The workout story: Yanks confident behind Pettitte in Game 6
Posted by: Josh Thomson - Posted in Misc on Nov 03, 2009 
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The Yankees are on the field, loosening for one or two more games at Yankee Stadium. They’re all here, and all say they are emboldened by taking the field tomorrow night behind Andy Pettitte — even on short rest.
A great deal of Joe Girardi’s press conference today dealt with Pettitte. The 37-year-old last started on short rest in 2006, when he made three starts on three days of rest. Before that? 2001, or when he was in his 20s.
In fact, Pettitte last started on normal rest on Sept. 5. He has made every start the last two months on five days rest or more. Still, Girardi has faith in baseball’s winningest postseason pitcher. He tried to identify why Pettitte can pitch well on three days rest, and you can hear his explanation in the audio file:
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Here are a few other notes:
• Girardi expressed a willingness to pitch Mariano Rivera multiple innings in Game 6. “Hopefully we don’t need it, but whatever I have to do, whatever it takes to win the game,” Rivera said. “It’s a big game for us tomorrow and I have to be ready for it.” Rivera also said he thought he was capable of pitching multiple innings in both Game 6 and 7 if need be.
• Girardi also added no insight into who will play right field tomorrow. He said the coaches hadn’t looked at tomorrow’s lineup yet. Of course, Jerry Hairston Jr. started there last time the club faced Pedro Martinez, Game 2, but Hairston (10 for 27 lifetime vs. Pedro) told me he has received no indication either way. Nick Swisher (0 for 2) and Eric Hinske (8 for 30, HR, 7 RBI) are the other options. “I’m always prepared to play,” Hairston said.
• Brett Gardner said he jarred his lower back when he slammed into the wall during Game 5. He momentarily lost his breath but said he feels perfectly fine now. When Swisher met him in center after the fall last night, he changed the mood. “I thought I was going to die for about three or four seconds,” Gardner said. “Then I felt like I was fine. By the time Swisher got over there he was joking with me, saying I just wanted to get on TV. That lifted my spirits a little bit.”
• CC Sabathia said he felt strong already and would be ready for a Game 7. He again repeated that extra rest down the stretch has left him in solid position to pitch every fourth day. “I’ll be ready,” he said.
• Pettitte will talk in about 15 minutes (the schedule changed). I’ll have audio from him in a bit.
UPDATE, 5:10 p.m.: Pettitte talked for about 10 minutes. He obviously focused on pitching on short rest and trying to close out another series. “Man, I don’t remember the last time I pitched on short rest,” Pettitte said.
Here’s the full audio:
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Also, I made a mistake earlier. Before ’06, Pettitte last pitched on short rest in Game 2 of the 2003 World Series. He was terrific, pitching 8 2/3 innings of one-run ball to beat the Marlins 6-1. Pettitte didn’t allow an earned run and surrendered just six hits. Here’s the game.
Whoops!
Andy + Mo + a fair CCT Joe West = 27
Ninja…Not sure what happened. As you can imagine, I didn’t take the picture sideways.
In any event, it’s gone.
Lol, sorry i jumped on you.
You’re doing a great job!
Josh,
You have remained 26 years old for quite some time. What is your secret?
“I thought I was going to die for about three or four seconds,” Gardner said. “Then I felt like I was fine. By the time Swisher got over there he was joking with me, saying I just wanted to get on TV. That lifted my spirits a little bit.”
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LOL. Leave it to Swish.
27 hours and 18 minutes until Game 6!!!!!!!
Erica – always OPPC November 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
The secret is out….
I am throwing the first pitch tomorrow night
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That’s ominous
(Repost)
How come when the Red Sox sign a formerly great pitcher coming off an injury ridden and statistically bad year(s), they are praised as risk takers who know how to spot bargain contracts???
Yet anyone who thinks the Yanks should consider signing CMW is an idiot?
Stultus Magnus
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Erica – always OPPC November 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
The secret is out….
I am throwing the first pitch tomorrow night
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That’s ominous
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Stop being jealous they didn’t ask you
Girardi should rest Damon tomorrow.
#9 November 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Girardi should rest Damon tomorrow.
Alex also
#9
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Girardi should rest Damon tomorrow.
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Two thoughts-
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#9
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Girardi should rest Damon tomorrow.
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Why, exactly?
they have no choice but Gardner is a AAA player at best, with all his speed why not bunt every time up at least he has a shot of beating it out,also he never walks
You can study Pettitte’s situational stats this year and back to 2004. I’ll be happy if Andy gets thru his two toughest innings-first and fifth and gives us five solid innings with a commanding lead!
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p…../2009/7976
I still can’t believe that Joe West will be behind homeplate in Game 6. After all the bad umps this season and postseason they allow Joe West to be a part of the crew.
How about resting Mo, too? Let’s let Bruney close.
Erin – the ‘rest Damon’ is a joke – refering to a decision Girardi made earlier in season.
“How come when the Red Sox sign a formerly great pitcher coming off an injury ridden and statistically bad year(s), they are praised as risk takers who know how to spot bargain contracts???”
I assume you’re talking about Smoltz. That’s basically because Smoltz is a big Hall of Fame name and because Peter Gammons said it 100,000 times and he’s the most respected reporter in baseball.
Stultus Magnus
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Erica – always OPPC November 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
The secret is out….
I am throwing the first pitch tomorrow night
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I think he meant to say ” I am throwing up, if the first pitch is hit out for a homer!”
Another example of why Swish is good for this team. Last year’s team was dour, this year’s team has a much better mood, and he is a big part of that.
#9
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Erin – the ‘rest Damon’ is a joke – refering to a decision Girardi made earlier in season.
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That’s good. I was hoping you weren’t serious!
I have a great idea. Lets use this line up:
Garnder CF
Pena SS
Tex 1B
Damon DH (I have to put MPB in the line up)
Hinske LF
Molina C
Cano 2B (he needs the batting practice)
Swisher RF
Hairston 3B
if Pedro in fact pitches, I say he’s lucky to see the 4th inning
Someone fill me in [refresh my memory] why Joe West behind home plate is a bad idea!
When Andy came back to NY in 2007, this is the game we were all hoping he’d get a chance to pitch. He’ll get the job done.
Erica – always OPPC November 3rd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
I have a great idea. Lets use this line up:
Garnder CF
Pena SS
Tex 1B
Damon DH (I have to put MPB in the line up)
Hinske LF
Molina C
Cano 2B (he needs the batting practice)
Swisher RF
Hairston 3B
not a chance how does Gardner ever get on base
Erica – always OPPC November 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Stultus Magnus
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Erica – always OPPC November 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
The secret is out….
I am throwing the first pitch tomorrow night
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That’s ominous
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Stop being jealous they didn’t ask you
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Just try to throw it more than 10 feet.
Don’t bounce it 20 times.
