Scioscia and Tracy named Managers of the Year
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 18, 2009 
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The Angels’ Mike Scioscia has been named the American League Manager of the Year. Colorado’s Jim Tracy won the award in the National League.
Good job by Sam picking the winners. And yes I did vote for Dave Miley for Manager of the Year, but that was in the International League.
UPDATE, 3:21 p.m.: Joe Girardi finished third in the voting. Here are the totals (1st place votes, 2nd, 3rd, total points)
Mike Scioscia, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim 15 10 1 — 106
Ron Gardenhire, Minnesota Twins 6 12 6 — 72
Joe Girardi, New York Yankees 4 3 5 – 34
Don Wakamatsu, Seattle Mariners 2 2 3 – 19
Ron Washington, Texas Rangers 1 1 11 – 19
Jim Leyland, Detroit Tigers 0 0 2 – 2
UPDATE, 3:31 p.m.: As you would expect, Mike Scioscia was asked quite a bit about Nick Adenhart during his conference call, but for the most part he was asked about overall difficulties of the season. John Lackey was injured when the season started. Kelvim Escobar started one game. Ervin Santana’s numbers dropped drastically.
“There were things that happened this year that you have to be prepared for,” Scioscia said. “And some things that there’s no manual to deal with.”
Toward the end of the conference call, Scioscia was asked about the ALCS.
“The Yankees outplayed us,” he said. “They played great baseball that series. I think at times we played well that series. At times we opened the door for a team that seemed like wasn’t going to let up.”
At least I agree with one of these choices.
Scoscia – no. Sorry but this really only went to him because of sympathy.
agreed 100%
give it to the manager who started the season without the likely mvp, and ended the season without their biggest run producer, while fighting their way into the playoffs until game 163.
Gardenhire deserved that…
maybe if one of his players died he would have.
Scioscia – Manager of the Year for beating the Red Sox! Agreed!
Roger, where in the Middle East are you going? Temporary work assignment?
whatever.
Girardi is the AL Manager of the year. Check the ring
“There is basically no chance a Joe Torre managed team would have been able to completely reinvent that bullpen the Girardi’s team did.”
What garbage. If they didn’t sign Tex and CC, it wouldn’t matter what he did with the bullpen. They gave Torre Pavano and Giambi to work with, that’s why he didn’t win. Look at the 96 roster – NOT superstars. Torre helped make Jeter and Mo what they are today. Torre had to fight to keep both. George wanted to trade Rivera and demote Jeter.
Bullpen is meaningless if you don’t already have a good team, and that’s what Tex and CC made the Yankees.
This has to be the most subjective of all the subjective baseball awards, no?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
anyone think Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, Melky, and Mike Dunn would get it done?
personally, i don’t think the Blue Jays can do any better then this.
NYY626
November 18th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
“I love Andy to death. He’s become one of my best friends. … I always take a jab at him [saying that] I can keep you young,” said Chamberlain, who spoke with Pettitte last week. “He’s been one of the biggest influences in my life as far as growing up as a human being, not only as a baseball player.”‘
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I knew I always liked Joba! Seriously, this made me teary….
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Me too! I’m glad to hear I wasn’t the only one!!
Gardenhire was great this year too, but Scioscia’s ability to get his team off the mat and comeback from Texas, whom incidentally took control of the West division for the first part fo the season, was truly brilliant.
Scioscia wins? Meh.
I would’ve gone with Gardenhire or even Washington.
I’m sure Girardi could care less.
Forget any extension now for Mr. Third Place.
It’s really a credit to our players that they were able to achieve so much without having the best manager.
“Bullpen is meaningless if you don’t already have a good team, and that’s what Tex and CC made the Yankees”
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Bullpen is meaningless?
huh? And by the way, the 2006 Yankees were a complete team. And they were loaded. Torre needed to be let go after he refused to bunt on Schilling “because it wasn’t the Yankee way”. And was finally given his walking papers for sitting on his behind while locusts/bugs attacked Joba in an event of biblical/epic proportions. He was in NYY 3 years too long
Nick
I’m going to HongKong for 2 years.Have you bene there?I’ve been there once.Very strange city but i kinda liked it
it is funny, not one time has a journalist and/or tv analyst, mentioned Joe Girardi losing his #2 pitcher (Wang) for the entire year.
NYY had injuries too
Hong Kong looks interesting…
then again, Hong Kong Phooey was one the greatest cartoons of all-time
Hong kong??? I thought you said the Middle East! roger, you need to step out of the coffee shop, go to a cafe for some real coffee to sober up, and check an atlas.
Hong Kong is in the Far East, aka the Orient, aka Asia proper. I have been there, yes, but only for a couple days. I liked it quite a bit, major international city with natural beauty.
We will definately have to hoist a beer or three in HK and toast the Yankees!
Joe Girardi COMPLETELY overhauled a failing bullpen in front of Rivera — something Joe Torre NEVER could have done.
He should have won, period, the end.
But, at the end the day, he and his team won the only trophy that matters.
The ring is the thing. Joe G couldn’t care less, I bet.
its sad that the yankees have more wins this month (2) than the jets, giants, nets, and knicks combined
Unfortunately for Girardi, he wasn’t fortunate enough to have one of his rookies killed this year.
If anything, that’s the kind of thing that brings a team together, making the manager’s job EASIER, not harder.
haha we should!
My home will be in Hongkong but I will be travelling a lot to Combodia,India,Thailand and Vietnam.
A big step for me.Never worked outside of Europe and as a 24year old this is pretty scary!haha
More subjective than the Silver Starlet?
I mean do you go with the raw sexual dynamism of K-Hud or the innocent coquettishness of Minka?
And what about Melky’s girl who is certainly a “star” in her own right? And that girl was pretty funny as well which you can’t necessarily say about the other two.
Maybe we can introduce a new award just for her? The Silver Stripper!
Regardless, these are some tough decisions.
From last thread, and no I don’t agree with Scioscia-Gardenhire deserved it!
Yes give Girardi a one year extension.
Can’t see Holliday or Halladay as Yankee options because:
2009 starting payroll was 208M and change, which doesn’t include another 5M or so Pettitte reached in incentives. Let’s say year end payroll was around 213M.
Next,Jeter, Cano, and Swisher have built in raises for 2010 around 5M total, plus Cabrera and a few others will get arbitration raises.
IF, BIG IF, the Steinbrenners want the starting 2010 salary to be just under 200M, lets say 199M, let’s now guess where they go with resigning their own free agents, signing other free agents, making trades for players one year removed from FA, trades period for established players.
Come up with a 25 man roster that can compete in the AL East for a chance to go back to the WS,and stay under 200M.
