Mariners GM: Felix is our property
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Just talked to Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik. His highest profile pitcher — and highest profile player outside of Ichiro — will be the subject of trade rumors all winter, and Zduriencik said he won’t try to stop the calls about Felix Hernandez from pouring into his office. But he also said the Mariners are moving forward as if Hernandez will be their ace next season.
“He’s our property this year and next year, and we’re looking forward to him being part of the organization as we move forward,” Zduriencik said. “I can’t control other people calling and people wanting to have discussions. That’s the job to do and certainly we’re going to dot our i’s and cross our t’s. But where we stand right now is that he’s an integral part of what we’re doing and we’re looking forward to having him.”
As for Seattle’s possible interest in Hideki Matsui.
“I won’t comment on any free agent players,” he said. “I don’t think that’s in the best interest of the player or the organization.”
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I hope that King Felix retires as a Mariner.
am i the only one who thinks this is a real a-hole comment?
this GM in my opinion seems in over his head.
he defaulted to the no-comment line already, instead of something like, ‘ we will looks at our needs and go from there”. something other than no-comment.
As much as I salvate over King Felix, and I do, the Mariners have the money to keep him.
Thanks for the updates Chad. I am going through baseball withdrawal and this blog is helping!
Kei Igawa for Felix Hernandez straight up.
anywhere but Boston.
“he defaulted to the no-comment line already, instead of something like, ‘ we will looks at our needs and go from there”. something other than no-comment.”
Don’t think he’s really allowed to comment on specific players until 15 days after the World Series.
Copied from the last thread:
It looks like the Red Sox have declined the option on Alex Gonzalez. Maybe they will come up with a new ‘cash-4-clunkers’ program to fill the shortstop position. Can anyone say Nick Green?
http://www.boston.com/sports/b….._gonzalez/
I hope he stays a Mariner too and that Mauer stays with the Twins.
Tampering is still in effect for potential 2010 free agents.
If I were a Mariner fan, I’d be asking about what about 3 years from now. They are owned by Nintendo, they have the money if they want to spend it. It is no ones fault but ownership.
I heard someone on the radio saying that the Marlins couldn’t afford to keep Jeremy Hermida. Really? What a clueless idiot. I believe they take in more money from revenue sharing than they have in salaries.
It would likely take Cano, A Jax, Montero, Hughes and Joba for Felix Hernandez. And while he is great and 23 years old I don’t think trading your 2 top prospects and 3 main pieces from the MLB roster is the answer.
The Yankees should sign a Randy Wolf guy to fill in behind Pettitte.
jennifer November 9th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
If I were a Mariner fan, I’d be asking about what about 3 years from now. They are owned by Nintendo, they have the money if they want to spend it. It is no ones fault but ownership.
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it’s well know that Super Maro Bros. are cheap.
“I heard someone on the radio saying that the Marlins couldn’t afford to keep Jeremy Hermida. Really? What a clueless idiot. I believe they take in more money from revenue sharing than they have in salaries.”
Actually think this is true. They had a large number of guys come up for arbitration this year. They couldn’t keep him all and not blow budget.
I hope that King Felix retires as a Mariner
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ditto.
I hope that King Felix retires as a Mariner.
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Me too
“If I were a Mariner fan, I’d be asking about what about 3 years from now. They are owned by Nintendo, they have the money if they want to spend it. It is no ones fault but ownership.”
Jennifer,
Spending the entire revenue that is generated by your baseball team is one thing, but why should an owner spend the revenue from his other businesses?
I really hope Matsui doesn’t go to Seattle. Seeing him in a Mariner’s uniform would just look wrong to me.
“Jennifer,
Spending the entire revenue that is generated by your baseball team is one thing, but why should an owner spend the revenue from his other businesses?”
Good point. Next owner that does will be the first.
Now can we stop speculating on what it would take to get this guy? Then again, I’ve never engaged in fantasies about Felix. As far as I’m concerned, he’s in Seattle and that’s that.
Matsui and Ichiro don’t get along, so I doubt that he would go to Seattle.
Seattle should be able to afford Felix since they’re around 100M or little more in payroll each season, their future payrolls obligations is not that large.
Ken Burns is a fruitcake, but those documentaries are INCREDIBLE!!
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gold. In particular, disc 1 until the 1960’s.
I have to pass Trisha props. Checked them based on her take
D. It is Written
November 9th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
“Jennifer,
Spending the entire revenue that is generated by your baseball team is one thing, but why should an owner spend the revenue from his other businesses?”
Good point. Next owner that does will be the first.
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Wrong. The New York Yankees are not a profitable baseball team. I forget the specifics but unless the Yankees actually win the World Series, the team does not make money for the season. What does make money is ventures like the YES network. The Yankee ownership moves money from YES to the Yankees regularly.
Mike RI
November 9th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
anywhere but Boston.
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Boston does not have enough in their system to net Hernandez. IMO, if he were to be moved, it would be anywhere but Boston. They’re not dealing Westmoreland and they don’t have anyone else knocking on the door who’s worthy.
They already reportedly gave the Mariners a list of six players to choose four or five from (forget which) and the Ms sniffed at the list.
King Felix is good.. But he isnt worth trading anyone for.
He will be a FA in 2 years, go get him then.
Within 2-3 years Lincecum, Cain, Halladay Johnson, Beckett, Lee, Webb will all be FAs.. I’m sure I missed a few.
Point being, we just won the WS!!! Trading our youth for a pitcher is absurd. Especially when we will have our choice in the next 2 years..
pfft. Felix is second tier. At least Cash called Alex an “asset” (okay, he was really pizzed at the time, but still).
bru,
Interesting suggestions. I put it out there to point out that we’re probably going to go over $200m again if we’re going to field a WSC caliber team again. And that, to the chagrin of many, we might need to look internally for a lot of our needs.
champ809
November 9th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Cash(thank God!) has a plan and a vision that he has laid out to make the Yanks younger,more athletic and cheaper and as is sucessfully acheiving that and winning while doing it he will continue on that path.
So, while he will kick the tires on everything and the media will inevitably insert the Yanks in the middle of everything that’s happening during the hot stove season(at the prodding of all the agents in the game), i am certain about a few things;
a- Cano ain’t going nowhere but up! He continues to develop into a perennial all star player at a premium position and is cost controlled for the forseeable future.Maybe in two years when/if Dave Adams or Corbin Joseph are ready and Robbies through his arb years would he be movable but for now he’s a foundation player. I actually think the Yanks should let Damon walk and move Cano intop the 2 hole behind Jeet and in front of Tex and ARod as i think he’s finally ready to make that quantum leap into one of the games elite hitters with those guys protecting him.
b- Joba and Hughes will assume their roles in the rotation next year. Joba will have no limits and with proper conditioning and commitment i think will be a dominant front of the rotation type starter next season. I’m looking for 34 starts 200 innings 200+Ks 16-18 wins and a sub 3.6 era. Phranchise i think will be asked to make 27-28 starts with an innings limit of 175-180 innings as he’s thrown far more innings in the minors than Joba i don’t think the Hughes Rules will be as severe as Joba’s. Also having experienced the failed 3inning/skip a week and a half approach of the Joba rules this season i think they will go more with the approach that the Tigers took with Porcello and either shut him down for a month around the break with IPK/McCallister/Nova coming up for a few starts or shut him down in July/Aug with Wang if healthy and ready moving in to the rotation for Hughes.
c-Forget about Holliday and or Bay in NY. Cash is tired of hearing how he can only win with a $200 mil payroll and buying championships. After last seasons investments he’s looking to lower payroll(so is Hal quiet as it’s kept) and knows that he’s got the in-house solutions to do so.
d-AJax and Montero ain’t going anywhere either but on the express train to the Bronx. Both players will make their debuts at some point this season with AJax having an outside shot to make the team out of spring training and Montero almost certainly getting a callup when rosters expand if not sooner.
e- a very intriguing cheaper alternative to Damon that i’d love to see the Yanks explore would be Ankiel. He’s six years younger and faster,top 5 defensive OF’er who could play CF and move to RF when AJax gets here and would be a gold glover at both positions,and unlike Damon he has LEGIT LH power who could hit 30+ hrs in the Yanks lineup.I know some will point to the low batting average but remember Paul O’Neill was a career .258 hitter averaging 16 homers when we made the trade for him. Ankiel has the kind of skillset that i think Long can work with and unleash a .280-.290/35+/100 rbi gold glove athletically gifted outfielder for the next 3-4 yrs. In this market 2yrs/10 mil would definitely get it done. Boras and Damon are looking for 3-4yrs 30-40mil which is laughable in my opinion.
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champ809
November 9th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Cash(thank God!) has a plan and a vision that he has laid out to make the Yanks younger,more athletic and cheaper and as is sucessfully acheiving that and winning while doing it he will continue on that path.
So, while he will kick the tires on everything and the media will inevitably insert the Yanks in the middle of everything that’s happening during the hot stove season(at the prodding of all the agents in the game), i am certain about a few things;
a- Cano ain’t going nowhere but up! He continues to develop into a perennial all star player at a premium position and is cost controlled for the forseeable future.Maybe in two years when/if Dave Adams or Corbin Joseph are ready and Robbies through his arb years would he be movable but for now he’s a foundation player. I actually think the Yanks should let Damon walk and move Cano intop the 2 hole behind Jeet and in front of Tex and ARod as i think he’s finally ready to make that quantum leap into one of the games elite hitters with those guys protecting him.
b- Joba and Hughes will assume their roles in the rotation next year. Joba will have no limits and with proper conditioning and commitment i think will be a dominant front of the rotation type starter next season. I’m looking for 34 starts 200 innings 200+Ks 16-18 wins and a sub 3.6 era. Phranchise i think will be asked to make 27-28 starts with an innings limit of 175-180 innings as he’s thrown far more innings in the minors than Joba i don’t think the Hughes Rules will be as severe as Joba’s. Also having experienced the failed 3inning/skip a week and a half approach of the Joba rules this season i think they will go more with the approach that the Tigers took with Porcello and either shut him down for a month around the break with IPK/McCallister/Nova coming up for a few starts or shut him down in July/Aug with Wang if healthy and ready moving in to the rotation for Hughes.
c-Forget about Holliday and or Bay in NY. Cash is tired of hearing how he can only win with a $200 mil payroll and buying championships. After last seasons investments he’s looking to lower payroll(so is Hal quiet as it’s kept) and knows that he’s got the in-house solutions to do so.
d-AJax and Montero ain’t going anywhere either but on the express train to the Bronx. Both players will make their debuts at some point this season with AJax having an outside shot to make the team out of spring training and Montero almost certainly getting a callup when rosters expand if not sooner.
e- a very intriguing cheaper alternative to Damon that i’d love to see the Yanks explore would be Ankiel. He’s six years younger and faster,top 5 defensive OF’er who could play CF and move to RF when AJax gets here and would be a gold glover at both positions,and unlike Damon he has LEGIT LH power who could hit 30+ hrs in the Yanks lineup.I know some will point to the low batting average but remember Paul O’Neill was a career .258 hitter averaging 16 homers when we made the trade for him. Ankiel has the kind of skillset that i think Long can work with and unleash a .280-.290/35+/100 rbi gold glove athletically gifted outfielder for the next 3-4 yrs. In this market 2yrs/10 mil would definitely get it done. Boras and Damon are looking for 3-4yrs 30-40mil which is laughable in my opinion.
