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Guzman and Towers elect free agency

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 11, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have made their first moves of the offseason, outrighting both Freddy Guzman and Josh Towers off of the 40-man roster.

Brian Cashman said that both players have elected free agency.

Guzman was perhaps the least likely player in the middle of the World Series celebration. Added to the Triple-A roster at the end of August, Guzman ultimately served as a pinch runner through part of the playoffs and had a spot in the victory parade, barely two months after he joined the organization.

Towers was nearly the same longshot to play a role. Released by the Nationals, he signed with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in May at a time when the Triple-A rotation was torn apart by call-ups and injuries. He became the team’s top starter and was rewarded with two call-ups.

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  1. Brian from PA November 11th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Tell Cash he needs to work out a 4-team trade with the Twins, Tigers and Mariners where we give up Melky, Juan Miranda, Kei Igawa, Ian Kennedy, David Robertson, Mike Dunn, Ramiro Pena and P.J. Pillitiere and get back Ichiro Suzuki, Curtis Granderson, Joe Mauer, Felix Hernandez and Rick Porcello.

  2. teddy November 11th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    griffey re ups with sea. thats hurts matsui case

  3. Tom in N.J. November 11th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    “Tell Cash he needs to work out a 4-team trade with the Twins, Tigers and Mariners where we give up Melky, Juan Miranda, Kei Igawa, Ian Kennedy, David Robertson, Mike Dunn, Ramiro Pena and P.J. Pillitiere and get back Ichiro Suzuki, Curtis Granderson, Joe Mauer, Felix Hernandez and Rick Porcello.”

    :?:

  4. Andrew November 11th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    I can’t wait to hear the crazy ovations that Towers and Guzman get upon their returns to Yankee Stadium to receive their championship rings. I’m predicting a standing ovation for both, possibly spanning 3 minutes of non-stop clapping.

  5. randy l. November 11th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    “So does this indicate you are going to give Cashman a break now? ”

    maine yankee-

    in a way , i am.

    sometimes people just don’t work well together.

    cashman seems to understand pitching coaches who are pretty mainstream who understand pretty typical pitchers.

    wang was atypical when at his best. he was the creation of someone who’s no longer there.

    the present staff seems to do fine with coaching traditional pitchers with a fastball, slider, curve, cutter, change up mix .

    wang was a unique pitcher who didn’t fall under normal coaching.

    at this point why not have the yankees focus their energy on pitchers they understand instead of one they don’t?

    and at this point why shouldn’t chien ming wang go somewhere that he’s understood and get back his sinker that made him into one of the best pitchers in baseball ?

    there is one option the yankees could do though it’d be kind of dumb .

    they could have him abandon the sinker and be a 95 mph fastball, slider, change up guy.
    that’s what he was before he was taught the sinker.

    he’d probably max out as a 5th starter, but that’s something right?
    at least they’d have someone they understood.

    wang would be crazy to do that though.

    what he should do is leave the yankees by his own choice, sign with the rays, get reunited with the coach that taught him the sinker and go back to winning 15 or more games a year.

  6. Christina: Pictures from the Yankees Parade November 11th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    You might want to throw Shelley Duncan into that deal Brian if you want to make it an even deal.

  7. SJ44 November 11th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Seattle was never an option for Matsui.

    He and Ichiro hate each other and Matsui was never going to consider going to the Mariners.

  8. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    NOOOOOO

    How will the Yankees survive without Josh Towers and Freddy Guzman????

  9. Andrew November 11th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Tim McCarver is flabbergasted by the idea that Matsui would hate Ichiro. All postseason long he said that the Mariners were the only other team that made any sense for Matsui, solely because of Ichiro…which was completely illogical on its own, but still! In my view, Tim McCarver is never wrong!

  10. SJ44 November 11th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    I don’t know Randy, Eiland isn’t a one size fits all pitching coach.

    I don’t know many new pitches coaches who would push CC Sabathia to change the grip on his changeup and fastball and it made him a more effective pitcher.

    He’s very sharp when it comes to mechanics and finger positioning on the baseball.

    He is widely respected by a lot of people in the game for the work he’s done with the staff.

    He’s anything but a robot.

    He’s just not a guy who toots his own horn or has a publicist booking him on talk shows to talk philosophy.

  11. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    SJ44
    November 11th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
    Seattle was never an option for Matsui.

    He and Ichiro hate each other and Matsui was never going to consider going to the Mariners.

    ***************
    What exactly is the story behind Matsui and Ichiro? I’ve read many times that they don’t like each other, but have never seen a reason.

  12. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Andrew
    November 11th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
    I can’t wait to hear the crazy ovations that Towers and Guzman get upon their returns to Yankee Stadium to receive their championship rings. I’m predicting a standing ovation for both, possibly spanning 3 minutes of non-stop clapping.

    ********************
    Too funny. :D

  13. Vincent November 11th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Ichiro is an egomaniac and his own teammates hate him. Not a hard reason to see why anyone, let alone Matsui, would dislike him.

  14. MaineYankee November 11th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    SJ44

    I recall that when Gaudin came to the Yankees Eiland work with him to make his pitches more effective.

  15. ADam November 11th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    Nice… lookin forward to seeing A-Jax on the 40 man

  16. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    I just don’t think there is anything wrong with asking Wang to develop secondary pitches. You can’t have a starter throw 1 pitch, when some teams crush that pitch or when any team can crush it on a bad day.

    The yankees were completely right in trying to get Wang to broaden his repertoire, and any time a team takes a player to arbitration its brutal. The phillies absolutely wore out Ryan Howard in his arbitration cases. Cashman has always been extremely complimentary of Wang in the media.

    And bottom line is, Wang still threw over 70% fastballs even when they asked him to work on his other pitches.

  17. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Erin-
    I have read that Ichiro is sort of jealous of Matsui.
    Ichiro feel as if he should be “the man” man in Japan rather than Matsui. Ichiros grief is that he was a force in MLB before Matsui and should get more respect. The problem is Matsui was an icon in Japan well before Ichiro arrived in the states. Ichiro in Japan was an excellent ballplayer in his own right but Matsui was Godzilla for a reason.

  18. SJ44 November 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    It goes back to their days in Japan.

    Its funny when I read lazy sportswriters “predict” Matsui is going to Seattle. I guess because there is one Japanese guy in Seattle, its “common knowledge”, another Japanese guy will follow him! lol

    Seriously, folks crack me up. Bobby Valentine tells great stories about the whole Matsui-Ichiro thing in Japan.

    Think Arod v. Jeter except Matsui and Ichiro REALLY hate each other.

    Even when things were icy (which they aren’t now), Arod and Jeter never hated one another.

    Much, much different deal with Matsui and Ichiro.

    If Matsui isn’t resigned, I could see him DH’ing in Anaheim. They need LH power and they aren’t re-signing Vlad.

    Matsui would hit will in that ballpark and the weather would help his knees tremendously.

  19. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    What exactly is the story behind Matsui and Ichiro? I’ve read many times that they don’t like each other, but have never seen a reason.

    Ichiro believes he is the better player in regard to career in Japan & MLB. japanese culture thus makes Ichiro Matsui’s sempai. By custom, matsui should bow to Ichiro upon meeting him. Matsui bows to no man.

    Ichiro displeased.

    Matsui smiles indignantly

  20. JRod November 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    I would like to see Towers signed to a minor-league deal. He was a major contributor to SWB, but I’m sure he would have better odds to crack the majors by going to Spring Training with another team. I doubt anyone would give him a 40-man spot prior to then though.
    As for Guzman, if the Yankees have room for and want a fast AAA outfielder, I’d suggest Joey Gathright.

  21. DT - OPPC member November 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    “How will the Yankees survive without Josh Towers and Freddy Guzman????”

    Their championship memory will live on.

    The Yankees are building a high-rise senior citizens home in honor of the 2009 Championship team – aptly named Guzman Towers.

    The first tenant will be Angel Berroa.

  22. Crawdaddy November 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    I hope Wang is strengthening his lower body as well as his shoulder.:)

  23. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    MR.OCTOBER
    November 11th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
    Erin-
    I have read that Ichiro is sort of jealous of Matsui.
    Ichiro feel as if he should be “the man” man in Japan rather than Matsui. Ichiros grief is that he was a force in MLB before Matsui and should get more respect. The problem is Matsui was an icon in Japan well before Ichiro arrived in the states. Ichiro in Japan was an excellent ballplayer in his own right but Matsui was Godzilla for a reason.

    **********************
    Thank you. I figured it had something to do with their Japan days.

  24. CountryClub November 11th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Yes, Eiland and the yanks changed Gaudin’s motion and it helped a ton with his breaking stuff.

  25. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Ichiro feel as if he should be “the man” man in Japan rather than Matsui. Ichiros grief is that he was a force in MLB before Matsui and should get more respect. The problem is Matsui was an icon in Japan well before Ichiro arrived in the states. Ichiro in Japan was an excellent ballplayer in his own right but Matsui was Godzilla for a reason.

    Ichiro is actually widely regarded as the best japanese player in Japan. The problem is, Matsui is more ‘beloved’ because of his personality and his flare for the dramatic in NPB. The Japanese people still love Matsui, though they were let down by his less than HOF career in America.

    i would have loved to be on the streets of Tokyo during the WS Game 6 and Matsui’s subsequent MVP. I took a lot of pictures of Matsui advertisements around tokyo when I went.

  26. Crawdaddy November 11th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    It must burn Ichiro that Matsui won the WS MVP?

  27. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    “Seriously, folks crack me up. Bobby Valentine tells great stories about the whole Matsui-Ichiro thing in Japan.”

    Could you perhaps re-tell some of those stories? I still see no reason why these two hate each other except for “They just do”

  28. Jim Mason November 11th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Boras speaking about Damon’s age:

    “Chronological age does not have anything to do with a player of his genetics”

    Veiled reference to HGH? Boras is probably worse than an actual drug dealer – “I know you are talented but you can make even MORE millions on this stuff!”

  29. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    I guess 2 mil for a guy who can possibly hit 20 HR’s isn’t too bad.

    Ichiro maybe some brilliant poet-athlete or whatever but he is definitely a schmuck as well.

  30. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    And say what you will about Ichiro vs Matsui, Ichiro might be the hit king, but Matsui usually out OPS’s him every year thanks to his power and patience.

    Ichiro is a technically better hitter, but Matsui is the champ.

  31. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    So how does this work
    Are Damon Pettitte and Matsui still on the 40 man. When do they move off the 40 man?

  32. SJ44 November 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Maine,

    They are also working on changing his delivery to make his slider more consistent.

    He’s an interesting piece for next year.

    He could take Aceves’ role in the bullpen, allowing Ace to move into the fifth spot in the rotation for 2010.

    I have a gut feeling Joba is going to end up in the bullpen next year.

    I know they are having him prepare to be a starter, which is the right thing to do.

    However, regardless of the posturing, I don’t see two young kids in the rotation next year.

    My gut tells me Joba will be in the pen and Hughes will be in the rotation.

    One of the things that came from the post-season, and something the Yankees will discuss when they convene their internal meetings, was the return of Joba’s electric stuff in October.

    Is that from protecting him innings-wise? Or, is it that his stuff just translates better in the pen?

    That’s for the guys who get paid the big bucks to decide.

    However, more than one person associated with the Yankees noticed how good his stuff was coming out of the pen.

    Going to be interesting to see how it ends up.

  33. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Also I’d still love to Ichiro on the yankees.

  34. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    “Ichiro believes he is the better player in regard to career in Japan & MLB. japanese culture thus makes Ichiro Matsui’s sempai. By custom, matsui should bow to Ichiro upon meeting him. Matsui bows to no man.

    Ichiro displeased.

    Matsui smiles indignantly ”

    randy believes he is the superior poster and thus expects me to refer to him as randy-sama. When I don’t, it angers him greatly.

  35. upstate kate November 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    DT
    how do you come up w/ these crazy ideas?
    Its been awhile since we had a Berroa joke :)

  36. Pat M. November 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    GB7….I just returned from seeing my Othropod, and it appears that I’ll be starting my physical theraphy in a few days….However it also means that my Cadillac trip to Hilton Head & then Savannah is off…..In the past 12 months I’ve had 2 knee cleanings & a hip reconsrtuction proceedure….It’ll be good to start swing my wedge in a few weeks, but I’ll be taking lessons to modify my swing to conform to what’s left of my aching hinges……..However, as I hoist a bottle of Coors, I’ll be thinking and thanking you , my lost friends from Nam, and of course all those who continue to maintain our way of life…..I’ll also be thinking of you and a driver as the ultimate secret weapon…..I thank You GB7……

  37. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    SJ, would you give Damon 2 years? Cashman wants to get younger and more athletic….I can see him giving Damon 1 and a team option, but 2? I’m not sure how much the guy has left and if he goes quickly, then how do the Yankees replace him? Do you agree with me that Cash is going to want to do this fairly quickly so that, if things can’t be worked out, they move on? If they have no interest in Bay or Holliday, how are they expecting to get younger and more athletic? There are no good OFers as FA next year and they’d have to trade Hughes/Joba/Montero to get anyone decent as that is all teams ask from them. GMs do not seem to value our farm system at all……..

    I don’t get why Joba and Phil wouldn’t prepare as starters. If Phil is in the pen this year, then that tells me the Yankees have changed their minds on him and that they don’t think he’s a starter. Putting him in the pen, even for a short time, will set this kid back because what he needs to be doing is starting….

  38. Crawdaddy November 11th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    Once a player declares free agency, he’s removed from the 40 man roster until the team signs him or he’s offered arbitration and acccept it which basically means he’s a signed player.

  39. ArtieA November 11th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    You have to keep Wang..too much proven stuff to give up on now.He represents added depth in the pitching corp in the second half of the year. You can bet on this, somebody is going to be hurt or on the DL. He still looks like a reasonable insurance policy for the yanks.

  40. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    As to Eiland, I think Verducci mentioned that he helped Gaudin improve his slider….

    SJ/CB, would you bring Hinske and Hairston back? I would – I just don’t think we have any indication that Pena can really hit enough to stick as a utility infielder and I like what Hairston brings.

  41. airweatherservice November 11th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    I wonder what Oakland A fans think about Reggie Jackson’s ‘everything Yankee’ approach to life? Seems he was a beast in Oakland where they gave him his start and a coupla World Series rings.

    gb7 – big space between Savannah and Beaufort, NC – def a shame about Brien Taylor – not that it matters at all, I went to West Carteret High School in Morehead City – Taylor went to East Carteret in Beaufort. His high school is located on a barren stretch of Hwy 70 East – evidently scouts go E V E R Y W H E R E.

    Happy Veteran’s Day.

  42. Crawdaddy November 11th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    “I wonder what Oakland A fans think about Reggie Jackson’s ‘everything Yankee’ approach to life? Seems he was a beast in Oakland where they gave him his start and a coupla World Series rings.”

    Reggie’s been working for the Yankees a lot of years since his retirement as a player.

  43. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Once a player declares free agency, he’s removed from the 40 man roster until the team signs him or he’s offered arbitration and acccept it which basically means he’s a signed player.

    So it makes sense to not sign players until after the rule 5 draft so you could use those spots to protect some kids?

