Jeter, CC may be ringside tonight
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Nov 14, 2009 
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While there are admittedly less boxing fans now than in years past, anyone who has even a passing interest in the sport knows about the big fight tonight in Las Vegas. Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao is fighting Miguel Cotto on pay-per-view, and celebrities – including several Yankees – are expected to be in attendance.
As you may remember, CC Sabathia is a big boxing fan. When the winter meetings were in Vegas last year, Sabathia attended the Pacquiao vs. Oscar De La Hoya fight in between talking to teams. He could be in the house tonight along with Derek Jeter, who is believed to have also asked for tickets.
I’ve always liked boxing, and some of the most sane conversations I’ve ever had with Gary Sheffield had to do with the sport. Sheff is good friends with several Tampa-area boxers, including Roy Jones Jr. and Winky Wright. Sheff once told me that he, Winky and Jeff Lacy actually went bowling together quite often, and even had shirts made up with their names on them. Seeing those guys in bowling shoes must have been quite a sight.
As for tonight, like most people I’m leery of paying 50 bucks to watch TV, so I’m not totally sure I’ll see the fight live. If you don’t mind the fee and/or find a bar to watch it, you’re in for some action – Pacquiao’s punching speed is blinding. I’ll pick him in an 8th round knockout.
For everyone else, enjoy the rest of your Saturday night.
ufc is way better than boxing
bahahahahahahahaha. UFC is bs.
As david cone would say, boxing is old school.
bru,
I know what the incentives were for. Save all the stuff about him being laid back and not needing incentive. He took that as a slap in the face, when in reality, he was rightly called out by Yankee brass by way of the incentives being offered.
Joe batting Alex 8th in a playoff game, and not removing our players from the field in the Indians series, shows he was not motivated enough to win. He was content to let the players go out and do their jobs, and if the players won, they won, and if they lost, so be it.
After what happened in that year that will not be mentioned, he should have felt pressure from the top. Most managers in the game would have been fired after the disgraceful performances of Games 6 and 7. I understand him being given a long rope because of his past success, but somehow he managed to hang himself with all that rope anyway and in the end, something was definitely needed to kick him in the rear.
I said it at the time, “If being the highest paid manager in the game is not good enough for him, then go manage somewhere else and see if you can win without George’s wallet.”
UFC is a joke. Either it’s a KO in ten seconds or it’s round after round of grabs on the mat.
CR9 – you alluded to it, but not running on the Wake/Tek combo in Game 5 of that series was one of his most egregious errors. Three passed balls and you couldn’t score the guy from first? Pathetic.
The Yankees should go after Ben sheets. The guy had elbow surgery and now seems healthy. The guy was an ace for the Brewers and could make the rotation better.
Also Sheets is still in the prime of his career. He is no Smoltz or Penny.
An incentive heavy contract for Sheets would be a wise investment if his surgery went well. People forget how good he was when healthy.
Sam…pacman in 4…Cotto is going to get rocked
Betsy
November 14th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Erin, I just posted this in the prior thread, but I wanted to be sure you saw it…….I apologize if I made you feel badly last night; that was not my intention at all.
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Betsy-I just got in-I wasn’t ignoring you!! No sweat at all about last night-we’re cool
Erin, good!
Ben sheets stinks
Tomorrow I’m going to see the new Titanic exhibit at the Discovery Times Square store – I can’t wait as I am a huge Titanic buff.
“Sam…pacman in 4…Cotto is going to get rocked”
I think as long as he doesn’t get plastered this time, he’ll take it.
I know the Yankees loved Ben Sheets last year, but his medicals? Not so much. Who knows how healthy he is this year? It’s a good idea to look into this, but there’s no way the Yanks would give him a multi-year deal and he can probably get that from the Rangers or some other team.
interesting article explaining the intricate surgery and well-planned rehab Hideki went through in order to play in 2009:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11.....ref=sports
“they could devote a package of young players toward someone like Adrian Gonzalez.”
