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News and notes from Day 1 of the GM Meetings

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 09, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Actually, the headline is a bit of a lie. There wasn’t much news coming out of the hotel lobby this morning and afternoon, just a handful of noteworthy items.

As you already know, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman preached patience on Monday. Shown here in another bit of iPhone photography, Cashman said he’s not even sure the Yankees will sign a deal by the end of the 15-day window in which they have exclusive access to negotiate with their own free agents. That 15-day window, by the way, started on Thursday.

“I doubt it but I don’t know,” he said. “Right now I can only focus on these meetings. I don’t know what the back end of the 15-day period is going to be like.”

Other things to keep in mind.

• Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui and Andy Pettitte each played well in the playoffs, but don’t expect that to sway the Yankees decision on whether to bring them back. “What they were when they went into October, that’s what they still are regardless of how well or how poorly they played in October,” Cashman said.

• Last year’s addition of Mark Teixeira came with this year’s free agent market in mind. “You look at the available free agent market going forward,” Cashman said. “We felt like we were going to need that type of impact bat, and we needed to move on it last year because this year those type of bats weren’t going to be as available.”

• Decisions about the 2010 role of Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain have yet to be made. Same thing with Austin Jackson. “Austin had a terrific year,” Cashman said. “We’ll have our internal meetings (about) whether he’s ready to take it over.” Cashman stressed several times that nothing is off the table.

• One thing Cashman feels likely to accomplish during the GM Meetings is getting a firm grasp of the trade market. “I’m open minded,” he said. ”I’m not looking into anything other than I’m going to come in here and look at what the trade market is, then we’ll gather all of our pro scouts together. We’ll take a strategy from there.”

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Some links to check out…

The free agent compensation rankings.

MLBTradeRumors Top 50 free agents.
Including guesses of where they’ll end up.

Interesting Jerry Crasnick article.
Crasnick asked eight questions to 20 front office types. A lot of Yankees stuff in there.

 
 

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299 Responses to “News and notes from Day 1 of the GM Meetings”

  1. Ed - 2009 is the year of the Yanks #27 November 9th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    didn’t Cashman got Swisher during last year’s GM meetings?

  2. Abdababdaserser November 9th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    It seems that Cashman may let the exclusive negotiating window close and allow the offers to open up for Matsui and Damon. Pettitte may be a different matter, as I just don’t see him going elsewhere.

    Rumors are that Lackey is being looked at favorably by the Yankees, but I am not really convinced.

    I think Halladay will be on the trade market, which will make the December meeting very interesting.

    I don’t know if its just that I have grown too attached to Damon and Matsui, but it seems to me short term deals with those two are better than long deals with the FA players out there.

    If the Yankees want to repeat there are some holes to be filling.

  3. PAT M. November 9th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    Dr. Cox….That info is an eye opener to a cerrtain degree…Your credibility has never been an issue in my eyes over the seasons…..Some revelation…..I think the Rangers have the inside track if they sort out the ownership $$$$ concerns…..Nolan Ryan likes Lackey alot

  4. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Thoughts:

    The Yankees will not trade for a top notch player who will be a FA in 2010.-Crawford, Halladay, Lee, etc.

    Cano is not going anywhere, nor should he. In fact he might replace Jeter at short some day.

    If Lackey signs in NY he’ll request a restraining order from poster- Dr. Cox.

    “Ideally,” Damon and Matsui return for one year deals as both would see diminished playing time.

    Would like a list of arbitration eligible players, because that is what Cashman will be talking to other clubs about. Young players years removed from free agency, who need to be unloaded by teams looking to free up salary room.

  5. james November 9th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Cashman “what they still are regardless of how well or how poorly they played in October” —some consideration should be given to the fact that if you get to the post season you have good playoff performers and having a good postseason should be factored into what team you try to win another championship with. Sign Lackey and bring everyone else back and start making plans for the parade.

  6. Erica - always OPPC November 9th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    From the Jerry Crasnick article-

    “But will Damon’s agent embrace that scenario? Scott Boras spoke to reporters during the American League Championship Series in Anaheim and certainly appeared to be thinking long-term for Damon.

    “If stem-cell research were around, you’d want to tap into that gene pool,” Boras said. “He’s 35, but he has a 30-year-old’s body.”
    **********

    :evil: Scott Boras :evil:

    Don’t LISTEN to him Johnny!!!! You WANT a two year deal with the Yankees. Really. You do!!!

  7. Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Yeah, Dr. Cox, that is potentially very interesting info. One of the things that aided the team’s success this year was the attitude of the newcomers, and they’re fitting into the New York scene so well. We’ve seen what happens when that is not the case – Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, and for those old enough, Ed Whitson – so I don’t know that Cash would want to go that route again.

    Given the attention that Cash reportedly paid in the mental makeup of CC, AJ, and Tex, I would like to think that he already has or will check out this facet of Mr. Lackey.

    So, maybe Doc does wind up on the Yankees. If Lackey does indeed leave Anaheim, my guess is it’s for one of the Texas teams. Just off the top of my head, if Lackey truly doesn’t like NY/New Yorkers, I don’t know why Boston would be more palatable for him.

  8. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 9th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Erica, Pat M is hoping to be matched up with a CM Wang hater like yourself for a wager similar to the one we have. Do you want to double-dip with him or is the $25 you’ll be sending me enough for you?

  9. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    In regards to Lackey, the Angels would at least offer him arbitration, and would likely be his top choice should the Ranger ownership not be able to make a play for him. He’d be playing in a weaker division, on a perennial contender, for a terrific manager.

    My guess is Lackey will not be signed by the Yankees.

  10. crawdaddy November 9th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    “Cashman “what they still are regardless of how well or how poorly they played in October” —some consideration should be given to the fact that if you get to the post season you have good playoff performers and having a good postseason should be factored into what team you try to win another championship with.”

    Of course, Cashman can’t admit that consideration in the public prior to negotiations with those players. It would be stupid and goes against negotiations 101 and places him at a disadvantage with those players agents.

  11. A-ROD! A-ROD! November 9th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Dr. Cox, that is awesome that you stopped the Angels from getting their morning Starbucks. What a bunch of pansies they can’t even go without their starbucks on the day of the ALCS! I mean, hello, this is not some random office meeting. start with some mate or something.

  12. A-ROD! A-ROD! November 9th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    or joe’s is decent (and strong)… and the barista’s there probably are probably from cali and would give them their coffee.

  13. randy l. November 9th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    “Do not make the mistake of standing pact. Let these old guys go & get faster & younger. Team will still have plenty of HR power with Alex, Tex, Swish, Cano, & Posada.”

    uncle tito-

    old guys that are over the hill are not a good thing, but i i didn’t notice any fast young guys ripping it up in the world series or the playoffs .

    veteran bats like matsui and damon are the ones who did the hitting.

    young and fast sounds good , but it usually takes a while before a hitter gets seasoned enough to hit under pressure . then they’re not so young anymore.

    i like younger and faster during the regular season more than i like younger and faster in the postseason.

  14. Erica - always OPPC November 9th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Nick in SF in Larkspur
    November 9th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
    Erica, Pat M is hoping to be matched up with a CM Wang hater like yourself for a wager similar to the one we have. Do you want to double-dip with him or is the $25 you’ll be sending me enough for you?
    *******

    I am a gambling girl. I will go up against Pat as well. And I am not a CMW hater, I am just a realist (try not to laugh too much at that).

    I have nothing against CMW. I would have loved it if his time in the proud Yankee uniform ended better. I just don’t expect he will ever wear that uniform again.

    So I will get $25 from you and $25 from Pat M. It will look lovely in my Vegas fund

  15. crawdaddy November 9th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    “Don’t LISTEN to him Johnny!!!! You WANT a two year deal with the Yankees. Really. You do!!!”

    Regarding Damon’s body, Boras isn’t fooling anyone in that regard. We’ve seen Damon not steal many bases and sit too many games over the last couple of years whether it’s his calfs or shoulder to know that he doesn’t have a 30 year old body any longer.

  16. 7789 November 9th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    I doubt the yanks will give Lackey close to 100 million dollar contract which is what he wants after signing Sabathia and Burnett last year. I still think Joba and Hughes should be the 4th and 5th starter.

  17. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 9th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    There you go, Pat M, I have made a $25 gambling connection for you, you’re welcome!

    I won’t even ask for a commission, although I think we both agree that you owe me a beer or three at this point.

  18. crawdaddy November 9th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    “i like younger and faster during the regular season more than i like younger and faster in the postseason.”

    As you alluded to, being “younger and faster” doesn’t mean they’re “better than those old horses” which is what Cashman should be concerned about in 2010.

  19. CB November 9th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    rebecca,

    Tried reposting my response. Still getting stuck in the filter. I emailed you some thoughts.

  20. james November 9th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    In crawdaddy’s response to me all I can say is true

  21. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 9th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Erica, I hope this isn’t one of those deals where you say you can’t pay up until your busy season ends on April 15th… as soon as a deal between the Yanks and Wang becomes official, you have a 7-day grace period, then the juice starts kicking in, 10% per week.

  22. randy l. November 9th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    “What they were when they went into October, that’s what they still are regardless of how well or how poorly they played in October,” Cashman said.”

    on a team like the yankees,undervaluing post season performance is as bad as overvaluing it.

    not all players can do it.

    if cashman really thinks younger is so good , wouldn’t a young gm full of energy be better than an older experienced one ?

  23. Tyler November 9th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    Would Seattle consider this?

    Cano, Hughes, Austin Jackson, Montanero for Hernandez

    I would definitely be open to trading Cano and Hughes/Joba for a good young starter and then sign Chone Figgins to play 2B.

  24. Erica - always OPPC November 9th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    Nick in SF in Larkspur
    November 9th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
    There you go, Pat M, I have made a $25 gambling connection for you, you’re welcome!

    I won’t even ask for a commission, although I think we both agree that you owe me a beer or three at this point.
    ******

    May I ask what you have done to earn a beer or two from me??? I gave you a “Get out of a Hiss” card from me today. Surely, that is better than beer.

    No worries. I may be a poor CPA, but I will start saving my pennies to avoid nasty interest payments. I am afraid you will grease me

  25. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus November 9th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    CB: Got your email and responded in kind =)

  26. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 9th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    randy, that was nice of you to give Cashman a break through the parade and the weekend.

    But you’re too smart to be taken in by a little posturing…

    What should he be saying now… “well, Matsui and Damon both had huge Octobers and Novembers, I’d say they both made themselves some real money, I’m asking Hal if I can really open up the checkbook…”

  27. Erica - always OPPC November 9th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    crawdaddy
    November 9th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
    “Don’t LISTEN to him Johnny!!!! You WANT a two year deal with the Yankees. Really. You do!!!”

    Regarding Damon’s body, Boras isn’t fooling anyone in that regard. We’ve seen Damon not steal many bases and sit too many games over the last couple of years whether it’s his calfs or shoulder to know that he doesn’t have a 30 year old body any longer.
    *******

    I agree with you, but he did look darn spry on “Damon’s Dash”

    Btw- YES showed the classic game from this season in which Damon hit his walk-off homerun to cap off walk-off weekend. Such good times

  28. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 9th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    Erica, it’s Pat M who owes me the beer or three… not EVERY comment is about you, you know… ;)

  29. Ed - 2009 is the year of the Yanks #27 November 9th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    “I would definitely be open to trading Cano and Hughes/Joba for a good young starter and then sign Chone Figgins to play 2B.”

    Figgins is OVERRATED!!

  30. CB November 9th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    I guess the hotstove has started in earnest so with that…

    The yankees do need to be prudent with how they structure their pitching staff for next season.

    A major question for the yanks with their pitching staff is whether or not AJ Burnett will rebound in 2010 and pitch more on the aggregate level he did in 2008 than he did in 2009.

    If AJ does bounce back then he’s a legit number 2. If he pitches like he did this past season (or worse) then he’s a number 3.

    I know AJ’s performance in 2009 is a controversial topic on this blog. But the reason why I think 2009 was a down year for AJ was because even when you view AJ’s 2009 performance in the context of his own career, his control and command were poor to awful.

    2009 was one of the worst control years in AJ’s entire career. You can look it up. He walked more hitters per inning than he did in any season where he threw more than 25 innings since 2003. He set a career high in wild pitches and had the second most hit batsman.

    AJ’s control was much better in 2008 than it was in 2009.

    That said, the yankees pitching staff during the regular season wasn’t as good as it looked to be this season. Much of that was due to Wang getting hurt.

    The yankees won the division despite their pitching not doing what it was projected to do because the offense far exceeded what was reasonable to expect from it. They were way, way over expectation and it was largely the older players who had the surprising seasons.

    Heading into next season, my biggest concern with the team is more the offense than it is the pitching. That’s not to say the pitching doesn’t need bolstering. It’s only to say that the offense had a season where so many things fell into place that it’s unlikely to happen again.

  31. randyhater November 9th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    “Decisions about the 2010 role of Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlin have yet to be made.”

    Interesting. Is that Cash playing his cards close to the vest, or has even he come to finally accept that best bullpen wins?

  32. Zach in Port Jeff...back in the sunburnt country November 9th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    If Chone agrees to spell his name correctly, I might consider it.

  33. Erica - always OPPC November 9th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Nick in SF in Larkspur
    November 9th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
    Erica, it’s Pat M who owes me the beer or three… not EVERY comment is about you, you know…
    **********

    You’re so vain, I bet you think this comment’s about you

  34. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus November 9th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    CB: So what do you do, bring back Damon, Matsui, both or neither?

    For me the biggest concern is that I can’t expect Jeter or Posada to repeat what they did this year.