Attached are 2009 start of the season salaries.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=nyy
Thoughts?
Sam, Chad??
How is Cashman’s job to keep Halladay from the Sox? His only job is to see to the improvement of his team – he can not force the Jays to not trade with the Sox, esp. if the Sox give them what they want. What are we going to do, quake in our sleep if the Sox get Halladay? I don’t want Doc….at all. There is no way I’m giving up any top prospects for a 33 year old….nevermind one who is a year from FA.
Too bad Girardi didn’t get it, but no Yankee will ever win manager of the year award simply based on payroll. I hope this helps Mike S. sleep at night – maybe it will be of solace to him when he thinks how his team played in the ALCS.
Yeah, cause Texas didn’t fold during the stretch…….
What’s so glaring about these awards,is how did their seasons turned out,and what measurement did they use,besides BIAS?
Joe got a Division and Pennant titles,topped off with a World Series Win.
As a coach,he also will get some Bling ~Bling to go with his great accomplishment in 2009 for posterity!!
People will remember who won the Pennant and WS in 2009,they may have to look up the mgr of the year!!
Like Heyman is breaking any news with his Halladay tidbit.I’m sure all the call was was Cash trying to find out how much the Jays would try to extort from them and then Cash hanging up.
But but but,Joe gets the honor of managing the All Star game,next year,another proof he was slighted this season!
From the previous thread:
I don’t give up Joba, Hughes, Ajax OR Montero for Halladay now. Not a chance.
The Mets STOLE Santana from MIN – they have nothing left from that trade (unless you want to include J.J. Hardy from the Gomez trade).
That trade was under similar circumstances (beginning of the “walk” year). If you throw Wells in, you get even LESS in return (eat as much of that God-awful contract as you wish).
As for BOS getting Halladay, Cash could easily outbid them, but does he really need to? Besides, BOS has a 3,000 mile crush on King Felix right now. Even if they could pull that off (SEA would be nuts letting him go), it would decimate BOS system. Good luck with that and your A Gonz pipe dream, Theo.
I’d rather have Stealth Cash than Theo E. Coyote, Suuuuper Genius any day of the week.
I think the Yankees should sign Minka Kelly and Kate Hudson to 3 year deals. Not sure what the going price is, however.
I meant the far east bwt!
What exactly does Heyman do for a living besides send out retread rumors during November and July?
CR9
Scioscia-manager of the year for beating the Sawx?
Who beat the Angels……..The Yankees!
Yankees beat the Sawx and the Angels to get the WS!!
betsy
November 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Like Heyman is breaking any news with his Halladay tidbit.I’m sure all the call was was Cash trying to find out how much the Jays would try to extort from them and then Cash hanging up.
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betsy-Heyman’s been using that “scoop” since July. LOL
L to the 2nd
November 18th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
What exactly does Heyman do for a living besides send out retread rumors during November and July?
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LMAO!!
Roger, I used to work in HK for 2 years. I hope your company paid for the rent.
Because I used to live in a service apartment(600ish square feet) in a suburb called Ma On Shan, which is 50 minutes away from Central during peak hours. And the rent still cost 16000 HKD, that’s more than 2000 dollars a month. And I believe the $$ should be higher now.
Scioscia will always be a candidate for Manager of the Year because of his managerial philosophy, and the makeup of his team (which may go hand-in-hand).
He’s much more like to hit and run, call for a sac bunt, etc. than Girardi because of his personnel.
Who laid down the majority of the sac bunts for the Angels?
Aybar (.423 slg) – 12
Mathis (.308 slg) – 8
Figgins (.393 slg) – 8
Willits (.238 slg) – 6
Izturis (.434 slg) – 3
The Yanks had 1 regular who SLG’d below .434 – Melky’s .416. Gardner led the team with 6 sac bunts, followed by Cervelli, Melky, Jeter with 4 each.
If Girardi had Scioscia’s lineup, he’d be bunting more.
“I think the Yankees should sign Minka Kelly and Kate Hudson to 3 year deals. Not sure what the going price is, however.”
Hudson seems to be past her prime. Kelly’s a back end starter at best.
On the other hand, Mary Carey’s a true work horse.
vitus
Yes my company found a place in new territories.Don’t know if you know where that is?Is it a nice neighbourhood or..?
Did you like it in Hongkong?
roger, when you said Middle East I pictured you sweltering in Riyadh or Dubai or some such place and getting glared at by the local al Queda regional assistant manager.
Hong Kong is much better. Don’t know much about the New Territories except that it could be a haul to HK island but you’ll be closer to the border with the Mainland… if that matters.
P.S. I think the New Territories encompass a big area and lots of particular places, so it’s not a question of ‘is it a nice neighborhood?’ — you’d have to narrow it down a lot to figure that out.
Good dim sum should be easy to find.
I’m sorry I don’t get this. I’m going to sound like the bad guy, but why does Nick Adenhart’s death give Scoscia this award? Because he “got the team through it”? These are not children. You telling me Eric Aybar and Vlad couldn’t concentrate because they missed hanging out with their best friend Nick Adenhart? Give me a BREAK.
Girardi navigated the steroid mess, swapped jeter and damon in the order, put hughes in the 8th inning, and kept everyone healthy, including AJ, virtually all season. Girardi earned it. So strange that Scoscia got it. Think about it, if Adenhart’s crash doesn’t happen, it goes to Girardi. Doesn’t anyone else think that’s sad and wrong?
The ball dropping between Aybar and Figgins, very funny. Scioscia’s belly is full of in and out burgers from So Cal.
Watch it with the insulting language about the Middle East (the ‘al-Qaeda regional manager’ quip). There are many beautiful cities and people there. That’s flat out insulting Nick, and you are better than that.
We’ll see wat happens.Asia wasn’t my first choice but it’s a big opportunity for me.I heard some horror stories about India but I guess you should try everything once
Ron Gardenhire has had it rough, 5 runner ups for manager of the year and he deserved to win it 3 of those 5. Scioscia did a good job, but he had a lot more talent and returning players. Aw well, Ron “Guy-dey-hired” (As Orlando Cabrera pronounces it) will probably finish 2nd next year too.
“[Minka] Kelly’s a back end starter at best.”
Giggity.
I’m gettin the feeling sportswriters don’t like the Yankees.
No extension for Girardi. Let him play out his contract. Bring back Showalter and let him finally win a World Series as he’s deserved for so long now. NYY cheated him out of it I’m ’96. It was mostly his team that won.
Also, bring back Randy Johnson as fifth starter. Just ain’t right not winning one with him.
