Game 6 schedule of events
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Sorry for the tech glitch on the game post that went up for a few minutes. Not sure how that happened but don’t worry – no game tonight. We’ll have all the usuals tomorrow, including Flash Points and the game post at a more standard time.
Anyway, the Yankees just announced that Mary J. Blige will be singing the national anthem before Game 6. Great voice. Nice choice.
For those coming to the Stadium, here’s tomorrow’s schedule of events:
4:50 p.m. – 5:50 p.m. Yankees Hit
5:00 p.m. Gates Open to the Public
5:00 p.m. Phillies Manager Charlie Manuel available in the interview room
5:50 p.m. – 6:50 p.m. Phillies Hit
7:35 p.m. Lineups Announced
7:45 p.m. Presentation of Colors: United States Coast Guard Color Guard
7:46 p.m. National Anthem: Mary J. Blige
7:49 p.m. Ceremonial First Pitch
7:51 p.m. Game Ball Delivered to Mound – Boys and Girls Clubs of America
7:52 p.m. Umpires and Managers to Home Plate
7:55 p.m. Yankees Take the Field
7:57 p.m. First Pitch
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Chad Jennings
24 hours and 59 minutes until Game 6!!!!!!!!!!
Joe Orsulak
Too bad there’s actually no game tonight.
I totally had Phil Coke pegged for the 8th inning.
Ever hear the story (it might have been on the Bronx is Burning) of how Joe Dimmaggio was scheduled to throw the first pitch of the world series out, but changed his mind because he was insulted and denied entrance to the Stadium (I think back in 77′ if it was on Bronx is Burning)? So George picked a random kid from the stands and made him represent the “children of America”. I don’t remember it myself but I love that story. They should do that agin just to channel back the good aura from those championship years.
The only good thing about no game tonight is that I can try and catch up on some TV shows that I have neglected thanks to the games.
Mary singing the national anthem tomorrow=Nice!
Can’t wait . I had my choice of one game in the WS in my partial plan and picked game 6. Ill be in the BX at 5. My dream as a fan is watching a Series Clincher
Things could always be worse. 20 years ago, in the New York Times:
BASEBALL; Yankees’ Chances Slip By
By MICHAEL MARTINEZ
Published: Sunday, August 27, 1989
There was no sound in the clubhouse, no movement, no sign of life. The players lost the game, then lost any sense that they still have time. Even with five weeks left, the Yankees are finished.
Don Mattingly delivered the closest thing to a concession speech yesterday after the Baltimore Orioles moved away to a 6-4 victory at the Stadium, the Yankees’ eighth loss in 10 games since Bucky Dent became manager.
By the end of the day, Dent was doused in frustration and the Yankees were still falling: 15 games under .500, 12 1/2 games out of the American League East lead and sixth in the division for the 31st straight day.
Dent, whose tenure has been nothing but torturous, ran his fingers through his hair, smiled weakly and said, ”I’ll look like Sparky Anderson pretty soon, won’t I?”
But after the Yankees left the bases loaded in the eighth, put two more runners on in the ninth and failed to score on each occasion, it seemed like just another long day. Mattingly dressed, slumped in a chair and allowed the summer to pass through his mind.
”Your dreams, the things you work so hard for, start to fade from you,” he said. ”It’s a tough time of year. You still enjoy playing, but you also start to realize that maybe you’re out of the race.”
It is only a technicality, of course. The Yankees needed to win at least four of five from the Orioles to maintain a breath of life. Instead, they have lost three of four with one game remaining today. Their season is essentially done.
”It’s hard to maintain a good state of mind when you’re 11 1/2 games back and the season is going down the tubes,” Mattingly said. ”Our approach now is to hurt the Orioles, hurt California and Oakland, and give some teams some problems.”
They were done in yesterday by Joe Orsulak, who hit two home runs for the first time in his career, scored four runs and drove in three, and by Tim Hulett, whose two-run single in the third inning gave the Orioles a lead they never lost.
Orsulak, from Parsippany, N.J., is 8 for 13 in three games against the Yanks with six runs and five runs batted in. He became the first Oriole cleanup hitter to deliver a home run since Mickey Tettleton went on the disabled list Aug. 5. A Team Effort
”We’ve played well as a team all year,” said Orsulak, who is batting .377 in his last 16 games. ”When someone hasn’t been doing well, there’s always been another guy, it seems, who’s picked us up. One guy gets injured and everybody contributes.”
The Orioles lost 107 games last season, but they have spent 93 days in first place this year and have already won 16 more games than they did in 1988. There are believers everywhere.
”No one wanted to give them any credit,” said Mattingly, ”and now nobody wants to say they were wrong about them. Everybody waited for them to fold. They’ve withstood a few charges, and they’ll have to withstand a few more.”
Bob Geren, the Yankee catcher, said, ”It just shows you what a young club can do with a little bit of ability and a lot of desire.”
Geren gave the Yanks a two-run homer in the seventh inning yesterday, which cut the Orioles’ lead to 5-4. And then the Yankees loaded the bases with one out in the eighth and Mark Williamson pitching. But Roberto Kelly took a called third strike on a 1-and-2 count, and Geren hit the first pitch he saw and grounded into a fielder’s choice.
”I think it was a strike,” Kelly conceded later of the fastball that started outside but broke in on the corner of the plate. ”If it wasn’t, it was still too close to take. It was just one of those pitches I couldn’t pull the trigger on.”
In the ninth, Luis Polonia hit a single and Mattingly reached base on a two-out error, but the game ended when Mel Hall grounded out to first. Dent Incredulous
”I can’t believe it,” said Dent. ”We’ve been right there in every game I’ve been here, except for two. One hit and we win. This club is just going through a spell. But I don’t want them to get down or drop their heads.” And the manager? ”I’m not going to get down,” he said. ”I’m going to keep my spirits up.” RIGHETTI TRADE TALKS
Despite a personal assurance from George Steinbrenner that he was not going to be traded, Dave Righetti is nonetheless being shopped around by the Yankees. Sources said the team had spoken to several clubs, including the Houston Astros, who rejected a deal that would have sent Kevin Bass and Eric Anthony to New York for the reliever. Steinbrenner called a clubhouse meeting yesterday morning in an attempt to calm Righetti about the rumors. ”He basically tried to assure me that nothing is going to happen,” Righetti said. ”I’m not going to worry about it. It’s a nonissue. All it can really do is cause a distraction.” Dent said he was not involved in the talk between the owner and player and insisted again that a meeting last Tuesday in which Steinbrenner reportedly ordered that Righetti and four others be traded was misrepresented in The Daily News. ”We talked about the whole club,” he said. ”I thought it was a positive meeting.”
Photo of Orioles’ Keith Moreland sliding past Yankees’ Bob Geren to score in the third inning (NYT/Eddie Hausner) (pg. 4)
Wait till the World Series
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Ever hear the story (it might have been on the Bronx is Burning) of how Joe Dimmaggio was scheduled to throw the first pitch of the world series out, but changed his mind because he was insulted and denied entrance to the Stadium (I think back in 77? if it was on Bronx is Burning)? So George picked a random kid from the stands and made him represent the “children of America”. I don’t remember it myself but I love that story. They should do that agin just to channel back the good aura from those championship years.
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That’s hilarious. “children of America”…classic!
I wonder who is throwing out the first pitch tomorrow.
Any chance the Boss will be at the game tomorrow? Would be nice to have George in the house.
Wait till the World Series
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Ever hear the story (it might have been on the Bronx is Burning) of how Joe Dimmaggio was scheduled to throw the first pitch of the world series out, but changed his mind because he was insulted and denied entrance to the Stadium (I think back in 77? if it was on Bronx is Burning)? So George picked a random kid from the stands and made him represent the “children of America”. I don’t remember it myself but I love that story. They should do that agin just to channel back the good aura from those championship years.
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Yup. It was Bronx is Burning. he didn’t have a ticket and the guy in the ticket booth didn’t recognize him. LOL
Yes well…take comfort, it’s not 89′.
DiMaggio got ticked off about tickets that were supposed to be left for him and weren’t there. There was some kind of screw up but DiMaggio also had a tremendous ego. You don’t mess with Joltn’ Joe’s ego and emerge unscathed.
“You don’t mess with Joltn’ Joe’s ego and emerge unscathed”
Unless you’re George Steinbrenner. Or a child of America.
We all know that Gammons, Kruk, and Williams were going to pick the Phillies to win game 6. Doesn’t mean much because they have been wrong all year long.
This series will be over. And all the Yankee haters will be making excuses and talking about payroll.
repost
Wow. That’s all I can say. It’s like the AJ channel in Elmo’s World. All AJ, All the time. I’ve never seen any pitcher analyzed, dissected, obssessed about, and discussed.
There are 24 other guys on the team, let’s talk about them.
Like randy l keeps bringing up Chad Gaudin and when will he pitch. Perhaps he’s being held in reserve in case the 3 Guys rotation doesn’t work out?
And who would you rather have? People moaned about a 3rd catcher. They moaned about Guzman. And due to unfortunate circumstances we now have Pena on the roster.
Oh, wait. I know. People would rather have melancon. Got it.
m, Melancon gives new meaning to the term, ‘designated hitter’
Who’s throwing out the first pitch?
In the aFL today, none of the position players got into the game, but, in extra innings, Zach Kroenke pitch 2 innings, allowing just one walk and striking out 2, to get the win. Grant Duff pitched a perfect 11th inning for the save.
“Boston Dave–
I told you to try for game 6 or 7.”
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mick and trisha,
I know… but I may actually get the Game 6 tickets ALSO!
my MLB friend is trying to work some magic.
I am staying in Brooklyn tonight just in case I get them. I should know soon.
I had fantastic seats in Philly behind home plate just off to the 3rd base side. I was sitting in one of the more Yankee-fan populated because many of the people were MLB employees (NY office).
In addition to getting the ball that Hughes threw me, I had a foul ball smacked off the bat of Ryan Howard that almost broke my hand (I thought I had broken it) and I’m ashamed I didn’t catch it. It had quite a bit of spin on it but I got a late reaction to it. Grrrr!!
It was quite an experience and an exciting game and if/when the Yankees win it all, I’ll be happy that I got to see part of it (even if it was a loss).
Melancon is sure as heck more reliable than Coke or Bruney. He is also better than meltdown Burnett…….
mitch williams said he likes the matchup of the red hot philly bats vs. a tired andy on 3 days rest.
kruk said he thinks the phils win in 7
lol, tru dat.
Lance, sorry. Wrong on all 3 counts. Not even.
melancon was given opportunities because his reputation preceded him. maybe it was too much, too soon. But had he been able to take over that 7th-8th inning role and hold on to it, Hughes might have stayed a starter. I have high hopes for melancon, but it wasn’t his time yet. being put in tough spots by the manager is no excuse for totally losing control of where the ball is going.
Wait till the World Series November 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
“You don’t mess with Joltn’ Joe’s ego and emerge unscathed”
Unless you’re George Steinbrenner. Or a child of America.
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It was tough on Ol’ George, but then its not like George doesn’t have an ego of his own.
lol.
m: unfair! AJ was the very bad starting pitcher last night in the game that could have clinched the World Series — AND the decision to start him was somewhat controversial.
You think folks should talk about roster buddies Ramiro Pena and Eric Hinske just as much?
Furthermore, a lot of bad ideas and bad information were floating around here before; I even read that the “reason” AJ couldn’t get out of the 3rd inning was that he’s a bad road pitcher.
As is often the case here, bad information often leads to good information and thanks to some excellent comments from Wave Your Hat and rconn23 the bad information was dispatched with.
The commentary is good (and voluntary).
And I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to post my impassioned defense of AJ without the conversation. And I think AJ is worth defending!
Isn’t it funny how the espn guys (except crook) all picked the Yankees, but pan them any chance they get?
Have they announced the line up?
kruk and mitch william are homer clowns..
why would you care what almost any writer, reporter, or expert thinks??????
they have as much of a clue as us, meaning no one knows what will happen.. the odds are with the yanks, they have better pitchers going, even on short rest, they have a better pen, and they have a better lineup, and are at home….i will take my chances.. 3 to 2 going back home for 2, 10 days ago anyone not sign up for that??????????????
Lance
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Melancon is sure as heck more reliable than Coke or Bruney. He is also better than meltdown Burnett…….