Opinions on Ankiel Patrick,GB7,SJ44,Miggs,Betsy…anyone?
sorry about the double post
Me either, Betsy.
The guy is 23 years old. The fantasy baseball crowd needs to get it that other GMs don’t sit around trying to dream up ways to improve the Yankees.
The Boston thing, though, happened. To me, that’s just the hubris of Theo, who, I guess, thinks other GMs are as clueless and ardent about his farm system as Peter Gammons.
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
November 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
The guy is 23 years old. The fantasy baseball crowd needs to get it that other GMs don’t sit around trying to dream up ways to improve the Yankees.
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LOL. That’s hilarious
tex’s friend,
I think the Seattle GM said exactly what he needed to.
Seattle needs to lock this guy down or get a massive package in return for him.
I hope they keep him long term and they need to send that message to their fans because Seattle is a solid franchise.
I’d love him in NY though.
“Wrong. The New York Yankees are not a profitable baseball team. I forget the specifics but unless the Yankees actually win the World Series, the team does not make money for the season. What does make money is ventures like the YES network. The Yankee ownership moves money from YES to the Yankees regularly.”
Yet, those YES revenues are directly tied into the product that YES broadcasts which means if there isn’t a good New York Yankee product, the YES generated revenues would be negatively effected. However, let’s remember the revenue calculation of the Yankees has changed a lot due to the new stadium and their partnerships in concessions and such.
Erica I was just going to post that. I think SJ said many of these cry poor teams actually make more of a profit than the Yankees. ie the Marlins
Chip,
Sorry man, Ivan Nova ain’t the 5th starter next year. He needs to develop more.
Look at his numbers.
End of debate.
Assuming Andy re-signs and one of Joba or Hughes is in the rotation, there is no way that the 5th slot goes to a guy like this. Not even sure why we’re discussing this.
“CR9
But please do not insult Jimmy Olsen. Jimmy sometimes played his part in helping Superman. Pete all the time plays his part in helping himself to hamburgers.”
That is the post of the year right there. I am so glad this site has rid itself of PeteAbe.
His pettiness and cattiness were unbecoming of a professional. I remember at the time we all found out he was leaving for the Boston Globe, I said it was sad that Boston fan used the Yankees to further his career while the whole time making passive agressive comments intended to slight the Yanks.
After reading his tweet insulting the parent newspaper of this blog, I feel even more sick because it is obvious that he didn’t even have the courtesy to show gratitude towards the job that provided him with the means to further his career. It is pretty obvious that Pete is nothing but a sour grapes, sore loser. One would expect nothing less from a Bostonian.
“Boston does not have enough in their system to net Hernandez. IMO, if he were to be moved, it would be anywhere but Boston. They’re not dealing Westmoreland and they don’t have anyone else knocking on the door who’s worthy.
They already reportedly gave the Mariners a list of six players to choose four or five from (forget which) and the Ms sniffed at the list.”
Furthermore, Boston’s best prospects are still in “A” ball which means their trade value is compromise somewhat in any possible trade.
It looks like the Red Sox have declined the option on Alex Gonzalez. Maybe they will come up with a new ‘cash-4-clunkers’ program to fill the shortstop position. Can anyone say Nick Green?
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no they have jed lowrie. supposedly the best shortstop prospect EVER. hahahahahahahahaha yeah right.
I followed Cardnials fans, bloggers and beat writers this season and the general consensus is that Ankiel is very frustrating and strikes out a lot.
He’s not your best choice.
tex’s friend
Peter Gammons had an article sometime in August when Jed Lowrie was about to return from his wrist injury and the Red Sox were having problems at 3rd base b/c of Lowell’s injury, where he said that Lowrie was capable of playing Gold Glove caliber defense at 3rd base immediately.
I thought for certain that would have been the end of Gammons’ career with ESPN given the complete and total biasness of that claim, but never underestimate the homerism of ESPN.
I would think the Red Sox, if they cannot get Orl. Cabrera, will resign A. Gonzalez at a lower price.
I said this from the time they traded for him. Their SS position produced no offense and had very bad defense. At the SS position, like many of you have said about the 2B position, it is okay to put out the best defensive player and sacrifice offense. Since the Sox were not getting any offense anyway, Alex provided great defense, all the while providing a bit of offense added in. Does every team need a superstar hitter 1 through 9 in their lineup. Their lineup is not that bad, and Alex in the 9 spot, as long as he has a .300 OBP, that should be fine, provided his excellent defense remains the same.
tex’s friend
Wait I thought, Pokey Reese, no Orlando Cabrera, No was it Edgar Renteria, oh wait maybe it was Alex Gonzalez, no it was Julio Lugo was the best ss ever!
The Yankees should take a flyer on Ben Sheets or Rich Harden for the rotation next year, both will be incentive contracts. If they try to make a big trade, target Matt Kemp, Matt Cain, King Felix or Josh Johnson for the future, not Halladay as much as I love him. Go for the get younger options. While I hate to give up on Cano he has big time value and just don’t see him hitting 1-5 in this lineup ever. A trade in package for Johnson or Kemp would help them down the line. Make a deal for Kemp, you would have Kemp, Damon resigned, Melky/Gardner, Swisher and then sign Nady or Hinske cheap. Then if Damon is a one year, go after Carl Crawford as he is as close to Damon as you will get in a player. Crawford, Austin Jackson and Kemp the OF would be there for years. Pena would fill in nicely defensively if need be or a short contract for Orlando Hudson or Polanco. Pitchers Josh Johnson is a stud and would be young. He would be a perfect 2 in this rotation. CC, JJ, AJ, Andy and then Joba. Hughes needs more innings work again, but is your 6th. Anyway, I really hope we don’t see Lackey (even if he is tough he’s lost something), Bay (ks a ton and low batting average) or Holliday (too much money for a nice player). Only a handful of free agents I like one of which is Soriano from Atlanta who would make for a nice arm in the pen.
CR9
I would think the Red Sox, if they cannot get Orl. Cabrera, will resign A. Gonzalez at a lower price.
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Market conditions may force Alex Gonzalez to accept a pay cut to return to the Red Sox but that doesn’t mean that he will be happy about it. I can imagine an out of shape Gonzalez reporting to spring training.
Its never a good idea to impose a pay cut on someone that you want to bust your but for ‘ya.
Red Sox had zero interest in resigning O. Cabrera when he left, had no interest in a trade this year, there is no way that guy ends up in Boston. Scutaro makes perfect sense for them and won’t cost a lot.
As for A Gone. Who on the Sox would the Padres want as they aren’t aggressed to trade Gonzo due to money? Sox would have to start with Bucholz and try to find other talent. Lars Anderson who was supposedly so good stunk it up at AA. Bard was ok and has good stuff, but is a relief pitcher they may need to replace Papelbon soon. They simply don’t have anything all that enticing for a team with a great player who is under a reasonable contract.
Oops!!!
Its never a good idea to impose a pay cut on someone that you want to bust your but for ‘ya.
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Should read:
Its never a good idea to impose a pay cut on someone that you want to bust your BUTT for ‘ya.
According to how Forbes’s calculates it, the Yankees have had negative operating income since 2004 (although 2009 figures aren’t in yet). This is pre-interest/taxes/depreciation/amortization, according to
http://www.forbes.com/lists/20.....34613.html
I’ve said for a while now that I expect Seattle to be buyers not sellers this winter. Johjima’s retirement saved them a ton of cash and they’re out from the awful Beltre and Washburn deals as well.
I look for them to add Harden and Jason Bay at least. Possibly also a guy like Magglio Ordonez to DH.
Mad Prince -
Slightly inflated ERA at AAA but solid peripheral numbers (K’s, hits and BB per innings pitched etc…)
tex’s friend
Wait I thought, Pokey Reese, no Orlando Cabrera, No was it Edgar Renteria, oh wait maybe it was Alex Gonzalez, no it was Julio Lugo was the best ss ever!
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Well they are definitely all better than jeter, Nomar and ARod.
“Scutaro makes perfect sense for them and won’t cost a lot.”
Only makes sense if the Jays don’t offer him arbitration. No way they give up a pick to get him.
I heard the Phils are looking at Halladay.
If they get Halladay now, can you imagine the anger of their fans and the laughter among Yankees fans.
Imagine if they had Lee and Halladay this year, which was completely doable considering the garbage they gave up for Lee.
I know things would play out differently, but would anybody have been surprised to see the Phils beat the Yanks 4-2 in the WS with both of them.
Thank God that the Phillies were not smart enough to try and get as many aces as he could with the talent he had. JA Happ has lost a lot of his trade value since the trade deadline.
The Sox did have interest in getting Cabrera at the trade deadline.
Scutaro would make decent sense if not offered arb.
I predict Arm Injuries for King Felix in the near future…. 23 and hes already thrown over 900 innings…. Look out… buyer beware…
Chip,
Not a 5th starter right now.
End of story.
ADam,
Good point. Definitely has some mileage, but I hope he stays healthy.
We need to set up some 300 game winners for this generation
GB, Jimmy Olsen, cub reporter…Great line….Yanks are valued by Forbes in the 1.8 Billion dollar range and climbing…….John Lackey is an outstanding pitcher, better than AJ…His medical issue was a forearm flexor muscle…Yanks will be looking at him this winter,as they’re in a positon of power, bit they do have a rotation issue with the loss of Wang….Joba & Hughes will not be in the rotation together come April….
Did you guys hear Victor Zambrano’s mother was kidnapped in Venezuela?
# Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus November 9th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I followed Cardnials fans, bloggers and beat writers this season and the general consensus is that Ankiel is very frustrating and strikes out a lot.
He’s not your best choice.
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Sounds like Giambi. Man did I dislike fatso.
Mad Prince –
to each their own I suppose.
CR9 -
No chance that the Phillies land Halladay now. They still don’t want to move Carrasco and Drabek for him and their farm is a little depleted from the Lee trade. They’ve still got Hamels, Lee, Blanton, and Happ to front their rotation and will probably go with Drabek in the back
jpb1973
You are probably right. But, if you remember, they screwed A. Gonz out the door the first time around. In order for him to accept coming back to the Sox this year, Genius Theo had to call him and promise him the starting time and beg for him to come.
The Red Sox are, or at least should be, known for how they treat their players poorly and screw them over whenever the Red Sox feel it is appropriate to do so.