From Nick Cafardo
What exactly does Nick Cafardo think the Red Sox have that they can give to SD to get A.G.?
A.G. is of Mexican descent, there is a large number of Mexicans in SD, Gonz. is the face of the SD franchise, their home town boy. I bet Nick Caf. thinks they can give up Kelly, Lars, Westmoreland, Bowden, Federowicz for Gonzalez.
This is the arrogance of Boston fans and the media. That the Red Sox can get whomever they please for whatever they please.
And then people on this blog fight with one another over the Yankees possibly having to send A. Jax to the Tigers for a platoon CF. To be honest, it’s about time that other teams start bowing down in admiration of the World Champion Yankees like they’ve bowed down the past decade to the Genius Red Sox and their Genius GM. I do not see why we could not send Phil Coke to the Tigers to take Granderson’s contract off their hands. Obviously, the above is not plausible, but you get my drift.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11.....f=baseball
No matter what Matsui thinks, he can not play the outfield and still remain a productive hitter. As it is, he had to have his knee drained twice……and he came out of his funk after basically resting the entire inter-league schedule.
CR9
November 14th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
bru,
I know what the incentives were for. Save all the stuff about him being laid back and not needing incentive. He took that as a slap in the face, when in reality, he was rightly called out by Yankee brass by way of the incentives being offered.
Joe batting Alex 8th in a playoff game, and not removing our players from the field in the Indians series, shows he was not motivated enough to win. He was content to let the players go out and do their jobs, and if the players won, they won, and if they lost, so be it.
After what happened in that year that will not be mentioned, he should have felt pressure from the top. Most managers in the game would have been fired after the disgraceful performances of Games 6 and 7. I understand him being given a long rope because of his past success, but somehow he managed to hang himself with all that rope anyway and in the end, something was definitely needed to kick him in the rear.
I said it at the time, “If being the highest paid manager in the game is not good enough for him, then go manage somewhere else and see if you can win without George’s wallet.”
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why did he win all the ws then with no incentives?
why no incentives then & what makes you an expert?
also where is his incentive contract with the dodgers?
i just think that he did not enjoy going to the park anymore
who cares what the reason was
combine that with the stress & it was time to move on
but to say he needed cash incentives to win is bs
is a 4 yr 25 million dollar a year contract going to make damon a better player & did arods contract make him a better one?
i dont think so
jmo
i might be wrong
you on the otherhand think what you say is true when you do not know for sure
if you do not enjoy what you are doing anymore & you have the means to leave knowing you can get another job & or write a book you find a way out.
if you won the lotto & couldnt stand going to work would you go?
“A Minor Review of ‘09: New York Yankees”
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....k-yankees/
bru
I am not portraying to know everything or know what Joe needed. I apologize if it came across that way.
“i just think that he did not enjoy going to the park anymore
who cares what the reason was”
I meant to add that over time, sometimes people lose interest, motivation. If he did not enjoy going to the park, it is likely he lost a bit, even if it is the smallest amount, of motivation to try to win.
I think offering him incentives was the correct way of calling him and his “being unhappy” or “lack of motivation” or whatever out. The Yankees would have looked like fools, even bigger fools than we normally look like or are portrayed, in the media if we accused Joe Torre of needing more motivation.
UFC a joke. Its waaaayyyyy better and more exciting than boxing. In boxing all the fight cards suck except the main event. In UFC all the fight are great. KO in 10 sec? You guys dont watch too much dont you?
“why did he win all the ws then with no incentives?”
Torre became complacent over time. He went from hungry to too full of himself. As George’s presence lessened, Torre’s grew but with no one in management able to hold him accountable. Accountability shifted to the free agents brought in and away from Torre.
Torre had a 7 or 8 year good run followed by a few years of coasting on reputation. It was just time for a change and a new voice.
Ironic that Torre who was more known for managing a clubhouse was followed by Girardi who was thought to be about strategy but was the guy who united a clubhouse.