“I heard some horror stories about India but I guess you should try everything once”
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imagine how good the food is tho.
best of luck and be safe Roger. Hong Kong looks like a very exciting place
Roger
Yes, Ma On Shan is located on New Territories. There are 3 major islands in HK. New Territories, Kowloon and Hong Kong.
It’s a nice neighbourhood, but if you require to travel to Central to work(Hong Kong island),like I used to. You will have to fight for a bus seat during peak hours, and hope the traffic didn’t stop compeltely on you
Oh, and I love hong kong. If you are cool with Chinese food and can settle for a bowl of rice or noodle for a meal. 5 to 7 USD should feed you pretty well. People in hong kong are very fast paced, and the people seens less friendly compare to the countries near by. Oh and they don’t watch baseball!! Soccer(foot ball) occupied all the sports channels, so you will have to get MLB TV from mlb.com
The internet is fast and cheap. I remember paying 50 or 60 USD a month for 100M/100M fibre.
One last down side will be the population. It seens no matter where you go, you will always see a swarm of people.
It will be a nice experience for you. 24 years old is a good age to explore the world. I hope you enjoy HK as much as I did.
iraqi yankee fan takes umbrage at my lame quip???
My apologies, sir or madam, I did not mean to suggest that the Middle East is bereft of beautiful people or places.
And my lame quip could apply just as much to roger’s Amsterdam, I suppose.
But never mind that, please tell us about being a Yankee fan in Iraq, how that came to be, etc.
I’d like to see how well the Halos and Twins would do if they were in the AL East.
Facts are facts.
The Halos and Twins benefit from playing in weak division.
Carsten Charles
November 18th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
I’m gettin the feeling sportswriters don’t like the Yankees.
You’re just now figuring this out Sabathia. Stick to pitching!
Interesting stuff on the 6 year minor league free agents.
I really hope Eric Duncan gets a shot somewhere else. I think Humberto and Vec could be back. I’m sure the Yankees will grab up one or two guys from other teams Would like to see Jason Hirsch come back but I feel like someone will gamble on him in the Rule V.
I looked through the list on Baseball America and it’s basically the guys you assume it will be, prospects who never panned out, fringe major leaguers, and guys you never heard of – there are though a few guys who stood out:
Ryan Freel – super utility guy and pinch runner
Sal Fasano – if you need someone to work with a young pitching staff in your minor leagues and mentor young catchers I can’t think of anyone better than this guy.
Tony Pena Jr. – Moved from SS to the mound and seems like he could have a future there
Dallas McPhereson – He’s a decent option as a LH bat to keep around in the minors in case you need on – another guy who fits that mold would be Daryl Ward.
I have no opinion on the managers of the year as I think that a manager is never as good as he appears when his team is going well nor is he as inept as he appears when his team is going poorly.
Have you seen Minka Kelly in a bathing suit? If you did, I doubt you’d be calling her a back end starter.
CR9-
This is obscene.
The Yanks win 103 games even though they play in the toughest division, even though ARod was gone for over a month, even though they didn’t have a 4th and 5th starter, even though Posada was hurt and Zilla was gimpy, even though they play in the MOST demanding media market in the country, and Joe gets only 4 votes!!!!
yes nick!you know better than insulting middle east people!you owe then alot..or was it the other way around…?
i don’t think that the extension for Girardi is that big of a deal…Cash didn’tget an extension so no big deal Girardi will get his.
the man crushing on Mike Scoscia makes me sick! He’s a very good manager who is overrated in my eyes.
Roger, it’s good to put yourself in siutations that might see scary. I guarantee you will come back in two years with the best memories and new friends that you’d neverget staying home. Have fun!
I wonder if the two votes for Leyland came from Detroit sportswriters – they have a history of voting for the guys they cover. Verlander got a 1st place vote this year and Ordonez got two first place votes in ’07 (only 2 first place votes that didn’t go to Alex.
Many thanks vinny and vitus
It will be quite an adventure.And vitus..you know any good places in Hongkong to eat,drink…?
The Yanks win 103 games even though they play in the toughest division, even though ARod was gone for over a month, even though they didn’t have a 4th and 5th starter, even though Posada was hurt and Zilla was gimpy, even though they play in the MOST demanding media market in the country, and Joe gets only 4 votes!!!
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true. And like everyone else seems to forget, the Yankees lost their #2 pitcher (Wang) for the entire year
thanks 27
but leaving friend,familie(well…haha)and girlfriend won’t be easy.Don’t know how some of you guys who work abroud do this
“he was asked about overall difficulties of the season. John Lackey was injured when the season started. Kelvim Escobar started one game. Ervin Santana’s numbers dropped drastically.”
THAT’S what won him Manager of the Year?????? Give me a break…..sympathy vote plain and simple…..
What would be justice in my mind for Scoscia getting this award (undeserved) would be for the Angels to finish 3rd in their division next season and the following years there after till his contract is up.
Adenhart’s death was tragic, but it wasn’t something that would destroy a team’s chances through the season. It was a loss of talent, but I bet most of the players barely had any idea of who he was.
They turned him into this pagan worship item. Fans are talking about retiring his number and having an empty locker kept for him. The commercials on the Angels during the post season I found offensive and tasteless.
Scoscia is a decent manager, but I don’t think he deserved this award.
This type of thing is why those who vote on these awards really shouldn’t have that vote. Empathy shouldn’t give this award to the lesser manager. Frankly, the award should be done away with.
“Have you seen Minka Kelly in a bathing suit?”
Minka’s a pretty girl but her body is not swimsuit edition material.
Hey, I’m happy Girardi got ANY 1st place votes at all! A moral victory.
Congrats to Scioscia and Tracy.
All the managers had to deal with major injuries to their club.
The difference maker here was Adenhart’s death, like it or not. It is not normal circumstances. And while I was getting tired of the way television was trying to capitalize on this as a reason to watch the Angels in the post season, I really wouldn’t presume to know what was going on in the Anaheim clubhouse and how it may have affected that team.
In my mind, Scioscia, Gardenhire and Girardi were all worthy of the award. Only one can win, and as if often the case in these things, the tie goes to the most compelling story.
Maybe Jeter will get the MVP for his career efforts and the fact that he has already been screwed out of one.
Two if you count 1999.
Unfortunately, I think Jeter will finish 2nd to Mauer.
Tex 3rd.
Look, I can’t help it, but every once in a while I go to the GuyWhoUsedToWorkHereWhoseNameIForgot new blog to check on any more plagar..I mean, borrowed material.
The average comment size is about 5, with the blogmaster’s included for at least 1.
Buyer’s remorse?
L to the 2nd
November 18th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Unfortunately, I think Jeter will finish 2nd to Mauer.
Tex 3rd.