  44. Andrew November 11th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    “There are no good OFers as FA next year and they’d have to trade Hughes/Joba/Montero to get anyone decent as that is all teams ask from them. GMs do not seem to value our farm system at all……..”

    Betsy Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth are two people who are free agents after the 2010 season. There is also the presumption that Austin Jackson will at some point be ready to play in the major leagues, perhaps during 2010 or by 2011, which could mean another viable OFer. Then you also have other guys that are arbitration eligible that teams may not be able to afford raises on and thus might look to trade at some point, either this offseason or next. A lot of possibilities as a result of the economic hardships of some teams + some decent free agents next year.

  45. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    I would try to keep Wang if at all possible…..do a Lieber like deal.

    Pat M, a speedy recovery to you!

    Jackson definitely needs more time at AAA, but it is encouraging that Cashman thought he had a very good year……

  46. raymagnetic November 11th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Why wouldn’t Matsui and Ichiro get along. They have so much in common. They’re both Japanese and play baseball in the US.

    That says it all doesn’t it?

  47. DT - OPPC member November 11th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    “DT
    how do you come up w/ these crazy ideas?
    Its been awhile since we had a Berroa joke”

    upstate kate – it helps that I’m left handed. I work with Red Sox fans all day that drives me a little crazy. Oh yeah, and I’m off my meds.

    Veterans Day is a good time to mention Angel Berroa since he fought in the war of 1812.

  48. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Francesca is right – the Yankees are not going to crawl to get Damon back and that Boras’s comments are the kind of comments that would chase the Yankees away (if, that is, Damon lets Boras run things).

  49. CB November 11th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Joba’s stuff looked electric as a starter as well at several times in the season – the boston game where he struck out 12 after giving up 4 in the first. That stretch after the all star break this year…

    Joba’s stuff was largely inconsistent regardless of his role. Even out of the pen in the playoffs his stuff was not even close to what it was out of the pen in 2007.

    Joba needs to come to spring training in shape, focused and prepared next season.

    Those are what’s going to define his success or failure regardless of role.

    Before the 2009 season Hughes spent off season time training at the Athletes Sports Institute in LA. He worked on adding strenght and gained around 8 lbs of muscle.

    I would really like to see Joba go to a place like the Athletes Sports Institute to prepare for next season.

  50. Jim Mason November 11th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Francesa is right … in most other parks, Damon’s HR total would be cut in half.

  51. CB November 11th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    betsy,

    I’d really like them to bring Hairston back for one more season. I’d like Pena to get more time in the minors playing the outfield.

    Hinske – that really depends on what happens with Matsui and Damon.

    If both return then I’d rather have the bench bat guy be a right handed hitter. Part of why Hinske played so infrequently is that he was a LH bat on a team filled with premium LH bats.

    Hinske’s defense is also really quite bad. On the whole I think they should make sure they get a veteran bat for the bench but preferably someone who is a better OF defender and RH.

  52. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Andrew, thanks – good stuff and I keep forgetting about arbitration eligible players that could be available.

  53. mick November 11th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    This Damon situation reminds me of Arod’s.

    In the end, why can’t basically the same thing happen?

    Johnny comes marching home. (apropos on Vets Day)

  54. MaineYankee November 11th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    I’ve seen Damons name linked to the White Sox. Maybe he should talk to Swish about Ozzie. :lol:

  55. Erica - always OPPC November 11th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Tom in N.J.
    November 11th, 2009 at 11:55 am
    Listen: Johnny Damon has come unstuck in time

    *******

    I told you Johnny Damon was all powerful

  56. tampayank November 11th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    poor Guzman, well at least he milked it while it lasted…the parade, the Knicks game, etc……if Damon is letting Boras command, his days in New York are over and he greatly benefited by NYS RF

    also I don’t want to sound like the old writer for this blog but are there any talks of ballpark adjustments or are they going to wait a couple of years?

  57. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    CB, I think Joba is a real key to the season. I don’t expect him to be great, but if he can be good, then the rotation is all the better and we can more easily live with Phil’s growing pains. Phil clearly benefited from that Athlete’s Institute, so I agree – Joba needs to go there. I wonder if Phil will go there again…..

    Thanks for your response re: Hairston and Hinske. I forgot the Yankees were supposedly playing Pena in the OF – I hadn’t heard of any progress he was making, so I’m not sure if they dropped that? I like him …but the more time in AAA, the better. He’s still young and he can still help us in the future. Good points about Hinske, too. The problem with finding a good bench player is that any decent guy that could get a contract and start on another team is not going to want to ride the pine with the Yankees.

  58. SJ44 November 11th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    I don’t think Hairston or Hinske will come back.

    I’m assuming both guys want to play somewhere and PT is light with the Yankees.

    As far as Damon, it all depends how much info the Yankees get on prospective FA’s for 2010.

    Carl Crawford wants to stay in Tampa. He has told the Rays he will give them a hometown discount to keep him and they will negotiate with him this winter. Remains to be seen if they sign him.

    When the Yankees passed on Santana, they felt very confident (through their sources) they would be able to sign Sabathia.

    If they have similar feelings re: some of the FA’s of 2010, it will affect their negotiations with their own and other FA’s.

    I would give Damon 2 years because he has shown he can hold up.

    This whole, “he has little left”, is nonsense. He had an excellent year, fits into the team well, and is still one of the better players on the team.

    As far as what his HR total is because of the new Stadium, that doesn’t mean much.

    The point is, he is still a very productive player.

    It gets down to economics. If the numbers work, they will re-sign him. If not, he moves on.

    I have a feeling they will do a 2 year deal with him regardless of Scott’s posturing.

    If a team wants to give him a 3 or 4 year deal? I thank him for his time in NY and you move on.

    I don’t see that team out there at the present time.

  59. mick November 11th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Damon is posturing, “negotiating” as George told Jerry.

    If he doesn’t get in line with the Yankee offer, and goes the way of Boras, he will be gone.

    Just a game of chicken. I think he might take a little less to stay here.

  60. MaineYankee November 11th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Cb

    It didn’t take to many games of Hinske in RF to see why he changes teams so often.

    Hairstons versility and experience are what make him a good bench player.

  61. CR9 November 11th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Can someone do me a favor.

    On ESPN Insider, there is a “Lowell, possibly to the Phillies” thingy on the baseball rumors.

    Can someone post it.

    I cannot imagine why the Phillies would want an aging 3B with a worse contract than what Pedro Feliz had. I mean, to steal a line from ESPN, “Come on Man”. If they take away the money and logjam of Lowell, just despicable.

  62. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    I’d definitely like Hairston back. Pena might be the better fielder down the line but he’ll never have Hairston’s bat. Jerry doesn’t have a great bat but Pena will be lucky to hit over replacement level for his career. Hairston is really a great piece to have on the team.

    Hinske, I’m not too sure about. There isn’t much of a spot for him as we saw in the postseason.

  63. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    I think Joba is definitely going to have to win his starting job next Spring. I think Cash has hinted at this already.

    I hope Yank mgmt doesn’t let pride cloud their judgment on this one.

    Joba needs to work hard this winter and if he does, he has an excellent chance of earning that 4 spot.

    But if Joba does end up back in the pen, Cash is going to have to get a cease and desist order against Francesa to end what could be the longest “I told ya so” in the history of broadcasting.

  64. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    The Yankees “will be very cautious” with pitcher Chien-Ming Wang, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. The Yankees always preferred to go year-to-year with Wang, so this is nothing new. Wang is certain to be non-tendered, but the Yankees may be reluctant to do any kind of deal. From Sherman:

    I am getting a strong vibe from Yankee officials that the intention is to non-tender Wang and, perhaps, not even offer him a small base with incentives to return.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

    I guess we’ll see, but I wonder how he could get a vibe on anything as the Yankees haven’t said or done anything…..

  65. randy l. November 11th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    “I don’t know Randy, Eiland isn’t a one size fits all pitching coach.”

    sj44-

    eiland is hard to get a read on because of his low profile approach. i really don’t have much of a feel for him because of this. there’s not a lot written about him or what he actually does.

    but he does seem to do a good job with most pitchers.

    a hard sinker is a really unusual pitch . who else had one or has one one like wang’s at his peak?
    it’s almost as rare as a knuckleball .

    i’m really not being down on eiland or cashman at this point. last summer i watched eiland try everything trying to right wang, and i never heard him say he was working on the things that’s wang’s original coach told him to do to throw the sinker.

    his original coach saw the natural arm slot for a sinker and told wang after showing him the grip, to shorten his stride. this is key. wang had a very long stride before that generated more speed , but wasn’t right for the sinker.

    this tendency to go back to the natural long stride would happen without wang feeling it.
    so he needed constant coaching tune ups.

    that was it. pretty basic.

    the reason that i don’t like the idea of wang adding his old pitches( four seam fastball slider, change up) is that it makes it’s likelier for him to go back to the old long stride.

    i suppose he could be taught to keep a short stride with all the pitches, but it’s easier said than done.

    i just think wang had caught lightning in a bottle with the sinker and he really needed to just ride it out for what it was worth..

    the thing that really confuses things is wang looks good before he faces hitters with his traditional pitches. he throws really hard, but this is with a long stride. he’s just not going to have the sinker when he’s playing around with his other pitches that work better with a long stride.

    anyway, i just don’t want to see a long drawn out mess with wang again next summer.

    i’m not saying i’m right. i’m just saying if i was in charge , cutting ties is a decision i’d make for clarity and closure for all concerned.

  66. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Phil clearly benefited from that Athlete’s Institute, so I agree – Joba needs to go there. I wonder if Phil will go there again…..

    Phil is probably one of the hardest workers on the team in terms of his physical regimen. I bet he will be back or someplace similar.

    Thinking about Wang. Does anyone else feel like if we had real Wang this season he would have put up an ERA around 3, possibly sub 3, with the way our IF defense was changed so dramatically?

    Just envisioning a better positioned Jeter, Cano, and Tex make me salivate with all the GBs.

  67. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    November 11th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
    http://www.hittrackeronline.co…..ype=hitter

    Johnny Damon’s hrs
    least far 347 ft.
    Avg 379
    where are all the cheapy YS HRS??

  68. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Regarding Damon:

    Do I think he’s going to get the 4 years that he’s supposedly looking for? No. Absolutely not.

    I do think he can land himself a Bobby Abreu type deal though and think even that is more than what the Yankees want to offer him at this point. It’s going to be up to Johnny – take less money to stay with the Yankees or take the best contract on the table regardless of the team’s chances of winning.

    In the end, I think he probably winds up in San Fran. They have the money to spend, need a top of the order guy and have the pitching to contend. That said, if I was a Giants’ fan I would cringe at the idea of Damon patrolling that massive LF.

    I think rather than going after any of the free agents, the Yankees should/could focus on Brad Hawpe and play him in RF, moving Swisher to left.

  69. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Have any Yankees ever given them a hometown discount? Nope….I guess because the players know the Yankees could afford them at their price. Unfortunately for those players, the days of the Yankees caving for bad contracts is over.

    SJ, I hope you’re wrong about Hairston. He may find another starting job, but only on a mediocre team; after this year, is he really going to want to go back and play in a place where he’s got no shot at winning and where it’s just a matter of playing out the string?

  70. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Jim Mason
    November 11th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
    Francesa is right … in most other parks, Damon’s HR total would be cut in half.
    WRONG

  71. SJ44 November 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    I don’t see Wang back with the Yankees next year.

    He’s going to be non-tendered and I don’t see the Yankees going crazy over a guy coming off his second major shoulder surgery.

    That’s where the business part of the game rears its ugly head.

    It would surprise me if he signs a low base w/incentives deal with the Yankees after he is non-tendered.

  72. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Jerkface, one of the reasons Phil is a fav of mine is because he’s got a terrific work ethic. You know he wants to be a successful starter – I hope he can get that curve to be more consistent and to gain a workable change because the cutter really works for him. He’s got the pitches….I just hope that his struggles in the post-season had to do with him being tired. He sort of lost his FB command…..earlier, he was simply painting that thing and it was wonderful to see. Anyone with that kind of FB command is going to succeed….

  73. youngtimer November 11th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Damon has filed for free agency, according to Rotowire. :-(

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....pe=fantasy

  74. tampayank November 11th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    SJ

    about Carl Crawford..you may know more than me about him wanting to stay in Tampa but I’ve heard him state several times the last few years how he is not of fan of playing so many games on the artificial turf of Tropicana Field. He even said after a long home-stand last season that he was happy to get on the road to play of some grass…..I would figure w/ these comments he may want out considering there is no new ballpark in the immediate future for the Rays

  75. tampayank November 11th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    also another not about Damon…he has always chased the money…just b/c he puts on the great teammate and ‘I love the Yankees’ who knows what he’s really thinking so not sure if he takes a discount

  76. PittsburghYankeeFan November 11th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    SJ

    Thanks for the post in the previous blog entry. I agree with your sentiments completely. They are looking at the 2010 FA class more, so this year will be quiet.

    Can Scott and Johnny just accept Abreu terms (or close) and be done with it? I assume the first feelers will go out next week after the org meetings.

    In terms of Matsui, it’s interesting. Vlad or Matsui? Same kind of player?

  77. bru November 11th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Yankees May Let Chien-Ming Wang Leave
    By Tim Dierkes [November 11 at 11:40am CST]
    The Yankees “will be very cautious” with pitcher Chien-Ming Wang, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. The Yankees always preferred to go year-to-year with Wang, so this is nothing new. Wang is certain to be non-tendered, but the Yankees may be reluctant to do any kind of deal. From Sherman:

    I am getting a strong vibe from Yankee officials that the intention is to non-tender Wang and, perhaps, not even offer him a small base with incentives to return.

    Wang, 30 in March, had surgery to repair a torn ligament in his shoulder capsule back in July. He hopes to throw a rehab game by April or May.

  78. Rishi November 11th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    CR9:

    Lowell on the block?
    11:46
    AM ETMike Lowell | Red Sox Top Email The Philadelphia Inquirer suggests today that the Philadelphia Phillies could seek to acquire veteran Mike Lowell from the Boston Red Sox to fill their vacancy at third base.

    Lowell is probably on expendable if the Red Sox acquire another third baseman or land a first baseman and move Kevin Youkilis to third in the process.

    The Inquirer adds that Phillies GM Ruben Amaro, Jr. is more likely to fill the void at the hot corner via free agency, and that it’s not likely to be via the long-term, big-money route.

    Sounds like Mark DeRosa is the target, doesn’t it?

  79. iiicollies November 11th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Seems to me that Matsui is a much more disciplined hitter than Vlad

  80. 86w183 November 11th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Hinske is more desirable if Matsui is not back. I would much rather find a more versatile fifth OF than a lefty hitter who is poor defensively and can’t run.

    Hairston and Molina would cost about $ 4 M, Pena and Cervelli about $ 1 M. Gaudin (2.5) and Mitre (1.3) will cost more than Aceves (500 K). It all adds up.

  81. MaineYankee November 11th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    For the ones that get upset with Canos hitting style, Vlad would drive you insane.

  82. Geo November 11th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Guzman messed up the World Series celebration pictures with Teixeira, Mo, all going to hug A-Rod

    he’s like the only unknown player in those pictures.

  83. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Betsy -

    I think the Yankees will let Hairston go thinking that Ramiro Pena, with a year under his belt, can thrive in the utility role.

