Scioscia talks big about beating Yankees
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The Yankees beat the Angels in six games in this year’s ALCS, and Angels manager Mike Scioscia is apparently already thinking about a rematch. Scioscia spoke at a fundraiser recently, according to the Orange County Register, and spent most of the luncheon telling stories from his playing days. When asked about the Yankees, though, he said, “I don’t care if the Yankees go out and spend $350 million next year, we’re going to beat them because we have the team.”
Before you go nuts about the money aspect of it, Scioscia apparently said earlier that payroll had nothing to do with the Yankees winning; he was just being (very) confident in his team. Either way, baseball could certainly do a lot worse than having the Yankees and Angels play another ALCS next year that turns out like this past one. Those were some great games.
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Chad Jennings
Josh Thomson
That’s over. The Yanks now realize they can beat the Angels and I doubt it turns back around any time soon.
haha seems like hes a tad bit bitter! LETS GO YANKEES!!!! Borden we need a countdown to opening day
Its like Jordan with the pistons. It was a rivarly until Jordan finally won then it wasn’t anymore
It just sounds snarky to me. Fine with having confidence in your team, but he just came off like Rollins and Hunter. How’d that work out for ya, Mikey?
Aside from the competition, there is just something about Scioscia that I find off putting.
Sounds like sour grapes. Great manager but he is also a cry baby.
As a lot of people have said, I have no problem with Scioscia having confidence in his team but he should know that these kind of predictions are ridiculous. I can’t remember who it was, but somebody on the Angels coaching staff said something like “I guarantee we win the next two games” after the Angels won game 5 of the ALCS, and nothing needs to be said about Rollins.
Exactly, Phil. Until ‘09 the Angels were riding on their reputation from when their bullpen was a force with K-Rod, Shields, Justin Speier and other guys like Bootcheck getting it done.
On the offensive side, if Figgins and Abreu are held in check you apparently can shut down their offense, they didn’t have the firepower elsewhere, Morales’s regular season notwithstanding.
To Champ from the last thread:
A – the trades I proposed do not “gut the farm system” two of the players I prosposed giving up (Russo and Nunez) are both Rule V players that the Yankees are on the fence about protecting.
B – The useful ML players I give up are spare parts – easily replaced.
C – the legit prospects McAllister and Kennedy are either far from the majors or coming off major surgery
D – The Yankees may well non-tender Wang rather than offer him arbitration.
2009 really was a year of dispelling myths and answering critics.
First timers in NY can be successful
Yankees won with Girardi.
Angels beat Sox in the postseason
Yankees beat Angels in the postseason
Alex didn’t have the stats but was “clutch”
Jeter was less clutch but had the stats
CC and Alex got it done in the postseason
Cashman “wrote his own story”
“I can’t remember who it was, but somebody on the Angels coaching staff said something like “I guarantee we win the next two games” after the Angels won game 5 of the ALCS”
Alfredo Griffin
Hey he’s out there stumping for his team, he should be.
I think the countdown should be days to spring training.
Everybody talks too much at these fundraisers.
Its like college coaches at alumni functions. They get a few drinks in them, run their mouths, and end up making fools of themselves. Like Mike did with those comments.
In today’s world, with YouTube, Twitter, etc, none of that stuff is private anymore.
You can talk the talk, as long as you can walk the walk.
The Angels played like garbage in the ALCS.
Mike would be best served cleaning up the fundamentals his team sorely lacked with the pennant on the line, than running his mouth, or worrying, about the Yankees.
If the Angels lose Lackey they won’t even make the playoffs.
Actually Champ what probably happens is that the pundits get on TV and bemoan how the Yankees got a slugging DH/RF who also hits for high average. A very good LF, a strong back of the rotation starter for a rotation that was only three deep down the stretch, and a good bench player while giving up:
2 fourth outfielders
1 spot starter/middle reliever
1 10th man on the 11 man pitching staff
2 Prospects (on in AA and one coming off surgery)
2 Prospects they might lose in the Rule V draft
1 solid pitcher up for arbitration who is oft injured.