Yankee Trader
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Stultus Magnus
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Erica – always OPPC November 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
The secret is out….
I am throwing the first pitch tomorrow night
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I think he meant to say ” I am throwing up, if the first pitch is hit out for a homer!”
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Relax, the first pitch is ceremonial. There’s no batter. Besides, I am 100% certain that if I pitched from the mound the ball would never reach the plate. Maybe halfway if I try very hard.
I sort of throw like a girl
Rest his hottest hitter beside Arod? LOL, that’s pretty funny.
Like I said…
What the heck’s going on with Ninja, Josh, and pictures?
Inquiring minds!
lol@Swisher. Only he would say such a thing. Well, maybe Damon or Jeter.
Andy-Pedro, what drama. Like an old movie.
I’ve watch a lot of games this year with Joe West behind the plate.
Something to look for — he seems to be very generous with the called strike on the outside corner to lefties, but NOT on the outside corner to righties. Hopefully, he has corrected this flaw, but we’ll see.
“Someone fill me in [refresh my memory] why Joe West behind home plate is a bad idea!”
He calls a wide strike zone which helps Pedro.
A Rod is working too hard, he needs Wed off to get ready for game 7!! We should concede game 6 and worry about being in the best position for game 7!!
I would have Swisher in right tommorow this is game 6 just go with a normal lineup. They already had a weird lineup in game 5.
Jeter
Damon
Teixeira
A-Rod
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Gardner
No way Pedro will survive past 4-5 innings.
if West was behind the plate for a CC – Lee game it would be over in less than 2hrs
Erica – always OPPC
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
I have a great idea. Lets use this line up:
Garnder CF
Pena SS
Tex 1B
Damon DH (I have to put MPB in the line up)
Hinske LF
Molina C
Cano 2B (he needs the batting practice)
Swisher RF
Hairston 3B
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I like this lineup! Eventhough Jeter has the highest batting average in the playoffs, all he does is hit into DP’s! He’s gotta be benched tomorrow so he think about how he failed. We all know Posada is just flat out terrible. Him and Jete can chit chat on the bench cause they’re pretty much useless on the field. And Arod will more than likely fail miserably in the biggest spot of his life.
andy is so relaxed in his presser.
not like AJ “I want the ball again” Burnett.
Andy: “I know I felt terrible the other night and I was on 6 days rest” …Ouch
These reporters are so silly: “David Cone used to say when he was facing Pedro it was always on his mind that someone that good was pitching on the other side. Is Pedro on your mind?”
Pedro Martinez was in his prime when Cone was pitching against him. He was absolutely dominant and was probably the best pitcher in baseball. Pedro is a shell of his former shelf, and while still a decent pitcher, he’s not nearly as intimidating as he was 10 years ago.
I am leaving work now.
Don’t forget to go vote!!!!
Well, my girlfriend has the swine flu (stupid germ infested 1st graders).
Guess I’ll be getting soon.
Sounds like our boys are in the right frame of mind. I just hate that an apparently awful ump is behind the plate and could easily determine the outcome of the game. The Yankees always seem to get the short end of the stick…
Does anyone have the answer to why there was not a pinch runner for matsui in the 9??? Could have hit and run and kept out of double play with jeter.
16 postseason wins vs. 1 is an imperfect but valid comparison.
The pitcher with the single win hasn’t had as many opportunies but he also doesn’t have nearly the wealth of experience as the pitcher with the 16 wins.
Now it may very well be that 10 years from now Andy will be long retired with 16+ wins and then it would be silly to compare starting him vs some young fireballer.
But since the comparison was between Andy today and AJ today, the point is well made.
mick, in all fairness, Andy has been there done that, many many times. This is AJ’s first postseason. Smart money isn’t criticizing him too harshly or decided that he’s worthless because he was less than perfect. (not saying you did that. But some are.)
“It’s the manager’s job to put players in a position to succeed and avoid purposely putting them in position where they are likely to fail. AJ was far more effective any way you want to cut it at Yankee Stadium this year than he was on the road. When you add in pitching Burnett on 3 days rest for the first time all year, it was less than surprising that he failed.”
Drive 4-5 – I wasn’t around when you posted this but I hope you’re around now because this is the kind of lucid argument that is so often missing here. This is totally on point.
“AJ was far more effective any way you want to cut it at Yankee Stadium this year than he was on the road.”
Just wanted to post that again for anyone who needed to read it yet a fourth time to get it.
Funny that it usually isn’t rocket science to talk about pitchers who pitch better at home as opposed to on the road, and vice versa.
Tom: ouch, I hpe she gets well and you stay well.
Tom in N.J.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Well, my girlfriend has the swine flu (stupid germ infested 1st graders).
Guess I’ll be getting soon.
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So when she called you a pig for breaking wind and belching at the dinner table, she was right, huh? she got it from you.
Sorry to hear about her catching such a nasty desease, Tom. Hope she recovers well and fast. Best wishes to her and you.
Homas: You really want to hit & run with jeter up???
if the runner gets thrown out what good is that?
Jeter hits one… & then ur down 1 run.. no sense in doing that
If anyone has proof that AJ couldn’t get out of the 3rd inning last night because he pitched on the road, this would be a great time to post it.
Mariano should start tomorrows game – then we’ll all feel more confident.
you really want matsui runnning around the bases as the tying run??? First and third no outs, why not use Pena there?
homas
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
you really want matsui runnning around the bases as the tying run??? First and third no outs, why not use Pena there?
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Matsui wasn’t the tying run. Jeter was.
If Matsui were the tying run, you pinch run pena so he can hopefully score on a ball in the gap.
Pena wasn’t going to be fast enough to break up that double play.
Thanks Nick and GB.
I’m off to buy a humidifier and then take a bath in purell.
Tom in NJ -
Hope you girlfriend has a speedy recovery and that you stay uninfected.
homas November 3rd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
you really want matsui runnning around the bases as the tying run??? First and third no outs, why not use Pena there?
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Pena was our last guy off the bench.
If the game went into extras, the pitcher would have to bat. Having zero bench players in extra innings at an NL park is a disaster waiting to happen.
hey where is that pat m guy. he saod last week that there was no way the yankees would go with burnett and pettite on 3 days rest. never shows up when he is wrong. just like all the other know it alls.
Mariano should start tomorrows game – then we’ll all feel more confident.
Has Mo been cloned yet? We really should be ready for 2012.
Francesa is screaming at Sweeny…. Sweeny should hang up.
Just for the record:
All American League pitchers, 2009:
Home ERA: 4.20
Road ERA: 4.74
AJ, Career:
Home ERA: 3.45
Road ERA: 4.22
AJ, 2009:
Home ERA: 3.51
Road ERA: 4.59
So, basically, the average American league pitcher is half a run better at home. On a career basis, AJ has been about three-quarters of a run better at home. This year he’s been a run better at home.