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Oh, really? Based on what? His high school, college and Minor League numbers?
melancon will be in the pen next year and will do a good job…
bruney will be somewhere else……
Aj’s reputation will continue to haunt him…. the fans and media made up their minds about him and thats it. If he wanted to shake his rep then he can’t get lit up like he did last night. Starts like that will only fuel his image of a guy who melts down. People need to stop caring about how the fans and media portray him… all they see is $82 mil for an erratic pitcher. It may not be fair but that is the rep he has and it probably will follow him around for the next 4 years in NY.
Nick,
It’s all good. But the same people are posting the same thing 3 or 4 times. Broken record.
We’re on the cusp (for the second time this week) of something really good, and people keep repeating themselves even though there’s no debate (trisha’s points not withstanding).
Let’s talk about Andy instead. Remember over the winter when Wave, myself, and…
There’s a typo, it should read:
7:57 p.m. – 8:50 p.m. Yankees Hit Pedro Martinez Mercelessly
Kruk said that the ALCS would go 7 games. LOL !
The guy has been wrong all year long. And yeah those Philly bats are really hot, lol ! The only bats in that lineup that are hot- Utley, Werth. The rest have done nothing.
Mitch Williams is a homer he picked the phillies in 5. He picked them to win everygame so far. He has no clue what he is talking about.
No, you were right unparanthetically: there’s no debate. You can sometimes read between the lines and tell when someone’s given up the ghost.
LOL Kruk is a fool and a Philly toady ……Gammons has been on the Philly bandwagon since forever. I don’t want to hear word one from them if the Yankees win this thing. It’s hardly a big deal for them to have picked the Phils before the series as they are the defending champs and an excellent team. However, all they have been doing is playing down the Yankee victories by blaming the poor play of their opponents. Let the Yankees win and then who cares what anyone says?
Watching 1995 ALDS now on MLB.com. Letting the Yankees get all the bad at bats out of the way so they can be stellar tomorrow.
vin
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:36 pm
There’s a typo, it should read:
7:57 p.m. – 8:50 p.m. Yankees Hit Pedro Martinez Mercelessly
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You never said what the great accuscore predicted. Its okay, Nick has his eyes shut!
who cares about A.J. Burnett. Soon we will have enough pitching that A.J. will be a 4th starter. I’m tired of talking about A.J. because the guy has a 10 cent head but a lot of talent.
Curt Shilling with the Diamondbacks, Josh Beckett with the Marlins, Kevin Brown with the Padres, all pitched against us on short rest and did well. So why can’t our guys do it?
Betsy-Kruk and Gammons will be too busy sobbing to say anything if the Yankees win.
lets see if the yanks win on the eve of my b-day. Would be the best b-day.
Kruk and Williams picking against the Phils would be like Gossage and Mattingly picking against the Yanks.
Sometimes not burning bridges is more important than being right.
Well, pat I just drove over the troubled Bay Bridge, and I gotta say: burn that sucker down!
lol @ Jeremy. You are one of the people who won’t stop talking about him.
Totally O/T, but I just had one of these:
http://c0170361.cdn.cloudfiles.....7d6b_l.jpg
And it was really good.
If you say so, Stuie. You’re never wrong. Melcancon has proved absolutely nothing so far, except that he can pitch in the minors. Bruney has had one bad season in four years in NYY. In case you haven’t been paying attention, Melancon has had worse control issues than Bruney in his two shots in the majors. When he proves something in NY, then he can run after Bruney’s spot.
I won’t use 5th grade insults like cement head and moron in describing you, but……
Mitch Williams said that the Phillies would win and that he looked at this series in a fair way, lol !
The Yankees are the better team and even the Phillies know it especially after the Yankees almost beat them being 6 runs down.
Azaz
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Here’s hoping you get the best birthday present in the world!
pat
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Kruk and Williams picking against the Phils would be like Gossage and Mattingly picking against the Yanks.
Sometimes not burning bridges is more important than being right.
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I dont think you can compare them to Mattingly and Gossage. Maybe like Giambi and Farnsworth picking against the yankees.
I don’t understand ESPN or the MLB network. I mean for the most past they have smart and good analysts, Gammons, Larkin, Leiter, Olney, and then you have Kruk and Mitch Williams.
What were they thinking when they hired those two… At least Mitch is funny sometimes.
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I talked about him a little but not like some of the other posters. I just said that we should be happy that Andy is on the mound for game 6 because A.J. would have failed in that game just like game 5.
mitch williams looks like a barfly. like when he was wearing a phillies hat and jersey on site in the playoffs, i pictured him holding a beer in a koozie.
“You never said what the great accuscore predicted. Its okay, Nick has his eyes shut!”
I don’t dare request an audience with the great AccuScore until the day of the game. I would run the risk of jeopardizing the entire space-time continuum by doing so.
You don’t truly understand the power of AccuScore, do you?
Fear “The Machine.” Respect “The Machine.”
Yesterday I challenged the Yankees to topple not only the defending World Champs, but also “The Machine.” “It” had the Phils winning 60% (I believe). I should’ve known better.
Tomorrow I will be the messenger of The Great AccuScore’s prediction. And, by the grace of Mariano himself, it will be a favorable declaration!
“i pictured him holding a beer in a koozie.”
He’s totally the guy Kenny Powers’ character was modeled after.
Over under on Pedro’s innings: 4
Jeremy,
Apologies. I must have mixed you up with another Jeremy!
Don’t believe the hype, vin — the LoHud hype, that is.
I’m pro-AccuScore and I vote.
boston dave
got any extras?
Nick in SF
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Don’t believe the hype, vin — the LoHud hype, that is.
I’m pro-AccuScore and I vote.
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I voted too!!!!
Sadly, I think we voted for different people
vin-
You are right. I was being silly. All accuscore traditions/rituals must be upheld!
NBC and MLB Network analyst Bob Costas joined the show to discuss the World Series. Here are some of Costas’ takes …
– Dan asked Costas who the Phillies should turn to in Game 7 if the series goes that far. “You have to use Cliff Lee in a Game 7 at some point,” Costas said. Costas thinks they should turn to Lee for at least three innings to start. Then you go to the bullpen,” Costas said.
– Costas said Mark Teixeira hasn’t hit well, but he’s not nearly as bad as Ryan Howard. “It’s nothing like how futile Ryan has been,” Costas said. “Man, he looks clueless up there.” Costas says Howard is a great guy, so the media has been slow to jump on him for a classic choke job.
– Costas said you can definitely give the MVP to a player who isn’t on the winning team. But he’s not sure that Utley deserves it if the Phils don’t win.
– Dan asked Bob Costas about Ozzie Guillen’s pregame comments on FOX that Derek Jeter is the greatest Yankee of all time. Here’s how Costas ranked the all-time Yankees.
1. Babe Ruth
2. Lou Gehrig
3. Joe DiMaggio
4. Mickey Mantle
5. Mariano Rivera
6. Jeter or Yogi Berra
– Costas pointed out to Dan that Ludacris name-checked him in a song. Something about rolling torpedoes, hanging w/ Rostas, and getting paid like Bob Costas.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z0VqdqtaMg
Actually, I drove all the way into the city from the home of CC Sabathia to vote in our little municipal election, so off I go.
Please keep it respectful while I’m gone.
I agree with Costas on the Yankee ratings except that I’d put Jeter five, Yogi 6, Mo 7.
11:27 wild celebration
If NYY wins tomorrow’s game, and Damon does what’s he’s been doing, he has to be the odds on favorite to win the Series MVP, regardless of what Utley has done. He’s doing what Bucky Dent and Brian Doyle did in the 1978 Series. He’s sparking every rally, one way or the other. He’s been playing like a young kid….just having fun and producing. The only thing that stops him is a huge game from Jeter or Rodriguez. Rivera is always in the discussion, but, unless he pitches 2+ innings for the Series save, he’s not likely.
Nick in SF-
Yes Sir!!!!
Btw- I fully expect to engage in WDNHFD tonight
GreenBeret7
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:01 pm
If NYY wins tomorrow’s game, and Damon does what’s he’s been doing, he has to be the odds on favorite to win the Series MVP, regardless of what Utley has done. He’s doing what Bucky Dent and Brian Doyle did in the 1978 Series. He’s sparking every rally, one way or the other. He’s been playing like a young kid….just having fun and producing. The only thing that stops him is a huge game from Jeter or Rodriguez. Rivera is always in the discussion, but, unless he pitches 2+ innings for the Series save, he’s not likely.
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Ugh GB7, I predicted that 4 days ago, but no one pays attention when I actually speak baseball.
Damon’s baserunning the other night was actually historic. If Johnny Damon is not on 3rd base, Alex probably doesn’t get the opportunity to get “the biggest hit of his life”
Nick and Erica,
I’m glad you two are both believers. AccuScore will take us to the promised land (and the guys will act it out on tv).
I’d really like to see the Boss throw out the opening pitch…that or Joe Torre.
– Costas said you can definitely give the MVP to a player who isn’t on the winning team. But he’s not sure that Utley deserves it if the Phils don’t win.
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I agree, Utley’s been great but the Yankees have some players that are deserving of the MVP also.
If Mariano pitches 2 scoreless innings tomorrow, he should get MVP. And Damon can be in contention as well if he comes up with some more big hits.
I vote Utley for MVP regardless who wins.
I agree with Costas’ Top 4, then I’d put Yogi at 5 (My favorite stat is that he alone has as many championships as the entire Cardinals franchise), Rivera at 6, then Jeter at 7.
I’m sure that there has been a Series MVP on a losing team, but, without checking, Bobby Richardson in 1960 is the last one that I remember. He and Mantle were so far above everyone else, there was no choice…no question.
No offense, Erica. But I don’t think you were really thinking about baseball when you picked Damon for mvp.
m
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:07 pm
No offense, Erica. But I don’t think you were really thinking about baseball when you picked Damon for mvp
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You can’t prove that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wouldn’t shock me one bit if Utley won the WS MVP even if we win the series…. unless someone has a standout performance tomorrow or Thursday.
1. What Utley is doing is historic
2. If guys like Gammons, PeteAbe, Madden etc. get to vote… anything is possible.
A big hit from Damon probably clinches it, but Utley has an excellent shot.
Damon was great the other night but there was another hero. Mariano Rivera. And no, its not because he threw a scoreless ninth.
Mo was important because it change the way Lidge pitched once Damon went to 3rd. If the score were 3-4 with Philly leading, Lidge wouldn’t be afraid to give up one run on potential wild pitch slider in the dirt. Because even if that happenned, Phillies would have faced coke and probably won in the walk off fashion.
But since the game was tied, they couldn’t afford to risk giving up a run as that would have brought Mo out to close the game instead of Coke. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Mo changed the dynamics. Damon was the catalyst and Mo was the influence.
GreenBeret7 November 3rd, 2009 at 8:06 pm
I’m sure that there has been a Series MVP on a losing team, but, without checking, Bobby Richardson in 1960 is the last one that I remember. He and Mantle were so far above everyone else, there was no choice…no question.
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Bobby Richardson remains the only player in history to be a Series MVP on a losing team. I don’t think Utley has reached that level of dominance yet, but the Series isn’t over…
Andy on 3 days rest vs. Pedro 2 sleepless nights.
Nod goes to Andy.
Erica – always OPPC
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:04 pm
GreenBeret7
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:01 pm
If NYY wins tomorrow’s game, and Damon does what’s he’s been doing, he has to be the odds on favorite to win the Series MVP, regardless of what Utley has done. He’s doing what Bucky Dent and Brian Doyle did in the 1978 Series. He’s sparking every rally, one way or the other. He’s been playing like a young kid….just having fun and producing. The only thing that stops him is a huge game from Jeter or Rodriguez. Rivera is always in the discussion, but, unless he pitches 2+ innings for the Series save, he’s not likely.
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Ugh GB7, I predicted that 4 days ago, but no one pays attention when I actually speak baseball.
Damon’s baserunning the other night was actually historic. If Johnny Damon is not on 3rd base, Alex probably doesn’t get the opportunity to get “the biggest hit of his life”
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The only thing damon hasn’t done is hit a homer. His defense has been very good, his base running has been Damon-like….not a ton of them, just the right spots, like all season long. He’s scored runs, driven them in…not much else to do. If I were managing, I might consider putting Rodriguez in the two spot and Damon third, for protection and giving them more chances to score early. Not going to happen, because it’s too late to make that sort of change. Right now, Damon is hitting everything and he isn’t striking out.