And managed to get younger in the process just for taking back salaries – which are still lower than what they would have spent if they had dabbled in the FA market.
Number of players starting game 6 of the ALCS that have played for no other major league team:
Angel: 6
Yankees: 6
What should he have said?
“Gee guys I don’t know, those Yankees are too good. There’s really no point in worrying about the hot stove. We might as well save the time and effort and just give them the 2010 pennant right now”
I have no problem with Scioscia saying these things, he should think them at least. I think I do have a problem with it being news. So what?
That being said, he is wrong, of course. His team has no 3rd baseman, no no. 1 starter, if Vlad is back he will be in serious decline, their closer is awful, and they are going to have to pay dearly to get out from under Sarge Jr.
Good luck!
The theory that the Yankees go out and buy championships is way overstated. when they “bought” teams they didn’t win. Now they are doing what all well run teams should do, they are growing talent from within and using their money to fill specific needs.
The Angels are on their way down. They have been near the top for awhile and now they will make their fall to mediocrity. Their division is getting back to respectable and parity will be used in describing AL WEST!!!!!
LOL …The Angels might beat the Yankees next year, but then they might not. We beat them this year, that’s all that counts. Sorry, the guy is a great manager (though, he’s got exactly 1 WS – it’s not like he’s got 5), but he sounds like someone who has to beat his chest loudly to compensate for whatever lack of confidence he has. I’m so scared…..
It’s just talk. I don’t see how he could really believe it when he has no idea what his team is going to be with Lackey, Vlad and Figgins being free agents.
Any other manager who talked like that with his lead off hitter, clean up hitter and #1 starter not signed to the team next season would be laughed at.
The only reason this is news is because there is no real news in baseball right now. Once the signings and trades start this kind of nonsense goes back where it belongs…
betsy -
Hey, that’s right! For all the accolades Scioscia gets, he’s only had one WS victory managing the Angels.
Country Club -
GGBG makes me nervous when he plays CF. I don’t like when he comes in on hits – he has a tendency to misplay singles into doubles (or worse, triples), and he’s not a good jumper on hits to the wall. He’s made some great catches, but overall, he makes me nervous.
I’m all for Mike running his mouth. Baseball needs more rivalries. NYY and KC used to have a really good one. Oak and NYY had some memorable games in early 2000’s. Same for M’s, Tex, and O’s.
A man can’t dine on Yanks vs. Sox alone.
Talk is talk. Red meat for the Fat Cats at a fund raiser. Throw ‘em some beef and they write big numbers on the checks they write after dessert. Means nothin’.
Mark, he sounds like an idiot…….
Doreen, yet he’s worshipped as a god. His comments do not add anything to the rivalry – they are inane. If the Yankees even read these comments, they probably rolled their eyes.
“The theory that the Yankees go out and buy championships is way overstated. when they “bought” teams they didn’t win. ”
I dont care one bit if the Yankees spend 200 or 500 million a year. But I am afraid I’ll be seeing and making posts like these for the next …. years.
Which brings me to this…
Did anyone know that the highest payroll difference between a World Series champion and the World Series loser is not this year, but 2007 Red Sox $89 million more than the 2007 Rockies.
They probably will beat them at least once next year.
How about they create a Chat Room and invite Scioscia, Hunter, Rollins and Manuel.
They can call it “Why We’re Both Better Than The Yankees.”
Manuel can discuss the weaknesses in the game of Andy Pettitte, Rollins can reveal his secret on how to hit Rivera, and Hunter and Scioscia can talk about how superior fundamentals and running on Jorge Posada trumps anything the Yankees bring to the table…
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
November 17th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
How about they create a Chat Room and invite Scioscia, Hunter, Rollins and Manuel.
They can call it “Why We’re Both Better Than The Yankees.”
Manuel can discuss the weaknesses in the game of Andy Pettitte, Rollins can reveal his secret on how to hit Rivera, and Hunter and Scioscia can talk about how superior fundamentals and running on Jorge Posada trumps anything the Yankees bring to the table…
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That’s hilarious!!
Here’s a rule that MLB might think about using in the very distant future.