  35. crawdaddy November 9th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    “What they were when they went into October, that’s what they still are regardless of how well or how poorly they played in October,” Cashman said.”

    on a team like the yankees,undervaluing post season performance is as bad as overvaluing it.

    not all players can do it.

    if cashman really thinks younger is so good , wouldn’t a young gm full of energy be better than an older experienced one ?

    Randy,

    You’re smarter than that. You know full well that Cashman has to downplay such postseason performances in public prior to negotiations with those free agent players.

  36. crawdaddy November 9th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    “For me the biggest concern is that I can’t expect Jeter or Posada to repeat what they did this year.”

    Regarding Jeter why not? He played hurt in 2008 with hand injuries which took away his ability to drive the ball. Other than that, where are indications that Jeter won’t have another great season in 2010.

    Posada is more of a question mark, but since he doesn’t have to rehab his shoulder for the 2010 season, I expect him to have a good season too as he gets his whole body ready to catch 100 games next season.

  37. Zach in Port Jeff...back in the sunburnt country November 9th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Rebecca,

    As a non stat-head, your latest stuff on Mariano is most excellent.

    It’s totally rocking my world. I’ve had to reread it a few times.

    Kinda like a Salman Rushdie novel…

    That’s a good thing.

  38. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    CB-

    “Heading into next season, my biggest concern with the team is more the offense than it is the pitching. That’s not to say the pitching doesn’t need bolstering. It’s only to say that the offense had a season where so many things fell into place that it’s unlikely to happen again.”
    ——————————————-

    Which players on offense do you see regressing and to what degree?

  39. Jeremy November 9th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    If we go into the season with Joba and Hughes and no other top flight pitcher then the Yankees aren’t going back to the World Series. We tried this in 2008, and this year and the young guys failed because they don’t have enough experience yet. We can’t try a 3 man rotation again. And Burnett is not a number 2 pitcher, he is good but the guy is a headcase at times and can’t be counted on all the time.
    We need more pitching !

  40. Dr. Cox November 9th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Pat M. and Joe From Long Island,

    I agree that signing someone who already has these feelings against New York and it’s people would be extremely detrimental to the team. Randy Johnson, anyone?

    To be honest, it almost sounded Joe Rocker-esque, you know minus the racism. But still, if im Cash, I stay far far far away from Lackey and only bid on him to stop him from going to the Sox with hopes a third party steps in.

    But why wouldn’t the Angels shell out the cash? I think he stays put.

  41. randy l. November 9th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    What should he be saying now… “well, Matsui and Damon both had huge Octobers and Novembers, I’d say they both made themselves some real money, I’m asking Hal if I can really open up the checkbook…”

    nick in sf-

    i’m ok with cashman minimizing the yankee’s interest in the name of bargaining as long as he’s not bringing out the old slip bernie out the back door move with matsui and damon.

  42. Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    That’s it for me.

    Another day of baseball gossip tomorrow!

    Good night.

  43. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus November 9th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Zach: Glad you enjoyed it!

    Love Rushdie, but my brother stole my copy of the Satanic Verses! (It’s okay, I stole his air mattress…)

  44. Dr. Cox November 9th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    I guess in all the celebrating I missed J.J. Hardy being traded to the Twins for Gomez.

    I dont like this deal for the Twins…I love it.

  45. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 9th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Bernie wasn’t exactly coming off a World Series MVP when he was let go… nor was he snatched up by anyone else. Right or wrong, I don’t think his situation is really all that analagous to that of Damon/Matsui.

  46. Pinstripes November 9th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Everyone seems to have moved on to next year, but I’m still savoring our 2009 championship. Check out this graphic of our season – shows the hot and cold periods, including when we were all panicking in late April!

    http://visualbaseball.wordpress.com

  47. PAT M. November 9th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Nick in SF…$ 25.00 for a pigeon is certainly worth a brew…….Dr. Cox, all I’ve ever heard about John Lackey is that he’s a bulldog type pitcher who always wants the ball, I’ve never heard anyone say negaitive about the guy other than he’s a good teammate….It was a well known secret that he never cared for Garrett Anderson…Then again nobody cared for him….I only met Lackey one time in 05,when he did a clinic for the Newport-Mesa Baseball Foundation coach’s…..He seemed alright, kind of a quiet guy & I never had to deal with his reps at all when arraigning for this gig…..This was months before the Yanks folded vs. The Angels in the ALDS…..

  48. randy l. November 9th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    upon further reflection ,i’d like cashman to say he looks at the whole picture including the regular season and the postseason when evaluation players.

    it makes no sense to me to disregard the post season when they are arguably the most important games.

    is cashman saying that the post season is no more important than spring training?

    that seems a strange position to take.

  49. Zach in Port Jeff...back in the sunburnt country November 9th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Besides pitching like a bulldog, doesn’t Lackey also kinda look like a bulldog?

  50. Betsy November 9th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    CB, you’re right about AJ’s control. I guess it’s just one of those things – it seems like he was wild even more than he normally is. AJ had some terrible starts, no doubt, but he stopped losing streaks early in the season and, before his slump, was often able to win without his “best stuff”. Even during his two month hot streak, he rarely had truly dominant games like I think he had last year. Is it too late to tinker with his mechanics? In any case, he was crushed over his WS performance in game 5, but he did say that no one could ever take game 2 away from him (which is true) and that his teammates made sure to tell him (after game 5) that they wouldn’t have gotten as far had it not been for his performance in game 2. I’m sure he’ll take that positive feeling into the off-season. One thing – I know he wasn’t intimidated by the post-season. His weird innings happened in the middle of the game, not at the beginning, where you’d think if the pressure was going to get to him, it would get to him then. Nex year should be interesting for AJ…..

  51. Dr. Cox November 9th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Pat M.

    This isn’t my opinion on the guy, this is what he literally said. Then again, I was being a jerk to him. I mean, cmon, it was Game 6 of the ALCS and he was scheduled to pitch Game 7, I wasnt exactly going to go up to him, shake his hand and wish him luck…any self respecting Yankee fan would’ve talked trash to him, just like I did.

    Im sure hes a decent guy but he’s from a small town in Texas, went to college in Texas and actually never even left Texas until he was drafted in 1999 so its not astonishing that he would not like New Yorker and/or the people from New York.

    That being said, I still would not want him, bulldog or not. You cant play in a place you dont like regardless of money.

  52. Jeremy November 9th, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    PAT M.
    I know that you agree with me. The Yankees need another starter in order to get back to the World Series. Lackey might be it. But we can’t count on Wang because he is not reliable and sucks in the postseason(2007 ALDS), and Hughes and Joba can’t be counted on. We went down this road in 2008, and this year. Do we want to deal with these same issues again.

  53. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 9th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Help me out please.
    Why am I reading in SI and NESN,that Lackey is a sure shot for coming to the Yankees?

  54. Betsy November 9th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    I don’t get Cash’s comment about Phil and Joba…..very silly as now that’s going to get the media and fans buzzing about it.

    As to the pitching, CC struggled for the first month and half or so, Andy struggled after getting off to a good start, Joba had his issues, no Wang……… Considering everything, the staff ended up doing a good job. CC was brilliant, Andy had an unbelievable 2nd half, AJ was ..well, we’ve discussed AJ………Joba was still Joba and the 5th starter was the 5th starter.

    Questions about the staff:

    1) How will Andy do if he returns? I doubt he’ll be as good this year as he was last

    2) Joba – I think Joba is a huge key. He’s got to make progress and he’s got to be good (he doesn’t have to be great, but he has to be good).

    3) How will the Yankees work around Phil’s innings limits? I hope they just skip him some starts – none of this yanking back and forth. I don’t want him in the pen at all – he needs to be a starter now.

    4) Will IPK perform well enough at AAA to be considered an option should pieces at the ML level not fall into place? Will Cash get some veteran arms?

    5) What are Ace and Gaudin’s roles? I don’t like Aceves in the pen at this point – I don’t think he’s built (as far as his arm goes) to be a reliever.

  55. Betsy November 9th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    I have absolutely no concerns about Jeter. Will he hit .334 again? Maybe not, but he’s going to be darn terrific…..as long as he stays away from getting hit on the wrist. Jeter is ageless……

  56. Betsy November 9th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Cash’s comments re: Matsui don’t mean anything anyway as Matsui had a very good year. It’s not like he had a bad year and just got hot……That’s what Cash would likely stay away from and I can’t say I disagree.

  57. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 9th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    “But we can’t count on Wang because he is not reliable and sucks in the postseason(2007 ALDS)”

    Just like CC, right?

    2007 wasn’t Wang’s only postseason. And if he does make it back, he wouldn’t be the #1 starter like he was in 2007.

    No more hatred, please, there’s too much already.

  58. CB November 9th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    “Which players on offense do you see regressing and to what degree?”

    That of course is the difficult issue.

    In aggregate I’m fairly confident that they will not have a season like this again.

    Which players are going to decline is a difficult issue to pinpoint.

    It’s something analagous to what happened with Tampa’s pitching staff in 2008. Everything went right for them. It wasn’t likely to happen again and it didn’t. Tampa though the issue was Edwin Jackson overperforming and he’d regress. But they were wrong.

    I think it’s likely that Jeter will not have as good a season. I also think Damon isn’t going to hit for that much power again. Posada missed a month so he might not be that off next year. Matsui- there’s tremendous variance in how he might perform given his knees.

    On the flip side Alex will likely be better. But he’s really the only guy who can be reasonably expected to produce more this year than last.

    I think they need more offense. The most sound thing to do would be to get a left fielder and sign either Damon or Matsui as a DH.

    That said, there aren’t great options in the LF market right now.

  59. Jack November 9th, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    Just resign Matsui it will put a smile on my face

  60. randyhater November 9th, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    “upon further reflection ,i’d like cashman to say he looks at the whole picture including the regular season and the postseason when evaluation players.”

    I agree. I’m sure it’s posturing specifically aimed at Damon/Boras, but Cash’s quotes sound way too much like “the playoffs are a crapshoot” excuse-making that we usually hear from perennial losers (A’s, Mets) and their pathetic fan bases. It’s unseemly coming from the GM of the NY Yankees.

    No set of numbers defines our franchise more than our 27-13 record when playing for the ultimate prize. The World Series (and playoffs) are about rising to the occasion. Cash should think hard before discarding guys (Damon, Matsui, Pettitte) who’ve proven they can do it.

  61. PAT M. November 9th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    Jeremy, There is no way that both Joba & Hughes are in the starting rotation together next season unless injuries hit….It’s going to be a one at time process, with Hughes taking over Pettite’s slot in 2011…..As for Wang’s performance in the 07 Playoffs, Torre gets the hit for the bugs ( umps were overwhelmed with them as well and should have halted the action )….However if you recall, Torre decided to throw Wang on the road rather than at The Stadium where he was outstanding all season……I have no knocks on The Wang-Man & I do think the Bombers sign him and take their time with his rehab this time around…They owe him that much……

  62. Betsy November 9th, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    I don’t see why Tex can’t reproduce his numbers….Jeter may not hit for as high an average, but he’ll still be his usual excellent self. Damon would still have a good year, very likely, even if it’s not as good as this year. Cano? He’ll have a good year, but man – he’s got to work on his hitting with RISP. It’s sad that he can only hit in one place in the order. I think their offense will be fine…….it doesn’t have to be as good to still be very good.

  63. sfochild November 9th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    crawdaddy
    November 9th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
    “What they were when they went into October, that’s what they still are regardless of how well or how poorly they played in October,” Cashman said.”

    on a team like the yankees,undervaluing post season performance is as bad as overvaluing it.
    not all players can do it.

    ——————————————————————–

    Okay, I have to say, the idea that “not all players” can hit in the postseason is ludicrous as is evidenced by:
    a) Going into this postseason, A-Rod still had the reputation for being a miserable postseason hitter, someone who would fall into your category of players who can’t do it.
    b) Mike Lowell, World Series MVP in 2007, in 2008 had an OBP of .111 during the postseason with 0 hits (Granted, he only played in 2 games, but such is the postseason). 2003, as a part of the World Champion Marlins team, he hit .196 through the playoffs.

    There are many other examples, but I don’t care to find them right now. It just goes to show you that past postseason success does not in any way guarantee future success (to extend that to pitching, take a quick look at Hamels last year v. this year)

  64. Betsy November 9th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Then Pat M, I hope Phil stays in AAA. They can not keep this kid in the pen…..he already lost a year of development this year.

  65. pat November 9th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Chien-Ming Wang saw Dr. Andrews today, who told him his shoulder was doing “remarkably well.” He could be a good rehab sign.
    35 minutes ago from TweetDeck

  66. Abdababdaserser November 9th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    I take Cashman’s comments to mean you don’t overvalue or undervalue what a player does in the post season.

    Can you really argue with that? Alex did terrible in some of the prior post season games, yet he helped carry the team in the first two rounds this year.

    Many had overvalued what the “generation trey” did in the last part of the season and they imploded when they were placed in the rotation.

    Cashman making comments to get the media buzzing? Smart move. It helps keep them talking so much they don’t see any of the moves or attempts he is making.

  67. jake November 9th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    We will NOT NOT NOT trade Cano…he’s a future HOF that will someday win a batting title and eventually be a #3 hitter and a part of the 3000 hit club….this guy has Rod Carew hitting talent along with HUGE power and a great glove…Cano is a no trade for me over ANY prospect we have. I would rather trade ajax, montero, hughes or joba before cano.

  68. Jeremy November 9th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    CC is not the same as Wang. CC is one of the best pitchers in the game and he is a power pitcher. Those type of pitchers do well in the postseason. I just don’t that Wang will help this team anymore, he is starting to remind me of Hideki Irabu.