“I’d really like to see the Boss throw out the opening pitch”
Pete, is that you? Ohhhh, you meant Steinbrenner!
why did baseball even allow this ‘MVP from a losing team’ BS?
if your team loses, you shouldn’t be in consideration. The goal should be to acknowledge the best player on the team that was victorious… even if no one stands out.
Would be a shame and cold water thrown on us if FOX is interviewing Utley on the field to give him an award after we win #27.
interesting, you can buy the world series on itunes.
I don’t think you can assume AJ would have failed in Game 6 the same way. I mean it is a crapshoot when he pitches but he does pitch better at home and he was on short rest.
Aj is the kinda of pitcher that everything has to be working for him to pitch well. He doesn’t know how to work with whats he’s got that day and keep you in the game. He would have been more likely to have his good stuff and command on normal rest…
“But since the game was tied, they couldn’t afford to risk giving up a run as that would have brought Mo out to close the game instead of Coke. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Mo changed the dynamics. Damon was the catalyst and Mo was the influence.”
Not quite.
I think Lidge didn’t want to bounce a slider because he didn’t want to put the Phillies behind.
Same way he wouldn’t have wanted to bounce a slider if they were up a run because he wouldn’t want the Yankees to tie it.
Makes absolutely ZERO difference who was going to come in and pitch for the Yankees.
If you really think Lidge was out on the mound thinking about Mariano Rivera then I have a bridge I can sell you.
How can you have an MVP from a losing team? I’m sorry, that’s ridiculous.
Yogi was in 14 world series’ as a player, 2 as a manager and 5 as a coach.
If Barry Bonds didn’t win in a losing effort in 2002, then Chase Utley shouldn’t win in a losing effort in 2009. Especially if the Phillies go down tomorrow.
I know Bonds was a jerk which is why the media didn’t vote for him, but he was much much more dominant in that series than Utley is in this one.
Barring an epic Reggie-like game from a Yankee, I vote Utley for MVP.
If we all agree that it shouldn’t mater whether an MVP candidate’s team makes the playoffs in the regular season, why should it change in the postseason? He’s the Most Valuable Player on both teams, even if his team isn’t doing the job around him.
Its more a case of no one player on the Yankees differentiating himself for MVP rather than Utley seizing the award.
Unfortunately as of right now Utley has been the best player in the series. Its hard to argue that point.
As much as we all love Jeter, what Mariano has done for the last 14 season has been OTHERWORLDLY. Jeter has been the best SS in the game for maybe a handful of seasons in his career (thanks to Alex).
Mo has been the most dominant relief pitcher ever. He is universally respected by everyone. He is a tremendous sportsman.
Ruth, Gherig, Mantle… those guys dominated their era. That’s what puts them in the Pantheon. Jeter, like Yogi and Ford and DiMaggio, is great but he’s not THE preeminent player of his generation.
Am I way off base here?
11:09 YANKS WIN 27TH CHAMPIONSHIP
I don’t agree with that at all, Wait – I think it’s ridiculous to have an MVP from a losing/non-contending team and I think it’s even worse to do so in the playoffs. Maybe there should be best player awards in addition to MVP (regular season).
The schedule of events post has me all excited.
I’ll be walking in at 5:01.
# Betsy November 3rd, 2009 at 8:17 pm
How can you have an MVP from a losing team? I’m sorry, that’s ridiculous.
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betsy- It’s called thinking out of the box.
kruk and mitch williams both have world championship rings on their fingers…. I think I would trust their analysis on game 6 over the ‘experts’ on this board…..
So let’s penalize players for not having a good team. Does that make sense?
Did they say who is throwing out first pitch?
I want it to be Karim Garcia.
Pedro can get worked up about that in the pen.
“Who is this Karim Garcia? – I am Pedro Martinez! Who are you Karim Garcia!!”
The only award Utley is winning is MGIH (Most grease in hair) award.
Utley’s bad play in game 4 opened the door for Yank’s win.
He has not won game’s single-handedly.
Let’s see what happens tomorrow night before we name MVP
barring maybe a show by arod or a 7 out save from mo if chase hits nother one since theres no clear yankee mvp chase will get it
Let Zimmer and Garcia throw out the 1st pitch.
“How can you have an MVP from a losing team? I’m sorry, that’s ridiculous.”
If the series only goes 6 games… I tend to agree with you. 7 game series, like Richardson’s in 1960… I can see that.
Williams doesn’t have a championship, does he?
Joe Carter? What? SAY IT LOUDER.
Betsy
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:17 pm
How can you have an MVP from a losing team? I’m sorry, that’s ridiculous.
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Much like when the player’s numbers are so far and above what anyone else has done. Much like when they vote an MVP from a last place team. Richardson hit .400, had two triples, a grand slam, 12 RBI, 6 RBI and a slam and a 2 run triple in one inning and other ridiculous numbers from the @2 spot in the batting order. This from a guy that had a .260 BA, with 1 triple, 1 homer and 26 RBI in a full season. Mantle was right there. Other than homers, Utley’s about even with others on the Yankees.
That’s great that you don’t agree with it Betsy.
Instead of whining, why don’t you make a case or a valid argument for a Yankee to win the award. You know, rational and logical thoughts.
You can do it.
TOUCH EM ALL JOE!
@miggs
Obviously no closer wants to give up a run. But when they are pitching, its question of probabilities. His slider was his best pitch but has the risk of getting away form the cather.
Now if Philly was leading, they would take that chance because the worst outcome would be a tied game with their guys getting 3 chances to win in the bottom of the 9th. And if you are facing Phil Coke, you would be wiling to risk it because slider is your money pitch and chances of getting hitters out improve with it.
But because it was tied game, if he gives up a run, they will lose the game given Mariano will be closing. If you are telling me that the urgency doesn’t change irrespective of who is pitching against you, I can sell you the same bridge.
“kruk and mitch williams both have world championship rings on their fingers…. I think I would trust their analysis on game 6 over the ‘experts’ on this board…..”
they have 2nd place (LOSER!) rings. Which they ‘earned’ as Phillies!
You know who I would love to see throw out the first pitch? Aaron Boone.
Great story all the way around. I believe he’s a free agent (or will be after the WS), so there shouldn’t be any MLB weirdness.
Rivera has been otherwordly, but what Jeter does shouldn’t be downplayed.
If he’s physically able, and even when he’s not, he plays day in and day out. He plays a demanding position and plays nearly every inning of every game. And he’s made some key defensive plays, two of which will go down in Yankee lore forever thanks to the magic of television.
And he’s had some big hits, and he’s sparked quite a few rallies over the years.
Vin, I’ve been lobbying to get Boone in there this whole postseason.
But one question…does that mean the game goes into extra-innings?
“How can you have an MVP from a losing team? I’m sorry, that’s ridiculous.”
I agree with Betsy. Part of the reason why Bobby Richardson won the MVP in 1960 was because the Yankees were completely dominant in that World Series and lost on a historic game-winning home run. Barry Bonds had a much more dominant World Series than Utley, but he didn’t win the award.
If the Phillies get to a Game 7 and lose and Utley cranks out 2 or 3 more home runs in the next two games, then I could see the argument. But how valuable is your performance really if your team can only win 2 games?
Right, I forogt. Kruk was on that losing Philly team too.
“But the same people are posting the same thing 3 or 4 times. Broken record.”
Hey, no fair! I only had two posts about AJ’s home/road splits! And I haven’t made a “what the @#% is Girardi doing starting Molina” post in days!
I find this discussion about Utley getting MVP in losing cause very alarming. We have not won it yet. And this kind of talk makes me nervous that it will jinx the yankees.
We all had a good laugh at Philly Inquirer Macy’s ad congratulationg them for going back to back. Lets no indulge in that ourselves.
Barry bonds didn’t win it because the media hates him.
“But because it was tied game, if he gives up a run, they will lose the game given Mariano will be closing. If you are telling me that the urgency doesn’t change irrespective of who is pitching against you, I can sell you the same bridge.”
Ok NYS whatever you say. Lidge changed his pitching style because of someone that might come into the game and pitch for the other team.
Its really simple. He didn’t want the Phillies to fall behind. Same as he wouldn’t want the Yankees to tie it if the Phillies were ahead by a run.
I know you’re trying to post something profound and “outside the box” but I’m not buying it. You’re reaching for something that isn’t there. Good try though.
If you get Boone, you also need Bucky Dent and Chris Chambliss. Or is there too much of a theme there.
I didn’t say if the Yanks win Utley should win it, I said “regardless of who wins”. No jinx.
Mick, it’s called having another opinion….this has already been done to death, so I won’t beat on the dead horse anymore.
Wait,
Are you kidding? This is the world series. Are you saying the Phillies aren’t a good team?
If they’re getting beat, the Yankees are that much better and surely we can find a Yankee that’s more deserving than a runner up.
Wave Your Hat November 3rd, 2009 at 8:28 pm
“But the same people are posting the same thing 3 or 4 times. Broken record.”
Hey, no fair! I only had two posts about AJ’s home/road splits! And I haven’t made a “what the @#% is Girardi doing starting Molina” post in days!
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WYH- Are you on full rest?
@miggs.. ok dude.. we will never know unless we can read their mind.. anyhow, I am happy that we won and I am sure you are too..lol.
Jeter was #5 on my Best Yankee list until he hit into the double play last night. Now he’s #1 or 2 a completely different list.
GB, I just don’t agree with the notion……..frankly however, if the Yankees win and they give it to Utley, I probably won’t care very much (actually, I will because there are plenty of candidates on the Yankees).
My second choice for throwing out the first pitch is the most influential player to ever play in Yankee Stadium (new or old) – yes, Pedro Martinez.
Since Pedro will be in the pen – it will be “pseudo Pedro” dressed in devil horns, pitch fork and tail. Bring in Spielberg to do it right. The ball will turn into flames. Devil Pedro will disappear in a puff of smoke. The Bald Eagle Challenger decked in Yankee pinstripes will land on the mound with the devil costume in his teeth. (Jeter will be safely secure in the dugout)
Enough 19th century first pitch antics, let’s bring the game into the 21st century.
When did I ever say Philly wasn’t good?
What I DID say is that clearly Utley has been more valuable to his team than any Yankee. That’s no knock on Philly; they’re a great team, but the fact of the matter is Utley has placed them on his back and carried them. They would not be playing decent baseball if not for Utley.
Put it this way: What if Utley were Yankee? Is he MVP?
Manuel didn’t trust Lidge last night to close with a THREE RUN LEAD.Mo has been spectacular all year,but took postseason up a notch.
I was listening to a sports radio host in another city, on radiotime.com who happens to be friends with another radio host in Philly.The Philly host, sent Kevin(Sports Radio Host) an email saying Whew, about the Yankees and Phillies game ,and how close the Yankees came to winning!!
# Betsy November 3rd, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Mick, it’s called having another opinion….this has already been done to death, so I won’t beat on the dead horse anymore.
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What the heck are you talking about?
I do not get that argument, Wait. If Utley is a Yankee and the Yankees win, he probably gets it. However, he’s not a Yankee……If the Yankees win, they can find a very viable candidate from that team.
For all those arguing against Utley as MVP…..
Instead of complaining about a player on the losing team winning it why don’t you make an argument for which Yankee deserves it.
Its like what my arrogant boss used to say on the trading floor “Stop talking about the problem and telling me what’s wrong. Instead come up with a solution. I don’t want to hear about your problems.” (true story)
Betsy November 3rd, 2009 at 8:32 pm
GB, I just don’t agree with the notion……..frankly however, if the Yankees win and they give it to Utley, I probably won’t care very much (actually, I will because there are plenty of candidates on the Yankee
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I thought you were done beating a horse.
Mick, forget it. Honestly, I refuse to get into any arguments with anyone tonight……If you disagree with me about the MVP coming from a losing team, fine. It’s not that important to me.
“Barry bonds didn’t win it because the media hates him.”
So then Utley should win it because he’s a good guy? That’s bunk. If there was any player to recreate the tradition of “Player from the losing team wins MVP”, it was Bonds.
The whole “Yankees don’t have any candidates” is BS too. If the Yankees win it, they have two strong candidates: Johnny Damon for having one of the biggest plays in World Series history, plus his stats aren’t shabby either (.381 BA, .435 OPB, 476 SLG). And there’s Mariano Rivera, who has been a rock as a closer when this postseason has been defined by closer implosions.
