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It’s only been a few days since the final game of the World Series, and already the Yankees are transitioning to next year. Some of the players have already cleared out their lockers, fans chanted “28″ at the parade and the free agent decision making process will begin shortly. That’s what I wrote about in today’s paper.
And with that, I’m going to start making my way to the airport so I can fly to Chicago for the General Managers’ meetings. These are not to be confused with December’s winter meetings, but we can all hope for some nice hot stove gossip. And maybe even some cold, hard facts!
By the way, Yankees lefty Mike Dunn got the win in that Arizona Fall League all-star game last night. One scoreless inning. Two strikeouts. Eleven of 14 pitches for strikes.
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Just a quickie:
Top moments of the Year?
In no order:
Arod’s homer on 1st pitch at Balt.
Castillo drops the ball vs Mets
Arod’s 7 RBI, Grand Slam in one inning,in last AB of season to reach 30/100.
Name a walkoff.
Last out of the WS.
I dont know about anyone else but this blog became a lot more enjoyable since pa left. jennings-borden>peteabe.
Melky’s cycle…
and mick i’d say posada’s walkoff against the angels because it was my first new yankee stadium game.
Ian Kennedy’s one inning. Will that guy ever be a big leaguer? Remember when he was thought of as the future?
Jeter tying and breaking the hit record
Mo’s 500th save and RBI
Shutting down out Red Sox for 32 consecutive innings at YS (during 4 game sweep)
9 game winning streak during HOPE week
*Shutting out the Red Sox*
Mo’s RBI and the look on Jeter’s face when it looked like the Mets were actually pitching to him with Mo on deck
Top moments of the Year?
15th inning walkoff HR against Boston
Damon’s double steal because I went from “what the h is he doing” to “Woo Hoo” in 2 seconds.
Can someone explain why Johnny Damon has been referred to by several ESPN personalities over the course of the year as John Damon?
I believe his actual name is Johnny, not a nickname for John.
Oooooh, I cannot wait to see Chad Henne against the Patriots!
I have a feeling Henne will look like a version of Red Sox Brad Penny.
I hope Dunn gets an invite to spring training and gives Coke a run for his money.Maybe it’ll go down to the wire of which one makes the team,with the two lefties.
Coke was the reason their was a game 6,when he gave up two runs in game 5.
What about Bruney stay/go? He wasn’t as good when he came back from his injury,very spotty 2nd half.
I hope Molina is gone.He was a crutch for AJ,that caused the line up to be weakened,being an automatic out.
Lets not forget the contribution of one Mr.Cody Ransom.
Erin-
Wherever you are, check out the google doodle of the day.
Not to say “I told you so” or anything…. but
I like Molina but I think Cervelli is ready for back-up duties next year. He worked well with Sabathia and Burnett, and showed a strong throwing arm. I also like that he has speed…I saw him leg out a few infield singles that Molina would have no chance at.
This is not a top moment but in my mind an important moment. When Tex got hit twice by Padilla and got really angry about it was the first time I saw him really charged up. And then AJ retaliating, showing that this Yankees team would no longer tolerate Yankee batters being hit.
CC was watching the World Series… of Poker at The Rio in Vegas yesterday
Very cordial
Favourite moment of the year:
Sunday night game when Damon and Tex went back to back on Future Hall of Famer Daniel Bard.
Too many moments to count.
But my family went to the Luis Castilllo dropped pop-up game. We had to leave in the middle of the 7th inning. Three things stood out in that game. The first, not so hot, Joba started and was painful to watch. But, as we left, the Yankees were up at bat, Jorge Posada got a hit as we were leaving the stadium. By the time we reached the subway platform, a HUGE cheer erupted from the Stadium. I knew something good had happened, but didn’t know what. Found out later that MATSUI had hit a homerun!
The last is the blur that was missing a few innings in transit to our car at Port Authority. Tuning in to the radio, but not realizing right away that Mariano had blown a lead. And then listening to ARod pop-up and the resigned sound of Sterling’s voice only to have it instantaneously change to utter disbelief as first, Castillo dropped the ball, and, then, how Teixeira had scored the winning run.
It was an unbelievable day for my family and for the Yankees. And that was always what I went back to in my mind whenever the Yankees were behind in a game after that point. The way Tex continued to run was symbolic of the team never once stopping.
Great, great season!
I just had a thought
The yankees have a couple of choices that they can make with the Matsui/Damon situation.
They can keep both Matsui and Damon, let Damon play LF and make Matsui the DH. While letting molina go and keeping Cervelli as a backup. Then you let Matsui start against either LHP or RHP depending on who he hits better (this year I think it was LHP). When hes not starting Jorge can get a day off behind the plate, while still having a good backup catcher thats not a automatic out.
Then with Melky playing CF, Swisher RF, and Damon LF with Gardner on the bench. They can also let A-jax get a couple of starts during the summer in case something happens.
I enjoyed those 3 walk-offs in a row against the Twins. I think that is where the AJ pie throwing first started.
I hope they keep both Damon and Matsui. This was the strongest team in the MLB this year, why break it up?
“I hope they keep both Damon and Matsui. This was the strongest team in the MLB this year, why break it up?”
If Damon and Matsui are reasonable in their contract demands then I prefer this route than spending a bunch of money on Holliday or Bay. If the Yankees lengthens the starting rotation and continue to develop their bullpen arms, this same group can win another WS next season.
“The Dodgers and manager Joe Torre are in talks to extend his contract for at least one more year, Torre confirmed to the Los Angeles Times.”
If Mattingly is the heir apparent, they must not think he’s ready just yet.
There were so many great moments this season. Hard to pick one. I think that the most important was when Alex returned on May 8th.
Erica,
What are you doing with all of your spare time now that there is no more GTLU to host?
Mike from Queens
You got it. I think that’s one of he scenarios they are currently entertaining.
There is no reason to think that either Damon or Matsui will drop off substantially right now. The guys telling you this (Pinstriped Bible for one) were the same ones crying in 2004 that both Damon and Matsui got contracts that were too long, and that both would regress dramatically in 2009. To Steve Goldman’s credit, he admitted he was wrong.
As long as the Yankee understand that the potential is still there, but both are injury risks for the next two seasons, and build that into the decisions, I think they will sign both, and rotate the DH with Posada for the next two seasons.
Posada has two years left, and then will retire. Jeter and ARod are nowhere near DH yet, and will not be for at least two years. Occasionally yes, but over 10% of AB, no.
I think two year contracts with team option for year 3 (oh I hate when I posted the year 3 option) will get both done. If not, so be it.
Alex’s HR off Tazawa was a Top 5 moment, imho.
That was the game that hit the ‘reset’ button on the Red Sox/Yankees season series.
“If Mattingly is the heir apparent, they must not think he’s ready just yet.”
That contract extension has more to do with Torre not being ready to walk away from the game after next season than it does with Mattingly being ready or not.
Game 2 ALDS on mlb network now.
I would hope the Yankees bring back Damon. He can keep left field warm for Crawford and give Ajax another year to get ready.
Has anybody else seen Romulo Sanchez pitch? He has an overpowering fast ball.
Top moment of the year:
-Mariano Rivera successfully coming in all postseason 2 inningsor more, with sore ribs.His complete shut down of the Angels,and Phillies big bats.They couldn’t figure him out.
-Andy passing Smoltz for most postseason wins.ALso going 6 innings on short rest,keepibg the Yankees well ahead in the game
-Damon stealing 2 base in 9 seconds,realizing he could because no one was covering 3rd.
-Damaso Marte,he attacked the strike zone,had no fear,and was a lefty killer.
-Matsui as a PH in Philly,off the bench made it count.
-David Robertson solid performance whenever he came in,wanted to see more of him.
-Yankees beating the Twins with Pavano on the mound!!
-Yankees AGAIN ,beating Who’s your daddy,for the WS clench,sweet.
The turning point of the season was the A-Rod first pitch HR. Consider the scenario:
. The Yanks had just been swept at home by Boston and Tampa Bay
. Everybody-I mean everybody-was saying things like “Don’t get your hopes up. He doesn’t need to contribute immediately. Just his presence will be enough” etc. etc. etc.
. The Yankees were in third place at the time. They won over 90 games after he got back and a World Series.
. The odds of that happening had to be a zillion to one.
I love Newsday’s commemorative issue – real positive. They have blurbs on all the players. For AJ, they mention he stayed healthy……..then, that he blew game 5 of the WS (how about they mention how he saved the WS by pitching brilliantly in game 2). For Phil, they mention that he “withered” in the playoffs instead of how the team wouldn’t have gotten to the playoffs period without him. Who knows what other negative comments they made about other players?
To me, the Yankee offseason is not all that difficult. They need to bring back one of Damon or Matsui to be the primary DH. Then, they need an outfielder, not necessarily LF. They can get a CF, move Melky to left; or a RF, and move Swisher to left. So they have flexibility for what they need. Gardner is a capable 4th OF, and Hairston can play IF and OF. IF is set for starters and backups, provided they do keep Hairston along with Pena. Molina leaves, Cervelli is primary backup.
Wait- love the new handle
Not top moments, but memorable moments:
Cervelli’s walk off when he just kept running
Brett’s inside the park HR for the girl w/ cancer
All of HOPE week, esp AJ and Ace staying far into the night
Alex hitting the grand slam in Tampa to get to 100 rbi/30HR
Crawdaddy
Maybe, but if they see Mattingly as the future and they think he’s ready, letting Torre dictate the pace is a bad business decision.
I hope the guys got a chance to say goodbye to each other for it’s never going to be the same. It’s a little depressing that it just ends so quickly…….but, I agree with Joe that these guys will always have a bond and when they see each other alltogether, whenever that is, the years will melt away. Band of Brothers -that’s what Cash calls them.
Best moment of the season will always be Alex’ hitting that HR in his first at bat back. I adored the pies, of course. AJ had promised that in ST and he stuck to his word. I also loved Swish making an X on his arms in support of his injured teammate, Nady and AJ learning Chinese in order to communicate with Wang. Alex hitting the HR in the 15th inning against the Red Sox; the Yanks getting their first win against the Sox by pounding them into submission; Damon and Tex’ HRs against the Sox to rip the Sox’ heart out. Taking 2/3 in Anaheim……..Coming back from the all-star break red hot. So many moments, so many things to cherish about this team.
TTh pitching staff is a little more complicated, depending on the Pettitte decision. Even with Andy, they are a little thin at the top of the rotation. CC is obviously a no 1, but AJ is kind of a 2 1/2. Pettitte was supposed to be the no 5 starter this year, if he is back in 2010, it will be as the no 3. Joba, I think will be a very good no 4, compared to the other 4s around the league. Hughes can be a capable 5. But they need a no 2, IMO, with or without Andy.