It’s a rule that I think just went into effect in the English Premier League.
A team in the Premier League must have a certain number of its squad be of English citizens.
Well, in the MLB, they could have a rule for active players on the 25 man roster being drafted by the organization.
I would not want this rule, but it seems like something that some people (non Yankee fans) might want.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news.....o-english-
Erin,
It’s those four who are the real comedians.
But the clowns are the two managers.
I can see players talking smack – but it’s embarrassing and slightly pathetic for a felled rival manager, at this level, to do it.
With Scoscia, the world was right when he was credited with some kind of singular mastery over the Yankees. Now that that’s been taken from him, he’s getting a little cranky.
Sorry Mike, one of your secret weapons – Jason Giambi – has flown the coop.
I think Scioscia (and to some degree Gardenhire) get so much ink is that they go against the norm.
After Moneyball came out teams started playing more station to station baseball – high on base, limited running, wait for the long ball and don’t worry too much about defense and these two managers said “nay nay” and with teams that run, teams that put pressure on the defense and play solid defense and have their teams in the post season most years.
Maybe Scioscia should put on a NYY jersey and proclaim he wants to feel like a winner (ala Jeff Fisher and the Manning Jersey)!!
“Well, in the MLB, they could have a rule for active players on the 25 man roster being drafted by the organization.
I would not want this rule, but it seems like something that some people (non Yankee fans) might want.”
Why not? The Yankees would have met those conditions this year, and they would have met them during the ‘96-2000 years. Assuming you mean the # would be between 10 and 12 “homegrown” players. However, Boston would have had a tough time meeting that in ‘04, and maybe now.
CR9 –
Never ever gonna happen. For one thing it’s too complicated. What about non-drafted rookies or international signings – do they count – I’m not even talking about the Hideki Matsui/Jose Contreras type of international signing, but how about a Robinson Cano or Melky Cabrera or Mariano Rivera who the Yankees signed and then brought through the organization?
CR9 – Messi is better than Ronaldo !! .. lol
Yankees are the WS champions,all 29 teams are gunning for them now.Let the forecasting begin!!!
Mark -
Again the problem is how you define “home grown” players.
Are we talking about players drafted by the organization who come all the way through it only?
What about a trade like the Gary Sheffield one where the Yankees picked up minor leaguers – would Humberto Sanchez be considered a home grown Yankee because he played in the Yankee minor leagues?
How about international free agents who come through the system like Cano or Rivera?
What about minor leaguers who change organizations through either free agency or minor league deals?
What about guys who aren’t drafted at all?
If Jesus Montero doesn’t qualify because he was an international signing, do the Yankees have to keep him in the minors despite being ready to play so that Brett Gardner can be on the roster?
There are just far too many players within any organization to set those kind of restrictions on the roster.
“bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
November 17th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
How about they create a Chat Room and invite Scioscia, Hunter, Rollins and Manuel.
They can call it “Why We’re Both Better Than The Yankees.”
Manuel can discuss the weaknesses in the game of Andy Pettitte, Rollins can reveal his secret on how to hit Rivera, and Hunter and Scioscia can talk about how superior fundamentals and running on Jorge Posada trumps anything the Yankees bring to the table…”
ROTFLMAO…..love it!!! Sounds like Mr. Scoscia is bothered big time by losing to the Yankees….maybe he won’t be so smug anymore…
Mark in Tampa
I guess you’re right. I am just against the idea of restrictions like Salary cap or this.
Scoscia is over-rated. What has he done? Won division titles is a weaker division. One WS win.
I don’t get the fawning over him. He does a decent job, but in that division it isn’t all that hard.
This is why the division play needs to be pared down and a more balanced schedule take over.
pat pat pat,don’t forget….Andy was huge too on short rest,and Mo pitching multiple innings with sore ribs!!
Mike RI
lol!
Chip,
Take a deep breath.
I don’t think anybody thinks this could actually happen, it’s just an academeic exercise. But, if you were to seriously consider it, I think the parameters would be something like: anybody who spends more than 1/2 season in your minor league system, regardless of how they were acquired. Stipulation would be that they couldn’t have already made their ML debut elsewhere.
