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Notes from Day 3 of the GM Meetings

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 11, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The agents for both Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui were in Chicago these past three days, but Yankees general manager Brian Cashman met with neither of them.

“I said hello passing in the hallway,” Cashman said. “But I never had any official dialogue with any agents about our players or any players who have elected free agency so far.”

On the final day of the General Managers Meetings, Cashman again expressed doubt that he would get a deal done before the 15-day exclusive negotiation window closes. The Yankees are one week into that window with eight days to go. The Yankees will gather their scouts and various decision makers before taking any sort of significant action. Outrighting Freddy Guzman and Josh Towers doesn’t exactly qualify as a let’s-discuss-this-first kind of decision.

One opinion that seems set in stone is Matsui’s ability to play the outfield. While the Yankees believe Damon would still be able to handle left field again next season, Cashman said Matsui is only a designated hitter. “He may very well be an outfielder for somebody else,” Cashman said. For the Yankees, though, Matsui is strictly a DH.

• Signing both Damon and Matsui would finalize the Yankees significant free agent position player signings. “If I did that I wouldn’t have room for anybody else unless I made trades,” Cashman said. To me, that suggests the Yankees are not considering replacing Xavier Nady. They would likely go into spring training with Nick Swisher as the everyday right fielder, which seems to be neither a bad thing nor a surprising thing.

• How certain is it that players eligible for free agency actually file for free agency? I wanted to double check that Andy Pettitte is the only Yankee who has yet to file, and Cashman said he honestly wasn’t sure. He hasn’t kept up with who has officially filed and who hasn’t.

• Just like with major league free agents, Cashman said the Yankees have the same 15-day window in which to negotiate with their own minor league free agents. I had no idea that was the case. That said, I imagine not many minor league free agents accept a minor league contract without at least checking around for better opportunities.

• I talked to one source who said Aroldis Chapman has exactly the arm and raw stuff that he’s touted as having, but his control remains a bit erratic. Doesn’t mean he won’t be a great pitcher, just means he’s not a finished product. As for who will get him, the price will rule out all but the usual suspects. “Start with the Yankees and Red Sox and go from there,” the source said.

• Cashman’s assessment of the trade market: “Like every year, there are players on other clubs that are very attractive and there are players that are being offered that aren’t,” he said. “It’s as simple as that. What necessarily fits and what doesn’t and asking prices, we’ll have to determine and work out. That’s all for another day. I guess it puts me in a better position at this stage, when we have our first scouting meetings, so we can pref things out with potential trade market players that are available along with the free agents. That usually isn’t a part of our first scouting meeting.”

 
 

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128 Responses to “Notes from Day 3 of the GM Meetings”

  1. RichThomas November 11th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Thanks for the reporting. 4 years for a Jeter-like Damon. Boras is a fool.

  2. Enough Pitching Changes November 11th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Aroldis Chapman I would not sign him…Boras is going to drive damon off the yankss..4 years for damon is crazy!!!!!!!!!!

  3. blake November 11th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Hot stove on mlb channel

  4. Erin November 11th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    The baseball season itself seems to go by so fast, but the off season drags on forever. I think I’m still in baseball withdrawl. lol

  5. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Give Damon and Matsui 1 yr. deals with options that vest based on performance, with salaries at 75% of what they made this year and incentives bonuses that can top out at say 25% more than they made this past season.

    Give Pettitte another 1 yr. incentive deal, but with a higher base salary and high incentive bonus ceiling.

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  7. m1kew November 11th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    Chad – it looks like the yanks have too few spots on the 40 man roster to protect too many now eligible young guys in their system. If this is correct it looks like Cashman might opt for a trade with one name (IAK?) and one or two not quite on the 40 man roster for a solid player (not All Star) like David DeJesus. Could such a package work? Or am I suggesting too little for too much?

  8. CK in LA November 11th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Boras is going to kill the chance of Damon resigning (unless Johnny over rides him). Really don’t understand the dismissive attitude about Matsui. There’s got to be more than “we don’t think he can play the field”.

  9. blake November 11th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Damon won’t take a one year deal

  10. CK in LA November 11th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Angels gave Abreu 2 years $19 mil. Damon probably earned a similar offer this year.

  11. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    “If I did that I wouldn’t have room for anybody else unless I made trades,” Cashman said. To me, that suggests the Yankees are not considering replacing Xavier Nady.”

    ??????

    Are you saying that Cash is saving room for Nady?

    Nady’s a free agent who may or may not be ready to play in late May.

  12. CK in LA November 11th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    I read it as Swisher was going to continue to be Nady’s replacement.

  13. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    It’s seems to be odd, doesn’t it, that the Yankees wouldn’t take advantage of the exclusivity period with their FAs?

  14. CK in LA November 11th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    # Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    It’s seems to be odd, doesn’t it, that the Yankees wouldn’t take advantage of the exclusivity period with their FAs?
    ————

    Not if you really don’t want to resign any of them. Sounds to me that Cashman has said just that.