They can get anyone to come in and try to help them win. If the Red Sox were somehow living that bizzarro Jerry episode of Seinfeld and got Manny Ramirez back, he’d be back there trying his hardest to help them win like Manny did when he did play there.
Pat M,
Isn’t the forearm flexor a possible precursor to TJ surgery? He did hold up once he got going again, though.
If Joba and Hughes aren’t together in April which one will be in the rotation and who will be the 5th starter?
ADam
Wow that is insane. mussina threw about 3600 innings in 18 seasons, King Felix is almost 1/4 the way there in 5.
“Did you guys hear Victor Zambrano’s mother was kidnapped in Venezuela?”
Can only mean one of two things:
1) They’re looking to trade her for Scott Kazmir’s mother.
2) They got the wrong Zambrano’s mother.
It’s quite sad that this kind of thing happens down there. Hoping for the best for the Zambrano family.
Bronx Jeers November 9th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Did you guys hear Victor Zambrano’s mother was kidnapped in Venezuela?
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Man, Piniella has some anger issues.
CD November 9th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Bronx Jeers November 9th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Did you guys hear Victor Zambrano’s mother was kidnapped in Venezuela?
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Man, Piniella has some anger issues.
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Wrong Zambrano.
Pat, I’m wondering if Phil should just spend most of the year in AAA at this point. He should have been there this year, but obviously things went awry with the pen. Down in AAA, he can get his innings in and work on his change, etc….
It seems to me that one of the reasons the Phillies got Lee was because Toronto was being slightly unreasonable (to say the least) about Halladay, and was in no particular hurry to do a deal. the Phillies were able to get a really good deal done for Lee. I don’t know how anyone would think they could have gotten BOTH at the time. If they can get Halladay now, more power to them, I guess.
In fact, once the Phillies got Lee for so “little,” it pretty much nullified the possibility of anyone doing a deal for Halladay last summer. So they got Lee and helped keep Halladay off the market as a bonus. Not bad, I’d say.
It will be very interesting to see what Toronto does, though. And the Phillies could use another starter, since Hamels isn’t a sure thing anymore.
AJ is going to be much better next year…..and he was hardly bad this year.
“.Joba & Hughes will not be in the rotation together come April….”
I subscribe to this position but I’m assuming this is just opinion no? Who is out?
I thinks Lackey’s only a slight possibility and that’s only if Andy hangs it up.
It makes perfect sense for Joba to have one more full year to see what he has as a starter. Mariano is still around. If he falters again than you can think his future might be in the pen. I for one continue to believe Hughes and Joba will be the Yankees 2 and 3 starters for years, but the odds are probably against both succeeding there. Would it be awful if one ended up as a #2 and the other as an 8th inning or closer?
Agreed, King Felix will retire a Millionaire.
jennifer November 9th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
ADam
Wow that is insane. mussina threw about 3600 innings in 18 seasons, King Felix is almost 1/4 the way there in 5.
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Mussia did the same. He threw close to 900 innings in his first 5 years — same as felix (though Mussia did it with fewer starts).
“I don’t know how anyone would think they could have gotten BOTH at the time.”
Because none of the players desired by the Blue Jays went to the Indians in their deal for Lee.
Does Hughes have any options left?
I really don’t see the Yanks trading Cano. He just turned 27 and should be heading into his prime.
ADam,
Good point. Definitely has some mileage, but I hope he stays healthy.
We need to set up some 300 game winners for this generation
Pls dont get me wrong.. I dont want the guy to get hurt… but for all the flack the yankees get for putting innings limits on there young guys….
Look at all the young guys who’s careers are in serious jeopardy or over because of over use
Liriano
Carmona
Wood
Prior
Cueto
Hamels
Kazmir
Sonnastine
Chacin
and the list goes on… Remember how many cy youngs and wins these guys were gonna rack up… and then they were abused and used like ragdolls and some are looking for jobs… some careers are over some could be over soon…
Sooooo… Theres more to the innings thing than old school baseball folks want to believe
Francesa- 2nd tier teams leaving star players out of media guides for 2010 because they don’t think they can afford to keep them.
Any team with a farm system, a dollar and a dream might have a very interesting hot stove this year.
CR9 -
Wouldn’t that mean the Phillies did not want to give up those particular players?
by the way, I would truly enjoy seeing Cliff Lee get pummeled next year. His arrogance is very offputting.
Now that we won, I can finally say this too: In spring, I hope we drill that farm animaled face (whoever said that farm animal comment is absolutely correct) Werth. Rollins is a fun guy, Howard is a good guy, Utley while looking like a scumbag, does a lot to help abused animals.
Werth and Lee are the 2 finalists because they are both arrogant swine. Lee would not get an AB probably, and Werth wins the contest of who should get hit, because of how sickly ugly that POS is.
Doreen
Yes, that means they did not want to give up those players.
But you said “could have.”
The Phillies “could have” given up those players and received Roy.
And the Phillies, if they were smart enough, would have given up those players to get themselves the 2nd ace, and they could have or probably would have had 2 straight World Series.
For a city that had not won a championship in 25 years or so, 2 straight WS wins and those guys would have been bigger heroes than they already are.
Yankees won the WS.
Phillies are loudmouths, although they are pretty good to back some of it up.
However, only one team is World Champions. Red Sox and Philles are irrelevant, back to striving to be number one.
They and their fans don’t bother me anymore.
SI_JonHeyman nothing definite yet, but andy pettitte apparently told #yankees teammates he’d like to come back for 1 more year.
11 minutes ago from mobile web
funny how jack z can go from totally irrelevant to the man in power in less than 72 hours.
Rishi
November 9th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
SI_JonHeyman nothing definite yet, but andy pettitte apparently told #yankees teammates he’d like to come back for 1 more year.
11 minutes ago from mobile web
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Erin – that’s the reaction I was hoping for
Andy expressing interest is the easy part of the equation.
Getting Andy back is the number one priority for the winter. That’s great news Rishi!
“am i the only one who thinks this is a real a-hole comment?
this GM in my opinion seems in over his head.”
1. I hope you’re the only one.
2. If by “in over his head” what you mean is “to have already proven that he’s one of the two or three best in baseball,” then yes.
CR9
November 9th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
by the way, I would truly enjoy seeing Cliff Lee get pummeled next year. His arrogance is very offputting.
Now that we won, I can finally say this too: In spring, I hope we drill that farm animaled face (whoever said that farm animal comment is absolutely correct) Werth. Rollins is a fun guy, Howard is a good guy, Utley while looking like a scumbag, does a lot to help abused animals.
Werth and Lee are the 2 finalists because they are both arrogant swine. Lee would not get an AB probably, and Werth wins the contest of who should get hit, because of how sickly ugly that POS is.
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i dont know what werth did but when lee showboated on that catch i wanted to jump in my car,drive to the stadium & punch him in the mouth
CR9 -
Okay.
But that would have been a very unorthodox thing to do.
I suppose if they go ahead and give those very guys up for Halladay now anyway, some fans would be scratching their heads.
my point wasn’t that Ivan Nova would be the 5th starter next season…
in the scenario i described with Hughes as the 5th starter and then being shut down for 3-4weeks around the all star break then someone from the group of IPK,Nova or Zach McCallister could be sent up from SWB to take 5 or 6 starts in place or Hughes.
of course that promotion would be based on merit and who was most deserving at that time.
Rishi -
That’s great that he’s thinking that way.
But with Pettitte, the devil is always in the details. He wants to come back, but he has to have a family meeting, which is fine, I’d appreciate that if I were his family. And then comes the contract stuff. Will he do the same kind of deal as last year, low base with lots of incentives, or will he want guaranteed money? And how long will it drag out?
I hope it’s first order of business for Cashman, personally, because that could be an easy one down, 3 or 4 or 5 to go.
How has the M’s gm “already proven that he’s one of the two or three best in baseball,”? He’s be a gm for 1 year?
I don’t see the Yankees going out a spending big like last year. No Halliday, No lacky, No Holliday No Bay, No long term deals at all…
If Andy wants to come back he will be back for like 12mil.
If Johnie will take a 2 year contract for 10-11 mil each, he’ll be back; but I don’t think he will take a 2 year deal.
I could see them bringing Sui back for 1 year 8-10mil only if Johnnie goes.
The perfect replacement for Johnnie would be Carl Crawford, but I doubt the Rays will send him this way.
I see the payroll dropping under 200mil next year.
** Don’t get me wrong. I love Andy Pettitte. But telling teammates and getting it done with Cash are two different things. That, plus history has shown that Mr. Pettitte does not rush into these things.
If it can get done quickly, that could and probably will affect the other tweaks to the team.
Phillies thought they were playing the Mets.
All the bush league BS they pulled don’t fly with the Bombers.
I loved Jeter’s comment about “a lot of predictions” being made.
the phillies were not smart in understanding that lee,hamels,pedro could not possibly beat cc,burnett,pettitte when the yankees offense was also better
Doreen
Yes, my only point was that if they did trade now, Phillies fans would or should be angry.
And you are right. It is very unorthodox. But do you know what else is unorthodox. Committing 180 million to Mark Teixeira after committing 245 million to other players.
Cashman recognized the need to get an actual first baseman, who is great offensively, and great defensively, instead of playing the plop we’d been playing there for years. And it got us a WS.
According to Pete at the time, there was zero chance we got Tex and he covered the Yankees for a living.
Doreen – I think we just don’t know enough about the family dynamic (not that we need to/should). The “family stuff” might be a cover/excuse more than fact – i have no idea.
I happen to think that “the family” might be hard-pressed to say they don’t want him to play another year. It’s not like Mussina who wanted to go back to the farm etc.
As for the contract, it’s going to have to be better (more guarantee money etc) than this year. His performance in 2008 dictated concerns (from playing hurt) that are just not the case this year.
I’m hoping the championship glow helps out a lot, too :0
Believe half of what you see, son and none of what you hear
Jerry Crasnick of ESPN surveyed 20 execs at the GM meetings and asked them a series of questions including – where does John Lackey go:
Responses: Yankees 8, Mets 4, Angels 3. The Dodgers, Astros, Orioles and Brewers received one vote each, and one executive said he has “no idea.” Estimates on Lackey’s deal ranged from a low of three years, $36 million to highs of five years, $95 million and six years, $100 million.
Lackey is just a Texas bulldog at heart, but most people figure he’s bound for the big stage in New York. The Mets are desperately in need of stability behind Johan Santana in their rotation, and the Yankees showed a willingness to splurge on starting pitching by spending $243.5 million on CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett this past winter.
“If the Yankees were able to lock Lackey into a rotation with Sabathia and Burnett, it could be the start of another dynasty,” a National League assistant GM said.
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Personally I don’t think he winds up with the Yankees – I think Cash will set his sights a little lower in price (Bedard, Duchscher, Sheets) but I suppose anything is possible and if the market for Lackey isn’t what we anticipate it will be the Yankees might pounce.
Pettitte will come back and make about $10 million with incentives. That’s about right for 14-8, ERA 4 ish, and his age.