IMO, they should not non-tender Wang. I don’t think you can let a pitcher of his talent just leave. They paid Lieber and Dotel to rehab here, why not Wang? He is a Yankee prospect, and better than those two to begin with. Even if he is done until 2011, I think they need to give him a chance. He could be the best pickup of the 2010-11 offseason if they stick with him.
Oops, another one:
Mo getting an RBI on K-Rod’s walk
-AJ pitching brilliantly in game 2 of the WS, showing up all his critics
“IMO, they should not non-tender Wang. I don’t think you can let a pitcher of his talent just leave. They paid Lieber and Dotel to rehab here, why not Wang? He is a Yankee prospect, and better than those two to begin with. Even if he is done until 2011, I think they need to give him a chance. He could be the best pickup of the 2010-11 offseason if they stick with him.”
Mark,
There are distinct differences between rehabbing from shoulder surgery and TJS especially considering this is the second major shoulder injury for Wang.
The key is IF Matsui and Damon are willing to compromise….I think Damon might be, I’m not sure about Matsui. If they want to stay Yankees, they are going to have to take less $$ and years, that’s just the way it is.
Upstate Kate, AJ is a different breed of pitcher than any the Yanks have had in awhile, but he showed that much earlier, in the game in Tampa when he 2 hit the Rays. Remember that Garza had buzzed Tex (I think), so AJ did the same to Longoria…………Still, that Texas game was a good highlight; I had forgotten about that.
I’m fine with AJ as a #2 – his year was better than people think. Still, they could use another pitcher in case Andy isn’t as good as he is this year. I have no idea what Joba will provide – I’m not assuming anything with him because I don’t even know that he will work hard this off-season.
I would prefer to keep Damon if he will accept a short term deal. However as I’ve said I think there is a possibility that another team offers him a 3 year deal and if so the Yankees won’t match it. If that were to happen then they have no lfer and would have likely have to get in the holliday sweepstakes.
Crawdaddy,
I agree, but he is not expensive, in relative terms, to bring back. On the other hand, if he returns to form in 2011, would you want to see him with Boston or LA? I just think that the risk is more than worth the reward.
If he is never going to be the same guy again, they wasted less on him than what it cost to buy out Giambi, and less than what they paid for the misery of Jaret Wright. It is not like they will pass on acquiring a pitcher because they are waiting on him.
I’d like to get a little better number two if we could find one. I am not a Lackey fan at all. His fastball velocity has been dropping, he’s old, he’s known as a bad teammate, and he was injured last year.
“Crawdaddy,
I agree, but he is not expensive, in relative terms, to bring back. On the other hand, if he returns to form in 2011, would you want to see him with Boston or LA? I just think that the risk is more than worth the reward.
If he is never going to be the same guy again, they wasted less on him than what it cost to buy out Giambi, and less than what they paid for the misery of Jaret Wright. It is not like they will pass on acquiring a pitcher because they are waiting on him.”
Mark,
I have to give Cashman some wiggle room here since he will know the medical status of Wang’s arm more than us. Wang made 5M last season, how much will he make in 2010 has yet to be determined, but I wouldn’t pay him that much money for 2010, when he might not pitch effectively again in the ML. In short, Cashman is in a better position than us to judge the risk versus reward argument. Who’s to say what pitcher Cashman might be targeting in 2011?
I wonder if Hideki truly realizes how game 6 will resonate for years to come?
Twenty years from now, he’ll still be remembered as “World Series Hero Hideki Matsui”.
I certainly hope the Yanks re-sign him so that we can hear the ovation he receives in his first Yankee Stadium at-bat next season.
It’s in the Yankees best interest to get Joba and Hughes straight so they can be effective ML starting pitchers in 2010. If not both of them, at least one of them needs to step up to the pitching mound and be the pitcher we’ve been hoping for them to be.
I agree to stay away from Lackey, but he is not particularly old. He just turned 31, so a 4 year deal is not bad. He seems old, though, because we have been battling his ugly mug forever.
Lackey is going to want AJ’s type of money and I rather the Yankees not go that route.
crawdaddy,
Yes, Cashman of course knows better than us what Wang’s prognosis will be, my point is simply that it is so hard to get top notch starting pitchers that you must exhaust every possibility with your 2 time 19 game winner before you cut him loose.
Mark-Hmmm. I didn’t know he was only 31.
I’d still stay away from him for the other reasons I gave though.
Erica – always OPPC
November 8th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Erin-
Wherever you are, check out the google doodle of the day.
Not to say “I told you so” or anything…. but
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LOL Erica. You were right! As soon as you said Elmo yesterday I somehow knew it would be him.
Craw, I agree- about Lackey and about Joba/Phil. Joba really needs to step up this year and Phil just needs to show progress as a starter. I wish I didn’t have questions about Joba’s work ethic or makeup…….
What questions are there about Joba’s work ethic or makeup?
Geez, can Sherman be any MORE negative?
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....WP7sKUmD2O
“I hope Dunn gets an invite to spring training and gives Coke a run for his money.Maybe it’ll go down to the wire of which one makes the team,with the two lefties.
Coke was the reason their was a game 6,when he gave up two runs in game 5.”
Yeah. The 6 runs AJ gave up meant nothing.
I didn’t miss any Yankees on SNL last night did I?
Both Phils are young guys who pitched more this year than in prior years. They also had their first real taste of post season play (yes I do remember that Phil H got the only win against Cleveland in 07). With the experience of this year, I think they will be even better next year.
I really think the Yankees need another starting pitcher. Last year we went into ST with Wang slotted as our #2, and I think we need someone of that caliber.
Remember, our rotation was really not great the second half of the year. It may seem foggy now, but Joba struggled mightily and Gaudin/Mitre was our #5. We got by in those starts only because of the dynamite offense and steady bullpen.
Unless Aceves has another 10 win season in him, Robertson steps up and pitches to a 1.40 ERA, and Rivera continues to not age, we need to bolster the starting rotation. Can’t guarentee that the bullpen is going to be as great as it was last year.
why is it that the Yankees clubhouse is always described as being filled with big egos? All clubhouses in all sports are that way….and having an ego isn’t necessarily a bad thing (if these guys didn’t have any ego, they wouldn’t have gotten this far). When I think of big egos, I think of players that don’t sublimate their own selfish concerns for team…..players that are “Me First” types, like Manny.
List of 2009 NYY salaries. CC due 23M next year.
From what I’ve read, Cashman was asked by Hal to lower the 2010 payroll after agreeing to take on Teixeira. Having no idea what was generated by the new stadium and winning the WS, it remains to be seen what the 2010 payroll will look like.
That being said, I would temper any enthusiasm that the Yankees will be signing the top prospects on the FA market such as Lackey, Holliday, Bay. At the same time it would be hard to lose 20% of your homeruns by seeing Matsui and Damon sign elsewhere[ both hit lefties as well as righties and both suited to Yankee Stadium] without a power hitter patrolling the outfield.
http://www.sportscity.com/MLB/.....s-Salaries
I saw nothing negative in Sherman’s article and he’s usually as negative as they come. In fact his article was downright tame compared to some of his past articles.
Everything he says is true as well. Those are the issues the Yankees are faced with right now.
Have been in the city for the past two days celebrating.
The Yankee vibe in NYC has been great. Went out for champagne brunch at a country french place on Upper westside and we sat in streetside tables, wearing Yankee stuff. People kept coming by, talking baseball, etc.
Got to see a dear, dear friend of mine who was at Game 5 at Angels in ALCS, and he marveled at the Rivera Inning and how the Yanks are never out of any game.
Just skimming through here, I read the Klapisch article someone linked: are you effing kidding?
The guy writes a piece warning the Yankees about Joba’s future as a potential substance abuser – based on what? His mother’s history and the fact that Posada and Chamberlain bought a $30,000 bottle?
Klapisch has always been a bitter, acid-tongued blowhard, who hates the Yankees, but this thing reads like character assassination.
Joba oughta walk up to this clown and deck him. I’d applaud.
I’ll put good money on Mo continuing to not age, Robertson stepping up, and Ace maybe not having a ten win season but pitching well.
AJ did give up 6 runs.Yankees got back in the game,thanks in part to Damon’s double steal and Alex.
Yankees did go from 2 to getting to 6.Coke comes in and gives back 2 from lefties.Yankees were on the come back Coke squelched that possibility.
Wait,
Your usernames just get better and better.
Ray, maybe I did jump the gun. However, are you really worried about CC’s workload? The Yankees did a terrific job of limiting it, so that he was relatively fresh for the playoffs. I admit, I wasn’t worried about AJ’s health coming into the season and I’m not worried now. His injury history is what it is, but I believe he’s beyond that…..and questioning his (and Tex’s) motivation is silly. That I don’t get.
I guess you’re right, though. I re-read it again and it’s not AS bad as I made it out to be. The Yankees are an older team and they have concerns that go along with that.
I cannot take credit for this username-Nick in SF came up with it.
Bodh, I love hearing that the vibe is still strong in the city; this team had a good feeling about it and even though they have now dispersed for the off-season, those feelings have lingered. I just feel so darn happy, lol.
Would anyone think about moving Aceves back to the rotation? He struggled somewhat in the 2nd half and in the post-season and perhaps it had to do with his arm not quite bouncing back from the constant use as a reliever in the first half.
A few things that wouldn’t shock me (both Yankee and non-Yankee related)
1. Ivan Nova pitching his way into the Yankee rotation this spring. This assumes three things (1 – Hughes starts the year at AAA to keep his innings in check rather than “Hughes Rules” 2 – The Yankees do not open the wallet for a big time free agent pitcher)
2. Cubs send Milton Bradley to Angels for Gary Matthews Jr. Both teams want to unload their respective players, both players have 2 years and about 11 mil left on their contracts. The Angels need a slugging DH to replace Vlad and the Cubs need a CF so they can move Fukudome back to RF.
3. Nick Swisher opens 2010 on the bench. The Yankees loved the idea of having a player like him coming off the bench and backing up in the corner OF spots and at first. I could see the Yankees picking up another corner OF and putting Swish back on the bench.
4. Randy Winn or Rick Ankiel in pinstripes. If Damon wants more than a 1 year deal don’t be shocked if the Yankees move on one of these players. Ankiel would give the Yankees a solid arm in LF along with a power left handed bat at the plate while Winn would fit in nicely behind Jeter in the number 2 spot and give the Yankees another switch hitter.