Put the Angels in the AL East, they are probably a third place team.. They play in a division where you have a team which does not spend money, you have another team which has the money but spends it badly, and another team which thinks that the regular seasons ends at the allstar break..
I think scioscia was pretty confident that his team will beat the yanks.. I’ve never heard him say anything like this when they were winning against the yanks all these years.. I guess he’s unable to bear this defeat…
Scioscia=the AL’s version Bobby Cox(Braves),will win the division!!
GGBG makes me nervous when he plays CF. I don’t like when he comes in on hits – he has a tendency to misplay singles into doubles (or worse, triples), and he’s not a good jumper on hits to the wall. He’s made some great catches, but overall, he makes me nervous.
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Agreed, Doreen.
What he has in speed he unfortunately seems to make up for in not reading bats well. He can be dazzling east-west, showing off great range, but has chronic problems judging balls hit over his head. That is kind of important for a CF.
We got a tremendous catch in Game 5 from him, but we see catchable balls to the wall for Melky turn into high adventure and misplays from Gardner.
Gardner’s speed just does not, at this point, translate often enough into plus defense, and sometimes even above average defense.
He improved from the beginning of the season going back on balls, but this is still an issue for him, so I have to assume he just does not have the instinct for getting good jumps.
Those who compare him with Bubba Crosby do Bubba a disservice. While Gardner is much faster, Bubba was a way better instinctive OF.
Gardner on Ibanez in Game 6 was a classic example of him turning the wrong way and twisting himself up so that his speed becomes a non-factor and a ball becomes non-playable. And that is always the argument from the Gardner chorus – the ball was scorched and was virtually unplayable. Well, even if it is on a given play, it’s the path TO the ball that is of concern.
For a guy with plus-plus speed, he winds up not even in position to make a play behind him a troubling amount of times. That’s not a great CF, sorry.
Well, of course it was unplayable, because by the time he got to where the ball was falling, he had twisted himself into an unplayable position.
It’s not just about speed – it has to do with being able to pick up the baseball. He’s just good enough at it to be considered a plus defender.
Chip
I did not say it would happen. I said it might be thought about, if the Yankees win more championships with 200+ million payrolls, in the very very distant future.
The Players Union would never go for that percentage of roster places by drafted/farm system set up. It would hurt FA markets, trades would be more difficult except for scrubs.
Speaking well of your own player and team without bringing someone elses player and team into the conversation is something more people should try and master.
As for Scoscia, making predictions about what a team will do next year when you don’t know who is going to be on your 25 man roster is just rhetoric and should be ignored.
i think its simple . If you want a “fair” offseason.
1- Teams that make the playoffs are only allowed to sign 1 type A free agent. up to 2 type B free agents and as many C free agents as they want
Gardner is not the answer in CF. I think Melky actually plays the position better, not for his speed, but for his reading the ball better. Gardner reminds me a bit of Ellsbery, a little bit of show boating helps cover up poor routes to the ball and diving catches give the wow factor, causing people to think he is better than he really is.
Gardner isn’t horrible, but he is a back up outfielder. His speed is best on the bases, but he doesn’t hit well. That is the advantage that Ellsbery has, he can hit decently enough to get on base.
Doreen,
I’d say, at least with the coming in on the ball, he’s more decisive. He has the speed and feels he can get there, and often does. Coming in is an area where at least his speed can be better employed.
But there are in-game considerations, and you have to sometimes play the percentages, rather than go for the spectacular play.
Man, Pete gets beat up by the readers of the Extra Bases blog no matter what he says. It wasn’t like that here was it?
I’m reposting this response here, where it will live for like 30 minutes before the cy young is announced
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E-Gawa:
Those are not “lies” they are based on Truths. Cano can be lazy at times but his good far out weighs his bad.
Melky over plays baseballs, Gardner sometimes looks lost. No “lies” there both sides are right. Everyone is just looking at the team through the perspective they want to go.
The same could be said about my argument however it’s not based on a “lie”.