For all of talking about the Yankees, look at the Sox.
You have JD Drew and David Ortiz hanging off of their necks, and Varitek is going to exercise his player option. Talk about a bunch of dead wood for 2010.
cannot comment on this clip. Cuz words do no justice
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ury-19584/
I could be wrong, but I have a feeling the process with Pettitte won’t be as dragged out as it was last year. I’m hoping that’s the case anyway.
Rishi
November 9th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
SI_JonHeyman nothing definite yet, but andy pettitte apparently told #yankees teammates he’d like to come back for 1 more year.
11 minutes ago from mobile web
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THERE IS A GOD!!!! Seriously, this just made my day y’all.
I think Andy’s family isn’t going to be an issue. His kids are older and apparently they really enjoy their dad being a Yankee – I don’t think he’s getting a strong tug from home in the sense that they want him home right now.
Objectively speaking, what can we expect from Andy next year? Surely not the same year he had this year…
Champ, that’s an interesting idea…..
CC
AJ
Andy
Joba
Hughes
I think we could use another pitcher, but then again, we do have Aceves as an option to back up Phil/Joba. I expect AJ to win more games next year and be good overall; this year (before his slump), he did not get much run support- he should have had 15 to 16 win. Andy….will he be as good as he was this year? Joba really needs to step up….he doesn’t have to be ace-like at all, but he needs to be solid. Phil, IMO, is going to have his struggles, but I expect will be better at the end of the season than he was at the beginning. I think the Yankees can win with this….
CR9 -
I’m realizing it takes about 2-3 exchanges of posts sometimes to realize the point someone is trying to make, myself included.
Rishi -
I agree that there ought to be more guaranteed money, since the injury issue from last year is not there, at least apparently, this time. And perhaps because he doesn’t have to see how he feels, he can move a little less cautiously and expeditiously.
You think saying he needs to discuss with family is a formality or a time-buyer? I like to think he’s a family guy who doesn’t want to make it look like he is bypassing his wife on major decisions. In other words, a very smart husband.
Plus, it buys him some time and is a better answer than “I don’t know what I want to do yet.”
champ809
November 9th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
my point wasn’t that Ivan Nova would be the 5th starter next season…
in the scenario i described with Hughes as the 5th starter and then being shut down for 3-4weeks around the all star break then someone from the group of IPK,Nova or Zach McCallister could be sent up from SWB to take 5 or 6 starts in place or Hughes.
of course that promotion would be based on merit and who was most deserving at that time.
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Nova has real ability, and did make a leap from AA to AAA at the end of the season.
He definitely has a shot – has very good stuff. Like you, I can see him getting some starts over the course of a year – probably toward the latter part.
But needs to get his BB down some. He was 59/90 last season – 1.5 plus: not good enough.
As he progresses, if he can command his somewhat erratic secondary stuff better on a more consistent basis, and get more swings and misses on it, he’ll be in a better position to help us out.
In 139.1 IP last year in the minors, Nova yielded somewhere around 3.8 BB/9 IP.
Cash took great care in signing not only quality players, but quality people (though he’s admitted he didn’t know much about AJ and has been very, very pleasantly surprised at what a great teammate he’s been). There is no way he goes and signs Bedard, a chronic malcontent and overall jerke.
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
November 9th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Phillies thought they were playing the Mets.
All the bush league BS they pulled don’t fly with the Bombers.
I loved Jeter’s comment about “a lot of predictions” being made.
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http://www.buffalonews.com/opi.....54058.html
Last line in this column is priceless.
I guess everybody forgot Wang is coming back next year and will be healthy and ready to pitch. This guy is a 20 win type pitcher who had one off year due to injuries.
If the reports that Andy wants to come back are true, that is vary good news.
The Yankees are going to sign 1 Vet to the rotation and Andy on a 1 year deal works for me.
The plans is to have CC, AJ, Joba, Phil, and ???
I’d say Andy should be offered 12 mil or arbitration as a min.
What about the Wangster?
The Yankees clearly think he will again be important part of next year as he was up and around during the World Series with the team. Granted, so was Nady but lets not forget before the injuries Wang was one of our most reliable pitchers. He was certainly no ace like we were using him….but he would be an awesome weapon along with CC, AJ,Andy/Phil and Joba/Phil. Think of that.
I am betting, baring any craziness this off-season, the 2010 rotation is: CC, AJ, Andy, Wang and Joba/Phil. And the other of Joba/Phil goes to AAA or bullpen ready for the first injury/long-man spot.
MLB
Sabathia
Burnett
Pettitte
Chamberlain or Hughes
Harden or Sheets (1 year incentive deal)
AAA
Chamberlain or Hughes
Wang
Kennedy
Mcallister
Nova
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
November 9th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
November 9th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Phillies thought they were playing the Mets.
All the bush league BS they pulled don’t fly with the Bombers.
I loved Jeter’s comment about “a lot of predictions” being made.
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http://www.buffalonews.com/opi…..54058.html
Last line in this column is priceless.
I really think they made a concerted effort to get into the Yanks heads.
But NO ONE RENTS SPACE IN THE YANKEES HEADS!
Zduriencik is a great baseball executive and the Mariners were the most improved team of 2009.
He may eventually have to trade King Felix but he’s certainly not getting fleeced.
God no. Not Bedard.
Sabathia
Burnett
Lackey
Petitte
Joba/Hughes
Im in for that
I never said I wouldn’t want lackey in the rotation. He is a good pitcher. I just said he wasn’t worth the money he’s gonna ask for. But then again its not my money so what do I care…
“I guess everybody forgot Wang is coming back next year and will be healthy and ready to pitch.”
That’s awesome!!!
Um, link?
murphydog
November 9th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
God no. Not Bedard.
This will never happen, never.
Why did I think Wang would be out rehabbing next season as well?
My hope is that the Yankees work something out that gives Wang an opportunity to make a come-back with this team.
However, my expectations are low that CMW will return to form, because of the shoulder injury, which is his second.
I want nothing more than to be shown to be wrong, that he makes a great recovery and can be of help in the second half of the 2010 season.
But I don’t think the Yankees can depend on that.
I kinda took a liking to Lackey in the playoffs.
Is the best case scenario that Wang comes back mid season?
murphydog -
He will be rehabbing at least the first half of the season, is what I heard.
I read somewhere that Wang was going to visit Dr. Andrews today…
is Phil going somewhere to build up his innings?
How’s IPK doing?
A few posters have speculated that Hughes may spend part of 2010 in AAA, I disagree. If the NYY wouldn’t send him back to AAA when Wang came off the DL in 2009, why would they do it now? Pitching in NY helped both PH and the team tremendously, he has nothing to prove at AAA. I believe the team will learn from how they handled Joba and limit Phil early in the year so that he is “full speed ahead” from June onward. With off days and bad weather, you don’t usually need 5 SP all the time early in the year. They can skip a start, limit innings for a few months and then just let him go. I look forward to a good 2010 from both Joba and Phil.
Here it is:
Chien-Ming Wang spoke to us while holding his baby son. He said he’s going to see Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala. on Monday for a follow-up appointment to his right shoulder surgery. He said he could be pitching in rehabilitation games in April or May. That seems optimistic.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.1570926
Rich Harden, anyone? buy low on him. He got filthy stuff when healthy.
The 2 worst things to happen to the sox in 2009…
1. Tex signing with Yankees. They could have picked up Lowell’s money and traded him for prospects. They could have traded the same pieces in the Martinez deal to get Lee or Halladay.
Lester + Beckett + Lee or Hallady + Tex = possible championship
2. Lars Anderson disaster season. The Sox don’t have a Montero in their entire system. They now enter the offseason with ZERO A level prospects in the minors above A ball to trade. They feel they cant trade Buchholz because Beckett wants Sabathia/Santana money and Wake is 43 and injured every year.
The most recent ‘news’ on Wang was that he was expecting to start a ‘throwing program’ in the spring.
What that actually means in terms of (if all goes well) being able to pitch in the majors is a mystery.
Also a mystery would be his future business relationship with the Yankees as nothing on that front has been announced publically.
Champ809 sorry it took me so long to respond to your post, I just saw it now.
I think your post was very well thought out. I agree with virtually the entire thing.
Have to say I’m not particularly high on Ankiel. He would be servicible I suppose. Good defense, decent speed. But if he can’t hit in St. Louis how is he going to hit here? You saw what Holliday did after the trade going to the AL then back to the NL. I’m worried what would happen to Ankiel in the AL East, although I suppose hitting in a deep lineup would help him. Bottom line, I think he’s a step or two down offensively from Damon (if that’s who he’s replacing).
All you guys posting about Yankee FA pitching interests… I really hate to burst your bubbles but if Andy comes back they aren’t adding another big FA starter. Lackey? They aren’t going to have big money committed to 3 starters for the next 4-6 years (which is what it would take to add Lackey to AJ and CC). Its just not going to happen, no chance.
You guys are also forgetting about Gaudin and Mitre. Yeah they’re not great but they add depth. Cash is committed to bringing Hughes and Joba along as starters. For good reason. So start doing the math. They aren’t going into spring training with 10 starters. You guys have to stop being greedy and start being realistic.
Um… What about them signing Pettitte and calling the rotation done with Hughes and Joba as the 4-5.
One could argue that the rotation was weaker this season and they won 103 games.
wzup Ed : )
will pass. Rich Harden is the 2010 version of Ben Sheets
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....-ming.html
Yup, Wang to see Dr. Andrews and throw a “rehab game” by April or May.
I don’t think the Sox have the horses to trade for Felix.
Why wouldn’t they just sign Lackey? He would fit the bill in Boston. Unfortunately.
do the Yanks stand pat with a back end of
Joba
Phil, IPK Gaudan?, Wang (later) and look to make a trade at the deadline if its not working out
another buy low/high reward option would be Justin Duchsherer.
betsy
November 9th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
AJ is going to be much better next year…..and he was hardly bad this year.
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Care to bet the ranch on that prediction? No where in AJ’s history does it show that he will be any better or worse than he was this past year and the other 9+ years he’s pitched…actually if history is repeated next year will be the year that he goes on the DL for an extended period…
Rich Harden, anyone? buy low on him. He got filthy stuff when healthy
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last but not least. Congrats on the championship, brother. What a year : )
Oh one more thing…..
Hughes in AAA? Did you watch any baseball this season?
If they didn’t send him to AAA this year, what on earth makes you think he’s going to pitch in AAA next year after dominating in the 8th inning?
Barring injury, Joba and Hughes have pitched their last innings of minor league baseball. The fact that people are debating this fact is comical.
“last but not least. Congrats on the championship, brother. What a year”
you too dude. cant wait for 2010.