    Rishi -

    As for Lowell, I’m sure the Sox would LOVE to move him – just not sure there’s a market for an older 3b with a bad hip and a big contract.

    If the Phillies want to upgrade at third there’s no shortage of FA’s who would cost them less than Lowell would and give them about the same production (Adrian Beltre for example)

  84. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    no Vlad
    Pedro would have k’d him in 3 pitches – twice.

  85. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    I think Hinske is going to want to go to a team where he can play a little more regularly.

  86. CR9 November 11th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Thanks Rishi.

    That should be good news, Amaro filling it via FA.

    I guess this is ESPN’s way once again to put rumors out there, or push their ideas out there. What this means, is that ESPN is done with having Lowell on the Red Sox. They’ve just abandoned their 2007 WS MVP.

  87. Geo November 11th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    ^
    Pirates, Nationals would be his best shot of getting signed.

  88. Scott November 11th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Where can Johnny get his 5 yr deal?

  89. Neil November 11th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Hinske will move on. Hairston’s versatility could make him re-signable.

    The 40-man roster will see other changes.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy

  90. bru November 11th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    i like francessas thinking

    get halladay,crawford,mauer,nathan to set up mo & a better cf.

  91. jennifer November 11th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Jerry was so proud to play in and win the WS. After tasting that, I can’t see him going to just any team.

  92. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Rishi Cr9-
    I was thinking Garret Atkins to the Phillies.

  93. pat November 11th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Johnny will be back.

    Boras needs to keep the Yankees in play for a left fielder in order to get Holliday the kind of money he is looking for from another team.

    Getting Damon signed with the Yankees too soon closes that spot and takes the Yankees from the mix which could lower what other teams are willing to expend for Holliday.

    It’s a chess game with Boras. One move always sets up the next one.

  94. vin November 11th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    “I think Hinske is going to want to go to a team where he can play a little more regularly.”

    He did that last year with the Pirates. I see him starting the year with another AAAA team, only to get dealt to a contender in July or maybe August. Either that or he realizes he’s better off starting the year with a contending team.

  95. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Mr. October

    Adrian Beltre for the Phillies.

  96. CR9 November 11th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    What is the point of calling Francessa, nobody can finish a thought. He just cuts everybody off. Why wait on the phone for however long to get cut off and then hung up on.

  97. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    chip-
    Beltre is another good fit for the Phillies.
    The Muts should take a long hard look at Atkins to play first.

  98. CR9 November 11th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    via MLBTR

    Same-division dealing won’t be a big factor for new Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos, according to Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald.

  99. The Ghost November 11th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    They are playing game 2 of the ALCS on MLB network right now

  100. bru November 11th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    yankees interested in lackey & halladay

    wfan

    good move

  101. tex's friend November 11th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    yankees should offer to take wells from the jays too in hopes of not having to give up too much for roy. i believe vernon wells can be productive again on a team with a chance to win.

  102. Mike RI November 11th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    don’t need Doc. . would love to see Lackey

  103. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    “i just think wang had caught lightning in a bottle with the sinker and he really needed to just ride it out for what it was worth..”

    Exactly. And a good pitcher will evolve a larger repertoire as hitters learn to hit the primary pitch.

    But Wang’s sinker was still working.

    Yanks tinkered with evolution!

  104. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
    November 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
    Jim Mason
    November 11th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
    Francesa is right … in most other parks, Damon’s HR total would be cut in half.
    WRONG
    *******************************************************
    actually Mike’s right about this one…fact Prior to coming to Boston and shooting for the Pesky Pole (291ft.) Damon had never hit 20hrs in a season and averaged 12hrs a season.

    he’s had 3 20hr seasons 2 being with the yanks ’06 and last year in the new stadium. Any LH hitter with average power will hit homers in our stadium. The fact that he hit only 7 road homers is a more accurate picture of his power.

    i’m on record thinking that Ankiel playing a full season with us getting 550abs would hit 30-35hrs and if Long can get him up to .280-.290 average wise he could become for us what Ethier has become for the Dodgers under Mattingly’s tutolege and play a great great CF/RF for us and he’s 30 with not alot of position player wear and tear on his body.

    he’s the second coming of Jim Edmunds with some coaching

    SJ what do you think about the potential of Ankiel?

  105. jennifer November 11th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    He hit .231 last year

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=4159

  106. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    The Yanks didn’t mess Wangie up as you guys are suggesting…he was in fact prior to his original injury on his way to another 19 maybe even 20+ win season and was in fact off to probably his best start as a Yank…

    HE GOT INJURED and suffered a second injury as a result of his original injury…

    i think the Yanks bring him back and i also believe he wants to come back and really be a participating part of the repeat title

  107. MaineYankee November 11th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    champ809

    Why didn’t he become Edmunds with the same coaching?

  108. DD's November 11th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Johnny Damon: Files for Free Agency

    Update: Damon has officially filed for free agency, the New York Daily News reports.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....pe=fantasy

  109. NYYROC November 11th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Can’t see the NYY going after Doc for the same reasons they didn’t go for Santana: he will cost them a lot in top young players and then they’ll have to sign him for big $ & years, plus Doc is older than Santana was in 2007.

  110. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    “yankees interested in lackey & halladay”

    Sure.

    But are they genetically fit to be Yankees? :wink:

  111. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    NYYROC
    November 11th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
    Can’t see the NYY going after Doc for the same reasons they didn’t go for Santana: he will cost them a lot in top young players and then they’ll have to sign him for big $ & years, plus Doc is older than Santana was in 2007.

    **************
    I agree-plus he’ll be a free agent after the 2010 season anyway.

  112. jpb1973 November 11th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Tex’s friend:
    yankees should offer to take wells from the jays too in hopes of not having to give up too much for roy. i believe vernon wells can be productive again on a team with a chance to win.

    ———————————————————

    I think that you are correct about Wells. In a better lineup (where he could bat 6th or 7th) I think he could be a strong contributor. Also, he’s still an outstanding outfielder.

  113. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    He hit .231 last year

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/…..yerId=4159
    ***************************************************

    MaineYankee
    November 11th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
    champ809

    Why didn’t he become Edmunds with the same coaching?
    *****************************************************

    he hit .285 in ’07 and .268 w/25 hrs in 400abs in ’08

    last year he got off to slow start got hurt and lost his Job to Colby Rasmus you know the Cards top prospect and future star…

    Swish hit .215 in Chi in ’08 how’d that work for us?

    what did Ethier do in Oakland before getting traded to the Dodgers..

    Ankiel i believe still has some unlocked talent and plays the hell out of the outfield with an absolute cannon for an arm. Unlike Damon he’s got LEGIT LH power in his bat..

    for 2yrs and $10mil i’d much rather go with him being the younger,faster,more athletic,cheaper player with,i think, higher ceiling than 2 years of a diminished defensively challenged 37-38 yr old Damon.

    as Jeet preaches pitching and defense wins championships and he most certainly makes our outfield defense much,much better and as a result makes an already top of the league staff a much better pitching staff. All of our guys, starters and relievers, are flyball pitchers so improving our outfield defense is a must if we’re to defend our crown

  114. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    And Chad just got referenced on MLB Trade Rumors!

    Not sure it’s happened before but if not, Congrats to Chad on the proverbial “cherry popping”.

  115. stanzy November 11th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    The whole McCarver thing about Matsui “naturally” wanting to go to Seattle to be with Ichiro always struck me as odd. Seems like an old fashioned, small-minded (not that all things old fashioned are small-minded) way of thinking, to me. And, as with every other stupid thing that came out of McCarver’s mouth this postseason, he repeated it, over and over again. Yeah Tim, he wants to play with Ichiro because they’re both Japanese. Brilliant analysis.

  116. Jason November 11th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    Tom in N.J.
    November 11th, 2009 at 11:55 am
    Listen: Johnny Damon has come unstuck in time

    Poo-tee-weet?

  117. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    the Problem with Wells,who i think needs to get on natural grass, is that taking him is commiting $98 million until i think 2015 which is unimaginable…the Jays wouls have to throw in a minimum of $40mil cash in order to move him

  118. randy l. November 11th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Once upon a time

    “HE GOT INJURED and suffered a second injury as a result of his original injury…”

    THE END

    i think there’s a little left out in that story.

    here’s my version:
    wang was told by the yankees to do nothing , no working out, no throwing , no nothing last winter to recover from the first injury.

    when spring training came there were no tests done that identified the lower body weakness that he had.

    he was thrown in with the other pitchers in normal workouts.

    he undiagnosed hip weakness because the yankees didn’t bother to check eventually undid wang and he stunk by historic measures.

    once he was sent down to tampa to try to find what was wrong, arod’s hip therapist saw wang and he said wang had a hip problem.

    this was an inadvertent discovery and really dumb luck.

    the yankees dodged a bullet right? wrong. after going through hip strengthening and pitching in games, wang was brought up prematurely when joba had a line drive off his leg.

    joba never missed a start and wang was sent to the bullpen to lose the starter length he was developing.

    all this time all the way back to spring training his arm slot was way too high because of his hip problem.

    he pitched with the wrong arm slot until he eventually blew out his shoulder.

    THE END

  119. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    stanzy-McCarver is an idiot. As soon as I heard him say that, I knew Matsui would never end up in Seattle. ;)

  120. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    i don’t think that it’s just to play with Ichiro but also that the Mariners,being owned by the Nintendo Corp., could have a even bigger marketing/merchandising bonanza in Asia and the Pacific rim with those two together.

    The problem is that Ichiro is a jerk/diva and would not want to share the spotlight with Matsui and certainly not after Matsui-san won the WS MVP as he may actually upstage Ichiro a lil bit right now

  121. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    i don’t think that it’s just to play with Ichiro but also that the Mariners,being owned by the Nintendo Corp., could have a even bigger marketing/merchandising bonanza in Asia and the Pacific rim with those two together.

    The problem is that Ichiro is a jerk/diva and would not want to share the spotlight with Matsui and certainly not after Matsui-san won the WS MVP as he may actually upstage Ichiro a lil bit right now

  122. roid sox November 11th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Anybody know who got added to roster in guzman towers place?

  123. tampayank November 11th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Vote for AROD on the ESPN Freeze Frame

    http://espn.go.com/espn/freezeframe/

  124. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Chip, Pena is not ready -I’m not sure I agree with you that the Yankees think so. Hairston is a perfect fit; if he’s willing to come back, then I think the Yankees just ought to get it done.

  125. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Randy L.

    could be.

    i just hope he gets healthy,gets right and gets an oppurtunity to be what he was for us once more

  126. Chad Jennings November 11th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Been on MLBTradeRumors before, but it’s always fun to be linked there.

    Want to let everyone know that I was able to get an early standby flight out of Chicago, so I’ll be out of touch for a few hours. I have a few more notes that I’ll post when I land. Thanks for sticking with me these past three days.

  127. Chad Jennings November 11th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Also, no one has been added in place of Guzman and Towers but those spots will eventually go to players who need to be protected from the Rule 5. Should know who’s added later this month.

  128. roid sox November 11th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Damon can’t reach jeter on two hops on a throw from the outfield. And every fly ball is an adventure with him. He needs to be DH. Either him or matsui for DH. Only one should stay. need to find a younger more athletic outfielder. Actually move posada to DH and get a real catcher!

  129. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Betsy

    what makesyou think Pena is not ready?

    he hit .287 in limited abs and played great D when he had to. Keep in mind he’d be the utility guy which on this team means he’l play sparingly maybe 120 abs.

    why pay Hairston $2mil to sit on the bench and play once every two weeks when Ramiro can do that for 375K?

  130. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Joba still didn’t have his electric stuff back from the bullpen in the post season. He hasn’t thrown 98-102 since he got hurt in Texas. He and Hughes are still gonna be starters.

  131. tex's friend November 11th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    nyp_joelsherman I am reporting that #Tigers Granderson is available http://bit.ly/1MloU4, and the #Yankees will probably have lots of interest

    ____

    I like that. Granderson in CF and move Melky to LF. Granderson makes up for losing Damon and younger.

  132. abe November 11th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    It’s explained already a bit, but iciness between Matsui and Ichiro goes back to their high school days. Their teams had a practice game, but Matsui didn’t bow to Ichiro before the game (Ichiro is one year older). Also, Ichiro was a fourth-round draft pick by a lowly team, while Matsui was a first-round draft pick by the Yomiuri Giants (the Yankees of Japan, 9 championships in a row at one point).

  133. Tom in N.J. November 11th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Safe flight home Chad!

  134. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 11th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    he’s the second coming of Jim Edmunds with some coaching
    SJ what do you think about the potential of Ankiel?
    ====

    Jim Edmonds? That Jim Edmonds? One of the best CF ever. There was talk, at one point, that we would get him – think Mendoza was part of the bait.

    Sorry – Ankiel isn’t in the conversation. I admire the guy’s arm, though.

  135. roid sox November 11th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Thanks for the update chad.

  136. raymagnetic November 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    “Have any Yankees ever given them a hometown discount? Nope….I guess because the players know the Yankees could afford them at their price. ”

    Jeter was willing to give the Yankees a discount but Steinbrenner nixed the contract.

    Then A-Rod signed his ridiculous contract and well, the rest was history.

    Some would argue that Cano has a very team friendly contract.

  137. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    So yesterday the White Sox said they’ll have to pass on Matsui and today Seattle seems officially out.

    Take away the NL if you only see Matsui as a DH….

    That’s 11 teams left not counting the Yanks.

    Oh, and cross off the Sox as they have their own DH issues.

    That’s 10.

    Out of those 10, cross off those who can’t really afford to spend 10 million on a DH.

    I think SJ44 said it’s really about the Angels.

  138. Mark in Tampa November 11th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    I thought it went back to an interview with Japanese Esquire, where Ichiro said Matsui is an OK player, but only thought to be great because of all the talent around him with the Yomiuri Giants. :)

  139. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    tex’s friend
    November 11th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
    nyp_joelsherman I am reporting that #Tigers Granderson is available http://bit.ly/1MloU4, and the #Yankees will probably have lots of interest

    ____

    I like that. Granderson in CF and move Melky to LF. Granderson makes up for losing Damon and younger.

    Quite intriguing

  140. roid sox November 11th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Granderson in center would be awesome. Overall upgrade to outfield with Melky in left or right. Gardner strong off the bench and good 4th outfielder. Swish would be only weak link.

  141. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Betsy -

    I’m pretty sure the only thing the Yankees wanted Pena to do was get some work in the OF – which he did towards the end of the season and I’m sure he will do in winter ball.

    I would like to have Hairston back but think that he, much like Hinske, will opt to go to a team where he can play a little more regularly than he will with the Yankees.

    If the Yankees want a veteran utility type there will be lots of them out there who may be more accepting of playing once every couple of weeks.

  142. Andrew November 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    The Granderson rumor is an interesting one, especially because people frequently compare/compared Austin Jackson to Granderson and he would have to be involved in the deal, most likely. He seems like the kind of guy the Yankees would target in that he would be an investment for years to come due to having a contract already in place, and they would probably think that working with K-Long could improve his splits against lefties and maybe cut down on his K’s. But if they traded for him I would assume it meant no more Johnny, and more of a possibility of bringing back Hideki.