“Vin, I’ve been lobbying to get Boone in there this whole postseason.
But one question…does that mean the game goes into extra-innings?
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I’m not sure I can handle extra innings. I’m feeling my blood pressure rising just thinking about it.
“If you get Boone, you also need Bucky Dent and Chris Chambliss. Or is there too much of a theme there.”
That’s too much. For just this one night, I’d rather celebrate the humanity of Boone than the general awesomeness of the Yankees. His story is tremendous. And apparently he’s a legitimately great (not good) guy.
http://www.daytondailynews.com....._know.html
Guys, I can promise you that the only way Utley wins the MVP is if the Phillies win the World Series. It doesn’t matter if its fair or not. They just don’t give it to someone from the losing team.
” Betsy November 3rd, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Mick, it’s called having another opinion….this has already been done to death, so I won’t beat on the dead horse anymore.
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What the heck are you talking about?”
Mick I’ve been trying to figure that out for 3 years now.
# Betsy November 3rd, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Mick, forget it. Honestly, I refuse to get into any arguments with anyone tonight……If you disagree with me about the MVP coming from a losing team, fine. It’s not that important to me.
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Then stop talking about it.
miggs-
I set you up for that one.
Nome
You’re a idiot ! Kruk and Williams are Philly homers. The only reason why they are picking the Phillies is because they played for the Phillies and they hate the Yankees.
Exactly. He’s not a Yankee. So if his team were performing, he’d win MVP. So we should penalize him because of subpar play by his team?
There will be several Yankees that will have good series. But, barring a Reggie-like performance, none of them will be equal to Utley’s.
Let’s define MVP this way: Based on how each player is playing right now in this series, who would you want playing for your team?
The answer is Utley. Regardless of who wins.
If we all agree that it shouldn’t mater whether an MVP candidate’s team makes the playoffs in the regular season, why should it change in the postseason? He’s the Most Valuable Player on both teams, even if his team isn’t doing the job around him.
So let’s penalize players for not having a good team. Does that make sense?
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perhaps you are talking about the regular season, but we’re talking about the World Series.
blake-You’re probably right. But I think it’s unfair.
And it being the WS makes a difference because…?
Let’s define MVP this way: Based on how each player is playing right now in this series, who would you want playing for your team?
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Mariano Rivera. Hands down.
Especially considering how every other closer in the playoffs imploded.
Wait, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the meaning of the word valuable……
7789 November 3rd, 2009 at 7:47 pm
pat
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Kruk and Williams picking against the Phils would be like Gossage and Mattingly picking against the Yanks.
Sometimes not burning bridges is more important than being right.
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I dont think you can compare them to Mattingly and Gossage. Maybe like Giambi and Farnsworth picking against the yankees.
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Really.
Williams only played two seasons for the phills and he got run out of town on a rail after he served up the meatball to joe carter in the world series. They really hated him, and probably still do. It’s pathetic that he tries to build this short miserable run into something it isn’t.
Kruk = Giambi is a good call. Kruk only played half of career in philly. And like Giambi he sucked as a fielder, used PEDs and was unreliable because he was a fat pig.
Betsy
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:32 pm
GB, I just don’t agree with the notion……..frankly however, if the Yankees win and they give it to Utley, I probably won’t care very much (actually, I will because there are plenty of candidates on the Yankees).
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There are a lot of people that will agree with you, Betsy. All depends on how you view the term MVP. Personally, I though Rodriguez and Sabathia should have shared the ALDS/ALCS series, but, only my opinion. I can understand your viewpoint, just don’t agree with it.
# Betsy November 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Wait, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the meaning of the word valuable……
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Betsy-
The horse. The horse!
Scared Of The Wall:
Mo has pitched well, in a small sample of innings. He has not contributed to as many games as Utley, in as big a way.
I’m not saying Mo could not do it on a larger sample size, I’m saying going by oly how everything has unfolded so far in the WS.
If Alex had Utley’s postseason, and the Phillies won it all I wouldn’t have any problem giving it to a player from the winning team. In the spirit of the award, I think it should be given to the player who was most valuable in contributing to the cause.
betsy is far, far from the most illogical poster on LoHud. Picking on her is absurd, miggs. It does you no credit.
“Wait, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the meaning of the word valuable……”
So what’s your definition? Best player on a winning team? Because that’s not the most valuable player if someone else has contributed far more positively to his team than that player.
How about the meaning of the word “is.”
Really you guys have too much time on your hands if you are arguing over the MVP.
“Wait, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the meaning of the word valuable……”
Just make a point for crying out loud!
Anytime someone challenges what you write you either start hurling insults or say you don’t want to argue.
Just make a freaking point. Back up your argument with something of substance. Just once.
GB, I agree with you about the ALCS – I thought it was stupid that Alex wasn’t co-MVP. However, I’m not sure Alex will get voted anything anytime soon, so I can’t say I’m surprised.
If Alex had Utley’s WS and the Phillies won it…A-Rod would deserve MVP.
I wouldn’t care that much if he didn’t win it, but he’d still deserve it.
MIggs-
Do you have a crush on Betsy?
Is it weird that I plan on studying up on Pedro’s two previous playoff starts tonight?
Although it’s a longshot that the Yankees ask me for my scouting report, I’ll just feel more comfortable having it…just in case.
Because it’s not open to all players. It’s not the most valuable player in the league, the most valuable player on the last 2 teams standing.
If you think there’s value in helping your team be the runner up, then that’s where I joing Betsy.
Wave, thanks. At this point, he’s just hot air because I’m not even reading what he says. His rants against me just reflect badly on him – and he wonders why I don’t respond to him. He fits the definition of the word clueless more than anyone I know. You know, I’m not the kind of person that would insult or be rude to anyone, especially on boards like these where the idea is to engage in conversation. I would never, ever think to do to anyone what this guy is doing to me. To all my friends here, I do apologize for this – I have tried to hold my tongue, but I’m human after all.
mick-If we din’t have too much time on our hands we wouldn’t be here.
Sorry I’ll stop.
Its so annoying to me and a lot of other posters.
But I’ll let it go. What choice do I really have? Nothing ever changes, no matter what anyone says to her.
It’s not “helping the team win runner up”. It’s doing more to contribute positively to his team than any player on the field.
Wait till the World Series November 3rd, 2009 at 8:47 pm
mick-If we din’t have too much time on our hands we wouldn’t be here.
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Time on your hands is a good thing.
mick: LOL
Can I ask why everyone is talking about MVPs again?
Was this not the topic of conversation before Game 5?
Did we not learn our lesson?
My two cents about the Utley MVP thing.
Even if Utley hits another HR or 2 tomorrow and the Yankees win, do you think Utley will even WANT the WS MVP?
I can’t imagine any player accepting an individual award while their team is packing up their lockers.
M, lol – you get me!
Wait, the whole idea is to reward the player who most helps the team win. Just because it won’t be Utley’s fault if the Phils lose doesn’t mean he should get the award. There will be players to choose from on the Yankees who helped their team win.
Wait till the World Series November 3rd, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Scared Of The Wall:
Mo has pitched well, in a small sample of innings. He has not contributed to as many games as Utley, in as big a way.
I’m not saying Mo could not do it on a larger sample size, I’m saying going by oly how everything has unfolded so far in the WS.
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I think it’s arguable. Chase Utley obviously had a huge impact in Game 1 and Game 5.
Mo played a major part in the Game 2 win. He disposed of the Phillies pretty quickly in Games 3 and 4, which just underscores how effective he is. Mariano’s the only reliable guy in either bullpen.
miggs
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I do not see much if anything wrong with what Betsy is posting. They are just her opinions. I am not sure why you have to go out of your way to attack everything she writes. If it is out of superstition for good luck for the Yankees, proceed. If not, I really do not see the point.
I love how Miggs thinks he speaks for everyone on this blog…….how presumptuous. He speaks for himself, a crony or two and a whole bunch of loser trolls who pop in and then pop out, never to return.
Jeremy wrote: “We all know that Gammons, Kruk, and Williams were going to pick the Phillies to win game 6. Doesn’t mean much because they have been wrong all year long.”
So true. It was Kruk who said at the start of the playoffs that the Yankees “should just stay home” because their pitching wasn’t good enough. Maybe Kruk should stay home.
that’s “join”
this whole mvp thing gives me a headache….as m would say “can we talk about something else.”
It’s more than it not being Utley’s fault that he lost; he’s contributed more to helping his team win than any other player.
As long as a two-faced, biased jerk like selig has an imput into subjectiving voting for awards, alex Rodriguez will get nothing. You’re already seeing his differing views in respect to McGwire and Rodriguez. Selig is drooling all over McGwire over his return and Sosa is next. Why? Because those two saved Selig’s job after 1994.
CR, thank you, but it’s a waste of time. Everything I write, he disagrees with – no matter what it is. If I said the Yankees play in the Bronx, he’d carp on my comment and say that I lied. It’s ok – I can handle him. He hates me, hates my comments……fortunately, he’s not in my life and not someone I care about. It’s unfortunate that he pollutes this place with his hate-filled, sarcastic tirades, but that’s his business.
“Let’s define MVP this way: Based on how each player is playing right now in this series, who would you want playing for your team?”
Considering how shaky their bullpen is, I think Charlie Manuel wouldn’t mind having Mariano Rivera
I mean, we can argue in circles about this. Barry Bonds was the single best candidate for “Losing player wins WS MVP” since 1960, and he didn’t win. Bonds had the single most dominant World Series ever with the exception of Ruth and Gehrig in the 1928 World Series.
I know he was a jerk, which is why he didn’t win and that Utley is a good guy which is why he might win, but to me that’s not a good enough reason.
If the series goes 7 games and CC is the winning pitcher then he could win MVP.
No offensive player on the Yankees has really differentiated himself. Damon? I guess. A Rod had some huge hits but overall hasn’t been good.
Mo could win it but I don’t think that’s likely.
If the Yankees win tomorrow I think Utley wins the award. He’s clearly been the best player on either team.
We’re really tempting the baseball gods with all this MVP talk.
That said, the Yanks best candidates are (in order):
1) Damon
2) Jeter
3) Mo
4) Alex
LOL that’s true, GB. Then again, Alex always gets the worst of it. David Ortiz is supposedly very likeable – so is Manny Ramirez. They didn’t get half the heat Alex got……However, Alex got his revenge. While Ortiz and Manny did zip in the playoffs, Alex has turned his rep around almost completely.
“If the Yankees win tomorrow I think Utley wins the award. He’s clearly been the best player on either team.”
And I would gladly make that trade. He can put his trophy next to his LOSER Ring.
Have they ever given an MVP to a member of the losing team?
Seems odd.
Just because who deserved to win (Bonds) didn’t doesn’t mean that other players who deserve to win shouldn’t.
Vin, that’s why I keep saying IF the Yankees win…lol, it’s hardly a foregone conclusion. The Phillies are champs for a reason – they are a hard bunch to knock out.
When MLB runs the Bob Costas Show in Room 42, it is a must see. some funny stuff with three umpires.
Can people move away from MVP discussions? Counting the chickens before the eggs hatch is never ever good.
It is impossible at this juncture to name an MVP. So much more is about to transpire. It’s unlikely for the losing team to get it especially when Mo is involved.
BTW the yanks slaughtered the Bucs in 60, runs and hits-wise.They really had no mvp, unless you count the pebble that caused the bad hop to Kubek’s throat.
*someone* who deserved to win…
Here’s a change of topic:
Which featured ESPN story in the middle of the World Series is ESPN’s favorite?
Jim Leyritz’s DUI or Joba’s mother?
Tough call. Both have equal non-relevance to this team in any shape or form. Hmmm.
This ends the conversation:
http://www.baseball-reference......postseason
If Bonds didn’t win it in ‘02, then no losing player should.
He got on base 70% of the time! He was walked in 13 out of 30 plate appearances (7 legitimately intentional).
In 17 official ABs, he had 4 HRs, 2 Doubles, and 2 Singles.
He SLG’d 1.294!
The only reason he didn’t have better numbers was because they wisely pitched around him.
He was an unbelievable force that year.
Yea that umpire show was pretty interesting. I love Costas, I wish he were calling the games…
Cape Cod Holy Cow
Yeah Kruk, Gammons, and Williams are know nothings. Anything that comes out of their mouths means nothing.
