Two random Rule 5 thoughts
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 12, 2009 
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Two things to note about the Yankees’ list of first-time Rule 5 eligible players.
College players drafted in 2006 are eligible for the first time.
That means, had they not been called up in their first full season, this would be the first year Ian Kennedy and Joba Chamberlain would have to be protected. Gives you a good feel for just how quickly those two were brought to the major leagues. David Robertson and Mark Melancon would also have to be protected for the first time if they weren’t already on the 40-man.
High school players from the 2005 draft are also eligible this year.
The Yankees took shockingly few high school players in 2005. Of their first 20 picks, 18 came out of college. The only exceptions were ninth-round pick Austin Jackson and first-round pick C.J. Henry. In a draft that may go down as one of the best in baseball history — the first round alone included Upton, Zimmerman, Braun, Tulowitzki, Maybin, McCutchen, Bruce, Ellsbury, Garza and Rasmus — the Yankees got a dud in Henry, who’s disappointing career has led him out of baseball.
Henry never panned out. But they did use him as a chip when they traded for Abreu. I know money was a big factor in the trade, but the Phillies did still like Henry at the time.
So the pick wasnt completely useless.
From the Detroit Point of View on Granderson:
http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....ade-market
Chad – If it’s not too much trouble, could you give us a list of some of the more intriguing guys from around the league who might be available for the Rule V draft?
Thanks for all the valuable info Chad.
What Joba and Kennedy did in the minor leagues in 2007 was remarkable.
Kennedy – Tampa, Trenton and Scranton:
12-3, 1.91 ERA, 10 so/9, 5.6 hits/9, 0.964 whip
Joba – Tampa, Trenton and Scranton:
9-2, 2.45 ERA, 13.8 so/9, 2.8 bb/9, 1.0008 whip
They just abused those poor minor leaguers.
The draft is such a crapshoot anyway. More than any other sport, you can’t predict who’s going to excel in the majors and who isn’t. It’s not like football where a guy who can run a 4.2 40 is probably going to have a future somewhere. Wasn’t Joba taken in like the 26th round or something like that? I’m sure guys in the 1st or 2nd round have a better chance of making it to the Bigs, but it seems you can find plenty of diamonds in the rough every year.
Also, I think Granderson would cost a fortune and probably isn’t worth it. A great player, but he’s been homer happy and strikes out way too much. We have enough of those guys.
Can the Yankees take Brackman off the 40 man roster? I can’t believe anyone is willing to take a chance on that over paid and over wild pitcher. They would have to assume his salary correct? and he would have to make their 40 man roster?
I can’t imagine this guy being ready for MLB when he isn’t ready for AA basesball.
Thoughts Chad?
Joba was a 1st round sandwich pick. He was thought very highly of, but other teams worried about a minor injury history and the price he would command.
Unbelievable. The Yankees win the World Series and Peyton Manning is on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
Part II
Not to mention Edwar Ramirez…… he might have a future in the majors but not with the Yankees (too inconsistent and when he is bad it is homerville) and Lastly, Christian Garcia as good as his stuff is, he is always injured and he is coming major surgery this year – don’t know if anyone is interested in him.
Chad Thoughts?
George Steinbrenner went to work today
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
There is no way in the world to know what Brackman will or won’t be. What we all should know is that you don’t judge a pitcher on his first yr back from TJ surgery.
He was awful for most of the year. But he did pitch great over the last few weeks of the season. I’m sure that helped his confidence. Hopefully he makes strides this year.
“Unbelievable. The Yankees win the World Series and Peyton Manning is on the cover of Sports Illustrated.”
Well they can’t jinx the Yankees right now, might as well try to help out their New England boys and put the jinx hammer on Manning
Doc Gooden on with Michael Kay – I always love Doc, even when he was with the Mets, so I’m very happy that he’s got his life in order. He said he was watching the parade from the crowd – he had his shades on, lol. Kay asked about Jeter and Doc said that while you could never know that Derek was going to turn out to be this kind of player, his work ethic has never changed. Doc, of course, is from Tampa and Jeter would go there a month after the season to start working out…..
Ken Rosenthal was on with Kay also (earlier), but I missed a lot of it. He said the Yankees have options if Matsui/Damon don’t sign, esp. Damon, and that they could use another pitcher. He’s not sure where Holliday is going to go as he doesn’t think Holliday is going to get Tex $$$.
Big V -
They could but won’t. If they remove Brackman from the 40 someone will certainly claim him – he’s too talented to pass up.
Keep in mind that prior to this year he hadn’t pitched in a year and a half due to TJ surgery – (or rather the need for it) and so he had a lot of rust to shake off and when you’re that big and your mechanics are out of whack it takes a while to fix it. I think we’ll see a much improved Andrew Brackman this year and after that he should FLY through the system.
Ben, that is the sports writers to you.
A collective of fools.
Erica, what was up with this:
“The NL doesn’t make sense for Damon. But then again, SF thought signing Barry Bonds was a great idea”
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Betsy,
If the market for Holliday were to fizzle – let’s say he gets to around Christmas without a deal – I could see the Yankees jumping in with a 5 year $75 mil offer. Even if they have Damon (or his replacement) in the fold.
I think the Yankees will view Holliday the same way they looked at Tex. They’ll sit back, let everyone else haggle and negotiate and jump in with an offer at the last minute with an offer and see what happens.
“There is no way in the world to know what Brackman will or won’t be. What we all should know is that you don’t judge a pitcher on his first yr back from TJ surgery.”
Exactly.
As awful as he was this year, he still stayed healthy for the entire season – which is the big thing. He threw 30 more innings in ’09 than he had thrown in any other year.
The Yanks have too much invested in him to pull the plug too soon. 1st round pick. 4 year major league deal. 40 man roster spot. They’ll give him every possible chance to succeed… his arm is just too good.
Ben
November 12th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Unbelievable. The Yankees win the World Series and Peyton Manning is on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
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Why am I not surprised?
Nick in SF…..Thanks for your Compliment…You just don’t toss them around …
But I thought if a player is selected off the 40 man roster he has to make their roster – which I believe applies to the Rule 5 issue.
With Brackman – he is young enough they have options on him. I think it is a contractual thing for him to be on the roster.
They should be able to get him to void that – the are the Yankees after all………
I take that back…I am surprised they put Manning on the cover and not Brady. LOL
Big V -
He signed a major league contract – you can’t void that. The only way to get him off the 40 man roster is to Designate him for Assignment which means he would have to pass through waivers.
Pat M, no problem, it was sincere. Anyone who makes predictions will sometimes be wrong, but yours always have a solid foundation and reasonable basis. So many just spout nonsense from their backsides…
Nick in SF
November 12th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Erica, what was up with this:
“The NL doesn’t make sense for Damon. But then again, SF thought signing Barry Bonds was a great idea”
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Wow.. memory like an elephant.
I think SF’s early contracts with Bonds were fine. But as he got older, more broken down and more sucked into the stigma of steroids- those later resignings were a mistake
the Yanks could and most probably should leave Brackman unprotected in the rule 5 because he absolutely would not be claimed by any team. Although he has big tools i believe the claiming team would inherit his contract and would have to keep him on their 25man roster the whole year and there is not shot of that happening as he has yet to have evn a sucessful stint above A ball. If a team has to take that contract and keep him in the big leagues for the whole season no one is claiming him.
Speaking of Bonds…
He played for the Giants from ’93-2007.
During that span (15 seasons), he had *1* year where he OPS’d below 1.000
The year was 2006. His OPS that season was .999
The dude was a machine.
at no point is his tenure with the Giants was Bond’s contracts a mistake they were able to build one of the most beautiful ballparks in the game on the back of Bonds and sold out all the time he was in uniform.
Even from a production standpoint his last two years when he missed a combined 68games he averaged 128games .275 27hrs .470obp and 1025.obps
the Yanks could and most probably should leave Brackman unprotected in the rule 5 because he absolutely would not be claimed by any team.
