisis management. You don’t game plan for worst case scenario.

    We play today. We win today.

  47. Seven November 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 am

    Girardi has to start Posada tommorow. Cano who is struggling would then become 5th hitter with Molina hitting 8th. That really thins out your lineup taking Posada bat out.

    And Girardi cant be serious considering Hairston in center. He looked really bad in center when he played in one of the regular season games against the mariners. Keep Posada in the lineup and have Gardner hit 8th if Melky cant go.

  48. vb03 November 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 am

    I kinda like the media heads predicting the Phillies to win. They’ve been wrong about the Yankees a lot this postseason. Keep it up fools.

  49. JZ November 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 am

    Well, Yanks might swing bats pretty well against Lee. LOL

  50. stanzy November 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 am

    I’m thinking Molina starts, but only gets one at-bat. If Lee pitches like he did in game 1, Molina’s 2nd at-bat wouldn’t come until the 6th (maybe 5th), anyway. If it happens that Lee get’s knocked around, and Molina’s spot comes up earlier in the game, that means either AJ could have a comfortable lead or, if not, he’s not having a great game, anyway. Either way, going to Posada would have little downside. I think AJ could pitch fine to Posada from the 1st pitch. But since Molina has started every game AJ has pitched in the postseason, I just don’t see Joe messing with that, at this point.

  51. chris November 2nd, 2009 at 2:01 am

    As of right now, who’s the MVP of this series?

    Mariano? Jeter? Damon? ARod? If AJ can repeat his performance of Game 2, i’d put him in the mix as well.

  52. 100 pitches of fun... November 2nd, 2009 at 2:01 am

    If the Yanks had a decent 4th starter with a couple of different pitches he would be pitching tomorrow. Besides not pitching in a month Gaudin isn’t that good, only throws 2 pitches and lefties own him. He could probably pitch 2-3 good innings but he could never get threw that lineup 3 times. You can’t just throw him out there. You have to play tomorrow’s game to win and by pitching Gaudin it doesn’t look good.

  53. haiku-man November 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 am

    -Phillies go a free run last night,Ryan Howard never tagged home plate.So they shouldn’t complain.

    -Those regular season come from behind wins were practice for postseason.

    -How many times have Philly seen Mo in action,his accuracy and then watch Lidge for the first appearance in the WS,blow the game?

  54. NYYanksFan November 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 am

    Top of the 9th is being called the Damon Dash and A-Rod Smash.

  55. JZ November 2nd, 2009 at 2:08 am

    Jason, you have your point. Let’s see how it’s played out.
    At least shall they play game 6, both starting pitchers will be on short rest.

  56. RachelMP November 2nd, 2009 at 2:12 am

    Pete wrote about Damon on his new blog:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....ot_af.html

  57. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2009 at 2:18 am

    Is this the last night of sleep we get this baseball season???

  58. JZ November 2nd, 2009 at 2:19 am


    Pete wrote about Damon on his new blog:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b…..ot_af.html”

    And he has to bring up 2004 to make his readers happy.

    LOL, what a joke

  59. Jeremy November 2nd, 2009 at 2:26 am

    Girardi can still change his mind. Lets see if he goes with Burnett. Either way I think the Yankees will win this thing.

  60. Sewage Man November 2nd, 2009 at 2:28 am

    Damon’s got to be one of the most underrated players in the game. It sounds like a cliche that “numbers don’t tell the whole story,” but with Damon it’s really true. He’s great at fighting off pitches for hits, he works the count, and of course he’s a great baserunner. I’ll take his arm in left field. He more than makes up for it with everything else. The guy’s just awesome.

    Btw I don’t know if this is receiving that much attention, but Jeter is having a great series, as usual. It’s amazing how he always comes through when we need him.

  61. Sewage Man November 2nd, 2009 at 2:28 am

    If A.J. outpitches Lee tonight, you gotta figure he’s in the running for series MVP, no?