If the Yankees win tomorrow I think Utley wins the award. He’s clearly been the best player on either team.
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Miggs,
Now how can you say that?
What if Mo has another 2 inning save?
What if Damon hits a granny (remember that?).
How about Alex with a walk-off jack?
So many possibilities, so little time.
vin: No, it doesn’t.
Repost:
Just because someone who deserved to win (Bonds) didn’t doesn’t mean that other players who deserve to win shouldn’t.
“This ends the conversation:
http://www.baseball-reference&.....postseason
If Bonds didn’t win it in ‘02, then no losing player should.”
Thank you! That’s what I’ve been trying to say. Bonds may have had the most dominant World Series performance ever, win or lose. The only people in the conversation are Ruth and Gehrig in 1928.
The Phillies have to win the next two series for Utley to even sniff the award.
I love Bob Costas. When he did NBC postseason baseball with the Yankees, it was the best ever.
The most professional man I have ever heard regarding the Yankees.
Thankfully, he never sold himself down the river to ESPN or FOX or NESN.
Can we just stop the MVP talk. The only thing that matters is a World Series win. No one cares about the mvp.
“Just because who deserved to win (Bonds) didn’t doesn’t mean that other players who deserve to win shouldn’t.”
No, but it indicates how the voters approach their voting.
Trying to guess who SHOULD win MVP is a waste of time because there is no right answer. It’s a circular argument.
Trying to guess who WILL win MVP is a fun way to kill the time, with a real pay-off at the end… the announcement of the guy who won. It’s a linear debate.
I am watching MLB network’s world series show. Its incredible how these morons are saying momentum now favours Philly or how Yanks’s haven’t really convincingly beat Philly? Are these people real? have they watched the same games that we did?
“Just because someone who deserved to win (Bonds) didn’t doesn’t mean that other players who deserve to win shouldn’t.”
Agree to disagree. To me, Bonds already set the precedent that no matter how dominant a player is, unless there are absolutely no good candidates, the World Series MVP should always go to the winning team.
All that said, let’s win the game tomorrow first.
Did Miggs and Betsy get a room?
Who SHOULD win MVP is not a waste of time. There are stats. Which I never got the dislike of. Statistics are events, reduced to numbers. That’s it. And Utley is putting up better stats than anybody else.
It’s unbelievable that an MLB players mother could get arrested for selling drugs, when sports player, especially baseball, get paid so much much.
Whatever Joba’s Mom made in that one drug deal, Joba probably makes per one pitch.
I’ll tell you who is the MVPOS, which is a combination of the words MVP and POS.
P = Pieces, not Player
The HP umpires. Disgraces to humanity. Do not understand how they are allowed to go without consequences, from baseball, or baseball’s fanatics.
NYS
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 pm
I am watching MLB network’s world series show. Its incredible how these morons are saying momentum now favours Philly or how Yanks’s haven’t really convincingly beat Philly? Are these people real? have they watched the same games that we did?
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Let them talk. I prefer being the underdog if that’s the position they want to put us in.
The morons are saying that both bullpens are shaky. Again, are you kidding? Our bullpen is much better than Philly. They think Pedro is going to rise to the ocassion. And what will Pettite do? bend over?
The HP umpires. Disgraces to humanity. Do not understand how they are allowed to go without consequences, from baseball, or baseball’s fanatics.
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They must have a strong union.
Looks like it’ll be cold tommorow night… pedro no like the cold…
NYS November 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 pm
I am watching MLB network’s world series show. Its incredible how these morons are saying momentum now favours Philly or how Yanks’s haven’t really convincingly beat Philly? Are these people real? have they watched the same games that we did?
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I think Harold Reynolds’ analysis is usually good, but he sounded like a fool today. “The Yankees never really dominated the Phillies in their wins, I’m not that confident in them.”
It’s the World Series, the games are supposed to be close!
They think Matt Stairs or Ben Fransisco is on par with Matsui as DH. What are they smoking? Matsui has 5 hits in 9 AB with 1.222 as OPS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....vreb%C3%B8
Read this guy’s Wiki. It happened last year during the UEFA Champions League Semis 2nd leg. Not only did this guy get banned from future Champions League and I believe UEFA competitions, he had his home and work address exposed to the public.
I personally love how players and managers will call out the laziness, the worthlessness, the incompetence, and the thievery of referees.
Heyya
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 pm
It’s unbelievable that an MLB players mother could get arrested for selling drugs, when sports player, especially baseball, get paid so much much.
Whatever Joba’s Mom made in that one drug deal, Joba probably makes per one pitch.
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Joba has been estranged from his mother for years. He was raised by his father.
“It’s unbelievable that an MLB players mother could get arrested for selling drugs, when sports player, especially baseball, get paid so much much.”
I don’t know how much money Joba’s mom was raking in, but it is a fallacy to assume that because someone is in major league baseball that they’re swimming in cash. Not everyone is A-Rod or Jeter. Joba only makes $390,000 a year.
@scared off the wall,
the game 3 was convincing 4-3 win. Game 4 was ablow out with 8-5. Game 2 was convincing 4-1 win. Harold has lost his marbles.
I can write 8 reasons why we should be favourites. One of them is the fact that even though Philly won yesterday, they were SCARED to use their closer with 3 run lead!!!!! They barely hung on yesterday. Their lean mean pitching machine LEE gave up 5 runs on regular rest. So if we go to game 7, they feel good with Lee going back on 2 days rest and be favourites?
Come on ! If your closer can’t get the job done, and you use madson who also sucks under pressure then you know your bullpen sucks.
Chan Ho Park ? LOL !
The Yankees almost beat them and they had a 6 run lead. Talk about pathetic !
The Phillies know that the Yankees are better than them.
Joba only makes $390,000 a year.
Are we supposed to cry for him?
Btw, these same guys yesterday were rooting for Philly so that it would go to game 7. Aren’t they suppossed to be neutral?
390,000 a year is great money, even if it isn’t A-Rod money. I bet tons of people here wish they made that much (me included).
JasonR,
I’m not sure if $390,000 is a lot to you. But if I made that much, trust me, I’d probably be in my indoor, underground, heated pool.
Prior to making my comment, I realized that Joba doesn’t make quite as much as ARod. If I were to put ARod in there, I would have rephrased my statement and said “ARod makes more per breath, than his mother would selling illegal paraphernalia for an hour.”
“Joba only makes $390,000 a year.
Are we supposed to cry for him?”
Good job missing the point
mick
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Joba only makes $390,000 a year.
Are we supposed to cry for him?
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Not for that. Cry for Joba for having a drug addict mother that’s making a scene while he’s pitching on the national stage in the biggest moments of his career.
No one should have to deal with that distraction, especially from their own mother.
Nick in SF
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Well, pat I just drove over the troubled Bay Bridge, and I gotta say: burn that sucker down!
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Simon and Garfunkel need to get that memo. Although I’m thinking that Troubled Bridge over Waters doesn’t have quite the same ring, lol.
Now that I think of it, it’s a shame how the jobs everyone wants (sports, acting, etc.) pay the most, while the least admirable jobs such as toilet scrubbers, get paid the least. Yet, the toilet scrubbers are the one’s who pay for their salary by going to the games and buying their jerseys. It’s interesting to see how society works.
“JasonR,
I’m not sure if $390,000 is a lot to you. But if I made that much, trust me, I’d probably be in my indoor, underground, heated pool.”
I know. And again, I don’t know how much money Joba’s mom was pulling in, but let’s just say that for the charges she’s facing there’s a pretty good chance she was making a lot more than her son was.
Yeah you could do alot with 390K.
Especially when in-season virtually everything is paid for… lodging, food, etc.
Those guys also get a ton of stuff for free.
Plus when you use Joba as an example you have to add in his endorsements.
No one should be thinking any major leaguer is struggling to get by. If a player is having trouble making ends meet they either have a bad drug habit or an uncontrollable gambling problem. Even the guys making the “minimum”.
The Phillies are going down and they know it. The Angels are a better team then the Phillies and they couldn’t beat the Yankees. Pitching wins and the Yankees have better pitching with a better lineup.
“I know. And again, I don’t know how much money Joba’s mom was pulling in, but let’s just say that for the charges she’s facing there’s a pretty good chance she was making a lot more than her son was.”
You’re obviously joking right? You think Joba’s mom made 400K a year selling drugs? Wasn’t she dealing meth? That stuff’s cheap. You’d have to be supplying the entire east coast to make 400K a year selling meth. LOL.
I disagree that the Angels were better. Philly is better than Anaheim/L.A./U.S.A.
BJK November 3rd, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Here’s a change of topic:
Which featured ESPN story in the middle of the World Series is ESPN’s favorite?
Jim Leyritz’s DUI or Joba’s mother?
Tough call. Both have equal non-relevance to this team in any shape or form. Hmmm.
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I can’t believe they forgot feature Steve Howe
“You’re obviously joking right? You think Joba’s mom made 400K a year selling drugs? Wasn’t she dealing meth? That stuff’s cheap. You’d have to be supplying the entire east coast to make 400K a year selling meth. LOL.”
She was caught selling meth to an undercover.
Again, I don’t know the entire story and all the circumstances. But the DEA doesn’t undercover to bust small timers.
This is the choice, Game 5: Gaudin on Full Rest on the road, game 6 AJ on FULL REST at home and IF you need a game 7: CC on short rest……OR AJ on Short Rest ON ROAD, ANDY on SHORT REST at home, then IF you need a game 7: CC on short rest…..WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND thinks that Andy on Short rest is BETTER than AJ on FULL REST at HOME ?….I’ll tell you who…..NOBODY !!!…Girardi gambled with the World Series ON THE LINE and LOST,,,,pure and simple….He BET that mister HOT and COLD ALL SEASON, could catch lightning and follow up a SUPER PERFORMANCE at Home,,,with a SUPER PERFORMANCE on the road….and look at AJs splits….where is he better….???? Hmmmmm…..Gaudin was the obvious SAFE BET to start game 7, so that you DON’T Have to pitch ALL 3 of the final 3 games of the World Series with your starters on Short Rest…..But will Girardi EVER admit it ?….Not a chance….Tomorrow is key, because IF it goes to a game 7, the Phillies have the momentum and ANYTHING can happen…..You gotta believe that Cashman also had a say in this stupidity, and he too gets the blame if the gamble comes up CRAPS !
What is MLB network talking about. A.J. sucked not because of the 3 days rest, it was because he sucked. And Pedro sucks ! He won’t have extra rest this time and the second time around against the yankees pedro won’t last long.
Gaudin in game 5, I meant…
miggs,
Take into consideration Joba is only getting paid for 9 months too. Basically, he comes home with a $390,000 check. That’s a nice down payment on a house.
And you’re also correct on the statement that it would take some kind of magician to make around $400,000 in merely selling drugs.
But all of this is completely irrelevant of course.
Don’t respond. Let him vent.
Girardi the clown
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND thinks that Andy on Short rest is BETTER than AJ on FULL REST at HOME ?
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Me.
JasonR November 3rd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
“You’re obviously joking right? You think Joba’s mom made 400K a year selling drugs? Wasn’t she dealing meth? That stuff’s cheap. You’d have to be supplying the entire east coast to make 400K a year selling meth. LOL.”
She was caught selling meth to an undercover.
Again, I don’t know the entire story and all the circumstances. But the DEA doesn’t undercover to bust small timers.
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Here’s a picture of her mansion in Omaha.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/.....andley.jpg
As you can tell, she was a BIG TIME playa
Game 6 here I come!
They better get the job done this time! Game 5 wasn’t as much fun as it should have been.
the Andy man can….
Wait till the World Series
Wrong ! The Phillies just have more pop in their lineup but their pitching stinks. The Angels are a better team then the Phillies. Everyone think the Phillies are so good because they beat weak NL teams like the Mets, Rockies, and Dodgers.
If the Phillies didn’t have Lee they would have been swept.
Possible 20 year sentence for a gram of anything seems harsh no?
Jeremy-Disagree. I think they have the legitimate Ace the Angels lacked and have a beter lineup. Otherwise, they’re comparable.
BJK=Clown like Girardi
Heyya
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:29 pm
miggs,
Take into consideration Joba is only getting paid for 9 months too. Basically, he comes home with a $390,000 check. That’s a nice down payment on a house.
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He doesn’t take home a $390,000 check.