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I think you’re right. I think this will turn out to be a Yankee-free awards week.
But somehow, I don’t think any of them will care
“Minka’s a pretty girl but her body is not swimsuit edition material.”
To each their own, I guess. There have been some great scenes in Friday Night Lights.
Meh, who cares?
I bet they all feel they got the better end of the deal this year – a ring.
You have guys like the founder of this blog voting for these awards.
Did you expect anything less?
Doreen, Adenhart’s death was used (morbidly) by the whole team and it pulled them all together. It was tragic, but it happens in life all the time. Know what? Companies don’t close or go under when someone dies a tragic death.
It wasn’t like Adenhart was even known all that well in the clubhouse as he was just coming up.
Overcoming a death of a teammate who you barely know isn’t going to put that team into a tailspin. Yet the whole team was going out and practically worshiping the Adenhart sign. Every game they played it was talked about how they brought his jersey to the games. It has as much validity as the Phillies having to overcome a lot because H K died.
It was an out and out sympathy vote. The Mariners had a huge turn around from last year. Gardenhire would have been a better choice, even though I think he is overrated. Washington would have been a better choice.
In seeing how Scoscia managed the games in the ALCS its clear he is overrated.
“I bet they all feel they got the better end of the deal this year – a ring.”
I agree. If you ask Girardi what he’d rather have – Manager of the Year or WS champ, WS champ would win every time.
Woland
I agree, and not to sound crass or anything but it isn’t like the guy was a vet on the team. How many of the guys on the team really even knew him? I’m sorry if that makes me look bad, but it is the truth.
“It wasn’t like Adenhart was even known all that well in the clubhouse as he was just coming up.
Overcoming a death of a teammate who you barely know isn’t going to put that team into a tailspin. Yet the whole team was going out and practically worshiping the Adenhart sign. Every game they played it was talked about how they brought his jersey to the games. It has as much validity as the Phillies having to overcome a lot because H K died.”
I could see it if it had been Vlad or Lackey, but some kid that just got called up? Their behavior was shameful.
Normally I would be mad that Girardi didn’t win but Sciosia had to deal with an abnormal occurrence this season. It has to be incredibly hard dealing with the loss of Nick Adenhart.
Tracy definitely deserved his award. He put life back into that team. Also I think a lot of credit goes to Clint Hurdle, he set the foundation for the Rockies to succeed. I heard him on MLB Home plate on XM during the playoffs and he was really gracious towards the Rockies and Tracy. He’s a Rockie to the core and was rooting for those guys to win. I think most people would be angry about being let go, instead he was hoping for them to win.
jennifer
November 18th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I agree, and not to sound crass or anything but it isn’t like the guy was a vet on the team. How many of the guys on the team really even knew him? I’m sorry if that makes me look bad, but it is the truth.
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jennifer-very good point. I’d be interested to see how many of those guys honestly knew him and considered him a friend. I have a feeling it wouldn’t be very many.
I love Jeter, he’s my favorite player, but he doesn’t deserve the MVP this year. He should be the unanimous runner-up though…
I think it is more shameful that people here are making assumptions about Nick Adenhart’s relationship with other players on the team. What the hell do you guys know? Why would Torri Hunter and Co. pretend to be upset about his death? How do you know how many of the guys were in the minors with him in the past?
If you have ever had any experience on a sports team you would know you can become very close with people in a very short amount of time. You spend every single day and hours on end with these people. Often this time is spent isolated from your family which reinforces the bond that you have with these people. I have absolutely no problem believing that a lot of players on the Angels were severely affected by his death.
Playing sports in high school and college I would have been very upset about losing one of my teammates even if I had only known them for a couple of months or even a couple of weeks.
Honestly you know what matters. Opening day at Yankee Stadium Joe G will be raising the 2009 WS Championship flag. Nonsense awards like this mean nothing. Raising the flag and getting your ring that is what counts.
I don’t like the SOB, but Mike Scoisica deserved the Award….The Angels had a boatload of injuries ( remember they swept the Bombers in July without Hunter & Vladdy )….Pitching staff was held together with gum…..Give the dude his due….
The guy was with them for a few weeks. Do you honestly think Torii Hunter could pick the guy out of a lineup? Do you think Derek Jeter knows half the kids who are on the team in spring training? I’d bet NO.
Even if you look at it simply from a baseball standpoint, Nick Adenhart had a TON of potential and was ready to step into the rotation for at least 160 innings this year. Losing that production is a big hurdle to overcome and Sciosa should be commended.
Add in the circumstances of his loss and it definitely would hurt the team emotionally and simply from a production point of view.
jennifer
November 18th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
The guy was with them for a few weeks. Do you honestly think Torii Hunter could pick the guy out of a lineup? Do you think Derek Jeter knows half the kids who are on the team in spring training? I’d bet NO.
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Without a doubt. Again unless you have ever been around a sports team you have no idea what you are talking about. In spring training you are spending all day everyday with these people away from your family. You have no one else but them. When I was a senior in both high school and college I got close with freshman and sophomores in less than 2 weeks and vice versa. You have no clue what that experience is like.
Look at the freaking Yankees. The best player on the planet is best friends now with a minor league catcher. AROD and Cervelli got close hanging out for a couple of weeks. In your life you see your friends MAYBE a once or twice a week with a ton of other distractions in your life. With sports you see these people and only these people all day every day for over a month before the season even starts.
Jennifer, The kid ( Nick Adenhart ) threw an excellent game just hours before getting killed
It’s kind of absurd that some people on here are minimizing the death of a teammate. That’s all I’m going to say on this subject, I’m tired of thinking about it. It’s just a bit sickening that some people are brushing off losing a teammate like it’s nothing.
Roger I spent a little time in HK and loved it. Others here probably have more/better info.
My 2 cents
take a trip to Macau
and when at Lan Kwai Fong (touisty party area)
go to the Philipino Karoke bar
AND Insomia Bar to see “the No Name Band” at about 2:00 am
I’m telling you they are awesome.
oh AND
“City Hall” for dim sum
Adenhart was a talented young man with much ptoential and his passing was a tragedy. Don’t denegrate that to take shots at Scioscia.
Patrick, I don’t think anyone on here was brushing off Adenhart’s death, but a lot of people (myself included) were just wondering exactly how well the players actually knew him. It obviously had a very big effect on the entire team, and it must have been a terrible thing to go through.
“It obviously had a very big effect on the entire team, and it must have been a terrible thing to go through.”
Well if that’s obvious then it’s obvious that they knew him pretty well.
Patrick November 18th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Even if you look at it simply from a baseball standpoint, Nick Adenhart had a TON of potential and was ready to step into the rotation for at least 160 innings this year. Losing that production is a big hurdle to overcome and Sciosa should be commended.