I don’t think Holliday offers any + to this team. No upgrade to the offense, he’s about equal to what Damon was. His D is debatable.
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Explain to me in great detail how Cano is lazy, despite working every day with Kevin Long on trying to get a better approach offensively, and every day with Mick Kelleher on fielding his position.
Go on, try and explain it, are you going to say its because he makes errors? Well Jeter makes errors, guess he is lazy. And as for those Gardner/Melky things, I never mentioned any specifics thats a strawman right there. Go look at any argument on these blogs theres going to be plenty of people making up stuff and trying to pass it off as facts.
Such as yourself, trying to say that Matt Holliday is the JASON GIAMBI of left field? Matt Hawpe is the Jason Giambi of the outfield, Matt Holliday is not even in the same realm as any of these players.
TangoTigers fan scouting reports are ok, but there is no study to confirm how close the values line up with actual defensive value of any player.
Holliday is a line drive hitter with power to all fields who gets on base better than Damon.
Even when he ’sucked’ in oakland he was better than Damon. His down year total of HRs was equal to Damons career best.
Please, stop.
bodhisattva -
I know I go against the grain here, but aside from his grittiness and what seems like a real willingness to work hard, Gardner leaves a lot to be desired, IMHO. For a player with his speed to not be able to bunt consistently for hits is a waste of a skill. He’s incredibly fast, but I’m not impressed with the way he uses (or doesn’t use) his speed. He’s not an instinctive base stealer, either – or at least he doesn’t seem to be.
Now, I’m no expert, and just going by what I have observed. And I do realize that until he got hurt, he had made a great deal of progress and was doing very well. But after the injury, he backtracked so badly. I also realize that when he is brought in as a pinch runner with the single purpose of stealing second it make sit harder to steal, but how many times has he waited too long? I think to myself, if it was Rickey Henderson, he’d have stolen 3 bases in the amount of time it took Gardner to decide to go at all.
Gardner is a back-up player to me. Not someone you want out there every day. And until he can learn to bunt for a base hit, his speed is, well, not meaningless, but has less meaning.
Lol Socia is a very good manager, lets not not go crazy here. I don’t have a problem with him making dumb predictions, but I also don’t think the Angels are going to do much this year. They are about to lose the ace of their staff, and maybe their leadoff and cleanup hitters as well. If Seattle gets Lackey, I think they win the division. Texas could challenge for the division as well. I think the Angels will have a tough enough time making the playoffs, let alone beating the Yankees in the playoffs.
I don’t think anybody thinks this could actually happen, it’s just an academeic exercise.
I know – just pointing out some of the reasons it’s improbable.
Mike in RI -
What if you are a team in the playoffs (Angels) and have multiple Type A free agents on your own team (Figgins & Lackey) or is there an exemption to signing your own FA? And what if you trade for a Type A FA and have one of your own already on the roster (like the Brewers did with Sabathia and Sheets)?
Let’s not forget that Gardner has not played all that many games at the ML level. He has started 95 games, about half a season. Remember how unbelievably bad Melky was when he first came up?
Reading balls against the backdrop of a packed 5-tier stadium is quite a bit different from doing it in a near empty minor league park. I think Gardner will be fine defensively before long.
I wouldn’t conclude Scioscia’s comments as sour grapes. I think he knows they didn’t play their best for the whole ALCS and he thinks that if they did it might have been a different result.
Truth is, if the Angels did play their best, they had a shot. Same goes for next year. But that’s why you play the games instead of just deciding the WS teams (or the WS winner) based on regular season records. Hey, they Yanks weren’t supposed to beat the Braves back in ‘96, but they played well and they did.
The Angels don’t have any guarantees next year (and he must know that) but they would have a shot and that’s probably what Scioscia’s looking forward to. Less of a shot if NY signs Lackey of course, but still … his team shouldn’t be so easily dismissed.
Remember, though, that NY has no guarantees either. But I do like our chances.
Chip
What if you are a team in the playoffs (Angels) and have multiple Type A free agents on your own team (Figgins & Lackey) or is there an exemption to signing your own FA? And what if you trade for a Type A FA and have one of your own already on the roster (like the Brewers did with Sabathia and Sheets)?