  143. bru November 11th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    rumors say that the rs could play matsui in lf if bay leaves

    only posting what i read

  144. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Yankees should see what it would take to get Granderson and Edwin Jackson from the Tigers.

  145. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Swish would be only weak link.

    Except he isn’t a weaklink. And he works very hard to improve. His throwing has got a lot better which was the only gap in his defense. He is average to above average in RF.

  146. bru November 11th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    roid sox
    November 11th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
    Granderson in center would be awesome. Overall upgrade to outfield with Melky in left or right. Gardner strong off the bench and good 4th outfielder. Swish would be only weak link.

    ————————————————————

    he batted .183 against lefties

  147. Mark in Tampa November 11th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    “rumors say that the rs could play matsui in lf if bay leaves”

    What would they do in left for the other 161 games?

  148. 86w183 November 11th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    In his first 21 starts Joba was 8-2, 3.73. He allowed 3 ER or less in 17 of those starts and his worst outing was five.

    If he can do that over 32 starts in 2010 I’d say let him have at it. Maybe Hughes ends up staying in the pen, who knows?

    I expect the Yanks to find a way to add a young corner OF with either Damon or Matsui as the primary DH and some RH hitter to share utility OF duties with Gardner.

    If the Yanks take on Wells contract they should get Halladay for nothing.

  149. pat November 11th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Granderson is young, a lefty bat, a reportedly good guy and has a reasonable contract for the next couple of years. He basically had Swisher numbers in 2009. Low BA, power and lots of Ks. Interesting option depending on the price tag.

    10:$5.5M, 11:$8.25M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M club option ($2M buyout)

  150. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    As far as Matsui in leftfield for the Red Sux. Would his defense on 1 leg be better or worse than what Manny gave them?

  151. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Mark in Tampa
    November 11th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
    “rumors say that the rs could play matsui in lf if bay leaves”

    What would they do in left for the other 161 games?

    ******************************
    :D

  152. rconn23 November 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Granderson is an exciting player, but he is completely neutralized by lefthanded pitching, to the point where he becomes essentially an automatic out.

    Pass.

  153. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    How about these two deals:

    Zach McAllister and Alfredo Aceves to the Royals for David DeJesus

    Brackman, Kennedy, Reegie Corona, and Melancon to the Rox for Hawpe and Clint Barmes

    lineup:

    Jeter
    DeJesus – LF
    Tex
    Alex
    Posada
    Hawpe – RF
    Swisher – DH
    Cano
    Jackson/Melky – CF

  154. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Yanks should see if they can buy low on Granderson. He’s coming off a season where he had a perfectly avg OPS+ of 100 and should bounce back especially in our park. I’d imagine that Melky or Gardy would be in the deal.

  155. roid sox November 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    bru: he batted .183 against lefties

    even with that he hit 30 HRs in Detroit, what does that translate to at yankee stadium? He would be the best centerfielder defensively since bernie and I think he has a decent arm. won’t crack his bat every other at bat like damon did.

  156. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    http://www.mlive.com/tigers/in.....on_ma.html

    And he cleans up well

  157. tex's friend November 11th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    November 11th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
    Granderson in center would be awesome. Overall upgrade to outfield with Melky in left or right. Gardner strong off the bench and good 4th outfielder. Swish would be only weak link.

    ————————————————————

    he batted .183 against lefties

    ____

    Long could work with him on slapping hits the other way vs. lefties.

  158. umm, OK November 11th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    In his first 21 starts Joba was 8-2, 3.73. He allowed 3 ER or less in 17 of those starts and his worst outing was five.

    If he can do that over 32 starts in 2010 I’d say let him have at it. Maybe Hughes ends up staying in the pen, who knows?
    =========================================================
    and my dead grandmother who had both her legs amputated 2 years before she died can also come back from the dead and win the 100 meter dash at the next summer olympics..

  159. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    lineup:

    Jeter
    DeJesus – LF
    Tex
    Alex
    Posada
    Hawpe – RF
    Swisher – DH
    Cano
    Jackson/Melky – CF

    Why is Hawpe in RF and Swisher at DH?

  160. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    chip-
    If it came down to Hawpe or Swisher in RF with the other DHing Swisher would play the field.

  161. tampayank November 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    the updated sign on the Yankees Spring Training Facility

    http://www2.tbo.com/exposure/a.....s-sign.jpg

  162. bru November 11th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    i like the rumors

    cashman calling on lackey & halladay tells me his thinking is to add pitching debth & not rely on the kids for 2 spots but only one

    if you read between the lines he is going after a pitcher & a cf or corner o.f.

    if we get a corner o.f. melky stays in cf.
    if we get a cf melky moves to lf

    i like granderson in cf,melky in lf

  163. stanzy November 11th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Erin – You’re right. And I should probably let it go. But McCarver and Joe Morgan never fail to drive me absolutely insane. Like when Morgan kept insisting the Swisher left 2nd base early (regular season game against the Red Sox) when the replay showed clearly that he did not. (Credit to Buck and McCarver for not doing the same when Swish was incorrectly called out after tagging up at 3rd.)

    Honestly, is the pool of decent announcers for national broadcasts really so small?

  164. stanzy November 11th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Heh, “the Swisher.” Oops.

  165. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Why is Hawpe in RF and Swisher at DH?

    _________

    Because Hawpe is better defensively than Swisher.

  166. sab November 11th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Chip
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    How about these two deals:

    Zach McAllister and Alfredo Aceves to the Royals for David DeJesus

    Brackman, Kennedy, Reegie Corona, and Melancon to the Rox for Hawpe and Clint Barmes

    lineup:

    Jeter
    DeJesus – LF
    Tex
    Alex
    Posada
    Hawpe – RF
    Swisher – DH
    Cano
    Jackson/Melky – CF
    =====================================================
    why trade for hawpe, AND put him in RF where he makes hinske look like willie mays – when you can just sign matsui and get the same offensive output and not have to give anything up- and have the same defensive output (which is none) – if hawpe shows up with a glove they should automatically deduct $500,000 from his salary…

  167. 86w183 November 11th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    ummm Ok — congratulations on winning the moron of the day contest.

    Hawpe? The Yanks do not to go in search of a mediocre OF. But the dude can hit. Swisher’s defense really improved over the course of the season, but I’d rather see him in LF.

    Granderson is a tremendous talent and his career LH/RH splits are not as bad as this year was. Besides, do you think people will go overboard to match up a LH pitcher against him if he’s hitting ahead of Teixiera and Alex?

    I’d certainly look into the price tag, but it’s gonna be high.

  168. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Mr. October

    6 of one; half dozen of the other. They’re both mediocre outfielders.

  169. Mark in Tampa November 11th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    What is this 2+ year fascination that Yankee fans seem to have with Dejesus? We would be better off giving Ajax a chance, or going into the season with Gardner starting.

  170. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    Sab -

    Hawpe is 6 years younger than Matsui and much less likely to break down. Plus, while he’s not going to win any gold gloves, the fact is he can play the field if needed (which Matsui can’t do)

  171. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    I love Granderson but he’s definitely got some flaws.

    Everyone sees lefty power with speed but he strikes out. A lot. Like 140+ K’s a season.

    Doesn’t hit lefties as Bru said.

    And despite his speed he doesn’t steal that many bases.

    He hit 23 triples 2 seasons ago. It might take the entire Yankee team several seasons to reach 23 triples. But as he hit 23 triples he only had 26 steals. That’s bizarre.

    Still he’s a good young defender and is relatively cheap.

    He’ll be making about as much as Swish with an extra year tacked on.

  172. Andrew November 11th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Hawpe was one of the worst defensive players in the league last year. He is not better defensively than Swisher.

  173. bru November 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    roid sox
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    bru: he batted .183 against lefties

    even with that he hit 30 HRs in Detroit, what does that translate to at yankee stadium? He would be the best centerfielder defensively since bernie and I think he has a decent arm. won’t crack his bat every other at bat like damon did.

    ————————————————————

    i like the idea

    bye bye damon

    if we can get granderson for cf & sign or trade for lackey/halladay or another nice pitcher plus pettitte we are set

    i think miranda could be a nice dh

  174. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Mark

    I’m not blocking Jackson with a trade for DeJesus, just think that in LF, batting second, he would be a great fit for the Yankees.

    Then again I also think Randy Winn would be a good fit in that role so take my opinion for what it’s worth.

  175. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    For the record –

    There’s no chance, none, that the Tigers would deal Granderson. Leyland loves him, he’s a great fit for that club and has the ability to cover the huge CF in Detroit.

  176. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    stanzy
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Honestly, is the pool of decent announcers for national broadcasts really so small?

    ***************
    sadly, I think the answer is yes.

  177. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Chip-
    Yea I agree with you they both arent anything special in the OF but I would say Swisher is better defensively. I spent about a month in Denver two summers ago and got to see Hawpe a lot. He doesnt cover a lot of ground at all. Although his arm is probably stronger than Swishers. Either way Hawpe can HIT. He would be a nice pick up as either a DH or if need be RF.

  178. Nick in SF November 11th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    I have read randy’s comments on Cashman, Eiland, and Wang.

    randy, you need to embrace the philosophy of Jane Seymour:

    “If your heart is open, love will always find its way in.”

    http://www.lechtanski.net/imag.....arts-1.jpg

  179. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Mark,

    As for why DeJesus -

    He’s a good fielder (though compared to Damon that’s not saying too much), a left handed bat that is capable of pulling one out every so often. Has a good eye, is a good situational hitter and, in the number two spot between Jeter and Tex, would see a lot of fastballs that he could pull into the hole.

    He’s also a local guy (born and raised in Brooklyn) and I think he would thrive here.

    Much of the same can be said about Winn except he’s older and a switch-hitter and would likely want more than a 1 year deal.

  180. umm, OK November 11th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    86w183 –

    first of all its called levity – look it up

    second – what did joba do last year, consistently, that would have anyone believe he can maintain the 7 effective starts he had last year…

    Oh yeah I remember now – it was the lights out 1 inning at a time he showed in the postseason, the same postseason by the way, that he gave up a monster homerun in a very important part of the game to a guy who hit 12 homeruns all year AND was batting something like .172 in the postseason…
    or was it the outing that he gave up a monster triple and then a double to light hitting batters, with 2 strikes on them, and mariano had to come and bail him out..

    3 words for you – mirror meet moron

  181. The Damon-ator November 11th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    yet sergio mitre still has a spot on the roster? what gives?

  182. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    October -

    I agree – Hawpe can mash (and if you look at his splits he actually hit better on the road than in Coors). Put him in the park with the short porch where he’s not the only big stick in the lineup and I think good things will happen.

    I would also want to see the Yankees pick up Barmes in a deal for Hawpe – he’s like Jerry Hairston but with power off the bench.

  183. bru November 11th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Curtis Granderson Becomes Available
    By Tim Dierkes [November 11 at 1:47pm CST]
    The Tigers are letting teams know center fielder Curtis Granderson is available, according to an NL executive who talked to the New York Post’s Joel Sherman. Sherman believes the Yankees would have interest.

  184. bru November 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Chip

    granderson is available

  185. paul November 11th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    why would granderson be available ?

  186. haiku-man November 11th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    http://www.nesn.com

    Bosawx interested in Matsui,as back up plan for Bay.

    I’m laughing so hard my side hurts,it MUST be a slow sports newsday!!

  187. sab November 11th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Chip
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
    Sab -

    Hawpe is 6 years younger than Matsui and much less likely to break down. Plus, while he’s not going to win any gold gloves, the fact is he can play the field if needed (which Matsui can’t do)
    ——————————————————-
    Chip thats the point – hawpe can’t play the field either..ok he can play if they desperately need an emergency OF but if you have to trade players to get him then why not just keep matsui for a year and then sign some FA’s that can both hit and play the field…from what everyone is saying the yankees need to keep the DH spot open for 2011 for posada, arod and just about every other over 35 year old on the team.
    yuo know what you have in matsui offensively – hawpe’s offense may not translate to the AL east…

  188. Andrew November 11th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Granderson is available presumably due to money. The Tigers are not exactly in a city that is booming economically and I assume their budget could be under some duress, regardless of how many pizzas and Red Wings jerseys Mike Ilitch can sell. Granderson’s contract is long and decently pricey, and if they are looking for a player that could get back talent in a trade while simultaneously cutting their costs, Granderson would make sense.

  189. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Sab -

    Why wouldn’t Hawpe’s offense translate here? He’s a left handed power bat – if anything he would THRIVE in Yankee Stadium. Plus consider the following:

    Outside of Coors – every park in the NL West is a pitcher’s park; Every park in the AL East is a hitter’s park.

    According to Ken Rosenthal the Rockies want a relief pitcher and RH hitting OF – In a heartbeat I would give them Bruney/Aceves and Melky to get the deal done.

    And while I like Matsui – you really don’t know what you’re going to get from him. How often in the last three years has he been in the lineup? He’s having yet another knee operation this winter. Hawpe’s younger and healthier.

  190. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    It might be a good thing if Matsui were to sign with the Sox. He would have to play the outfield because they have a bunch of dh type players as is. Also I would think his power numbers would drop a little as a left handed bat in Fenway as opposed to Yankee Stadiums power alley. Just his defense alone makes the Sux a lot weaker than with Bay.

  191. CompassRosy November 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    ~~~~MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 12:02 pm NY-
    Good call with Griffey. Eliminate the Mariners for Hideki !~~~~

    I don’t know that the two are mutually exclusive. Junior’s contract is likely (relatively) cheap and his role will likely be reduced to part time DH/PH, full time Kangaroo Court Judge. With all the $$$ coming off the M’s books, I’m sure they have plenty of flexibility to sign others.

    ~~~~champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 2:34 pm …..
    The problem is that Ichiro is a jerk/diva and would not want to share the spotlight with Matsui and certainly not after Matsui-san won the WS MVP as he may actually upstage Ichiro a lil bit right now~~~~

    Funny, last season, Ichiro seemed perfectly willing to “share the spotlight” (with the greatest Mariner ever no less). Not only was he willing to share it, he seemed to revel in the sharing…

    http://compassrosy.blogspot.co.....s-616.html

  192. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Bru -

    Granderson’s available the same way Cano’s available. If you go to the Tigers and blow them away you can have him, but to get him you’re talking about a deal starting with Hughes/Joba and including Montero and Jackson.

  193. Jon Locke November 11th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    If the Yanks were smart they would stay far away from Damon unless they can get him on a 1 year deal.

    Lineup:
    Jeter (SS)
    Figgins (LF) Unless Damon signs for 1 year. If not Figgins would play this season in LF and then move elsewhere once we get Crawford next winer
    Teix (1B)
    Alex (3B)
    Matsui (DH) 1 year deal
    Posada (C)
    Cano (2B)
    Nady or Swisher (RF)
    A Jackson (CF)

    Our rotation next year should be
    CC, AJ, Andy, Hughes , We need another lefty.. No clue who they could get though this winter.

    I would trade Cano ONLY for a top flight pitcher (Matt Cain, King Felix, Doc Holliday, etc).. Then you could have Figgins play 2nd for the season. Other that those, Cano stays put.

    Melky is a bench player.. His trade value will never be higher than it is now. If we can get someone decent in return, ship him off. I’ve seen Austin play, he is better right now than Melky is. Our first homegrown 5 tool player in a very long time and he deserves the chance to start.