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He is already on the 40 man and would have to clear waivers
“the Yanks could and most probably should leave Brackman unprotected in the rule 5 because he absolutely would not be claimed by any team. ”
He’s already on the 40 man roster, as required by the contract he signed out of the draft.
In order to get him off the 40 man, the Yanks would have to waive him…
hope no team picks him up through the waiver process (he would get picked up – hell, Jose Veras got claimed off waivers)…
Re-sign him to a minor league deal.
Oh yeah, his agent is Scott Boras (just to complicate things).
Brackman isn’t going anywhere next year except to Charleston and hopefully Tampa.
Erica, the comment was on my…bulletin board, or whatever it is one can paste from on the blackberry…but it stuck in my mind as being highly curious… I don’t think the two situations are at all analogous, but Bonds filled that ballpark ’til the endj he made a lot more sense in SF than he would have elsewhere. Perhaps it was a different Barry they erred on…
I really don’t care if the NL makes no sense for Damon i think damon and Boras care that SF make write him a check for 3 years.
What i care about is what makes sense for my Yanks and i think anything more than a year for Damon is too much
i’d much prefer to next year get Crawford for 4-5years and have an of LF-Crawford,CF-AJax,RF-Ankiel…defensively that would be the best in the Game potentially
Chad, Sam,
I was wondering… what about “spying” on the thoughts of the sportswriters in Boston, Philadelphis, LA, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, da Mets, etc etc…
… Do we know what’s going on in some other places?
Of course we want to pick off the top unprotected Rule 5 players in other cities, right??
yeah that’s right about Brackman’s contract i actually think that the Yanks start him in Tampa even though he sucked for most of the year….depends on what his control looks like this spring….
the yankees are not going to give up on brackman now or yet
in a year if he shows no or little gains maybe
he is a pitcher that can move up very fast if he ever gets it together
especially if he pitched well towards the end of this season
“especially if he pitched well towards the end of this season”
I believe he started pitching well after they moved him to the BP last year. The fact that he was moved to the pen is actually a very good thing because it meant he was coming up on his innings limit.
Similar to Joba’s season this year, you can pretty much throw away the numbers and just be happy Brackman took the ball every fifth day. Of course total domination would’ve been nice…
i think crawford stays with the rays but man would he be perfect in our lf
crawford,ajax/melky,swisher/???
Nick in SF
November 12th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Erica, the comment was on my…bulletin board, or whatever it is one can paste from on the blackberry…but it stuck in my mind as being highly curious… I don’t think the two situations are at all analogous, but Bonds filled that ballpark ’til the endj he made a lot more sense in SF than he would have elsewhere. Perhaps it was a different Barry they erred on…
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It was just my opinion. If filling a ballpark is your goal, the contract works. If winning is your goal, I am not sure it does. You don’t have to agree with me…
And yeah, the other Barry contract even worse
And on that note, my day has been miserable and I am really cranky right now so I am going to leave work. Bye all
hey GB7 and Bodhi and (anyone else who knows a bit about our farm system) i’m curious about thoughts regarding the starting roster of both Trenton and Tampa. I was thinking for example that Trenton could look something like this;
C/DH-Montero and Romine…Montero moves to SWB late May if he starts of en fuego like last season
1b-Laird
2b-David Adams
SS-Sublett?
3b-Vechinacci(good glove resign?)
RF-Brewer
CF-Krum
LF-Gonalez(another resign maybe can recapture ’08)
SP-Chapman(i think we get him and start him here),Horne,DeLaRosa,DJ Mitchell,Bleich Pendleton if Horne’s not ready out of S/T
that is a monster staff……Thoughts
Bantering with a cranky commenter can be hazardous to one’s health.
• Draft order. There was a discussion about changing the draft order to reflect not only the regular season standings but also the postseason. Basically, the GMs talked about the World Series winner drafting last, the runner-up drafting next-to-last, and so on. This would only affect the last few spots in the draft. There was no discussion of a worldwide draft, of trading draft picks, a forced slotting system or changing the way compensation picks are awarded
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Going back and reading that again, does that mean as it is currently, the Red Sox have the 2nd or 3rd to last pick because they had the 2nd or 3rd best record in all of baseball?
as Far as Tampa
C-Farnham
1b-?
2b-Corben Joseph(stud!)
ss-Pirela(love his game)/Maruszak(sleeper)
3b-Lassiter?
RF-Mesa(sleeper stud if he can get his eye up)
CF-Almonte(this is my guy i’m high on)
LF-Grote(maybe rushing here)
SP-Banuelos,Brackman,Noesi,Phelps,Jairo Heredia another stacked staff
thoughts?
RAB brings up a good point, that seems to be lost in all the discussion, Cashman said there would be no limits on Hughes and Joba.
That makes both of them the 4 and 5 starters, because no more rules
I don’t get the reasoning with the change in the draft order. So, if the team with the 8th best record get hot and wins the WS, they pick 30th the following year, instead of 22? Is that such a difference?
It seams to me they chose the least significant aspect of the draft system and decided to discuss that!
The Rays should keep him but they will not pay him 5yrs/75mil and that’s what he’ll get on the market they will bring up Jennings ro take his place and they are very similar players…
If I were the GM for Tampa i’d offer BJ/Sonnastine to Arizona for Miguel Montero/Chris Young and Qualls,resign Crawford and play Jennings in CF. to me Crawford is the Rays’ Jeter without all the rings but he should be a Ray for life but they will not be able to pay him the 15mil a year he’d command on the open market
“Going back and reading that again, does that mean as it is currently, the Red Sox have the 2nd or 3rd to last pick because they had the 2nd or 3rd best record in all of baseball?”
Yes. The Sox pick 29th. The Yanks pick last in the first round – 32nd overall (2 teams didn’t sign their 1st rounders last year).
2010 draft order:
http://riveraveblues.com/2010-draft-order/
no it would mean the 8 post season teams would make up the final 8 picks in the draft with the advancing teams moving to the last picks…the WS winner would be 30,runner up 29,LCS runners up 28-27 based on record i assume etc..
Tex gets the Silver Slugger
1B Silver Sluggers- Tex and Pujols
Who votes on the Silver Sluggers? Congrats to Tex!
Hey, that Tex guy is pretty good.
Good thing his wife preferred the Yanks over BOS
Chomp on that for the next 8 years, RSN (I’m lookin’ at you, John Henry).
“1B Silver Sluggers- Tex and Pujols”
Suck it, Youkilis and Morales!
Tex was so good this year. As I’ve said numerous times… best 180 million dollars I’ve never spent.
Chad,
Thank you very much for all of your hard work on the Rule 5 draft.
Excuse me for being very picky, but I was interested in your comments regarding Romulo Sanchez. You indicated at one point that Romulo Sanchez was eligible for the Rule 5 draft last year. Well, I guess, technically, so was Derek Jeter in the sense that both players had played more than the requisite number of years since being drafted or signed.
But to be eligible for the Rule 5 draft, you must have both the requisite number of years and be signed to a minor league contract for the coming year. Last year at this time, neither Derek Jeter nor Romulo Sanchez was signed to a minor league contract for 2009. Romulo Sanchez was on the Pittsburgh 40-man roster (major league contract) at this time last year, and, like Derek Jeter, was not eligible to have his contract involuntarily assigned in the Rule 5 draft. Romulo Sanchez was not outrighted to Indianapolis by the Pirates until 4/8/2009.
And, speaking of Romulo Sanchez, does he have a minor league contract for 2010 to be assigned in the Rule 5 draft in 2009? Perhaps he has signed a contract and I haven’t heard about it. Otherwse, I can’t see why, any day now, he wouldn’t be declared a minor league free agent by the Commissioner. Romulo Sanchez signed his first seven year minor league contract on 3/8/2002, and he started play in the affiliated minor leagues in 2002. He has now played in the minor leagues for all or parts of eight different seasons.
Congrats to Tex!
You know, I happen to think the Winner of the World Series should get the first draft pick as a reward. I guess that wouldn’t go over too well.