Torre said he wasn’t having fun anymore but he still wanted to stay. When the fun of the job goes away, that leaves money or ego left to drive you. When the money wasn’t guaranteed, he was gone.
I AM SOOO BORED!!!! I NEED BASEBALL BACK!!!
To be honest, it’s about time that other teams start bowing down in admiration of the World Champion Yankees like they’ve bowed down the past decade to the Genius Red Sox and their Genius GM. I do not see why we could not send Phil Coke to the Tigers to take Granderson’s contract off their hands. Obviously, the above is not plausible, but you get my drift.
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CR9,
I love how the Yankees’ success is causing people to twist themselves into knots.
And I love Cashman’s defiance and stick-it-to-’em stance:
“You can call us anything you want – but you have to call us World Champions.”
No one deserved to extend a middle finger more than Cashman, who has been mocked for a minor league system that none of the critics troubled themselves to learn anything about.
Now, that system is producing arms at all levels, exposing the naysayers for the Theo kiss-butts and Yankee haters they are.
When he was asked about the view that the Yankees’ resources gave them an “unfair” advantage, I was so hoping he would not take the bait.
Needless to say, he exceeded my expectations with that response.
Anybody know anything on how Jeremy Bleich is doing down on the farm?
Tom in N.J.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Anybody know anything on how Jeremy Bleich is doing down on the farm?
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Tom, he’s been up and down, but, mostly down this year. I get a feeling that he’ll be ok, but, if he has elbow surgery in the next season or so, don’t be surprised. If I had to compare his style to anyone, I’d say Andy Pettitte. Before anybody jumps, I said style. He’s got good pitches, but it’s up to him to do something with them.
why did he win all the ws then with no incentives?
why no incentives then & what makes you an expert?
also where is his incentive contract with the dodgers?
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Because when he won world series, he was not making 8 million dollars.
He didn’t have incentives because he was a new manager who happened to be a huge loser in all of his other jobs who came to the yankees for the first time.
Also later down the line he DID have incentives check Cots MLb contracts
# 3 years/$19.2M (2005-07)
* signed extension 4/04
* 05:$6.1M, 06:$6.1M, 07:$7M
* salaries increased to $6.7M (2005-06) & $7.5M (2007)
* $1M in annual performance bonuses
o $0.4M for winning ALCS, $0.6M for winning World Series
* extension also includes 6-year consulting agreement
# 3 years/$16.5M (2002-04)
* 04:$5M
* $1.4M in performance bonuses
o $0.1M each for 90, 94, 98 & 102 victories
o $0.2M for winning ALDS, $0.3M for winning ALCS, $0.5M for winning World Series
# 2 years/$6M (2000-01)
* 00:$3M, 01:$3M
# 3 years/$2.8M (1997-99)
* 97:$0.8M, 98:$1M, 99:$1M
* signed 2/97, reworking final year of previous deal
# 2 years/$1.05M (1996-97)
* 96:$0.5M, 97:$0.55M
* hired 11/95, replacing Buck Showalter
Torre being ‘insulted’ by being the highest paid manager in baseball even BEFORE incentives was disgraceful. Torre is full of it.
I can 100% confirm that CC is in Vegas as i just shook his hand at wynn. He was rolling with a large group (no jeter) and I literally hopped a rope to get out of the restaurant to shake his hand. Amazing. U guys can call BS, and that’s ur choice, but it happened. My wife was literally embarrassed over my exit from the restaurant.
Just read this while watching boxing (not ppv in UK) looked up and there’s Jeter third row from ring. Didn’t recognise anyone else.
I don’t know too much about boxing, but I do favor UFC over it. Especially considering UFC is free tonight, while boxing isn’t!
yeah, they just went throught the stars at ringside and jeter was there along with his “the other guys” co-stars mark wahlberg and will ferrell
God Lawrence Frank sucks
I’d think Jetes would be better than to be caught hanging w/ Wahlberg and Ferrell.
anybody that wants to watch it, it’s on atdhe.net
you do not have to “drop 59.95″ on it like PA either.