  69. sfochild November 9th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    Just realized that my quote was actually randy l.’s, not crawdaddy’s, he was quoting randy just the same as I was. Sorry about that

  70. defense matters November 9th, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    Put Nady in left he’ll be cheaper than other optionsand he will do the following
    -hit .280
    -obp .330
    -homeruns 20

    I don’t know how strong his arm is but I know he was our starting right fielder this past year so he must have a stronger arm than Damon and is 5 years younger than Damon
    He can probably be gotten for cheap coming off an injury. Then Put Damon in the DH spot where his legs will be fresher this is what he will do
    -hit .280-.300
    -obp .360
    -homeruns 15-25
    -steals 10-15

    Damon is a more versatile DH than Matsui and can play the field on days they want to DH Posada, Jeter, or Alex

    thoughts?

  71. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 10th, 2009 at 12:01 am

    “he is starting to remind me of Hideki Irabu.”

    That’s just wrong.

  72. CB November 10th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    “upon further reflection ,i’d like cashman to say he looks at the whole picture including the regular season and the postseason when evaluation players.”

    I’d guess this is what he meant. He’s not exactly the most precise public speaker.

    His original comments sounded like he was referring to ridiculous way people over emphasize small samples of results from the post season.

    Coming into this season that attention was the basis for saying that Alex was a “choker” and that Scott Brosius was a better/ more important player. It was also that line of argument that was the fundamental reason why so many people claimed that CC wasn’t an “ace” and wasn’t a “big game” player.

    On the flip side small samples of post season success have been the reason why so many players were signed to poor deals. Jeff Suppan for example.

  73. Betsy November 10th, 2009 at 12:05 am

    I agree, CB – I’ve no problem with Cash’s comments in that regard.

  74. Erica - always OPPC November 10th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    Good night Yankee people!

  75. Betsy November 10th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    Here’s more from Cash:

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....be-swayed/

  76. Betsy November 10th, 2009 at 12:07 am

    Night, Erica!

  77. Jeremy November 10th, 2009 at 12:07 am

    Wang needs to prove himself. If he fails then it’s time to move on. The Yankees have a number of pitching prospects that can take his place.

  78. Betsy November 10th, 2009 at 12:11 am

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.1577042

    I’m not sure how I feel about a rotating DH spot…….

  79. CB November 10th, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Two years ago we were all hearing about how Jacoby Ellsbury was on his way to being a dominant superstar because he had an OPS of over 1.000 in the world series.

    He’s now a slightly above average CF.

    The foundation for the case to send Josh Beckett was being made by Gammons and the like based on 2 post seasons where he was already being referred to as one of the greatest post season pitchers in history (and the clear heir to Schilling…).

    The past two post season’s he’s been mediocre to bad.

    You can go on and on with players who excelled in one or two post seasons and were never able to reproduce those results on any kind of consistent basis.

  80. Jeremy November 10th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    Beckett is overrated. I said that he is not even in the top 5 in terms of best pitchers in the game today. Sabathia is better than him.

  81. PAT M. November 10th, 2009 at 12:20 am

    The greatest example of this mentality is George’s Mr. May comment about the great Dave Winfield based on his 1981 World Series…….CB brings about a good valid point in regards to the offense…..I do think both Alex & Texeria build on their 2009 seasons….Cano will continue to improve & could have his real breakout season…Derek will fall back slightly…Damon will steadly decline….Mats still has a great swing and his bat speed has not waivered at all….Jorge is a big question mark for me….His frequency for looking bad was more apparent this season, but with that said, I still see him hitting .275 , 25 dingers and 75-80 rbi’s……The real key is, if Mats leaves who protects Alex ????

  82. Betsy November 10th, 2009 at 12:24 am

    The Yankees seem like they are much more inclined to bring Damon back instead of Matsui, so they obviously don’t feel he’ll decline too much. One year with a team option – that’s the most I would do; I can’t give him 2 years. The problem is, Cash wants to get younger, but getting younger doesn’t necessarily mean getting better. There are no options out there to replace Damon…..On another board I go to, people are begging for Nick Johnson to replace Matsui as DH…….

  83. Betsy November 10th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    I really wish we could savor the 2009 season ………..I feel we’re doing a post-mortem on them. Already, so many ? are being raised about 2010 – kind of depressing.

  84. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 10th, 2009 at 12:27 am

    “On another board I go to, people are begging for Nick Johnson to replace Matsui as DH…”

    That’s why I don’t go to Nationals baords.

  85. CB November 10th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    Pat M.,

    The offense is a real concern. The most concerning thing that could happen would be for the team to chose to go the “revolving DH route.”

    That was make the 2010 offense markedly worse than the 2009 offense.

    It would be a significant blow to their production.

    And as you note there really would be not one hitting behind Alex if they fill the DH by rotation and Posada regresses.

    That is probably the sinlge most important thing they can do to maintain the offense – make sure they have a plus DH whether that’s Matui or someone else.

  86. PAT M. November 10th, 2009 at 12:34 am

    Johnny Damon’s past is catching up with him…..One season is all he has left in the tank, if that…..Unless he becomes a platoon hitter ..Too many repeative & nagging injuries…..He’s the prime example of Branch Rickey’s belief it’s better to let a player go a year earlier than a year too late……

  87. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2009 at 12:42 am

    PAT M.
    November 9th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
    GB, What level did Manny pitch this past season ????

    ————————————————————

    PAT M, He was a starter at the beginning of the season and then during the last month worked out of the bullpen to cut back the innings. He pitched in Tampa on the last day of the year.

    What’s really impressive is the walks and home runs allowed for an 18 year old.

    http://www.baseball-reference……nuel001man

    93-94 MPH fastball, slider, changeup. all very good. Some debate on it being a slider or cutter, though.

  88. PAT M. November 10th, 2009 at 12:53 am

    CB..We had this discussion last winter even before Texeria was signed, that Matsui’s return to form was the most important piece to the Yanks lineup….He was the perfect stick to protect Alex…..The dude can still hit

  89. Buddy Biancalana November 10th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    So are we are thinking re sign Matsui & let Damon walk?

  90. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 10th, 2009 at 1:17 am

    Buddy, is that where you come down? Reasoning?

  91. PAT M. November 10th, 2009 at 1:17 am

    Buddy, That’s where I’m coming from….Damon is a risk I believe…..His legs have been his meal ticket, and there were too many times he looked bad at the plate……He has 1 year at best & 2009 will be his high water mark from here on out……2 year deal at the most & even with that I’d be concerned….Tampa exercised their option as expected on Crawford tonight…….Yankee outfiled was average at best last season, it’s not going to improve suddenly

  92. Buddy Biancalana November 10th, 2009 at 1:27 am

    Matsui seems more likely to accept a 1 year deal.

  93. Buddy Biancalana November 10th, 2009 at 1:31 am

    I think GB7 mentioned signing Marlon Byrd, is he better defensively than Melky in CF? Move Melky to LF if he is & give Byrd a 3 year deal? Or keep Damon for a 2 year deal.

  94. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 10th, 2009 at 1:31 am

    Matsui for one year, Damon for two, with Damon DHing much more in 2011?

  95. Buddy Biancalana November 10th, 2009 at 1:37 am

    Add Pettitte on a one year deal too.

  96. PAT M. November 10th, 2009 at 1:38 am

    Nick in SF, That would work just fine for that time frame….If Carl Crawford does go free agent after next season, and Jackson can prove he can hit a MLB off speed pitch by 2011 then it works….However, next to getting a # 2 pitcher to backup CC ( can;t really keep expecting Pettite to pitch any better in 2010 ) Cashman has to improve the club’s outfield……Remember Damon was an E ticket last season on running down flyballs & even more of a thrill ride on linedrives hit at him….His arm speaks for itself…..The key is finding someone to hit behind Derek

  97. Nick in SF in Larkspur November 10th, 2009 at 1:42 am

    I do concede that Damon’s defense is not likely to improve much over time… but he is on the record as saying he doesn’t mind DHing and that is actually helps his legs gain strength.

  98. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 10th, 2009 at 2:05 am

    pat
    November 9th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
    Chien-Ming Wang saw Dr. Andrews today, who told him his shoulder was doing “remarkably well.” He could be a good rehab sign.
    35 minutes ago from TweetDeck
    ====

    Thanks pat, that’s very encouraging to hear.

  99. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 10th, 2009 at 2:27 am

    If Miranda somehow survives the 40-man, he would be a very valuable bat for the Yankees – possibly off the bench, as a sometime DH, and as the occasional 1B blow for Teix.

    The guy is just custom made for Yankee Stadium – his power would be nuts in the park and he is not just a slugger, but a good hitter.

    If AJax can continue to progress, he might be ready to come up midway through or later in the season, giving us more versatility and better OF defense, and some more speed on the bases.

    Montero could well force the Yankees’ hand as well, at some point in 2010.

    As for the regular lineup, I don’t share the concern of some here. In fact, if AJax could stick, and we re-sign Damon, that’d be a great way to keep the latter fresh.

    Girardi did a great job of making sure players got enough rest this season – although he could have given Cano more days off. Melky was forced to play constantly, since Gardner got hurt and we had no one else capable of CF.

    The Yankees could have a very potent, if unorthodox, offense in 2010.

    On other fronts, Gary Sanchez is going to GCL for 2010. That kid is going to be a ridiculous player for the Yankees.

    CHAD: CAN YOU GET SOME INFO ON CHRISTIAN GARCIA’S PROGRESS?

    Thank you.

    I don’t have concerns about the offense.

  100. PAT M. November 10th, 2009 at 2:58 am

    Bod, If you let Matsui walk who hits in the 5 hole and protects Alex ???? To me that is a major issue for Cashman, along side finding a starter to follow Sabathia…..

  101. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 10th, 2009 at 3:17 am

    I am with you on Matsui, Pat M.

    I see no reason why he shouldn’t be re-signed: lefty power hitter we don’t have to worry about being worn down by being in the outfield, because he can’t do it. The parameters are clear – he’s a potent DH and as you point out, protection for Alex.

    My post wasn’t meaning “we’ll be alright without Matsui.” Was just responding to CB and others who are apprehensive about the offense.

    Unless Alex has some sort of relapse, I dare say I expect the offense to be improved next season.

  102. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 10th, 2009 at 3:27 am

    I highly doubt the Yanks will sign Lackey, however, as per your posts earlier.

    There are people who could emerge out of the depth we have in the system (Z-Mac, Nova, IPK, Aceves converted back to starting, etc) over the course of the season.

    And I agree with whomever said that Cashman is not going to tie up another spot in the rotation on a long-term type deal. We have arms pushing their way through the system, and the stated goal of developing our own pitching is sincere.

    I also don’t see why you’re convinced that Hughes and Joba won’t both be in the rotation. They may not stay there – if one of them really coughs – but I can see them slotted fourth and fifth.

    If Wanger can actually make it back by midseason – assuming we hold onto him – he can assume innings for Hughes.

    Cash was willing to go with 3 kids last season – I don’t see it as particularly radical to relegate two of those young pitchers to the 4 and 5 spots, especially when you have a front rotation horse like CC, and veterans AJ and Pettitte (I’m assuming latter is re-signed) to lead the way.

  103. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 10th, 2009 at 3:29 am

    I am now re-watching Game 2 of the WS.

    AJ is just filthy in this game. The Good AJ is remarkable, especially on this night. Even the lefties have no chance.

    Well, I think if I stay up much longer, I’ll start having visions.

  104. JeterJobaCanoFanForever, enough said November 10th, 2009 at 4:09 am

    Bodh,

    Who would you have as 4 Joba or Hughes. On another board fans want both to remain in the bullpen especially if someone like Lackey is signed. Still would need a 5.

  105. Paco Dooley November 10th, 2009 at 4:45 am

    From Yahoo’s Steve Henson:

    “New York Yankees widen the gulf: The roadmap for the rich to get richer is easy to navigate. Re-sign Damon as a DH; sign Holliday or Bay to play left field; sign Lackey to bolster the starting rotation; re-sign Andy Pettitte(notes) for one more season after offering him arbitration to chase off other suitors. Then, one year from now, sign catcher Joe Mauer(notes) when he hits free agency. Seem implausible? All it takes is that green stuff oozing out of Yankee pores.”

  106. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 5:46 am

    “upon further reflection ,i’d like cashman to say he looks at the whole picture including the regular season and the postseason when evaluation players.

    it makes no sense to me to disregard the post season when they are arguably the most important games.

    is cashman saying that the post season is no more important than spring training?

    that seems a strange position to take.”

    What Cashman actually looks at has very little to do with his public posturing before negotiations begin with his free agents. Cashman knows how to conduct negotiations without any advice from certain Yankee fans that hold a long-term grudge against him.

  107. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 6:24 am

    Cashman is a smart cookie when it comes to posturing yourself during contract negotiations.

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....be-swayed/

  108. Neil November 10th, 2009 at 7:35 am

    If Hughes and Chamberlain are to be completely taken out of the 2010 bullpen mix, Robertson and Melancon will have to perform.

  109. Mike RI November 10th, 2009 at 7:38 am

    Lets take a look at what we are losing if we lose Damon or Matsui

    1- Alot of RBI’s
    2- Alot of HR’s
    3- Playoff Experience
    4- Clutch
    5- We’d be losing alot of production.
    6- Who’s going to make up that kind of production

    One of them must be signed.

  110. austinmac November 10th, 2009 at 7:42 am

    I think Matsui should be re-signed for one year if possible. Posada can be expected to catch as much this year and the DH can be handled just as it was this year. Posada catches, 110 games, DHs 10-20 more while Matsui DHs 120 games, leaving the remainder for others. In 2011, Posada may need to DH more. Howe ver, I am not convinced he is a DH bat on a full time basis.