Cano will probably get edged out by Aaron Hill
SS Silver Sluggers- Derek and Hanley
Hughes will have an innings limit but it won’t be as severe as Joba’s as hughes has thrown more innings in the minors than Joba ad so they will be more Leniant with him but I think they’d like 28-30starts and maybe 170innings from Hughes next season. What i’m sure they won’t do is the stupid 6 weeks of 2-4 inning “starts” program like they did with Joba although i think Phil would handle it better than Joba.
if you resign Wang it could work out perfectly as he may be fully healthy and ready to assume Hughes rotation spot july/aug and Hughes could finish the season in the pen
“Who votes on the Silver Sluggers?”
Managers and coaches and you can’t vote for your own players
There goes that Jeter, compiling again
What’s next, Intangibles of the Year Award?
2B Silver Slug- Hill and Utley
bru
November 12th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
i think crawford stays with the rays but man would he be perfect in our lf
crawford,ajax/melky,swisher/???
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Ya know Crawford has a career .335 OBP. He does not fit at all into the Yankees lineup. He strikes out a lot and does not work pitchers. This is not what we need in the 2 hole. David DeJesus would be a much better option. He moves along runners, puts pressure on the defense, and has a good OBP.
I am sorry, but I could just not help myself….
In all seriousness though. I am not sold on giving Crawford a big contract. I do not like the idea of paying mid 30′s Carl Crawford 15 million a year. With a guy so dependent on speed, the decline years may not be so pretty. This is one of the reasons I want to trade for Granderson. He has a MUCH better contract than Crawford will demand. Curtis will make half as much next year as Crawford will. If we have Granderson I do not see the Yankees going after Crawford, which I think I would be happy about.
Nice year so far for Derek……Hank Aaron Award, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger Award……As for the MVP Award, Texeria & Derek are going to split too many votes….Mauer ( caught only 109 games ) very well may just nose him out….2 MVP’s just out of his grasp I fear ???….I say the 2009 MVP will be Derek Jeter’s….
Catcher Silver Sluggers Mauer and McCann
3B Silver Sluggers Longoria and Zimmerman
Carl Crawford is very fun to watch, but I don’t think he is as valuable as many think. He doesn’t walk and doesn’t have a lot of power. I’d like to have him, but I don’t think he is a player you plan for a year ahead like CC. I also read somewhere that he would give the Rays a hometown discount.
Congratulations to Francisco Cervelli for winning the Silver Eyes award!!!
No Phil in the pen – that would be a horrible move. It would be bad enough to start him there, but to finish it? Forget it -Phil is a starter. If they have to send him to AAA, fine. If they have to skip starts, fine…….anything but the pen
Erica is cranky. Can someone say something positive about Damon returning?
“Nice year so far for Derek……Hank Aaron Award, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger Award……”
I read an article earlier today talking about interesting contrasts.
Jeter usually heralded for intangibles had all the stats and awards but Alex usually heralded for all the stats and awards got none this year but had the intangibles.
Both got the most important thing though. A WS ring.
No Phil in the pen – that would be a horrible move. It would be bad enough to start him there, but to finish it? Forget it -Phil is a starter. If they have to send him to AAA, fine. If they have to skip starts, fine…….anything but the pen
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I think they just let him pitch. And if the yankees have a cushion at the end of the year they just limit Hughes to 5 or 6 IP a game.
If Cash says they have no significant limits then I think its cutting loose both of them.
Pat, thanks!
Helluva year for Jeter, but no way will he get the MVP. Even without Mauer, voters just don’t think of Jeter that way…
“Congratulations to Francisco Cervelli for winning the Silver Eyes award!!!”
How about showing some love for Nick Swisher… who won the Silver Lining award.
Enough with the Brackman ………. LOL
Just cut Edwar – Edwar won’t make the squad anyway and we don’t trust him. If you can trade for a Single A prospect then do it.
Jerkface, I was pleasantly surprised to read that quote yesterday as well….I agree with you also……..
Congratulations to Melky Cabrera for winning the Silver Peanuts award!!!
Nick in SF
November 12th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Congratulations to Francisco Cervelli for winning the Silver Eyes award!!!
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Love it. He blew everybody else out of the water in that race!!
“If I were the GM for Tampa i’d offer BJ/Sonnastine to Arizona for Miguel Montero/Chris Young and Qualls,resign Crawford and play Jennings in CF. ”
I saw you mentione Chris Young…
Did you know that he has the 4th lowest seasonal OPS+ ever for any batter who hit 32 home runs in a season?
In ’07 he hit 32 hrs, and had an OPS+ of only 88.
I saw the statline and it piqued my interest.
http://www.baseball-reference......&pusa=
Erica-do you need a visit from Super Grover?
I wonder if Bonds is still in shape, or how long it would take to get in shape, or if he is still interested in playing.
I would love to have a 500 OBP as our DH, if not Matsui.
OF Silver Sluggers- Bay, Hunter, Ichiro, Kemp, Ethier and Braun
Congratulations to Edwar Ramirez for winning the Sliver award!!!
Man Matt Kemp is the next great ballplayer….I remember last winter so many here were down on him….Mostly because not many had seen him or really heard of him…..He is still learning how to play baseball…..
a homewtown discount is one thing but he’d be leaving probably 25 mil on the table to stay in Tampa and no one would do that and as far as his power is concerned his bat(just like Damon’s)would play up in our stadium. He’ll never hit 30homers but he doesn’t have to. The doubles and triples and stolen bases would be just fine in the 2 hole for us…
and correction he’s averaged about 85 strikeouts per season for his career so he doesn’t k alot. He’d prob hit 18-22 hrs a year inour lineup in front of Tex and Arod and according to metrics he was the best defensive lf’er in the game
Congratulations to Mariano Rivera for winning the Saliva Award!!!
(awarded by the Rivera Truther Society)
Angel Berroa wins the Silver Dollar Award
How did Bay get Silver Slugger? Seriously. Is that a joke or some idea that they should help boost his earnings in FA this year?
Matsui wins at DH????
“Man Matt Kemp is the next great ballplayer….I remember last winter so many here were down on him….Mostly because not many had seen him or really heard of him…..He is still learning how to play baseball…..”
Not me… I’d still gladly trade Cano for him.
That’s always been my position (in the fantasty trade scenario) – not because I think Cano isn’t good, but because I KNOW how great Kemp will be.
Hot Stove show is on YES…
Chris Young is only what 27 so the point is he may still be able to find it and Arizona would probably move him just to move on figuring wirh BJ in CF and Justin in RF they may be set there for the next 10yrs with the Upton Brothers and that Justin would motivate BJ back to what he was 2yrs ago
Lastly, Kenny Williams for the Silver GM Award, for giving us Nick Swisher for Wilson Betemit
Forget Silver, Johnny Damon wins the Golden Calf award!!!
Congratulations to Joe Nathan, Brian Fuentes, and Brad Lidge for winning the Silver Platter Award!!!
IF Hughes is approaching his innings limit in let’s say August then sending him to SWB does no good because he’d still go over his limit…if the Yanks are looking to defend their title in October then your 5th starter won’t start but will pitch out of the pen…so no matter how you cut it if everything goes as planned he will end up in the ‘pen because CC,Joba,AJ and Pett are all pitching well and are your top 4 postseason starters…
Pat M.
November 12th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Man Matt Kemp is the next great ballplayer….I remember last winter so many here were down on him….Mostly because not many had seen him or really heard of him…..He is still learning how to play baseball…..
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Well Pat, according to the popular LoHud logic today if you strike out a lot guys like David DeJesus are more valuable
“How did Bay get Silver Slugger? Seriously. Is that a joke or some idea that they should help boost his earnings in FA this year?”
I’m no fan of Jason Bay, but who else should have won it for AL left field?
Also, MLB.com is saying this is Pujols 3rd SS. How is that even possible? I thought he had won it just about every year.
Congratulations to Jimmy Rollins for winning the Silver Foot-In-Mouth award!!!
Vin, You do remember last winters nonsense about Matt Kemp…..
lgy
although I do not usually agree with anything ESPN has to offer, Keith Law made the case that Curtis Granderson is nothing more than a platoon player that should only face RHP, and be sat against LHP. 26 million over 3 years is an awful lot to pay what amounts to a platoon player.