Add in the circumstances of his loss and it definitely would hurt the team emotionally and simply from a production point of view.
Totally agree. And, not that the skill level of the player should really count in a matter such as this, but it’s hard not to note that the Angels losing Nick would have been akin to the Mariners losing Felix in his rookie year. It was a huge blow on an individual, emotional level as well as for the organization as a whole.
I guess until we’ve walked in those shoes, we can never know for sure, but it seems to me that was a LOT to overcome.
That said, glad to see Wak got some consideration. Goin’ from 101 losses to 85 wins doesn’t happen everyday
I don’t think people are taking shots at Scioscia per se, but if you base the MOY award on what REALLY happened during the year, a “sympathy” vote should not get that much play.
Gardenhire, Washington & Whackadoodle (the guy from Seattle) got FAR more out of their teams with much less talent – I would say any of them deserved it more than Scioscia – and not because he sounded like a dope about the Yankees at some rubber chicken dinner.
Joe didn’t have injuries to deal with? He lost Alex for over a month and their #2 pitcher basically for the whole year…….It honestly doesn’t matter that much to me – we got the ring and I know that’s all that matters to Girardi. He still deserves more respect than what he got…..and by the way, Soscia still has just the 1 WS title for, which is as many as Girardi now has.
Pat M -
I think you put your finger on it. The timing and nature of this young man’s death goes to the very core of a person’s humanity. It was sudden. It was unnecessary. And it had to make the guys left behind feel so vulnerable, how all of “this” could disappear in an instant. Hours before his death, he had so much promise!
Perhaps they were “showy” in their grief, but what they did as a team to deal with it really can’t be called into question. That’s why I distinguish between what the team did and what the networks did to exploit the situation.
I can only imagine how a manager would need to refocus his players in such a situation, and then on top of that go through the gamut of injuries (which all teams deal with). Any of the top three would have been deserving of MOY honors. I’m sure the Yankees are awre of and appreciate Girardi’s work this year.
Uncle Ellsworth
Thnx,But karoakebar??haha not my thing although I’ve heard good stories about chinees people singing..haha
Scioscia will always be in the mix for Manager of the Year because he’s an “active” manager and his ownership puts good players on the field.
He did a very good job this year. The Angels injuries/losses were worse than the Yanks, and they still won 97 games (I believe).
Unfairly, this is what a manager gets judged upon. It discounts the impact the players have on winning games. Who gets the credit for Matt Palmer’s success this year? Scioscia, Butcher, player development, scouting, or Palmer himself? It’s a very gray area. However, when voting for this award, the coaching staff will probably get the credit.
I think its nearly impossible to determine who the best manager was, simply because they don’t matter all that much. Jim Tracy went from being fired in Pittsburgh, to Manager of the Year in Colorado. There are so many factors at play, and the skill of the manager is a very small part of the equation.
Joe Girardi will Manage the all-star game in Anahiem. Its all good.
Who cares about the Manager of the Year award. The only thing that matters is the World Series crown. These other awards are nothing but a pat on the back for being second or third rate. The only thing I care about is upgrading the pitching staff so that number 28 comes to the Bronx next year.
Scioscia better enjoy this award because the Angels won’t be going anywhere in the near future.
Scosia IMO has always been a top-notch manager. I’m sure the Adenhart tragedy was a major distraction and he held his team together. I also think the Angel’s were a better team than those bums in Philly.
But I’m also a big Gardenhire fan and thought he should have won it as the Twins seemed to do more with less.
I mean the guy had Carl Pavano pitching for him and still managed to win the AL Central. The division was up for grabs and that team got white-hot when it mattered.
It’s not their fault they drew the best team in the ALDS.
Doreen, I woke up to that news report here in So. Cal….The news hadn’t released Nick’s name until his family was notified…..I was stunned, as I had watched him pitch just hours earlier…..Of course it didn’t have the same impact on me as when Thurman died, put it was once again an awakening in just how fragile life really is…….Nick was a young pitcher who was on his way….
No cheating….now answer this……who won the MOY awards last year?
Can’t remember?
Exactly. That’s how meaningful they are. Why get in a uproar because Scioscia got it? You think Girardi gives a c-ap? He just won the freaking WS!
All:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect each of you for having your own, but I think some of the comments here regarding Adenhart’s death and the reactions of the Angels are a little – if not a lot – over the top.
It is, at minimum, disrespectful to assume that any one Angel player didn’t know or care about Adenhart. We don’t know that and there is absolutely no reason to assume that his relationships with the “stars” were less-established just because he was either a) a younger player; or b) newer to the team. Relationships between players develop for different reasons and often are far from obvious – would anyone have thought Alex Rodriguez would become very close with Francisco Cervelli? I doubt it. Certainly if you asked people who follow the Angels to say who they thought A-Rod was close to, Cervelli almost surely wouldn’t be among the most popular guesses. So why should any of us who follow the Yankees think we have any insight into who did or did not care about Adenhart?
Beyond that, there is an inherent emotion attached to anyone that is a part of your “family.” Whether it’s a company, a team or any other group to which you belong, there is a connection that is very real. I don’t know many people who work at The Journal News because I’m rarely in the office, but that doesn’t mean I don’t feel a connection to each of them because we are all working together on a common project. I’d imagine some of you probably feel that way about members of this blog community. I know I do.
You can disagree with Scioscia as the manager of the year. That’s fine. It’s a fair debate to have. But don’t minimize what it’s like to be the leader of a group that endures a real tragedy. And don’t make assumptions about what did or did not go into the grief and recovery that group had to go through.
It’s callous. It’s unnecessary. It’s cheap. I like to think that our community here is better than that.
OK, that’s my piece. Thanks.
Sam
Very good post.Couldn’t agree more
btw,You’re doing a great job with this blog.Thanks for keeping a yankee fan from far far away so updated
Whooooo, http://www.stltoday.com
article:It’s best to ignore Scott Boras’ bombast.
Beat writter Bernie Miklasz slams Boras for the tactic he’s using with Holliday with the Cardinals.He wants 6/180mmm,more than Albert makes.Plus Albert’s contract is up in 2011.
Bernie does say two things I disagree with. Any team besides the Cardinals (of course) are stooges for signing Holliday.
He also blames Holliday for losing that game ball in gm 2 with the Dodgers.I remember the closer Ryan Franklin blowing the save,and La Russa keeping him in to give up the winning run!
Thanks for stepping in, Sam.
Sam, good stuff.