Hi folks! My husband and I are so curious to know how much roger the translator makes a year. Anyone know? We couldn’t find it in matsui’s contract…hmmm
Not really. And you can watch it on Ustream too.
Jerkface
November 14th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
He didn’t have incentives because he was a new manager who happened to be a huge loser in all of his other jobs who came to the yankees for the first time.
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The only time that Torre was a “huge loser in all of his other jobs” as a manager was with the late 70′s Mets. John MaGraw wasn’t going to win with that group, especially after they dealt off his starting pitchers within a month after taking over. First it was Seaver, then Koosman at the end of the year, then Jon Matlack. He took over a last place Braves team and they won the NL West in his first year. He finished 2nd and 3rd in his next two years. He took over a last place Cards team in 1990 with 58 games to play. They finished 2nd the next year. Then 3 straight 3rd place finishes. To say that he was a loser everywhere else is BS. Try looking up the facts.
Regardless of what position Torre was put in when he came to a team, his record was 894-1003 prior to coming to the Yankees. If you’re not winning World Series, or at the very least, winning more games than you lose, you’re technically a “loser.”
Once he came to the Yankees and got staked to one of the highest payrolls or highest payroll year in and year out, his record turned to 1173-767.
The only time that Torre was a “huge loser in all of his other jobs” as a manager was with the late 70’s Mets. John MaGraw wasn’t going to win with that group, especially after they dealt off his starting pitchers within a month after taking over. First it was Seaver, then Koosman at the end of the year, then Jon Matlack. He took over a last place Braves team and they won the NL West in his first year. He finished 2nd and 3rd in his next two years. He took over a last place Cards team in 1990 with 58 games to play. They finished 2nd the next year. Then 3 straight 3rd place finishes. To say that he was a loser everywhere else is BS. Try looking up the facts.
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He was under .500 in all his other teams combined as a manager and never won the world series. And his one playoff apperance he got swept.
He was not ‘good’ results wise. And then he was handed a great team and his talent was allowed to flourish. THen he got complacent and indignant that someone would expect him to perform up to a standard.
I did infact, look at the facts, and they say that Torre was not a good manager if you go by results.
“God Lawrence Frank sucks”
Yeah, losing by one in Miami with an eight-man rotation featuring Trenton Hassell, Bobby Simmons and Eduardo Najera is absolutely atrocious.
My bad, Bobby Simmons didn’t play. Sean Williams did, though.
In 7 full seasons with teams other than the Mets, he had 5 winning seasons, so, he did infact do a good job.He was over .500 with the Braves and in 5 full seasons with st. Louis, he was over .500. Two teams that didn’t go above and beyond in getting FAs at that time. Nobody should be penalized for being stuck with those Mets teams.
In 7 full seasons with teams other than the Mets, he had 5 winning seasons, so, he did infact do a good job.He was over .500 with the Braves and in 5 full seasons with st. Louis, he was over .500. Two teams that didn’t go above and beyond in getting FAs at that time. Nobody should be penalized for being stuck with those Mets teams.
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And no one should be lauded for a bunch of 3rd place finishes.
“fewer” boxing fans. Maybe you could get an editor to proof your posts before you actually put them out in public. After all, a “writer’ is supposed to be able to use the English language correctly.
CR9
November 14th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Regardless of what position Torre was put in when he came to a team, his record was 894-1003 prior to coming to the Yankees. If you’re not winning World Series, or at the very least, winning more games than you lose, you’re technically a “loser.”
Once he came to the Yankees and got staked to one of the highest payrolls or highest payroll year in and year out, his record turned to 1173-767.
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You’d know best about being a loser. Shouldn’t you be digging up more conspiracies?
While you have not said the following GB7, others have said that Torre deserves the credit for the 4 WS.