I can see The Yanks making a strong bid for Lackey, and then use Joba and some young parts to obtain an outfielder……Money is the Yanks greatest resourse, and before Selig pushes for a more decisive Salary Cap system to present to the player union, you better take advatage of the current system……Lackey & Chapman
Wow. Lots of news out of Boston. Earlier, they picked up V-mart, now they’ve declined Varitek’s $5m option, and look to tear up the perpetual $4m option for Wake with a new incentive-based contract!
ED
If i could get Harden and his 10.91 k/9 for a 7-8M base + incentive deal for 1 year, I jump all over that. There is no risk on a 1 year deal and the Yankees will have very good depth at AAA next year in case he goes down with an injury.
Re-sign Andy and stand pat!
The only thing about putting Hughes back into the rotation is that everybody knows he’s as soft as soggy parade confetti.
Which makes re-signing Johnny Damon all the more important.
King Felix is too much. What they need is an expendable innings guy. They can start Joba in the minors to get his innings in and keep Phil in the rotation. They also have Wang, who will more than likely be rehabbing the entire season. I think expecting him mid season is really pushing it.
This is of course assuming that Pettitte is coming back. Should Pettitte decide to retire then $*U#@()$!!
CR9
November 9th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
I heard the Phils are looking at Halladay.
If they get Halladay now, can you imagine the anger of their fans and the laughter among Yankees fans.
Imagine if they had Lee and Halladay this year, which was completely doable considering the garbage they gave up for Lee.
I know things would play out differently, but would anybody have been surprised to see the Phils beat the Yanks 4-2 in the WS with both of them.
Thank God that the Phillies were not smart enough to try and get as many aces as he could with the talent he had. JA Happ has lost a lot of his trade value since the trade deadline.
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the phillies just declined the $5.5 million option on pedro feliz – yes the guy who hit a decent .266 with 12 hrs and 82 rbi out of the 7 hole in the lineup and played gold glove 3rd base AND hit a huge homerun against Joba in the World series…
if they are nickel and diming this guy they will not trade the rest of their dwindling minor league stars for someone that they won’t be able to sign after this year since he’ll be looking at 17 million per year…
“He’s our property this year and next year . . . “. That ridiculous euphemism has bugged me for years and it’s a pet peeve only so please pass on by if you don’t feel the same but Felix is not their “property”. Their rights under the contract and interest in the contract are their property not Felix. Some time ago we fought a long and nasty war in this country to prove that point.
“another buy low/high reward option would be Justin Duchsherer.”
Justin Duchsherer has all kinds of issues that need to looked into. He has (had?) a bad piching arm; a chronic disease-irritable bowel syndrome; and he suffers from clinical depression.
Phil
Joba
IPK
Mitre
Gaudan
Aceves (maybe)
Wang (later)
7 guys for 2 spots assuming Andy stays – which he will
Since we havent even been champions for a full week yet, I’m in a “if it aint broke, don’t fix it” mood.
CC, AJ, Andy, Joba and Phil works plenty fine for me.
Joba can pitch a semi normal season next year, right?
“If i could get Harden and his 10.91 k/9 for a 7-8M base + incentive deal for 1 year, I jump all over that. There is no risk on a 1 year deal and the Yankees will have very good depth at AAA next year in case he goes down with an injury.”
I rather have Harden or Duchscher (sp) filling in the 4th starter role, rather then signing Lackey and giving him Burnett kind of contract.
Hal and Hank say THANKS!
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....found.html
Tom,
thanks for pointing that out. I will take back what I said, about wanting him.
“if it aint broke, don’t fix it”
I hope nexr October we have 4 relaible starters – not 3.
Joba or Phil will be in the pen again (post season).
Likely…
MLB
Sabathia
Burnett
Pettitte
Chamberlain
Gaudin or Aceves
AAA
Hughes (control innings & up in may)
Wang
Kennedy
Mcallister
Nova
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
November 9th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Joba can pitch a semi normal season next year, right?
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Based on what?
If it’s this past season, no way.
If he shows up to spring training in shape and with his old velocity back then maybe.
There will never be a Salary cap in baseball and the Players Union will never approve of one.
Just because other teams don’t want to invest there money doesn’t mean that a salary cap should be in place.
I believe that:
(A) adding a solid veteran to the starting rotation and
(B) clarifying and revamping our OF
are our 2 biggest objectives this off season.
We could totally solidify our entire Pitching Staff if we:
(1) Acquire Roy Halladay for our Starting Rotation(it seems the asking price will be much less than it was supposed to be back at the Trading Deadline – let’s see exactly what it is now).
(2) If Hughes or Joba are not involved in a Halladay Deal, then I would put Joba in the Pen as Mariano’s Primary Set Up Man, with Hughes starting the Season as the # 5 Starter.
(3) Get creative and keep Wang – let him rehab – (remember we extended a similar courtesy to a “non-home-grown” Yankee in Jon Lieber) – and have Wang replace Hughes in the Rotation in late July – early August, when Hughes’ Innings should be getting up there – AND – then move Hughes to the Pen for the remainder of the 2010 Season.
Wouldn’t this be a pretty impressive – and dominant – Pitching Staff: (with suggested roles)
SP #1 = CC
SP #2 = Halladay
SP #3 = AJ
SP #4 = Pettite
SP #5 = Hughes / Wang
Long Man = Aceves
Long Man / Spot Starter = Gaudin
Closer = Mariano
Set Up = Joba
Lefty Specialist = Marte
Bridge = Robertson
Remaining RHP BP Candidates = Melancon/Mitre/Kennedy/Garcia
Remaining LHP BP Candidates = Coke/DeLaRosa/Dunn
Obviuosly, nothing here is set in stone, and there will be a need to build some flexibility into the Pitching Staff.
However, going into 2010, I would be very encouraged about our ability to defend our World Championship Title with a core Rotation and Bull Pen as outlined above.
This could all be accomplished by obtaining Roy Halladay.
Remember, during the course of 2009, we had to rely on RP’s like Jose Veras, Edwar Ramirez, Jonathan Albaladejo and an oft injured Brian Bruney.
Plus, even though Roy Halladay is 32 years old, we could still nuture and grow our future Pitchers down on the Farm – with less pressure on them – while Halladay is here (1 year remaining on his contract with a ~3-4 year extension).
What do you Guys think of this idea for our Pitching Staff?
Based on what?
If it’s this past season, no way.
If he shows up to spring training in shape and with his old velocity back then maybe.
I just meant innings wise – I won’t try to predict his performance
CC (hes now familiar with NY)
AJ (maybe with better run support than 09 he wins 2-3 more games)
Pettitte (1yr deal)
Joba (no innings limit let this kid rip)
Hughes (innings limit in 2010=starter until mid July/August and to the pen for the stretch run)
Perhaps a better rotation than 2009?
Honorable mention
Wang (hopefully ready to step in July/August for Hughes)
Aceves (Joba/Hughes falter Ace gets shot to start)
Kennedy (pitching extremely well since injury)
Nova (dont think hes ready yet too many bb)
Gaudin (good enough for some to make a start in WS?)
Mitre (I hope not but he was a #5 for part of 2009)
Trade Deadline (evaluate your first half and make deal if neccesary. There will be plenty of prospects)
I know Joba/Hughes same rotation is a risk but Jobas era was 3.50 through his first 100 IP then the Joba Rules (5days rest/3inning outings) kicked in. Lets see what he can do with no limits. Dont say velocity is down because hes starting. His velocity wasnt down when he started in the minors. Hughes is not going to be a reliever for the rest of his career. Lets get him starting (limit his innings but not as much as Joba) and then send him to the pen for the stretch run to keep innings down.
Ian Kennedy is another arm that could contribute as a starter next year if a few starters get injured.
Wang is done on the Yankees and probably done as a winning pitcher in general. If I was wrong on that I’d be surprised.
You could also see McCallister making his big league debut in 2010.
Bottom line, there are a LOT of options for starters in 2010. If the front office operates even close to the way I think it does, Lackey isn’t even a consideration for them right now.
Same mindset regarding trading for Felix. They aren’t tearing apart their team to get a starter they don’t need. I know he’s amazing but they don’t need him. What they would have to give up would substantially weaken their team and chances of winning.
The next FA pitcher they bid on might very well be King Felix after 2011. At that point they would only have AJ under contract for 2 more years and it would make sense. I find it hard to believe they will add another huge FA starting pitcher before that.
Carl Pavano is somehow a Type B free agent. But Hideki Matsui is not.
Does this mean he is a type A? Because if so, i have to say DUHHHHHH. Matsui is worth 5 of a Carl Pavano.
The Yankees are going to get another starter. We don’t know what we are going to get from Joba, Hughes, or Wang. We can’t go with a 3 man rotation again so waiting for Andy and standing pat is stupid. We need another top flight starter. Then the Yankees would have the best rotation in baseball.
Joba is ready for 185 innings next year. That’s pretty close to normal if they pull him after 6 in most games
“I don’t think the Sox have the horses to trade for Felix.”
Horses? The Yanks have horses don’t they? Isn’t there a Steinbrenner horse farm or something.
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
November 9th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Based on what?
If it’s this past season, no way.
If he shows up to spring training in shape and with his old velocity back then maybe.
I just meant innings wise – I won’t try to predict his performance
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Anything is possible.
If the performance doesn’t improve, will Joba get the chance to pitch more innings?
IPK’s a dark horse to see some rotation time in the bigs next year, IMO. Gaudin too may be a credible, affordable 5th starter.
As I see it the key is the 4th starter as #1 through 3 appear to be set and the 5th starter is usually a crap shoot anyway. I think Hughes and Joba fight it out for #4 position with the loser going to the bullpen.
Lackey is no Cliff Lee. I’m not spending big money on him when I have some options in Hughes and Chamberlain, only one of which has to pan out to complete the 2010 rotation. Lackey is a bulldog, but is 31. Not ancient, but completely against what Cash is doing.
I guess a lot depends on how CMW looks by April. Non-tendering him is silly. They have him now, they can afford to keep him and release him by mid-season if it doesn’t work out. This lets the internal options play out first. I think they stay out of the FA pitching market other than to pick up a second or third tier name.
Dodgers are going to make a strong push for Lackey or pull a trade for Halladay. This may be why Torre is thinking of managing beyond 2010.
Speaking of Torre, did he text any of the core four to congratulate them on that elusive fifth ring?
Nick in SF in Vallejo
November 9th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
If the performance doesn’t improve, will Joba get the chance to pitch more innings?
should be interesting – again.
Miggs,
Felix will likely be a free agent at 26 when Sabathia’s agent cant help himself and opts out of remaining 4 years when CC is still only 30.
And I don’t know why people keep on talking about getting low risk/ high reward pitchers. Didn’t we learn anything when the Red Sox got Smoltz and Penny and they sucked !
Get reliable top flight starters, not garbage !
i love hearing boston talk about martinez like he is the best catcher ever. ONE, his hitting numbers are not spectacular unless you look at them vs. varitek. TWO, he CANNOT CATCH!!!
murphydog: you think CMW is worth $5 million-ish for 2010?