Nick Adenhart was a young man who died way before his time. First off, he had, just the night before, pitched the game of his young life….then, just like that, it was all gone. I have to believe that every single member of the organization got an unwelcome reminder of how fragile life is. Secondly, teams become families for over half the year. If you ask retired players what they miss most,it’s not the playing and the hard work it entails, but the cameraderie. Adenhar was in the clubhouse…….and then he was not. Athletes tend to think of themselves almost as immortals…..and so do fans. When athletes die in the midst of their careers (or at the beginning), like Darryl Kile or Corey Lidle, it’s a shock. We know people die, but it’s not supposed to happen to our favorite players. Even now, as my Yankees age and they go to old timers day, I think that one day they are going to start to pass and it saddens me a great deal. In a way, for fans and players, the players are forever young – reality isn’t supposed to touch them.
I’m not sure that I would have made Soscia manager of the year, but you can’t minimize the impact of Adenhart’s death especially in terms of the humanity. This kid lost his life and his parents lost a son. That’s brutal
Sam, you are entitled to your opinion, just like the rest of us. In my opinion, the reaction that the media, the fans and the team had to NA’s death was over the top. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.
Roger(live from Amsterdam)
November 18th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Uncle Ellsworth
Thnx,But karoakebar??haha not my thing although I’ve heard good stories about chinees people singing..haha
You don’t have to sing – its a good place to have beers.
you must go to Insomia one of the funnest bands on the planet. (they may also be clalled blade – they are fillipino
Thanks, Sam for that post. Thats almost exactly what I was thinking as I was reading down the comments.
I’ve come to grips that no Yankee manager is winning Manager of the Year unless the payroll is 80 mill or less.
Either Gardendhire or the guy in Seattle should have gotten it.
The only thing that was sick was when the media used Adenharts death as the reason why the Angels were going to beat all the teams that stood in their way in the playoffs. Don’t you guys recall the media playing up Adenharts death as the reason why the Yankees were going to lose in the ALCS ?
I’m surprised the sports”writers” didn’t name Nick Adenhart Rookie of the Year.
sanspo.com reports that the Yanks will lose 15 million if they fail to re-up with Matsui….Unless you can read Japanese, the article is useless…..
Laura – Bring back Matsui in 2010!
November 18th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Sam, you are entitled to your opinion, just like the rest of us. In my opinion, the reaction that the media, the fans and the team had to NA’s death was over the top. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.
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You are entitled to your opinion but you have not provided anything that validates your opinion in terms of the team reaction to his death.
It is ridiculous and frankly a bit ignorant to think that you could know how those guys were affected by his death considering (1) you were not in that clubhouse and (2) you have never been in a clubhouse/locker room atmosphere.
I wonder if Charlie Manuel will be named NL manager of the year. After all, the team had to deal with the death of Harry Kalas.
Uncle Ellsworth
Thnx.A fillipino band,good beer and dim sum…That sounds like a good night
Did you see this:
Does Alex Rodriguez keep a portrait of himself as a centaur above his bed? Kate Hudson, the slugger’s girlfriend and one of the few persons in this world who could answer that question, has laughed off the rumor as “horrible” and “the craziest thing anyone has ever asked me.”
MTV News sat down with the actress to discuss ‘Nine,’ but pivoted the interview to talk centaurs and whether there was any validity to Us Weekly’s report that A-Rod commissions artists to make him into a half-man, half-horse creature.
http://www.popeater.com/2009/1.....?icid=main|aim|dl2|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popeater.com%2F2009%2F11%2F17%2Falex-rodriguez-centaur-photo-kate-hudson%2F
video/article included
Mike Scioscia will be hard pressed to win the AL West in 2010 unless Artie Moreno signs at least 2 of Figgins, Guerrero, and Lackey.
Their bullpen needs upgrading and Hunter is beginning to slow down.
They’re not likely to be players in any blockbuster deals at the winter meetings in December.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect each of you for having your own,…
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I’m sorry but given the whole post after that negates the first part.
I found the manner in which the Angels organization and the team exploited Adenhart’s death to be tasteless and crass. I found the over the top showing of the team going out each home game and touching his picture disturbing and inappropriate.
I lost my brother to illness when he was young. Having served in the military I know what its like to have someone die standing right next you. I know how that hurts, but you go on and you do your duty or your job. Over a six month period of time you don’t forget, but I felt outraged by the way his death was exploited by MLB and the organization.
I have every right to feel moral outrage at how this organization had treated his death. Yes, it was tragic. So was Liddle’s death. So was Munson’s. That doesn’t give license to behave in the manner they did. Real grief isn’t putting on a show for the benefit of the fans. It comes in the quiet times. Ostentatious displays ring hollow, and that is how I felt with the manner in which that team acted.
Uncle Ellsworth, what’s the attraction of Macau? Casinos? Race track? Extra-friendly people?
And please don’t take offense, macau yankee fans, I have never been and I’m ignorant of its charms.
Thank you Sam!!
Yankees just won the WS,there is plenty to celebrate in Yankee Universe too.
Where’s Erica? I think we need to start a Muppet discussion.
Sam,
You’re too nice.
Just tell us to get a life or play in traffic and be done with it.
Actually, those comments are kind of warranted in this particular case.
C’mon Yankees fans were better than this nonsense.Death is serious and sad.Yankees lost a pitcher flying in a plane in NY,and IT WAS HEART WRENCHING watching his widow and family,remember?
Rishi-I did see that the other day. It looks like there was nothing to those “taking a break” rumors. I missed it, but the cast of Nine went on Oprah today, and I guess Oprah was asking Kate about Alex.
Nick in SF in Elk Grove
November 18th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Uncle Ellsworth, what’s the attraction of Macau? Casinos? Race track? Extra-friendly people?
And please don’t take offense, macau yankee fans, I have never been and I’m ignorant of its charms.
Aha, you see I’ve never been there – just want to go.
It does have the old buildings – so I’m told- that HK does not. It just sounded cool to me – they do have Gambling for you
“All the managers had to deal with major injuries to their club.”
Yeah but even minus ARod, Girardi still had tons more talent and firepower at his disposal than ANY team, probably any two teams combined. Swisher would be the cleanup hitter, not 8th hitter, on probably 24 other teams.
Girardi didn’t deserve it. Gardenhire did.
Sam
I’m glad you spoke up. Thanks.
The media over exposed the unfortunate event that was Nick’s death……The Angel Organization went out of their way to comfort his family and did not exploit his death……Listen, I live in Orange County & I detest the Angels and their fans…However it was the National media that pushed it upon the Nation…..
Uncle Ellsworth: I’m not big on table games, though I do enjoy Texas Hold ‘Em. But I don’t have to go to Macau for that.