Taxes take about what, 40%?
10% to his agent
10% to lawyer
5 or 10% to publicist.
He’s not exactly sweating in, but it’s not as much as you think.
Want to know the interesting thing?
The person she sold to was likely not a cop, and was likely either:
a.) Was a customer, who was caught selling to another, and snitched on her to get their sentence reduced or dropped.
b.) Was a random drug seller, that made a deal with the cops to bust a dealer of bigger status, to get their sentence reduced or dropped.
Normally, the “undercover” buys off of the dealer, a small quantity, and returns to the dealer a couple weeks later to buy about a pound off of them, and lock them up for a LONG time.
I want to be at this game. I have been looking for tickets for the last hour. Its so unfair how people ask for so much. UgH!!!!! So unfair to the hardcore fans who cant afford $600 a ticket!
“And you’re also correct on the statement that it would take some kind of magician to make around $400,000 in merely selling drugs.”
I’d rather get into a circular argument about baseball, but just to clarify. I said that “Joba only makes $390,000 a year” because, from what I know of the story is that his mom was busted by an undercover officer for selling meth and is facing 20-50 years. And just knowing that an undercover officer was involved and the # of time she’s facing just signals to me that she wasn’t some small timer looking to make a quick buck.
Again, I know nothing for sure and don’t really plan on knowing anything. I’m just making assumptions.
Also, not saying I know or don’t know for certain, but you’re completely underestimating what kind of scratch a big time drug dealer makes.
Well she can’t be worse than that disgrace to America, Alanis Morissette’s rendition…
BJK,
I understand that. I work, I know how it works. I said “basically” which I thought would show that there was some exaggerating involved. But $390,000 GROSS (Yes I understand it’s Gross) is some good money. I’m going to leave out the fact that he’s getting paid that much to play a game.
“Possible 20 year sentence for a gram of anything seems harsh no?”
Nebraska Meth Laws are some of the toughest in the U.S..
Meth is a huge problem out there.
I don’t think the Phillies are as good as the Angels. If the Angels faced the Phillies in the Series the Angels would win. Yeah they have Lee but nothing else. Their bullpen is a joke, and the starters after Lee are a joke.
JasonR,
Well, I don’t know much about the story at all, but I was taking into consideration that she works alone. If that were the case, she could only make so much. Now, let’s say it’s a group of people, importing it from Mexico(for example), now I’m sure they make a WHOLE lot more than Joba.
“The person she sold to was likely not a cop, and was likely either:
a.) Was a customer, who was caught selling to another, and snitched on her to get their sentence reduced or dropped.
b.) Was a random drug seller, that made a deal with the cops to bust a dealer of bigger status, to get their sentence reduced or dropped.”
Jackie Standley pleaded no contest Monday to an amended charge of delivery of a controlled substance, according to court records. The 44-year-old Standley was arrested in May after selling a gram of methamphetamine to an *undercover officer* at her Lincoln residence.
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....43579.html
“Well, I don’t know much about the story at all, but I was taking into consideration that she works alone. If that were the case, she could only make so much. Now, let’s say it’s a group of people, importing it from Mexico(for example), now I’m sure they make a WHOLE lot more than Joba.”
That’s true too. Didn’t factor that in.
On that note, I think I liked it better when we were talking about Utley being MVP.
Heyya
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:40 pm
BJK,
I understand that. I work, I know how it works. I said “basically” which I thought would show that there was some exaggerating involved
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No insult meant, Heyya. There’s many out there who don’t think about the agent fees, lawyer fees, etc, so I thought I’d point it out.
My biggest point in all this is no matter how much he brings home, it’s a shame to have a parent embarrass him like this on a national level when he should be enjoying the World Series, something he’s worked his whole life to reach. You should be able to depend on your mother, not have to defend her for the indefensible.
JasonR,
That was my point. The drug dealers that made a deal with the cop are considered undercover officers. The police department gives them a REAL badge. They are considered undercover, because for that stint, they ARE undercover officers.
I didn’t mean to start a argument, I just wanted to post a little something that maybe not everyone knew about. I guess it went unappreciated though.
Soooooo…can we get back to AJ and how much of a headcase he is?
BJK,
I agree. I couldn’t imagine reading this before the most important game of my life. Not only reading this about a family member, but about my own mother. It’s a shame, and I truly feel sorry for him, but it’s obviously something he has dealt with for a while.
JasonR,
Yes, I agree. I didn’t partake in the Utley MVP talk just because someone, not sure who already made a good point. Possibly you? About how the MVP should be the person who is most valuable to their ball club, whether the winner or not.
Although, to be honest with you, if I were a voter, I would take into factor the winning club.
As a Yankee fan I wouldn’t be upset if Utley won it, he deserved it.
Zach in Port Jeff
LOL ! The 10 cent head of A.J. Burnett.
My thoughts on Utley.
Can we back him off the plate? Please?
He needs to eat dirt. I’m not saying hit the guy, but he is WAY too comfortable crowding that plate.
They’ve hit ARod enough. Get Utley off the plate.
And he should get nothing in the strike zone. I know who Ryan Howard is, but clearly he is the lesser of 2 evils right now. Until Howard breaks out of his slump, pitch around Utley. He is doing the damage.
AJ’s inconsistencies are why I never liked him for 4 years, and wanted him for 3 AT MOST. I’m not sure if it’s all in AJ’s head. I feel like it’s all in his mechanics.
He is basically good half the time, and bad the other half. It can’t be because he is too pumped up one day over the other. Or lets say, just for arguments sake, that he woke up with too much on his mind. I just don’t buy it. That’s why I hate when fans assume that is his issue, there is no logical way that could be the case, every time.
Utley has had an amazing World Series so far, but he’s not even the MVP of his team. That honor goes to Cliff Lee.
Baking Utley off of the plate is a good idea, I say do it a couple of times, not just one. I’m not one to think that baseball players are scared to get hit, and if that’s not the case than baking them off would in fact work. But absolutely nothing else has worked, and if all else fails, try something new. Brushing him off of the plate would definitely be a welcome change at this point in time.
RSM November 3rd, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Utley has had an amazing World Series so far, but he’s not even the MVP of his team. That honor goes to Cliff Lee.
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Eh, he was dominant in Game 1 but wasn’t as sharp yesterday. 7 hits, 5 earned runs, 3 walks, 3 strikeouts.
This is off topic, but watching ESPN reminded me of how I use to hate Phil Ivey’s (yes, the Poker star) sister. She is a teacher at several schools in my area, including High School and College. I remembered her for being that crabby lady who appeared to always be on her menstrual cycle. She IS pretty though.
Just for fun, who gets LEAST valuable player?
Nominees:
Ryan Howard
Robbie Cano
Brad Lidge
Phil Coke
RSM,
You need to make a strong argument for Teixeira. He is hitting low .050’s I believe.
Let’s talk about the MVP of the FOX broadcasting team.
You’ve got Joe Buck, who looks like he is going to die if the Yankees win.
You’ve got Ken Rosenthal, who looks like he enjoys touching the players and giggling with them, which is why I hope his wife keeps him away from their kids.
You’ve got Tim McCarver, who hates the Yankees, but not as much as Joe. He sounds like he is half drunk, half just plain stupid the entire time.
Mark Grace, sounds like your high school football player living off of what he did in high school, bragging about one hit he got off Mo.
Chris Rose, not sure about.
Ozzie Guillen, who most people despise for his brash remarks, sounds more professional than ESPN and FOX combined.
My vote for FOX MVP: Ozzie Guillen in a landslide.
Utley could be the MVP of the Phil’s two victories?
But honestly, I think the MVP belongs to the winning team.
To the victor goes the spoils!
Tex has been bad too. But at least he got on base by HBP. That’s still more productive than Cano
Bronx Jeers November 3rd, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Utley could be the MVP of the Phil’s two victories?
But honestly, I think the MVP belongs to the winning team.
To the victor goes the spoils!
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You ain’t kiddin’! I get so many freebies and I get comped everywhere.
Utley definitely needs to be moved back off the plate all night. Make him move his feet. If he gets hit, he does.
Give him nothing to hit. If it means he walks, so be it, but with the way he has hit you don’t let one player to have their chance to beat you.
I think Andy will be very honest with Girardi about how well he feels on starting. If he struggles the hook will be quicker than normal, as there is little room for error, unless the Yankees are pounding the Phillies pitchers.
hopefully yanks beat on pedro tomorrow and andy pitches well enough..Lets end it tomorrow yanks
In search of DVR room, I’m going through hours of recordings.
I am now watching the 2008 All-Star game, played at the real Yankee Stadium, of course, and chuckling while the fans treat Jonathan Papelbon to chants of “Mar-i-a-no!” and “O-ver-rate-ted!”
LOL.
I miss my old stadium. And I miss those people who can’t afford to get into the new one.
Matt
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:38 pm
I want to be at this game. I have been looking for tickets for the last hour. Its so unfair how people ask for so much. UgH!!!!! So unfair to the hardcore fans who cant afford $600 a ticket!
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I can totally relate. Ever since Game 2 I have been looking for tickets with no success. I would love more than anything to be at Yankee’s Stadium cheering on my boys. I waited in line for 5 hours the day of Game 2 with no success because Stubhub’s prices were to rich for my blood. Unfortunately it is the law of the land, people will make a buck where they can even if it means making a profit on Yankee’s tickets. Regardless of where I end up tomorrow, I am going to be cheering them on (even if I do get in trouble for waking up the neighbors…LOL)
Abdababdaserser,
I’m not so sure Andy will be as honest with Girardi as you think. He is a competitor, and wants the ball as much as any other player. As laid back as he might seem, he wants the ball, and I really believe he will do what it takes to send Girardi back into the dugout.
Posada, on the other hand, will be the one to spoil Andy’s night if he feels like he doesn’t have it.
i miss the loudness, the intimidation, the history, the crowd, and the intensity of the old stadium…
i think in about 5 years the new stadium will be legit…the problems will be fixed, and the real crowds will pour in.
by the way…does anyone else think that babe ruth plaza should have an awesome statue of babe ruth?
just a thought…
wouldnt hurt to have that else where as well…plus the new stadium could use some grass…it is very gray.
thoughts on Utley:
he has 5 HR
IIRC, they are all on fastballs that were either left over the middle of the plate or were hit in a situation where has was able to sit fastball.
Andy dropped in a few curveballs that Utley couldn’t react on. He is sitting fastball.
Vary speeds to the guy. Mix in a heavy dose of offspeed stuff. When you do throw the fastball, it best be inside.
Basically, he’s made the most of some mistake pitches. Great hitters do that.
But Andy can handle him if he can locate his offspeed stuff.
Boston Dave – ONE win til 27
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Game 6 here I come!
They better get the job done this time! Game 5 wasn’t as much fun as it should have been.
the Andy man can….
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BD, awesome you managed to get tickets? Have a fabulous time! I myself am trying to see if I could somehow, some way get tickets.
Boston Dave,
I feel like you hit the nail on the head. That’s what you need to do with Utley, and EVERY other hitter in the game. It’s not like our pitchers aren’t trying that. The problem occurs when they don’t execute it. And just as you said, the good hitters will take advantage of those mistakes more often than those considered inferior.
Have fun Boston Dave. That is certainly the game to be at.
“BD, awesome you managed to get tickets? Have a fabulous time!”
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yes, got the call at 7:30 tonight that MLB has a couple more tickets for me. Crazy…
they need to do away with stubhub, IMO. Put most of the tickets into a fairly run lottery so fans can actually get them for face value.
I think LoHud needs to find a way to get a bunch of tickets in the future and give them out to it’s loyal readers… we are some of the most dedicated, knowledgeable Yankee fans in the world.
I agree that Andy is a competitor, he will start, but he will also know if its going to put the team in danger of losing. I don’t see him risking the outcome of the game due to being a competitor.
Victorino is said to be day to day. His index finger was pretty swollen. That might make things interesting either way, for the Phillies.
Thanks Christina…
I should have mentioned this to you but I forgot.
I was 10 feet from Al Leiter and the rest of the MLB crew in Philly last night while they were on commercial break. I yelled out to him “AlLeitersBullpenCatcher.com”
I realize now I forgot the blogspot. He didn’t react… but he had to have heard me
Boston Dave – ONE win til 27
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:37 pm
thoughts on Utley:
he has 5 HR
IIRC, they are all on fastballs that were either left over the middle of the plate or were hit in a situation where has was able to sit fastball.