  15. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    Chapman is apparently ridiculously talented and you can’t teach that. Here is where the Yankees’ $$$ is an advantage – I hope they use it. If he’s raw and takes a few years to develop, no problem – the upside is huge.

  16. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Betsy,
    Considering Andy won’t go anywhere else and the longer Damon and Matsui stay on the market, the lower their price is going to be. Plus Boras won’t do a deal without testing the whole market anyway.

  17. KO November 11th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    I just hope that Cashman is not narrow minded and only looks at Hideki’s age and his past knee problems and decides against bringing him back. I also don’t believe that re-signing Hideki gives the Yankees less flexibility. Matsui is happy to take many, many more rest days than most regular players. He sat tons of games this year so other guys could DH and he produced big time and seemed totally fine with his role. He even admitted the extra time off helped him stay fresh and healthy.

    Uh, if it’s not broke, don’t fix it. Hideki was as good this past year as I’ve seen him here in the U.S. He was a total beast this season against both righties and lefties, especially impressive numbers against southpaws. I don’t anticipate any big drop off for him, I think he can be very solid over the next 2 seasons and the Yankees can use basically the same formula they used this year. Bring him back for 2 years, also I would bring Damon back if he would sign for 2 years as well. I’m sure other teams would give him 3 or more, if he chooses that then fine he can take the more years.

    I just don’t want the Yankees to overpay for overrated Matt Holliday, he is not even close to the league of Mark Teixeira as Boras is trumpeting. The Yanks spent wisely this past offseason, but giving Holliday 100+ mil would be a big mistake.

  18. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    CK in LA,

    OK.

    Maybe it’s just me. I found it a little confusing.

  19. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    CK, I don’t think that’s true – I think they would like to re-sign both, but on the Yankees terms. I would imagine that by the time they finish their meetings, they will have offers to both Damon and Matsui. I don’t see a lot of negotiation, however. I think if the offers are rejected, the Yankees will quickly move on

  20. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Chapman is worth a look, and considering how much money was wasted on Pavano and Igawa, I don’t see why they wouldn’t throw 20-30 million out there for a guy with a legit 100 mph arm.

  21. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    KO, at most I give Damon 1 and an option; I don’t think I’d give him 2 guaranteed. I would prefer Matsui for 1 year given the condition of his knees – maybe 1 and a team option. I was just discussing this with my father. Although Matsui is strictly a DH and the Yanks lose some flexibility with him, what you say is all true. Not every player could sit for a few days, then come off the bench like he’d never sat…….and Matsui hits anyone. Sure, he has his bad streaks, but that’s like everyone else. I like the idea of a permanent DH – I don’t think that position should be used to rotate players through. Others have mentioned that if Hideki needs a break, maybe Miranda or Jorge Vasquez could be given a shot.

  22. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Pokey, true…….but for Damon and Matsui, I don’t think the Yankees are going to wait all that long (because they need to be able to make other plans if those two don’t sign).

  23. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    I’ve heard also that they are interested in Derosa, which could be a great way to ensure guys stay fresh during the season. He’d be an upgrade over Hairston with the bat.

  24. Heyya November 11th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    How is Derosa with the glove?

  25. Abdababdaserser November 11th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Given the economy and many teams looking to keep payroll down, I think the Yankees, being a team that has a high payroll, are smart for not doing much during the 15 day period. The market will develop and allow the Yankees to see how many years are offered, how much money is involved. They could be willing to let the FAs walk, or they could be looking to not over pay.

    I think they have a good idea on who, if any, they want back and for how long/how much. The market lets them see if that fits their ideas, or maybe even allows them to go lower.

    By playing it cool they keep everyone guessing on who they are targeting. It keeps the asking prices down some.

  26. dan l November 11th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    CB, Hawpe as recently as 2008 he put up this line against lefties
    .282 .350 .476 .826

  27. blake November 11th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Derosa is a great utility guy. He plays several postions well and can hit

  28. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    I don’t think they’ll wait too long, but at the same time I think they won’t rush to make a deal. As soon as Boras hears that they went and talked to Figgins, he’ll scale back his Damon demands. Plus Damon killed his negotiating power with how vocal he has been about wanting to come back.

    Matsui seems like an easier deal to make. All they need to do is make him a reasonable offer and he’ll most likely take it. His people have to know that being in NYC is going to make him the most money, just from an endorsement standpoint.

  29. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Derosa is pretty good with the glove, but I wouldn’t say he’s better than Hairston, and certainly not as fast. He’s got a stronger arm though.

  30. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Doesn’t Cash’s quote about how the Yankees would be done signing FAs if they signed Damon and Matsui indicate that they are on a pretty tight budget and that there will be no Holliday/Halladay deals (not that I want either for what they will cost)? How much would Damon and Matsui cost for one year anyway – total of maybe $22-23 million?

  31. Laura - "You should know I bleed Blue, but I ain't a Crip though" November 11th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    I guess what I don’t understand about them keep harping on Matsui only being a DH is that he was exactly that all year and it worked out fine for them. The guy put up good numbers. Why is the fact that he’s only a DH all of a sudden a problem? Do they know something about Posada that we don’t? Are they expecting him to need to DH more this year? Inquiring minds want to know.