  62. Jones November 2nd, 2009 at 2:34 am

    Posada’s bat is very important(even them Posada haters can’t deny that) he did nice with that sac & double & its hard to take him out with Cano in a bit of a slump, possibility of Melky being out, No DH. However, I don’t see Girardi taking Molina out. I think Posada can catch AJ, but thats probably not going to happen

  63. Marc November 2nd, 2009 at 2:47 am

    I’d like to see Burnett outdoul Lee, and then get a pie in the face (from who, not sure, yet?), as he accepts the WS MVP award!

  64. Jerkface November 2nd, 2009 at 2:48 am

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Arod 3b
    Posada C
    Matsui LF
    Cano 2B
    Gardner CF
    Burnett P

    BOOK IT

  65. swing and miss November 2nd, 2009 at 2:48 am

    Dear Joba:

    You give me a “mini heart attack” every time I see you warming up. Looking better tho jobamania..

  66. Boston Dave November 2nd, 2009 at 2:53 am

    In the running????

    AJ wins the MVP in a landslide if he wins game 5 with a decent outing.

  67. Sigmund November 2nd, 2009 at 3:43 am

    With the loud caveat that this is not the right time to be discussing this, I say that even if AJ wins tomorrow, if Mo comes in for an inning, he gets MVP. He’ll have saved three of the wins — one with a two-inning save — and “saved” the forth (Game 3 was not technically a save). Really, though, who cares, so long as the Good Guys win. Go Yanks!

  68. WS November 2nd, 2009 at 4:14 am

    If AJ outduels Lee – assuming it’s not some crazy high-scoring game like 10-7 etc – then AJ would probably get the MVP…similar to CC last round. Otherwise, at this point it’s probably Rivera. But if A-Rod has another game-changing hit he would probably be in the mix as well.

  69. Russ November 2nd, 2009 at 5:54 am

    Here’s another breakdown of Game 4 and the artist formerly known as Brad Lidge…

    http://www.mepreport.com/2009/.....e-4-graph/

  70. TLVP November 2nd, 2009 at 6:28 am

    MVP:

    Jeter has probably been the best offensive weapon this series but is a bit overlooked because no one hit was as crucial as A-Rod’s or Damon’s last night.

    No other hitter is yet an MVP – one hit does not make you the MVP

    Mo – two of his outings have come with 3 run leads and the last with a 2 run lead – that is not MVP calibre stuff. I love Mo but he’s not the MVP of this series yet

    CC is out of the race – one loss and one no-decision – unless it goes to 7

    AJ is in pole position in my mind.

  71. mike November 2nd, 2009 at 6:37 am

    LETS GO YANKS !! SEAL THE DEAL !!

  72. the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 7:15 am

    John
    November 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 am
    I, for one, am very distressed that Melky may be out of the game tomorrow, and, depending on the severity, possibly out of the Series.

    Melk is a classic under-the-radar guy, and has been producing this post-season, both in the field and at the plate.

    To have him replaced by the overrated Gardner makes me nervous. Melky has, for sure, has made his share of mental mistakes, but, from what I’ve seen, Gardner is a pair of legs without a brain to support them.
    —————————————
    He’s only overrated on this blog, everyone else understands he’s at best a utility outfielder. Just another example of LoHud favoritism at the expense of rational thought.

  73. EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 7:19 am

    The Yankees have 208 million. The Phillies don’t. That is the difference in this series.

  74. mike November 2nd, 2009 at 7:23 am

    EAST SIDE JOE !>>> HA HA HA .. . Already starting with the payroll stuff !.

    that can wait after we win one more !

  75. upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 7:25 am

    yeah, I don’t know why they even bother to play the game…might as well just give it to the Yankees.

  76. Thank You Michael Lewis November 2nd, 2009 at 7:26 am

    Joe,

    Well, the Phillies have $113 million. The Rockies d onot. I don’t remember anyone complaining about that series.

    Yes, the Yankees spend money. But why do people only complain about the Yankees spending when they win? When two teams play each other, one will always have a higher payroll, yet there is never a discussion about the team with the higher payroll having an advantage. It’s only when the Yankees play.