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What if you are a team in the playoffs (Angels) and have multiple Type A free agents on your own team (Figgins & Lackey) or is there an exemption to signing your own FA?
good point . .You allowed to keep 1 of your type A free agents and your able to sign 1 other type A free agent.
And what if you trade for a Type A FA and have one of your own already on the roster (like the Brewers did with Sabathia and Sheets)?
Your able to trade for whom ever you want including type A free agents. no restrictions
“I think to myself, if it was Rickey Henderson, he’d have stolen 3 bases in the amount of time it took Gardner to decide to go at all.”
If he was Rickey Henderson, we wouldn’t be worried about Damon leaving, Holliday coming in, or taking on Vernon Well’s idiotic contract.
If he was Ricky Henderson he wouldn’t be as fast anymore because he’d be old. lol
Mark in Tampa -
“Too-shay!”
oh God its him from the newsday Yankee blog
Let’s not forget that Gardner has not played all that many games at the ML level. He has started 95 games, about half a season. Remember how unbelievably bad Melky was when he first came up?
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bingo.
Brewers abused CC,treated him just like a rental,used to stop the Cards.
He often in the season pitched on short rest,and had nothing in the tank for postseason.They did beat the Cards though,for the division!!
Gardner’s misplay of Ibanez’ ball was almost entirely due to positioning. He was playing incredibly shallow because Rivera doesn’t let up booming fly balls, he lets up bloops.
He got bit, oh well. Gardner is much better than Ellsbury on most plays. Melky has a lot of major league experience and coaching.
They both have strengths but if Gardner is able to maintain the skills he was working on before he got hurt he will be a valuable player.
His OBP was better than Melky on the season. Melky has more power. They could both end up as 4th/5th outfielders, but they both have very good upside and already provide tangible benefits at the MLB level.
Gardner is a much better defensive player than Melky is. He has insane range, and he does play better the more he plays.
Greinke!!!
Why are we discussing punishing success even further?
Isn’t enough that the Yanks bankroll the bottom third of MLB? Teams that succeed should not be restricted from trying to continue winning.
One thing they could do to help lesser teams is eliminate FA compensation with draft picks if the signing team was below .500 the previous season.
I also completely support establish a slotting system for paying draft picks, an international draft and expanding the MLB active roster to 26 or 27.
I would also cut an entire week off the regular season by mandating one home doubleheader for each team during the summer months (Jun-Aug). They can be straight doubleheaders or day/nite depending on the home team’s preference(s) but cannot be on getaway day unless the opponent agrees.
Now let’s get rid of the DH.
The answer is there’s never going to be a “fair system.” If your team does better financially there’s no reason why they shouldn’t bring in the better players as a reward for a strong business model. Much like if you bank more money than the guy living next to you there’s no reason you shouldn’t buy a BMW even if all he can afford is a Honda Civic.
Here are the things I would do to try and balance things out:
1. Allow teams to trade draft picks. Yes, you risk a situation where a team like the Yankees trades up to get a Strausburg year after year, but imagine the haul that the Nationals could have gotten for that pick. Wouldn’t that have helped the Nationals more than any one pitcher.
2. Salary floor. If teams are getting (for the sake of round numbers) 30 mil each from revenue sharing, there is no reason that they can’t have 45 mil in total spent on the 40 man roster. This level should be checked at the start of spring training, the start of the season, and after the 8/31 waiver deadline (to prevent firesales). Any team below the 45 mil level on the 40 man roster must return any revenue sharing money they got and also loses their second round draft pick.
3. Eliminate draft pick compensation for free agents. Teams are shying away from some free agents because they don’t want to give up the draft pick to sign the player feeling that the pick has greater long term value to the team than the player would – the result is that a team, like the Yankees, can grab up free agents knowing that they can supplement their minor leagues through international free agency.
4. Every team starts their own regional network. Part of the reason the Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets can spend more money and make more money are YES, NESN, and SNY – the revenue streams from those regional networks is huge, they are money making machines.