But by your logic, Torre should not be blamed for being stuck with lousy teams, and teams not willing to go out on the FA market.
This question is not directed at you GB7, but others:
By GB7′s logic, which is pretty reasonable, why should Torre deserve much of, most of, or all of the credit for the Yanks 4 WS?
Managers in baseball have much less to do with the outcome of the game as NHL and NFL coaches.
Torre was staked to one of the highest or highest payroll every year.
GreenBeret7
November 14th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
You’d know best about being a loser. Shouldn’t you be digging up more conspiracies?”
What was the necessity of that comment. I’m not much into conspiracies. But here’s one for you.
It’s been so long since the Yankees last won a World Series……10 long days
I am already longing for Number 28.
This fight is shocking
GreenBeret7 is an internet tough guy.
An impotent old man.
Ignore him and he goes away.
Ball game over! pacquiao wins!!!! paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacquiao Wiiiiiiiiiiiiins!
It’s too bad boxing is fixed.
I saw this fight on showtime a few months ago. I don’t know who was fighting who, it was some light weight championship thing.. anyway, this mexican guy murdered this other guy.. This other guys face was bloodied, he could barely stand, and he fell a couple times during the match (the mexican guy was fine).. not too mention the other guy was doing cheap shots under the belt and making the ref look like something out of WWE. The result was a draw. There was no way in hell that was a draw.
the ufc had a bad showing tonight with vera and randy doing a boring sumo fight (with a bogus decision).
boxing definitly won the night with pacquiao looking like a BEAST.
Hey GB!
I try not to be too much of a troll.
I hope everything is well with you and yours.
Question if I may. You bully other posters around and never admit you are wrong. Low self esteem?
The last joke of a fight that I saw was Klitchko vs Arreola.. What a waste of time that was. Arreola just stood there with his gloves up the entire freaking time. The showtime one was at least a fight, this was just pathetic.
The re-match in 6-9 mths. is going to epic. Cotto looked like he wanted to continue, his face is all bruised but that guy has serious heart, 12 rds. for thier first match is a great fight.
“My bad, Bobby Simmons didn’t play. Sean Williams did, though.”
Lawrence Frank still sucks, he has to be the worse coach in the NBA.
ray (sox fan)
November 15th, 2009 at 12:50 am
Hey GB!
I try not to be too much of a troll.
I hope everything is well with you and yours.
Question if I may. You bully other posters around and never admit you are wrong. Low self esteem?
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Evenong Ray. Hope all is well with you and the (sox fan) family. Everything’s going well here in savannah.
No, I’m not an internet bully. Just no use for idiots or those that troll. With these clowns, it’s the same BS as usual. The only ones that know anything are the Bill James sheep that think the only thing worth value is URZ. If James didn’t invent it to steal their money, it’s not worth believing in.
“Lawrence Frank still sucks, he has to be the worse coach in the NBA.”
He squeezed everything out of a core that wasn’t that good for a couple years longer than he should have been able to. I’d argue that these days, Nellie’s worse. He’s actively trying to eff that team up.
“The only ones that know anything are the Bill James sheep that think the only thing worth value is URZ. If James didn’t invent it to steal their money, it’s not worth believing in.”
Well, there’s a contradiction – Bill James didn’t come up with UZR. It’s hard to have any credibility talking about trolls if you’re going to be such a generalizing (and mistaken) ass.
Nellie is heads above him. Nellie knows how to squeeze the best under w/e his roster. Just look at Azabuike, Morrow, Randolph, Ellis came out of H.S., Biedrins….
Frank benches, S-Will and never gives him a chance, favors Simmons over CDR, early this season, Terrance Williams gets pulled whenever he starts getting on a roll, Brooke Lopez who is almost Tim Duncan pt. 2 is being tutored under his staff, who doesn’t set up the offense around him, a double double man, who gets paired w/ slower counter parts. You wanna keep making excuses for Frank, whatever, btw even in the post game the Czar himself couldn’t understand how the hell you don’t double D-Wade, oh yeh I forgot b/c Hassells is a shot down defender. :rolls:
I would love to hear how GreenBeret evaluates baseball players instead of just spending all your time bashing other people’s comments that are actually backed up by facts and statistical analysis. If you have some alternative method you should probably share it some time with baseball front offices.