If Granderson hit 30HR’s in a down year, I’ll take his lefty bat in the new stadium any day over Johnny Damon. He might hit 35-40 HR’s from the leadoff spot.
Granted, Melky would have to move to LF since Granderson is a GG caliber CF’r, but nevertheless, assuming Melky stays in the lineup from last year, Granderson’s bat would be replacing Damon’s. That’s a switcheroo I’m willing to make. Weren’t people worried about losing Damon as a power lefty?
Overall, Granderson’s more powerful, younger, faster and a much better defensive outfielder than Damon and he is signed to a reasonable contract.
Granderson upgrades the D in CF and Melky upgrades the D in LF.
I also hope Cashman targets Ryan Doumit as a buy low player still in his prime, similar to the Swisher acquisition and Granderson rumored deal in that regard.
Helton had a stranglehold on Silver Slugger for a few years and I think Howard won it his first year.
and correction he’s averaged about 85 strikeouts per season for his career so he doesn’t k alot. He’d prob hit 18-22 hrs a year inour lineup in front of Tex and Arod and according to metrics he was the best defensive lf’er in the game
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You are factoring in his first season where he played only 63 games and 2008 where he played only 109 games.
This year he struck out 99 times in 156 games, last year he was on pace for 90-95 SO, and in 2007 he SO 112 times in 143 games. His strikes are not brutal, but he is a 100 SO a year type of guy.
Congratulations to Ryan Howard for winning the Silver Swiffer Award!!!
Pitcher Silver Slugger- Zambrano
DH Silver Slugger- Lind
Congratulations to Tim Lincecum for winning the Silver Spliffer Award!
CR9
November 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
lgy
although I do not usually agree with anything ESPN has to offer, Keith Law made the case that Curtis Granderson is nothing more than a platoon player that should only face RHP, and be sat against LHP. 26 million over 3 years is an awful lot to pay what amounts to a platoon player.
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I have never claimed that Granderson is perfect and his struggles vs LHP are significant. However, how many lefties do you really have to sit him against? Lester is the only one who I would say Curtis would absolutely need the day off. No team is bringing in their lefty specialist to face Granderson with Jetes in front of him and Tex and Arod behind him, so I am not worried about that late in the game.
Also, he provides a ton of value on defense. His salary averages to 8.5 million over the next 3 years. Is that really a lot for a guy who can hit 35-40 HR, 25 doubles, 20 SB and is one of the best defensive CF in the game?
Sure, Granderson can’t hit lefties. That’s why you have pinch hitters. I think bringing back a guy like Nady to PH makes sense in this regard. He mashes lefties.
Jeter goes Hollywood!
http://www.thefrisky.com/post/.....-baseball/
Also, Granderson’s numbers get hurt playing in Detroit. He has REALLY good numbers on the road and YS would be a perfect park for him
Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but apparently John Wetteland attempted suicide.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....eport.html
Jeter and Tex silver sluggers
Jeter and Tex silver sluggers
pat
November 12th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Jeter goes Hollywood!
http://www.thefrisky.com/post/…..-baseball/
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LOL Must see this movie…
So many here are finding reasons for not obtaing Curtis Granderson….Besides being an All-Star Centerfielder, this guy is just about ready to peak…Put him in the Yankee lineup and watch out……He also immediatley makes the Yankee outfield good if they keep Melky and move him to a corner ( RF / STRONG ARM ) & move Swisher to leftfield…..The Yanks outfield was not even average guys…….lets go yankees, we agree on something ……finally, it must be the new name
Erin November 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
pat
November 12th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Jeter goes Hollywood!
http://www.thefrisky.com/post/…..-baseball/
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LOL Must see this movie…
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Ahaha wow. He still looks good ( its the smile
Very sad about Wetteland. Hope he gets the help he needs.
He seemed so surprised and emotional with the reception he got from the NY fans this summer when he came to visit with the Mariners that it stuck with me.
NYY626
November 12th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Ahaha wow. He still looks good ( its the smile
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I know. That smile gets me EVERY time.
Congratulations to Jose Molina for winning the Silver Slug Award!
The only question is what the Tiger’s opening demands are for Granderson…
I have no earthly idea but I would think they want Austin Jackson (as speculated by the Post), Ian Kennedy (since Cashman said everyone is inquiring about him at the GM meetings while at the same time Cashman was seen to be in closed talks with Dombrowski at those same meetings) and a throw-in.
The pricetag on Granderson must be high because he does have all-star upside and he’s in his prime.
His lefty splits would be one thing that should (theoretically at least) keep the Tiger’s demands within reason.
To me, the outright denial or opposition to getting Granderson is nothing more than the sentimentality of fans wanting to keep Johnny Damon. I understand the attachment because Damon is a stand-up guy, but Granderson is clearly the better choice for the Yankees right now and long into the future.
The fact is, we need to get younger, more athletic, better defensively and do it while increasing payroll flexibility. If Cashman can accomplish this feat without losing too much production than a Granderson acquisition would be a solid, savvy move. If Granderson rebounds from an off year, it could be a coup of Swisherlicious proportions.
vin, you might have crossed the line with that one… I fear for your health!
(but I laughed)
Pat M.
November 12th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
So many here are finding reasons for not obtaing Curtis Granderson….Besides being an All-Star Centerfielder, this guy is just about ready to peak…Put him in the Yankee lineup and watch out……He also immediatley makes the Yankee outfield good if they keep Melky and move him to a corner ( RF / STRONG ARM ) & move Swisher to leftfield…..The Yanks outfield was not even average guys…….lets go yankees, we agree on something ……finally, it must be the new name
This is the only trade rumor in recent history to open my eyes. He’s a good guy too. He’s not a Soriano clone is he? 8Robi 9Melky 1Grandy – could be feast or famine.
I totally forgot about the YES show – who was on it and anything interesting said? Thanks!
“Ahaha wow. He still looks good ( its the smile”
Be honest. If he wasn’t the SS for the NY Yankees and looked like that, you’d move if he sat next to you on the subway.
Is Ajax, IPK, Robertson for Granderson Fair?
too much?
Putting a wig and a big coat on someone doesn’t make them look like a pariah
Wow, that is sad news. I hope Wetteland gets the help he needs – I can’t imagine being in such a state where I feel the only recourse is to commit suicide. Mo has said that Wetteland was his mentor and his idol, that John taught him how to be a professional.
“So many here are finding reasons for not obtaing Curtis Granderson….Besides being an All-Star Centerfielder, this guy is just about ready to peak…Put him in the Yankee lineup and watch out……He also immediatley makes the Yankee outfield good if they keep Melky and move him to a corner ( RF / STRONG ARM ) & move Swisher to leftfield…..The Yanks outfield was not even average guys…….lets go yankees, we agree on something ……finally, it must be the new name”
I’d definitely take Granderson if the price is right. However, I’d be in favor of giving it another shot with Damon and Melky.
Although Melky’s numbers don’t jump out at you, he really made some nice strides this year. He improved a great deal batting right handed. His strikeout % was down, his walk and extra base hit rates were up, and he saw more pitches per plate appearance than ever.
After a couple of stale years, he’s starting to trend upward. Will he be as good a ballplayer as Granderson? Probably not. But I’d be open to starting the year with him in CF, Damon in LF (on a short term deal). Save some money for the big 2010 FA class.
That’s way too much – I wouldn’t do it.
AJ gets the Silver Platter award for being the best baker in the majors.
On Hot Stove – the reservation they had about going for Granderson was using the trade chips they may need to get Roy Halladay.
Way up in the thread, I posted the Detroit point of view on Granderson. The guy they mentioned to open trade talks? Robertson.
Wettland never attempted suicide. He asked for help.
“Is Ajax, IPK, Robertson for Granderson Fair?
too much?”
I think too much. Cashman mentioned that IPK seems to be returning to his status as a legitimate prospect based on other teams’ interest in him. Robertson has already proved that he can get outs in the big leagues – that’s valuable.
I think 2 of those 3 would be fair for Curtis.