  32. Enough Pitching Changes November 11th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    I just can’t see the yanks bringing back matsui…he handcuffs your roster because he can not play the field..you need the DH open next year for posada..arod…jeter….and damon if he comes back..someone said damon will get a similar deal the angels gave abreu..i agree with that

  33. blake November 11th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Boras is crazy if he thinks he’s getting a 4 year deal for Damon. I can see a team going 2 with an option for a 3rd or maybe a 3 year deal at the most. I don’t think the Yankees are gonna wait around while Boras plays his usual game. If Damon wants to stay with the Yankees he’ll have to go against Boras’s advice.

  34. vin November 11th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    “Betsy,
    Considering Andy won’t go anywhere else and the longer Damon and Matsui stay on the market, the lower their price is going to be. Plus Boras won’t do a deal without testing the whole market anyway.”

    Exactly. Remember when Ibanez and Burrell signed early with the Phils and Rays last year? Turns out they both could’ve been gotten for much less had the GMs waited around.

    Patience is the best practice for Cashman when it comes to Damon and Matsui, guys who will not go anywhere else, without at least checking with NYY.

  35. Enough Pitching Changes November 11th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    “If Damon wants to stay with the Yankees he’ll have to go against Boras’s advice.”

    agree..but boras’s clients never do that..do they??i can’t think of one

  36. antisocial scrooge November 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    derosa can start on some teams, he aint gonna sign with the yanks to sit.

  37. BJK November 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Enough Pitching Changes
    November 11th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
    “If Damon wants to stay with the Yankees he’ll have to go against Boras’s advice.”
    agree..but boras’s clients never do that..do they??i can’t think of one

    ————————————————————–

    I can think of one that eventually did. Alex Rodriguez.

    Of course, then Hank botched that up by giving him an obscene raise from an already obscene contract.

  38. blake November 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Arod did, but hey he still got 300 million dollars

  39. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    DeRosa’s overrated and will probably get hired by some dumb NL team as a starter.

  40. vin November 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    “Boras is crazy if he thinks he’s getting a 4 year deal for Damon.”

    He’s not crazy, and he doesn’t think he’s getting 4 years for Damon.

    When Johnny was 32 the best Boras could get him was a 4 year deal (for less average annual money than he originally wanted). Why would a 36 year old Damon, in a MUCH worse economy command the same length of contract?

    Boras knows this. He also knows that it doesn’t make sense to begin negotiations with lowered demands.

    Don’t buy into the rhetoric.

  41. pat November 11th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    Remember the most important phrase of the Hot Stove Season:

    You hear what they want you to hear.

    Boras has his mouthpieces as do every agent and GM. Stealth usually wins.

  42. Enough Pitching Changes November 11th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    I knew people would bring up arod..however he still got like a billion dollars..I am talking about giving a team a “home discount” a boras client is not doing that

  43. L to the 2nd November 11th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Bring back Damon for 2 , with Abreu-type money, Matsui & Pettitte for 1 , with incentives.

    Chapman gives me Contreras-like red flags, raw but talented. If you go after him, I wouldn’t even spend Igawa money on him.

    Stay away from Holliday & Bay – way too much $$ in a thin market – wait until next winter for the big crop.

    Lackey is worth a look as a possible 4th starter – I’d listen to Halladay offers but they have to be bargain basement now, TOR leverage is slipping each day.

    Bring back Wang with a lower base – non-tender (aka Lieber) – I wouldn’t give up on a guy who was a back-to-back 19 game winner & could’ve been 3 if not for a freak injury – never can have too much pitching.

    Like JHJ – would be nice to bring him back. Mall Cop’s days are probably numbered, though.

  44. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Bernie sort of went against Boras when he came back to the Yanks after Boras had set up a Boston deal. And last year Tex blew the market for Manny by insisting on the Yanks.

  45. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Betsy,
    I’d say closer to $25-27 million.

    Laura,
    His inability to play the field hurts Cashman’s goal of becoming a younger, more flexible team, both in the field and in the lineup. Him not being able to field means that in order to give a guy a rest from the field for the game, Matsui has to sit. It also hurts his value as a FA, since there are so many DH-types available not being able to go in the field every once in a while hurts his ability to stand out from the pack.

  46. Doreen November 11th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Cashman really goes the extra mile to make sure no one gets too excited here, doesn’t he? :lol: What a guy!

  47. Enough Pitching Changes November 11th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    “Bernie sort of went against Boras when he came back to the Yanks after Boras had set up a Boston deal. And last year Tex blew the market for Manny by insisting on the Yanks.”

    didn’t bernie get a least the same amount of money from the yanks? and which team was giving texiera more money then the yanks….

  48. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Maddux always bucked Boras and did what he wanted, rather than have Boras auction him off to the highest bidder.

  49. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Here’s SI’s article on the Yankees WS – this isn’t from the commemorative issue, it’s from this week’s regular SI:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...../index.htm

  50. pat November 11th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    “i can’t think of one”

    Sheffield and Kenny Rogers both told Boras to step aside and negotiated their own deals without him.