5. Robinson Cano traded. Will the Yankees continue to wait for Cano to show passion? I don’t know. But with Ramiro Pena emerging last year the Yankees could consider moving Cano for a young pitcher (Matt Cain?) and going with Pena’s glove at 2nd while using a Reegie Corona or Eduardo Nunez to fill Pena’s spot as the utility infielder.
6. Kelly Shoppach or Chris Snyder in pinstripes. We know that Jose Molina is likely gone, but if Damon and Matsui don’t return either the Yankees might bring in another catcher, use Posada mostly at DH (with maybe one or two starts behind the dish a week) and Cervelli as a third catcher.
7. Adrian Gonzalez to the Red Sox. Theo’s former assistant is now the GM in San Diego so he knows exactly what the Sox have to offer. Boston could make Youk a full time 3b and move Lowell to the bench or try to trade him (though I think his contract and injury history will make that impossible). Also going to Boston could be Orlando Cabrera and John Lackey – with JJ Hardy in Minny; Cabrera won’t be going back there. The Sox could include Bucholtz in a deal for Gonzalez and replace him with Lackey.
8. Mets will do something that makes no sense. I could see the Mets signing: Mike Gonzalez (LHP Atlanta); Ben Molina and leaving the rest as it is. Already the Mets are talking about Angel Pagan as their starting LF.
9. Jason Bay and Rich Harden to Seattle
10. A wild trade proposal that makes likely no sense but I’m throwing it out there. Yankees send Cano, Kennedy, and Melky to San Francisco for Matt Cain and Aaron Rowand. Thoughts?
One good thing that also came out of this season was the emergence of Robertson. At the end of last season, I think we all agreed he’d shown quite a bit of promise, but in the first half this year, he still had his control issues (epitomized in that game in Minnesota where he walked in 2 runs). He was terrific in the 2nd half though and came through big time in the playoffs. I will hold off on saying he’s the 8th inning guy next year, but he definitely has that capability. How old is he, 26? We saw Pena and Cervelli also show that they could contribute at this level; it’s a tribute to the farm system.
Wait till we do it all Over Again
November 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
I cannot take credit for this username-Nick in SF came up with it.
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Well done by NSF, then.
Nick Swisher is not a bench player – I think he’s set in RF.
I do hope that Phil starts in AAA to keep his innings down (instead of either (a) starting in the bigs, then moving to the pen or (b) being in the pen in the bigs, then moving into the rotation). I don’t want to see Phil in the pen again and he needs to start so he can start using all his pitches again and work on his change up. Maybe Gaudin can hold his spot until the time comes?
5. Robinson Cano traded. Will the Yankees continue to wait for Cano to show passion? I don’t know. But with Ramiro Pena emerging last year the Yankees could consider moving Cano for a young pitcher (Matt Cain?) and going with Pena’s glove at 2nd while using a Reegie Corona or Eduardo Nunez to fill Pena’s spot as the utility infielder.
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I’m just going to pretend I didn’t see this one. I know Robbie had an awful postseason, but you can’t use that to just write off what he did in the regular season both offenseively and defensively.
Robinson Cano traded. Will the Yankees continue to wait for Cano to show passion? I don’t know. But with Ramiro Pena emerging last year the Yankees could consider moving Cano for a young pitcher (Matt Cain?) and going with Pena’s glove at 2nd while using a Reegie Corona or Eduardo Nunez to fill Pena’s spot as the utility infielder.
trading Cano’s bat? YEAH RIGHT!!!
A wild trade proposal that makes likely no sense but I’m throwing it out there. Yankees send Cano, Kennedy, and Melky to San Francisco for Matt Cain and Aaron Rowand. Thoughts?
LOL hahahahas, and who would be the 2B?
In conclusion, VIDEO GAMES TRADES DOESN’T MEAN IT WILL HAPPEN IN REALITY!!
Betsy,
I wouldn’t say I’m worried about CC’s workload, but he has pitched a lot the last three years. The other two years Cleveland and Milwaukee were at fault.
As long as the Yankees limit his innings he should be fine hopefully.
I don’t think he was really questioning Tex’s and AJ’s hunger, but until you see them do it again the questions will loom.
It all depends on how you view the answers to the questions. If you think all the questions will be answered in the negative then you may see the article as having a negative slant. I think the questions will have a positive answer however.
There is no way-none-Cano is moving. Not unless they can get a guy like King Felix for him, which they won’t.
The Yankees aren’t looking for anything with Cano. He had a great season and won a WS. Sure he struggled in the playoffs, but then so did Tex. Not to mention Ramiro Pena doesn’t have even close to they type of bat for a starting second baseman.
Cano, Kennedy, and Melky would probably not even get Matt Cain alone, let alone Cain and rowand.
Swisher has proven to me that he is a starting RF.
I’m not worried at all about CC. He hasn’t (knock on wood) shown any injury problems at all, he has the whole offseason to rest, and he’s young and seems strong. They should do with CC this year what they did last year.
“Swisher has proven to me that he is a starting RF.”
Yep, I wouldn’t mind bringing back Nady and Hinske though. Hinske is a good luck charm.
If Robinson Cano continues to hit at the pace he’s hitting he’ll be in the HOF. That’s how good his bat is.
You don’t trade HOF players regardless of how dispassionate you believe him to be.
I just don’t get the thought process when it comes to Cano. Has there ever been a player as talented as he is scrutinized as much as he’s been scrutinized?
Hinske is a good bench player, Nady could also be a good bench player and an excellent emergency starter if somebody gets hurt.
“Has there ever been a player as talented as he is scrutinized as much as he’s been scrutinized?”
A-Rod says hi…
Wait,
You have a point about A-Rod. Maybe that’s why they’re so close with one another. A-Rod never gets hit with the lazy tag however which is a big difference between the two.
5. Robinson Cano traded. Will the Yankees continue to wait for Cano to show passion? I don’t know. But with Ramiro Pena emerging last year the Yankees could consider moving Cano for a young pitcher (Matt Cain?) and going with Pena’s glove at 2nd while using a Reegie Corona or Eduardo Nunez to fill Pena’s spot as the utility infielder.
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Well, I see my instincts to stay away from this place were right on.
Think I’ll go back to enjoying the frisson of having just won, while it lasts.
Enjoy.
“Will the Yankees continue to wait for Cano to show passion”
What does this even mean?
raymagnetic
November 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
If Robinson Cano continues to hit at the pace he’s hitting he’ll be in the HOF. That’s how good his bat is.
You don’t trade HOF players regardless of how dispassionate you believe him to be.
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I honestly don’t get the “Cano has no passion” argument. Nobody was complaining during the regular season. Just because he struggled in the playoffs he has no passion? Tex also struggled and I don’t see anyone questioning his passion.
The laziness thing is not unfounded. Larry Bowa said he had to ride Cano every day to get him to play his best baseball. He also said that Cano would often skip fielding practice and only go the batting cage and he would backhand balls he didn’t have to.
Ray, I guess also I have to realize that every team has questions….and the Yankees are an older team. At some point, these guys are going to start showing their age (we just have to wonder when). That’s why I like how Cash has started to infuse the team with youth. Cano is a hard case. I like him personally and he’s very talented, but I wonder if he will have this kind of year consistently. I also wonder about his issues in the post-season and with RISP. I would not actively look to trade him, but it’s true that the Yankees could fill some holes by doing so.
For Aceves to have won 10 games this was huge for a guy out of the pen.They all have postseason experience now,and WS experience.They know what’s necessary to win next year.
Wait,
if Damon doesn’t come back, I actually wouldn’t mind bringing back Nady instead of signing Bay OR Holliday.
The only thing is that Damon is definitely a better player than Nady.
Mariano Rivera = good at pitching.
Like, even better than we thought. Been doing major, major research the past few days. Don’t know when I’ll have the finished product, but it will be big.
Top moment of the year:
Yankees through out the postseason on a 3 man pitching rotation,and able to WIN the whole enchilada(WS)!!
If Mariano’s even better than we thought, to me that means not only can he pitch brilliantly, he could do it while juggling flaming torches and wrestling alligators with the non-pitching hand.
Want to slightly edit something in my last post-I realize there was a lot of complaining about Cano hitting with RISP, but look at the overall year he had.
Like every year, count on a 20% change in the Yankee roster.
To begin with, Bruney, Molina, and Hinske are on the bubble.
What develops with any trades or free agent signings is yet to be determined.
Girardi and Cashman won’t waste any time with the GM meetings around the corner and Cashman opening dialogue with other GM’s for the winter meetings in December.
As always, Cashman never tips his hand what moves he has in mind.
Any chance we can pull another Betemit for Swisher trade? Like say, Brian Bruney for Andrew Bailey?
“If Mariano’s even better than we thought, to me that means not only can he pitch brilliantly, he could do it while juggling flaming torches and wrestling alligators with the non-pitching hand.”
In 2003 postseason, Mariano had a postseason FIP of 1.28 and a WAR of 0.886.
For a reliever to have a WAR that high in the innings he’s pitched, that’s like a batter hitting .500. Like, insanely good.
It translates to a full season WAR of 3.86.
For comparison’s sake, remember how good Mo was in his historically good regular season of 2008? That netted him a WAR of 3.1.
Fran (the original) and OPPC member
November 8th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Erica,
What are you doing with all of your spare time now that there is no more GTLU to host?
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Hahahaha. It hasn’t really hit me yet. I’ll start to feel it most when I’m at work and 2:30-3 rolls around and I don’t drop everything to play with Yankee line ups. LOL
The biggest mistake the Yankees could make this off season,is to dismantle this team.
Most teams have a fire sale much to their demise.Tweak a couple things i.e. pitching need a strong #2 and #5. Will Joba and Phil stay in the pen? Who will set up Mariano(I like Robertson?)
Catching,Cashman has an AJ/Posada problem.Could Cerevelli who was there the 1st two rounds of postseason be the back up answer?
Erin
November 8th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Erica – always OPPC
November 8th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Erin-
Wherever you are, check out the google doodle of the day.
Not to say “I told you so” or anything…. but
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LOL Erica. You were right! As soon as you said Elmo yesterday I somehow knew it would be him.
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I am not a witch I swear. I was hoping it would be the Count but somehow I knew it would be Elmo
What’s all this trade Cano talk? No way! He’s actually a home grown product that has the potential of being the best 2nd baseman in the AL consistantly….I think Matsui and Damon both need to go
St Louis Cardinals will be LAUGHING their butts off if Ankiel makes it anywhere near the NY Yankees.They wanted him gone before the All Stark break.He’s a pet of La Russas’
“List of 2009 NYY salaries. CC due 23M next year.