  77. Fran (the original) and OPPC member November 2nd, 2009 at 7:29 am

    Hope the Yankees wrap it up tonight but at the very worst they are coming back to the Bronx with a 3 games to 2 lead.

    Right now my choice for MVP is Mariano, but I agree that AJ could win it with another strong start and the victory tonight.

  78. Sun Devil November 2nd, 2009 at 7:30 am

    EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 7:19 am

    The Yankees have 208 million. The Phillies don’t. That is the difference in this series.
    ======================================

    Dude, last year the Phillies payroll was twice that of the Tampa Bay Rays. I don’t see the phillies giving back their world series rings.

  79. upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 7:31 am

    should be a great game tonight. I think Manuel was right to go w/ a well rested Lee. Blanton kept them in the game, can’t blame him for the loss.

  80. yanksince57-was last year 1959 or was it 1965? November 2nd, 2009 at 7:37 am

    someday, ALL of the financial details of baseball circa the 2000s will be published, and fans of the “small market teams” will finally see how much their owners greedily pocketed, as opposed to reinvesting back into the product, i.e GEORGE STEINBRENNER! with cashman finally, and securely, in charge, i forsee another 15 years of yankee playoffs :)

  81. upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 7:43 am

    It must be hard for Indians fans to see CC and Cliff Lee in the WS. I really feel bad for Twins fans. Their team has let so many good players go, yet they are almost always competitive…just think how good they could be if they still had Santana and Torii.

  82. Sun Devil November 2nd, 2009 at 7:50 am

    upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 7:43 am

    It must be hard for Indians fans to see CC and Cliff Lee in the WS. I really feel bad for Twins fans. Their team has let so many good players go, yet they are almost always competitive…just think how good they could be if they still had Santana and Torii.
    =======================================

    The twins had the richest owner in ALL of baseball (carl pohlad), but he was too greedy to pay his players.

  83. upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 7:52 am

    yeah, I know, that is what makes it even worse

  84. Gary November 2nd, 2009 at 7:56 am

    upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 7:31 am

    should be a great game tonight. I think Manuel was right to go w/ a well rested Lee. Blanton kept them in the game, can’t blame him for the loss.

    Chances are it’s the Philly’s night. I don’t concede anything to them, but the pitching has to favor them and I don’t expect a Lee meltdown. Like CC Lee has been the dominant pitcher. If we can keep it very close and get him out of the game we have a chance. Else it’s Andy vrs Pedro.

  85. amosmoses November 2nd, 2009 at 7:58 am

    Whats with these money trolls attacking all of a sudden, let us enjoy 27 for a bit, damn I’ve been waiting for 27 for a while but I didn’t go Trolling on the Phillies last year, or the Cardinals or even The Red Cox.

  86. Gary November 2nd, 2009 at 7:59 am

    upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 7:43 am

    It must be hard for Indians fans to see CC and Cliff Lee in the WS. I really feel bad for Twins fans. Their team has let so many good players go, yet they are almost always competitive…just think how good they could be if they still had Santana and Torii.

    Yes they put all their future in the hands of Mo Vaughn, Willie Mays Hayes, and Roger Doran. :-)

    They actually had Major League on the tube again yesterday.

  87. jpb1973 November 2nd, 2009 at 8:01 am

    In a funny sort of way, I’m glad that Joba gave up the home run to Feliz in the 8th inning. If he had struck-out-the-side without giving up a run then Francessa would have been leading the ‘Joba to the Bullpen’ call for 2010. Feliz’ HR mutes that talk now.

  88. Doreen November 2nd, 2009 at 8:02 am

    I’m a little confused. I’m re-watching MLB’s postgame and Reynolds’ final prediction for tonight’s game. He says he was going to pick the Yankees to win, but after the announcement that AJ was going to pitch, he decides the Phillies will win.

    So, let me understand. Reynolds thinks the Yankees will beat Cliff Lee with Chad Gaudin on the mound, but not with AJ on the mound? I get the thing about the lineup, but don’t you think that there’s more of a chance of the Yankees winning, say, 2-1 or 3-2, behind AJ (since Lee, we all know, isn’t giving up much – ;) ) than there is of the Phillies not hitting Chad Gaudin and the merry men of the bullpen?