I don’t think you can conclude anything from these numbers other than AJ is better than the average AL pitcher. His home-road splits are a little more extreme than the average AL pitcher, but not dramatically more so.
How many outs can mo really be expected to get?
I would love to see Sweeny Murti’s face right now
Hearing Francesca & Sweeny argue reminds me of a scene of ‘One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest’…
What a way to end an awful postseason for the umps–Country Joe West.
Just perfect.
This is some great entertainment right now… Sweeny is calling Francesa out “you’ve wanted Joba to be in this spot all year long and now you don’t want him there” “how do you know your right while my opinion is wrong”
betsy
The Yankees always seem to get the short end of the stick…
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It’s true. Persecuted and oppressed.
What is the argument at hand with Sweeny and Francesca?
So AJ Burnett is better than the average American League road pitcher.
Interesting fact.
CCT Joe West is your typical dirtbag umpire. He thinks that umpires are a part of baseball, a part worth recognizing. He feels that umpires should be noticed. He gives 29 teams’ pitchers outside pitches for called strikes. He does not give the Yankees that same pitch.
I will gladly be wrong, I truly hope I am wrong, but if this sad excuse for a human being takes over a World Series Game 6 (with bad calls of any kind or against one or both teams), then there is something truly wrong with him.
Mo can pitch 2 innings but 3 innings is crazy.
“What is the argument at hand with Sweeny and Francesca?”
Basically Francesca insisting he’s right & Sweeny using logic against his arguments.
Girardi’s a total tool for pitching AJ yesterday.
I mean first off Mars is currently in the house of Leo which is bad enough but combined with the fact that yesterday was the 10th day of Scorpious.
And AJ’s a freakin Capricorn! Of course he was going to bomb!
I mean hello!!!! Earth to Girardi? Anybody home?
I looked up Joe West on Wikipedia, and it says he is a singer? Like seriously? He also invented the chest protector? He also acted in a movie? Is this all for real?
Don’t start whining about umps.
West is an awful umpire, but it has nothing to do with anti Yankee bias.
You people sound like such idiots when you whine about that kind of garbage.
#9,
I stopped watching Mike a year ago because all he did was yell at people on the phone, even if they had good arguments. When I first got into baseball and listened to Mike and Chris, and all they did was turn down any ideas, never saying it was a good idea. Always saying it was “stupid!”. What a joke.
“I looked up Joe West on Wikipedia, and it says he is a singer? Like seriously? He also invented the chest protector? He also acted in a movie? Is this all for real?”
The sun also sets in him.
Francesa is insisting that Mariano MUST pitch 3 innings or Girardi will get fired.
Sweeny is saying you have to have more confidence in your bullpen than that, and that for Mo to pitch 3 innings is a daunting task.
Francesa is being his usual bullheaded self, refusing to entertain the fact that Sweeny has a different opinion than him. He is being really disrespectful to Sweeny, like he is with most of his caller: cutting him off, yelling, interrupting him.
did anybody notice the muse song “Uprising” playing in the background of Andy’s audio?
…strange…
I’m shocked it’s not a caller calling up and suggesting Mo go 3, and having Mike yell at them. Surprisingly enough, it’s Mike making the ludicrous suggestion.
Erica,
I just saw this and thought you might be interested
Heyman: Yanks may be willing to offer Damon two years
By Mike Axisa of RAB
Via MLBTR, Jon Heyman mentions that the Yankees “were believed willing to go for two years and $16 million” for Johnny Damon, but that was before the postseason. Damon’s recent heroics surely have bumped up his price just a bit. Regardless, two guaranteed years for Damon is nuts because just a week or so ago he looked fried amidst a two-month long slump. The Yanks would be wise to limit their offer to one guaranteed year, with an option, to not only reduce risk but to maintain roster flexibility beyond 2010.
M,
The picture originally at the top of the post was sideways.
It was a far-away shot of the team taking the field for practice earlier today.
Why is it ludicrous for Mo to come into the game in the 7th inning?
Say the Yanks lead 5-2 after 6? Mo comes in for the 7th – ballgame over, World Series over.
These reporters continue to feed Pedro’s ego by asking ridiculous questions… comparing him to Babe Ruth? Come on..
pedro on mlbn
what a piece of work.
the yankees got to lee the second time around.
hopefully they get to pedro the same way they did with lee.
yankees can beat him.
I dont think pitching AJ on short rest was a problem.
The problem was leaving him in once it was obvious he didn’t have it tonight.
He barely threw the curveball and I can’t remember him landing any in the strikezone.
When Coke came in, I told everyone in my section that it was an absolutely horrible move by Girardi.
Coke is a flyball pitcher and Utley and Ibanez are solid hitters against lefties. Only Howard struggles against lefties.
Needless to say, I looked like a genius.
a sad genius
Mick, I know AJ pitched terribly, but the guy did want the ball. Why pick on his press conference? What did you want him to say?
Mo going 2 innings is a stretch in my eyes, and that makes me nervous enough, I can’t imagine him going 3 innings.
Just because Mo is dominant for 1 inning, or even 2 for that matter, doesn’t mean he is going to be just as dominant for 3 innings. If he can be just as good for 3, than why not pitch him 4 innings? Shorten the game up even more. If he was to go that long, he might as well just start, and we all know how that went in the beginning of his career. There’s a reason he isn’t starting.
Mo is untested going 3 innings, and a potential World Series game, I don’t feel like is a good way to test it. I say go for matchups in the 7th, and have Mo in for the 8th/9th.
If the Yankees were to lead 5-2 in the 7th, if I were to be manager, Mo definitely WON’T be the one coming in.
“the yankees got to lee the second time around.
hopefully they get to pedro the same way they did with lee.
yankees can beat him.”
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I think seeing Pedro for the 2nd time in 5 days will be a huge advantage for NY.
Andy will be at a small disadvantage as well but I think Andy is on his game right now and can go 6IP/3R.
Absolutely you let Mo go maybe not three, but for 8 outs, definitely. We win, remember, it’s over, and even in the worst case scenario and Mo blows it, Philly’s pen is awful.
We will win because we have more reliable pitchers than Philly; for those keeping score that’s one (Mariano) to none.
Mo is the lone constant in a sea of variables.
“These reporters continue to feed Pedro’s ego by asking ridiculous questions… comparing him to Babe Ruth? Come on..”
I mean he is one of the best pitchers of all-time. Dude deserves to have an ego.
Mike is a putz, he really is. I don’t care much for Sweeney, but he always stands his ground with Mike and I do love that. What is Mike saying, that he wishes Joba were a starter now? I’ve no idea as I refused to listen to him all day. The man is insane, INSANE, if he thinks Joe is (or should) push a near 40 year old 3 innings. That might be the stupidest thing he’s ever said and he’s said quite a few stupid things. The only one Francesca is more disrespectful to than Sweeney is Cash…..or, maybe, his callers.
i really hope the Yanks come to their senses and let Damon go….