Maybe the trip itself is part of the attraction, I’ve heard you can take a hydrafoil. I’ve heard other things too, but they’re not fit for the Yankee blog of a family newspaper.
(again, don’t take offense macau yankee fans)
Roger if you are still there:
“City Hall”
“Hong Kong’s most famous Dim Sum restaurant, City Hall deserves its hefty reputation for quality Dim Sum cuisine. City Hall is also one of the few remaining restaurants that still deliver Dim Sum on a traditional cart. This is the way Dim Sum was traditionally delivered, allowing you to simply point at what you want, unfortunately, aside from City Hall this has been phased out in nearly all Hong Kong Dim Sum restaurants. The food here is excellent, however it’s reputation has seen prices creep-up, although the combination of experience and food make it worthwhile. 2nd Floor, City Hall, Central “.
I had one of the best Indian meals of my life in Hong Kong. And a decent pastrami deli sandwich too. I wasn’t in the mood for Chinese.
Nick in SF in Suisun City
November 18th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Uncle Ellsworth: I’m not big on table games, though I do enjoy Texas Hold ‘Em. But I don’t have to go to Macau for that.
Maybe the trip itself is part of the attraction, I’ve heard you can take a hydrafoil. I’ve heard other things too, but they’re not fit for the Yankee blog of a family newspaper.
(again, don’t take offense macau yankee fans)
Also featured in my favorite James Boond movie. The Man With The Golden Gun.
You mean your favorite early-70′s Roger Moore James Bond movie, right?
Either Gardendhire or the guy in Seattle should have gotten it.
Is Wakamatsu really that much harder to spell than Gardenhire?
Come to think of it, Scioscia is the hardest.
“reports that the Yanks will lose 15 million if they fail to re-up with Matsui…”
Does it say what the source of the 15 million they are losing is?
OK, so we’re kinda entrenched in a rivalry now between Boston AND Anaheim.
Interesting.
Funny thing (and kinda not funny) is that we could outspend both.
pat,
Japanese marketing.
Japan revenue.
pat
November 18th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
“reports that the Yanks will lose 15 million if they fail to re-up with Matsui…”
Does it say what the source of the 15 million they are losing is?
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Japanese revenue
Interesting information about revenue sharing from a Madden article:
“Last year, Major League Baseball transferred approximately $400 million in revenue sharing and luxury tax — a little more than 25 percent of that coming from the Yankees alone. The Indians received slightly more that $20 million and the Pirates — despite their beautiful, eight-year old taxpayer-funded stadium — received over $40 million. This is how MLB rewards incompetent ownership. In addition to that, all major league teams received stipends of $35 million from the MLB central fund, which includes revenue from licensing, properties, national TV and advanced media. So going in, the Indians had approximately $55 million in the bank offset by their $81 million payroll – a deficit of about $25 million before they sold one ticket. The Pirates had about $75 million in the bank, offset by their $48 million payroll, which means they had a profit of $35 million before they sold one ticket. And this doesn’t even include what these teams additionally reap from their local TV and radio rights and in-house concessions, advertising, signage, parking, etc.”
Pat M – just out of curiosity, what do you have against the Angels and their fans? Are they obnoxious, don’t really follow baseball, tiredsome act….Just curious. Are they similar to Boston?
Nick in SF in Suisun City
November 18th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
You mean your favorite early-70’s Roger Moore James Bond movie, right?
No fave All- time.
I know it is some sort of Sacrledge to like Moore over Connery But this one has:
Christopher Lee
Maud Adams
Herve Villichez (sp)
Britt Ekland
And Clifton James as JW Pepper.
and a really cool gun.
ANd it was also on 300 times on HBO when I was in my formative years.
Erin
November 18th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Rishi-I did see that the other day. It looks like there was nothing to those “taking a break” rumors. I missed it, but the cast of Nine went on Oprah today, and I guess Oprah was asking Kate about Alex.
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there was also something about an MTV interview and clips…good for them – she sounded really happy and didn’t want to talk about it…good for her and good for them!
Hi everyone! I’m back!
And “Live and Let Die” is the Best Bond Song
That’s very sad, Uncle Ellsworth. Very sad indeed.
The hillbilly sheriff alone should disqualify it from consideration.
The Kowloon scenes are kind of cool, though.
So be it if we lose Japanese revenue. The Yankees need to do what is right for their team on the field…..and if Matsui rejects their offer, and they have to move on, again – so be it.
Uncle Ellsworth (much adieu about nothing)
November 18th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
And “Live and Let Die” is the Best Bond Song
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Absolutely.
” Does it say what the source of the 15 million they are losing is?”
Most of it is probably in TV rights that they sell to whatever Japanese station airs all of those games.
There’s also a lot of Japanese ads at the stadium.
I watched Kate on Oprah. Scary how much she reminds me of Goldie in the clip they showed.
She would only say they met each other years ago, she is very happy and she’s uncomfortable knowing how much of her personal life she should discuss in public.
pat
November 18th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
I watched Kate on Oprah. Scary how much she reminds me of Goldie in the clip they showed.
She would only say they met each other years ago, she is very happy and she’s uncomfortable knowing how much of her personal life she should discuss in public.
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pat, thanks for the Oprah recap. I was disappointed I missed it. Who else was on-did the whole cast go?
If I have to constantly hear that the Yankees bought the Championship then, it’s only fair that Scioscia will have to constantly hear that he won Mgr. of the Year based on a sympathy vote.
Joe From Long Island……They’re bandwagoners for the most part, and very anti-Yankee……My wife a born Angel fan & when the Yanks lose to them we hardly talk…They’re gloating reminds me of fingernails on a blackboard….
pat-I should clarify-I know the cast was on, but I wasn’t sure exactly who went. All I heard for sure was Kate and Nicole Kidman.
Rally sticks…thunder monkeys…’nuff said.
“Interesting information about revenue sharing from a Madden article:”
Thanks for posting that.
Every year the Yanks contribute to the luxury tax AND win the WS, they should be able to get their money back.
They contributed… it couldn’t put the lesser teams over the hump. Tough break, give us our money back, losers.
I love Goldie Hawn – she was in two of my all-time favorite movies: Foul Play and Seems Like Old Times, both with Chevy Chase……If you like to laugh, you’ve got to see both. Charles Grodin is in the latter – he’s just hilarious.
I have every right to feel moral outrage at how this organization had treated his death. Yes, it was tragic. So was Liddle’s death. So was Munson’s. That doesn’t give license to behave in the manner they did. Real grief isn’t putting on a show for the benefit of the fans. It comes in the quiet times. Ostentatious displays ring hollow, and that is how I felt with the manner in which that team acted.