    Seems to me if you’re going to pick the Yankees to beat Cliff Lee at all, that shouldn’t change with AJ as the pitcher.

  89. Gary November 2nd, 2009 at 8:05 am

    jpb1973 November 2nd, 2009 at 8:01 am

    In a funny sort of way, I’m glad that Joba gave up the home run to Feliz in the 8th inning. If he had struck-out-the-side without giving up a run then Francessa would have been leading the ‘Joba to the Bullpen’ call for 2010. Feliz’ HR mutes that talk now.

    Well Joba had it all last night, great velocity and pretty good control. He still gave up the blast and they tied the game. I just don’t know where he will fit in.

  90. Betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 8:12 am

    Doreen,I didn’t understand that either; maybe Harold thinks Gaudin is a better hitter than AJ?

  91. 108 stitches November 2nd, 2009 at 8:16 am

    In his last 2 appearances, Mariano has thrown a total of 13 pitches.
    Yeah …. he’s ready tonight if needed.

  92. Fondo Motz November 2nd, 2009 at 8:17 am

    I really feel bad for Melky.

    An interesting thing to watch will be if he can jump on the pile when we close it out or jump up and do the routine he does with Cano. I hope so. He’ll have all winter to heal.

  93. EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 8:18 am

    Mike and Lewis,

    Face reality. 208 million is nearly twice the payroll as the Phillies. The problem with baseball is that no one is talking about payroll and revenue sharing. The Yankees need to be in a league all by themselves. Baseball would be better for it.

    No one complains about the Yankee payroll when they are not winning because they are not winning — unless you are in New York. In such cases the headlines should be “YANKEES 208 MILLION DON’T WIN WORLD SERIES!”

    Name one Angele in their starting line-up who would play ahead of a current Yankee except Mauer — who will eventually be a Yankee? Now rank order the payrolls.

    The Yankee payroll is decidedly unfair.

  94. PittsburghYankeeFan November 2nd, 2009 at 8:19 am

    This is going to be very interesting tonight.

    Gardner and Molina at the bottom of the order with Burnett is equal to three outs. Add in Swish (which one will show up?) and Cano (awful postseason) makes five outs.

    That leaves Jeter, Damon, Tex, ARod to do anything.

    This one is all on Burnett, who will rise to the occasion and match Lee. That is the story that will be written on Tuesday.

  95. Sun Devil November 2nd, 2009 at 8:21 am

    EastSideJoe = JohnKruk

  96. PittsburghYankeeFan November 2nd, 2009 at 8:22 am

    Let me go further.

    There is a possibility, albeit small, that ARod turns in a “Mr. November” performance tonight.

    He is 5/15 versus Lee with 2HR and an OPS north of 1.2.

  97. Doreen November 2nd, 2009 at 8:23 am

    Why is it unfair to spend money you’ve earned?

    There are owners who make the decision not to spend. That’s on them.

    And the games are not played on the accounting ledger.

  98. 86w183 November 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 am

    Joba would have whiffed Feliz if just one of his sliders was a strike. Starter or reliever he must be able to throw at least two pitches for strikes.

    Then he throws Ruiz two NASTY sliders with the score tied. Go figure!

    Great responses to the idiot about payrolls. Nothing to add there.

    So what if the Phils appear to have an advantage in starting pitching tonight. The Yanks had a HUGE advantage last night and still it was 4-4 entering the ninth. Lee is coming off a career game and anything less might serve to undermine their confidence a bit. Plus they gotta be shaking in the bullpen right now.

    I do think that going with Gaudin tonight is at least arguable. This game is with house money and maybe it would be better to save AJ for full rest in game six if needed.

    I have no concerns about burning out the bullpen. Aceves, Robertson, Hughes and Coke could each go two innings without exploding and they have tomorrow off.

  99. NYYanksFan November 2nd, 2009 at 8:26 am

    Doreen

    I think Reynolds was talking about winning the series not todays game. He doesn’t like the match-ups for the Yankees in game 5,6 or 7 if AJ goes tonight.