    Alex and Bernie did too without severing ties with him though.

  51. vin November 11th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    “DeRosa’s overrated and will probably get hired by some dumb NL team as a starter.”

    I think he’s perfectly rated. He signed a 3/13mill deal with the Cubs in ’07 (when he was 32). He’ll probably get a similar type deal this year… maybe as high as 3/18. He’s a solid contributor.

    He’s Jerry Hairston Jr. with more power and a better glove.

  52. BJK November 11th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    “Signing both Damon and Matsui would finalize the Yankees significant free agent position player signings. “If I did that I wouldn’t have room for anybody else unless I made trades,” Cashman said. To me, that suggests the Yankees are not considering replacing Xavier Nady”

    —————————————————————-

    I think this comment infers what most Yankee fans don’t want to accept and most baseball fans can’t conceive… the Yankees are operating on a budget.

    They’re tired of financing other teams (a la the Rays).

    They were operating under a budget last season, and made an exception for Tex because of this year’s market. Buying Tex last year meant a quiet trade deadline in 2009, and it will most likely mean a quieter off-season leading into 2010.

    Holliday, Bay, and Lackey are not the type of game-changers that CC and Tex are. Burnett only got his contract because the Yankees were desperate, especially with Moose retiring. That desperation doesn’t exist this year.

    Expect the payroll to come down unless a real game-changer becomes available through trade, a la Halladay or Crawford.

  53. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    And Damon will have to do the same if he wants to stay. Damon needs to remember that HE’s the boss, not Boras. If he ends up staying in Boras’ shadow and just taking his cues from him, then Johnny won’t be back.

    Pokey, so if the Yanks only have about $25-27 million to spend this off-season, I can’t see them (not that I ever believed they would) going after Holliday or Halladay).

  54. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Bernie had a deal done with Boston for 90 mil, and Arizona had offered 100. The Yanks original offer was 5/$60mil. When they woudn’t budge, Bernie thought he’d end up in Boston. Then the Albert Belle deal fell through and Cash and George came back with 7 yrs, almost $90 mil.

    That’s the basic story from Olney’s book.

  55. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    BJK, yep – there’s a budget, no question. The Yankees can still make moves, they just have to be somewhat creative.

  56. timo November 11th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Signing both Damon and Matsui only rules out another big money FA signing for the OF. Doesn’t rule out a FA pitcher (or Halladay). Cashman is committed to paying Swisher a lot of money and he isn’t going to pay him to sit, that’s all. Doesn’t mean Yanks are necessarily on a tight budget in the overall scheme of things.

  57. Stan November 11th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    “If Damon wants to stay with the Yankees he’ll have to go against Boras’s advice.”
    agree..but boras’s clients never do that..do they??i can’t think of one.

    ………………………………….

    Varitek did right after the 2004 season. Scott Boras may underestimate Damon. He lives in Orlando and likes spending spring training closer to home which is among other reasons.

  58. vin November 11th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    “I knew people would bring up arod..however he still got like a billion dollars..I am talking about giving a team a “home discount” a boras client is not doing that”

    I think the “home town discount” applies more to the player’s willingness to give the discount, not the agent. Every agent goes after the same players… the most talented ones.

    If a guy is willing to pass on millions of dollars, that’s his decision, and one that any agent will surely try to dissuade him from making.

  59. blake November 11th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    Derosa is a significantly better player overall than Hairston, he’s also probably significantly more expense than Hairston.

  60. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Bernie didn’t go around Boras to get his deal done. The only reason the Yanks came back to the table was because of the Belle double-cross.

    And I was jus saying that Damon and Matsui should cost $25-27 million (hopefully less). I have no idea how much Cashman is going to be playing with.

  61. blake November 11th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    I think Matsui and Pettitte accept one year deals but I’m starting to believe more and more than Damon won’t be back. If that ends up being the case then Cashman will most certainly use that money to sign somebody.. I agree though that if they bring all 3 back then the activity will probably be minimal.

  62. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 11th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    What kind of fool will sign Damon for more than 2 yrs with his age and his leg problem.

    I hope Cashman stands his groundnd,and Damon pulls an ALex,and side steps Boras and sign what Cashman offers.

    Yankees need to get younger anyway!

  63. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 11th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    meant ground!

  64. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Boras is only keeping Damon away from the Yanks long enough to preserve them as a possible landing point for Holliday.

  65. vin November 11th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Where else would Damon go?

    I posted this thought on RAB yesterday…

    I just can’t imagine Damon going anywhere else. In this economy, I can’t see a non-contender offering him more money than the Yanks. And I’m not sure which contending teams can really use him.

    Boston – I think they either re-sign Bay or get Holliday.
    Twins – too expensive
    Detroit – best bet?
    ChiSox – maybe, but Quentin would have to move to RF
    Anaheim – they have enough expensive outfielder/DH types
    Texas – Murphy is too good to be a 4th OFer
    Seattle – they don’t have enough pitching to contend

    I can’t see an NL team paying him for 3 or 4 years to play the outfield without the benefit of the DH.