From what I’ve read, Cashman was asked by Hal to lower the 2010 payroll after agreeing to take on Teixeira. Having no idea what was generated by the new stadium and winning the WS, it remains to be seen what the 2010 payroll will look like.”
Even though CC received 14M this season, he also received a 9M signing bonus that went towards this year’s payroll so in effect, CC is making the same money next season he made in 2009 which is 23M.
As far as lowering the payroll for 2010. Where has that been stated? I can see the Yankees trying to get below the magic 200M mark, but this team will easily be at 190M next year.
Let’s remember they have the following coming off the 2010 books:
Giambi’s 5M buyout
Damon’s 13M (Chance to reduce to 9M for 2010)
Matsui’s 13M (Another chance to reduce to 9M for 2010)
Pettite earned 9.5M (Probaby will earn about 11-12M in 2010)
Tex earned 20M plus another 5M in 2009 (20M in 2010)
Nady earned 6.55M in 2009
Wang earned 5M in 2009
Molina earned 2M in 2009
The following players will get a salary bump from 2009 to 2010:
Jeter 1M
Swisher 1.45M
Cano 3M
Marte 250K
Melky (2009/1.4M 2010/???)
The following 2009 contracts are expiring:
Hinske 1.5M
Hairston 2M
The following have 2010 options the Yankees have to decide on:
Bruney 1.25M
Gaudin 2M
Mitre 1.25M
The following players will likely get some kind of bump in 2010 salary:
Joba
Hughes
Gardner
Robertson
Aceves
Coke
IMO, if the Yankees don’t get any other players besides the ones on their current roster and some of those with expiring 2009 contracts, the Yankees payroll can be around 190M or so. Cashman has a lot of decisions to be made within whatever payroll budget he’s given, but the Yankees probably made money this year even if you don’t count the YES money.
hawaii says hello
You are correct on Ankiel.My family and friends that are Cards fans were pulling their hair out with his lackluster at bats.
Erica-maybe we can hold out hope for the Count tomorrow. I’m really going to hate when they stop doing Sesame Street characters!
Yanks have a lot of tough off season decisions to make. Here is my take:
1. Pettite: Decision on a return rests with Andy. If he wants to pitch next year and not retire, then he is back. I would think he gets a 1 + 1 (2nd year has buyout option if Yanks do not want him back in 2011).
2. Damon & Matsui: Conventional thinking is that Yanks pick 1 of the 2 to resign. I felt that was the likely case but Yanks may opt to bring them both back even though they have problem of finding more DH time for Damon and Posada. Unless they can replace one of two with a quality bat and more athelticism then it is possible both return. Damon for 2 years and MAtsui with a 1 + 1. This is a gamble as Yanks really need to find an athletic outfielder and have to have more flexiblity on DH options.
It would be helpful if MAts could play a little outfield next year – perhaps in RF. Then you could rotate your DH among Posada, Damon and Mats.
Free Agent Signings/Trades:
1. Figgins in CF, with Melky to LF if Damon is not resigned. Figgins gives Yanks fexibility in that he can play infield as well. HE would give Yanks another switch hitter with speed. Could be an ideal #2 hitter in line up if Damon is gone.
If you want to stretch possibilities — Figgins can go to 2nd base with Cano being packaged in deal for front line starter and prospects. I am not a fan of trading Cano but in the right deal anything is possible.
I think Yanks have more interest in Figgins than Bay or Matt Holliday.
Other moves:
Say goodbye to Molina, Hinske, and possibly Hairston (definintely gone if Figgins is signed). Say hello to Cervellli and Pena. Gardner’s status is contingent on what happenns with other moves. Melky may have put permanent claim on OF. Gardner’s status is impacted if Figgins is signed.
Swisher does not have a lock on RF. Cheap option is Nady if healthy. Yanks could make move in trade for a better RF option who can hit for higher average and be better defensive outfielder. Swisher either becomes swing man in OF and back up 1B or is part of pacakge for other parts that Yanks want. Downside is that Swisher is a good clubhouse guy that helped with chemistry.
Wang is non-tendered but resigned to cheaper contract. I do not think the Yanks will let him get away. He is a gamble but is an insurance policy if he can recover from two years of injuries.
Joba moves to pen. Hughes goes to rotation. Yanks make move for another bp arm to help out in late innings. Yanks look at options for an insurance policy in event that Mo is injured or needs reduced work load.
Ajax stays in AAA to start. Yanks want him to get another year of seasoning.
Starting Rotation:
CC
Burnett
????? (do not discount trade for front line pitcher of signing of a guy like Lackey. Pitching is where its at!)
Pettite if nhe wants to return.
Hughes
Insurance policy: Wang, Gaudin, Aceves, Kennedy, and youngsters in AA/AAA.
Pen Options: Mo, Joba, Robertson, Marte/Coke, Aceves, Gaudin and one other arm (preferably someone who can be setup option or emergency closer). Bruney could be casualty unless he can reclaim command. MElancon needs to show that he belongs. He did not impress in short stint this season.
I’m hoping that Cashman is smart enough to stay away from Figgins. IMO, he’s overrated by a lot of Yankee fans.
Steve
November 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
1. Pettite: Decision on a return rests with Andy. If he wants to pitch next year and not retire, then he is back. I would think he gets a 1 + 1 (2nd year has buyout option if Yanks do not want him back in 2011).
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I think Andy comes back.. On Letterman, he was saying that he knows the end is coming but kind of implied he’d like to pitch one more year.
Top moment of the Year:
Charlie Manuel’s faux pas nit using Lee for game 6,could’ve made a game 7 possibility.
Not Walking Matsui.
Dang it. The off-season minor case of depression has set in. I really can’t believe there’s not game tonight. Ugh.
Repeat in 2010!
PS- I agree Andy Will come back, Erin…
I agree Figgins is overrated, crawdaddy
Why are people talking about Sabathia’s workload ?
The guy is one of the best pitchers in the game and one of the strongest. Guys like Roger Clemens had bigger workloads then CC.
And the Yankees need another starter. Wang is not reliable and Burnett needs to be pushed down to the #3 slot in the rotation. I think Cashman understands this especially after this year.
Andy said on Letterman that he was getting close to shutting it down.He didn’t say he wasn’t coming back.
Yankees bargained him low with incentives last year.
His second start on short rest,positioned the Yankees to win game 6.
He left before(going to Houston) because they dragged their feet on money/contract.
PAY HIM he has the most postseason wins.
Nady is not an option at all. I mean come on – he’s on his 2nd TJ surgery. IMO, Swish is absolutely a lock in RF.
I want Hairston back and I’d like Hinske as well……
Joba to the pen is not happening…….
Top moments of the year-
The week of walk-offs back in May- that’s where Pie Man began his work…lol
The 4 game sweep of the Sox…that’s when I knew this team was “IT”.
The overall domination by the team post All-Star break…
CC’s 2nd half domination…
The entire postseason. ALL OF IT.
Anyone watching MLB? They showed game 2 ALDS and by now I think they’re on game 2 ALCS…………later, they will air game 4 WS and at 9pm tonight, there is a 2 hour special on the Yankees’ path to the WS
Betsy- I don’t know what they’ll do with Joba, but I do hope he winds up in the pen and stays there, this is becoming ridiculous.
vey
November 8th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Andy said on Letterman that he was getting close to shutting it down.He didn’t say he wasn’t coming back.
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Right. I worded what I said a little funny. Agree with your post though-if he wants to come back (which I think he does) you’ve got to bring him back.
“The 4 game sweep of the Sox…that’s when I knew this team was “IT”.”
Can I ask what you thought, then, after Boston Massacre II. That was on the road too. IMO, more impressive. IIRC, Cory Lidle shut them down to the tune of 1 run in the final game.
If we could trade Joba for Josh Johnson, or with others in a deal to get Felix, how many of you would agree with that?
CC, that’s not happening……and what’s ridiculous? The kid is a starter. He will be in the rotation all year next year unless he really struggles, after which he’ll be sent down – I don’t expect to ever see him in the pen again.
Yankee fans for years bemoaned our lack of young pitching. Now, when we have two potential studs, we refuse to be patient with them (showing that Yankee fans really don’t want to develop youngsters). I would laugh if it weren’t so frustrating.
CR9- That was impressive…but somehow my gut told me that while that team was better than the Red Sox (2006 team), but it had flaws…it had holes…
This team I knew back in February was gonna be amazing if everyone could just get it together…and I saw it in that 4 game sweep, I saw them put it together…something just felt right, I know, BS explanation but the pitching of CC, AJ, and Andy seemed too promising and the bullpen and defense looked too good for this team to be a fluke.
Betsy- If Joba can do what needs to be done in the rotation, I have no issues with him staying there. I’m saying it’s getting ridiculous because his future is so up in the air.
The best quality this team had was it’s downright refusal to lose. Even in games that were blowouts, the Yankees fought tooth and nail – they used every out they were given. I think game 5 of the WS epitomizes this. The Yanks were already up 3-1 in the series and were guaranteed to go home at 1 up. They were on the road in a tough park to play in, against the defending champs. Instead of just sitting back and saying, ok we’ve done our part by taking 2/3 in Philly, they did their level best to take 3/3. That is the kind of spirit this team showed all year and I see no reason why they won’t do the same next year.
“AJ did give up 6 runs.Yankees got back in the game,thanks in part to Damon’s double steal and Alex.”
Damon’s double steal wasn’t in game 5.
Yeah, game 5 of the ALCS was similar to that too…Game 5 of the ALCS really killed me though lol, but man they fight with all the will power they have in their little hearts. They never gave up in ANY game…
I love this team.
Enjoy 27….think 28!
i dont see cano going anywhere but dont think it is impossible because it isnt
if we get blown away with a pitcher/of/if combo combined with some of our prospects it could happen but cano is the least of our worries
we need a solid # 2 pitcher to slide between cc & burnett
right now we have cc & burnett as guaranteed pitchers wich leaves us 2 pitchers short
you need 3 solid pitchers & a decent 4th one wich leaves us a solid pitcher short & a decent 4th starter
the stronger the # 4 pitcher is the better. that is why i would like to see pettitte slide to 4 & burnett # 3 with a stronger # 2 pitcher & let the kids battle for # 5
now if we have 3 stud pitchers i think we can gamble on our 4th & 5th spots
all it takes is the rs to add halladay or the phillies & look out
i would rather us beat them to the punch & keep our focus on pitching
no way cashman lets all the kids fight for 3 spots
even if pettitte returns we should get a solid # 2 starter
let the kids battle for 1 spot.
bring damon,matsui & pettitte back for 1 year deals for a total of 27 million wich is 9 million each
if not let them go
i would not give them 2 years unless the yerly money drops
2 yrs 14-16 million then i wouldnt mind
if matsui comes back we need 1 o.f. & should sign or trade for a solid # 2 pitcher
a nice package for king felix
what would it take
what are the chances all 3 are great or even 1 or 2 of them
lackey will want 4 years 15 million minimum.