    Joba needs to be in the bullpen. I don’t need another season of 5 inning Joba. He had 25 starts to prove something and only in 3 of those starts did he show even flashes of greatness.

  194. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    From the NESN piece on the Sox supposed interest in Matsui:

    According to NPB Tracker, citing a report from the Japanese-language Nikkan Sports, the Red Sox are preparing to make a multiyear offer to the 35-year-old Matsui, who hit 28 homers in 456 at-bats during the past season while serving as the Yankees’ designated hitter.”

    I think the Red Sox already have enough OF health issues with Drew without adding even more of a risk.

    Maybe they’re trying to scare Bay into accepting their offer.

    They should know better. Canadian boys don’t scare easy.

    Matsui in Fenway would be revenge for Damon.

    Think of the marketing. “Godzilla Tames The Monster!”

  195. vin November 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Ellsworth,

    I like the first comment from your link:

    “And Left handers un-dress him”

  196. Jim Mason November 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Yankees should let Damon AND Matsui walk. The previous year and a half both looked washed up, or at least in decline. What a coincidence in their walk years, both played MUCH better than anyone expected. Yes they helped win a title … but time to say bye-bye.

  197. bru November 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    the tigers gm has a good trading relationship with cashman

    i can see an ajax,kennedy & another prospect for granderson

    shedding money to survive is going to be big this offseason

    ticket sales are down big time

  198. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Funny, last season, Ichiro seemed perfectly willing to “share the spotlight” (with the greatest Mariner ever no less). Not only was he willing to share it, he seemed to revel in the sharing…

    Griffey is Ichiro’s favorite player. Matsui is Ichiro’s greatest rival. Huge difference.

  199. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    MR.OCTOBER
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
    It might be a good thing if Matsui were to sign with the Sox. He would have to play the outfield because they have a bunch of dh type players as is. Also I would think his power numbers would drop a little as a left handed bat in Fenway as opposed to Yankee Stadiums power alley. Just his defense alone makes the Sux a lot weaker than with Bay.

    ***********************
    I don’t ever want to see Matsui in a Red Sox uniform.

  200. Jim Mason November 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    I thnk it’s a pipe dream to think Damon and Matsui will take one-year deals.

  201. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Locke –

    I want nothing to do with Figgins. He’s a guy who is entering his over-the-hill years who only has speed as an asset. He’s going to command at least a 5 or 6 year deal and big money…plus he’s got an awful arm for an outfielder which is why he was moved to 2nd (and eventually 3rd) by the Angels in the first place.

  202. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    The previous year and a half both looked washed up, or at least in decline.

    Matsui hit .295 with patience while completely injured. He is a steady contributor.

  203. Jim Mason November 11th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    “I don’t ever want to see Matsui in a Red Sox uniform.”

    who cares? It’s not like Rivera or Jeter wearing a Boston uniform.

  204. paul November 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    2 huge bats and a lot of HR’s from the left side if we lose matsui and damon.

  205. Jim Mason November 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Matsui hit .295 with patience while completely injured. He is a steady contributor.

    so before the season you thought he’d be MVP of the World Series? Yeah, right. I’m sure the Yankees themselves are surprised at how good a year he had.

  206. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Jim Mason
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
    “I don’t ever want to see Matsui in a Red Sox uniform.”

    who cares? It’s not like Rivera or Jeter wearing a Boston uniform.

    ********************
    True, but it would just seem wrong to me.

  207. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    It’s a complete pipe dream to think Damon or Matsui will take one year deals – as I’ve said about a dozen times, for Damon Bobby Abreu’s deal is a perfect comparison for him. I would be shocked if he wound up with anything less than what Abreu was given by the Angels.

    As for Matsui – his options are more limited by the fact that he doesn’t play the field, but he has the fall back of going back to Japan where, on reputation alone, he would get a far better offer than the Yankees are willing to make.

  208. Jim Mason November 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    2 huge bats and a lot of HR’s from the left side if we lose matsui and damon.

    You were probably worried about losing Giambalco’s on-base percentage too.

    Posada is already signed for two more years. Jeter will have to be re-signed. Gotta get younger somewhere. Better to go out on a high note with these two.

  209. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    “Sorry – Ankiel isn’t in the conversation. I admire the guy’s arm, though.”

    bodi

    i don’t know if you’re aware but the Yanks were gonna talking to the Cards about IPK for Ankiel last offseason and supposedly the Cards backed off from IPK as his value was way down at the time….Ank is a FA now and won’t cost a prospect just a check…i think he maybe an internal consideration for the Yanks if “Elvis” goes elsewhere

  210. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    ERIN-
    I agree with you. It would be devastating to see Hideki in a Boston uniform. He has been a constant professional here. Personally, I cant see Boston having an interest in him. The rumor is probably a scare tactic to get someone else to sign. (bay) Lets face it though Matsui in the outfield weakens any team.

  211. Jim Mason November 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    True, but it would just seem wrong to me.

    If you accepted Damon in a Yankee uniform, Matsui in Boston would be easier to take.

  212. Nick in SF November 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    My $ says Matsui doesn’t go to Seattle. 2-1 odds!

  213. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    so before the season you thought he’d be MVP of the World Series? Yeah, right. I’m sure the Yankees themselves are surprised at how good a year he had.

    What does World Series MVP have to do with anything? I don’t go into any season thinking “This guy is going to be world series MVP”, that’s not helpful at all.

    I went into this season thinking Matsui would be a useful bat at DH and I thought he’d get some time in the field.

    Matsui has been consistent his entire time in New York, I expect nothing less going forward.

  214. sab November 11th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Chip – the reason i say his offense may not translate is the same as Matt Holliday – hitting in the NL West AND IN Colorado isn’t the same as hitting in the AL and especially in the AL East..

    but OK lets say the yankees are all in on hawpe – do you really think all it would take is bruney (whom thay had a chance to pick up for nothing 3 years ago and passed on him) or aceves and a 4th OF in melky? Hawpe’s salary is relatively cheap so its not because they are looking for salary relief…also i haven’t read anywhere that matsui is having another operation…and i have to disagree with you in that we absolutely know what matsui is going to give you – can he get hurt and not play all year – absolutely – but so can hawpe…

  215. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Jerkface -

    Not sure you can call a guy who played in:
    50, 140, 90, 140 games over the last four years a “steady contributor”

    He has put up solid numbers and been clutch for the team ever since he got here – but he’s old and breaks down and those two things are not going to improve with time.

  216. Jim Mason November 11th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Matsui would have gone to the highest bidder when he left Japan, and he’ll go to the highest bidder now.

    I personnaly wouldn’t have a problem signing him as a DH for two seasons and letting him play every day. This idea of using the DH to give guys days off leads to an unsettled lineup. Except for catcher, I don’t think it is necessary. A guy needs a day off, give him a day off. Jeter, Teixeira, A-Rod, they don’t need many days off anyway. Posada is the only one it affects.

  217. Erica - always OPPC November 11th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Yahoo did a great recap of the Year of A-Rod

    Definitely worthy reading. LOL

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....ng-content

  218. JasonR November 11th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    “What does World Series MVP have to do with anything? I don’t go into any season thinking “This guy is going to be world series MVP”, that’s not helpful at all. ”

    You don’t even go into the World Series thinking “This guy is gonna win MVP.” Anyone can get hot over a 4-7 game stretch.

  219. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    50, 140, 90, 140

    Uh 2 years of solid play time and 1 year where he broke his wrist fielding (not age related) and one where he hurt his knee.

    Look at his numbers post first year:

    OBP .360 or higher, never slugged under .488 (with the exception of his knee injury year), Career .300 hitter with RISP. April is his worst split year and his OPS is .790, its above .818 every other month.

    Matsui is one of our best hitters from a production stand point.

  220. pat November 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    NL Gold Gloves

    C Molina, 1B Gonzalez, 2B Hudson, 3B Zimmerman, SS Rollins, OF Victorino, Bourn, Kemp, P Wainwright

  221. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Compassrosy-
    Griffey is expected to get 2 million in base salary and a couple more if he reaches incentives. They are expecting him to be a part time DH. Therefore, Matsui will not be going there because he will not accept a contract to be a part time DH himself. A part time DH will not make much more than what Griffey just got. Matsui bad knees or not will get much more than that somewhere.

  222. Jim Mason November 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    He has put up solid numbers and been clutch for the team ever since he got here

    Um, hate to tell you this but check Matsui’s playoff numbers from Game 4 vs Boston through the Indians series. Almost as bad as A-Rod’s. And the guy never took the heat A-Rod did.

    The guy had a good year and a great playoffs but it’s not like we’d be losing Jeter or Mantle here.

  223. 86w183 November 11th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Umm Ok —

    You need levity lessons if that was supposed to be funny.

    Again, he was solid for 21 starts before they started screwing with him mentally about the upcoming revised Joba rules and began warning him about pitch counts. Since he should be good for 180+ next season there’s no reason to think he couldn’t get back to that form. I never said he was dominant at any point last year, but no # 4 starter was better than he was for the first 2/3 of the season.

    Even your grandmother understands that

  224. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Sab -

    Holliday went from a friendly home park in Colorado where he had good offensive players around him to a massive park in Oakland (where every foul ball is an out) where the next best offensive player on his team was Jason Giambi. Opponents had no reason to pitch to Holliday in Oakland.

    Hawpe would be going to a lineup where he would have to be pitched to in a park that plays to his strengths.

    He makes 11 mil next year and has a 10 mil option the year after. As I said, according to Rosenthal, the Rockies are looking for a 7th inning guy and another OF “like Carlos Gonzalez” I think Melky fits that bill in the OF, and I’m willing to give Colorado their choice of Aceves/Bruney/Melancon or any two of the three.

    As for why they would want Bruney now when they passed on him 3 years ago – well that’s just silly – passing on a guy 3 years ago doesn’t mean that you don’t see a use for him now. Yankees traded Damaso Marte away some 6 years ago, and then traded to get him back – views on players change over time.

  225. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Erica-the “Who’s Your Cousin” part of that article was a riot! Love how they included Mose from The Office.

  226. haiku-man November 11th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    The whole Matsui thing is bunk,Theo doesn’t want the Yankees YOUNGER in 2 positions.It’s a red herring thread!

    I do believe they would take back Damon,this very year was the year in question that Theo wouldn’t give him in his contract remember?

  227. tex's friend November 11th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    uh oh. dodgers are looking for a 2B. lets start the Kemp-Cano trade argument again.

  228. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Um, hate to tell you this but check Matsui’s playoff numbers from Game 4 vs Boston through the Indians series. Almost as bad as A-Rod’s. And the guy never took the heat A-Rod did.

    The guy had a good year and a great playoffs but it’s not like we’d be losing Jeter or Mantle here.

    The entire team stunk in the playoffs every year from that point on. Also doesn’t really matter, Matsui’s clutchness is derived from his consistent play on a month to month basis. He doesn’t swell or swoon.

  229. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Additionally, Matsui has proven he can hit as a DH and has no platoon split.

    He is the perfect 5 hole hitter. High avg risp hitter with power and patience.

  230. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Er and Er,

    Who are the 2 guys in between Vinny and Mose?

  231. randy l. November 11th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    “I have read randy’s comments on Cashman, Eiland, and Wang.
    randy, you need to embrace the philosophy of Jane Seymour:
    “If your heart is open, love will always find its way in.””

    nick in sf-

    don’t you have a frog jumping competition or something like that to go bet on ?

  232. NYYanksFan November 11th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    “the guy never took the heat A-Rod did.”

    A-Rod was a bullet proof vest for lots of people.

  233. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
    Er and Er,

    Who are the 2 guys in between Vinny and Mose?

    *********************
    The one next to Vinny is cousin Cody from Step by Step (remember that show with Patrick Duffy and Suzanne Somers?), but the one in between him and Mose I couldn’t tell you.

  234. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    The one next to Vinny is cousin Cody from Step by Step (remember that show with Patrick Duffy and Suzanne Somers?), but the one in between him and Mose I couldn’t tell you.

    oh never really watched it – he does not belong with Vinny and cousin It.

  235. Tom in N.J. November 11th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Mose from The Office is Ken Tremendous of ‘Fire Joe Morgan’ fame.

  236. Nick in SF November 11th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Sorry, randy, all the frogs out here are now considered ptotected species, so no jumping competitions allowed.

    The only jumping I get to enjoy right now is the jumping through hoops you’re doing to be critical of Brian Cashman.

    ;)

  237. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Jerkface

    Matsui is an old man.

    I’m sorry, it’s that simple. He’s 36 and even if I thought he could stay healthy (which I don’t) I wouldn’t trust that he’s going to be able to maintain that level of production.

    Teams have to get younger and sometimes that means making the hard choice on players who have been productive for you in the past.

    The Angels are cutting ties with Vlad (a very comperable player to Matsui at this point) the Red Sox cut ties with Pedro and Damon after 04 and are trying to dump Lowell, Oritz and Varitek now.

  238. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Tom in N.J.
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    Mose from The Office is Ken Tremendous of ‘Fire Joe Morgan’ fame
    who is the guy to the left of Mose???

  239. CompassRosy November 11th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    ~~~~MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
    Compassrosy-
    Griffey is expected to get 2 million in base salary and a couple more if he reaches incentives. They are expecting him to be a part time DH. Therefore, Matsui will not be going there because he will not accept a contract to be a part time DH himself. A part time DH will not make much more than what Griffey just got. Matsui bad knees or not will get much more than that somewhere.~~~~

    But Hideki could be full time player…
    - part time DH, part time LF (providing his knees hold out, which is obviously a big question)

    But anyway, my main point was not that I think Hideki would even consider signing with Seattle, but more pointing out that just because the M’s re-signed Jr, doesn’t mean that there will be no more deals.

    I, for one, am glad that the fans will be able to give Junior a season long send off – they really do love this guy. Especially after last season where, despite his declining ability, he was able to make such a huge impact on what had previously been such a dysfunctional clubhouse with his mere presence, smile and unadulterated joy of the game … and an occassional game winning home run.

    :-)

  240. tim November 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Anthopoulos did open up more to reporters when asked if his club would consider dealing to Roy Halladay to their divisional rival, the Boston Red Sox.

    “If we get the right package, we’ll make the trade,” Anthopoulos said, as reported by the Toronto Sun. “It would be awfully narrow thinking of me to turn down the best offer because of the fact it came from within our division.

    “Now, if we had strictly apples and apples offers for Halladay, one from Boston, one from another team, it would not be Boston. If we made a deal we owe it to our fans to obtain the best deal possible.”

    With the Red Sox reportedly interested in Halladay, the New York Yankees now plan to follow suit.

    Sports Illustrated’s Jon Heyman tweeted on Wednesday afternoon that with Anthopoulos saying that he would trade within the division that the World Series Champion Yankees would also talk to the Jays.

  241. Tom in N.J. November 11th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    I have no idea, Uncle.

  242. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    Good point about Cano’s deal, Ray – that is definitely Yankee friendly

  243. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    I’m not interested in giving up Phil Hughes and a bunch of good prospects for Doc, even though he is truly a great pitcher.

  244. Tom in N.J. November 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Uncle:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/6.....247623820/

  245. Erica - always OPPC November 11th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Erin
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
    Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
    Er and Er,

    Who are the 2 guys in between Vinny and Mose?