I think the Pettitte situation will be resolved a lot earlier this year.
The Yankees will offer more guaranteed money than they did last year and I believe Pettitte had a great time this year and has a stronger desire to return now than he did then.
The biggest obstacle was always waiting on Andy to make up his mind. His hesitancy last year cost him money. If the rumors are true, he’s already decided he wants to come back.
For all those reasons I think Andy is signed up by Thanksgiving.
who are the 2011 free agents they could trade for mid- season? if need be
Felix will likely be a free agent at 26 when Sabathia’s agent cant help himself and opts out of remaining 4 years when CC is still only 30.
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Not gonna happen. No way CC gets more than 23M/Year anywhere else. Burnett and Drew opted out and got more money. No benefit for CC to do that.
CMW not going to get 5 M this year. Yankees will likely offer him 2 or 3 and add incentives… Especially since we dont even know when he is going to be ready to play.
miggs-I agree about Pettitte. I think it will be a rather quick process as compared to last winter.
lackey on a 3 year deal would be a steal. in they went 3/50, it might (?) be enough
JK….. CC is on the record as saying he won’t opt out. As a man of high character, I doubt he’d go back on his word, especially after how much fun he looked to be having this year.
I know, you could always say “that’s business” but think about it. He’s going to be making 23-24 million for the 4 years after his opt out. How much more can he make? I don’t see salaries going up between now and then (for all we know they could be lower then). Is he going to opt out so just so he can add a year or 2 to his deal? I doubt it.
But $5 million is the price tag unless they non-tender him, no?
Wang should go for incentives based on his 2009 results: $5 mil per win.
tex’s friend
The Boston Media is already getting the hype machine ready for any move Theo does. The fact of the matter is that the Yankees are still better than the Red Sox and are the team to beat. Second, there is no way that the Sox are getting Halladay, Felix, or Adrian because there farm products are not that good. The Sox will finish second yet again in the AL East.
Nick in SF in Vallejo
November 9th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Re-sign Andy and stand pat!
The only thing about putting Hughes back into the rotation is that everybody knows he’s as soft as soggy parade confetti.
Which makes re-signing Johnny Damon all the more important.
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You just earned a “Get out of being Hissed at” Card. Congratulations. Please use it wisely
Just a reminder…
THE YANKEES ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wang would be lucky to get 1 million.
I still don’t understand why so many posters seem convinced he can return to 2007 form.
He may not even be able to pitch at all next year, let alone effectively.
It took him a year to return from his foot injury and he still stunk when he came back. As a notoriously slow healer with big injury risk and injury history, I find it hard to believe he’s going to meet the optimistic predictions of an August return.
Thanks, Erica. The last thing I need is Another Hiss.
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
November 9th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
THE YANKEES ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow did somebody just say Joba can go to AAA…..
guys listen forget about Lackey Cash is not interested…Cash is not drafting and acquiring all of the young high end pitchers just to sign older pitchers to bloated contracts only to block the spots for these guys…
as Miggs said Cash is commited to bringing Joba and Hughes along as starters and there time is now.
if i were GM for the Yanks here is what I’d do;
a-let Damon go and offer Matsui 1yr @ no more than 8mil…if he gets more somewhere else i’m fine going into the season with Miranda as my “primary” DH with Posada taking DH abs against tough lefties..
2-I’d sign Ankiel for 2yrs/10mil,start him in CF and move him to RF when AJax comes up
3-let Bruney go and sign Rafael Soriano…with Hughes as my 5th starter and Bruney gone i promote Melancon and sign Soriano who was prob the best closer in the NL second half of the season…if Mo gets hurt he becomes my closer and Joba stays in my rotation…otherwise i’ve got Soriano/Marte for the 8th with Melancon/DRob/Coke/Ace and maybe Mike Dunn(lefty throws 97) rounding out my pen…
4-$25mil/5 mil for Aroldis Chapman send him to Trenton to get him started in the organization and polish him up for a year…
5-eat whatever i need to eat to trade Igawa to the NL to free up the roster spot in SWB for DeLaRosa/Kontos/Chapman when they are ready to comeup
6-Pettite is a no brainer you give him Arb and bring him bak 1yr 12-12.5mil
miggs: don’t blame the victim.
When The Ace pitcher from one of the top teams in baseball becomes available you have to take a very hard and long look at that situation…….Murph, man I just came back from NYC a few days ago and I just want to express my deepest thoughts and wishes for you and your family….I just went thru this in 07 & 06 with my Goldens…..It gets better, but it very goes away…..Hang in there..I’m so sorry !!!!
miggs – GTLU Reigning Champion
November 9th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Wang would be lucky to get 1 million.
I still don’t understand why so many posters seem convinced he can return to 2007 form.
He may not even be able to pitch at all next year, let alone effectively.
It took him a year to return from his foot injury and he still stunk when he came back. As a notoriously slow healer with big injury risk and injury history, I find it hard to believe he’s going to meet the optimistic predictions of an August return.
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so you can definitely say this about wang but in a previous entry you actually said that ian kenneday could be a legitimate contributor next year? what has kennedy shown you that would lead you to believe he can contribute more than wang – other than he is able to throw a ball in april and wang won’t be able until june..
We are ALL just speculating. No need to call people out. Really.
champ809
November 9th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Wow did somebody just say Joba can go to AAA…..
guys listen forget about Lackey Cash is not interested…Cash is not drafting and acquiring all of the young high end pitchers just to sign older pitchers to bloated contracts only to block the spots for these guys…
as Miggs said Cash is commited to bringing Joba and Hughes along as starters and there time is now.
if i were GM for the Yanks here is what I’d do;
a-let Damon go and offer Matsui 1yr @ no more than 8mil…if he gets more somewhere else i’m fine going into the season with Miranda as my “primary” DH with Posada taking DH abs against tough lefties..
2-I’d sign Ankiel for 2yrs/10mil,start him in CF and move him to RF when AJax comes up
3-let Bruney go and sign Rafael Soriano…with Hughes as my 5th starter and Bruney gone i promote Melancon and sign Soriano who was prob the best closer in the NL second half of the season…if Mo gets hurt he becomes my closer and Joba stays in my rotation…otherwise i’ve got Soriano/Marte for the 8th with Melancon/DRob/Coke/Ace and maybe Mike Dunn(lefty throws 97) rounding out my pen…
4-$25mil/5 mil for Aroldis Chapman send him to Trenton to get him started in the organization and polish him up for a year…
5-eat whatever i need to eat to trade Igawa to the NL to free up the roster spot in SWB for DeLaRosa/Kontos/Chapman when they are ready to comeup
6-Pettite is a no brainer you give him Arb and bring him bak 1yr 12-12.5mil
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welcome 3rd place finish in 2010…
Another reason for not signing Lackey…..
There is NO WAY the Yankees go into next season with 3 pitchers 30 or older signed for the next 4-6 years.
That would mean in addition to having CC signed through age 35 and Burnett signed through age 37, they would have Lackey signed through age 35.
No bleeping way!
what makes us think wang can come around?
because he was starting to when he hurt his shoulder, likely from the motion of pitching with the weak leg.
For a few mil, there is no reason not to bring back wang and see if he can get it back, which most of us surely believe he will.
Miggs-
If Carl American Idol Pavano can comeback and contribute to a major league team then anyone can!!
Nick in SF in Vallejo
November 9th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Thanks, Erica. The last thing I need is Another Hiss.
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Look at it this way, I only HISSSS at people I like. Otherwise, I don’t take the time and I just ignore you
Do any of you know what Cash is going to do ? No !
No one thought Cash was going after Tex and look what happened. The point is that we can assume all we want but we don’t know what the organization is going to do.
Lackey has supposively rebuffed a previous 3/$40M offer from the Angles. Maybe he preferred an obtuse angle to an acute one.
whoa nelly what are you talking about?
Ian Kennedy will go into spring training as our 9th or 10th starter. Yeah he could contribute if a lot of guys get hurt. They’re hardly counting on him to lead the staff.
And I’d much rather see a 23 year old improving Ian Kennedy get that chance over a 30 year old washed up Ching Ming Wang.Yeah I said it. He’s washed up.
He also won’t be able to pitch until August at the earliest. So that basically makes your comment irrelavent.
What’s the deal with Nady?
Miggs
i disagree with you regarding Wang…i think he will be re-signed to an incentive laden 2yr deal with the idea that he can rehab and be ready for Julyish…
i also believe he will return to his prior form with that devastating sinker and make our staff that much better.
even though he struggled at times this season and we know it was because of the injury he also had flashes of getting it back together before the shoulder injury. He’s our guy and i hope is able to come all the way back as a dominant sinkerballer in our stadium with our improved defense is a perfect combination..
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
November 9th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
What’s the deal with Nady?
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If Nady had TJ surgary in the middle of the season isn’t he out almost all of 2010? That is a year and a half recovery
miggs – GTLU Reigning Champion
November 9th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Another reason for not signing Lackey…..
There is NO WAY the Yankees go into next season with 3 pitchers 30 or older signed for the next 4-6 years.
That would mean in addition to having CC signed through age 35 and Burnett signed through age 37, they would have Lackey signed through age 35.
No bleeping way!
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this just in – the yankees won the World Series for the most part with a 38 year old starter winning all of the clinching games and A 40 YEAR OLD PITCHER closing those games out…
if the pitcher is good age doesn’t really come into play – look at mussina, clemens, johnson, schilling, moyer, tommy john, (get the idea…) also 35 isn’t that old in terms of pitchers…
The Yanks will non tender Wang and then hope to sign him to a minor league deal. In a perfect world he won’t be ready to contribute until around the all star break. And we all know the world is rarely perfect.
Someone will offer Wang a 2 yr deal where he can rehab in the 1st yr and pitch in the 2nd.
Wang will have to decide if he wants to stay in NY.
3/50 is a steal?
since when?
The Yanks will non tender Wang and then hope to sign him to a minor league deal. In a perfect world he won’t be ready to contribute until around the all star break. And we all know the world is rarely perfect.
Someone will offer Wang a 2 yr deal where he can rehab in the 1st yr and pitch in the 2nd.
Wang will have to decide if he wants to stay in NY.
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Wang is young enough that i think the yankees stick with him.
The Yankees will continue to make free gent moves and hold on to the farm. So even if they have pitchers over 30 they can replace them. Some of you need to remember that the Yankees compete every year and they don’t stand pat. The goal is to win a World Series every year and that will never change.
Im not a dr but I was a starting pitcher for 4 years at a very respectable college school as well as a very respectable organization in Newark NJ afterwards. It is very important to have leg strength. I would bet that CMWs arm injury had a lot to do with the foot injury. If his foot was not fully healed (which obviously it wasnt because his first trip to the DL in 2009 was to regain lower body strength) CMW would use his arm to make up for the lack of leg strength. This puts GREAT stress on the shoulder. With a year to work on his leg strength and another year to regain arm strength CMW should be ready to perform at least close to 100%.