Bullpen Next Year
Mo
Robertson
Marte
Melancon
Dunn
Coke
Kennedy/Aceves
meant to say if we trade joba,hughes,montero for king felix
what are the chances all 3 are great or even 1 or 2 of them
king felix is light years better than joba now
Hey guys. I added some pics my friend took from the Yankees parade on my blog. They came out pretty good actually. Posada’s daughter Paulina is so freakin cute!
joba,ajax,montero
or hughes,ajax,montero
not both joba & hughes
I’m perfectly fine with AJ as our #2. He had a bad month of August, but up until then he was pitching to the tune of a 3.68 ERA. People may not like how he got there, but he got there. He also saved our bacons early in the season when CC was struggling……but again, people forget that. We don’t need a #2 starter IMO and I don’t think Cash is going to go there.
Are we underestimating the value Ian Kennedy may provide to this team in 2010?
Not sure what his innings limit is, or whether he’d start in AAA, but I can see value with him starting in a bullpen role, similiar to Ace.
Ian is a good pitcher. Next year we may see whether he’s good above the AAAA level.
I like Matsui but I think the yankees should let him go.I would keep Damon and let him play LF with Nady.
Nady or Damon could DH and with Matsui’s money you try to get a good pitcher(Lackey??)
SS jeter,DH damon,1B texiera,3B arod,C posada,LF nady,2B cano,RF swisher,CF melky
sabathia
burnett
lackey
pettite
joba
Big Six, we’ll see if Ian can be a good pitcher on the MLB level. I expect him to start the season in AAA and be the first call up (assuming he’s pitching well) should someone get hurt.
Why would anyone consider Nady as an outfield option with his elbow history?????
I don’t know if it was discussed already but Klapish made a good point in today article.
“CHAMBERLAIN’S WORK ETHIC: The fact that Joba guzzled champagne in the postgame clubhouse should’ve been a red flag. So, too, are reports that he shared a $30,000 9-liter bottle of Salmanazar champagne with Jorge Posada during the Yankees’ after-hours party in a Manhattan nightclub.
For all his talent, Chamberlain still is an immature 24-year-old with one DUI arrest on his record. With a history of substance abuse in his family, he would be wise to lay off the booze for the rest of his life.
Chamberlain’s performance in the postseason was equally uninspiring, as Girardi skipped over him in Games 2 and 5 of the World Series. Joba still throws hard out of the bullpen when he’s able to max out on his fastball, but his blow-away factor is nowhere close to what it was in 2007.
Chamberlain’s WHIP (walks plus hits per innings pitched) has doubled in two years, from 0.750 to 1.544.
It’s true, the Yankees micromanaged Chamberlain out of a productive season, and he’ll be better off with the Joba Rules in 2010. But Cashman needs to decide where Chamberlain will be in three years, not just on opening day. The signs of struggle already are there.”
http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....amp;page=2
He is right the Yankees need to address this issue with him.
The Free Agency crop is very poor this year, or at least for the money that will be commanded by the top free agents.
I would try to make trades this offseason. Although most likely impossible, I would attempt to use our strong farm system along with Phil and Joba to get both Josh Johnson and Felix Hernandez.
Imagine a rotation of CC AJ Andy JJ FH, and a spot starter of Gaudin, and maybe sign a fifth starter type for cheap like Garland.
Obviously a dream, but I can always dream.
The Yankees are too attached to Joba and/or Phil to get rid of them.
Roger…
Nady is done for most of next year… FYI.. He had Tommy John Surgery which is really a 12 – 18 month recovery….. Best case scenario is he is back by August 1. Yanks will prob non tender him… much like they will do with Wang..
I like your thinking on Lackey… but i just dont see it happening… The angels need him back to much and wont let him go…. Look for Joba and Hughes to both be in the rotation.. Yanks have a lot of young arms in spades that can take over the 7th and 8th…. Look for B Cash and Co to build from within big time this offseason
What’s Bob talking about ? The Yankees know where Joba will be in 3 years and that’s a SP. I do hope the Yankees don’t futz around with Phil like they did with Joba this year.
So, what is the best way to handle Phil next year?
1. Start him in the majors, then move him to the pen to reduce his workload
2. Start him in the pen in the majors, then stretch him out and insert him into the rotation
3. Start him in AAA, then call him back up and put him in the rotation
Frankly, I hate numbers 1 and 2. Number one means that Phil would have to be stretched out again for the post-season (or stay in the pen) and that makes no sense.
Number two means he can’t work on all his pitches, specifically developing his change, as he wouldn’t need them all in the pen.
The only option I like is #3 – maybe Gaudin can hold Phil’s spot in the rotation until the time is right for him to reemerge from AAA.
What are the Yankees likely to do?
bodhisattva
I just went back and saw that this article was discussed. I normally don’t agree with Klapish. In fact I hate him. But he does have a point. Joba was already arrested for DUI. It is something that needs to be addressed. He has a family history of substance abuse. What is he doing ordering a 30,000 grand bottle of alcohol?
bodhisattva
I just went back and saw that this article was discussed. I normally don’t agree with Klapish. In fact I hate him. But he does have a point. Joba was already arrested for DUI. It is something that needs to be addressed. He has a family history of substance abuse. What is he doing ordering a 30,000 grand bottle of alcohol? Plus he was hammered at the celebration.
bigsix
why not??Because of his injury..he’s not the first player who had that injury and came back
Again, so much for Yankee fans having patience to develop young pitchers…..
Betsy- next year Phil will probably be at around 160 innings. The Yankees probably should send him to winter ball to get some innings, but they likely won’t. We will go through the same thing with Phil next year.
Has Swicher earned the RF spot?
With what we’re paying him I assume so.
My guess is we off Damon 1 year at 8 base with incentives up to 12.
Then we sign or trade for another starter.
Zach McCallister could be a tradable commodity to a NL partner.
Can someone go over here and tell me im not seeing things?
http://www.baseball-reference......ders.shtml
look over at Joe Mauer
That’s why Phil needs to start the season in AAA…..OR, they could just skip some starts. That might be the best way. Either way, I’m looking foreawrd to seeing Phil in the rotation again; he’s going to be a stud.
they said theres no innings cap on Phil because they judge by career number of IP than just the last season
Sorry for the spelling issues – typing from an iPhone.
Josh Johnson is going nowhere.
Neither is King Felix. Not this winter.
Lower your expectations for trade options this winter.
@ ADam
thats for pitchers. Position players dont need that much time. I believe its actually around 8 months.
Mike – that’s some typo!
Hey all! I just did a skim of the last day’s posts. I’m finding it hard to post because I’ve finding it hard to deal with the abrupt end to this glorious season. I don’t want to talk about the possibility of players not coming back. I’m like Betsy in that I grow very attached to the team as it is and the thought of players not being around next year depresses me more than I am already depressed about the abrupt ending to this glorious season…
Bod, I read your post about you crying the night of the world series and all of the components that went into it, and naturally it made me cry – especially the part about your dad. Although we disagree about who should catch AJ, we are definitely bonded at the soul level.
It has to be nothing but normal to go from the continual high we’ve been on to the void we are dealing with right now and have it almost overtake our existence. I haven’t deal with this feeling in a while, probably because this is our first world series win in a while. Anyway, I’m hating the lack of Yankee baseball, and believe me, hot stove is not going to make me feel much better. This is the team that got us there. Why fix what ain’t broken. That’s my simplistic view of the way the 2010 team should be comprised. I realize that it isn’t quite that simple.
Anyway, thanks for letting me share. I don’t know if proximity to the City makes it easier for folks to deal with. Somehow I don’t think so.
Mike from queens-
Wishful thinking?
I read somewhere earlier this season that the Yankees go on “historical” highes when it comes to innings limits for their young pitchers.
LOL for a minute there, yes.
I think the Yankees should stick with the formula that helped us win this year . Grabbing the best pitching on the market
I would love to see Lackey. CC. AJ Pettite Lackey
Wow.
Joba isn’t going to the pen anytime soon. The organization didn’t go through that much trouble keeping his innings around 160 IP this season (for the sole purpose of getting him 200 IP next season) just the abort the long term plans for him at the drop of a hat.
Joba’s struggles go far beyond his role. He struggled in the pen in the postseason, too.
Stop the Joba debate. He’s not going back to the pen next season.
I’ll also never understand the fascination with Chone Figgins. It seems Yankee fans have overrated the guy to absurd levels based on his past success against them.
Figgins is not coming to NY. Don’t see Cashman being all that interested in him.
I love the idea of getting to watch Joba and Phil grow and improve next year… Lets focus on the development of our young guns than going out and wasting resources on older guys… Not worth it in the long run… IE why you did not see cash pull the trigger on johan…. which would have been a huge mistake….
Really? No limit for Phil.
Yeah, I could of sworn Michael Kay said that at least once when Hughes was pitching lol.
Nice compilation of best moments but now that I think about it I am surprised nobody mentioned Matsui’s HR in game 6 to put us up 2-0. This is when I started thinking this is it. 9 years of frustration down the tubes. His 6 RBI’s are akin to Reggie’s feat in ‘77.
While Alex hit dramatic bombs all year and postseason, off the camera and on his 1st and last pitch, the granny to reach 30/100…spectacular, Matsui put us over the top.
Without him in game 6, we face a game 7 and who knows?
Betsy
the idea is to get the best 1-3 or 4 starters you can
if we can get a josh johnson/king felix we are much better minus joba
not even close
the chance joba will come close to either of them is very slim
it is possible but we have 3 spots open & cashman will not let the kids have ll 3 spots.
not happening
if pettitte comes back who knows but why not strengthen the pitching wich will allow for a lesser offense if our offense stumbles at any point
any time you can get a solid pitcher you do so
joba didnt help us at all down the stretch & during any of the 3 series.
so add josh johnson or king felix & we are much better
i would trade joba with a few prospects & get the best pitcher i can get
you put josh johnson or king felix with cc & burnett & we will win # 28 next year
Yanks Free Agents
Damon, Johnny OF NYY – 2 Yr 16 M
Hairston Jr, Jerry 2B/3B/SS/OF NYY – Arbitration
Hinske, Eric 1B/OF NYY – Let Go
Matsui, Hideki OF NYY 1 Yr 6-8 mill
Molina, Jose C NYY – Let Go
Nady, Xavier OF NYY – Let Go
Pettitte, Andy SP NYY – Hopefully Comes Back for 1 Yr deal.. similar to this year
Trisha,
If it helps any, Brian Cashman is a very integral part of the Yankees and be did his jobs quite well last year putting the pieces of the 2009 world champs together. As one Yankee season morphs into another this his where we root for Cashman to shine.