How about taking on Dontrelle Willis’ ugly contract along with Curtis and giving them a much weaker package?
Uncle E-
Too much with Robertson thrown in.
If the Yankees were willing to take on an onerous contract, Granderson would be ours for much less. Players such as:
Gerald Laird
Carlos Guillen
Magglio ordonez
Nate Robertson
Or if they want to make a blockbuster trade talk about both Granderson and Edwin Jackson.
Granderson was actually decent against lefties in 2008. Long working with him would be a big help.
Also doubt he would bat second in the lineup.
Thoughts??
Trade for granderson
jennifer
November 12th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Wettland never attempted suicide. He asked for help.
Thank You there is a difference
Also on YES Hot Stove, question was asked are Hughes and Joba in the rotation next season. Answer by Mark Feinsand was Hughes definitely and Joba 50/50 because he thinks Joba opened eyes of other teams during the playoffs who might want him as a reliever.
Tyler Kepner thinks it would be very exciting to have Joba and Phil in the rotation next season.
Neither thinks Granderson is necessary. Both think that Cashman and the Yankees have made a decision that pitching is the name of the game and if they are going to “spend” prospects, it will be for Halladay.
Kepner said Ajax needs more seasoning and it would be a mistake to rush him.
Feinsand seemed to think Damon would get it done with the Yankees.
I must have missed the talk about Matsui. I tuned in a few minutes late.
I think I might give up IPK before Robertson
Am I crazy?
lgy
i see what you are saying. he is ONLY 28 years old….
but, you make it out to be that teams do not face LHP that much and the only won he would not be able to handle is Lester. Of his 630 ABs last year, around 25% of them were against lefties (180 ABs). His OBP was 245 and his OPS was 484. 25 percent of a season is a lot.
That is just terrible, and how many of those ABs came against Lester.
How many great lefties are in the AL besides CC and Lester, and how many of his ABs were against “very good” or “great” lefties.
“He’s not a Soriano clone is he? 8Robi 9Melky 1Grandy – could be feast or famine.”
Don’t worry, Jeter will be leading off. Let Granderson be more of a run producer.
“Wettland never attempted suicide. He asked for help.”
“Thank You there is a difference”
Yes, there is. Perhaps the reporter who put the headline “Former Yankee Closer attempts suicide” should look that up.
Nick in SF
November 12th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Bantering with a cranky commenter can be hazardous to one’s health.
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Consider yourself quite fortunate there was no hissing
Well, there probably would have been but I was still in my office where they have gone quite Gestapo on internet usage.
The Yankees have a lot of options to replace Damon or Matsui, but not so many to find another lefty starter if Pettitte doesn’t return.
They could trade for Granderson, move him to center, trade for DeJesus from Royals to play left[13 assists, no errors]
sign FA righty Marlon Byrd [20 homers, 89RBI's], all possible options if Damon won’t return for what the Yankees will offer.
“Don’t worry, Jeter will be leading off. Let Granderson be more of a run producer.”
I still have nightmares about Soriano
austinmac
November 12th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Erica is cranky. Can someone say something positive about Damon returning?
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Aww- thank you.
For all the nightmares Soriano provided us with, with his swinging at pitches in the dirt, he did have what should have been the WS winning HR in 2001 off Skirt Schilling.
Erin
November 12th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Erica-do you need a visit from Super Grover?
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YES!!!!!! I was so sad when I left work tonight, that when I stopped at Target on the way home to buy myself a bunch of needed stuff- I played with the Sesame Street toys
“I still have nightmares about Soriano”
Don’t we all.
Just remember… he got us ARod (which has finally proven to be a good thing).
Nick in SF
November 12th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Forget Silver, Johnny Damon wins the Golden Calf award!!!
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“Answer by Mark Feinsand was Hughes definitely and Joba 50/50 because he thinks Joba opened eyes of other teams during the playoffs who might want him as a reliever.”
Joba as a starter 221.2 era with a 4.18 era.
Hughes as a starter 141.1 era with a 5.22 era.
Joba so far as been the much better major league starter. Dont understand the logic that Hughes is defintely in the rotation next year and Joba is not. Anyway with those numbers Joba is on his way of earning an 80 million dollar contract as a starter like AJ Burnett.
Uncle E-
Kennedy rather than Robertson, Rather would like to keep Ajax and give up Gardner, and let them have Humberto Sanchez back!!!! Of course that won’t seal the deal, unless maybe they on DH Switch hitter Carlos Guillen to DH.
I really do not understand the Soriano and Granderson comparisons. The only thing similar about them is the Ks? For those comparing them, how are they similar players?
Also two more points to add in case it got lost in all the Granderson arguments shuffle. I would not trade Hughes, Joba, or Montero for him. Those would be the only untouchables. I would center a deal around AJAX in a second. Also Granderson only makes 5.5 million next year so he would actually be one of the cheapest options going into next season.
lets go yankees (formerly lets go twins)
November 12th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
I really do not understand the Soriano and Granderson comparisons. The only thing similar about them is the Ks? For those comparing them, how are they similar players?
That’s as far as I got that’s why I asked in a round about way if he had bad plate disiplne.
I’ve been enjoying them for the most part not swinging at garbage.
oh but the speed/power combo makes them similar too
austinmac
November 12th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Erica is cranky. Can someone say something positive about Damon returning?
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Did he ever reply to your e-mail to entice him to return and leave the evil, bombastic, egomaniacal Boras out of the equation?
Roberto Clemente Award, Hank Aaron Award, Gold Glove Award, and a Silver Slugger Award. It’s a good thing Jeter is building that big house in Tampa. He’s going to need a lot of space for all this hardware.
“HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS”
Yeah, I’m going to use my Get-Out-Of-Hissss-Free card now, thanks.
Yankee Trader
November 12th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
austinmac
November 12th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Erica is cranky. Can someone say something positive about Damon returning?
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Did he ever reply to your e-mail to entice him to return and leave the evil, bombastic, egomaniacal Boras out of the equation?
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No. But thats part of the beauty of my pretend relationship with Johnny Damon. I can yell, scream and be really mean and he never says a peep back. Advantage pretend relationship over real ones.
This Joel Sherman article on Granderson has probably already been posted, but for those of you who haven’t seen i, it’s a good read.
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....BAPI94rtSK
Nick in SF
November 12th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
“HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS”
Yeah, I’m going to use my Get-Out-Of-Hissss-Free card now, thanks.
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Good idea
Doreen, thanks! I will catch the replay later. Who was on the show – Jack Curry and Tyler Kepner?
Mediots really need to forget about Halladay. The Yankees are not giving up Phil or Joba plus Jackson and a bunch of other top prospects for Doc. Even if the Jays don’t ask for that much, the Yankees are still not trading Phil or Joba…….Doc is out.
He even comes with his own belt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....eature=fvw
That’s as far as I got that’s why I asked in a round about way if he had bad plate disiplne.
I’ve been enjoying them for the most part not swinging at garbage.
oh but the speed/power combo makes them similar too
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Granderson in his career has seen 4.06 pitches per plate appearance. That is more than everyone on the Yankees except for Swisher. He also walks 70 times a year.
Granderson is a free swinger he strikes out a lot he will chase pitches. I dont really like him as much as some people do.
Yankees this year were first in homeruns and obp and second to last in strikeouts in the american league. That is deadly combination.
“For those comparing them, how are they similar players?”
They’re skinny, fast, strikeout a bunch, and have some power. It’s not a terribly good comparison.
I actually think Damon is more comparable. Soriano is a slugger in a featherweight’s body.
Johnny’s HR/FB (fly ball) jumped this year to 10.4% (highest of his career). Career avg. is 6.3%
Curtis’ HR/FB percentage this year was 10.8%. Career avg. of 9.5%. He would be better served by playing in Yankee Stadium (like Damon) than anywhere else. It would probably turn him into more of a run producer, than rally starter, but I’m definitely OK with that.