Mo has pitched three innings before. He’s done it a fair amount in extra inning games.
You ride him until it gets to the point of rificulousness; three innings is not that point.
I’m shocked at what you’re all saying…you absolutely push him three innings.
“I think seeing Pedro for the 2nd time in 5 days will be a huge advantage for NY.”
i’m think this too because they haven’t seen him in a while and now they know what he has at this point in his career.
i’m not looking for a low scoring game. andy was all over the place last game but he somehow hung in there.
chances are he’s better than last time, but all he has to do is pitch better than pedro.
i think he can do it.
I’d like the Yanks to be in a position to go after Carl Crawford at the end of next year. If they can give Damon a two year deal and still do that I wouldn’t be opposed to the Yanks signing Damon for 2 years.
My guess in a 1 run game and the bullpen is struggling, we will see Rivera in the 7th inning.
Mo is untested going 3 innings, and a potential World Series game, I don’t feel like is a good way to test it.
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2003 ALCS, Game 7
I think the Rays are going to shell out the cash to get Crawford; I thik that’s why they shipped out Kazmir.
A.J. pitched poorly because he has been an inconsistent starter his entire career.
A good start, followed by a bad one was predictable – given the pitcher. He’s 32 years old and has been befuddling people his entire career – long before Jorge Posada told him to throw all those bad pitches:)
If he has an inability to throw well on the road, then he is a tremendously flawed pitcher. Pure and simple. There is no excuse for that.
He’s pitched really well in one of his postseason starts terrible in two and OK in the other two. He is what he is and the catcher makes no difference in that. He’s been the same his entire career in Florida and Toronto.
That being said, it’s not fair to compare Burnett and Pettitte’s postseason stats when Pettitte has played for better teams and had many more opportunities to play in the postseason.
Pettitte is a very good pitcher. Very good.
However, this perception of him being a guy who really takes it to another level in the postseason is not true. The numbers say he’s been virtually the same guy he’s been during the regular season – very good and very consistent.
When the sample size becomes larger players are what the back of their baseball card says they are.
Jeter is thought of as a postseason monster. But he’s virtually the same player that’s he’s been in the regular season – which is of course terrific.
If Andy pitches like the back of his baseball card, the Yankees should be sitting pretty tomorrow night.
is chad gaudin going to pitch ever ?
kind of a waste of a roster spot.
A 1-run game at home, we will not see Rivera in the 7th.
Boston Dave–
I told you to try for game 6 or 7.
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2003 ALCS, Game 7″
Mo’s single best performance ever. Plus that was against a Boston team that had seen lot of him.
There’s absolutely nothing to worry about with Cowboy Joe West.
Andy’s a Texan! They’re probably cousins or something.
Do you have his stats on 3 inning games? I don’t believe I’ve ever seen him pitch 3 innings in a game before. I haven’t ever seen Mo tire out in a game, and I really don’t want a World Series game to be the first. 9 outs is a huge task to ask Mo to do.
I’m not saying he can’t pitch 3 perfect innings, we all know he has the ability, but it’s a risk nonetheless. A risk I don’t take because I rather patch up the 7th.
I just feel, if there’s a lefty in the inning, than Marte can definitely get them out, and I have plenty of faith in Robertson getting at least one out without giving up a hit. That’s 2 outs right there. THAN I feel comfortable getting Mo in.
Heyya. please fact check before Making statements. Mo is untested going three innings? Forget game 7 in 2003 alcs that quickly? think those were pretty hard innings he for through.
“Mo is untested going 3 innings, and a potential World Series game, I don’t feel like is a good way to test it.”
Game 7 vin 2003 versus the Red Sox. He pitched three scoreless and was brilliant against one the of the best lineups of the decade.
If the 7th inning proves to be the highest leverage situation in Game 6 (like it was in Game 5 of the ALCS) then I have no problem with Joe bringing in Mariano in and riding him for as long as he appear effective.
Guys – WAY off topic, but I got this catalog in the mail today, and I’m thinking of getting this for my husband for Christmas:
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“Mo has pitched three innings before. He’s done it a fair amount in extra inning games.”
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I’m not so sure of a “fair amount,” but the last time he did it was in the 2006 season. The last time in the postseason was the infamous Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS.
Maybe if it’s a 1-run game he pitches 3 innings. It really depends on the circumstance.
I don’t mind bringing in Mo in the 8th, than let’s say he looks good despite giving up the tying run, than leaving him in the for 10th. But to EXPECT him to go 3 innings, from the beginning, it’s a tough decision to make, in my opinion.
Mick, I know AJ pitched terribly, but the guy did want the ball. Why pick on his press conference? What did you want him to say?
Betsy
I just think he is a blowhard. He likes to portray great confidence, which I think he lacks.
“is chad gaudin going to pitch ever ?
kind of a waste of a roster spot.”
He’s on the roster in case one of the 3 starter can’t pitch and for no other reason. It makes sense for security.
You know I am not sure if aj should have pitched on three days rest..but let’s look at the postives:
You got game 6 and 7 with andy and cc..yes they are short rest but I find them more andy more reliable than AJ..plus with no more aj NO MORE MOLINA…it will be the yankee line-up that we know and love..I like Andy battles and gets through 6 innings about 4 runs…yanks score about 6-8 off pedro..yanks win going away….the big difference between andy and AJ..andy can get by when his stuff is “subpar” he can figure out a way..When AJ does not have his stuff..he gets killed..He just is not a “bulldog” type pitcher..He needs everything perfect to pitch well: his own catcher, his best stuff..etc.
Adam,
My problem with that, is what if he looks ineffective in the beginning of the 9th? No way would Joe take him out for anyone else, and rightfully so. That’s the risk we are taking.
“Swisher and Cano taking extra BP right now. Kevin Long is flipping balls to them from behind a screen. He’s about 35 ft away. — JT”
See, he’s not lazy and he does care.
Rivera has pitched three innings or more twice in his postseason career: The aforementioned 2003 ALCS, Game 7, and in his first-ever outing, Game 2 of the 1995 ALDS.
It absolutely depends on the circumstance. No “one size fits all” answer.
I mean, if he looks ineffective, take him. You’re getting him, in the end, for the same number of high leverage innings, just at different points in the game. Then if he DOES look effective, you’ve just taken out the variables and that crumbling “bridge”. I’d do it if the situation called for it.
Didn’t Mo get 8 outs for us in a game like 2 weeks ago??
Mike Francesa vs. Sweeny Murti on Mo pitching in the 7th was great
“I told you to try for game 6 or 7.”
Me too, BD! Did you do a write up yet on your experience or is this your first post since you’ve returned. (I guess I could rove the state of RI, checking in every opportunity from different venues so that I could be sure to see all the posts but that would take me all of 50 minutes!) So if you wrote earlier I didn’t see it.