    *********************
    The one next to Vinny is cousin Cody from Step by Step (remember that show with Patrick Duffy and Suzanne Somers?), but the one in between him and Mose I couldn’t tell you.

    ******

    I LOVED Step By Step…. no clue who the dude next to Cousin Cody is

  246. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Matsui is an old man.

    I’m sorry, it’s that simple. He’s 36 and even if I thought he could stay healthy (which I don’t) I wouldn’t trust that he’s going to be able to maintain that level of production.

    Teams have to get younger and sometimes that means making the hard choice on players who have been productive for you in the past.

    The Angels are cutting ties with Vlad (a very comperable player to Matsui at this point) the Red Sox cut ties with Pedro and Damon after 04 and are trying to

    The Red Sox let go Damon at their own peril. I’d let Damon go this year. Matsui you have to bring back because you know he can DH, he will take less years than Damon most likely, and he is our most efficient RISP hitter.

  247. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Damon is not a good DH, neither is Hawpe. Both have platoon splits.

    If you let Matsui go, who is your DH?

  248. tampayank November 11th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    the Red Sox interest in Matsui has to be a ploy…Godzilla is more comfortable in New York :)

  249. umm, OK November 11th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    86w183
    November 11th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    Umm Ok —

    You need levity lessons if that was supposed to be funny.

    Again, he was solid for 21 starts before they started screwing with him mentally about the upcoming revised Joba rules and began warning him about pitch counts. Since he should be good for 180+ next season there’s no reason to think he couldn’t get back to that form. I never said he was dominant at any point last year, but no # 4 starter was better than he was for the first 2/3 of the season.

    Even your grandmother understands that
    ———————————————————

    solid for 21 starts!?!?!? SOLID? really SOLID?!? the only thing solid about him was his weight, as in heavy….
    he was great for about 5 or 6 starts mediocre for about 10 and downright awful for another 7 or so starts
    just because he didn’t give up runs (because the relievers bailed him out) doesn’t mean he pitched solidly in the starts where he lasted 5 innings…

    thinking he could pitch great (or solidly whatever adjective you want to use) in even 50% of his starts next year, based on what he’s done this past year, is crazy thinking…i hope i’m wrong but he hasn’t given any indication that he can or will..

    why did the yankees go to a 3 man rotation for the postseason – because Joba hadn’t shown any consistency ALL YEAR to have them think he could be trusted – how quick was girardi’s hook with him when he started walking guys after getting 2 strikes on them in the postseason – or given up 3 hits in a row with meatballs down the middle of the plate..

    he was good 2/3 of the season? is that why he was being mentioned as the main piece of the halladay trade in late june/early july? or after the first 3 starts after the ASB people were actually thinking he’d be left off the postseason roster…
    take care , Harlan…

  250. Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 11th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Tom in N.J.
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
    Uncle:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/6…..247623820/

    thanks!
    Jimmy Kimmel’s Cousin Sal

  251. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing)
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
    Tom in N.J.

    thanks!
    Jimmy Kimmel’s Cousin Sal

    *********************
    No wonder I didn’t know who he was. I hardly ever watch Kimmel.

  252. randy l. November 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    “The only jumping I get to enjoy right now is the jumping through hoops you’re doing to be critical of Brian Cashman.”

    nick in sf-

    i’m not actually being critical of him yet because

    he hasn’t done anything.

    i’m just practicing being critical, you know, warming up for when he shoots himself in the foot like he did last winter telling wang to do nothing in the off season.

  253. PittsburghYankeeFan November 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    Forget what you read in SI–nonsense.

    Matsui to the Red Sox? I spit out my coffee laughing when I heard that one. Let’s see: JD Drew, Ortiz, Varitek, Lowell, Wakefield, and now Matsui? Good thing Fenway is only eight blocks from the Longwood Medical Complex. Theo, baby, if you’re going to create trouble, at least make your trouble realistic.

    I like the thinking outside the box idea of packaging Wells plus Halliday. Doubt it will happen, but it unloads $$$$ off of the Jays, allowing them to pursue other players, gets the Yankees an OF (not a great one, but potential still there), and costs the Yankees nothing but $$$$. Yanks could get Halliday a year early that way, but the $$$$ cost would be high.

  254. tex's friend November 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    he was good 2/3 of the season? is that why he was being mentioned as the main piece of the halladay trade in late june/early july? or after the first 3 starts after the ASB people were actually thinking he’d be left off the postseason roster…
    take care , Harlan…

    ___

    Only thing i remember was the blogs talking about that. I dont ever remember hearing Cashman mention any of that. Just because we talk about it, doesnt mean thats something that was set to happen.

  255. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    “If you let Matsui go, who is your DH?”

    Milton Bradley of course :)

  256. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Jerkface

    How do you know Hawpe is not a good DH? He has spent his entire career in the National League. And if the Yankees were to bring him in I still think it’s a flip of the coin as to whether he or Swisher would DH & play RF – they’re both equally mediocre fielders.

    Why would Matsui take a 1 year deal? As I said, if a deal that he likes isn’t out there he can go to Japan and probably get a 4 year deal on reputation alone. He’s won a title here – what’s the incentive to stay?

  257. Pat M. November 11th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Randy I, Johnny Damon’s best years are in the past as he’s beginning to break down…..Those days in Oakland are catching up

  258. tex's friend November 11th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    like the thinking outside the box idea of packaging Wells plus Halliday.

    ___

    I agreed with this the other day too. I think Wells can still be good, he just needs a change of scenery. It’s different being on the lowly Jays. On the yankees, you are a part of a winner and i think that will up his game.

  259. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    As for Matsui being the most effective hitter with RISP – as I said – he’s old. Odds of him not declining are about as good as the odds of someone mistaking Brian Cashman for Derek Jeter.

  260. umm, OK November 11th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Only thing i remember was the blogs talking about that. I dont ever remember hearing Cashman mention any of that. Just because we talk about it, doesnt mean thats something that was set to happen
    ———————————————————
    cashman doesn’t talk about anything – so that is a wrong statement – just about every “expert” in the media whether it be TV, radio, internet or newspaper said it would start with joba (or hughes)and go from there..my point being if Joba was a “solid” pitcher there wouldn’t even have been talk of a trade for halladay…

  261. Nick in SF November 11th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    “i’m just practicing being critical, you know, warming up for when he shoots himself in the foot…”

    So all that complaining about Cashman’s comments a couple days ago was just for practice? It finally makes sense.

  262. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    How do you know Hawpe is not a good DH? He has spent his entire career in the National League. And if the Yankees were to bring him in I still think it’s a flip of the coin as to whether he or Swisher would DH & play RF – they’re both equally mediocre fielders.

    Because he can’t hit lefties. Now we have to platoon our DH? And who are we platooning him with? And do not lump Swisher in with Hawpe in terms of fielding.

    Hawpe has been worth -20 runs or more in the field the last 3 years including -45 2 years ago. You don’t get that far negative and have it be bad data.

    He is bad. I have not seen many rockies games, but when I have seen Hawpe he is a lumbering fielder that doesn’t get to balls.

    We have absolutely no need to get ‘younger’ at the DH position. You want a hitter at DH, and Matsui is our best bet on the open market. 1-2 years, and his spot will be free around the time Jesus Montero is coming up to the bigs.

    You don’t get younger for younger’s sake. Matsui is the choice right now (barring trade for milton bradley ;) ) because he:

    - Hits for average
    - Hits for power
    - Has moderate patience
    - No platoon disadvantage, takes lefties equally as righties
    - Hits with RISP
    - Never complains
    - Has proven he doesnt lose focus at DH (unlike Giambi)
    - Is focused on rehabbing his knees to be able to play the field, which might increase his versatility.

    If Damon wants 2 years or less, you take him back, if not you let him walk, but you have to keep Matsui.

    Our 3-4-5 hitters need to be kept as a unit.

  263. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    chip,

    Matsui is only 36 brosef. In baseball years thats old but it’s not like he’s done. He proved that he can still rake.

  264. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Tex,

    Toronto has to decide what’s best for the long term future of the club:

    a) getting as many ML ready prospects as they can for Halladay

    b) clearing the Wells contract off the books.

    The only way they can accomplish b is by telling a team that wants Halladay that they will accept less than market value for him but they have to take Wells too. It will be very hard to find a team (even the Yankees or Mets) that would be willing to take on that contract.

  265. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    As for Matsui being the most effective hitter with RISP – as I said – he’s old. Odds of him not declining are about as good as the odds of someone mistaking Brian Cashman for Derek Jeter.

    Matsui isn’t a slugger, he is the type of hitter that can excel with age. He hit for a high average his entire career, he takes pitches the other way, and his swing isn’t all ‘bat speed’.

    David Ortiz is a guy you say might fall off a cliff, I don’t see that with Matsui.

  266. Pat M. November 11th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Jerkface, that’s a critical point about retaining Matsui’s lefthanded stick, he offers protection for Alex….CB and I mentioned this a few nights ago, Mats is still the best ( or one of the best )pure hitters on the club and in the AL….Besides he’s tailor made for the Stadium…..Damon is far easier to replace…

  267. Heyya November 11th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Jerkface,

    If the money is right, we absolutely keep Matsui. But, that’s the issue for me. I feel as if another team would pay more to have him as a fielder, than the Yankees would pay to have him as a DH. I don’t want to pay a DH $10 million a year either, but if we can have him at a reasonable offer, no doubt he’s the choice.

    I agree that we shouldn’t get younger, just to get younger. Didn’t we try that with Hughes and Kennedy in the starting rotation last year? It wasn’t pretty from what I remembered.

    Matsui is absolutely worth a spot on our team for another year or two, same with Damon. Although, I’d like to replace Damon, but there isn’t much of a market this year.

  268. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Keeping guys like Matsui and Damon, and betting on their future health, is also a good plan because of the deeper FA market that will be available in the future.

    I don’t want the yankees to do anything foolish now when we could get a guy like Crawford next season.

  269. Tom in N.J. November 11th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Tweets of interest:

    SI_JonHeyman: mark derosa already has received calls from #yankees, #mariners, #nats, #dodgers, #phils, #rangers, #orioles, #giants

    nyp_joelsherman: Heard the #Yankees plan to tender arb-eligible Brian Bruney because his price (about $1.5M) will be reasonable.

  270. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    “nyp_joelsherman: Heard the #Yankees plan to tender arb-eligible Brian Bruney because his price (about $1.5M) will be reasonable. ”

    Uhhh not a big fan of this..

  271. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Uhhh not a big fan of this..

    Bruney was a beast this season before injury, and if they get him a reasonable price they can trade him if he performs well this season.

    No reason to throw away a reliever, as they are quite volatile.

  272. Tom in N.J. November 11th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    one more from Joel Sherman:

    Believe it or not #Yankees have interest from Japan in returning Kei Igawa, but he doesn’t want to go. Some people just love Scranton

  273. Pat M. November 11th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    If Mats is asking for 10 mil and he turns in a .290 ba, 25 dingers & 100 rbi’s as a DH, then were does he sign………I’m off to the Newport Orthopedic Institute for some PT, I wonder who I’ll run into there, as that’s where Scott Boras sends his players for they’re evaluations and glowing physical reports……He and many of these Surgeons all belong to the Big Caynon Country Club in Newport Beach….Besides they’re one of the top 5 Orthropedic groups in the country…..Their reports are considered Gold…….

  274. Sab November 11th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    tim
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
    Anthopoulos did open up more to reporters when asked if his club would consider dealing to Roy Halladay to their divisional rival, the Boston Red Sox.

    “If we get the right package, we’ll make the trade,” Anthopoulos said, as reported by the Toronto Sun. “It would be awfully narrow thinking of me to turn down the best offer because of the fact it came from within our division.

    “Now, if we had strictly apples and apples offers for Halladay, one from Boston, one from another team, it would not be Boston. If we made a deal we owe it to our fans to obtain the best deal possible.”

    With the Red Sox reportedly interested in Halladay, the New York Yankees now plan to follow suit.

    Sports Illustrated’s Jon Heyman tweeted on Wednesday afternoon that with Anthopoulos saying that he would trade within the division that the World Series Champion Yankees would also talk to the Jays.
    ———————————————————
    My vote for smartest GM of the entire history of planet earth goes to Alex Anthopoulos..

    Only he has miraculously figured out its not who you trade your best player to, but what you get back in return that matters most. Such a simple concept yet no other GM since at least the Johan Santana debacle has figured that out.

  275. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Jerkface

    Again, I’m not comparing Hawpe to what Matsui was.

    I’m saying that Hawpe (30) is going to be more productive and more likely to avoid injury than Matsui (36)

    That Matsui is “focused” on rehabbing his knees means nothing to me. I’m sure that lack of focus has not been his problem, age and all those consecutive games (both here and on the turf in Japan) caught up to his body.

  276. Heyya November 11th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    It’s odd with Bruney. When he has it, he has it, and he has it for a while. The issue is when his good rhythm gets disrupted by something, such as an injury. If you look he has tremendous stretches of 20 innings, and than, for one reason or another, just completely bombs, for the following 20 innings.

  277. Andrew November 11th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Bruney can be effective if he’s healthy and $1.5 mill is pennies for the Yankees, plus with subtracting Hughes from the bullpen they will need to circle the wagons out there so to speak to try and find a combination that works to get to Mo in 2010.

  278. Joe Casale November 11th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Bruneyyyyyyyy

  279. Nick in SF November 11th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Tender Bruney, then marinate Bruney, then flame-broil Bruney.

  280. Joe Casale November 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Kei just loves his money.

  281. PittsburghYankeeFan November 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    I just looked up Wells’ contract on Cot’s.

    What an abomination. Words escape me.

  282. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Chip you are ignoring that Hawpe has pretty bad numbers while facing LHPs. That means the Yanks will need another DH-type to platoon with Hawpe vs lefties. Seems a bit much for the DH if you ask me.

  283. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Patrick -

    When considering Matsui’s age also remember all those consecutive games and the fact that most of them were played on turf in the Tokyo Dome.

  284. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    I’m saying that Hawpe (30) is going to be more productive and more likely to avoid injury than Matsui (36)

    How is he going to be more productive? He is only more productive if he see’s most of his ABs against righties.
    The success of the yankees largely depended on their ability to hit all comers.

    And then we’d have to find someone to platoon Hawpe with. Who is our DH vs lefties? Who replaces whoever is DHing vs lefties on the field? Is it a bench bat?

    Matsui takes the place of 2 potential players in any Hawpe situation, not to mention having a hitter completely nullified by lefties can kill a team (see: World Series)

  285. bru November 11th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Chip
    November 11th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
    As for Matsui being the most effective hitter with RISP – as I said – he’s old. Odds of him not declining are about as good as the odds of someone mistaking Brian Cashman for Derek Jeter.

    ————————————————————

    mo is older,pettitte is older,jeter is about the same,arod a year or so younger

    it means nothing

    damon is older i believe than matsui

    that old player won the ws mvp

    if damon & matsui take what is offered they both are back unless cashman has a better opportunity

    you have strong opinions

    that does not make you right

    we can go in several directions to be as good or better

  286. Joe Casale November 11th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    PittYankee
    **
    I thought the Yankees could take Wells’ contract to lessen the asking price for Roy. Took one look at the contract on Cots and nearly vomited. Appalling. No way the Yankees even consider that.