  111. Paco Dooley November 10th, 2009 at 7:47 am

    Cashman made it clear that his signings last winter were partly in response to the lack of quality this year, so that suggests that he is not too high on what’s out there. I

    also wonder whether there are some big names available next season that he will plan towards this offseason. (like he might want to remain flexible to go after Mauer, meaning that he gives Damon and Matsui 1 year deals and hopes that A-Jax can fill in if Damon goes on the DL, and Posada can DH if Matsui is out).

  112. Betsy November 10th, 2009 at 8:11 am

    Boy, all this negative talk………

  113. Betsy November 10th, 2009 at 8:14 am

    I do not see why we need a #2 starter……we just need a solid veteran arm. How is it that right after the WS, all the talk was how 2009 team was going to be the weakest version of the Yankees, but now the talk is that we have major holes?

  114. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 8:26 am

    I absolutely agree with those who are saying that re-signing Matsui is the way to go.

    Though I’d like to see Damon back, I can also be okay with him not being back (on much reflection). People say Damon can DH, but do we know he CAN DH? Even if he said he doesn’t mind dh-ing, can he actually do it? I used to think it was something any hitter can do, but over the years I’ve seen it’s not an easy role to just slip into. If they can get a LF that doesn’t need the rest that Damon needs (artificial surface games, the odd calf-cramp injuries), then that’s one less player Girardi has to worry about rotating for health reasons, just regular “this guy could use a day off” rest like he gives Jeter.

    BUT, I don’t want Holliday or Bay. So, that leaves an unknown that’s not on our radar, or taking a chance on a prospect who may not be quite ready.

    I don’t think they sign Lackey. And I think all the “rumors” are there, as they usually are, to boost Lackey’s final cash take at the end of the day from someone else.

    I love that Cashman gives nothing away, not even with players he knows and cares about. It’s all business at this time of year (and all year, really, for Cash).

  115. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 8:31 am

    crawdaddy -

    Great article from the Times. Contrary to what most people are saying, that article, for me, actually tells me that the Yankees do want Matsui back, and are positioning themselves to be Matsui’s best option, but on terms more favorable to the Yankees.

    randy l – you need to read that article, because it is the full dialogue about Matsui, not just the “small sample size” portion of it, and it really gives Matsui his due.

  116. Betsy November 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am

    If we don’t re-sign Damon, then who is our #2 hitter (or leadoff, if Jeter reverts back to that slot) and LF? Cashman does not seem inclined to go for Holliday (which I like), so he would have to get creative and make a trade. I guess he’d have to do that anyway because I wouldn’t give Damon more than 1 year……

  117. Betsy November 10th, 2009 at 8:36 am

    I think Cash deserves the benefit of the doubt, lol.

  118. Erin November 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am

    Erica-you’ll love Google today!!!!!!!!!!

    The only bad news is, I have a feeling this is the last day for Sesame Street characters. :(

  119. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 8:40 am

    Betsy -

    All I can say is, I’m glad I’m not the Yankees GM!

    (Although, if I were, I’d have a lot more information…)

  120. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 8:41 am

    I think they may be looking at Cano to move up to 2nd in the order. He has had trouble in the past with added responsibility, but it is getting time for him to take the next step. This year, he improved his offseason conditioning and work ethic(if that can be improved), as well as his defense. 2010 is the year for him to assume a higher spot in the order and run with it, as well as bettering his RISP #s.

  121. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 8:45 am

    As for LF, one thought is to explore what the Cubs may be looking for to get Soriano. If the Yanks let Damon go, and re-sign Matsui for less, adding Sori’s contract still has them below this year’s payroll. If Cano moves up to 2nd, Soriano would be hitting 6th or 7th in the order. He strikes out too much to hit leadoff or 2nd like he used to, but near the bottom he would be a very dangerous bat. He may be a dangerous glove too, to the Yankees; but no worse than a declining Damon, IMO.

  122. JeterJobaCanoFanForever, enough said November 10th, 2009 at 8:47 am

    From New York Times

    Hideki Matsui is expected to file for free agency by Tuesday. Brian Cashman said he did not see Matsui as an outfielder for the Yankees, and indicated that Matsui’s World Series performance had not changed their thinking.

    ________________________________________________________

    Cold, cold.

  123. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 8:47 am

    Jermaine Dye also on the FA market, he may be OK as a 1 or 2 year stopgap type player. He would play right, and Swisher would move to left. The Yanks don’t necessarily need a LF, they can take any OF position if the player meets their needs. Swisher can play RF or LF, Melky can play any of the 3 positions.

  124. Erin November 10th, 2009 at 8:48 am

    From Sherman:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....ja4A2ooPPI

  125. Tom in N.J. November 10th, 2009 at 8:48 am

    I agree with Mark in Tampa. If Damon does leave, Cano would be the first choice to bat 2nd.

  126. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 8:49 am

    Mark in Tampa -

    I thought Soriano was a poor defender, though. Or was that just when he first made the switch?

    I don’t know if Cano is a good #2. I know he doesn’t strike out a lot, but he doesn’t walk and while he’s a decent base runner, he is not a stolen base guy.

  127. upstate kate November 10th, 2009 at 8:50 am

    I have been peeking in a bit the last few days…some of the comments make it hard to believe we just celebrated a WS. Especially hard to take are the comments about Robbie. I think the current Yankees are a great team, and not much needs to be done this year.

    Hopefully Andy decides quickly, and decides to come back. If he does, we are probably set for pitching, w/ Joba and Phil starting and either Gaudin/Wang to keep their innings pitched down.

    Rather than Bay/Holliday I would prefer to re-sign Damon and then see if we could get Crawford next year.

  128. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 8:50 am

    JeterJoba -

    Why would the WS change the Yankees’ thinking about Matsui playing the outfield? He didn’t play the outfield in the WS. And if you click on the link above and read the entire article, it is not cold at all.

  129. vito b November 10th, 2009 at 8:51 am

    Agree completely with defense matters.

    Resign Damon, Nady, Pettitte. I’d like to see them keep hairston not sure about his contract. Try to get Lackey or find another SP.

    Freeing up the DH spot will be huge and allow our older players to have time off. Nady can play left or right, damon can dh, etc.

    Is Molina a free agent / likely to be resigned?

  130. Bronx Jeers November 10th, 2009 at 8:52 am

    Damon should be back as Abreu has sort of set the market and I think Cash can live with that contract.

    Regardless, I still see a new corner OF for 2010.

  131. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 8:55 am

    Girardi did an excellent job of rotating his older players and keeping them fresh. I don’t see the need for a rotating DH under those circumstances.

  132. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 8:55 am

    Doreen,

    Soriano is not a great defender, but he is a great athlete. He will make the great play from time to time, but he will also make the bone-headed play now and then. There would be no surprise if he had a ball bounce off his head Jose Canseco-style. :) He does have that great arm as well, something we have been missing.

    Nobody knows if Cano will be a great no 2, but sooner or later he has to sink or swim. You can’t have a guy that every analyst says is going to win a batting title, batting 7th and 8th his entire career. If he is that good, and I think he is, let him prove it batting 2nd, instead of hiding him at the bottom. BTW, Damon was no stolen base guy at all this year, outside of game 4.

  133. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Dr. Cox November 9th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    “Did you go to Burger Joint?”

    I am the manager of the New York Health and Racquet Club on 56th and 6th right across from Le Parker Meridian, ive been to the Burger Joint many times.

    And yes Im serious about Lackey. He HATES New York and New Yorkers. It would be a disaster if he was here. Him and I REALLY got into it as did many other Angels and Phillies during the playoffs. I purposely had the Starbuck Crew (many of whom I am friends with) REFUSE to serve the teams as I stood there and laughed.

    It really threw them off their game and , even though I know its not true, I like to believe it is a reason why they both lost the clinching games.
    *************

    If this is true it is hysterical, and my hat off to you! If it is not, it makes for a good story.

  134. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 8:58 am

    The only thing I can take from Cashman’s comments is that I should turn the baseball part of my brain off until at least the winter meetings. Nothing is going to happen or at least we aren’t going to hear about anything from the Yankees. As we saw last offseason, these guys work like they are in black ops or something.

    I am hopeful that the Yanks sign Matsui to a 1 yr deal, Damon to a 2 yr deal and stay away from Lackey/Bay/Holliday/Figgins.

    I am also very hopeful that the Yanks retain Chien-ming Wang. After the good report from Dr. Andrews I think the chances of that have gone up. If anyone missed it, Andrews examined Wang’s shoulder and said that he is doing remarkably well. That is a very significant comment coming from an extremely respected doctor. Those guys generally keep things very close to the vest so for him to say that about Wang gives me a lot of optimism.

    Also, lets keep in mind, Wang surgery was not a “serious” shoulder surgery. Just the fact that it was on his shoulder makes it serious but compared to other shoulder operations, it was relatively minor.

  135. randy l. November 10th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    ok ,to me last night’s posts set the stage for a winter of debating over a very central issue which is : how do you evaluate players on a championship team ?

    this post from last night seems to show two sides of the issue:

    “What they were when they went into October, that’s what they still are regardless of how well or how poorly they played in October,” Cashman said.”
    on a team like the yankees,undervaluing post season performance is as bad as overvaluing it.
    not all players can do it.- randy l.
    ——————————————————————–
    Okay, I have to say, the idea that “not all players” can hit in the postseason is ludicrous as is evidenced by:
    a) Going into this postseason, A-Rod still had the reputation for being a miserable postseason hitter, someone who would fall into your category of players who can’t do it.
    b) Mike Lowell, World Series MVP in 2007, in 2008 had an OBP of .111 during the postseason with 0 hits (Granted, he only played in 2 games, but such is the postseason). 2003, as a part of the World Champion Marlins team, he hit .196 through the playoffs.
    There are many other examples, but I don’t care to find them right now. It just goes to show you that past postseason success does not in any way guarantee future success (to extend that to pitching, take a quick look at Hamels last year v. this year)
    - sfochild
    November 9th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    sfo child-

    first of all if you simply say you don’t believe something to be true it would be more accurate. “ludicrous ” is a rather subjective opinion.

    i have one answer to you and those who believe as you do:

    mariano rivera:http://www.baseball-reference......ma01.shtml

    there is no explaining rivera’s post season record without admitting he’s a very clutch player.

    my position is very simple. clutch players are very important for championship teams, and veteran players tend to be more clutch than young players( though there are exceptions to the rule).

    it goes without saying that you don’t pay attention to small samples of one world series or other postseason series, but the results shouldn’t be discarded either.

    one reason the red sox were playing golf early is that they don’t use things like rbis in evaluating players. this kind of thinking is why theo and co was playing bad golf early this year.

    cashman needs to be better than that.

  136. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 9:01 am

    “Rather than Bay/Holliday I would prefer to re-sign Damon and then see if we could get Crawford next year.”

    That is a best case scenario, but the Yanks can’t plan on that like they planned on CC a year or two in advance. Chances are that the Rays put their chips on Crawford and work out a new deal by ST this year. They really don’t want to spend money, but I think they realize they can’t afford to let him get away.

  137. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:02 am

    Soriano made 11 errors playing LF for the Cubs this past season. He is an awful outfielder.

  138. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    Mark in Tampa -

    Soriano’s arm would be an improvement, and I suppose his overall defense would be no different from Damon’s occasional circus-like performances (entertaining as they were :) ). It’s an interesting thought. Is that a trade situation or is he a FA?

    I would be more inclined to make Cano work in the #6 spot than the #2. As a #2, he would need to see more pitches, and that seems to work against his strength. Although, you could also argue that although he doesn’t see a lot of pitches, it’s because he’s probably already hit the first pitch and is on 1st or 2nd. The fact that he is a good doubles hitter is good, too. If Jeter is on first (not in scoring position, i.e.), it could net a few first inning runs and a runner on second no one out for Tex & ARod.

    Well, at least you got me thinking about the situation. :)

  139. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    If Lackey truly hates NY, don’t attempt to sign him. If he hates NY, he won’t like Boston much. I don’t like Lackey anyway, he seems like a dirt bag.

    What is everyone’s obsession with Figgins, He is awful in the playoffs.

  140. Mike RI November 10th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Yeah ..i’m all set with Soriano coming back.

  141. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:07 am

    I can’t believe some of you are equating Soriano’s defense to Damon. Damon might have his lapses and his throwing arm is a noodle, but let’s be serious here. Soriano committed 33 errors in LF over the last four seasons.

  142. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 9:07 am

    Figgins is vastly overrated by Yankee fans because he usually hits well against New York. If he signed with us I think many fans would be very disappointed, he’s not a great player.

  143. Ed - campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Gaudin) November 10th, 2009 at 9:07 am

    Kei Igawa for Soriano? bad contract swap.

    do you remember how badly Soriano performed during the playoff, even with the Cubs? he’s worse than A-Rod.

  144. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Doreen,

    Soriano would most definitely be a trade situation. He has @3 or 4 years left at @18M per season. He is is overpaid in this current baseball economy, and grossly overpaid for what the Cubs expected. However, that is why I am thinking he is a possibility. With that much money owed, the Cubs an’t possibly be asking for a lot in return in terms of players or prospects.

    I also think that a return to NY would re-invigorate him. He is coming off of minor knee surgery for an injury that derailed his 2009. I think that getting traded from NY devastated him for a while, and he would be a force again if he played here.

  145. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:10 am

    “Soriano would most definitely be a trade situation. He has @3 or 4 years left at @18M per season. He is is overpaid in this current baseball economy, and grossly overpaid for what the Cubs expected. However, that is why I am thinking he is a possibility. With that much money owed, the Cubs an’t possibly be asking for a lot in return in terms of players or prospects.

    I also think that a return to NY would re-invigorate him. He is coming off of minor knee surgery for an injury that derailed his 2009. I think that getting traded from NY devastated him for a while, and he would be a force again if he played here.”