If Sean Williams was smart enough to remember plays, he’d get more run. He’s got a skeleton crew – it’s not making excuses, Red Auerbach couldn’t do anything with that team.
If Sean Williams would have a legit coach he’d be a star, it’s funny how they are waiting for Devin Harris to return, I agree they aren’t the same team w/o him, But Devin Harris/B-Lo/S-Will would be a top 5 team in East under a real coach, under Lawrence “I have pics of you Kiki & Rod naked and I’m not afraid to use them ” Frank they are at best a #8 or 9 -11 spot NBA Eastern Conference team.
“The only ones that know anything are the Bill James sheep that think the only thing worth value is URZ. If James didn’t invent it to steal their money, it’s not worth believing in.”
Well, there’s a contradiction – Bill James didn’t come up with UZR. It’s hard to have any credibility talking about trolls if you’re going to be such a generalizing (and mistaken) ass.
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It is also fairly pretentious to believe advanced statistics are worthless when every front office and intelligent baseball heavily relies on them.
If you as a commenter on a newspaper blog are calling those people sheep you have some serious complex issues going on.
What makes you think Sean Williams can do anything else but jump? You just did what Joe Posnanski calls a mockabet. It’s completely unprovable, and there’s really never been anything to show he can translate his athleticism into basketball skill.
What makes you think that Lawrence Frank can coach? You just did what Tim Floyd calls a premature leap to position. He hasn’t proven at all that he can be a consistant coach, had Vince Carter, couldn’t do a damn thing w/ him, Harris and company. Had Richard Jefferson basically saving his butt most of the time. Srsly dude he’s horrible, the fact he’s an NBA coach just should give hope to underachieving NCAA basketball coachs, yes he learned under coach Knight, that is about the only reference he has to being an NBA coach.
I’ll go as far as saying Isiah Thomas is a better coach than him, Reggie Theus is a better coach, Byron Scott, Stan Van Gundy, Spolstra in Miami, Sam w/e his name is from Toronto, the Bulls new coach. I can continue but it’s really not fair, well he’d be put over some names in the NBDL but that’s about it.
Regarding Joe Torre by stealing a few words from my guy Cashmoney.
“You can call him anything you want, but one day you’ll be calling him a HOF manager”
Torre is this baseball generation’s Casey Stengel that had a spotty managerial career prior to coming to the Yankees, but became a winner once he had great players. There isn’t any manager that won consistently without such players. Sure, some have made a run for a pennant with a so so team, but nobody made a managerial career of doing such a thing. The closest I can remember a manager of doing so is Billy Martin, but he would eventually kill his team or his players wanted to kill him, but he’s still not in the HOF because of his other demons that shorted out his career and led to him to be fired as various team’s managers.
Amen crawdaddy!
jeter was in the 4th or 5th row you could see him sitting next to marky mark and will farrell
FEWER boxing fans, not LESS.
I never understand how journalists get that wrong,
every game the announcers on tv say how a player has less RBIs, etc. It kills me.
FEWER boxing fans, not LESS.
I never understand how journalists get that wrong,
every game the announcers on tv say how a player has less RBIs, etc. It kills me.
Re: Boxing vs MMA
Since MMA came along, watching a boxing match to me is kinda like watching Tiger Woods play a round of golf with only his 7 iron. He has so many weapons to use but he is only using one.
Pacquiao is unbelievable and a lot of fun to watch but when I watch him I know that BJ Penn would have him twisted into a pretzel in about 2 minutes in an MMA fight and that diminishes it a bit for me.
Did you hear me, people? I said ignore him!!
While I ignore the irony of calling further attention to him with my choice of name.