  100. Sun Devil November 2nd, 2009 at 8:26 am

    Doreen, don’t bother. The guy is a crybaby. He wasn’t complaining last year when the Phillies outspent the Tampa Bay Rays by a 2 to 1 margin.

  101. Boston Dave - ONE win til 27 November 2nd, 2009 at 8:26 am

    “Name one Angele in their starting line-up who would play ahead of a current Yankee except Mauer — who will eventually be a Yankee? Now rank order the payrolls.”

    —————

    apparently this guy can’t name any of the Angel’s players, period.

    credibility = zero

    stop whining and go do some research first

  102. Boston Dave - ONE win til 27 November 2nd, 2009 at 8:28 am

    “It must be hard for Indians fans to see CC and Cliff Lee in the WS. I really feel bad for Twins fans. Their team has let so many good players go, yet they are almost always competitive…just think how good they could be if they still had Santana and Torii.”

    ————-

    yeah, stinks that their biillionaire owner cares more about profits than winning.

    we are lucky to be NY fans, where that is not the case.

  103. Boston Dave - ONE win til 27 November 2nd, 2009 at 8:30 am

    “The Yankees have 208 million. The Phillies don’t. That is the difference in this series.”

    ——–

    Some posters have logic. EastSideJoe don’t. That is the difference in this discussion.

  104. Betsy November 2nd, 2009 at 8:30 am

    I don’t think so, Harold never said anything about the series. If he did change his mind about picking the Yankees, then he’s gutless and out of his mind. I do think pitching AJ tonight is an inane decision given the lineup and the fact that Andy (a gassed, not-sharp Andy) is now forced to throw on 3 days rest.

  105. Boston Dave - ONE win til 27 November 2nd, 2009 at 8:31 am

    “I do think pitching AJ tonight is an inane decision”

    ————–

    AJ career on short rest:

    3-0, 1.92 ERA

    inane or insane? I don’t see it as being either.

  106. Tom in N.J. November 2nd, 2009 at 8:32 am

    ” 208 million is nearly twice the payroll as the Phillies.”

    Was this not an issue last year last year when the Phillies payroll was twice as large as as Tampa Bay’s?

  107. Boston Dave - ONE win til 27 November 2nd, 2009 at 8:32 am

    * just double checked –

    Burnett is 4-0 with a 2.33 ERA in his career on short rest

  108. upstate kate November 2nd, 2009 at 8:32 am

    I still like Derek Lowe’s comment that if it was a choice between winning or making money, Steinbrenner is the only owner who would choose winning.

  109. Boston Dave - ONE win til 27 November 2nd, 2009 at 8:33 am

    exactly Tom in NJ

    I didn’t hear any complaints when the Red Sox won in 2007 either

    I guess it’s a problem that people only have with the Yankees…. and only when they are winning.

    Sounds like a bunch of garbage to me.

  110. crawdaddy November 2nd, 2009 at 8:33 am

    As long as an owner is spending the money his ballclub is generating on the team itself, I have no problem.

    Is that the case with the Twins and Indians? Neither ballclub has the revenue streams of the Yankees to put back into their ballclub.

  111. crawdaddy November 2nd, 2009 at 8:34 am

    ” 208 million is nearly twice the payroll as the Phillies.”

    Was this not an issue last year last year when the Phillies payroll was twice as large as as Tampa Bay’s?

    I agree with your point.

  112. Harry K November 2nd, 2009 at 8:35 am

    Listening to WIP610 this morning and they just called the yanks fans a bunch of fat pigs….I say we bombard their crappy so called sports talk station with yankees calls….

  113. Doreen November 2nd, 2009 at 8:36 am

    NYYanks Fan -

    That would explain it; but he wasn’t clear, since I thought everyone was talking simply about tonight. The consensus seemed to be that the series would go back to NY for a Game 6, but no one else was talking how the series would go.

    Matchups or not, I don’t see the Yankees losing 2 at home, regardless of what happens tonight or the matchups.