    Do you think Cashman is on drugs?

  146. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 9:11 am

    no way will the Yankees bring back Soriano.

    Re: Damon offer him 1 year with vesting option based on games played/PA. Take it or leave it. No way will he get 3-4 years on the open market. Boras is doing what agents do, talking out of theit buts.

  147. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 9:11 am

    Why would anyone want Soriano back? Terrible fielder, doesn’t steal many bases anymore and he strikes out an absurd amount. Don’t you all remember him in the playoffs before he was traded? He would wave at any slider off the plate – just a pathetic hitter against good pitching. Plus he is owed $18 mil a year from 2010-2014. Awful contract, overrated player, NO THANKS

  148. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 9:11 am

    “do you remember how badly Soriano performed during the playoff, even with the Cubs? he’s worse than A-Rod.”

    Do you remember Soriano’s 2 walkoff hits in 2001? Comparing that to Arod highlights how you can’t just go off of a PS or two.

  149. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 9:12 am

    If the Yanks want to take an unwanted player from the Cubs I’d much rather they go after Milton Bradley then sign Damon to a 1-2 year deal. Those guys can share time in LF and DH the rest of the time.

    Obviously Bradley in NY is a scary proposition but we have a great clubhouse, maybe he would be able to fit in as just one of the guys.

  150. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Yeah, I can see Cashman paying the following for Soraino:

    34 years of age: 18M
    35 years of age: 18M
    36 years of age: 18M
    37 years of age: 18M

    This isn’t the Captain nor Arod we’re talking about here.

    Cashman’s track record is all you need to know that Soriano is not a trade possiblity.

  151. sal November 10th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    There’s a better photo of Cashmoney on www No0 maaas .org . check it out !

  152. Ed - campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Gaudin) November 10th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    “Do you remember Soriano’s 2 walkoff hits in 2001? Comparing that to Arod highlights how you can’t just go off of a PS or two.”

    you talking about 8 years ago. compare his numbers and A-Rod, career wise. the numbers speak itself. Patrick made a valid point about Soriano’s strikeouts and reputation.

  153. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 9:18 am

    No. On those terms, and in light of the errors (!!) Soriano has (which is more what I remember from the “highlight” reels of Soriano’s time in Chicago) and recalling that he was injured, and knowing that the Cubs might have to “eat” a portion of Bradley’s salary as well, there is no way, Soriano is an option for the Yankees.

    Bradley has been given too many chances to start over and he’s not really made the best of any of them. Why would it be different in NY? At this point, he is who he is. No to Bradley as well.

    This is reaching, in my opinion. All these scenarios. The fact is that the best fit for the Yankees are the two guys they already have. It’s a matter of coming to terms that benefit each side (and making the players feel wanted, because we all know that this seems to be an important thing for them, since the money is so ridiculous as to really not mean much).

    It does make for good debate, though, if one is in the mood for it. :)

  154. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 9:18 am

    Crawdaddy

    And that is if we know his ‘real’ age.

    I won’t forget his postseason in 2003. Swinging at pitches over his head, or at his ankles. He was AWFUL!

  155. Mike RI November 10th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    Milton Bradley. Soriano ?? come on guys ! .

  156. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    Doreen,

    Thank you for seeing the light.;)

  157. Ed - campaigning for Josh Willingham (it worked for Gaudin) November 10th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    crawdaddy,

    like I mentioned before, Igawa for Soriano. bad contract swap. no lesser than that. That’s the only way I wouldn’t mind having Soriano back.

  158. Tom in N.J. November 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    I don’t think Soriano is an option. He’s 34 and his legs are breaking down. Plus, he’s owed way too much money. He’s too dimensional now.

  159. betsy November 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Mark, you can’t force feed a player. Cano is limited thanks to his complete inability to hit anywhere else in the lineup – he’ll have to stay at 6th for now.

  160. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    “like I mentioned before, Igawa for Soriano. bad contract swap. no lesser than that. That’s the only way I wouldn’t mind having Soriano back.”

    Igawa is only owed 8M left on his contract. No way!

  161. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 9:22 am

    Agree with Doreen, a BIG HECK no to Bradley as well. How many cities has he been run out of? He doesn’t handle criticism well. How would he handle NY? He gets booed once, and he’ll fly off the handle?

  162. Mike RI November 10th, 2009 at 9:22 am

    I agree with Betsy. .NO way is Cano a number 2 hitter.

  163. upstate kate November 10th, 2009 at 9:23 am

    Doreen-
    totally agree

  164. Erin November 10th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Bradley is a head case. I do not see him handling New York well.

  165. Tom in N.J. November 10th, 2009 at 9:25 am

    Since we’re throwing names around, how about Brad Hawpe? I don’t know what the Rockies would want for him, but his profile-high OBP and LH power would fit in nicely with the Yankees…

  166. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 9:27 am

    You guys are right about Soriano, he is a reach, I am trying to think of some players that could be had by trade since the FA outfielders are pretty weak this year. I think we mostly agree that Bay and Holliday are not the answer. Dye for a year or two, maybe, but he will be looking for much more than that. He is also getting old fast. I thought Rick Ankiel was inriguing, until I looked at his numbers. Very underwhelming.

    So I think they will need to trade for the type of player that we will be happy with. But the best outfielders with no issues will come with a very steep pricetag in terms of players. So I am thinking about guys who are somewhat unwanted or overpaid by their current teams. I know in these times, even Cashman is reluctant to pay too much, but they will have to overpay in either dollars or players to get what they need.

  167. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 9:28 am

    Cano is a 5 hitter, it really is where he should be hitting. He doesn’t have a great OBP but he makes a ton of contact and has some power. That sounds like the perfect bat to drive in runs from the 5 spot. Unfortunately he has some kind of mental block when he’s playing there and unless he gets over it, he will be in the bottom third of the lineup for the rest of his career.

    Don’t knock Bradley so easily guys, he has issues but the Yanks have great clubhouse chemistry. He could be almost invisible here as just one of the guys. Nobody would be counting on him to be an all-star. That could allow him to flourish. It’s hard to ignore him outright considering his amazing talent. If he ever got his head screwed on straight and stayed healthy he’d be a perennial all-star.

  168. betsy November 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Milton Bradley? No thank you – no interested in playing those “games” and Cash wouldn’t be either. He’s made a point of saying several times that they made sure that they signed quality people in addition to quality players. There will be no Bedard or Bradley signing here……

    I agree with Cashman that you can not make decisions based on such a small sample size as the playoffs. One short period of hot hitting does not erase a whole season’s worth of poor play. In any case, I think that’s moot with regards to Matsui because he had a very good year. With Matsui, other things are going to come into play (his desire to play the OF, which is not happening with the Yankees; the Yankees’ desire to get younger – although how many young DHs are there anyway?)….The thing that complicates matters is Damon and Matsui are, at most, 1-2 year contracts. What do the Yankees do for the future? The FA pickings in the OF are slim…..Cash will have to trade some of his young chips, no doubt about it.

  169. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    crawdaddy -

    I am a reasonable person. :)

    Patrick -

    I forget where it was, but Bradley was actually doing pretty well in the “anger management” aspect of his career. But then he heard that a BROADCASTER had something detrimental to say about him, and he, ahem, overreacted, shall we say. There is no way he could flourish in NY – no way he could “blend” into the background, great team chemistry notwithstanding. Because, believe it, he will be the focus – the media will be waiting to pounce at first opportunity. (As they are ready to pounce on Joba after his DUI last winter.)

  170. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    I heard Brad Hawpe is an awful outfielder.

    Cashman and Girardi went throught a lot of trouble to straighten out the clubhouse chemistry. Cashman isn’t going to jeopardize that for the likes of Milton Bradley.

  171. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    I admit, Soriano is a reach, but he has produced big numbers in the past. But Milton Bradley? No way.

    Career highlights:

    Tore his ACL arguing with an umpire.

    Hasn’t played more than 126 games in a season in 5 years.

    Never had more than 77 RBIs or 78 runs in a season.

    He is 31, and has been dumped by 6 teams so far.

    Hit just .257 with 12 HRs and 40 RBIs this year.

    No thanks.

  172. Mike RI November 10th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    I think we have to sign either Damon or Matsui. I don’t like the idea of trading for an “outfielder”. Next years crop should be stronger.

    I personally like Jermaine Dye. He can still play the outfield and it’ll be a short term contract.

    If Cashman is to trade. I hope its for pitching .

  173. Erica - always OPPC November 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    Erin
    November 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am
    Erica-you’ll love Google today!!!!!!!!!!

    The only bad news is, I have a feeling this is the last day for Sesame Street characters.
    ******

    I think so too.. it’s the end of an era. Lots of googling for me today!

  174. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    “Milton Bradley? No thank you – no interested in playing those “games” and Cash wouldn’t be either.”

    Cashman wanted to trade for Pavano at the all-star break but he didn’t because the fans would hate it and some people in the clubhouse wouldn’t like it.

    That’s a very unfortunate thing, Pavano would have been a fantastic addition for this team. They would have had 4 starters throughout the playoffs rather than just 3. Fortunately we didn’t need him.

    My point is, Cashman doesn’t fear going after controversial players. Bradley doesn’t have a past history with the Yankees so it is doubtful that anyone in the clubhouse would object. I feel that Cashman would most definitely consider Bradley as a trade option. He fits right with the team’s philosophy of high OBP with some power.

  175. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Hawpe is a possibility, but his fielding is awful. He’s committed 24 errors in the last four seasons as the Rockie’s rightfielder.

    I’m sure somebody will look at his other defensive metrics to see about his range and all.

  176. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! November 10th, 2009 at 9:39 am

    I am avoiding hot stove talk because I would prefer to think the Yankees will be fielding the same team next year as won it all for them this year. So I am just popping in with this article of hope. :) I apologize if it has been posted before/already.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....ja4A2ooPPI

    My sister was in the City over the weekend. She is a huge fan of everything Boston – Sux, Celtics, Patriots (they still think they’re Boston…). Well when she came home she had a gift for me – a 2009 World Series Championship hooded sweatshirt that she bought at one of the official Yankee stores downtown. Of course I was in tears. It was like receiving gold. But I have to say that it was an act of total love on her part. She made a comment about it not being easy doing that and said the lines were out the door with Yankee fans. She also said that she knew I would do the same for her if the situation were reversed and I happened to be in Boston the weekend of the parade, etc. I have to tell you that I am not sure I could have done it – though I said of course I would have. She doesn’t hate the Yankees. The thought of walking into an official Sux store after they won the world series and standing in line with delerious Sux fans – I swear I don’t think I could do it. I really don’t. But of course, I’m not going to have to worry about that happening.

    Hope everyone is hale and hearty and nicely mellowed into the reality of being fans of the most awesome team in sports.

    :)

  177. tom tresh 15 November 10th, 2009 at 9:39 am

    According to Trade Rumors that Chad linked to It has Chapman going to the Sux. Geesh, That should make pete Abe happy. I dont see The Yanks letting the Sux out bid them for Chapman

  178. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Why don’t you all trot on over to baseball-reference.com and look at Milton Bradley’s stats before you crap on the idea immediately. You will see why I think he’d be a great addition to the team. Heck, I wanted them to sign him last year and now that he might be available again, I think it’d be a GREAT pickup.

  179. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    “My point is, Cashman doesn’t fear going after controversial players. Bradley doesn’t have a past history with the Yankees so it is doubtful that anyone in the clubhouse would object. I feel that Cashman would most definitely consider Bradley as a trade option. He fits right with the team’s philosophy of high OBP with some power.”

    Remind me which controversial player did Cashman trade for recently?

  180. upstate kate November 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Doreen
    The Milton Bradley/broadcaster incident was in Texas.

  181. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    “Why don’t you all trot on over to baseball-reference.com and look at Milton Bradley’s stats before you crap on the idea immediately. You will see why I think he’d be a great addition to the team. Heck, I wanted them to sign him last year and now that he might be available again, I think it’d be a GREAT pickup.’

    Of course you don’t have to manage him, but Cashman isn’t that dumb.

  182. Erica - always OPPC November 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    Erin
    November 10th, 2009 at 9:24 am
    Bradley is a head case. I do not see him handling New York well.

    ******

    I agree. Just say no to Bradley!!!!!
    Talk about a clubhouse cancer. The only unity he brings to a team is everyone else talking about him behind his back

  183. Todd November 10th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    Soriano is dreadful……….thanks but no thanks…

  184. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    “Remind me which controversial player did Cashman trade for recently?”

    Read my post please.

  185. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    “Read my post please.”

    Again, which controversial player did Cashman actually trade for?

  186. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    Craw, how about Johnny Damon? Yankee fans hated that guy before he came to the Yanks (Erica notwithstanding)

  187. NYY626 November 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    Melky is going to be at the Herald Square Macy’s tomorrow at 5pm. Is anyone going? I could hop on the train after work but by the time I get there it will probably be a mob scene…..

  188. Fran (the original) and OPPC member November 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Bradley has had trouble with several teams he has played on. That is on the player. The Yankees don’t need that.

  189. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Igawa will stay with the Yankees and amass the winnest record in AAA history. No one will ever break it. That is what Kei’s legacy with the Yankees will be. :-)

  190. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    “Craw, how about Johnny Damon? Yankee fans hated that guy before he came to the Yanks (Erica notwithstanding)”

    Are we going to have a serious discussion here? I asked because I wonder if you’re trying to equate Damon to Bradley when it comes to being controversial and if so then you’re reaching big-time.

  191. blake November 10th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    If the red sox were able to pull off a trade for halladay how would that change you guys view on what the Yankees should do this offseason?

  192. Tom in N.J. November 10th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    A.J. Burnett was “controversial player” in some regards.