I played golf in a few local golf tourney’s with Wettland when he was with the Dodgers…Good guy………I would love to have Curtis in CF….Also if Damon wants 10 million a season, is he really even close to being a 2x better option…..This is not even an arguement guys……The Yanks need a quality CF like Granderson…..Inthe Yanks lineup and in Yankee Stadium his numbers would skyrocket……..I can only hope that this could happen
Doreen, thanks!
I agree with Kepner…….having two potential studs in the rotation is exciting.
AJax is very young and very raw – the kid needs time and the Yankees will give it to him. He doesn’t need to be an all-star, by the way; if he turns out to be a good, solid ball-player, that is good enough by far. If you have enough of those players, then you are in good shape.
I do disagree with those fellas, though. The Yankees can not go into the season with no DH or LFer, lol. They can not just concentrate on pitching – they need to plan for next year and the future with regards to their OF.
Erica, there was a picture of the Count in the new TV Guide! I loved the Count……..very cool character.
Granderson in his career has seen 4.06 pitches per plate appearance. That is more than everyone on the Yankees except for Swisher. He also walks 70 times a year.
I’ll by that for a dollar!
Only a handful of teams would be in on a trade for Halladay, most notably the Red Sox. He makes them 7-8 games better and a play-off danger. I bet we would trade one of our big chips for him, if not two.
http://dlisted.com/node/34806
Wow so this Jeter thing is all over the internet. They are filming this 10 minutes from my house…I should have stayed home from work today!
We didn’t do it last year, why would we do it this year? No way Joba or Phil get traded……..
Different GM in Toronto, different price tag, different needs in 2010… Different ending?
Only time will tell.
“Man Matt Kemp is the next great ballplayer….I remember last winter so many here were down on him….”
I remember those discussions well. That was really one of those times here when Lohud was like bizzaro land. Up is down, down is up… Matt Kemp stinks…. That line of “argument” was just hard to believe.
It wasn’t only that people were arguing that they wouldn’t trade Cano for Kemp… they were arguing that they wouldn’t trade Cano for Kemp because Kemp wasn’t good and they didn’t want him on the Yankees. Just bizarre.
I don’t know how you can’t watch Matt Kemp play for a game and not see superstar falling out of his pockets.
His bat speed is mind boggling. Just outrageous. You watch the guy swing at a few pitches and that bat speed smacks you in the face.
And for a man that large to be that athletic… forget it.
What a phenomenal year he had – not just offensively but defensively.
Those trade rumors last year about Cano for Kemp were nonsense because even if you value Cano as an all star 2nd baseman he wasn’t close to being enough for Kemp. But man oh man would I love to see him play in the Bronx.
I used to think there was a fair gap between Justin Upton and Kemp as the two most talented young outfielders in the game. Watching Kemp play this year – that gap isn’t as big as I thought it was.
Kemp is an outrageous talent. Can’t believe people were ragging on him last year…
will Hollywood ruin Derek Jeter? Next on EXTRA! (or ESPN same difference)
Betsy -
You’re welcome. it was Mark Feinsand and Tyler Kepner. They were actually pretty good.
True enough, Nick……
We’ll still get our fill of AJ, CC and Swish, lol
http://www.nydailynews.com/ent.....Yankees%29
Cashman is right on. If he’s trading anyone it will be for Halladay not Granderson.
Joba and Justin were on Man V. Food last night.
CB, It’s always a good thing when you’re here….If this Granderson thing was to occur, how much improvement would he add to the club being the CF & moving Melky to right and Swisher to left…..The age factor vs. a declining Damon and with the $$$ difference as well……And are you in favor of Granderson coming to the Bronx ???? He’s cost friendly, he’s younger & he’s very atheltic, everything that Cashman has been preaching………..And yeah, Kemp is the real deal…..Torre saw him in the spring on 08 and said you’re my CF’er……Learn on the job
I do not advocate a trade for Doc since I don’t know what the price tag would be, but… the body count in the River Charles would be enormous if such a trade were to occur. Acquiring Doc while keeping him away from the Redsocks would be a brutal twofer blow…
Mike, Cashman never said that….
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Joba and Justin were on Man V. Food last night.
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I’ve never watched that show in my life and I happened to flip in on last night. Joba was cute…
I do not advocate a trade for Doc since I don’t know what the price tag would be…
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Well from what the reports that have been coming out the past few days, the speculation is that it will still be a high price tag but lower than what was expected during the season.
I read this as it being a starting point of Joba or Hughes (plus prospects) situation as oppose to a starting point of Joba and Hughes situation which may have been the case in this past summer
Couldn’t the Yankees acquire CG and still sign Damon? I guess not – that might preclude them from signing Matsui. It’s hard to know what they might do as we don’t know what the Yankees budget is…..
I would take Albaladejo off the 40 man.
Is Ellsbury any better than Gardner or Melky?
Do the Abreu and Hudson contracts make anyone else wonder if spending will increase this winter?
If the blue jays would do a Halladay deal for Joba and lower level prospects then I couldn’t say yes fast enough.
Josh, can you clarify what you mean? If it starts with Joba or Phil, it’s not happening……that’s the same situation that occurred last year. The Jays apparently don’t even like Joba, they prefer Phil………and I don’t see any way Cash does that
“I’ve never watched that show in my life and I happened to flip in on last night. Joba was cute…”
did you see the beginning? the pizza and roast beef sandwiches looked so good.
Granderson likes the taste of Giraffe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1
Tell me he wouldn’t be a great Yankee.
Kemp is a stud but I don’t see any way he ends up in pinstripes, that would be awesome though.
Just keep in mind if Doc Halladay is made available within the AL East, the price could very well be higher than it was last summer because there could be (will be?) a bidding war between Boston & NY
“Do the Abreu and Hudson contracts make anyone else wonder if spending will increase this winter?”
I was also thinking that.
Increased spending should help the Yanks, but its not like they’re vying for free agents against other teams.
I see them returning Andy, JD, and Matsui and saving their money for next year’s Free Agency-palooza.
Pat M.,
I like Granderson quite a bit. CF is just such a hard position to get a stick at. A team can go a long time flailing in deep water out there between RF and LF.
Granderson has power, is patient at the plate, and has a nice glove. Fast but really not a great base runner.
All that said, I am a bit cautious on his game for two reasons.
First, in trading for Granderson I think there’s a real argument to make for a conservative valuation. And by that I mean you really have to think long and hard about valuing him as a platoon player.
He really can’t hit left handed pitching. He takes brutal hacks against lefties. And he’s 29.
Now he could get better, especially if he cuts down on his swing and changes his approach. But that a big unknown and there’s significant risk there.
Second, his overall game has taken a step back the past couple of years. And last year he really did look off.
However, I do think playing with the Yankees in that stadium and in that deep line up would do a world of good for Curtis.
That stadium in Detroit really does kill him. It just eats up lefty hitters there.
So it’s definitely something that Yankees need to extensively explore. But with him there are real risks and it really is going to get down to how much it costs in talent.
Betsy
November 12th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Couldn’t the Yankees acquire CG and still sign Damon? I guess not – that might preclude them from signing Matsui. It’s hard to know what they might do as we don’t know what the Yankees budget is…..
if Melkman is part of the trade possibly.
This talk – if nothing else- lights a fire under Boras ( assuming the Yanks enter talks with Detroit
Uncle, I think what it should do is light a fire under Damon……..he’s Boras’ boss and he’s the one who makes decisions. Frankly, I’m torn. I’m trying to think about our future in addition to 2010. Johnny really struggled for much of the 2nd half, but he’s a very good offensive player and he’s clutch. He’s also old……..and when do we start getting younger? Same goes for Matsui……..I’m getting a headache thinking about this; it’s exciting and nervewracking and sad at the same time.
Ross
November 12th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
The draft is such a crapshoot anyway. More than any other sport, you can’t predict who’s going to excel in the majors and who isn’t. It’s not like football where a guy who can run a 4.2 40 is probably going to have a future somewhere. Wasn’t Joba taken in like the 26th round or something like that? I’m sure guys in the 1st or 2nd round have a better chance of making it to the Bigs, but it seems you can find plenty of diamonds in the rough every year.