It’s a steal in terms of years. Lackey will sign for lots of years and lots of dollars. He’s this year’s “CC” without the deep pockets of the Yankees to dip into.
hold on to the farm, unless we can get josh johnson. that dude is gude.
We need to remember the rumors about Hal agreeing to let Cash sign Tex only if Cash agreed to cut payroll this off season.
It came from enough sources that I think it’s credible. The question is: Has Hal chaged his mind? Did the World Series soften him up?
If not, this off season could be filled with small moves and it won’t be Cashman’s fault.
Its the length of the commitments genius.
You’re one of those guys that just expects the team to buy every big name, no matter the cost or future ramifications to the team.
The pitchers you used as examples are the exception not the rule. You basically used 6 names of successful older pitchers over a span of 25 years. Good work.
“a 30 year old washed up Ching Ming Wang.Yeah I said it. He’s washed up.”
Erica-
Pitchers take about a year and a half to recover from TJ. I believe postion players can make it back in about 1 years time.
Nick I’d love to be wrong regarding Wang, but I don’t think I am.
He’s this year’s “CC” without the deep pockets of the Yankees to dip into.
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More like this year’s burnett.
Lackey is not nearly as dominant as CC.
Folks, don’t forget CC has an out clause after his 3rd year if I’m not mistaken…Now would he leave all that dough on the table, I’d think not…However there’ll always be a market for a Cy Young caliber lefty, especially on the Left Coast…..We are not going to see Young Master Hughes & Joba in the rotation together next Spring…..Wang is a maybe by the All-Star break chucking @ the AA level….Halladay is going to cost top tier player still and a large check…..Yanks do not have a # 2 starter and they need a corner outfielder or a resal CF…..Montero is at least 2 years away from taking over Matsui’s DH role….Yanks are loaded with young catchers and young pitchers, so that’s where the of situation gets resolved…..All I’m saying is the Front Office will be looking for a pitcher this winter and Lackey will be on the top of the list…….
And the Yankees did win with a rotation during the Dyansty years that had many starters over the age of 30. Wells, Cone, Clemens, Orlando Hernandez, were all over 30 except Andy.
The post predicting the Yankees offering CMW a 2 year deal gave me my good laugh for the day.
They didn’t want to offer him a long term contract back in 2007 (when he was winning 19 games consistently) before the first of his two CONSECUTIVE season ending injuries.
They’re going to give him 2 years now? I’d love to take wagers on that happening.
Here’s my scenario:
Yanks sign Pedro Martinez and he becomes King of Baseball rendering Bud Selig powerless.
King Pedro(The 1st) then suspends and exiles all opposing pitchers with an ERA under 6.83(The Mitre Line).
Yankees run the table indefinitely.
Jeremy, You’re making too much sense for many to grasp….
Only meant that in Lackey is this year’s #1 FA pitcher. In a worse market!
MR.OCTOBER
November 9th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Erica-
Pitchers take about a year and a half to recover from TJ. I believe postion players can make it back in about 1 years time.
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Okay, he had the surgery at the very end of June. At best he’d be back around the all-star break
whoa nelly
“welcome 3rd place finish in 2010…”
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how do you figure that?
our overall pitching staff would be better with a much better bullpen…we’d have more depth to withstand injuries to our staff…imo our starting staff will be better with a better Joba no rules,more consistency from AJ and more consistency from the 5th starter spot from Hughes with the Yanks learning from the mistakes in the Joba rules program of this year.
Our outfield defense would be 10 times better with Ankiel in CF and Melky/Gardner in LF which makes our pitching staff at least half a run better…
and our offense would probably be just as good as we’ll have a healthy ARod for a full season and i think that Ankiel could provide more power than Damon.If Long can get me .280avg i’ll take the 110-120ks as he’ll hit 35+hrs in our lineup…
how is Boston and the Rays or Toronto going to leapfrog us…with improved pitching and defense with our offense i think that team could win 105-110 games and defend our title.If we are a lil short we’ll still have all of our chips to make the right move at the deadline…but there is certainly no need to throw $100+mil at either Holliday/Bay or Lackey or worse trade Joba/Montero/Ajax for Halladay and then give him $100 mil to improve a team that ran over everybody on it’s way to 114wins and the championship
i can’t believe matsui is “no compensation”. good thing we’re goign to resign him and tell elias to …
Doreen or pat,
Are either of you around? Looking for ciabatta baking advice…
I’m sorry but Lackey is better than Burnett. He is more reliable, has a more stable career, and has really good postseason numbers. He is a solid number 2. Burnett should be a number 3.
miggs –
i don’t think ian kenneday will be sniffing the starting rotation anytime soon – OK maybe he will if:
1) CC goes into the offseason training by eating 3 dozen krispy kreme doughnuts a day for 4 straight months
2) AJ follows his tru calling by retiring from baseball and becoming a pastry chef
3) Andy thinking pitching for the Astros is a good idea Part Deux
4) The yankees aren’t able to convince mike mussina, bob gibson and sandy koufax to come out of retirement
5) JOba and hughes going the way of Jimmy Hoffa
6)the yankees aren’t able to bring Cy Young, walter johnson and cristy mathewson back from the dead…
then and only then will ian kennedy contribute – basically he is one of those players that becomes part of a trade for someone that actually will play for the yankees…
the yankees need to get the joba and hughes ships straightened out before they revisit kennedey as a starter – thats my opinion of course, i could be wrong…
miggs, I won $25 from commenter Patrick last week, I’d be happy to put it at risk with you.
Not betting length or terms, but I’m willing to bet that the Yanks come to terms with Wang and he is under contract before the season starts.
Miggs
the Yanks as a philosophy don’t do long term contracts with arb players….they didn’t for Jeter,Mo,Pettite,Bernie,Posada nobody…Cano was theonly exception to that rule that they’ve made and certainly not to a pitcher…i doubt that Cash will do it with Joba or Phil when the time comes either…
by 2yrs i mean 1yr witha vesting option that would kick in based on innings or roster days or something
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The first injury was a freak thing. The second was probably (though not definitely) a result of poor rehab on the first, putting stress on an already fragile shoulder.
If no foot injury, probably no shoulder injury.
I think they make some attempt to keep Wang. Though I would think it’s more in line with a minor league deal.
PAT M.
LOL ! Yeah I am making reasonable comments but no one seems to care.
Nick in SF in Vallejo
November 9th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
miggs, I won $25 from commenter Patrick last week, I’d be happy to put it at risk with you.
Not betting length or terms, but I’m willing to bet that the Yanks come to terms with Wang and he is under contract before the season starts.
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Can I go in with Miggs??? Nick, I like Wang too- but I don’t see him coming back
Wang is going to have a tough time in the open market. Harden, Sheets, Duschere (sp?), and him are all in the same boat as very good pitchers in their prime with serious injury issues.
Race to the Bronx. Who starts a game first, IPK or Wang?
Miggs,
The annual salary will not be the issue with CC’s agent, it will be the years. Burnett just got 5 years @ 32! Why stay signed for 4 years @ 23M per year when you can easily get 19-20M elsewhere or 20-23M from the Yankees for 5-6 more years @ 31.
Just my thoughts with attachment of Type A and B FA’s.
Lackey- Angels should and can afford to offer him arbitration, which will make him less appealing to some teams. Plus he’s been injured the last two seasons and is probably looking for AJ type contract. Doubt the Yankees will be players.
Figgins-Forget it. Type A and no factor in playoffs with Yankees.
Halladay- Would cost us a ton plus then have to sign him to a long term deal and he’s older.
Soriano is a closer and will command closer money. Will not be an option for us as our setup guy IMO.
Offer Damon, a Type A arbitration. At worst it’s one year and 15M.
A lot of teams had lower attendance and will not be looking at high priced free agents. One area you should look at, if someone has the site, is arbitration eligible players. There is where we might trade some prospects for another starter and outfielder.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/1.....-released/
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I’m here; what do you need to know?
Nady is a free agent
Red Sox will get Scutaro.
Erica, you can have your own $25 bet if you’d like. No sharing.
Nick in SF, I want a piece of that action…Wang will be back in Pinstripes
Gambling is illegal at Bushwood.
m
November 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Race to the Bronx. Who starts a game first, IPK or Wang?
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I’m really hoping they can work out something with him.
Wang. Just the eternal optimist in me talking.
this just in – the yankees won the World Series for the most part with a 38 year old starter winning all of the clinching games and A 40 YEAR OLD PITCHER closing those games out…
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Lohud needs a “like” button.
Nick in SF in Vallejo
November 9th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Erica, you can have your own $25 bet if you’d like. No sharing.
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Wang will not be back. Your $25 is mine
Jeremy, it’s that time of the year….You were here last off season right ???? It was special to say the least
how is billy wagner a type A and matsui nada?
billy missed a year with TJS, and Matsui hit for one of his better seasons with the Yanks.
Wang will be back; but Kennedy gets a start first.
Personally, I’d like to avoid Lackey. Very good pitcher that will cost more than he’s worth in $$$ and length.
And yes, I do care about our team’s payroll. I’d like to see it come down. I’m tired of financing other teams’ rosters (Rays in ‘08 comes to mind on how it affects us directly) and I’m tired of absurd ticket prices at the stadium.
Not that I expect ticket prices to come down, but how about slowing down making them even worse?
We spent a lot of cash on CC and Burnett out of necessity. Moose retired and Wang was hurt… we NEEDED a new #1 and #2.
Thankfully, that need isn’t present. We don’t have to overpay on a John Lackey. We have options from within, and there are cheaper choices to be had doe depth purposes.
I tried a recipe that called for the whole mass of dough to rise on a wax paper lined with cornmeal, and then to flip it after it rises directly onto the baking stone.
I want to try it with individual size pieces of dough onto a cornmeal-lined parchment paper, let it rise, and slide the parchment directly onto on a baking sheet or stone. (The stone created a thicker crust than I would’ve liked)
How do you Italians do it?
Ok, Erica, it’s on.
Pat M, make your own bets!
kennedy has the better chance to start first because wang wont be ready until the summer. no doubt someone will be forced to miss a start or go to the DL, and there will be ian kennedy to try again.
PAT M.
Yeah I was here. Yeah just that time of the year. But I think next year will be even better for some reason.
Yankee Trader
Soriano hasa been a closer for 2 months and prior to that has always been a set-up man. While his agent would love for him to get “closer $” it ain’t happening as he does not have the body of work ie years closing that a Wagner,Valverde,Cordero even Street have so his dollars will be lower..but a 2yr deal with the Yanks at 5mil per to setup for Mo and possibly take the role if Mo’s hurt or is done after next year would i’m sure be attractive to him. imo
just my opinion:
YANKEES NEEDS TO DO 3 things:
ONE: sign 1 or 2 Starters depending on ANDY’s decision, and i dont care who, just a get a decent starter…. (we all know what happend if we depend on our youth in the rotation last 2008, joba and hughes)
TWO: get 1 or 2 GOOD/decenrt outfielder.. again, i dont care who… just get one..
its good though if we can get Holliay, to protect A-rod in the lineup.. coz Posada doesnt cut it.