  193. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    “If the red sox were able to pull off a trade for halladay how would that change you guys view on what the Yankees should do this offseason?”

    It changes nothing for me.

  194. randy l. November 10th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    it is very important for my cape cod business to have good employees for next summer.

    they really came through for me down the stretch this fall by hanging in there working extra hours and hitting the goals we had set.

    to make sure they don’t take advantage of me,i have decided to open negotiations for employment for next summer by telling them that the extra push that they did does not count and i will only be going by how well they did during the less important earlier period when no one was tired .

    well, that would be one way to do things if we weren’t a team at my business.
    employees are not adversaries .

    matsui and damon are not adversaries to cashman.

    he needs to knock off the BS that the post season doesn’t matter.

    if anything , it matters more.

  195. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    “A.J. Burnett was “controversial player” in some regards.”

    Only in regard to his health. Bradley is on a whole different level.

  196. Andrew November 10th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    Only way Hawpe or Bradley would make sense would be as full-time DH guys to replace Matsui. Bradley’s make-up would be a big turn-off for the Yankees, I think, so I count him out. Hawpe might be a pricey guy to trade for, and from what I remember his splits against left handed pitching are not great. However, as a DH/occasional LFer it would make sense: he would be a left-handed power hitter who could handle the transition from NL to AL due to the fact that he has a good swing for Yankee Stadium. Interesting idea.

  197. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    “Are we going to have a serious discussion here? I asked because I wonder if you’re trying to equate Damon to Bradley when it comes to being controversial and if so then you’re reaching big-time.”

    He was a major part of the Red Sox team that had just beat the Yanks. That’s pretty controversial.

    How about Roger Clemens?

    Jason Giambi? Yankee fans loved Tino and didn’t want to see him go.

    Kyle Farnsworth was a headcase with a history of starting fights.

    I think you are still ignoring my very relevant point that Cashman was very much willing to trade for Pavano despite his past with the Yanks because he was the best option for the 4th starter spot. He only didn’t because it would have annoyed some players on the team. Bradley doesn’t have that problem as he’s never played here before.

    I think it’s very well established that Cashman will go after the best players to help his team win.

  198. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    While we search for an outfielder, consider this: In all of baseball only 2 outfielders both scored and drove in 100 runs-Jason Bay and Ryan Braun. Matt Kemp came close, as well as a couple RFers who won’t be traded. So the outfield crop certainly isn’t what it used to be.

    It may end up that Damon is the best option. He may be anyway, but just for one year. I don’t have confidence in Damon past 1 or maybe 2 years at the most. However, I think he will be looking for 3 or 4 years. If he does take a 2 year deal, it will be after a lot of time and all other options exhausted.

  199. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    “he needs to knock off the BS that the post season doesn’t matter.

    if anything , it matters more.”

    Actually, you’re the one that needs to knock off the BS with your Cashman vendetta. His team won another WS title and there is nothing you can post or say that’s going to take away from what he accomplished this season and what he’s going to do this offseason.

  200. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 9:54 am

    Just heard Tino is going to be at Lord and Taylor in NYC, getting info.

  201. Tom in N.J. November 10th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Mondesi, Sheffield, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Kyle Farnsworth, Kenny Lofton, Roger Clemens. They had reputations of not being team first guys.

  202. m November 10th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Good morning, everyone.

    Just reading through the comments and can’t believe that people are putting much credence into Cash’s GM speak.

    And I’d be cautious about saying players hate a place and wouldn’t want to play there. We went through this thing with CC and had ourselves half-convinced that he’d sign west of the Rockies.

    Even IF the Yankees chose to go with another large outlay for a starting pitcher, you bet Lackey would learn to love New York. And the Yankees. A player’s favorite team is the one that signs his paychecks.

  203. Blackaccord November 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Isn’t Jermaine Dye a Free agent? I think Whitesox declined an option on him… He could be a good fit in the outfield..

  204. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Patrick, how can you say Cashman was willing to trade for Pavano, when in the same sentence you say he didn’t because of the reaction of the fans and the players.

  205. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    “He was a major part of the Red Sox team that had just beat the Yanks. That’s pretty controversial.

    How about Roger Clemens?

    Jason Giambi? Yankee fans loved Tino and didn’t want to see him go.

    Kyle Farnsworth was a headcase with a history of starting fights.

    I think you are still ignoring my very relevant point that Cashman was very much willing to trade for Pavano despite his past with the Yanks because he was the best option for the 4th starter spot. He only didn’t because it would have annoyed some players on the team. Bradley doesn’t have that problem as he’s never played here before.

    I think it’s very well established that Cashman will go after the best players to help his team win.”

    What I thought, you’re not serious. Cashman doesn’t care what the fans think, he cares about winning games and what happens in his clubhouse which is why he wasn’t stupid enough to trade for Pavano. Cashman can still win a WS championship without having to bring in a headcase like a Bradley or Carl Pavano.

  206. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    Sheff and Randy were all on George. Cash didn’t want either one.

  207. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Yankee fans hated Johnny Damon for 2 reasons: He was on the Red Sox. And he helped the Red Sox beat them and win a WS. Johnny Damon was never hated for being Johnny Damon. (Though I was hoping he’d be a Yankee, even as he was a guest on Letterman, in all his Red Sox glory.)

    Pavano is “hated” because he didn’t live up to his contract, not in the eyes of the fans, nor of the players. And, Cash did NOT sign him at the trade deadline, so clearly Cashman DOES think about the overall consequences of signing a particular player. When Pavano was originally signed, he was not controversial.

    Signing Bradley is asking for trouble.

  208. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Being controversial or hated by the Yankees and their fans is one thing. It is quite another, however, to take on Bradley. He is the type of personality that doesn’t care what the situation is when he thinks he is wronged. For him, it is all about “righting” that wrong, forget the consequences. A good clubhouse will have little effect on that. We are not talking about a guy who needs to be gently reminded from time to time to take extra fielding, or to run hard to first.

  209. Ed - slacking in class now November 10th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    “Talk about a clubhouse cancer. The only unity he brings to a team is everyone else talking about him behind his back”

    Swisher might be able to tame him. don’t forget him and Swisher are best buddies during their time in Oakland.

    “My point is, Cashman doesn’t fear going after controversial players. Bradley doesn’t have a past history with the Yankees so it is doubtful that anyone in the clubhouse would object. I feel that Cashman would most definitely consider Bradley as a trade option. He fits right with the team’s philosophy of high OBP with some power.”

    Cashman did wanted Bradley a couple of years ago BUT Torre said no.

  210. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    “Mondesi, Sheffield, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Kyle Farnsworth, Kenny Lofton, Roger Clemens. They had reputations of not being team first guys.”

    You do realize that three of those guys weren’t brought in by Cashman. Also, Farnsworth’s problem is performance related more than being a problem in the clubhouse while those other guys haven’t approached the level of clubhouse controversy of Bradley’s liking.

  211. Andrew November 10th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Yes Dye is a free agent now, however I don’t know how much he has left. He’ll be 36 by the time the season starts next year, and his 2009 featured a huge drop-off in production in the last 2 months of the season. Plus you’d be bringing a right handed power hitter into a park harder to hit in for righties. I don’t know how his defense is now compared to what it was earlier in his career when he was faster, but I know he predominantly played RF, a position the Yankees don’t seem to be interested in moving Swisher from. But, he is another interesting option, especially if the plan would be to use him in LF and DH, splitting time with Damon in each spot.

  212. m November 10th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    I have zero doubts that Bradley would be a choir boy with the Yankees. Many of the troubled players tend to thrive with the Yankees.

    But Bradley’s on another level. Anger issues. Bradley, Dukes, even Carlos Zambrano all have anger issues.

    Bradley’s no Sheffield. You put up with Sheffield’s crap because he could swing that stick. Bradley’s not worth the headache or effort it would take to rehab his issues.

  213. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    “Mondesi, Sheffield, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Kyle Farnsworth, Kenny Lofton, Roger Clemens. They had reputations of not being team first guys.”

    Mondesi, Lofton, and Kevin Brown were run out of town as fast as possible. Farnsworth was never trusted. I think everybody would admit that Randy Johnson was a mistake. Do we need to got through all that again, only this time with a marginal producer?

    Sheffield and Clemens are HOF caliber players, the talent was worth taking a chance with, Bradley isn’t. They both were also George moves. You can’t think Cashman would make those tyoe of moves now.

    Also, of all those players, only Clemens was on a WS winning team, or even a team that went to the WS.(with the Yanks)

  214. Erin November 10th, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Blackaccord
    November 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
    Isn’t Jermaine Dye a Free agent? I think Whitesox declined an option on him… He could be a good fit in the outfield..

    *********************
    I have a friend who’s a huge White Sox fan, and I’ve heard her say Dye is strictly a DH these days.

  215. blake November 10th, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Crawdaddy. a halladay trade to the sox shifts the power to the sox in the Al east if the yanks stand pat. A rotation of halladay beckett Lester bucholtz would be far and away the best in baseball. The red sox are going to try and make a splash this offseason. Maybe two.

  216. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Giambi?

    Giambi at the time of his signing was only “controversial” because fans didn’t want to see Tino let go. It was AFTER he was signed that the PED controversy came to light. But Giambi was seen, I believe, as a good teammate, and a fan favorite (in general).

    Sheffield? I don’t know, he was certainly a bristly personality, and said things that were controversial, but on the field of play, not so much. If I recall correctly, the players didn’t have much of a problem with Gary.

    Roger? Oh, Roger. Well, larger than life Roger Clemens may have had an ego the size of the State of Texas. However, what problems did he cause? He was a mentor, from what I understand, while he was here. The biggest controversy of his career came after he left NY.

    Bradley allows his temper to get in the way of his game. That is the problem. None of the guys above had anger management issues.

  217. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    “Patrick, how can you say Cashman was willing to trade for Pavano, when in the same sentence you say he didn’t because of the reaction of the fans and the players.”

    I have explained twice already that he didn’t do it because the players in the clubhouse wouldn’t like it due to previous history with Pavano. What previous history does this team have with Milton Bradley? The players wouldn’t have any issue with him on the team. It would only be a media/fan created problem which doesn’t bother Cashman.

    I have provided several examples of Cashman going after players that weren’t necessarily “nice” guys and didn’t really fit in with the clubhouse. Another one, Randy Johnson. You haven’t shown any examples of Cashman NOT signing a player because he was a problem.

  218. blake November 10th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    Why are people discussing Milton Bradley. He’s as consistent a malcontent as Terrell Owens is and he’s not a gopd enough player to deal with that mess. I want the Yankees to continue signing players that I feel good about cheering for.

  219. NYY626 November 10th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    ennifer
    November 10th, 2009 at 9:54 am
    Just heard Tino is going to be at Lord and Taylor in NYC, getting info.
    ____________________________________________________________
    Ummm do not tease me, because I definitly would leave work early for Tino. WHEN?????

  220. moereen November 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    ise be the thinkin thats damon like to bee playin wif da yankees so much dat hes sign anothern deal fo less moneys

    dat bradley aint comins to hear to be bring that bs he has. he be a no goods playa dats not much wanted. he has the costs 2 hi an dount plays good wif udders.

    ise says kep damon an the matzui an gets anudder champonships.

  221. randy l. November 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    “Actually, you’re the one that needs to knock off the BS with your Cashman vendetta. His team won another WS title and there is nothing you can post or say that’s going to take away from what he accomplished this season and what he’s going to do this offseason.”

    crawdaddy-

    cashman was doing fine until he said the post season doesn’t matter.

    it does matter.

    it’s really that simple.

    if you personally can’t handle opposing ideas, that’s your problem.

    cashman was a part of a team that won #27.

    i think his 3-4 million dollar salary reflects his value to a team that spends over 200 million a year.

    this is not cashman’s championship.

    it’s the whole team’s championship which he’s a part.

    i again restate . the postseason matters.

    it is absurd to say it doesn’t because a yankee season is a failure if they don’t do well in a post season.

    i realize it’s very difficult to measure small samples and predict future performance, but with the yankees some of the players have large enough post season samples that you can tell something about the player.

    the yankees actually have an advantage over other teams that their players do have large postseason samples to go by.

    this is not a personal thing with cashman with me. it’s a philosophical issue.
    he tends when he’s bad cashman to fall back into the bad habits of falling into sabermetric dogma.

    he broke out of it last winter by spending 400 million on good players.

    cashman has said one thing i object to and that’s that the postseason doesn’t matter in his evaluations of players.

    i say that’s a mistake.

    every time a baseball player steps on a field it counts.

  222. Stultus Magnus November 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Let the Mets have Bradley and his conspiracy theories.

    Wait a sec, maybe he’ll threaten Sterling and he’ll retire…

  223. Laura - How long 'til Spring Training 2010? November 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    “I have a friend who’s a huge White Sox fan, and I’ve heard her say Dye is strictly a DH these days.”

    I live in Chicago and my White Sox friends tell me the same thing. If the Yankees are interested in Dye, they might as well keep Matsui. Matsui is a better hitter.

  224. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Clemens had some anger issues as well on the field, but for the most part, it fueled his game, rather than being detrimental. It could have cost his team big when he was kicked out of a playoff game in the early innings in ’86, and nearly cost him throwing the bat at(towards) Piazza in 2000. But for the most part, he used that rage to win 350 games. The anger takes away from Bradley’s game.

  225. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    NYY626

    I don’t know, trying to find out. I’m going to call the store to find out.