Also, I think Granderson would cost a fortune and probably isn’t worth it. A great player, but he’s been homer happy and strikes out way too much. We have enough of those guys.
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I agree with everything my namesake said!
Betsy
November 12th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Uncle, I think what it should do is light a fire under Damon……..he’s Boras’ boss and he’s the one who makes decisions. Frankly, I’m torn. I’m trying to think about our future in addition to 2010. Johnny really struggled for much of the 2nd half, but he’s a very good offensive player and he’s clutch. He’s also old……..and when do we start getting younger? Same goes for Matsui……..I’m getting a headache thinking about this; it’s exciting and nervewracking and sad at the same time.
Many share your concerns.
It will be fine – Whatever happens – they are the Yankees!
vin
November 12th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
“Man Matt Kemp is the next great ballplayer….I remember last winter so many here were down on him….Mostly because not many had seen him or really heard of him…..He is still learning how to play baseball…..”
Not me… I’d still gladly trade Cano for him.
That’s always been my position (in the fantasty trade scenario) – not because I think Cano isn’t good, but because I KNOW how great Kemp will be.
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cano cant get kemp straight up when at one time he could
gb thought i was nuts for wanting to trade cano for kemp & now cano is nowhere near as good
if we did do the trade we would of found a 2nd baseman by now & we probably have the best cf in the game under our control for more than 10 years for a reasonable amount of money
there is not 1 thing cano does better than kemp
Uncle Ellsworth (much ado about nothing) November 12th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
“I’ve never watched that show in my life and I happened to flip in on last night. Joba was cute…”
did you see the beginning? the pizza and roast beef sandwiches looked so good.
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Spumoni Gardens/L&B has amazing pizza! And the roast beef they were showing is from a place about 5 mins away from my house. I don’t like roast beef but my family loves it there.
One other thing on Granderson. That Detroit offense was so bad this year because their veteran bats just deteriorated so quickly that Granderson seemed to be trying to do too much at the plate to expand his role within the offense.
He has power but that’s just never going to be his game – especially in that ball park.
He hit a career high in home runs but I think it probably cost him at the plate.
In a deeper line up I could see him getting back to his natural game and becoming a more productive player again.
The Yankees probably aren’t going to re-sign both Damon and Matsui.
I think the yanks can free up enough spots on there 40 man without letting a young player they like go. Molina, Edwar, Duncan, Garcia, Albaledejo and Hairston (you dont really need to resign him with Ramiro Pena on the team) all can be off the 40 man.
Pat M – it was very nice to read your take on Edwin Jackson and Curtis Granderson. The last half season Jackson did sag a bit, and I was wondering if he might be hurt. I’d love to believe it was because of fatigue, never having gone that many innings before. If so, he would be a tremendous addition, and at relatively low cost, for the Yanks.
I’ve long been a fan of fellow U. of I. (Chicago Circle) Granderson. I have to rely on the opinion of others that he would prosper in the new Stadium, as far as his lefthandedness goes. He would give the Yanks a great cushion in the OF as they wait to see what happens with AJax.
the guy hit .275/28hr vs righties, .183/2hr vs lefties.
he’s a platoon player. trading ajax would be a big, big mistake
“cano cant get kemp straight up when at one time he could”
Cano could never get kemp straight up. Never. No chance.
The only place Cano could have ever gotten Matt Kemp straight up is in the yankee blogosphere.
Nowhere in reality could Cano have ever gotten Kemp straight up.
I would keep Christian Garcia if the medical reports are good.
I read where some are suggesting David Robertson as part of a deal for Jackson/Granderson. Personally, I wouldn’t care for that, as I think Robertson is going to blossom as a terrific pitcher, possibly the answer to the eternal 8th inning question.
“Spumoni Gardens/L&B has amazing pizza! And the roast beef they were showing is from a place about 5 mins away from my house. I don’t like roast beef but my family loves it there.”
me want to go there!
CB, I just look at this in the same light as the Roberto Kelly for Paul O’Neill trade…..Johnny Damon is certainly on the downward slide….His 09 numbers are not telling the whole truth…….He has never looked worse in chasing off speed pitches, & he’s a liability defensively……He’s also what 7 years older than urtis ???? Signing him for 2 more years is less attractive to me the more I think of it……Matsui for 2 years I’m alright with simply for the fact that he still has great bat speed, and flat out can still stick it…..Besides he doesn’t leave Alex naked……
One thing we should take into account is this: how will Granderson age? Some guys have bad bodies that you just know will age badly…..I’m really not familiar with Granderson at all, but 29 is not young. It’s not old but it’s on the precipice and I would be careful about trading too many of our good young prospects for him (or any veteran). AJax and Montero are our only good position prospects at all close to the majors. Montero isn’t going anywhere, but if the Yankees like AJax (and it sounds like they do, despite the scouts reports), then I would be hesitant to trade him.
Think of it this way – the Tigers are selling low on Granderson. It may not take all that much to get him.
Though Damon had a good post-season, he really struggled most of September.
Betsy, At least all these discussion come with the World Champs label
GUys correct me if I’m wrong but people don’t project Ajax to be as good as Granderson – do they?
Higher avg maybe?
Christian Garcia – forget him. The guy can not stay healthy. In fact, the Yankees need to reevaluate their scouting system – enough of drafting these injury prone guys. Seriously – I understand that they are at a disadvantage having to draft so low and so they take risks on talented players that have questions, but how many of their pitchers needed TJ surgery this year? Marshall? That was a great pick – barely pitched this year and he’s injured. Kontos as well…..Betances. That’s ridiculous…..
Can Melky be the next Juan Rivera?
joba,ajax,kennedy,ace for verlander & granderson
Joe from LI -
I did some googling and found a Detroit point of view of the Tigers possibly trading Granderson. (Link is at the top of this thread)
They listed his pros and cons and then went through some team matchups. The section on the Yankees specifically mentioned Robertson as a player the Tigers would look for in return. He was the only player mentioned.
Now, I don’t want to give up Robertson for Granderson. It was very eye opening, though. I guess Robertson has “arrived.”
LOL Pat M, and I am relishing that label (as is Cash, apparently, lol). I do enjoy Hot Stove actually – except when our rivals make big deals and I get upset. The part of baseball that upsets me is that it’s a business and we can’t keep all the players we want to. I’m very sentimental. In the case of this team, it does give me warm fuzzies to know that, wherever the players disperse to, they will always have a bond. This was such a special team – I don’t want to let it go. I’m watching Yankees magazines, tributes to the team on You Tube (my word, this was a fun team………)……I wish it could never end.
LOL Pat M, and I am relishing that label (as is Cash, apparently, lol). I do enjoy Hot Stove actually – except when our rivals make big deals and I get upset. The part of baseball that upsets me is that it’s a business and we can’t keep all the players we want to. I’m very sentimental. In the case of this team, it does give me warm fuzzies to know that, wherever the players disperse to, they will always have a bond. This was such a special team – I don’t want to let it go. I’m watching Yankees magazines, tributes to the team on You Tube (my word, this was a fun team………)……I wish it could never end.
If the Tigers insist on Robertson, they can forget it..
Garcia can still be a power arm in the pen. I have no problem drafting players with injury issues in the later rounds.
Melky probably will never have Juan Rivera’s power.
Verlander would cost more than Halladay. He’s younger and cheaper.
This was a Detroit publication. They were speculating that the Tigers would want Robertson. I don’t believe there have been any definitive talks – no demands for any particular players – as yet.
“I just look at this in the same light as the Roberto Kelly for Paul O’Neill trade….”
Yankee fans are forever comparing potential trade targets to Paul O’Neil but with Granderson we have just about the best comparison to O’Neil that I can think of in a long time.
I remember when they got O’Neil. I liked the trade and was happy to get rid of kelly. But I did think they were trading for a guy who would wind up being platooned. Was quite glad to be wrong and hope I’d be wrong again with Granderson.
I could see Curtis really blossoming here in NY. And if he performs NY would absolutely fall in love with him.
Pat as you know I’m concerned about the offense. Curtis could help enormously. No doubt about it.