Im still not sold on the Joba/Hughes SP experiments. I’d trade both of them for Felix without hesitation.
The more I think about Matsui the more I realize how great he is.
To cut him loose after his performance in the Series would be sacrilegious. Something akin to what the red sox have done thru the years to guys like Boggs, Damon, Clemens etc…
In my mind it is bad karma as well as a very difficult bat to replace. I realize the economic side of it and I think that’s what it comes down to. If he settles for 1 year and less money they will bring him back. I do not believe the hooha that they need a place to rest Damon and Posada in the DH hole. They pretty much had that this year and it worked out ok. Keep Matsui, one year at a time, he is a specialist, like Andy, one year at a time. Not after what he did for us.
Why trade Joba or Hughes !.. when you can just sign Lackey!.. We don’t need an ace. we have CC. Lackey gives us a Strong number 3 or 4..
Why get a strong 3 or 4 when you can get a #1 for guys who currently were nothing more than bullpen arms?
“Sir Alex Ferguson claimed referee Martin Atkinson’s decisions which led to Chelsea’s winning goal at Stamford Bridge on Sunday were the kind which lead managers and players to “lose faith in refereeing”.” FROM ESPN
Sir Alex is one of the greatest managers in the world. I wish managers and coaches over here would complain about referees/umpires like they do over there in Europe.
A couple weeks ago, Sir Alex complained about the weight and fitness of a referee, because the fat tub of lard waddled his way down the field, and because of his slow waddling speed, was out of position and missed a key call on a goal.
Is there any way to start a petition, or an organized gathering to try and do away with referees/umpires?
Corey-
Because you need a bullpen. Our season really came together (besides Arod coming back ) when Phil Hughes closed down the 8th inning.
If you can land Lackey. We will be locked and ready to go.
However — IF it meant trading just one .. (keyword – one ) of either Joba or Phil Hughes for an Ace. i’d strongly consider the deal.
CR9
In football it’s normal.But i don’t wanne talk football today.Today wasn’t a good day to be a Ajax fan…
If you can trade ONE of Joba or Phil (and eliminate the uncertainty of future success, innings counts, problems with workout regime as with Joba) for an established Ace, who can benefit you for years to come, then you have to do it.
Josh Johnson will cost the Marlins quite a bit in arbitration. Joba for Josh Johnson and maybe we can take a bad contract off their hands (within reason and with the hope of the guy turning it around with us, i.e. Mike Lowell to the Sox).
Sorry Mike, but I’d trade Joba & Hughes for Felix before I signed Lackey and NEVER think twice. Pitchers have shorter lifespans in general than position players. Felix is 23 years old….23! and is a much better pitcher than Lackey. Probably better than either joba or hughes will ever be as starters in their careers as well. You can always fill bullpen holes in free agency.
Since when could we get both both Josh Johnson and Felix Hernandez for Joba and Hughes? You’re not being serious, are you?
Well, after looking at the Marlins roster, they really do not have any bad contracts.
If we, as fans at home, think King Felix is better than both Joba and Hughes will ever be (and I’m not so sure of that), why would Seattle even make that trade? It’s a ridiculous trade.
Is anyone slightly bothered by a $30,000 dollar bottle of champagne? I know there are bigger problems in the world and I assume Posada paid for it but still, come on. These athletes are spoiled rotten brats and us regular folks idolizing them only feeds their egos. $30,000 ?!?
If we, as fans at home, think King Felix is better than both Joba and Hughes will ever be (and I’m not so sure of that), why would Seattle even make that trade? It’s a ridiculous trade.
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Because it wouldnt be just Joba & Hughes for Felix. You gotta add atleast 2 more players.
If we, as fans at home, think King Felix is better than both Joba and Hughes will ever be (and I’m not so sure of that), why would Seattle even make that trade? It’s a ridiculous trade.
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Because it wouldnt be just Joba & Hughes for Felix. You gotta add atleast 2 more players.
Wait, You’re telling me Montero, Hughes, Ajax, or a couple others could not get Felix?
Maybe not, but only because it would be the Yankees offering it.
If the Red Sox offer Bard or Buchholz, Bowden, Casey Kelly, Lars Anderson for Felix, Reddick, Felix is theirs.
Corey
November 8th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Why get a strong 3 or 4 when you can get a #1 for guys who currently were nothing more than bullpen arms?
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bingo
jg used hughes,joba as little as possible in the end
starter to marte to mo
any time you can get a better pitcher you do so
joba/hughes or josh johnson/king felix ?
bye bye joba or hughes in a second
the only issue is how many other prospects it takes & who
we are downright scary with josh johnson or king felix in our rotation next year minus joba & or hughes & ajax,montero & others didnt win us 1 game this year
Because we are “fans” with no inside information. Seattle has professional scouts that know a lot more about Joba and what his problems might be and know a lot more about Phil than us “fans” could ever know.
Corey November 8th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Sorry Mike, but I’d trade Joba & Hughes for Felix before I signed Lackey and NEVER think twice. Pitchers have shorter lifespans in general than position players. Felix is 23 years old….23! and is a much better pitcher than Lackey. Probably better than either joba or hughes will ever be as starters in their careers as well. You can always fill bullpen holes in free agency.
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Well, YOU might make that deal….
Luckily, Jackie Z never would;:-)
In my 3:36 post, it should be and a couple others.
And Reddick from the Red Sox farm as well for Felix, Felix is theirs.
CompassRosy
Do not be so sure what Jack will take for Felix. If the Red Sox come a callin with a bag of 24 karat gold plated bats or Ted Williams frozen head, that might be enough to persuade him to give up Felix.
bru. .thats not entirely not true. Hughes didn’t win us any games per say .. But he did hold down the almighty 8th inning to get to Mo. Don’t under-estimate the eighth inning hold.
Joba’s trade value is down right now. The Yanks would have to empty the farm to get King Felix, including Montero, Jackson, and several others.
Neither Cashman nor Theo are going to do that. The reports of Theo offering the world for King felix at the ASB were baloney. Theo doesn’t do that.
“Why get a strong 3 or 4 when you can get a #1 for guys who currently were nothing more than bullpen arms?”
Or why not just wait until Felix is a 26-year old FA? No need to give away prospects.
No, they wouldn’t make that deal for the Red Sox either.
King Felix will need more than prospects; he will need a player who is great, or at least really good, now as well as good prospects. Both the Sox and the Yankees would need to be willing to give that up if they want Felix;it would take a guy like Cano from the Yankees as well as one of Hughes or Joba and prospects like Montero and Romine. I don’t even want to do that to get Felix.
The Red Sox would need to give up a guy like Pedroia or maybe Ellsbury as well as Buccholz, Bowden, and probably more. I don’t think the Sox would do that either.
Forget Felix, IMO.
KF, the definitely helps, even if by inches.
I haven’t bothered reading any posts dealing with trades, FA, etc., and that’s the way I generally like it, especially after the Yankees winning the WS. Last year I certainly understood the need for starting pitching and so was happy the Yankees were in that sweepstakes. This year I wouldn’t be bothered a bit if the Yankees showed up with the same starting team as it did this year, so I will just sit back and wait. I do trust Cashman to be conservative as opposed to going crazy, and he has shown to be very trustworthy when it comes to protecting our young promising players like Joba and Phil. I am wise enough to know that isn’t going to change.
Happy to see that you are still here.
I will check in from time to time, but definitely not to advocate for changing the team around. I will likely duck those threads.
We could take Carlos Silva off the Mariners’ hands. He costs $25 million over the next 2 years (that includes his $2 million buyout for 2012)
The Yanks just won the WS and people are worried about what the Red Sox are going to do this offseason.
Unreal.
Why don’t people enjoy the celebration and give it a rest? The Yanks can beat the Red Sox no matter what Theo does this offseason.
The Yanks just won the WS and people are worried about what the Red Sox are going to do this offseason.
Unreal.
Why don’t people enjoy the celebration and give it a rest? The Yanks can beat the Red Sox no matter what Theo does this offseason.
I am definitely in the Girardi/Arod camp in terms of wishing there were a way to keep it going and not having to deal with such an abrupt stop.
You know, if you think about it, Joe G has some resume. He’s only been around like what, 6, 7 years, and he already has a MOY award and a WS.
Giuseppe
It is just a discussion. Nobody is worried. Just a look toward the future. The future does have some question marks with Joba and Phil and innings limits and attitude problems.
Wait
You are probably right, but taking on Carlos Silva could lessen the price to a Phil Hughes, Montero, Jackson, and a couple others.
You have to believe that this board is infested with some people that had their heads beat in with baseball bats. They want to dump players like Cano, Chamberlain, Hughes, Coke…players that they think are either lacking drive, talent, desire, etc., but, only want to of the line talent…experienced talent at that. If these players are such bums, how in Hell will they bring back a Felix Hernandez or josh Johnson…two pitchers whose teams have no reason to trade in the first place?
And one thing is certain, Brian Cashman is definitely looking to improve upon our team by any means that he considers to be worth it, and will not be content with the 2009 WS.
If you’re Seattle you don’t give him away unless you get EXACTLY what you want, even if we’ll take Silva.
Also, even if we take Silva the change in the trade plan would probably be not having to get rid of some of the more minor prospects we like. Cano, Hughes, and probably Montero would still have to go, IMO. I don’t want to do that.
but, only want ***top*** of the line talent
http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypos.....15;380.jpg
Swisher and Damon look like they could be brothers in this picture. They both have a muppety-mouth appearance!
What attitude problems do the Yankees have?
Yankee Trader:
Nothing against A-Rod but he is a big part of the salary problem at $33,000,000. As great as he is, he is not worth that much. I can’t think of a player who is.
CR9,
Every team has question marks.
And Joba no longer has an innings cap. He’s good to go for 190 – 200 IP.
“You have to believe that this board is infested with some people that had their heads beat in with baseball bats. ”
How did a civilized discussion turn into that?
Nobody called Joba or Phil a bum, or lacking drive.
What it comes down to is THEORIZING trading “potential” like Joba and Phil for an “established” ace.