    —-

    I thought maybe Detroit was the best bet… but if they’re looking to cut payroll then cross them off the list.

    The team that makes the most sense for Damon is the Yankees. It will get done, and if it doesn’t then it will be because “Stealth” has something awesome up his sleeve.

  66. CK in LA November 11th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    # Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    CK, I don’t think that’s true – I think they would like to re-sign both, but on the Yankees terms. I would imagine that by the time they finish their meetings, they will have offers to both Damon and Matsui. I don’t see a lot of negotiation, however. I think if the offers are rejected, the Yankees will quickly move on
    ——-

    I think the decision on Matsui has been made (and a bad one, in my opinion). Girardi’s comments about only being concerned about days & not months, Cashman’s comments about October’s performances not a factor …..

    Damon will come down to a 2 yr/4 yr debate. Boras has already said Damon desrves what Posada got and Jeter will get (apparently his balls are crystal).

  67. blake November 11th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Phil, you are so right. Boras always uses his “lesser clients” to help his leverage with his “prize clients”.

  68. CK in LA November 11th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    SF has been rumored as a place for Damon.

  69. CK in LA November 11th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Boras has already compare Holliday to Tex. A bit of a stretch, I think.

  70. pat November 11th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    “Boras is only keeping Damon away from the Yanks long enough to preserve them as a possible landing point for Holliday.”

    Agreed. I said the same thing a few threads ago. It’s Boras’ MO. Need to kep the Yankee $$ in play to get more $$ from someone else.

  71. haiku-manBoras knows November 11th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Boras knows the Yankees won’t sign 4 years.He just wants more than a 1 year contract.If Yankees offer 2 watch Boras will advise Damon to bite,it’s a ploy.

  72. CK in LA November 11th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    The OF signing game will change if the Sox don’t resign Bay.

  73. Phil November 11th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    The Sox met with Boras and Holliday today.

  74. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Abreu got 2 yrs 19 mil. He was a vital cog in one of baseball’s best offenses. He’s the same age as Johnny and had similar production. And he’s a better defensive player. (Hard to believe)

    Yankees will eventually make an offer to Damon.

    It’ll probably be in the 2 yr /19 mil range.

    And Johnny will either take it or not take it. Boras has nothing to do with it.

    Boras job right now is to get that initial offer as high as possible. If it’s a million more than Abreu’s? He’s done his job.

  75. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 11th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    Because the Yankees have a title to defend, in an NL park 2010.
    The thought of 3 days without a DH in the line again is scary.
    The DH needs to play a position too!

  76. vin November 11th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    “SF has been rumored as a place for Damon.”

    I know, I just don’t see it.

    I think the Yanks would go for a 2 year deal. But if JD and Boras insist on a 3 year deal, then…

    Would they really be willing to pay a 38 year old 8 or 9 million a year to play LF (in a spacious ballpark)?

    Johnny started 128 games in the field this year, and only 108 in 2008. We all saw how awful he is out there when healthy.

    They would have to give him ample rest… but they would be paying him like a full-time outfielder. That’s not a smart business decision. They would be better off going after Matt Holliday.

    The only way he doesn’t re-sign with NYY, is if some other team offers him more years. No NL team would dare offer him even 3 years because they have no DH fallback option.

  77. vinny-b (mariano rivera = babe ruth) November 11th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    The Yankees were hoping all the joy associated with being a champion Yankee would motivate Johnny Damon to accept a one- or, at the most, two-year deal to return. However, his representative, Scott Boras, flushed the notion of a hometown bargain. Instead, he compared his client to Derek Jeter and sounded as if he wants a three- or four-year deal for Damon. Damon has just concluded a four-year deal worth $13 million per year, and generally Boras does not want his clients to take pay cuts. If that is indeed the case, then the Yankees and Damon are heading for divorce. – SI.com
    ——————————————–

    Erica: you better talk to yo man.

  78. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 11th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Cardinals are preparing for Holliday if he’s a no go.They want Xavier Nady.

    Why don’t the GM’s ever come together just once,and conspire against Boras and beat him at his own game?

    I would love to see that.

  79. Erica - always OPPC November 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    CK in LA
    November 11th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
    SF has been rumored as a place for Damon.
    ******

    The NL doesn’t make sense for Damon. But then again, SF thought signing Barry Bonds was a great idea

  80. Erica - always OPPC November 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Erin-

    I just gave in and bought the DVD :-)

  81. blake November 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Since everyone on this board apparently is against the signing of Matt Holliday, I’m going to play devil’s advocate for a second.

    He has averaged around 100 runs, 200 hits, 40 doubles, 30 HR’s, 100 RBI’s, and 15-20 steals pretty much every year of his career. I think people make a little too much of his time in Oakland. A lot of players struggle for awhile when they change from the NL to the AL. Pitchers pitch completely differently in the AL and throw a lot more off-speed slop. The pitcher always has the advantage the first couple times he sees a hitter and Holliday had never faced many of the AL pitchers before. He has been pretty darn consistent except for a half a season in Oakland on a bad team (he hit .353 after being traded to the Cardinals).