Geeze BD, you came close to seeing something pretty amazing. How were your seats? And how were the Philly fans toward you? Are you happy you went?
Charlie Manuel might be the nicest manager in the Majors, but jesus, he sounds like he has an IQ of 4.
rconn23-
The problem with the whole line of argument is that AJ does not have “an inability to pitch on the road”.
In fact, he’s a good road pitcher – significantly better than the average AL pitcher on the road over his career, and slightly better than the average AL pitcher on the road this year.
AJ is a very good pitcher at home – significantly better than the average AL pitcher at home over his career, and significantly better than the average AL pitcher at home this year.
Don’t fall into the logical fallacy. The fact that AJ is an extremely good pitcher at home does not make him a bad pitcher on the road.
Bottom line, AJ is better than the average pitcher on the road.
Oh and one other thing – a ‘partially’ effective Mo is still the best we got.
“My problem with that, is what if he looks ineffective in the beginning of the 9th? No way would Joe take him out for anyone else, and rightfully so. That’s the risk we are taking.”
The 9th inning isn’t some mythical thing. If we need two or three outs and have a 3 run lead then I’m pretty sure any of our pitchers can do it. I wouldn’t start Mo in the 7th, but if a situation emerges like Game 5 of the ALCS where 2 guys were on and we needed 1 out then you absolutely bring in your best reliever.
A.J. said exactly what I wanted to hear at his press conference. I was unhappy with his pitching, but not his attitude.
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Rivera is not going to pitch three innings in a Game 6. Game 7 would be a different story if the scenario presented itself.
Torre threw Rivera out there for 3 in Game 7 in 2003 for three innings in a tie game at home. Rivera mowed through a tremendous lineup and was economical in doing so.
That situation presents itself to Girardi in a potential Game 7, he would be foolish not to consider plugging Mo in for 3.
As for tomorrow if the Yankees have a one or two run lead after 7 you will see Mo for two innings.
You go all in with the greatest of all time – the safest possible gamble you can take.
There is no chance Mo is coming into the 7th inning. That is way too much to ask of him. 8th inning definitely. You are setting him up to fail any earlier then that, the guy isn’t machine.
mick, in all fairness, Andy has been there done that, many many times. This is AJ’s first postseason.
Trisha
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That’s why his false bravado sounds shallow to me.
randy – I’m just a layperson here, but I had the exact same thought. It’s good to know that someone else, and with more knowledge, has the same thought.
Andy just has to do better than Pedro. And if he can go long enough to get to Mo with a lead, so much the better.
Doreen – sweet gift! I actually liked the ChiSox one the best, design wise. Wait. Ozzie is rooting for the Phillies. Never mind.
Mo has pitched more than two innings in the post-season exactly three times.
The most recent was in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS – he went three innings.
The other two were way back at the start of his career, 2.2 IP in game 2 of the 1996 ALDS, and 3.1 IP in game 2 of the 1995 ALDS.
You can’t pitch Mo more than two innings unless it is game 7.
The 9th inning isn’t some mythical thing. If we need two or three outs and have a 3 run lead then I’m pretty sure any of our pitchers can do it. I wouldn’t start Mo in the 7th, but if a situation emerges like Game 5 of the ALCS where 2 guys were on and we needed 1 out then you absolutely bring in your best reliever.
to clinch a world series with the guys in our bullpen not named Mariano..it will be much harder then you might think..
“You can’t pitch Mo more than two innings unless it is game 7.”
agree…
False bravado at least shows a willingness to want to help the team. That’s all I care about?
Even if we lose, if Manuel pitches Hamels game 7 that may be the worst managerial move EVER. Swallow your pride and go to Lee on 3 days rest, Charlie…on the second thought, don’t.
Get Yer Damn hands Off Of her! November 3rd, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Charlie Manuel might be the nicest manager in the Majors, but jesus, he sounds like he has an IQ of 4.
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I lived in the South for a few years, but I have never heard a slow Southern drawl such as Charlie Manuel’s. He definitely must be from backwoods Appalachia.
You can’t deny AJ has talent.
It’s just that he doesn’t have the psychological make-up.
Other pitchers that don’t have his talent make up for it with guile, smarts, whatever you want to call it.
That is why Joe didn’t trust him to go game 6, full rest or not. Gaudin was a ruse, he had no intention of using him.
at least AJ throws pies…that is earning this 82 million dollars..
Even if Mo pitched 2 2/3 innings this postseason. What makes you think he can do even MORE of a daunting task with 3 innings than before? Than let’s say we are in the same situation next year, you want him to go 3 1/3 innings? You can’t keep pushing him until he falters, because every time Mo comes in, you KNOW it’s a big game. You can’t take risks like that, especially not as often as you all want.
Mo is THE BEST at what he does, and what he does is close games, by pitching 1 inning. It doesn’t mean he is THE BEST 3 inning closer ever.
I will not hate Girardi for bringing him in for 3 innings, but I would do otherwise, that’s all I’m saying.
“Swallow your pride and go to Lee on 3 days rest, ” of course it would 2 days rest not three…
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Game 6 is also a clinching game. In game 7, I don’t think you worry about how many innings or pitches he’s thrown beyond the point of human ability to pitch (like, if he throws 60 pitches and loses, THEN we’d probably only see him for 1 ining in game 7). But I don’t like the idea of Joba/Marte/whoever blowing the game in the 7th, and then in game 7 having no opportunity to go to Mo. You’ll be kicking yourself forever if that happens.
“It’s just that he doesn’t have the psychological make-up.”
I love stuff like this. How many pitchers did you idiots run out of town because they didn’t “have the psychological make-up” only to see them succeed elsewhere?
I personally trust Marte Hughes and Joba to get 4-5 outs with a 2 or 3 run lead.
The blows the Phillies have dealt have been one off mistake home runs. They ahven’t run rallies on our relievers by any means in close games.
I think Mariano should start the 8th, but not appear in the 7th with bases loaded and one out.
False bravado at least shows a willingness to want to help the _team. That’s all I care about?
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ARE YOU ASKING ME OR TELLING ME.
“That’s why his false bravado sounds shallow to me.”
mick, I think that’s just part of the drill. They all try to sound confident. I think his will come from having enough good experience so he can build on it. I’m willing to give him the “on the road, 3-days rest” pass all day long. That said, if he failed at the Stadium, I still wouldn’t turn on him. But there’s enough to question there that I give him the benefit of the doubt.
Hey more experienced than him have melted down. Can’t be a lot of fun being the relative new kid on the block (i.e., the only one in the starting rotation who had never sniffed a postseason start.)
It’s all good. He’s ours and we love him.
Same with Robby, Phil Coke, and anyone else who hasn’t quite made the grade. That’s what the rest of the team is for – and obviously they’ve gotten the job done quite well. I would have to believe that rather than trashing and hating on any of their teammates, each of them can think back to a time when they were picked up by those teammates.