  226. stanzy November 10th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    defense matters –

    Yes. I love Matsui, but if you have to choose 1, definitely Damon over Matsui, unless he wants too many years. Matsui is a great hitter, but it all comes down to flexibility. Matsui really can’t play the field, and because of his knees, he will continue to become even more of a liability on the bases. Both are clutch hitters, but with Damon, you don’t (yet) have to take him out for a pinch runner in a close game, because he’s a good base runner with at least some speed left. And he can play the field, when necessary. Bring Damon back, and if you can get Matsui for the kind of money where you’ll feel OK with him coming off the bench for a significant number of games, do it. Otherwise, bye-bye, Matsui — and thanks for being awesome.

  227. Stultus Magnus November 10th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    Melky will be at the Herald Square Macy’s tomorrow, signing stuff IF you buy $50 worth of Yankees WS gear…

  228. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    “Giambi at the time of his signing was only “controversial” because fans didn’t want to see Tino let go.”

    Uhh that’s exactly what I said. Cashman doesn’t care if the fans get worked up about a certain player.

    “If I recall correctly, the players didn’t have much of a problem with Gary.”

    And please provide an example as to why the players would have a problem with Bradley considering they have no history with him.

    “However, what problems did he cause?”

    Perhaps you are forgetting when he threw a bat at Mike Piazza. Roger had his share of anger problems, similar to Bradley. The team didn’t care because he produced results, which I believe Bradley could do.

    The bottom line is, the argument that Cashman won’t go after a player like Bradley because of his personality is foolish. Cashman will go after talent and that’s it. Maybe he believes that Bradley’s personal problems will effect his performance, maybe he doesn’t. The bottom line is, he will probably be easy to get and he has a boatload of talent. Cashman will most definitely consider it and you are fooling yourselves if you think otherwise.

  229. champ809 November 10th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    the idea Cash has is not only looking at this years FA market but also next years as well…

    ex. he doesn’t want to lock himself into a 2-4 yr commitment in LF as next year he’ll be able to make a play for Crawford so at best the Yanks will offer arb to Damon as they are interested in no more than one year with him to my chagrin

    we will not be trading for Halladay nor King Felix and depleting our farm which is finally coming on line when if we really want those guys we can just right the check next year and still have AJax,Montero,Joba, Hughes and Melancon
    for our future.

    Boddhisativa i’ve been preaching the same about Miranda since last offseason and now is the perfect time to give him his shot to be the primary DH if Matsui is gone as i think he’ll give us a very similar bat for 535k

  230. Laura - How long 'til Spring Training 2010? November 10th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    Anyone thinking about adding Bradley to the Yankees has been drinking to much World Series champagne. If he can’t handle the Cubs fans, he most certainly couldn’t handle us. The guy is a major headcase and kills clubhouse chemistry. No way Cashman goes anywhere near that guy.

  231. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    “I have explained twice already that he didn’t do it because the players in the clubhouse wouldn’t like it due to previous history with Pavano. What previous history does this team have with Milton Bradley? The players wouldn’t have any issue with him on the team. It would only be a media/fan created problem which doesn’t bother Cashman.

    I have provided several examples of Cashman going after players that weren’t necessarily “nice” guys and didn’t really fit in with the clubhouse. Another one, Randy Johnson. You haven’t shown any examples of Cashman NOT signing a player because he was a problem.”

    Patrick,

    Actually, you have nothing because Cashman didn’t make the trade, but you can hang your hat on what he said in some article if it makes you feel any better about Bradley coming here.

    Just don’t expect others to buy that theory.

  232. Erin November 10th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    Laura – How long ’til Spring Training 2010?
    November 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am
    “I have a friend who’s a huge White Sox fan, and I’ve heard her say Dye is strictly a DH these days.”

    I live in Chicago and my White Sox friends tell me the same thing. If the Yankees are interested in Dye, they might as well keep Matsui. Matsui is a better hitter.

    *********************
    Laura-agree. I’d take Mastui over Dye as DH in a heartbeat.

  233. Andrew November 10th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    “Clemens had some anger issues as well on the field, but for the most part, it fueled his game, rather than being detrimental.”

    I think this could all be chalked up to those 200-degree whirlpool baths and hot ointment applied to certain areas of his manhood, as well as presumably drinking liquid horse testosterone or something along those lines before his starts.

  234. Doreen November 10th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    randy l -

    The only thing is, what Cashman says and what Cashman truly thinks are unknowns – the man never divulges. The only thing that matters at the end of the day is what Cashman actually does.

    I think that he is positioning himself for negotiations. And I understand your analogy to your employees, but there’s another aspect to this. The publicity aspect – the part of it that everything you say and do is printed for public consumption. It’s a game. And it’s all about not saying too much. And it’s about trying to manicure the landscape in such a way that you can make the best deal you can. Unfortunately, the rest of what Cashman said about Matsui’s value to the team in the lineup and how he stayed healthy isn’t what’s being quoted. Only the part about how he’s not going to negotiate based on the post season. Frankly, he doesn’t have to, nor does Matsui, because his regular season stands on its own.

    I don’t think Cashman doesn’t appreciate the post-season production.

  235. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    Randy L,

    You’re too funny, but there is professional help available for you in regard to Cashman.

  236. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    Craw,

    You take shots at me but still haven’t provided an example of when Cashman stayed away from a player because of his personality. I can’t take you seriously until you at least make an effort.

  237. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    “The only thing is, what Cashman says and what Cashman truly thinks are unknowns – the man never divulges. The only thing that matters at the end of the day is what Cashman actually does.”

    Doreen,

    You’re so right!

  238. Ed - slacking in class now November 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    You know what? forget Bradley, Dye, and Soriano.

    Bring back Nick “the Stick” Johnson. His OBP would do wonders in the #2 spot as a DH.

  239. Just call me Mr. Clutch November 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    If the Red Sox trade for Halladay Buchholz would be part of the trade. I would bet they would also ask for Bard as well.

  240. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    He is there between 7:30 and 9pm on the 10th floor. She confused me telling me if you buy $500 worth of mens merchandise you get a ws collection. I said do you have to buy anything. she said if not he’s here. What ever that means.

  241. Laura - How long 'til Spring Training 2010? November 10th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    “Laura-agree. I’d take Mastui over Dye as DH in a heartbeat.”

    I don’t want to part with Matsui, but if he has to go, I feel better that he went out with a bang and will get a ring for his troubles.

  242. Crawdaddy November 10th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    “Craw,

    You take shots at me but still haven’t provided an example of when Cashman stayed away from a player because of his personality. I can’t take you seriously until you at least make an effort.”

    Patrick,

    You’re the one that can’t be taken seriously if you’re trying to equate Bradley’s personality problems with others. You haven’t provided one example of a player that Cashman has acquired through a trade that has Bradley’s track record.

  243. MaineYankee November 10th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    randy

    I heard Cashman talking about that subject with Francessa one day.

    Basicly what he was saying was post season performance wouldn’t be a major factor in determining how they decide on a players future with the team.

    It wasn’t just about a good performance. He was saying even if they had a poor post season that wouldn’t preclude them from bringing a player back.

    I didn’t get the feeling he was down playing a good post season.

  244. Laura - How long 'til Spring Training 2010? November 10th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    “Bring back Nick “the Stick” Johnson. His OBP would do wonders in the #2 spot as a DH.”

    He’s too injury prone. Might as well keep Matsui.

  245. m November 10th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Raise your hand if you believe everything Cash says.

    How about 75%?

    50%?

    Okay, randy l, you can put your hand down now. :P

    Seriously, randy, what did you expect Cash to say? Matsui rocked and I wanted to sign him on the spot, but that would’ve been bad form? Or “we’ll take everything into account when evaluating the players”. Or was it just simpler to give the bland non-descript answer that would get everyone into a frenzy and not force Cash to show his cards?

    He’s perfected the art of sleight of hand through his quotes. And the art of speaking for 20 minutes and saying absolutely nothing of substance.

  246. blake November 10th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    The thing I hope cashman realizes when considering whether or not to go after people this year vs next is that you don’t know how much longer you will get this kind of production out of players like jeter arod and mariano. You have a limited window here where multiple titles can be won and I think they owe it to those players and the fans that love those players to do everything they can to win now. I think we will find winning isn’t so easy once the greatest closer in history isn’t that anymore

  247. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    “Bring back Nick “the Stick” Johnson. His OBP would do wonders in the #2 spot as a DH.”

    He’d be a nice addition but I’d feel guilty about sticking him at DH considering his awesome defense.

    “You’re the one that can’t be taken seriously if you’re trying to equate Bradley’s personality problems with others. You haven’t provided one example of a player that Cashman has acquired through a trade that has Bradley’s track record.”

    And you have provided no examples of Cashman doing the opposite – ignoring a player with Bradley’s track record. At least I have provided several examples of controversial signings/trades that Cashman has made. Whether or not you agree that the level of controversy is at Bradley’s level is irrelevant. Cashman has proven that he will go after players with talent even if those players have a bad personality.

  248. Neil November 10th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    There’s a right way, a wrong way, and a Yankee way. Milton Bradley is none of the above.
    He’s just a simple head case. A complete clash of Yankeedom.

  249. champ809 November 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am

    Randy L

    Cashman’s point is not that the postseason doesn’t matter but rather for example if the “eye test” over the 162 game season tells you that player A is in rapid decline phase and said player gets hot for a week and a half and has a very good postseason that player is not all of a sudden a good investment for a multi-year contract.

    in Damon’s case he’s a terrible OF’er getting worse everyday,he slumped badly the second half of the season and had 1 hit in the ALDS.He hit 7 homers on the road this season and doesn’t run anymore and he’s got an 8yr olds arm.
    He had a good 8/9 games in the ALCS and WS and including a key ab vs Lidge and the 2sb play that set up the win in game 4 that gave us control of the series.

    That does not make him a sound investment @ 2-3 yrs for 10-12 per as he is still the same player in decline phase,with a noodle for an arm whose a liability in the field with limited power who is just getting older and older…

    understand now?

  250. Yankee Trader November 10th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    Ranking the 27 WS titles-

    Gotta go, but you might find this article interesting, as we “plot” ways for #28!!

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....4LM0mcTDRL

  251. Ed - slacking in class now November 10th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    “He’d be a nice addition but I’d feel guilty about sticking him at DH considering his awesome defense.”

    him and Teix rotate the DH spot?

  252. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    “There’s a right way, a wrong way, and a Yankee way. ”

    Explain to me what the Yankee Way is.

  253. 86w183 November 10th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Patrick —-

    There is no one with Milton Bradley’s track record. Advocating the acquisition if that psychopath is the fastest way to destroy your credibility I can think of.

  254. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    “him and Teix rotate the DH spot?”

    No way, Tex is basically the best fielding 1B in the AL.

  255. Chip November 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    Craw -

    Not to involve myself in someone else’s argument – but Gary Sheffield, Kyle Farnsworth, Kenny Lofton, Jose Canseco all had serious personality issues.

  256. 86w183 November 10th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Enough about Nick Johnson. He can’t play the OF, he can’t run a lick and he can’t stay healthy for any length of time.

    Champ809 — right on point. Cashman’s point is completely the right way to look at things. You don’t ignore what you saw for six months because of what you saw in October. If you did Matsui and Damon get multi-year deals and Tex and Swish get released.

  257. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    “There is no one with Milton Bradley’s track record. Advocating the acquisition if that psychopath is the fastest way to destroy your credibility I can think of.”

    So now I have no credibility, bummer. What can I say? He’s a great player. Isn’t “psychopath” a bit strong?

  258. MaineYankee November 10th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Patrick

    So you want Cashman to become the Al Davis of MLB. :lol:

  259. blake November 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Yea u want tex on first 162 games if possible. He’s that good and saves that many runs there

  260. Joe from Long Island November 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    randy – I think you’re making two mistakes in your logic at this point –

    1. You’re assuming that we’re dealing with a static situation. Next season, everyone’s a year older. At the stage in a player’s career that we’re talking about with Damon and Matsui, that’s significant. Not saying they still can’t produce at a high level, but one has to think about it.

    2. You’re assuming that Cash’s public statements accurately portray what he is thoughts are. He may be making these comments on general principle; he may be marking time until the team’s internal meetings; he may be making negotiating points so he’s not taken to the cleaners.

    Actions speak louder than words. Let’s see what plays out. Overrall, I agree with you that the demonstrated ability to produce in NY and in the clutch should count for a lot. Personally, I think if everyone’s reasonable, a deal can be made that works for all parties.

  261. CD November 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Milton Bradley?

    HE’s been DEAD for 100 years :(

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley

  262. m November 10th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    Never mind his personality, how good a player is Milton Bradley?

  263. NYY626 November 10th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Jennifer – so he’s going to be at Lord & Taylor on 34th st today at 7:30pm?

  264. blake November 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Bradley is talented but he’s never either been healthy or not suspended for a full season. He gets hurts all the time and is a knucklehead.

  265. MR.OCTOBER November 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Milton Bradley is not coming to the Yankees!!! In 2008 which was by far his best season he hit 22 HRs and 77 RBIs and he is making approx. 10 million a year. In 2009 he played in just 42 games. He has played in more than 120 games just twice in his career in 2004(121) and 2008 (146). His career high in runs scored is 74 and Rbis is 77. So hes not a great run scorer and not a great rbi guy that makes 10 mil a year for about 100 games a season. I would much rather keep Johnny Damon for the next two years(I personally prefer 1yr for JD) than Milton Bradley. As for Jermaine Dye and Nick Johnson both are pretty good bats but at this point in their careers are pretty much DHS. If the Yankees are going to get one of these two to DH wouldnt it make a lot more sense to stick with Matsui as the full time DH.

  266. sal November 10th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Milton is not all fun and games

  267. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    “So you want Cashman to become the Al Davis of MLB. :lol:

    Gee if I knew the amount of vitriol I’d get for suggesting a trade for Bradley, I never would have brought it up. This is the only comment on the matter that I can actually smile at.