  287. jack -lv nv November 11th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Yankees are in for Detroit’s Grandison for CF. I think it would be a significant upgrade.

  288. PittsburghYankeeFan November 11th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Sorry to perseverate, but the Jays need to rid themselves of Vernon Wells and his contract or they are guaranteed cellar dwellers for the foreseeable future.

    This year, with prorated bonus, he’s making $20 million. For 2011-2013 he’s making $21-23 million.

    This on a team with a $85-90 million total payroll.

    Unbelievable. How do they extricate themselves from this mess? Not even the Yankees or the Mets are dumb enough to take that one on.

  289. Scott November 11th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Keith Hernandez is absolutley a hall of famer. best 1B in baseball since mantle.

    you see these clowns like Giambi and Prince Fiedler and appreciate HernAndez…..

  290. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Additionally, your whole point against Matsui is that he is old and old = decline. Which isn’t always the case. Matsui’s only health related issue is his knees, and 1 year removed from major surgery on both will = stronger knees, and Girardi will know when to rest him.

    Also we’d have to give up prospects to get Hawpe.

    Also Hawpe’s contract:

    # 10:$7.5M, 11:$10M club option ($0.5M buyout)
    # if traded, Hawpe may void 2011 club option

    I’d give Matsui a 2 year 17.5 Mil contract over prospects + money for Hawpe any year

  291. Tom in N.J. November 11th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Shin-Soo Choo?

  292. CB November 11th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    “I’m saying that Hawpe (30) is going to be more productive and more likely to avoid injury than Matsui (36)”

    You need to look at the probabilities differently because it’s not a straightforward probability. It’s a conditional probability.

    Both player’s production is contingent on them staying healthy. If healthy, then what is the probability of them producing at level X or Y.

    Now health is more of a spectrum than a binary outcome in most regards.

    But with matsui it is very likely that health is closer to a binary because he could miss long stretches of time or be close to completely ineffective.

    But here’s the rub – if he does stay healthy his production at 36 will be much better than Hawpe production at 30.

    So the real issue between the two is that Matsui has a higher “upside” but more risk than Hawpe. In effect, there is significantly more expected variance around Matsui’s projected performance than there is around Hawpe’s (mostly because Hawpe is one of the few Rockies that has minimal home road split).

    The difference between Matsui and Hawpe is really related to what talent the yankees would have to give up for Hawpe and how they want to stratify risk.

    IMO, I would absolutely take Matsui over Hawpe no questions ask. Hawpe is a very limited player against left handed pitching.

    If Matsui gets hurt they could give Miranda a shot or make a trade. Matsui isn’t going to command so much money that an injury to him would be crippling either short term or long term.

  293. Pat M. November 11th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Jerkface, You have joined a very special club of guys here who have been guilty as well of pissing into the wind……

  294. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Shin-Soo Choo?

    Is awesome but virtually impossible to trade for. And might be facing military service in the Korean army soon. Young player coming into his prime who hit .300/.394/.489?

    Why do you think cleveland would trade him?

  295. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Patrick -

    I’m not ignoring that fact at all. Matsui is freakishly good against left handed pitchers so anyone is going to look bad compared to him.

    You don’t need to platoon him for a few reasons:

    a) He’s not a zero against left handers and in this lineup if he’s batting 6th or 7th it’s not a major deal – not as if he’s in the cleanup spot

    b) If you do want to sit him against an elite LHP (Lester for example) those are the days where you can DH Alex or Jeter or Posada to give them a “half day off”

    c) There aren’t that many really good left handed pitchers in the American League except for Lester and CC and Hawpe would never face CC

    d) Over three years Hawpe has had a total of 300 ABs against LHP – that’s a fairly small per season sample size – much like Paul O’Neill, maybe he just needs to face LHP to improve against it.

  296. Sab November 11th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    if the blue jays agree to eat 50% of wells contract AND not ask for the world back for halladay do you think something like was mentioned back in the summer work?

    i.e. – hughes (or joba), romine, melancon and melky for halladay and wells (having to pay only 50% of his contract) – so the yankees are paying 10 million per year for the next 4 years for a good CF/RF with a good arm and 20 hr and 85 rbi potential

  297. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    Scott-
    Ummm not sure about the Mantle firstbase comment. I know he played there for his last season or two but didnt realize he was the best first baseman until Hernandez came along. Interesting. Personally, Im a Mattingly guy but Hernandez was a great 1b himself. You are right guys like Giambi at first can drive you nuts. Just look at how many plays the slick fielding Teixiera made this year that Giambi doesnt make. A great glove at first goes a long way.

  298. Doreen November 11th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    I love Granderson. Have been a fan for a while. But seeing his L/R splits, I don’t know what he brings to this lineup.

    The beauty of the Yankees lineup has always been that other teams can’t really mix and match relief pitchers because of the switch hitting and the lefties that can hit lefties.

    Losing Damon and Matsui change the dynamic of the lineup, unless the replacements are more well-rounded hitters, as well.

  299. PittsburghYankeeFan November 11th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Back to Matsui.

    So has Griffey’s deal started to set the market for Matsui?

    LH part time DH with power, limited by knee injury?

    Yes, he’s 40, to Matsui’s 36, and his season was not as good (19 HR, 57 RBI in 117 games), but this is the floor, isn’t it?

    Hmmm. Wonder what Arn Tellum is thinking?

  300. jack -lv nv November 11th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Post reports that Curtis Granderson is available and Cash is interested. He has trouble w/lefties but I think he would be an upgrade for the OUTFIELD.

  301. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    WARNING to anyone that is about to look at Vernon Wells contract:
    Proceed with caution. It is ugly!

  302. PittsburghYankeeFan November 11th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    sab

    I would not give up $$$$ and players for Halliday/Wells.

    The Jays only have 2010 to dangle for Halliday–the asking price is a lot lower now.

  303. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Granderson has not struggled as much vs lefties as he did this season, RAB suggests its because he changed his swing to hit more flyballs for HRs. That might help him in yankee stadium but I’m sure K Long would bring him back to his old GB swing that helps him utilize his speed, which might make him better vs lefties.

  304. Tom in N.J. November 11th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Well, is Choo up for arbitration any time soon? Other than that, I cannot see why they would move him-unless the Yankees gave up something of real value. I was just throwing a name against the wall..

  305. CB November 11th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    “Unbelievable. How do they extricate themselves from this mess? Not even the Yankees or the Mets are dumb enough to take that one on.”

    It is really remarkable. What makes that contract particularly horrible is the way the contract was back loaded.

    By it’s structure it almost seemed like JP was guessing that Wells could be signed and then traded. The money just starts to explode this season.

    The jays are stuck. They are very lucky to have been able to dump Rios’s salary. That was a gift from Kenny Williams (and Rios was horrendous for the Sox).

    I was very surprised that the JP didn’t try harder to package Halladay with Wells and be willing to get back marginal talent in return for dumping that contract.

    Until the jays can get rid of wells they are cooked.

  306. Doreen November 11th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    jerkface -

    This year was really bad for Granderson vs. lefties, but he only had relative success against them in one year. Most years are a struggle, though. At least looking just at BA.

    I know there are a lot of things to look at. But it would be quite a different team if all of a sudden there’s platooning all over the place – and you know Girardi will do that.

  307. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    CB

    “But here’s the rub – if he does stay healthy his production at 36 will be much better than Hawpe production at 30.”

    Actually that’s not at all true.

    Matsui: .274 28 HR 90 RBI .367 OBP
    Hawpe: .285 23 HR 86 RBI .384 OBP

    The numbers are almost identical (Hawpe played 3 more games than Matsui) and given that Hawpe was, for long stretches, the only bat in the Colorado lineup one would not be wrong to assume that he wasn’t seeing nearly as many pitches to hit at Matsui. Put Hawpe in this lineup, in this park, and I don’t think it’s a stretch to think his numbers would tick up and thus pass Matsui.

    Also Hawpe is in the midst of the “prime years” for a ball player. Matsui is firmly entrenched in the “over-the-hill” stage so while Hawpe’s numbers are likely to increase or remain static, Matsui is at the age where production traditionally declines.

    So no, there is no logical or statistical argument that could be made for how Matsui’s production would exceed Hawpe’s next season if all other variables were equal (same lineup, park, games played)

    And while Hawpe may not be the player Matsui is against LHP I would argue that limitation (as evidenced by the closesness in their stats) still makes him as good a hitter as Matsui is, and what’s more, any limitation Hawpe has at the plate is augmented by the fact that unlike Matsui Hawpe can play the outfield.

    Now, if Colorado wanted the moon for Hawpe I would walk away – but if the asking price would be a Brian Bruney, Mark Melancon and Melky Cabrera then sign me up.

  308. Chip November 11th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Pittsburgh Yankee Fan

    I don’t think one has anything to do with the other. Junior isn’t going to be a regular contributor in Seattle – he’s there to be a sideshow – an attraction to get fans in the stands.

    In return, Seattle gives him a couple of million and let’s him continue his career somewhere that he’s comfortable.

    Matsui (and his agent) are going to look for a contract more in the range of what Abreu signed with the Angels based on his production last season.

  309. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Hawpe can barely play the outfield, can barely hit lefties, check his splits for 1st/2nd half and month by month. He is routinely a bad second half player.

    70 point drop in OPS in career. Matsui has a less than 30 point difference 1st/2nd half, home/away.

  310. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    “Tender Bruney, then marinate Bruney, then flame-broil Bruney.”

    And likewise that makes Phil Hughes an excellent non-tender candidate.

  311. bru November 11th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    the wells contract is ugly

    toronto should package him with halladay,take mybe 1 good prospect,throw in 20 million & prey

  312. dan l November 11th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    CB, What do you think about the Yankees targeting Conor Jackson to be the right handed bat you believe the Yankees need?

  313. charlestonchew November 11th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    I expect the Red Sox to jump at the idea of trading Lowell and attempting to sign Chone Figgins at third. He makes a lot of sense for the Red Sox if they can manage to sign him. He’s fast, high OBP, 114 runs scored last year and 42 sb. He’s not a big RBI hitter, but he’s a real leadoff hitter (unlike Ellsbury, who is really a #9).

  314. dan l November 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Jerkface the Yankees lived with Paul O’neill and was much worse then Hawpe against lefties. Heck Hawpe has a slightly higher career ops against them then Damon.

  315. MR.OCTOBER November 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Whoever mentioned Shin-Soo Choo is he a free-agent?
    If not is Cleveland shopping him?
    Is he arbitration eligible?
    He is a very solid all around player.

  316. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    UMM.OK

    here are the facts about Joba’s first 21 starts

    109.2 innings
    105 hits
    50 walks
    97 strikeouts
    13 quality starts
    3.58 era

    his main issue were too many walks and giving up early(1st inning) runs…agin he’s a23yr old who’s learning his craft on the ML level. Joba didn’t have then benefit of 300-400 minor league innings honing his craft to where he’s coming up a more polished product.

    next year i would expect without innings limits and low pitch count restrictions a Joba who can deliver something like
    200 innings
    180 hits allowed
    70 walks
    225 strikeouts
    3.60 era
    15-18 wins
    34 starts

    and i think you’ll see a guy who’s a bit more mature,taking his oppurtunity more seriously and more appreciative of the chance he’s been given in life. I kinda get the feeling that going back to deal with his dwi case and also dealing with the situation that his mother’s facing(although they’re not close) and spending time with his son wakes him up a lil bit too what’s really important and how quickly it could all be lost.

  317. tom November 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    it must b real slow around the league bc of the lack of posts

  318. dan l November 11th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Choo K’s a lot and doesn’t he have a military obligation to fulfill?

  319. bru November 11th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Varitek Exercises Player Option

    Cardinals Interested In Xavier Nady

    Sherman tweets that there is interest in Japan from Kei Igawa, but he doesn’t want to go. Igawa posted a 4.15 ERA in 145.3 Triple A innings this year, and still has $8MM remaining on his contract.

    Jon Heyman must have bumped into Mark DeRosa’s agent today, because the SI reporter lists eight clubs that have already called on the player. Heyman’s tweet indicates the Yankees, Mariners, Nationals, Dodgers, Phillies, Rangers, Orioles, and Giants have inquired.

    The Tigers are letting teams know center fielder Curtis Granderson is available, according to an NL executive who talked to the New York Post’s Joel Sherman. Sherman believes the Yankees would have interest.

  320. champ809 November 11th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    what are Hawpe’s home/road splits…Matsui would probably have Pujul’s like #’s if he hit in Coors Field

  321. RalphieD (OPPC) November 11th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    wow…after having looked at granderson’s splits…the only word that describes his ability vs lefties is “atrocious”…atrocious to the point were being a lefty in yankee stadium would not benefit him at all vs lefties, which is rare for a lefty…he makes gardner look like arod against lefties…hes gonna be 29 so i would be weary of thinking that he can turn this around, its been a fairly consistent problem in his career (.210 career ba vs lefties)

  322. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Jerkface the Yankees lived with Paul O’neill and was much worse then Hawpe against lefties. Heck Hawpe has a slightly higher career ops against them then Damon.

    -

    Sure, except Hawpe strikes out far more than Paulie Walnuts, plays much worse defense, and isn’t nearly as fast.

    And his OPS might be higher than Damon, but its all slugging. Damon hits for average and gets on base vs lefties better than Hawpe. He also has a much better sample size.

  323. haiku-man November 11th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Yahoo sports is saying Damonn wants more than 13mm per yr to stay.or he gone.They source the NY Post with the story.Boras leaves out 1 very important stat about Damon,D-fense.Anyone on third can get home on his arm!!

  324. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    There is no way Damon comes back to the yankees for a RAISE unless its for 1 year.

  325. CB November 11th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    “Put Hawpe in this lineup, in this park, and I don’t think it’s a stretch to think his numbers would tick up and thus pass Matsui.”

    Matsui is a better hitter and a more balanced hitter than Hawpe is. I know what Hawpe’s numbers are. He is an awful hitter against left handed hitting – and that’s against left handed pitching in the National League.

    He’s a good bat but not a balanced one.

    What really makes Matsui enormously valuable for the yankees competing in the AL East is his ability to thrive against left handed hitting.

    One of the major reasons why the yankees had such an enormous advantage playing at home is because their left handed hitters were largely unfazed by left handed pitching. At the same time the yankees had 40% of their rotation made up by LH pitching.

    So when the yankees started a LH pitcher at home they generated a huge marginal advantage compared to what the opposition was able to generate when they threw a left handed pitcher.

    Matsui was front and center in that. Hawpe would not provide that ability. It is not in his skill set.

    And Hawpe glove is truly awful.

    It’s not always about the aggregate or mean statistical performance. The distribution of performances matters.

    Matsui has a very rare skill set as a LH hitter. And Hawpe does not have that skill set.

  326. CB November 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    “What do you think about the Yankees targeting Conor Jackson to be the right handed bat you believe the Yankees need?”

    Jackson would be terrific off the bench. His bat is too light to start in the AL East, especially at the corner OF spot.

    That said, I don’t see him taking a bench spot, particularly that early in his career.

    The NL is just so bad that he could get a starting gig with multiple teams if his price is right.