THREE: sign Damon, most of u guys will argue to sign Matsui instead… but, he doesnt play the outfield anymore, and Posada needs to DH sometimes and nobody hits better in the 2hole than damon… and i think swisher wil be good coming off the bench…
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My favorite Jewish baking lady, Rose Levy Beranbaum, has this suggestion:
After the first 15 minutes of baking, lift the ciabatta off the parchment and then bake it directly on the stone for the crispest possible bottome. The final 5 minutes in the offen with the heat off adn the door open ensures a crisp top crust.
If you don’t want it so puffy, make sure you “dimple” the dough before putting it into the oven. (Use your fingertips to make dimples in the dough (1 inch apart) and elongate the dough somewhat in the process. (Probably closer together if you’re making dinner roll size)
BJK
Can we really say that we can count on Wang, Joba, Hughes or anyone else in the organization at this point ?
We can’t. We can’t take that risk again and rely on 3 pitchers to carry the Yankees to the World Series. I rather go with what is known than an unknown commodity.
ONE: sign 1 or 2 Starters depending on ANDY’s decision, and i dont care who, just a get a decent starter…. (we all know what happend if we depend on our youth in the rotation last 2008, joba and hughes)
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this is different. phil and kennedy were both rookies, with no consistant starting experience. Joba is not in that category anymore.
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The dimpling reduces air bubbles, so it won’t get puffy.
THREE: sign Damon, most of u guys will argue to sign Matsui instead… but, he doesnt play the outfield anymore, and Posada needs to DH sometimes and nobody hits better in the 2hole than damon… and i think swisher wil be good coming off the bench…
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who is playing right if swisher is on the bench?
damon and holliday are both left fielders. i dont see holliday agreeing to move to right, and damon’s arm has no business in right.
The only good free agent pitcher without significant risk is Lackey. Harden was shut down in September. Duscherer barely pitched last year and suffers from severe depression. Sheets couldn’t pitch last year. Garland is admittedly not great, but at least he typically goes 6 or 7 innings.
Reality is Pettitte come back or Lackey is the only realistic replacement.
still cannot get over wagner as a type -a. so for one month, boston can get two picks if they offered arb (even if they agreed not to), but matsui and his 7 years on the yankees and most of them dominant, we get nothing if we lose him?
Doreen,
Thanks. I love Rose’s Cake Bible & Christmas Cookies book.
So, bake on parchment on stone, then take off parchment and finish on stone. Correct?
champ809-
Soriano is definetely worth looking into, but I still feel he’ll get more money and more years. Look at Kiko Calero’s stats last year for the Marlins. Might be worth a look. Older, more experience. As it was in the playoffs, only Marte and Rivera were reliable.
Calero 1.89 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, 57 innings 35 hits 1 homer, .183 batting average against, equally effective against righties and lefties.
I like puffy, but this recipe had a lot of air bubbles even when it deflated a bit when I flipped it onto the stone.
It’s for sandwich rolls.
But I think I’ll dimple it a bit because I won’t be flipping it this time.
hey all i have two seconds to type this but did you hear about varitek? amazing, right? It’s about time they let him go, though. Do ya think he’ll make the decision to stay or just let them let him go?
tex’s friend,
I think it’s the last 2 years of their performance.
Varitek would be foolish not to take his player option.
does it include the year when he became world series mvp?
Thank’s for sharing Nick in SF……By the way, did you clean up on the Yanks in 09…….For me they hit every ticket for me……Very nice payday they provided for me…..
Cashman: No debate Yankees are team of the decade
November 9, 2009 04:28 PM
CHICAGO – World Series champion general manager Brian Cashman of the New York Yankees was asked ‘Who is the team of the decade, Boston or New York?”
“I dont think it’s even close. The numbers speak for themselves. Is there a debate?
“All that really matters is 2009, right now. The rest of it is what ever it is,” Cashman said as he arrived here for the meetings.
Cashman asked whether he’s still celebrating the Yankee championship said, “I don’t think I ever celebrated. It’s business now. It’s all about 2010.”
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....tra_bases/
Jeremy
November 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
BJK
Can we really say that we can count on Wang, Joba, Hughes or anyone else in the organization at this point ?
We can’t. We can’t take that risk again and rely on 3 pitchers to carry the Yankees to the World Series. I rather go with what is known than an unknown commodity.
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Jeremy-
You can never have enough starting pitching. That’s a general rule I’m pretty sure we both agree with.
With that said, I am confident that the rotation will be fine without splurging on the likes of John Lackey. He’s just not worth it in my eyes. He’s not an elite pitcher that will cost elite pitcher money.
I think Andy will be back. If he’s not, then I’ll be more open-minded about overpaying for Lackey.
Otherwise. barring injury, you can pretty much ink in our starting 4: CC, AJ, Andy, Joba.
I don’t see why Chad Gaudin isn’t a serviceable #5 starter. Or Hughes depending on how they handle his innings limit. Or whatever other reasonably priced 4th or 5th starter type out there that Cashman can sign or acquire through trade.
That rotation worked this year for the best record in baseball, didn’t it?
enough of this nonesense talk about felix hernandez or roy halladay..
knowing that the marlins are crying poverty, again, what do you think it’ll take to get josh johnson?
i’m thinking it starts with one of hughes or joba and then probabaly an infielder (it looks like they’ll probably get rid of dan uggla and his “big” salary of 5.3 million – by the way his middle name is “cooley”) a catcher and a few more reliever/starter types…
would that be better than signing lackey or trading for halladay…
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Correct.
My Christmas cookie book is falling apart, as is my Cake Bible. She is my go-to author for all things baked.
it amazes me how many fans think the Yanks have to “sign,sign,sign”….we developed and promoted the Jeters,Pettites,Riveras,Williams,Posadas and now the Canos,Jobas,Hughes and others Cash knows the way to go is build from within and season with the right targeted FA’s like CC and Tex and to a lesser extent AJ…but for the Yanks to put themselves in a position to every year be at the mercy of the Boras’ of the world by not developing and holding onto our guys is beyond irresponsible..
Kudos to Cash and the player development department for an outstanding job building a tremendous organization from the ground up and for those of you who are not up to speed regarding the true state of or minor league system and think the talent we have on the horizon ends with Montero,Romine,AJax and Laird i’d suggest you to subscribe to pinstripes plus and educate yourself. We’ve got some MAJOR talent in the pipeline and on the way over the next couple of years
new thread
Why not Duchscherer as a 5th starter..?
In the AFL today, Brandon Laird is 0-4 with 1 strikeout. He’s hitting .333.
Colin Curtis fans will be pleased. He’s 2-4 with a double and a 2 run homer. He’s hitting .368 with 3 homers, 5 doubles and 10 RBIs.
Zach Kroenke pitched a perfect 9th inning.
LOL, Doreen. The Christmas Cookie book fell apart years ago! That was a very poor binding job.
I need to hunt down a Maida Hatter book. Saveur magazine did a feature on her a long time ago, and every recipe I tried was a winner.
i really think that Colin Curtis will be a sleeper for us this year…he’s still young enough has very good glove and can play some center but probably more of a leftfielder…a Chad Curtis type gamer with slightly more upside i think
Pat, why not? Joba will be in the rotation full time and Phil ? Maybe they will skip some of his starts; I just hope they do not give him the Joba treatment. I would prefer he remain away from the pen as he needs to get used to starting again, using all his pitches and that sort of thing. CC loves it here – he’s building his dream house out in Alpine, NJ. I do not think the lure of CA is as strong as you think it is, despite the fact that he is from there.
I myself am not sure what we’ll get again from Melky, but you don’t think he’s capable of holding down the fort again? He’s no great shakes, but neither is he the black hole we feared. Swisher is fine in RF…..Damon? I don’t think he’ll have the same kind of year next year, so I can see what you mean; he’s still a terrific 2 hitter and he’s clutch. I don’t want Bay or Holliday, and this is where the Yankees lack of position prospects hurts them. They have stockpiled young catchers, but Montero off-limits. I like what I read about Romine, so I hope he’s retained; the others? If other teams are high on them (aren’t they in the lower minors, though?), then I agree – the Yankees need to trade one or two of them to maybe bring back some young position prospects; this team is old.
I can’t believe I agree with Miggs, but I do. I don’t see any way the Yankees sign Lackey. AJ will be fine next year…I just don’t see Cash as wanting to continue stockpiling veterans at the expense of the kids ,especially if he has faith in the rotation as it stands now. What, this year it’s Lackey and next year it’s someone else?
“its good though if we can get Holliay, to protect A-rod in the lineup.. coz Posada doesnt cut it.”
If by “doesnt cut it” you mean the Yankees didn’t score the most runs in baseball, didn’t have the highest slugging and OBP in the game, and didn’t have the 2nd highest BA, and didn’t hit the most HRs, and didn’t have the best record in baseball, and didn’t win the division and homefield easily, and didn’t win the World Series with an 11-4 postseason record, then I gotta disagree, because they in fact did ALL those things.
Which begs the question, how exactly are you defining “cutting it”???
In the AFL today, Brandon Laird is 0-4 with 1 strikeout. He’s hitting .333.
Colin Curtis fans will be pleased. He’s 2-4 with a double and a 2 run homer. He’s hitting .368 with 3 homers, 5 doubles and 10 RBIs.
Zach Kroenke pitched a perfect 9th inning.
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Betsy, the Yanks other catchers are Gary Sanchez, who’s only 17 and not elibible to be traded, Kyle Anson and probably the two best defensive catchers who can also hit are Kyle Higashioka and John Farnham. Somebody may take a crack at PJ Pilittere, who’s pretty much a career minor leaguer, but, still just 27-28 years old. Pretty good defense and a stop and go offense. Some will switch positions, some will be traded and some will just amount to nothing much.
For those that are moving Posada into the DH role, keep in mind that in 400+ at bats as a DH and pinch hitter is about a .220 batter with 9 homers and 45 RBI.
Players that show up for early workouts in Tampa generally go on to have successful seasons. The Captain has been doing it for years.
Are you listening, Joba ?
Only about half a day late, but Tom in NJ: “How has the M’s gm “already proven that he’s one of the two or three best in baseball,”? He’s be a gm for 1 year?”
In that one year, they improved by 25 wins. They went from a poor defensive team to the best in baseball. He fleeced the Mets and Indians out of Franklin Gutierrez and into JJ Putz and somehow convinced someone to give up something for Yuniesky Betancourt. I really don’t think there’s another GM in baseball, ‘cept maybe Theo, who could’ve done anything close to what Zduriencik did with that team.
BILL GATES HAS JUMPED ON BOARD,YOU ARE NOW OUT SPENT AND TOAST.