They’re a lot more mature than their fans are, that’s for sure!
Enough Pitching Changes-Ooohhh, math fail. My bad.
All apologies to Charlie.
Mick-Telling. Typo.
go to Lee on 3 days rest,
try 2 days, get facts straight
Hopefully Andy can give them 5-6 good innings and then the only people we see out of the bullpen are Robertson, Joba and Marte. Hughes is ok for a batter or 2 but I dont trust him as much. Definitely no Aceves or Coke. Coke can get the ball again in spring training
Again, I apologize for the math fail. You’re all 100% right, I messed up. Sorry.
They all try to sound confident.
Trish
Not all. Andy and CC don’t sound like they have something to prove.
Not signing Chien Ming Wang would be idiotic.
Give him 2-3 years and 6-8 million and let’s get him back into top shape. He loves the Yanks and is a national hero.
We can’t lose him. He’s young and still a dang good pitcher. Don’t forget that. If he gets correct rehab of his hips and legs, he’s going to be great again. You don’t give up and let some other team snatch him when he can clearly be fixed.
Some people are ridiculous.
If you have a chance to win a World Series, anything is up for debate.
If it was a 3 run lead, I would go with Mo in the 7th inning. If he gets you through the 8th inning without giving up a run, maybe in those 2 innings, your offense scores a run or 2. You could have a 3-5 run lead by the 9th. Then you definitely leave him in there for the 9th.
I would not put him in the 7th inning if we were up by 1.
I might if we were up by 2.
This is the World Series. With a World Series for the taking, who better to take it than the greatest reliever in baseball history.
Charlie Manuel is from Northfork, WV.
A town as of the census of 2000, there were 519 people, 229 households, and 130 families residing in the town.
Median household income is $16,544.
The town also has a museum which has a variety of coal mining items.
Yeah I guess that is backwoods. Nothing against WV or Manuel, he just doesn’t come across as the fastest pickel in the barrell !
The biggest risk in bringing Mo in for a 3 inning save is his pitch count.
Mariano threw 39 pitches in his 2 inning save in Game 2. I have the utmost confidence in Mo but I’d be lying to you if I said I wasn’t concerned with Mo coming in the 9th after throwing 40 pitches.
mick – I’m talking more the “newbies” to the postseason.
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To the Francessa/Sweeni argument, and Mo going 3.
Does a team REALLY want to win at all costs? Meaning, do you use Mo for 3 Innings (which Girardi will not do) and not let any other reliever into the game? What kind of message does this send? I mean, it’ s not like once the season ends you never have to see these people again. These players, most of them, will be back next year and you’re depending on them to help gain a championship, again. Now, I think there’s a limit. I think players understand if you choose someone over you because they’re “hot” and you’re not, but I don’t think it goes over so well to bypass everyone and make Mo pitch in a situation he’s not done (3 innings!!!!).
Wave,
I’m not saying I agree with the logic that Burnett is incapable of pitching well on the road – and the numbers back that up.
There is no Yankee player in recent memory though for which more excuses are made than A.J. Burnett.
Instead of people admitting that he is what his career numbers say he is they give three excuses – Jorge Posada screws him up, he can’t pitch on the road, and Girardi put him in a bad situation.
All three of those are implausible. Even if they were true – and they are not,- they aren’t acceptable “excuses” that should absolve a pitcher.
Derek Jeter hits into a DP last night and people on this blog are ready to kill him, even after a brilliant season.
Jorge Posada, according to a segment of people on this blog, suddenly can’t call pitches anymore even though he’s been the starting catcher for three World Series teams.
On down the line proven players are constantly – lock and potential Hall of Famers – crucified on this blog – and the failures of an average pitcher who has accomplished nothing really of note in a nine-year career are blamed on everyone else accept the pitchrer himself.
It’s illogical, and frankly, it’s indefensible.
2003? 2002 was 6 years ago ffs. Mariano was 33, now he’s 39. Anyone who is around 40+ knows the difference. Mariano has been awesome throughout his career, but he is human. 2 innings now is postseason only, and is pushing it. He might be able to do 3, but I wouldn’t try it.
The floodgates will open early for Pedro and the Yankees will be looking for a fat cushion for Mariano to work with courtesy of the Phillie relievers that follow Pedro.
2003* was 6 years ago… (post above)
new to this site.. But I think only 4 innings is what is required of Andy provided we are close. If Andy does that, we go with Hughes, Robertson, Marte, Joba, Ace etc. for innings 5 through 7 and give MO 8th and 9th.
I love stuff like this. How many pitchers did you idiots run out of town because they didn’t “have the psychological make-up” only to see them succeed e
genius, guys like ed whitson, kevin brown ran themselves out of town on their own. if they can’t pitch here, it’s more on the scouts that chose them or the gm.
If we have lead, even CC can come in for an inning to go for the kill.
He has the propensity to get 3 pitch ABs and sometimes 1 pitch ABs. He could get through 3 innings on 45-50 pitches.
Forgot Guadin. He can give an inning or so as well.
yeah but that was also 6 yrs ago Mo was 33 yrs old and he was still throwing 95-97 with sick movement on his pitches..
it’s six years later he’ll be 40 in two weeks he’s coming off shoulder surgery this past offseason and after pitching in every game this postseason except two he’s currently sitting 87-90 topping out at 91 with less movement although he still has pinpoint control.
be easy with the 3 inning saves. Girardi is morphing into the guy who overworked Josh Johnson,Annibal Sanchez and Sergio Mitre in Florida in his quest to be named manager of the year for the Marlins only to have all those arms blow up the next year.
He manages to make things much harder than they have to be with his impatient micromanaging approach.
i know it’s too early to think about right now but the Yanks made a 7yr commitment to Sabathia knowing full well that he’d thrown more innings and pitches than any pitcher in baseball the last three years. If he goes 7 innings in game 7 if we need it he’ll be at over 280 innings and close to 5000 in game pitches….his arms going to fall off within 3 yrs if Joe makes it a practice to kepp riding him like this
It’s not about what message it sends. Swallow your egos guys. If Girardi doesn’t put in Mariano only because he’s worried how his pitcherss psyches will be affected next season we will have bigger problems than Mo going three innings…namely, the fragile psyches of the pitchers.
I think Mo goes maximum 2 in game 6, but he could go 3 in a game 7
Online poll about sexiest player in the World Series. Order of finish
Chase Utkey
Derek Jeter
Cole Hamels
Alex Rodriguez
There’s a segment of the population somewhere that doesn’t think the wet head is dead.
I have a question for all these folks who want Mo to pitch in the 7th tomorow night. What happens if he’s thrown 45 pitches and he proves he’s human and gives up a 2 run homer and we lose the game? Exactly who is the closer for Game 7?