    I don’t see Pedro having another good game. And except for Cliff Lee, none of the Phillies starters is a sure thing to me.

    Part of me thought the Yankees ought to pitch Gaudin tonight. But the other part of me says you have to go with your best. If you pitch Gaudin and lose, it looks like you were willing to take a chance on losing the game. Even though the games are not played on paper, and anything could happen, including Gaudin having a good game and/or Lee having bad one.

    If they lose tonight, however, it will be interesting to see what happens in Game 6.

  114. Dassit November 2nd, 2009 at 8:42 am

    I still like Derek Lowe’s comment that if it was a choice between winning or making money, Steinbrenner is the only owner who would choose winning.
    ———————————————————
    Wasn’t that Mike Francesa’s boyfriend Arroyo who made that comment?

  115. crawdaddy November 2nd, 2009 at 8:43 am

    The Yankee Haters are going nuts today. Rob Dibble called Arod a cheater and a crybaby for complaining about being hit by a pitch. Dibble was beside himself as he complained loudly about Arod and even Posada about arguing balls and strikes.

  116. PittsburghYankeeFan November 2nd, 2009 at 8:44 am

    If the Phils can beat games started by guys with a combined postseason ERA of less than 3, with an average of 6 IP, tip your cap to them.

    They almost stole one last night. But they didn’t.

    Maybe the Yankees “steal” one tonight.

    Maybe AJ Burnett’s mind and stuff are really on the same page tonight, and he’s as nasty as he was last year against the Yankees on three days rest.

  117. mike November 2nd, 2009 at 8:46 am

    AJ wanted this !.. If his mind is in it from the get go . .than thats already a great sign !

    Aj can do this !

  118. 86w183 November 2nd, 2009 at 8:47 am

    A guy whose entire career looks like an ongoing case of ‘roid rage is going to call Alex a cheater? Please.

    Just further evidence why Dibble’s teammates and managers could never stand this clown.

  119. Just call me Mr. Clutch November 2nd, 2009 at 8:47 am

    Yeah, Yankee baseball is bad for baseball. Last year the ratings for the WS games on TV were terrible. This year the viewership is way up.

    When people complain about the payroll of the Yankees I laugh because it comes down to an organization that invests in itself and has worked to be a financial powerhouse. That is smart business.

    Other teams could do the same but they don’t. The Red Sox could. Instead they worked to get by on the cheap this past season signing pitchers who were “low risk”. Yet, they were more than willing to sign Teixeira to a big deal, though Teixeira didn’t have any intention of playing there.

    The small market teams can build up their revinue as well. The Twins are in a market that appeals to numerous states. Instead their owner let talent walk away even if they were faces of the franchise.

    Yankee money has given all the other teams more to play with and is why they give out bigger bonuses to draft players. Some teams just pocket the money. Who is worse for baseball? The cheap owners who are content to sit back and wait and hope that they get enough 1 round draft picks to one day contend, while pocketing millions upon millions of dollars, or a team that invests, at many times, more than it makes to field the best team possible?

    Want salary cap? Most owners don’t because it will force them to have to spend more, as there will be a salary floor they have to meet.

    I went to a number of Phillies games when they weren’t winning and they had empty stands. This Phillies organization celebrated having a record number of losses. That shows what the owners really think of the fans.

  120. KF November 2nd, 2009 at 8:49 am

    Boston Dave,

    yeah, stinks that their biillionaire owner cares more about profits than winning.

    we are lucky to be NY fans, where that is not the case.

    ********************
    I couldn’t agree more. I believe that the Yankees are the only franchise in baseball where the team is not a side business venture. The Yankees are the main business and the ownership take so much pride in winning that they would sacrifice a profit for a potential championship.

    As a Yankee fan, thank god the Steinbrenner’s want to spend money and it’s just an unfortunate business choice that several other ownerships choose a different path.

    The bottom line is that this is like preaching to the choir.