  268. Ed - slacking in class now November 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Yep, Melky will be at Macys on Wedensday.

    http://sportscracklepop.com/20.....-at-macys/

  269. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    From MLB.com article yesterday:

    Much of Bradley’s 2009 season with the Cubs basically stood out as a hiccup, after agreeing to a three-year, $30 million deal on Jan. 6. He hit .257 with 12 home runs and just 40 RBIs, and was far from a perfect fit within the team.
    His season came to an end 15 games short of the official conclusion when the Cubs suspended Bradley after he took shots at the team during an interview with the Daily Herald. At the time, Hendry said that he wouldn’t let the Cubs fans be used as excuses and wouldn’t tolerate Bradley not being able to answer questions from the media in a respectful manner.”

    Doesn’t have the production to warrant 10M, nor would he a be a fit with any team, let alone the Yankees and NY media.

  270. jennifer November 10th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    NYY626

    Lord and Taylor is 40th (?) and 5th. Macys is at 34th.

  271. Chip November 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Milton Bradley in pinstripes makes no sense – forget the fact that he’s insane, he can’t stay healthy. Yes, he’s very talented when he’s able to get on the field and hit, but outside of his big year with Texas he hasn’t been able to do that.

    If the Yankees are going to take a flier on a player that is no longer wanted by his team I would almost rather they get Gary Matthews than Bradley – same contract, another switch hitter, only Matthews is able to play the field relatively well.

    Other second and third tier guys I would look at either as FA or via trade:
    Marlon Byrd
    Dan Uggla (as an OF/DH)
    Kelvim Escobar (No draft pick compensation)
    Aubrey Huff (no draft pick compensation)

  272. champ809 November 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Milton Bradleys skillset and game would be perfect for the Yanks and its only a 2yr commitment but the thing i do think that Cash would stay away from is that Bradley and a control freak like Girardi would be way to volatile a match..conjures up images of Reggie and Billy back in the day…whereas a guy like Tex w/a military background and Gritty,Gutty Gardy are Girardi type players…for the guys that are worried about declining production from Jeter i would counter that I’m expecting “walk year” Jeter to improve on last years #’s as i can almost assure you that after his 2 week vacy here he will be commited to be stronger,faster and more prepared to defend his crown this season and justify what will most probably be a 4yr/100mm contract next offseason

  273. Ed - slacking in class now November 10th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    “Dan Uggla (as an OF/DH)”

    Uggla is an INFIELDER!!!!!

    Get your facts straighten!!!!!

  274. m November 10th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    The mlb executives in Crasnick’s article were asked which Vernon Wells’ or Bradley’s contract is the more immovable object. Wells was the unanimous answer, which leads you to believe that money runs the machine. They Cubs will eat some of Bradley’s contract just to get rid of the headache. Would it be worth $10M over 2 years for the Yankees? Maybe. So Patrick may have a point.

  275. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    “Uggla is an INFIELDER!!!!!”

    Ed,

    I watched that all-star game last year, and I would have to diagree! :)

  276. austinmac November 10th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Just say no to Soriano. I can’t stomache more at bats when he swings at every breaking ball that bounces in the LH batters box. He costs more than Holliday will. Just becasue players are ex-Yankees doesn’t mean we need them back.
    Nady is a good player if healthy. A second Tommy John operation is pretty much uncharted territory. Let’s not rely on that recovery for a corner outfield spot.

  277. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    disagree

  278. Ed - slacking in class now November 10th, 2009 at 10:47 am

    “I watched that all-star game last year, and I would have to diagree! ”

    :lol:

  279. Will November 10th, 2009 at 10:47 am

    Chad, thanks for the links at the end of your post. Great information!

  280. MaineYankee November 10th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Patrick

    It’s not that you made the suggestion. It’s the defense of it in light of the history of the player. His ESPN highlights are more about his meltdowns rather than his on the field performance.

  281. champ809 November 10th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    MR. OCTOBER

    runs scored and rbi’s many times are a function of the offense you play in…case and point if you put Bradleys batting avg,obp,slg% and obps #’s from his 2008 Texas season into the 2 hole in the Yanks offense from last season he’s have scored over 100 runs and driven in over 100 as well. He’d also most certainly hit over 22 homers playing in our stadium as his power is more legit than Damon’s.

  282. champ809 November 10th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    MR. OCTOBER

    runs scored and rbi’s many times are a function of the offense you play in…case and point if you put Bradleys batting avg,obp,slg% and obps #’s from his 2008 Texas season into the 2 hole in the Yanks offense from last season he’s have scored over 100 runs and driven in over 100 as well. He’d also most certainly hit over 22 homers playing in our stadium as his power is more legit than Damon’s.

  283. blake November 10th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Who mentioned soriano? Ugh. This conversation has officially went to the bad place.

  284. Bronx Jeers November 10th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Postseason doesn’t matter to Cashman?

    I think it’s his way of saying “We weren’t going to bring Matsui back before and despite the heroics , we haven’t changed our mind. “

  285. NYY626 November 10th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Jennifer – thanks for the info about Tino. I just told my friend about it and I’m pretty sure shes sitting at her desk crying with excitement right now.

  286. 86w183 November 10th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Patrick —

    Sorry I couldn’t make you smile because your suggestion of the Yanks acquiring Milton Bradley gave me a really good laugh.

    Check out MR.OCTOBER’s post to document what an ordinary hitter Bradley has actually been. He’s also a lousy OF and a high maintenance volatile personality.

    “Psychopath” might be a bit strong for Bradley, but not much. This is a guy who has gone after fans, media people and umpires when enraged.

    Damon and Matsui would leap at a two-year, $ 20 Million offer and both are superior hitters and people.

    Gary Matthews Jr. has $ 23 Million coming the next two years and I’m not sure he’s an upgrade on Melky… pass.

  287. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    “Check out MR.OCTOBER’s post to document what an ordinary hitter Bradley has actually been.”

    It’s not a very comprehensive summary of valid statistics. I don’t care about how many RBI and runs scored he has. Look at his rate statistics, they are very good.

  288. 86w183 November 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Bradley is the kind of player that people who are obsessed with OPS and OBP love and people who study baseball can’t stand.

    In a ten year career he’s already been with seven teams and his seventh team can’t wait to get rid of him.

    He’s topped 500 plate appearance twice and averages 82 games a year. He’s a part time player and a full time headache.

    Trading for him is arguably the worst idea since the Osmonds decided to form a band.

  289. MR.OCTOBER November 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Champ 809-
    Agreed the lineup has a lot to do with production but Bradley has had one pretty good year (2008) which was his contract year. In 2008 he had a pretty good lineup around him with Texas (granted not the 2009 Yankees but one of the more potent lineups of 2008) and lets not forget that the stadium in Texas is actually smaller than Yankee Stadium in every part except for 12-14ft down each line. Left Center Centerfield and Right Center are all smaller in Texas than the Bronx. Just look at the seasons Bradleys put together in the league. Find me one season that stands out to you that you would say this guy had a real good season this year. MAYBE 2008 and thats it. Milton Bradley cant stay healthy and it seems he is suspended every other hour. JD on the other hand has already proved he can play in NY. Cant forget about the intangibles JD has that Bradley doesnt. JD for two more years at 10million (again I personally prefer 1yr) or Bradley at 10million is ano brainer!!

  290. Patrick November 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Bradley is the type of player that people who value good players love.

  291. MR.OCTOBER November 10th, 2009 at 11:25 am

    86w183-
    Agreed!!!

  292. bru November 10th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Betsy

    we are better with a # 2 pitcher. we have 5 pitchers that can be our 4th or 5th pitcher & pettittes 8-12 million has 1 or 2 yrs left

    wfan saying yankees like lackey.
    i dont think he wants to come to ny

    i think it makes perfect sense

    pitching is what got us back to where we are

    cc
    lackey
    burnett
    pettitte
    anybody makes us sick

    teams are going to get better pitching to try to beat our top 3

    becket
    lackey/halladay
    lester
    dice

    blows our top 3 away

    phillies are going after halladay

    i would not want to face them with lee,halladay

    we need to stay ahead of the rest not sit still & say we won it with what we already have

    we are a pitcher short

    if we lose 1 pitcher there will be 3 rotation spots that could be a mess & that is if pettitte returns

    joba,hughes,mitre,gaudin,kennedy,ace have proven nothing

    let them fight for 1 spot not 2

    right now without pettitte there are 3 spots open

    what happens if cc or burnett get hurt?

    4 out of 5 rotation spots could be a mess & the way it looks cashman agrees

  293. MR.OCTOBER November 10th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Patrick-
    Obviously you dont just look at RBIs and Runs when you look at stats. I was just using two as an example. Find me one stat of Milton Bradleys that he has excelled in throughout his career. In fact we can argue that his 1 year in Texas actually is the reason why he put up those decent numbers in 2008. Or maybe because he was finally motivated because of a contract year. There is NO WAY Cashman even “kicks the tires” on this guy.

  294. cashman needs to go November 10th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    randy l.
    November 10th, 2009 at 9:48 am
    it is very important for my cape cod business to have good employees for next summer.

    they really came through for me down the stretch this fall by hanging in there working extra hours and hitting the goals we had set.

    to make sure they don’t take advantage of me,i have decided to open negotiations for employment for next summer by telling them that the extra push that they did does not count and i will only be going by how well they did during the less important earlier period when no one was tired .

    well, that would be one way to do things if we weren’t a team at my business.
    employees are not adversaries .

    matsui and damon are not adversaries to cashman.

    he needs to knock off the BS that the post season doesn’t matter.

    if anything , it matters more.
    =======================================================

    hence my moniker…. without the billions of $$$ he has at his disposal he hasn’t shown much intelligence otherwise…
    swisher was a no brainer since it only involved betemit (whom cashman coveted for 2 years) so don’t give me that he was smart making that trade…

  295. bru November 10th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    tom tresh 15
    November 10th, 2009 at 9:39 am
    According to Trade Rumors that Chad linked to It has Chapman going to the Sux. Geesh, That should make pete Abe happy. I dont see The Yanks letting the Sux out bid them for Chapman

    ———————————————————-

    why would cashman care if the rs get him?

    he has proven nothing in the majors

    dice k mean anything

    dice is ok but nothing special & is a 5 inning pitcher making 18 million if you factor the posting fee wich came out of the rs pockets

    i see damon,matsui & pettitte all coming back if they can work it out because the alternatives will cost the same or more

    if damon,matsui & pettitte get to greedy they are gone

    i think cash will set a maximum for each & stick to it

    i think he is willing to play melky in lf,gardner/ajax in cf,swish in rf,nady dh & bring only pettitte back

    payroll will be 179 million leaving money for a pitcher

    next year has some nice fa

    crawford,lee,mauer

    melky in lf
    gardner/ajax in cf
    swish in rf
    nady dh

    how many rbi do we lose ?

    melky,matsui & damon gave us about 253 rbi

    if we get

    melky(lf) 68 rbi
    nady 85(dh) rbi
    gardner,ajax (cf) 65 rbi is 218 rbi with arod giving us 20-40 more
    that is 238-258 rbi

    if we bring pettitte & nady back payroll will be about 179 million down from 206 with a nice crop of fa next year

  296. bru November 10th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    randy l.
    November 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am
    “Actually, you’re the one that needs to knock off the BS with your Cashman vendetta. His team won another WS title and there is nothing you can post or say that’s going to take away from what he accomplished this season and what he’s going to do this offseason.”

    crawdaddy-

    cashman was doing fine until he said the post season doesn’t matter.

    it does matter.

    it’s really that simple.

    if you personally can’t handle opposing ideas, that’s your problem.

    cashman was a part of a team that won #27.

    i think his 3-4 million dollar salary reflects his value to a team that spends over 200 million a year.

    this is not cashman’s championship.

    it’s the whole team’s championship which he’s a part.

    i again restate . the postseason matters.

    it is absurd to say it doesn’t because a yankee season is a failure if they don’t do well in a post season.

    i realize it’s very difficult to measure small samples and predict future performance, but with the yankees some of the players have large enough post season samples that you can tell something about the player.

    the yankees actually have an advantage over other teams that their players do have large postseason samples to go by.

    this is not a personal thing with cashman with me. it’s a philosophical issue.
    he tends when he’s bad cashman to fall back into the bad habits of falling into sabermetric dogma.

    he broke out of it last winter by spending 400 million on good players.

    cashman has said one thing i object to and that’s that the postseason doesn’t matter in his evaluations of players.

    i say that’s a mistake.

    every time a baseball player steps on a field it counts.

    ————————————————————

    cashman is saying that the ps alone does not mean damon is more than a 37 yr old lf with no arm,plays an ok lf & will hit 24 hr/85 rbi at his best & should be paid accordingly

    you would do the same

    you cant give damon a 3 yr/45 million dollar contract if he was the ws mvp

    the yankees always pay their players more or fair compared to the rest of baseball

    if damon was on any other team he does not get 13 million a year,same with matsui

  297. SouthPaw November 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    I think it’s much better to overpay for 1 year with Damon at maybe 10-12 million than a multi year deal. With Crawford being available next year and hopefully AJAX being ready, you would not only make the team younger, but more importantly, add much needed speed and defense to the OF.

    Matsui has been a great player for us, but if those knees get any worse, all he will be able to do is turn over ground balls to 2nd.
    It’s alot easier to pick up a bat in midseason than a P. I would also stay away from Lackey.

  298. Rick November 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Wannna sign a Soriano ? Try Rafael of Atlanta !
    He’s already pitched in AL and done well !

    Mike Gonzalez also deserves a good look ! Both had outstanding yrs. with Atl. in relief and are free agents !

  299. cm photography November 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    It must’ve been exciting to be there and see everything in person


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