“I lived in the South for a few years, but I have never heard a slow Southern drawl such as Charlie Manuel’s. He definitely must be from backwoods Appalachia.”
would you believe he’s fluent in japanese?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Manuel
there’s probably more to manuel than what you see on the surface.
kind of the equivalent of the country lawyer that just plays dumb.
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Scared of the Wall,
I agree. We all know Mo can have 8 pitch innings, if that’s the case, bring him in for the 6th also! But we just don’t know. What if his first inning is 15 pitches (reasonable) and the second is around 20 pitches? He can end up throwing 50 pitches! Than we can’t use him for one pitch in game 7 if it comes up.
For me to pull the trigger and bring Mo in for the 7th, 99 out of 100 things needs to have gone wrong, and I still think we have an option or two of that 99 left, before going to Mo.
I say Mariano pitches 24 outs, lets only give Andy one inning to be safe.
“Not all. Andy and CC don’t sound like they have something to prove.”
Uh, because maybe they don’t?
How long have you been watching baseball? Are you telling me that you’ve never heard a pitcher who has had a dreadful outing say that he can’t wait to get back out on the mound, that when the manager puts him back out there right away he is so grateful that the manager showed some confidence in him? That’s not false bravado. That’s a KNOWLEDGE that all players fail at some point and enough of a belief in his own ability that he wants the chance to get back out there.
And by the way, they are not only playing on the biggest stage, they are doing it with the biggest spotlight on their baseball caps – the interlocking NY.
Sorry. I don’t have a word of criticism for any player who goes out and gives it his all, fail or succeed. And I believe all of our guys have done that. They’ve given their best.
I can’t see a scenario where Girardi uses Mo for 3IP in G6. Could Mo do it? Sure. But if for any reason the game is lost – he would run the risk of lessening Mo’s effectiveness in G7. Big no-no. Yes, you have to play to win when you have the chance – but you also need some kind of balance in case you can’t wrap it up. The possibility of 2IP in G7 and 2IP in potential G7 is a good balance.
In any event, I’m really hoping it’s all a moot point. Let’s score a bunch of runs in the first half of the game and cruise to the end!
Scared of the wall
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I’d be worried too. But, ask yourself this. Mariano Rivera after 40 pitches or a fully rested any other reliever on this team or in the major leagues. Who do you trust more?
Mo is the closer for game 7. It’s game 7. All hands on deck.
BDon’t say it’s never been done. Francessa pulled up tons of situations where it’s been done. Agree with him or not, he didn’t make up those situations. They’ve happened.
Pat,
Chase “Jessie James” Utley needs a shave.
Hate that stupid head !
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I was actually hoping it would have been the traditional Navy w/white pinstripes and the logo, but apparently they’re going for the uniform shirt look.
I think it would be one of those things where if the weather’s gonna be bad, we switch to the black cover. The really interesting thing is, now that I think of it, is if we have company over for a BBQ, the cover is not going to be on the grill is it?
A.J. burnett can’t be trusted in a big game situation. The guy does have a 10 cent head. He is a up and down pitcher, and that performance last night was a Kevin Brown type performance.
KF-
Thank you for sharing that Johnny news
“Instead of people admitting that he is what his career numbers say he is they give three excuses – Jorge Posada screws him up, he can’t pitch on the road, and Girardi put him in a bad situation.
All three of those are implausible. ”
I’m with you. Although who’s to say AJ wouldn’t have been better on full rest. Not that I’m criticizing Girardi, given his options starting AJ in game 5 was probably the best choice.
champ809
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
i know it’s too early to think about right now but the Yanks made a 7yr commitment to Sabathia knowing full well that he’d thrown more innings and pitches than any pitcher in baseball the last three years. If he goes 7 innings in game 7 if we need it he’ll be at over 280 innings and close to 5000 in game pitches….his arms going to fall off within 3 yrs if Joe makes it a practice to kepp riding him like this
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the Yankees sign Sabathia to help them win the World Series?
If you’re not gonna ride him now, than what the heck are you even playing the game for?
Tom in NJ-
I had swine flu. It wasn’t that bad. I got to be quarantined at home for a week (which led me to comment on this blog). I only had the fever, cough and tummy problems for a week. Unfortunately it took me about three weeks to get full Erica energy back. Good luck!
I’m a dude, but I never thought to myself that any women would have thought any of those 4 players were “sexy.” I seriously don’t see it.
I don’t mean to start another debate, but I don’t see why some women are infatuated with Jeter’s physical image.
In any event, I will now go to the Michael Jackson movie with a friend and not worry a hair on my head about tomorrow night. Girardi’s done well without me up to this point. I trust him for one or two more games!
Cheerio all!
And don’t forget – blessed are the flexible for they shall not get bent out of shape.
So Francessa thinks its worth the gamble to pitch Mo 3 innings in game 6 to go for it, but yet was willing to concede game 5 without a fight? You have to go for it whenever there is an opportunity, Burnett in Game 5 was an opportunity and Mike didn’t think we should take it. Wish Sweeny would have used that logic.
The swine flu isn’t that bad. Just get yourself a little oinkment.
Uh, because maybe they don’t?
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Trish
They don’t because they are better pitchers. Talk is cheap.
mick – of course they are better pitchers. There are lots of pitchers who are better than others! It doesn’t mean that the other ones aren’t confident.
Again – I’d much rather have a pitcher want to get back out there than say he can’t wait for the season to be over.
But that’s just me.
Okay mick. See ya later.
you got the last word, trish.
pat
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Online poll about sexiest player in the World Series. Order of finish
Chase Utkey
Derek Jeter
Cole Hamels
Alex Rodriguez
There’s a segment of the population somewhere that doesn’t think the wet head is dead.
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Seriously? Gross. How did he beat Derek and Alex?
Steve Summers is AWESOME !!!!!!!!
He’s making fun of Manuel right now, horrible.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Steve Summers is AWESOME !!!!!!!!
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He’s a yankee hater.
Here are some things each of you should consider today:
If, on these dates: May 1, July 10, and the morning of October 29th you were offered the opportunity to have the Yankees ahead 3-2 in the World Series with Andy and CC lined up to pitch game 6 (even with the 3 days rest caveat)-would any of you turn that down? Well, that’s where we are today. Forget about everything that’s happened up until now, the Yankees need a single win in the next two games in a stadium where their home record in the second half (even with the loss in game 1) is about 35-9.
And, this stuff about AJ not being able to pitch on the road is such a bunch of hogwash it defies belief. He won 18 games last year pitching for Toronto-not a single one of those wins was at the new Yankee Stadium.
The 2003 ALCS Game 7 went extra innings. Torre was able to ride out Rivera by gauging his effectiveness. If he had thrown 50 pitches in the 2 innings, and had to work out of a bases loaded jam, he would have never been out for the 3rd inning.
That situation is different than Girardi going to Rivera in the 7th inning and saying, “Here, get 9 outs.” I don’t think Rivera has ever been in THAT type of situation before, and certainly not recently.