  327. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    And this is one of those cases where stats don’t tell the whole story. Like Hawpe’s OPS vs lefties compared to Damon. They do entirely different things vs lefties. Hawpe swings and prays and runs into one sometimes.

    Damon battles and looks to go the other way.

    I like Hawpe as a hitter vs righties, but I wouldn’t trade a bunch of legit prospects or players for him. Also trading MELKY for Hawpe? So you’re fine giving CF to Gardner?!

    I love Gardner, but he needs to work on his swing to hold down CF full time.

  328. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Nick, I think the Twins already flame-broiled Bruney (or was it the Angels), lol. The buzz was that this guy’s ligament is hanging by a thread….I doubt he’s going to do anything for us this year. I’m just not a fan -besides the fact that he was ineffective, I hate his attitude.

  329. Yankee Fan in VA November 11th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    I found out over the weekend that Rick Porcello is a distant cousin of mine; that would make it a big bonus for me were he to become a Yankee. I don’t see that actually happening any time soon, but a guy can dream, right?

    I’d be very interested to see what the Tigers want for Granderson though. That could answer a lot of outfield defense questions, and I hope that Long could help him improve his average vs. lefties. That plus the short porch in right.

  330. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Wow…..I wouldn’t trade Phil or Joba for Doc anyway, but to give them up AND take on Wells’ contract? I don’t think so.

  331. CB November 11th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    “And this is one of those cases where stats don’t tell the whole story. Like Hawpe’s OPS vs lefties compared to Damon. They do entirely different things vs lefties. Hawpe swings and prays and runs into one sometimes.”

    Absolutely.

    This comparison is a very good one to demonstrate the limitations of OPS as a statistic.

    Hawpe and Damon both have a career OPS of .750 against lefties.

    But Hawpe’s OBP against lefties is an awful .321. Damon’s is a very good .346. Damon’s OBP against righties is .359. So Damon gets on nearly as much against lefties as righties.

    That Hawpe hits for more marginal power against lefties than damon isn’t nearly as important as the difference in OBP.

    And there is no comparison between Matsui and Hawpe against lefty pitchers.

  332. vin November 11th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    “I’m sure K Long would bring him back to his old GB swing that helps him utilize his speed, which might make him better vs lefties.”

    KLong hasn’t figured out how to level off Gardner’s swing… not sure if he could do it with Granderson – a guy with legit power.

  333. Enough Pitching Changes November 11th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    “Post reports that Curtis Granderson is available and Cash is interested. He has trouble w/lefties but I think he would be an upgrade for the OUTFIELD.”

    Get granderson!!! but how? what would the yanks have to give up? I don’t see them getting him however..i would think it would take alot..

  334. bru November 11th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    rumors say to get granderson the centerpiece could be ajax

    ajax,kennedy,melancon

  335. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Let the Yanks offer Matsui more $$$ for 1 year and be done with it……As I’ve said before, Damon and Matsui are going to have to come back down to the Yankees, the Yankees are not going to come up to them. In other words, they are going to have to compromise in order to stay here.

    MLB has their first Hot Stove show tonight…..

  336. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    KLong hasn’t figured out how to level off Gardner’s swing… not sure if he could do it with Granderson – a guy with legit power.

    He has worked extremely hard to level off Gardner’s swing, but its up to Gardner to follow through. Gardner also has a lot of moving parts.

    I think Granderson might be easier to adjust because he supposedly CHANGED his own swing. That means he has a swing he could go back to.

    Gardner’s swing has always been bad.

  337. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Granderson is a stud, but he will probably cost a lot in prospects.

  338. Enough Pitching Changes November 11th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    granderson’s numbers:
    ba .249
    homers 30
    rbis 71
    ON BAST .327 ( A LITTLE LOW)
    STEALS 20

    OPS..780

    the on base is a little low..strikes out a lot…however a TOP notch center fielder who is only 29…younger….

    interesting….he might get 35-40 homers playing in yankee stadium…a cheaper younger option to johnny damon..plus an excellent fielder…

  339. Laura - "You should know I bleed Blue, but I ain't a Crip though" November 11th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    “I think Hinske is going to want to go to a team where he can play a little more regularly.”

    Why? The guy has won 2 World Series rings as a platoon. Going full time may be bad luck. :P

  340. Enough Pitching Changes November 11th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    granderson for A jackson and kennedy..and maybe one more…I think you got to make that deal???I don’t like granderson on base BUT a centerfielder with that type of power….might have to do it? what do we think..

  341. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Granderson vs Hawpe in terms of being bad vs lefties.

    I’d put up with Granderson’s numbers because he would be doing it as a very good CFer and not a DH/RF. We’d be trading Damon’s potential vs lefties for a much better defensive outfield.

    Unfortunately this would most likely move Swisher to the 2 hole.

  342. bru November 11th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    it does not cost what you might think anymore

    look at the santanna deal

    teams are looking to dump money

    we can get him without hughes,joba,montero

  343. Doreen November 11th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Say they can put together a package for Granderson.

    If they keep Matsui, I think it’s okay.

    Who would they play instead of Granderson vs. tough lefties? Hairston? Hinske? Some unknown?

    Just watched Game 2 of the ALCS (or the last 3 innings of it). Like how MLB does it. But love that game. Love Hairston’s hit. Just an easy hit. I’d love for him to stay. What is his contract? Do they have him or is he a FA?

    If they also have to replace Matsui, that’s where you run into some problems, because you still need someone behind ARod. Someone consistent that you would not pitch around ARod to get to.

    Granderson is a quality person and would be a good addition to the team, generally speaking. But when you get down to the nitty-gritty, it’s not a slam dunk, oddly.

  344. haiku-man November 11th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Cardinals wanted Nady before the Yankees ever got him.Now that Boras is trying to squeeze the blood out of their cash strapped ownership.
    It was a big gamble to give up what they did for Holliday with him being a Boras client too.

  345. Enough Pitching Changes November 11th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    “Granderson, who will play at 29 next year, is owed $25.75 million over the next three years and has an option in 2013. ”

    MUCH cheaper then Scott Borus wants the yanks to give Damon an older player who can not play the field..I love damon but granderson might be a better fit…if you can get him

  346. YankeeRay November 11th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Jerkface
    November 11th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
    There is no way Damon comes back to the yankees for a RAISE unless its for 1 year.

    ——

    Offer him arbitration and he gets a little bump in salary for 1 year. If he turns it down then we collect draft picks on a Type A FA. No way do we get Damon on 1 yr for less than 13mm which we all thought we would a couple of weeks ago.
    If we offer him more than 1 yr then it would probably be in the Abreu area.
    If he wants 3-4 years then let him walk.

  347. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    This is probably just a pipe dream but do you put Granderson in left or keep him in center and trade one of Melky/Gardner?

    And honestly, if you look at his stats, 2009 was his worst year since 2006. In 07 and 08 he hit for a higher avg, obp, slg, more doubles and triples but less HR. Hopefully in the future he would go back to that kind of offensive production.

  348. Joe Casale November 11th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    On this Veterans’ Day, I would like to thank all the veterans on the New York Yankees that helped bring New York Number 27.

  349. Tarheelyank November 11th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    A real heartfelt thank you to GB and to all our veterans.

  350. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Doreen,

    You can live with Granderson’s bad #’s vs lefties because he’s a good fielder (in LF he’d be even better). Although I think you’re right, they would need someone to back him up vs especially tough lefties. Tough call, I’m not sure who would fill that role.

  351. Doreen November 11th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    How old are these new GMs in Toronto and San Diego? Amazing.

  352. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    None of our current players fit the criteria. Gardner is a lefty, Melky is worse vs lefties.

    Perplexing.

  353. bru November 11th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    granderson in cf,melky in lf

    matsui or miranda dh

  354. Jerkface November 11th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    I forgot all about Miranda.

    I think Miranda could be Brad Hawpe.

  355. betsy November 11th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    If Granderson’s #s are that bad against lefties, do we really want to give up a lot for him? He’s also 29/30 – that’s not young (it’s not old, but it’s not young). How many years does he have left on his contract? What would you guys be willing to give up for him?

  356. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Granderson walks a bit, so his low OBP is more due to his low BA. He had bad luck with balls in play this past year, and had been playing with some injuries. If he can pass an exhaustive Yankee physical, and be had for the right price, I’d love his bounce back chances with the Yanks. Of course, we’d bat him 9th and not first, but he could really be a nice fit.

  357. Doreen November 11th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Melky’s worse vs. lefties but not gosh-awful.

    Will be interesting.

    I was not interested in any of the names being bandied about. But Granderson piqued my interest.

    I’ll tell ya, though, I still think IPK becomes a quality starter. But i know you can’t hold on to everyone.

  358. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Yes, and thank you and god bless you to all the veterans on the board.

  359. Patrick November 11th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Granderson would not bat ninth unless a lefty is pitching.

    If he is indeed available it probably takes Kennedy and Jackson, perhaps more, to get him.

  360. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Article from RAB about Damon and Boras:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....age-19838/

  361. Carl November 11th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    Just keep Jackson

  362. Doreen November 11th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Erin,

    What stinks is that this will be more difficult a process than it needs to be because Boras wants other clients to get more. That’s why he doesn’t like his clients to give “discounts.”

    Well, it’ll likely get done, after a lot of pittering around. Hey, maybe Holliday has to go first. Then it won’t matter as much to get Johnny more than Johnny would be satisfied with.

  363. vin November 11th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    “Love Hairston’s hit. Just an easy hit. I’d love for him to stay. What is his contract? Do they have him or is he a FA?”

    He’s a free agent. I believe he filed yesterday.

    Seems to me that usually guys like him go elsewhere in these situations.

    Veteran journeyman… gets dealt to a WS contender… fans love his versatility… ownership isn’t willing to give him the deal/playing time he wants… he goes to a team like the Pirates… wishes he signed with a winner instead… is acquired by another contender the following year. The cycle repeats.

    I think Cashman opts to go with Pena. Hairston’s innings in the OF will be absorbed by Gardner. If Pena doesn’t work out, then Cash can always strike another deal before the trade deadline. It’s a good way of clearing out some organizational “prospects.”

  364. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Granderson is a great guy and a very good player but can you imagine him coming up in that spot against Lidge instead of Johnny?

    And in a some much expected good news, Veritek has exercised his 3 mil player option. AL baserunners rejoice!

  365. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Doreen
    November 11th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
    Erin,

    What stinks is that this will be more difficult a process than it needs to be because Boras wants other clients to get more. That’s why he doesn’t like his clients to give “discounts.”

    *******************
    Doreen-exactly. I just wonder how long this is going to drag out. I think you’re right about Holliday going first.

  366. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    I think Granderson would be in CF and Damon would be in left for another 2 years.

  367. Tom in N.J. November 11th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Granderson’s home/road splits:

    Home: .261BA .334OBP .451SLG .785OPS

    Road: .284BA .353OBP .516SLG .869OPS

  368. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    yes, Granderson has been killed by his home park.

  369. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    CC is the gift that just keeps on giving – how unbelievable is this?

    http://sportscracklepop.com/20.....champagne/

  370. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Betsy-that’s awesome. CC is an incredible teammate.

  371. Doreen November 11th, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Nice guy, that CC. :)

  372. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    CC has brought so much to the Yanks.

  373. timo November 11th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    The talk about Granderson and lefties brings back memory of Game 1 of the 2006 ALDS. Wang sailing with a four run lead, top of seventh, two out, nobody on, and Sleepy Joe just has to bring in Mike Myers to pitch to Granderson. CG hits a HR off sidewinding Mike, who departs in favor of (who else) Scott Proctor. Proctor gives up two more hits to bring the tying run to the plate before escaping.

    If CG can do that, he shouldn’t be that hopeless against lefties.

  374. bru November 11th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    what is interesting is why would cashman call toronto about doc if he knows it probably will cost 1 of joba/hughes?

  375. Neil November 11th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Granderson wouldn’t come cheap but Gardner is not the answer either. If Damon were to go elsewhere because of Boras greed, put Melky in LF and go hard after Granderson but be sure Gardner is part of the deal to Detroit.

  376. Abdababdaserser November 11th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Nice of CC to give Johnny Blue. Impressive and thoughtful.

    The Granderson talk is interesting. I wonder if his lack of stolen bases stems from him taking a bit to get up to speed. He has an unusual gate to his running. He has a long stride better suited to longer distance compared to being a sprinter type.

    I wonder how much of Boras talk is just the posturing for the best contract he can get for Damon.

  377. TD November 11th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    granderson for A jackson and kennedy..and maybe one more…I think you got to make that deal???I don’t like granderson on base BUT a centerfielder with that type of power….might have to do it? what do we think..

    keep a. jackson, let him develop.

    but i still want granderson.

  378. Rishi November 11th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    that’s awesome, Betsy – thanks for the link

  379. JK November 11th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    The Tigers have 100M in payroll obligations for 2010 already, and most of the big salaries on their payroll cant be traded. Jackson, Laird, Zumaya & Verlander are also due raises in arbitration. If they kept all 4, they would have to add 20M to their payroll.

    Unemployment in Detroit is over 15% with no end in sight and their attendance dropped 19% from 3.2M to 2.6M this year. They also lost sponsorship deals from the local US automakers.

    Granderson &/or Jackson will be traded…

    BANK ON IT!

  380. vin November 11th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    “The Granderson talk is interesting. I wonder if his lack of stolen bases stems from him taking a bit to get up to speed. He has an unusual gate to his running. He has a long stride better suited to longer distance compared to being a sprinter type.

    Interesting thought. I just assumed he doesn’t run too much because he usually has some very good hitters behind him.

  381. jake November 11th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    okay…if Damon is asking for a 3+ year deal, i dont give it to him, as badly as i want him, i dont.

    I would only sign pettite and matsui/damon, the trade market looks more appealing, even though it costs us our farm.

    I would trade for an Edwin Jackson and Curtis Granderson package… Joba, Ajax, Melky, Ian Kennedy, Austin Romine and Betances or Brackman?
    ****that trade will fill our 2 needs…
    roation:
    CC
    Edwin Jackson
    Aj
    Pettite
    Hughes

    Lineup:
    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Granderson CF
    Arod 3B
    Tex 1B
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF

  382. Heyya November 11th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Wow. Unbelievable to think CC would do that. Even with him racking in all that money. Great job.

  383. Abdababdaserser November 11th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Funny how the rumors about Granderson and Jackson coming out bring out a comment that the Tigers are not having a fire sale. With the economy and lack of the Tigers doing very well after that monster trade that was supposed to make them invincible, I tend to think that they are going to look to sell off what they can for cheaper talents.

    If the Yankees re-sign Damon, get Granderson, I could see Melky and Swisher and Damon doing some platoon work.

  384. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    “what is interesting is why would cashman call toronto about doc if he knows it probably will cost 1 of joba/hughes?”
    ——————————————————–

    Cashman called Toronto about Doc?

  385. Stan November 11th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    Detroit will be active in the trade market in December or possibly before.
    Even with Sheffield money coming off the books, the Tigers will need to be payroll conscious. Their meltdown in late September did not sit well with their depressed fanbase.

  386. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    You’re welcome all!

    CC is a fantastic teammate, but the great thing is that he’s not the only one; this team is made up of great guys…

  387. CompassRosy November 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    [i]testing[/i]

  388. CompassRosy November 13th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    again

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