5. Contraction – I know that this will never happen – heck nothing suggested above will ever happen – but the bottom line is that if an owner like Jeff Loria can’t generate any interest in his club and can’t get support the club financially then the club shouldn’t be there (regardless of their two titles). The way the Expos/Nationals were handled was a farce.
Teams up for contraction would have to meet the following criteria:
A) Draw less than 750k fans in the season
B) Fall under the above salary floor threshold
C) Playing in a stadium more than 3 years old.
MLB teams would have to contribute to a fund to buy out the owner for 50% of the team’s actual value and, if the taxpayers of a city paid for the park (Pittsburgh for example) then the money gets split between the owner and the city. The players in that team’s system would be subject to a common draft among all the ML teams.
Greinke destroys everyone with a million 1st place votes, near unanimous.
Booo Hernandez was robbed.
Congratulations to Zack Greinke
Chip
what you’re missing other than than actual value of the boatload that you want to give up for DeJesus,Meche,Barmes and Hawpe is the ability of the guys you want back
Hawpe- a career .270 hitter away from Coors with a road hr/ab rate that translates into 22hrs/550 abs avg power bat and bad of defense
Barmes- a career .220 hitter away from Coor’s with a road hr/ab rate that translate into 12hrs/550 abs with a stone
glove
DeJesus- a league average player who i like as a stopgap player but not for the players you want to give up. I’d do Russo and McCallister for DeJesus but i would not move Nunez for him as Nunez has a higher ceiling and will play at AAA this year one level away from the Majors.
Meche- No way i swap Wang for Meche who also has a history of injuries when He’s making 12mil and Wang when healthy is better pitcher making 1/3 of his salary
Nunez has the potential to be a RH Cano with speed at SS with a plus glove. Jeter may need to move off the position after next season or the season after and Nunez is my best in house candidate to replace him who hit .322 last year with some power and speed is trending up and will play at AAA this year. His value to us is more than you are crediting him with. If you think it’s easy to fill the SS position with an impact player ask Theo he’ll tell you otherwise
Great Job Chip.
I agree 100 percent with Contraction.!!
Rickey Henderson is not old!
I know this because we were both born in 1958.
i disagree at this point that Gardner is a 4th of’er…I’d like to see him do extra work this offseason with Kevin Long on using his lower half more in his swing to drive the ball more…with his speed and on base skills he could take over LF and give us the type of game that Figgins gives the Angels.
If given 500abs and he hits .280/.380obp/7hrs/70 rbis/100runs/50+sbs from the 9hole and a very good defensive LF that would be more than enough to replace Damon’s production imo
Scioscia sounds like a politician throwing red meat to his base.
86w183:
“Now let’s get rid of the DH”.
Say what?!?!
Is this an attempt at sarcasm?
Sounds like he was able to get a few words in between stuffing himself with cannoli.
Jerkface
November 17th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Gardner’s misplay of Ibanez’ ball was almost entirely due to positioning. He was playing incredibly shallow because Rivera doesn’t let up booming fly balls, he lets up bloops.
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Well, this sort of proves the point that he’s not an elite CF. Playing shallow was the way they tried to go with him when he first took over CF.
It did not work – because despite all the buzz about his speed, he ain’t the second coming of Andruw Jones – he’s not even BJ Upton, really – and he cannot play shallow and use his speed on backflight like these players can.
The Yankees finally recognized this, to their credit, and now he routinely plays deeper when he’s out there.
And the positioning is valid only in that the ball was probably not catchable.
It does not, however, explain away that he turned the wrong way on pursuit, and that he often turns the wrong way.
champ809
November 17th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
i disagree at this point that Gardner is a 4th of’er…I’d like to see him do extra work this offseason with Kevin Long on using his lower half more in his swing to drive the ball more
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I’ve said this many times myself; he needs to completely change his approach. He swings like a power hitter. Let’s see what magic KLong can work on him.
Fastso Soscia is a jerk!!!!!!!!!!!
Alao remember the last Jerk that made a prediction about the Yankees. He’s eating his words right about now.