Also, our offense does an amazing job scoring runs in the 7th-9th inning. This isn’t the SF Giants riding out Lincecum’s arm because it’s the only way to victory. A 1-run lead in the 7th inning can easily turn into a 4-run lead.
What is up fellas. I dont know what this sky is falling talk is about. Joba pitched very strong the night before and Hughes looked more in control than ever in the playoffs.
You know what those tough minded/never say die(media keeps telling us) Phillies are thinking today? “What freakin lead is safe against this relentless team? If they almost erased a 6 run lead in the 8th inning vs. our best pitcher. Whats safe?” We are closing this game out in 6 ala anaheim.
of course they signed him to win a world series but the idea behind a 7yr 160 mil investment is to have him for the whole seven years…
overworking these guys today in many cases effects them tommorow…look at Hamels off of last years workload…now we’re talking crazyness of throwing Mo for 3innings…Goose Gossage did that all the time but it’s a different game now.
even Beckett hasn’t been the same since the ’07 season…the sox got the ring that year but you can make a case that it cost them a chance to repeat last year because he was not the same pitcher and they couldn’t get past the rays
On Sportscenter Kruk and Gammons both picked the Phillies to win tomorrow. Gammons said he thinks Pedro will get it done.
Mitch Williams also picked the Phils tomorrow on 1050 earlier today
Pitching Mo for 3 innings is just asking for trouble. In the 7th inning I am confident Marte and Joba can get the job done. Marte has been death to lefties this postseason and really his whole career. Joba looked great last night up until that 3-2 pitch got away from him. Pettitte just needs to go 6 and the Yankees will be golden
Danny
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
On Sportscenter Kruk and Gammons both picked the Phillies to win tomorrow. Gammons said he thinks Pedro will get it done.
Mitch Williams also picked the Phils tomorrow on 1050 earlier today
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If Kruk picked the Phillies, the Yankees will definitely wrap it up tomorrow
RS
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Great point. But Joe should say to Mo, get as many outs as you can, not here’s 9 outs, go get ‘em. Like I said, he really could only come in with a 3 run lead in the 7th. There would be a strong probability that he would give up 0 or 1 runs. Maybe in those 2 innings, our offense gets 1 or 2 runs.
Oh well, it is my firm belief and hope it will be a 7 run lead come the 8th inning, and Mo can come in for the final 2 to nail the door shut.
champ809
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
of course they signed him to win a world series but the idea behind a 7yr 160 mil investment is to have him for the whole seven years…
overworking these guys today in many cases effects them tommorow…look at Hamels off of last years workload…now we’re talking crazyness of throwing Mo for 3innings…Goose Gossage did that all the time but it’s a different game now.
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I am pretty sure CC has pitched even more innings than this year in the past.
Sparky Lyle pitched 6 innings (give or take a couple of outs) in the deciding game of the ALCS in either ’76 or ’77, that was a different era.
I don’t see a need for Mo to go 3 innings in game 6 unless it was extra innings and the bullpen is burned out-not a likely scenario. If it’s game 7 you leave him out there as long as he can get outs, if it’s 3 innings or more it’s not an issue, he has the full winter to rest.
Could these ESPN losers be any more obvious. My only question to all these losers would be, why not come out and say “This is what I want to happen, not necessarily what I think will happen.”
It will all be dependent on the situation as to who will pitch in any given innings.
If the Yankees have a 3 or 4 run lead they aren’t going to Mo early. If they have a lead and a reliever gives up a run or two (such as Coke) you bring in Mo in the high leverage situation, even if its early.
The real key to tomorrow’s game is going to be Andy. If he keeps the game in check the Yankees should win. If he can’t get past the 3rd inning, it will be a crap shoot and give fodder to all the mediots who know nothing about baseball.
I really think the media in general is given a list of things to harp on. Instant replay, short rest and how pitchers can’t handle it, what have you.
Same with the comments made by Hamels, which are made to sound like he quit on the team. (The whole interview made it sound more like he was looking forward to a new start after this years struggles, but not giving up on this WS.)
Same with him and his teammate. It could very easily been the usual banter between friends.
This type of stuff is why a beat writer is so much better than the national “experts”. While they might have some similar opinions, they base their opinions on being around the team. That is a big difference.
Yankees win 6-4 tomorrow for #27. Andy goes 6 innings and gives up 3 runs.
I heard Hamels’ interview, and it was one of the worst I’ve ever heard.
I was wrong. CC has pitched about 10 more innings than he ever has. He will be fine next year.
champ, CC is a different animal than those others-he is a huge guy who is very strong and uses his body very well in his delivery.
go look up the stats of Mickey Lolich in the late 60′s and early 70′s-he threw 300+ innings a year for about 5 years after winning 3 complete games in the 1968 World Series.
Trisha,
In any event, I will now go to the Michael Jackson movie with a friend and not worry a hair on my head about tomorrow night.
I saw the movie last weekend, let me know if you liked it.
Gammons is senile. Sorry, but he jumped the shark years ago. His bias doesn’t always come through, but when the Yankees went up 3-1 in the series he barely could talk.
Kruk with his unprofessional ranting and raving makes you wonder if he ever played above little league. He is obviously not baseball smart. Anyone on TV who grows a playoff beard in support of his team is pretty pathetic anyway. He watches these games with his heart, not his head.
there is one more element in this discussion for games 6 and 7-AJ is available in the bullpen. Before you laugh, you either get the good AJ or bad AJ and it’s pretty easy to tell while he’s warming up. If he’s hitting the glove you bring him in on a very short leash, there would be no need to keep him in a game 6 or game 7 if he’s not dominating like he did in game 2.
poof
bye bye gamethread
If Girardi goes with the numbers why didnt Hinske play right field in game 2. With those numbers against pedro why not give him a shot?
Maybe it was all a dream…
Game thread was fun. It was like I saw the future.
Why is Hinske here? In pich hitting situations, he’s went to Hairston. I thought we got Hinske so that we DON’T have to do that?
Wait till the World Series November 3rd, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Why is Hinske here?
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To eat Cano.
Hinske is 8-30 against Pedro lifetime, that isn’t nearly enough to compensate for his butchery in right field-Matsui would be an upgrade on one knee.
new thread
Boatz n Hose
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Wait till the World Series November 3rd, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Why is Hinske here?
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To eat Cano.
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LOL
We all know that Gammons, Kruk, and Williams were going to pick the Phillies to win game 6. Doesn’t mean much because they have been wrong all year long.
This series will be over. And all the Yankee haters will be making excuses and talking about payroll.
Have they already announced the line up?
Moreover, they need to be confident in the bullpen if they only expect Pettite to go 85 pitches. Coming out and saying that is just a welcoming mat for the Phillies to eat up pitches, then tear up the weary bullpen.