Andy dropped in a few curveballs that Utley couldn’t react on. He is sitting fastball.
Vary speeds to the guy. Mix in a heavy dose of offspeed stuff. When you do throw the fastball, it best be inside.
Basically, he’s made the most of some mistake pitches. Great hitters do that.
But Andy can handle him if he can locate his offspeed stuff.
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Dave, Pettitte has been the only pitcher that has really handled Utley, Howard ans Ibanez. He struck all three out twice during his game and shut them down completely in 9 total at bats. However, I do blame Pettitte for not sharing his secrets with Sabathia. That selfish behavior of withholding secrets may cost the Yanks a title.
“The problem occurs when they don’t execute it. And just as you said, the good hitters will take advantage of those mistakes more often than those considered inferior.”
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heyya,
the Yanks have been missing with pitch location so much more than usual, it seems.
They are good enough to miss their spots against weaker hitting teams, but the Phillies have a few bats that don’t miss mistakes.
I feel like Andy has commanded his pitches quite well in the postseason. He doesn’t have nearly the stuff that CC and AJ have but it hasn’t mattered.
I have faith in Andy tomorrow because of that. The short rest is a concern because if his arm is tired, location will be the first thing to go. But Andy is tried and true… I like our chances.
GB7,
I remember how much trouble they had with his curveball. IIRC, he was able to get ahead in the count by dropping the curve in to them without any swings. Once they had to respect that, his other pitches were much more effective.
Andy is in a contract year too so no sharing… either that or he assumed AJ, CC, and Eiland would learn something from his approach.
If people spent more time reading the lines than trying to read between them, they would have realized that opposed to giving up any ghost, I decided to go to the movies!
mel, I didn’t totally understand your point about ending debate since the debate was about whether or not AJ should have pitched last night and as you can imagine there was a lot of controversy surrounding that.
I will say though as is often the case here, bad information often leads to good information and thanks to some excellent comments from Drive 4-5 and others the bad information was dispatched with.
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KF, if you are here, I absolutely loved the Michael Jackson movie. It’s still surreal to me that he isn’t with us. What an absolute genius he was to the music industry. Watching him perform some of the older songs brought me to tears.
“I agree that Andy is a competitor, he will start, but he will also know if its going to put the team in danger of losing. I don’t see him risking the outcome of the game due to being a competitor.”
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Eiland and Girardi should know when one of their pitchers doesn’t have it.
I’d have no problem if they pull a guy proactively before he gets shelled.
It’s tough with a guy like AJ who can look totally lost one inning and unhittable the very next. They should know fairly quickly if Andy is feeling it.
I think I heard on the radio today (Joe and Evan on WFAN, I think? Yes – with Sweeney) that Andy hasn’t pitched on less than 5 days rest in weeks………5, not 4. Wow – that could mean something tomorrow.
BD – you absolutely deserve to be there tomorrow night! That’s your reward for trekking to Philly and having to watch the game end the way it did.
You will be representing so many of us. I decided to enjoy it from home. There was nothing I found on stubhub that I could afford and was where I would have wanted to sit. I just couldn’t travel all that distance to sit out in the boondocks (we know I have problems with heights so that would let out a lot of seats.
I just console myself by saying that I am limiting my chances of getting swine flu!
Do you know where you will be sitting? I truly believe that you are going to see the winning game tomorrow night. The ghosts wanted this one back at the Stadium, I truly believe!
Boston Dave – ONE win til 27
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 pm
GB7,
I remember how much trouble they had with his curveball. IIRC, he was able to get ahead in the count by dropping the curve in to them without any swings. Once they had to respect that, his other pitches were much more effective.
Andy is in a contract year too so no sharing… either that or he assumed AJ, CC, and Eiland would learn something from his approach.
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It’s seems like he had them completely confused. He’d work them backwards in one at bat and then, completely different. With Burnett and even with Sabathia in their second starts, they pitched the same way. Pettitte didn’t have a pattern and a lot of that credit goes to the catcher, which I assume was molina, because according to 90% of this board, is too intelligent to fall into a pattern. Tomorrow should be interesting. One thing’s for certain, Burnett needs to trust Posada, because, next year, that will be his main catcher. Molina will be gone.
“I think I heard on the radio today (Joe and Evan on WFAN, I think? Yes – with Sweeney) that Andy hasn’t pitched on less than 5 days rest in weeks………5, not 4. Wow – that could mean something tomorrow.”
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it’s all Andy’s fault for always winning the elimination games.
Optimistically speaking, that just means Andy has had more rest than usual which would make 1 start on short rest easier to handle.
20 hours and 50 minutes until Game 6!!!!!
“If you ever wondered what its sounds like when a baseball player is pressing in the postseason, you’d be surprised to know the soundtrack is REO Speedwagon.”
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....nd_ya.html
I think the rain delay also had a huge role in Andy being gassed in his previous start. He was already warmed up when the game was delayed. He said he felt great before the delay.
I think he will be fine tomorrow
“It’s seems like he had them completely confused. He’d work them backwards in one at bat and then, completely different.”
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very true.
and confusion would have been useful in last night’s game where the Phillies figured AJ would stick with what worked in Game 2 – throwing a first pitch fastball to get ahead.
AJ just needs to forget who is catching and remember everything that Roy Halladay supposedly taught him. I do think AJ will be better in 2010 regardless of who catches him.
Pitching on this grand stage and in NY opens AJ to more criticism and more scrutiny. The result? I hope it leads to a better understanding of what is causing his inconsistency.
When you are as talented as AJ is, perhaps it’s a little harder to scrap bad habits because you can sometimes succeed with them anyway.
GB, I think AJ does trust Posada, but Joe doesn’t believe that he does……..or, Joe believes that AJ needs Molina as a crutch. That’s Joe’s problem and Cash needs to talk to him about it.
BD, good point!
good point Erica.
no rain for tomorrow.
plus, Andy is money in elimination games this season.
Wouldn’t tomorrow make him 3-0 in closeout games?
Pettitte doesn’t work on needing power, which is different than Burnett and Sabathia. Short rest could actually work in his favor, because he should have his breaking stuff earlier. He should have less issues with the power sapping fastballs. His biggest concern should be keeping his hands warm on the mound. If he gets through 6 innings and three runs or less, he’ll have succeeded. It’s up to the hitters to get Martinez early and often. One thing that Pettitte knows how to do is close out a post season series, whether he has nothing or not. He talked about having nothing and still struck out 7 in 6 innings, including Utley, Howard and Ibanez 6 times. His main concern will be Werth and Ruiz, I think.
I’m so not worried about Andy’s game. Any concern I had about AJ’s was because his best work hasn’t been on the road and his competition was Lee.
As someone pointed out earlier, all Andy has to do is better than Pedro. I don’t think that’s going to be difficult at all for him.
The ghosts wanted it back at the Stadium, and Andy is bringing good karma with him for admitting to his HGH use (as opposed to Mr. Misremembering and Ortiz) and Arod has brought good karma with him for admitting that he used.
That’s my take on the situation anyway. And it doesn’t hurt that the Yankees are a formidible opponent any way you slice it!
Boston Dave – ONE win til 27
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
good point Erica.
no rain for tomorrow.
plus, Andy is money in elimination games this season.
Wouldn’t tomorrow make him 3-0 in closeout games?
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Actually, 4-0 if you count that he was on the mound for the AL East clincher
“If he gets through 6 innings and three runs or less, he’ll have succeeded.”
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no doubt, and I agree on his offspeed stuff.
I would venture to say that even 6IP and 4 runs is acceptable.
Tomorrow, IMO, is a game that is on the offense to win.
It’s time for them to show up and mash.
I think the momentum from the 8th and 9th innings from game 5, the return of Matsui, and the return to the Bronx will be fuel to the offensive fire we’re going to witness tomorrow night.
At least with Pettitte you know that even if he doesn’t have his best stuff he knows how to improvise and adjust. AJ has 2 pitches and it’s either all or nothing. He’s thrower – a great thrower – but not a pitcher. Andy has the experience to pitch.
Still think the key will be to jump on Pedro early.
BD, I agee with you….AJ will be better next year. You know he works hard and he cares – maybe he should try to change his mechanics, work in his change more? All I know is that his interview with Kim Jones (which I saw for the first time, today) was almost funereal. She seemed to walk on egg shells around him, sensing how upset AJ was. I just really feel badly for him – Newsday had a pic of AJ looking absolutely dejected; in the interview, he sounded so eager to get a chance to redeem himself.
I’m watching that Studio 42 umpire show.
Just some great stories being told.
“Actually, 4-0 if you count that he was on the mound for the AL East clincher”
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right on Erica!
what are the odds that Buck, McCarver, Kruk, or anyone on Fox or ESPN knows that?
Boston Dave – ONE win til 27
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 pm
“Actually, 4-0 if you count that he was on the mound for the AL East clincher”
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right on Erica!
what are the odds that Buck, McCarver, Kruk, or anyone on Fox or ESPN knows that?
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A long shot
Anyone remember when Steve Palermo was shot? He was probably the best in the game – he was shot in a successful attempt to save someone’s life.
“Newsday had a pic of AJ looking absolutely dejected; in the interview, he sounded so eager to get a chance to redeem himself.”
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Pies aside, AJ is an easy guy to like.
Starting in spring training, he made every effort to build a family atmosphere with the other starters.
Of course I’d love for AJ to dominate every time out. But if nothing else, the fact that we see that the guy is human and fallible makes him easy to root for.
The fact that he wants to redeem himself so badly will only make it sweeter when he does.
Boston Dave – ONE win til 27
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 pm
“If he gets through 6 innings and three runs or less, he’ll have succeeded.”
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no doubt, and I agree on his offspeed stuff.
I would venture to say that even 6IP and 4 runs is acceptable.
Tomorrow, IMO, is a game that is on the offense to win.
It’s time for them to show up and mash.
I think the momentum from the 8th and 9th innings from game 5, the return of Matsui, and the return to the Bronx will be fuel to the offensive fire we’re going to witness tomorrow night.
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Then, would you agree that even though the Yanks lost the game, they actually won, because they gained momentum and have a fresh Rivera? Not only that, but, ESPN and all of baseball is pulling for them.
I am completely exhausted. And I did not win the mega millions so I need to work tomorrow
Good night Yankee people!
For those of you worried about game 6 here is a really interesting corollary to the 2009 situation-it’s the 1977 World Series.
The Yankees and Dodger split the first two games at Yankee Stadium, then the Yankees won games 3 and 4 in LA.
The Dodgers won game 5, 10-4, and had Burt Hooten, who had shut down the Yankees in game 2, ready for game 6 on regular rest. The Yankees pitched Mike Torres, who had started and won game 3 and was pitching game 6 on 3 days rest.
You may remember that game, I think someone had a candy bar named after him for something he did that was very special.
BD, so true…..The fact is, the criticism he gets is so personal. It’s fine to critcize him for his peformance at times (though it goes overboard), but because people don’t love him as a pitcher, they assume he’s a selfish jerk who demanded a personal catcher.
Truth I’m not worried at all. Of course being up 3-2 with the Stadium hosting the rest of the world series helps!
trisha,
I think I was trying to get the point across that everyone (except a few people) agrees that AJ is what he is and whatever it is, it’s bad.
But everyone wants to keep stating the “obvious”. So if everyone agrees, then there’s no debate. So why keep going on and on about it?
But you had an ongoing debate that I didn’t want to interfere with. In my very roundabout way, I was telling you to carry on with your debate!
Boston Dave – ONE win til 27
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 pm
yes, got the call at 7:30 tonight that MLB has a couple more tickets for me. Crazy…
they need to do away with stubhub, IMO. Put most of the tickets into a fairly run lottery so fans can actually get them for face value.
I think LoHud needs to find a way to get a bunch of tickets in the future and give them out to it’s loyal readers… we are some of the most dedicated, knowledgeable Yankee fans in the world.
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BD, That’s great! Have a grea time as I said. I sometimes wonder of the 37,000+ season ticket licensees accoring to Yankees.com. Props to the true Yankee fans. Instead of allowing people to purchase tickets @ face value thru Yankee stadium, stubhub @ this very moment has a bid on obstructed view for $542.00. Who can afford that in these times?
Oh well as I have said all along regardless of where I am, I am going to cheer them on and enjoy every minute of the game!