    Of course he’s not worth 100 million dollars but he wouldn’t be the only Yankee to be overpaid and whose to say in this economy that the price doesn’t come down some.

    I’m not saying this is the move to make but if they decided to let both Damon and Matsui walk and use that money to sign Holliday then I wouldn’t be upset. He has stated before that he would like to be a Yankee and I think he would do well.

  82. Erica - always OPPC November 11th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    vinny-b (mariano rivera = babe ruth)
    November 11th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
    The Yankees were hoping all the joy associated with being a champion Yankee would motivate Johnny Damon to accept a one- or, at the most, two-year deal to return. However, his representative, Scott Boras, flushed the notion of a hometown bargain. Instead, he compared his client to Derek Jeter and sounded as if he wants a three- or four-year deal for Damon. Damon has just concluded a four-year deal worth $13 million per year, and generally Boras does not want his clients to take pay cuts. If that is indeed the case, then the Yankees and Damon are heading for divorce. – SI.com
    ——————————————–

    Erica: you better talk to yo man.
    **********

    Its Scott Boras being Scott Boras (Evil :evil: ). Personlly, I think the man should look into an acting career. It could not have been easy to make that statement with a straight face. My love for Johnny Damon is true, but even I would be dumbfounded if anyone signed him for 4 years

  83. CK in LA November 11th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Erica – always OPPC November 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    CK in LA
    November 11th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
    SF has been rumored as a place for Damon.
    ******

    The NL doesn’t make sense for Damon. But then again, SF thought signing Barry Bonds was a great idea
    ———-

    NL didn’t make sense for Manny either …. go figure?

  84. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 11th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Phil~
    the 15 days aren’t up.If Boras met with Theo and Holliday
    he is in big trouble.The Cardinals have that right for now.

  85. JMK aka The Overshare November 11th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    All it takes is one team to pay

  86. vinny-b (mariano rivera = babe ruth) November 11th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    “Its Scott Boras being Scott Boras (Evil :evil”
    —————————————-

    yup. The devil incarnate. Hopefully all will work out.

  87. BJK November 11th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    blake
    November 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Of course he’s not worth 100 million dollars but he wouldn’t be the only Yankee to be overpaid and whose to say in this economy that the price doesn’t come down some.

    I’m not saying this is the move to make but if they decided to let both Damon and Matsui walk and use that money to sign Holliday then I wouldn’t be upset. He has stated before that he would like to be a Yankee and I think he would do well.

    ————————————————————

    He wouldn’t be the only Yankee to be overpaid, but that’s a habit I personally would like to see them start breaking. Plus, when they overpay it’s usually to retain their own players, which I think is admirable.

  88. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    I’m not against signing Holliday, but I do have reservations. His home/road splits with the Rockies were terrible. But a lot of the AL East Parks are very hitter-friendly, and playing 81 games in NYS would be great for his power numbers. I’m willing to disregard his Oakland stint, considering how unfriendly that park is and the lack of any protection in that lineup. Overall he is a very good player, and batting 5th behind Tex and A-Rod I can see him being very productive. But the price tag is ridiculous. I can’t see him being worth $20 mil. a season, especially in this economic climate. If it was 6 years at about $16-18 mil. a year, I’d have no problem with it.

  89. damon enjoy 27...think 28 November 11th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    So Boras wants to compare Damon to Jeter?

    -How many,if any Yankee records has he come close to breaking?

    -Jeter can throw you out at home Damon can’t.

    -Jeter didn’t have to sit out in the WS critical game 6,because he ran the bases and sprang his calf.

    -Jeter has 3 more rings than Damon.

    -Jeter is more physically fit for the season.

    -Damon always has leg problems.

    -Damon isn’t Jeter…nuff said!!

  90. Abdababdaserser November 11th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    I am sorry, but while it is frustrating as a fan who wants to see certain players sign who are represented by Boras, calling him evil is just wrong. Boras is doing his job, presenting his clients in the best possible light, asking for the best possible deal he can get them.

    He is just doing exactly what his clients, the ones who pay his salary, are asking him to do. Yes, sometimes he can overplay his hand, but more times than not he reads the market well and knows his clients well.

    Its a two way street for every FA. Damon may want to remain in pinstripes, but that means nothing if the Yankees don’t want to sign him again. The Yankees might want him but at a big discount from his last contract, and Damon may not desire to lower his price tag that much.

  91. blake November 11th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    I think he might end up signing for 16-18 per. At 6 years thats still around 100 million though. Another thing people keep saying is that they should just wait and sign Crawford instead. By the time Crawford hits free agency he himself will be almost 30 and speed is his biggest asset. Holliday hits for more power, better average, and OBP. Crawford’s advantage is his speed which will start to diminish over the life of his next contract. I guess what I’m saying is I think Holliday will be a more productive player at say 34 than Crawford will.