  121. Sun Devil November 2nd, 2009 at 8:49 am

    :arrow:

  122. Erin November 2nd, 2009 at 8:51 am

    I was trying to think on my way to work this morning who the MVP of this series would be. At this point I would say Mo, but if Burnett pitches another gem, he would probably be the frontrunner, right?

  123. the Truth Squad November 2nd, 2009 at 8:52 am

    Betsy, the Yankees are going with AJ tonight, they know more than the fans. I don’t think a baseball team virtually conceding a game in the World Series has any historic precedent and this team truly believes it can beat any team at any time with any opposing pitcher on the mound.

    Save any criticism for the miniscule chance the Yankees don’t win the series, as bad as you think the Yankees pitching may be with AJ, Pettitte, and CC on 3 days rest for the remainder of the series the Phils have much bigger problems since their game 7 potential starter seems to have left the building and it’s unlikely Pedro will have anything (if he even starts) in a game 6.

  124. Dollar November 2nd, 2009 at 8:54 am

    86w, You have it right. A slider on 1-2 is a good pitch but Posada calling for another on 2-2 after Joba had blown away Werth & Ibanez made no sense. Posada’s pitch calling has left alot to be desired this whole season. Then,after the game,he calls out Joba for rushing on the 3-2 FB.Joba was in a groove w/his FB …2 sliders in a row took him out of it and put the count at 3-2. Dumb,Jorge,Dumb. And,the next time you try to block the plate will be the first time!

  125. EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Boston Dave et al

    You don’t understand baseball or statistics. You guys just can’t face the truth. 208 million doesn’t guarantee a WS it just gives you an unfair advantage and the best possible chance to win. You want to live in a make-believe world that is up to you.

    Of course it isn’t an issue when they lose! Unless you are from NY. See how that works. Boston, I’d love to see what kind of a team the Twins could field with another 150 mill.

  126. 86w183 November 2nd, 2009 at 9:00 am

    Dollar —

    I never blame catchers for pitch selection. The guy on the mound eventually makes every decision. My point is that if any of the three sliders were strikes Feliz would have fanned.

    I agree blocking the plate is not something Jorge’ does well. I’ve never seen a catcher who always takes throws behind the plate…. oh well. That hit in the ninth beats the hell out of a blocked plate any day.

    As for the MVP issue…. probably Mariano or Damon unless AJ pitches great and wins tonight.

  127. EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 9:03 am

    Good point KF. New York is unlike, any, any other market.

    But I don’t care who or why a team does or does not make money at baseball. I want to see a structure like basketball or football. In these cases the Knicks have only themselves to blame for being so bad and the Giants can be credited with having a strong organization.

  128. Yankeejohn November 2nd, 2009 at 9:22 am

    I think if Mo saves every win of the series, he will get the MVP.

  129. Pete November 2nd, 2009 at 9:25 am

    I am surprised it took the haters this long to bring up salary. Funny that of you do a position by position breakdown of the teams outside of third base the two teams are just about evenly matched. But payroll is clearly th difference. That is just an uninformed comment.

    do you realize there is a cap in baseball now? That’s why the yanks have to pay 60 mil to teams every year in revenue sharing that is suppoad to go back into the team and clearly doesn’t.

    And if you put in a cap you better put in a floor that is about 40 mil less than what the cap is. Force teams to spend their money.

  130. Paterson NJ November 2nd, 2009 at 9:38 am

    What a game. When Johnny started to go to 3th base my heart stopped. I told my son to dial 911. Thank God he made it.

    NOW WE GO FOR NUMBER 27 FOR THE BOSS.

  131. EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Should be a “floor” too. Agreed. The rest of your point is confusing. I’m not taking about “capping.” Milwaukee will never approach a cap. Hey Milwaukee, you can’t spend $150 million! Of course they won’t. I’m taking about revenue sharing.

  132. Rob in VT November 2nd, 2009 at 9:42 am

    Yankee haters always use payroll as a last resort when they have no other excuses to fall back on.

  133. EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Rob in VT

    Not a Yankee hater at all. Just facing the truth about baseball. Not to mention A-Rod is a cheater too. But that is another story. Payroll isn’t a last resort. People outside of NY have been complaining about it for years.