I don’t know about anyone else but I am amped up already for tomorrow. I can’t wait!
Here’s a pic of AJ:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....netts.html
If the Yankees blow this series, AJ will feel like he blew it personally……but that won’t be the case. This team has no excuses from hereon out – if they blow it, it will be a collective effort.
G’nite Erica…Will look forward to the countdown tomorrow as well as hopefully the last GTLU of the season!
Back to the mvp awards. If they want to insist that the regular season mvp doesn’t have to come from a winning team, then I think they should do the exact opposite for the WS mvp.
As someone said previously, to the victor go the spoils! And to the loser goes heartache and despair!
Betsy,
Even if AJ came out and said he preferred Molina, I highly doubt he has ever had a bad word to say about Posada and would gladly pitch to him on any day.
That said, I’ve only ever heard AJ say he likes both catchers and never said he needed a personal catcher.
AJ seems like a great guy and a great fit on the Yanks. Though costly, last night will prove to be a learning experience, IMO.
I think part of Burnett’s problem is the overreliance on the 4 seam fastball-when he is off that pitch gets murdered when it misses location because it usually over the heart of the plate or outside where batters can extend their arms.
He’s thrown a 2 seamer at times but seems hesitant to use it. The two seamer doesn’t have that side to side motion and would be an easier pitch to locate when he’s struggling. It would be very tough to change much of his mechanics this late in his career but adding a pitch (either more use of the 2 seamer or a power change like CC’s) is something that will probably happen before the start of the 2010 season. You just can’t be a top of the rotation pitcher with 2 pitches if you don’t command both of them almost all of the time.
“Back to the mvp awards. If they want to insist that the regular season mvp doesn’t have to come from a winning team, then I think they should do the exact opposite for the WS mvp.”
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good point, but still a tough sell.
I liked the Barry Bonds 2002 example. He was superhuman and in another league but didn’t win the award.
I’d like to think that Mariano Rivera is a real candidate if he throws more 0’s on the board tomorrow night.
The difference in this series could come down to the fact that the Yanks have Mariano and the Phillies have Brad Lidge.
that’s an MVP in my book.
BD, agreed.
Well, off to bed. Hopefully tonight at this time we will be celebrating #27!
in other news:
soon to be free agent Vicente Padilla shot himself in the right leg, according to a report out of Nicaragua.
Boston Dave – ONE win til 27
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 pm
in other news:
soon to be free agent Vicente Padilla shot himself in the right leg, according to a report out of Nicaragua.
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How in the world did Plaxico Burris break out, get ahold of Padilla’s passport and travel to Nicaragua? You’d think that he’d learned his lesson about guns.
Don’t know if this was posted.According to yahoo sports,and huffingtonpost,Joba’s mother is faces 20 yrs in prison dealing meth.
GreenBeret7
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Boston Dave – ONE win til 27
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 pm
in other news:
soon to be free agent Vicente Padilla shot himself in the right leg, according to a report out of Nicaragua.
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How in the world did Plaxico Burris break out, get ahold of Padilla’s passport and travel to Nicaragua? You’d think that he’d learned his lesson about guns.
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there is an updated report about this-apparently Padilla got hammered in a bar and thought his leg was Mark Teixeira and can never miss an opportunity to hit Teix-he didn’t have a baseball with him so the gun was the only option.
“But you had an ongoing debate that I didn’t want to interfere with. In my very roundabout way, I was telling you to carry on with your debate!”
mel – ah!
Well as I said before, I decided to take in a movie tonight. I think posters here know me well enough to know that because I don’t always/often feel the need to go tit for tat with the king of pot stirring hardly means that I have conceded anything except perhaps a nod to extreme boredom with his pot stirring. My opinions about AJ, last night’s game, etc. have not changed, and there are many articulate and knoweldgeable posters here who have made those same observations and thus in turn continue to speak for me.
I like it that way!
And so I will continue to let all pot-stirring challenges continue to sit out in the ether, where they are best left. They can all stand in a circle and hold hands and die a natural death.
Boston Dave, I asked earlier if you knew where your seats are.
Pedro said that people don’t usually get props until they die, so if they’re going to give them, do it when he’s alive?
That’s pretty funny.
hey trisha,
I believe they will be main dugout between home plate and 3rd base but I won’t know for sure until tomorrow.
last night we were in a similar area at citizens bank park.
they are more than good enough for me
Trisha, you crack me up like no one else on this board. I picture someone behind enemy lines in Redsocks Nation just bursting with candescent Yankeeness and it makes me smile.
I am glad you think I’m the king of something. You reminded me of the Elvis Costello song “I’ll Wear It Proudly”:
“Well I finally found someone to turn me upside down
and nail my feet up where my head should be
if they had a king of thorns then I could wear that crown
and you can all die laughing because I’ll wear it proudly”
It’s actually a love song, it its way.
Radiohead cover can be heard here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT0jm_thIxM
As for the discussion about AJ Burnett, ’tis a trifling matter on the eve of what we both agree will be a Championship night. But I wish you had given me fair props for my heartfelt defense of him against his many detractors here.
I do tip my cap — sincerely — for your chutzpah. I don’t think anyone else on here could argue something so energetically and flamboyantly and then poof!!! Gone like it never happened.
Shine on, you crazy diamond. Tomorrow night we celebrate — together!
syd barrett 1946 – 2006
shine on, indeed
g’night
What am I? Chopped liver?
No. 27 will make living in Las Vegas more tolerable for the next 6 months.
Go Yanks!
The Yankees are goin to come out slugging tomorrow. The full offense hasn’t been out there since game 1. Posada and Matsui have been 2 of the Yankees’ most productive hitters and having them both in the lineup tomorrow is going to be huge.
Pettitte doesn’t need to be great, he just needs to go 5+ innings and then Girardi can turn to the bullpen that looked pretty damn good in game 6 with the exception of Coke. Also, Pettitte got 2 strikeouts and a ground out to 1st against Utley in game 3.
Whitey Ford says 3 days rest isn’t a big deal and Andy will be fine. If not, he’ll be at Yankee Stadium to throw out the first pitch for game 7 but he’d rather not have to make that trip.
http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....ame_6.html
first two innings will be the key for Andy
I forgot about the rain delay possibly giving Andy some trouble once the game actually started.
That might help explain some of the reason for him feeling “gassed”. Keeping warmed up to go for that extra amount of time would be like adding time on to the game.
Utley had better not have one single pitch to hit tonight. I doubt that Andy will hit him with a pitch though. The only starter I could see purposely looking to hit a batter would be AJ. Too bad he didn’t go after Utley. CC wasn’t trying to hit Victorino. Victorino was bunting, leaning over the plate and that ball that hit him was either a strike or just a little inside.
Maybe if later in the game and Pettitte is out, Bruney can come in to face Utley and drill him. He could have some use after all.
I had that same thought about Bruney
Andy did say the rain delay affected him, he was all warmed up and ready to go, then had to wait for so long.
I just realized that after tonight. there will be nothing to watch besides college football.
6-2. Cano wakes up big time!
GO YANKEES!
I’m already nervous (anxious, excited ? ) about tonight. I’m going to have to find something to do to keep busy besides checking in here all day or I will go insane!!
“This is the moment
This is the time
When the momentum and
the Moment are in rhyme
This is the day
See it sparkle and shine
When all I’ve lived for
becomes mine.”
- Jekyll and Hyde, the Musical
Me too Doreen. I am thinking that tomorrow I will be waking up tired but happy.
Checking in here the past few afternoons has made me more anxious and nervous. I really don’t like all the player bashing.
upstate kate -
I don’t like it either. It’s very childish.
Plus, it seems ungrateful in some way. This team has been so much fun to watch all season. They’ve accomplished some amazing things. They’ve won the most games in all baseball this season, and yet they’re the underdogs. It boggles the mind. Any other team having this kind of a season would be allowed to enjoy that, would be being showered with all kinds of accolades. Instead, you have almost the opposite in the media – as if this is all a dream, or worse, a scam. And you have some fans that can’t just appreciate the journey they’ve been on, and others who really do believe that if they don’t win the WS, the whole season was a waste.
I know with the media, they all hedge their bets. They all need to be “right,” so they’ll pick the Yankees, because of their record I guess, but not-so-subtly make it clear that they “really” think the Phillies will take it all. Makes no sense to me.
I want the Yankees to win. I think they’ll stand tough – they have all season. Joe Girardi will not let this game get out of hand if Andy doesn’t have it (though I expect he’ll be good for 5 innings). I want to enjoy this, but another part of me can’t stand the anxiety and wants it to be over. I usually get this feeling during a tough inning in a game, but the entire playoffs, I’ve been waking up with it.
The thing is, everyone has contributed to the success. I heard Posada mention Kevin Cash stepping up when he was injured, and Cody Ransom helped out too when Alex was gone. They all can’t be all stars, but if they give their best, how can we complain. I guess it is the mom side of me.
Here is a link to the back page of the NY post… Will it set the tone for today?
http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypos.....110409.jpg
upstate kate -
I definitely think it is the mom in you (and me, too!).
Doreen,
Your posts are enjoyable to read, especially in the am, sometimes they restate the obvious and/or sum up the feelings of most here on this blog. It sets a the tone to start a good day
Still on the AJ song. We are far past that sorry episode now. AJ is a grat guy, who just does not have the mental toughness to pitch a big game.
Petitte does have that toughness, so on we go.
Doreen, I just want this over with…..I’m so nervous and I’m not sure how I’m going to get through the work day. I believe Pedro will pitch well and I don’t know how Andy will fare on short rest – I’m thinking the worst right now and I hate it. I don’t want this going to a game 7 ……
KF -
Thanks. I guess I must be thinking about this stuff in my sleep! Not really a good thing.
Betsy -
At least you have work. I have to make work up as I go along day to day!
I think today, my “work” will be to go shopping for some curtains for my bedroom. (That’s the only thing that will get me away from the computer – although, I know I’ll only come home and catch up on everything I’ve missed!)
Betsy
you have been so upbeat the last few days, don’t think the worst. Andy doesn’t have to be perfect, he has a rested bullpen behind him, including secret weapon Gaudin.
This BS about Burnett not having “the mental toughness to pitch a big game” is a load of BS. He had a bad game.
He allowed 1 run in his start against the Twins, but, no win because the offense didn’t kick in until late.
He allowed 2 runs in his first start against the Angels, but, no win, no offense. He had a bad game in his 2nd start.
He allowed one run and finally got a win after allowing 1 run. Monday night he pitch poorly. At worst, he should be 3-2 in the post season. He could just as easily be 3-1.
So much for not having mental toughness in big games. That’s the same crap as people spout about any player that isn’t playing up to fan expectations and demands.
please God… deliver the Yanks a World Series Title.
the break yesterday was great now we gotta go out & win!!
Betsy –
upstate kate is right; Andy doesn’t have to be perfect, and Pedro won’t be. It might be a tight game, but the odds are in the Yankees favor. The better bullpen, they are at home, they have their full, best lineup (except for Melky
) going. Anything can happen, of course, but there’s more positive here than negative. Don’t let the “predictions” get to you (they change from pitch to pitch, seemingly, anyway!)
I don’t think Burnett suffers from lack of mental toughness, I think he just suffers from crapititis syndrome where on occassion, his stuff is just crap. e has so much movement on his ball that unless he can control it, it just goes everywhere.
Doreen and Kate, you’re right – I shall think positive as this team has earned my confidence.
KF- look at the center fold. LOL I have it hanging in my office. Pedro standing with a Phillies hat on with the words who’s your daddy below. Classic!
Gardner needs to bunt for hits every time up, or, until Philadelphia pulls the infield in as far as the pitcher’s mound. Either that or Gardner will be 0-4.
Jennifer,
I saw the Post online so I can’t just turn to the centerfold. It sounds like a classic picture especially after hearing some of his recent interviews.
kf- I should add his head was superimposed on a babies body.
Jennifer,
In an interview yesterday when a reporter asked him about the now famous whose your daddy quote he seemed uncomfortable and didn’t want to talk about it. He may be crazy like a fox but it probably does get to him
new thread
Off topic, the dismantling of the Rays continues……. Akinori Iwamura has been traded to the Pirates.
Earlier in the series he claimed it made him think of his father and smiled or some garbage like that. Makes me happy to know that it probably bothers him.