  92. Zoso November 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    With older players, I truly believe in this motto:

    better to move on a year too early than a year too late.

    trying to wring another year out Damon in left field might be an exercise in futility (therefore, logic dictates that any type of multi-year deal would be foolish).

  93. blake November 11th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Boras is just doing his normal song and dance. Damon is still a very productive hitter but he’s a left fielder and a defensive liability. Jeter just won a gold glove at shortstop. DH type outfielders are everywhere. Shortstops that can hit are few and far between. They are hardly the same value.

  94. Buddy Biancalana November 11th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Anyone fancy a blockbuster of Granderson & Edwin Jackson?

  95. blake November 11th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    I’m not sure Granderson is a huge upgrade over Melky at this point (especially if you have to give up Jackson to get him). If we’d be getting the 2007 Granderson then sure but he hasn’t been seen in 2 years. I’d love to have Edwin but again the question is what would it take to get him.

  96. JasonR November 11th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Don’t take the 4 year contract or comparisons to Jeter seriously. Boras is just doing his job, trying to get the best contract for his client. And as pointed out earlier, he needs the Yankees as leverage or a landing spot for Holliday.

    He may be evil, but he’s good at what he does.

  97. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Granderson/Jackson would cost at least AJax, Montero, a top pitching prospect and one of Hughes/Joba. Not worth it, especially if Detroit is not willing to pick up a significant portion of Granderson’s salary.

    Waiting on Crawford could be intriguing. He’s well above average in all phases of the game. Plus having he and AJax/Gardner in the field would mean no fly ball reaches a gap from right-center to the lf line.

  98. vinny-b (mariano rivera = babe ruth) November 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Anyone fancy a blockbuster of Granderson
    —————————————

    I would kill for Curtis Granderson. He and Ichiro, are my 2 favorite non-NYY players

  99. BJK November 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Wow, Granderson really is atrocious against lefties, isn’t he?

  100. Chad Jennings November 11th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    One thing about the “wouldn’t have room for anybody else” comment from Cashman.

    I took him to mean room in the lineup. That’s why I mentioned Nady. If the Yankees get Damon and Matsui, the lineup would be set. They wouldn’t be looking for someone to take Nady’s spot as a corner outfield candidate.

    The Yankees went into camp last year with three corner outfielders capable of playing everyday. Sounds like they won’t be doing that this year if they bring both Damon and Matsui back.

  101. vinny-b (mariano rivera = babe ruth) November 11th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    “Don’t take the 4 year contract or comparisons to Jeter seriously. Boras is just doing his job, trying to get the best contract for his client. And as pointed out earlier, he needs the Yankees as leverage or a landing spot for Holliday.
    He may be evil, but he’s good at what he does”
    —————————————————

    a Boras apologist. how lovely

  102. Chad Jennings November 11th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    And yes, Granderson has some of the more shocking left-right splits in baseball. You don’t expect it from that type of player, but there’s no denying it.

  103. Joe from Long Island November 11th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    I don’t know that I’d call a trade for Granderson-Jackson a blockbuster, but….
    1. Edwin Jackson’s performance tailed off the second half of last year. Anyone concerned about a possible injury?

    2. Granderson going to the Yankees likely means goodbye to Damon or Matsui.

    3. Would anyone be ready to give up Joba/Phil and Austin Jackson? Maybe David Robertson? Detroit has bullpen issues, after all. You’re talking two established major leaguers, one of whom Dave Dombrowski is going to try to sell as a No. 2 starter, the other as a starting LF/CF and potential All Star. That’s not going to come cheap. Dombrowski is going to want some real value in return.

    Me, if that’s the price I think long and hard about giving up at least one starter who has shown glimpses of pretty electric stuff; or a David Robertson, who’s shown he might be the ever vital “8th inning guy”.

  104. abernste November 11th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    I don’t blame Scott Boras one bit for saying what he said — it’s his job — but the situation with Damon is as clear cut as any I’ve ever seen. The Yankees will offer him a contract that’s basically identical to what Bobby Abreu just received ($19 million for two years). If no other team is willing to go higher, Johnny is in pinstripes next year and in 2011. If someone offers him more, he’s almost certainly gone. That’s it. The Yanks are not posturing here – Cashman made that pretty clear yesterday.

  105. teddy November 11th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    hey chad

    curtis ops career is 694 against lefties with a 210 ba.

    so he need a platoon. i pass on curtis for that reason and the chips to trade away.
    .

    yanks could sign mike cameron on 1 year deal balance lineup a bit, but lots of k’s.

    melky and gardner on the bennch

  106. Joe from Long Island November 11th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    As far as Scott Boras negotiating for Damon – well, that’s his job. To get the best deal for his clients. I would want someone like that doing my deals. This is just the opening salvo, trying to drum up demand, from the Yankees and others.

    This is where Cashman’s past history of dealing with Boras and other agents comes in. If he has a rep as being consistent and trustworthy in what he says during negotiations, then Boras will realize that when Cash says two years/X dollars is as far as the Yanks go, then that’s it, Boras won’t try to bs. Damon will have a decision to make, and, having looked at the precedent that Abreu set, may go with it. If not, then hello, Curtis Granderson. (Maybe Dave Dombrowski did Cash a favor in the Damon negotiations. It’s always good to have a fall back position.)