    No owner should be expected to operate at a loss. The Yankees don’t.

    I’ll tell you what, if payroll means nothing then why don’t you give up 50 or 75 million?

    Any takers? Thought not.

  134. Rob in VT November 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 am

    EastSideJoe

    Why are you singling out ARod. I’m not defending what he did,but there have been plenty of “cheaters” in baseball over the past 20 years.

    You continue to miss the point. Tell me why the Steinbrenner family should not be allowed to re-invest back into their business the money they have earned.

  135. EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Hey Rob in beautiful VT (love Jamaica),

    Steinbnr should be allowed to do whatever the league allows under the current rules/structure. Go for it. The point is they league should be structured differently. I don’t think sports should be run like any other industry, and they are not in other respects.

    To me a Yankee victory is like hunting deer with a machine gun while every other team can only afford a pistol or bow and arrow. I guess you can feel good about bagging a deer but to me it feels hollow and contrived.

    Maybe I shouldn’t single out A-Rod — maybe because of his lame confession that everyone has already forgotten about. All cheaters should be *ed.

    The question I have to all Yankee fans is…Would you or would you not want to see a financial system more like the NBA or football?

  136. Rob in VT November 2nd, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Why would any Yankee victory be “hollow and contrived”. It was earned “under the current rules/structure.” Just sounds like sour grapes to me.

    I think the curent system is working just fine. wink

  137. Rob in VT November 2nd, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Btw, it’s VT as in beautiful state of Vermont.

  138. EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Enjoy your victory.

    I guess the Yankees sure enough showed everyone who has the machine guns and who doesn’t! — last point –

  139. Pete November 2nd, 2009 at 10:46 am

    Esj, baseball does have the system the NBA does. Go over a number and you pay a tax.

    And what of you have the machine Gun and don’t use it? You do know the owner of the twins before he passed was one of the richest men in America? why is his payroll so small? Its an easy excuse to use when the Yankees are winning.

    And answer this question. You put a cap in. What are the Yankees supposed to do with all of these contracts?

  140. EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Hi Pete,

    The tax is just another operating expense for the Yankees. No big deal.

    I guess all the other teams are just not willing to spend and only the Yankees are. My guess is that all the teams try to operate for a profit. Just cause the Twins owner is “one of the richest men in America” doesn’t mean he should run loses on his baseball business. Do you think Steinbrn runs loses year-in and year-out?

    Should some organizations be forced to spend more? YES! Will they ever be able to spend near the same as the Yankees? NO, NEVER!

    Steiner has a machine gun and should use it. I’d do the same. That doesn’t mean it’s fair. It’s the weak leadership of the league that should make the rules.

    What are the poor Yankees to do with ALL THOSE CONTACTS (that on one else can afford)? Your question helps prove my point.

  141. Pete G November 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Yes ESJ, when you put the cap in, how are the Yankees supposed to unload those contracts? You need to come up with solutions, not just “put a cap in”. Its not so easy to just say, put a cap in. Do you really think the players association will ever let a cap get in? I didn’t think so.

    So who is to blame that the Yankees run a profit and other teams do not? What do other teams need to do differently? You are going to tell me that with revenue sharing, billions of dollars TV contracts and record attendance these teams are not making a profit? Come on.

    The only thing that needs to be changed is other teams need to stop being cheap.

  142. EastSideJoe November 2nd, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    You’re not listening — I said all these teams are making a profit. Again, that reflects the disparity. The Yankees can make profits and spend 208 million on payroll. No other team can do that.

    But according to you, ALL the other teams are cheap I guess.

    Basketball has a system that works and the players union doesn’t seem to mind. So does football. It goes beyond a cap.

    I’m moving on from this conversation. I think everyone else is bored.

  143. GiantsCauseway November 2nd, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Damon is still a threat at the plate but boy is he a liability in the field. He looks like a little-leaguer out there. I don’t think they can bring back both he & Matsui next year. A Melky, Gardner, Swisher outfield doesn’t sound so bad. I don’t know who else is out there as a free agent.

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