Luckily, GMs do not think players like Joba or Phil are “bums”
CR9 November 8th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
CompassRosy
Do not be so sure what Jack will take for Felix. If the Red Sox come a callin with a bag of 24 karat gold plated bats or Ted Williams frozen head, that might be enough to persuade him to give up Felix.
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I didn’t say that Jack wouldn’t deal him at all, just that he wouldn’t make the deal referred to. Of course I don’t know for sure – but seems to me it would take a super sweet deal to even make Jack think twice.
Hopefully, this is all moot, as I referred to here…
http://compassrosy.blogspot.co.....feilx.html
Giuseppe
The innings limit was in regards to Phil.
Wait
The “attitude problems” was in regards to Joba. And that is not my opinion. I do not believe that for one minute. It is much of what I read about Joba on here and from columnists.
Franco,
Of course every team has question marks. But as fans of the Yankees, we’re discussing their future. And we’re not going to say “Well let’s see, Closer is rosy and we probably won’t have to worry about 1b in awhile”. That adds nothing productive.
Joba has neither said or done anything at all to make me think he has attitude problems. Nothing.
Sis, unless your Ms don’t care about winning there would be no reason for them to do anything with King Felix other than worship at his throne.
CR9
November 8th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
“You have to believe that this board is infested with some people that had their heads beat in with baseball bats. ”
How did a civilized discussion turn into that?
Nobody called Joba or Phil a bum, or lacking drive.
What it comes down to is THEORIZING trading “potential” like Joba and Phil for an “established” ace.
Luckily, GMs do not think players like Joba or Phil are “bums”
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Civilzed, maybe. Intelligent….not a chance.
I also said nothing “uncivilized”.
Was A-Rod worth $33M this October?
I’d say so when you consider he carried them through both the ALDS and ALCS and got two of the biggest hits in the WS (2-run dinger and the 9th inning double).
This team doesn’t win their 27th ring without him so one could debate whether that those extra millions were worth getting that coveted ring.
I agree with Franco about A-Rod.
2 MVPS and a ring are worth the cash in my view.
Yeah I guess I’m with GF. I think I will continue to enjoy what the Yanks achieved this year and not worry about what happens next season – certainly not worry about what other teams are doing. They don’t pay me enough to do either, and I have to say in all honesty theYankees haven’t checked with me ever and have seemed to do a very good job despite that…
The only thing forum hot stove does is burn my hand. I’ll leave that to the rest of you who enjoy the process.
I believe that line I quoted of yours was “uncivilized.”
“Intelligent….not a chance.”
Yet somehow it was intelligent to read the reports at the trade deadline of Theo offering several players for Felix at the deadline and it actually getting consideration.
I understand that you are one of those fans that is completely obsessed with homegrown talent. Other fans happen to be obsessed with winning, or being put in the best position to win. IF we could give up one of Joba or Phil and Montero, Ajax, and some others, that might get some consideration from the Mariners.
And like I said in one of my previous posts, all I am doing is dreaming about possibilities, no matter how slim they are.
trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! November 8th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Sis, unless your Ms don’t care about winning there would be no reason for them to do anything with King Felix other than worship at his throne.
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I wished you a Happy 27th in the previous thread, ECS (just in case you missed it)
Send me an email once the dust has settled from the celebrating … been too long.
xoxo
Mike
November 8th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
bru. .thats not entirely not true. Hughes didn’t win us any games per say .. But he did hold down the almighty 8th inning to get to Mo. Don’t under-estimate the eighth inning hold.
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he was a non factor in the end
he said so himself
i dont underestimate that role
the phillies could of won it all if they had 1 or 2 more starters with the pen they had
they did last year
starters are gold
if hughes & or joba become great fine but if i can get josh johnson or king felix with joba/hughes,ajax,montero i do it
we can find anybody to pitch the 8th like robertson or a free agent
a starter is worth his weight in gold especially if you trade for a more cost controlled 24 year old
all the rs have to do is add a lackey/halladay & a big bat & they jump ahead of us
becket
lester
halladay/lackey
dont underestimate starting pitching
ask the phillies
mick, i agree. we should re-sign matsui and not be like the red sox.
“starters are gold
if hughes & or joba become great fine but if i can get josh johnson or king felix with joba/hughes,ajax,montero i do it
we can find anybody to pitch the 8th like robertson or a free agent
a starter is worth his weight in gold especially if you trade for a more cost controlled 24 year old
all the rs have to do is add a lackey/halladay & a big bat & they jump ahead of us
becket
lester
halladay/lackey
dont underestimate starting pitching
ask the phillies”
Allow me to channel GreenBeret7…. Let’s see how I do.
GreenBeret7: That is just stupid. You had your head beat in with a baseball bat.
I agree bru.
Sis – I didn’t see it. I’ve been avoiding the threads pretty much since the WS. You know how I love to stay with the team that got you there. So I am really not interested in reading about who wants who traded away, let go, etc.
I am also definitely in the anticlimatic part of winning it all. It’s been such a whirlwind of a season, propelled into the postseason, and then the finality of the WS. I need to slow things down a bit for myself and let it all sink in without rushing away from it to think about 2010. I have often thought that we are rushed through our lives because we are always forced to live in the future, especially by retail. So when I feel that happening to me (now with posters who can’t wait to rearrange the team for 2010) I push back in my own way. So what I do is stay away from the threads for the most part.
Last year was different since the Ys didn’t even make the postseason. I saw the need to get better. This year we won it all. I’m not anxious to see everything rearranged “just because.” And I’ve always had a pretty good handle on the way the Yankees operate. They won’t get rid of the kids. That ain’t gonna happen. So I don’t see the need to go through the exercise of seeing what’s going on in the minds of posters. To what end?
I am willing to predict, though, that your Ms aren’t going to let King Felix go anywhere for love or money. I tend to go with things that make sense as opposed to things that people want but make no sense. Since I know Cashman won’t trade Hughes or Joba, I don’t have much to add to any thinking that even suggests that.
I will try to email you in the next day or so to play some catch up. I had a ton of things going on since I left my job so I was pretty much going all the time.
Talk to you soon.
XOX
i dont see only prospects getting king felix or jj
“The only thing is that Damon is definitely a better player than Nady.”
I wouldn’t say it’s definite. I’d take the younger Nady while keeping Sui at DH and maybe we get a couple picks for JD!?
CR9
November 8th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I believe that line I quoted of yours was “uncivilized.”
“Intelligent….not a chance.”
Yet somehow it was intelligent to read the reports at the trade deadline of Theo offering several players for Felix at the deadline and it actually getting consideration.
I understand that you are one of those fans that is completely obsessed with homegrown talent. Other fans happen to be obsessed with winning, or being put in the best position to win. IF we could give up one of Joba or Phil and Montero, Ajax, and some others, that might get some consideration from the Mariners.
And like I said in one of my previous posts, all I am doing is dreaming about possibilities, no matter how slim they are.
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I had forgotten what a deep thinker you are. It must have been all of your conspiracy theories.
one of the sweet things to me about this championship is the torre/manny thing. last year we heard all this “manny is the best right handed bat ever” stuff from torre, and it was as if he was saying his own old yankees team sucked and if he had only just had the red sox players he would have won a championship. so then he got manny and look what happened. i think it’s awesome.
One highlight that I don’t think was mentioned was Joba laying out to catch a pop bunt VS the Indians….awesome play!!!
Been out all afternoon and just caught up.
The Yankees are not making changes for the sake of making changes.
They will evaluate all the players they already have. They will weigh the talent, the salary and terms of contract against any player that may be available to them from the outside. the only way changes are made is if the Yankees gain talent, and do better in terms of salary/length of contract/flexibility.
I think there is a good chance that very few changes are made, if any, and a far as Damon & Matsui are concerned, the ball will be in their court. The Yankees will make them a each a fair offer to stay. And if they want to stay Yankees more than they want to make as much money as they can, or more than the need for a long term contract, they will stay. Holliday and Bay are not going to take short-term contracts and are going to cost more money than Damon or Matsui, probably.
Figgins? No way.
Anybody else recording the parade right now and planning to record that championship season show on MLB network later?
CR9
all it is is talk with me
it would probbly take a good player combined with prospects but my point is i think we should try to make our pitching staff better some way in anticipation of our opponents doing so
i know we just won it with
burnett
cc
pettitte but i dont like 2 spots being unknowns to the point where it almost was a problem
if we can sign a pitcher to get it done great but free agents will cost a ton in money & years
all i want to see is 3 great pitchers & a decent 4th
Any talk of trading Cano is absolutely mind-boggling to me.
How many solid-fielding, high avg & power stroke second-basemen do people think are coming the Yankees’ way anytime soon if Cano is gone?
Zero, that’s how many. We may not see a comparable 2B to Cano play for the Yanks in our lifetimes.
He gives the Yanks an instant advantage over nearly every team they play (apart from Chase Utley, and POSSIBLY Dustin Pedroia, there are no comps to Cano).
Just have to learn to ignore the trade Cano –
Girardi & Kim at the Giant Game today! Yay
– talk.
I know he had a tough year with RISP, but he did not bat zero in such situations. He’ll improve. Look at his overall year. He worked very hard. And when he did struggle at the plate a little he did not take it into the field, and I have not seen a more smooth player in the infield.
So, just gotta ignore it.
“all i want to see is 3 great pitchers & a decent 4th”
You and everybody else in the league…
Christina -
You got some fantastic pictures. Thanks for sharing. Johnny Damon’s older kids look a lot like him.
Doreen-loved your 4:26 and 4:34 posts. I tried to ignore the cries of “let’s trade Cano”-I ultimately had to step away from the computer.
bru
Same with me. Just talk. No need for others to turn a civilized discussion into childish remarks.
The only way I’m trading cano is if its for a dominant #1 starter like Felix. He’s top 5 at a postion where there isn’t a lot of depth in baseball and he’s going to get better. He’s alreadly drastically improved his defense. All he needs is a little more concentration and he’s the total package..
Wait till we do it all Over Again
November 8th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
“all i want to see is 3 great pitchers & a decent 4th”
You and everybody else in the league
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we are one great pitcher from it
if we got lee or halladay or lackey we would be set
we still might be set with cc,burnett & pettitte
cc
lee/halladay/lackey
burnett
pettitte
then let the kids fight for the 5th spot
“He gives the Yanks an instant advantage over nearly every team they play (apart from Chase Utley, and POSSIBLY Dustin Pedroia, there are no comps to Cano).”
aaron hill
Bru. While what you’re saying would be nice I can’t the phillies trading lee to the team they may be competing with for the next few years. Lackey is in decline and will be expensive and the blue jays are gonna want a fortune to deal halladayy within the Division.