But it just depends on the cost with him because there is real risk.
Remember – part of what made acquiring O’Neil so a terrific move was that it only cost Roberto Kelly.
I think Im going to Spring Training this year first weekend in March
Greatest yankee of all time signs with another team.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
Uncle E -
Is the spring training schedule out yet? We’re going to FLA in mid-March and was hoping we could catch a game (probably not in Tampa, but possibly a road game).
I have concerns about Granderson’s declining defense.
Roberto Kelly was one of my favorite players and I was sad to see him go…….but man, Paulie – what a trade.
Uncle Ellsworth, I went a few years ago and had a blast. I wouldn’t mind going to meet some of my favorites…of course, I would probably faint before saying a word, lol
I wouldn’t trade Kennedy for Granderson. The yanks used 9 different starters if you include Aceves one start this year. Having starting depth is too important a starter usual gets hurt. Kennedy will make an impact on the team next year even if he starts the year in scranton.
Uncle Ellsworth, I went a few years ago and had a blast. I wouldn’t mind going to meet some of my favorites…of course, I would probably faint before saying a word, lol
I didn’t Know I was one of your favorites!
Doreen Schedule is out – so I’m told
Betsy- We have to wait till Feb for that show.
By than they’ll be back in Tampa for ST. I hope i’ll remember the show is on.
There were too many Kellys on the team back then something had to give.
hey, all! i’ve missed this blog…haven’t had much time to visit since the end of the season. really sad about wetteland…
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November 12th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
I wouldn’t trade Kennedy for Granderson. The yanks used 9 different starters if you include Aceves one start this year. Having starting depth is too important a starter usual gets hurt. Kennedy will make an impact on the team next year even if he starts the year in scranton.
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or he could stink
nobody knows
that is why trading prospects is so hard
if it was that easy we have an allstar at every position & a very low payroll
Here’s one of the issues the Front Office has to be concerning themselves about in resigning Johnny Damon….Can he still be productive for thoose 2 years as Jackson should be ready to take Damon’s corner OF spot…I just see Damon really in fade mode…..The club’s outfield situation was not good & it’s certainly not going to improve…The question is, how bad will it be if you resign Damon…….Adding Granderson & resigning Matsui is an immediate improvement defensively & Mats still protects Alex…….Then Cashamn can move on to secure a # 2 type starter……Are you really good with a rotation of CC, AJ, Andy, Joba & Hughes…..I see it as a gamble…..
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Josh, can you clarify what you mean? If it starts with Joba or Phil, it’s not happening……that’s the same situation that occurred last year. The Jays apparently don’t even like Joba, they prefer Phil………and I don’t see any way Cash does that
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I differ from you as far as your opinion of Joba and Phil being untradeable but almost everything I’ve heard on this situation whether it be from blogs or on talk radio or even just now on “Hot Stove” seem to indicate that The Yankees don’t obtain Roy Halladay without parting with either Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes.
It’s also (to my understanding) anyhow not the same situation that happened last year if what you are referring to is the Jays-Yankees rumors over the summer. Back then it was written that The Jays wanted basically five times the prospects from The Yankees or Red Sox than they would want from any other team. It is said that the situation is different now and would probably only include The Yankees having to part with either Chamberlain or Hughes as oppose to both.
Finally we have another hater on our hands Yankee fans – Her name is Amanda Bruno. She hopes our players catch swine flu and thinks its unfair if The Yankees obtain Roy Halladay this offseason – What a classy lady:
http://twitter.com/BatterupBruno
“Can Melky be the next Juan Rivera?”
Interesting comparison…
If you compare Melky’s age 24 year (2009) with Rivera’s 25 year (2004 – his first “full season”):
Melky’s ratios per PA
2.4% hr, 10.9% so, 8.0% bb, 7.8% xbh, 77% ip (in play), 21% ld, 7.0% hr/fly ball
Rivera’s ratios
2.8% hr, 10.6% so, 8.0% bb, 8.7% xbh, 78% ip (in play), 20% ld, 7.9% hr/fly ball
Pretty similar numbers. Rivera had a bit more power.
Melky in ’09 saw 3.87 pitches/PA
Rivera in ’04 saw 3.37 pit/pa
In fact, Melky’s worst season in terms of pitches/plate appearance is still better than Rivera’s best season (throwing away both players initial cups of coffee).
Rivera has more power, Melky has more patience. Melky is a much better outfielder (although UZR disagrees).
Rebecca–cool! good 4 you!
# Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus November 12th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
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I read this a little while ago. Good Interview! Congrats!
Didn’t mean to cause confusion about Romulo Sanchez. In the past he’s been eligible but protected. As someone pointed out, that’s true of a lot of players. I just didn’t want to include Sanchez with the first-time guys because he doesn’t really fit that category.
Also, this morning I checked with Mark Newman via email because I also thought Sanchez might be a free agent. Newman’s response: “Sanchez is Rule 5 eligible and poses a
decision we have make.”
Pat M.
Are you really good with a rotation of CC, AJ, Andy, Joba & Hughes…..I see it as a gamble…..
Nope. Thats why i don’t care who plays left field. Its important to land someone like a Lackey. or save the trade chips you would use for Granderson and use them for Halladay instead.
The thing is . We can’t fold and make a trade for Granderson right away. Thats exactly what the Sox are waiting for . The less chips we have for Halladay the better postion the Sox are in to land him.
Rebecca,
Nicely done!! What a great opportunity.
I particularly enjoyed your comments on the new stadium and park factor variation over time.
I don’t think I read anyone in the main stream media bring up that point in as spot on a manner as you did in that interview.
Congrats!
I dont really see Cashman trading Hughes or Chamberlain. He didn’t trade them when the team needed an ace for Johan Santana what makes people think he will trade them now for Halladay coming off a championship?
I’d let Joba and Hughes be the 4th and 5th starter and see what they do. YOu got to give them a shot. If it does become a disastor with them which I dont see. You can trade for a starter at the trade deadline.
And I think Matt Cain will be free agent next year. I would make a run at him next year instead of Halladay because Pettitte will likely be gone.
If the Yankees trade for Granderson(which i hope for) than Robertson is deffinently coming into the deal. it isnt that terrible. He could spot start and work long relief. If not release him. Its worth getting Granderson.
I can see where Granderson would be a good addition to the Yankees. There are pluses and minuses with any player, and it makes it harder when you have players that you like leaving in part because of it.
My reservations come in who would have to be traded to get him, and how the club will be impacted by the loss of Matsui or Damon (or both).
If Halladay is really available, which I do think he is, he would be a better choice for trading the higher end players for. One reason I would really like him on the Yankees, beside the obvious of his own ability, was how well AJ learned from him. Bringing in Doc could help Burnett and the young arms that are still with the Yankees. From the sound of it, it would be a case where an extension would happen, so it isn’t a rental. That is a plus in my mind, as the time lost from the traded players could be made up with wins from Halladay.
Other trade opportunities will come up, many that are not even rumors or thought of.
Thanks guys!
CB: Yeah, well, erm, it was, erm, on my mind
Rebecca, Why am I not surprised !!! After reading your January guest spot here @ The LoHud, I just knew something like this would come about…..Great work and well deserved
“I’d let Joba and Hughes be the 4th and 5th starter and see what they do. YOu got to give them a shot. If it does become a disastor with them which I dont see. You can trade for a starter at the trade deadline.”
You wouldn’t necessarily need to make a trade. They’d still have Aceves and Gaudin who could slide into the rotation. In addition they’d have Kennedy, Nova and probably Mitre in the minors.
Hughes has thrown 192 major league innings. Joba has thrown 281 major league innings.
That’s not an insignificant amount of experience.
Cashman has already indicated that neither joba nor phil will be under any significant innings limit next year.
Neither one should be guaranteed a spot in the rotation. Both should have to compete against other guys who could start. Joba in particular needs to show that he’s in shape and focused.
It’s a risk – but it’s nowhere near the risk it was starting Hughes and Kennedy two years ago.
Bronson Arroyo/ Erick Bedard/ Ben Sheets are all reasonable guys to sign/trade.