  107. Betsy November 11th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Chad, that was my bad – I misread that section of your post.

    Joe, no I wouldn’t do that…..Granderson’s splits concern me; I’m not sure I’d want to give up a lot for a player who’d have to be platooned (even though most pitchers are right-handed).

  108. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    If they signed Cameron, that means they don’t bring Damon back. I can’t see him as anything other than a backup plan in case Damon goes elsewhere.

  109. Chad Jennings November 11th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    No worries Betsy.

  110. teddy November 11th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    they can sign both. yanks have money to spend.

    if i don’t put melky on the bench, i trade him while his value high

  111. Joe from Long Island November 11th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Betsy, I agree. If Granderson came in exchange for Wilson Betemit-type, then I jump at that. But, Cash already played that card last year :)

  112. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Granderson wouldn’t come cheap. Detroit would probably not want to pick up much or any of his salary, and he’d command a top prospect or two along with someone like Hughes/Joba/IPK.

  113. BJK November 11th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Chad: I apparently also misunderstood your comment, but do you get the sense that Cashman is trying to get his budget under control? Didn’t he need special permission from ownership to break the bank for Tex last year?

  114. blake November 11th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Maybe I’m in the minority but I like Melky. I saw significant improvement in his defense last year. Better routes to the ball, better jumps, and he can throw. I also think he will continue to develop as a hitter with regular playing time and he has a history of getting big hits, plus he’s cheap for now. I’d be perfectly fine with him in CF next year.

  115. teddy November 11th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    i like melky, his numbers indicate he a 4th outfielder. good time to trade him while his value high

  116. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Considering Detroit isn’t run by Kenny Williams, I don’t think that would happen.

  117. blake November 11th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Trade him to who for what. He’s not going to bring that much and he’s the best defensive CF they have right now.

  118. sab November 11th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    if boras couldn’t get 4 years for manny (he only got 2 and didn’t even get him more money from what the redsox would have paid him), after what manny did for the dodgers in the regular season and playoffs after he was traded in 2008- then boras will not be able to get damon more than 2 years either..

    he can put together the biggest book on damon showing how he is as good as babe ruth but all a smart gm has to do is see damon’s splits between yankee stadium and elsewhere – johnny d was made to hit at Yankee Stadium..

  119. teddy November 11th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    whose know a prospect, gardner a much better defender than melky.

  120. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    The rumor mill said that Cash had to get Hal to open the bank on the Tex deal. They weren’t lying when they said the bank was closed after AJ and CC.

  121. JasonR November 11th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    “a Boras apologist. how lovely”

    It’s not about “apologizing” for him, it’s about understanding the process and how the hot stove works. Complaining about Boras leaking A-Rod opting out of his contract during the World Series is fine. That was a bush league move. Complaining about him saying that Johnny Damon deserves a 4 year deal is silly to me.

  122. Rishi November 11th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    :arrow:

  123. blake November 11th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    I disagree that Gardner is a better defender than Melky. Gardner is faster but Melky takes better routes and throws much better.

  124. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Melky may have a better arm, but there is no way he takes better routes than Gardner. Plus Melky tends to want to show off his arm. How many runners did he allow to advance this past season by trying to gun down someone at home when they were sure to score?

  125. teddy November 11th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    melky does have a better arm. i think brett takes better routes most of the time

  126. randyhater November 11th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    I still feel Matsui will be back and think Cash gently bad-mouthing him(“he’s not an outfielder”) is all about isolating him from other potential bidders and driving down his price. Why knock him if you plan to cut ties?

    Damon I’m starting to wonder about. Boras loves moving high profile guys to new teams (think Damon from Boston, his attempt to pull Arod from us). Partly it’s to keep teams in future deals from banking on a hometown discount, partly it stokes his massive ego.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if he found a sucker willing to go 3 years on Damon. The Metamucils need a LF and the Wilpons love feigning interest in the big ticket guys (Holliday) before settling for the cheaper alternative.

    If I’m Cash I make him a very public Abreu-like offer (2 for 20M) and give him a hard deadline. The further this gets from the Parade, the better Boras’ chance of working his mind control on Johnny D (who let’s be honest, isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer).

  127. Dan November 11th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    Am I the only person who thinks we shouldn’t sign either Damon or Matsui, no matter what their price? I felt the Yankees were handcuffed with Damon even this year. I really think that if the price tag for the outfield market comes down a bit, the Yanks should pick up Holliday, or a cheap replacement to tide them over into next season’s market. Why not sign Dye to a 1 year (if he’s biting) or even Nady or try for Holliday… maybe not the best option with the deep FA class next year, but trades are always possible too. Both Damon and Matsui are defensive liabilities, and although both can hit, there is some merit and huge financial interest in letting both go.

  128. Pokey November 11th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Most teams would kill to be “handcuffed” by having a player like Damon, on and off the field.


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