I think they may pursue trades for younger pitchers such as Felix Johnson or Cain and see where that goes or take a flyer on a guy like sheets in addition to bringing pettite back.
Thanks Doreen. I am curious if Damon’s other daughter was there. I saw his youngest and his twins but I think he has another daughter as well.
Need to consider that Doc Haladay may have peaked, as well, as great as he is.
I’d still take Halladay any day, regardless if he has hit his “peak” or not. He will always be better than Burnett, who I still think is going to be a major headcase down the road.
You cant trade Cano. The yankees dont have any good 2nd base prospect that is major league ready. Cano is a great young hitter he just needs to improve his situational hitting and raise his obp a little and he will become one of the best players in baseball.
The yanks just spent 160 million on CC and 80 million on Burnett. I dont see them adding another big time starter.
Cashman isn’t going to empty the farm for anyone.
Haven’t we been paying attention the last few years since he’s taken control of this team?
Not a fan of signing Lackey at all but that’s much more likely to happen than unloading the farm for pitchers (King Felix and Halladay) who will be free agents a year from today.
Giuseppe – couldn’t agree with you more. If Cash wants a player, he’s shown he would rather wait a year for FA to come than have to both pay prospects and money. Just look at how he handled the Santana/Sabathia business.
On a side note, how are you doing?
Giuseppe Franco
November 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Cashman isn’t going to empty the farm for anyone.
Haven’t we been paying attention the last few years since he’s taken control of this team?
Not a fan of signing Lackey at all but that’s much more likely to happen than unloading the farm for pitchers (King Felix and Halladay) who will be free agents a year from today.
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I agree Cashman didn’t unload the farm for Santana and that is when they needed an ace. Now that they have a big time ace and a solid number 2 starter why would he trade the farm. I think they would only make a trade for a pitcher if Pettitte doesn’t come back. I think Chamberlain and Hughes will be the number 4 and 5 starters.
Cashman isn’t going to empty the farm for anyone.
“Haven’t we been paying attention the last few years since he’s taken control of this team?
Not a fan of signing Lackey at all but that’s much more likely to happen than unloading the farm for pitchers (King Felix and Halladay) who will be free agents a year from today.”"”
Thank You Guiseppe…. No one realizes this. And why are people calling Joba and Hughes starting an “experiment”?… They have been starters since little league… LOL
I could see Cashman getting Lackey. Because more money will be coming off the books down the line, the team needs more pitching, and the free agents for next year are better. The Yankees will be even stronger next year and the following year.
“Cashman isn’t going to empty the farm for anyone.”
Absolutely in agreement. We are too attached to our farm guys.
There are 2 extremes, being too attached, and there is dumping every prospect in trades. Cashman is the former, and the Yankees in the recent past have been accused of the latter.
There is a middle ground. I hope that if the opportunity arises to better our team via trade in which it does not “empty” the farm system, we do it.
People should not forget that Cervelli has or might have trade value.
While I like Robertson, do not want him traded, and know he will not be traded, there is one thing that should be remembered. Sometimes, it is better to sell high. Robertson, IMO, has great trade value with his K/9 and K/BB ratios. He could, potentially, be a closer for a team.
just a test
CR9
November 8th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
bru
Same with me. Just talk. No need for others to turn a civilized discussion into childish remarks.
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i like what gb adds to the blog but one thing i learned with him is that he is right & everybody else is wrong every single time
imo we need to strengthen the pitching every time we can
if you can get a good starter to fill the # 2 spot or 3 & put pettitte at # 4 that leaves only 1 spot for the kids to battle for
would you want
cc
halladay
burnett
pettitte
joba/hughes/kennedy
or
cc
burnett
pettitte
joba/???
hughes/???
point being you always try to better the pitching
the idea is to get as good as you can get & keep trying to stay ahead of the competition
do you think for 1 second that the rs are not going to add a great starter?
its a done deal
halladay,lackey,etc
you put one of them with becket & lester & add a big bat are you still going to be happy with our pitching
if they have
becket
halladay
lester
dice k & maybe clay?
we made that mistake in the past & allowed them to beat us in starting pitching while our payroll still climbed
i hope cashman is smart enough to not let that happen again
we have 2 starters now.
if pettitte signs we have 3
the 5th spot should be left for the kids to fight over
Too many moments to be sure. I’m seriously considering subscribing to SI just for the commemorative DVD with the bonus baseball.
pat,
I see your point about Donnie. But could it be that Torre wasn’t really ready to hang up his jacket? I mean, Torre loves baseball, he could go on and on forever.
As for Donnie, you have a point about whether or not he’s ready. But Girardi and Randolph got managerial jobs with little experience as well. Donnie could be like Norm Chow. Qualified, but doesn’t interview well.
Are you guys talking about Halladay? Halladay, Halladay, Halladay. Put him on a winning team, and the beast will be unleashed. I think he’s had it up to here (figurative chin) with Toronto especially after the trade deadline came and went.
I miss baseball already! Hopefully, something will come out of the meetings this week.
Cervelli is one thing. He’s a backup catcher to most teams in baseball. The only place that he starts are with teams that have nothing to trade in the first place. You don’t build a big trade centered on a middle relief pitcher. They are add-ons to bigger trades.
Hey…let’s trade Pena and Melancon to the Dodgers for Kemp and Ethier. NYY could add a million dollars to the deal to help pay alimony. Then, trade Swisher for Josh Johnson. Talk about deals…those are it.
“You don’t build a big trade centered on a middle relief pitcher.”
Did I say that? No
What I did say is that Robertson has very good trade value, and a lot of teams could use a decent backup catcher like Cervelli, so he is another nice piece that could be used in a trade.
Some teams may even view Robertson as their potential closer. I’d like to think, and probably would be correct, that Robertson is better than some of the other ML closers.
Did you guys talk about the Sox turning down Gonzalez’s option? Add a starting SS to their punchlist.
m
November 8th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Too many moments to be sure. I’m seriously considering subscribing to SI just for the commemorative DVD with the bonus baseball.
pat,
I see your point about Donnie. But could it be that Torre wasn’t really ready to hang up his jacket? I mean, Torre loves baseball, he could go on and on forever.
As for Donnie, you have a point about whether or not he’s ready. But Girardi and Randolph got managerial jobs with little experience as well. Donnie could be like Norm Chow. Qualified, but doesn’t interview well.
Are you guys talking about Halladay? Halladay, Halladay, Halladay. Put him on a winning team, and the beast will be unleashed. I think he’s had it up to here (figurative chin) with Toronto especially after the trade deadline came and went.
I miss baseball already! Hopefully, something will come out of the meetings this week.
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Mel, how are the Islanders dealing with losing the Hawaiian Winter Leagues? Was it lack of facilities or cost? I enjoyed listening to the radio broadcasts, though, they probably needed somebody better. Suzyn Waldman and John sterling come to mind.
we cant keep all our prospects
i am all for waiting but if you think cashman is going to hold onto everyone you are wrong
what are we going to do with 6 catchers,maybe more?
kennedy & joba will have a year to straighten it out before everybody loses patience
they will be pushing 25 years old
people think that every prospect will be great
boy are they going to be dissapointed
I could see the Sox going after Marco Scutaro.
Also, wasn’t Mark DeRosa traded for releif prospect Chris Perez? Granted, that is, most likely, the best one could get for a middle relief pitcher. But it’s something, right?
I’m not jumping on anyone, but just wanted to point out that most organizations have a David Robertson type in their system. Although, for the most part Robertson was under the radar because he was overshadowed by bigger names like Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Brackman etc. Robertson was a hidden gem that turned out to be quite valuable.
GB7,
I haven’t heard anything. It would’ve been nice to have for sure, but oh well. And I take umbrage to your comment about Suzyn & John. Nobody needs that.
Tom,
Good one.
Was just looking at trade rumors, and there’s a lot of stuff about the Sox. Like only Nick Cafardo (yes, the writer) thinks the Sox can net Adrian Gonzalez.
And Rosenthal thinks that Beckett should ask the Red Sox for Burnett-type $$. Anyone thinks Becky gives the Sox a hometown discount?
And does madden really think the Yankees “possibly” make montero available in a trade for a starting pitcher? The only pitcher that would be even close to worth it would be Felix.
I’m all for building for the future and lowering the payroll but I hope that cashman and the Yankees remember that there is a limited window where players like jeter and Rivera will be able to continue playing like this. The red sox will most likely try and make a splash this offseason to try and get back on top and I hope the Yankees aren’t content to stand pat.
I think we may not fully appreciate some of these guys until they are gone
Tom, Derosa was a free agent at the end of the season and wanting more than Cleveland wanted to pay. Cleveland made some strange mid-season deals with trading three outfielders, any three that would have fit in very nicely in NY. Franklin Gutierrez was a winter deal, but, at 25 years old when dealt, he may be the best of the ones they traded. Derosa is good, but, getting some age. They got all they were likely to get, and that pitcher ended up hurt. Ben Francisco would have been a decent pickup, too.
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m
November 8th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
I’m not jumping on anyone, but just wanted to point out that most organizations have a David Robertson type in their system. Although, for the most part Robertson was under the radar because he was overshadowed by bigger names like Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Brackman etc. Robertson was a hidden gem that turned out to be quite valuable.
GB7,
I haven’t heard anything. It would’ve been nice to have for sure, but oh well. And I take umbrage to your comment about Suzyn & John. Nobody needs that.
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Sterling’s ok…..even with his little foibles. Waldman may not be the greatest, mainly because of the shrill voice, but, she does her homework, and her pre and post game interviews and questions are certainly better and more professional than those from the so-called “eye candy”, who really isn’t.
Gb, I understand. Cleveland wasn’t going to resign DeRosa. Nor, were they going to offer him arbitration it an atempt to get comp. draft pick(s); so they needed to get something for him.
Franklin Gutierrez would have fit in perfectly with the Yankees. Indians gave up Garko for nothing last year too.
m
November 8th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
And does madden really think the Yankees “possibly” make montero available in a trade for a starting pitcher? The only pitcher that would be even close to worth it would be Felix.
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so you are saying that montero who has done nothing in the majors is going to get you an ace pitcher & one of the best pitchers in baseball?
it will take way more than montero & i do it in a second
joba,ajax,montero
You people are sure talking small time. With the Yankees war chest they can sign anyone. You don’t think they will go after Halladay, Lackey, Beltre, Gonzalez, or Holiday?
I’m betting they go after two of these guys and purchase another WS run. There are plenty of minor league teams to feast off of too — San Diego, Kansas City, Cleveland, Oakland. The list of Yankee developmental teams goes on.
I don’t think the Yankees will deal with Boston.