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It is nice to know that you have decided for everyone in the world how they should grieve based on how you grieve. People grieve in very different ways and again none of you people have any idea what the Angels players went through. I do not know why you think they would put on a show. What do the players gain from that?
And yeah how awful of those Angels to honor their teammate before every game. What are they thinking to do such a thing….
“Joe From Long Island……They’re bandwagoners for the most part, and very anti-Yankee……My wife a born Angel fan & when the Yanks lose to them we hardly talk…They’re gloating reminds me of fingernails on a blackboard….”
I second this. I lived in OC for 3 years (when the Angels were good) – they are insuffarable.
They’re kind of like Patriots fans… garbage franchise that finally does some things right, wins a championship, and everyone pretends that they’ve been living and dying with the team for all these years.
The Angels will never be revered as much as the Dodgers.
The Dodgers have the history (and Vin Scully).
The Angels are like the Clippers and Mets – viable because market size, but ultimately irrelevant step-sisters.
At least you can assume most of the obnoxious Red Sox fans have been following a team. Angel fans will talk trash, then later admit to not knowing more than 4 or 5 players.
Betsy
November 18th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
I love Goldie Hawn – she was in two of my all-time favorite movies: Foul Play and Seems Like Old Times, both with Chevy Chase……If you like to laugh, you’ve got to see both. Charles Grodin is in the latter – he’s just hilarious.
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Betsy, I love Foul Play. My favorite Goldie movie is Overboard. I’ve never seen Seems Like Old Times
Erin
Daniel Day Lewis, Nicole Kidman, Penelope Cruz, Marion Cottilard and Kate.
Oprah showed Kate pictures from the WS parade with fans holding up Thank You Kate signs which made her uncomfortable and giggly and then asked how they met which made her giggle more.
When Kate was uncomfortable talking about that, Oprah said I better not ask about you shopping for a house together like the tabloids are claiming and Kate said we’re not engaged or pregnant either.
That was about it. Look on the Oprah website. They may have a clip.
Thanks pat!!
Betsy, I love Foul Play. My favorite Goldie movie is Overboard. I’ve never seen Seems Like Old Times
All good. Overboard was a hoot.
Private Benjamin….Cactus Flower..Buterflies are free… sugarland Express
Ironic Girardi was third when he beat the two other managers in playoff series.
“In addition to that, all major league teams received stipends of $35 million from the MLB central fund, ”
So that means Tex and AJ are pretty much freebies.
Hello Lackey and Holliday!
To quote our former blogfather:
“At my signal, unleash money!”
I’m OK with fans of other teams, who know their teams, and who can talk intelligently about them and the sport. But, I have little tolerance for sunshine, or bandwagon, fans, who pretend that they are real. That sort of attitude would drive me crazy, too.
Betsy
November 18th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
I love Goldie Hawn – she was in two of my all-time favorite movies: Foul Play and Seems Like Old Times, both with Chevy Chase……If you like to laugh, you’ve got to see both. Charles Grodin is in the latter – he’s just hilarious.
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How irresistible is she in Butterflies are Free, when she tells off Eileen Heckert’s character?
Erin, you have got to see Seems Like Old Times. Goldie plays a lawyer, Grodin her assistant DA hubby, Chase her ex-hubby, Robert Guillaume Grodin’s atty pal….In the movie, Chevy Chase’s character is framed for a robbery he didn’t commit and looks to his ex-wife for help. I know it sounds banal, but you will laugh until you cry – I promise,lol. There are so many good things about Foul Play, including the song – but then, I love Barry Manilow.
I’ve never seen Overboard. Private Benjamin was good – haven’t seen that in years, though.
“Daniel Day Lewis, Nicole Kidman, Penelope Cruz, Marion Cottilard and Kate.”
I’m sorry but does this mean that Daniel Day Lewis and Kate Hudson are in a movie together?
If so,
& :anger:
Bodh, I’ve never heard of Butterflies are Free……..I just love her because she’s absolutely adorable and sweet. I did see First Wives Club – that was pretty good. Also, a movie from the late 80′s (I think) where she plays a waitress who gets shot in the behind and ends up becoming an ambassador. It was kind of cute, but not even close to being in the same class as the other movies I mentioned.
Erin
November 18th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Where’s Erica? I think we need to start a Muppet discussion.
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Erica’s job is RUINING HER LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just got home. I worked late and then had to do neverending errands. I have groceries to put away, my feet hurt, and I really wish with all of my heart and soul that dinner would just magically appear
Deep breath……………
Erin
November 18th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Betsy
November 18th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
I love Goldie Hawn – she was in two of my all-time favorite movies: Foul Play and Seems Like Old Times, both with Chevy Chase……If you like to laugh, you’ve got to see both. Charles Grodin is in the latter – he’s just hilarious.
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Betsy, I love Foul Play. My favorite Goldie movie is Overboard. I’ve never seen Seems Like Old Times
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I am with you. Overboard wins in a landslide
Betsy
Overboard, Butterflies are Free and Cactus Flower are must sees if you like her. Protocol was the one where she is a diplomat.
First wives Club .. eh
I bet Brandon hasn’t watched one Kate Hudson movie. Not even Raising Helen
Uncle Ellsworth (much adieu about nothing)
November 18th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
I bet Brandon hasn’t watched one Kate Hudson movie. Not even Raising Helen
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I have Bride Wars saved on my DVR
“..does this mean that Daniel Day Lewis and Kate Hudson are in a movie together?”
Nine. The movie version of the play 8 1/2 coming out next month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
A sort of homage to the Fellini Film 8 1/2 is it not?
Uncle Ellsworth, that’s it -Protocol – thanks! I wonder if the other movies are available on DVD…..I almost never rent movies, but with lots of time to pass during the off-season, maybe now is the time to start.
Erica and I must be running parallel lives.
It’s been work work work lately. Lots of deadlines for Friday.
Hopefully next week will be better.
Doing a quick skim – great post by Sam @ 5:28 pm.
Eloquent, well thought out, great points – I swear this guy must be a writer or something.
DT – OPPC member
November 18th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Erica and I must be running parallel lives.
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The bigger problem is that my job caught on to my LoHud addiction and they are watching my internet usage like crazy…..
I guess they were not fans of GTLU either
I’m sorry to hear that, Erica.
I know exactly how you feel. I am in blog Siberia during the day.
Yeah it’s the movie version of a musical that was based on 8 1/2.
Actually, the cast is amazing. Beytond waht was mentioned there’s also Judi Dench and Sophia Loren.
Same guy that directed the Chicago movie Rob Marshall
Screenplay by Anthony Minghella.
Major players.
Could be the best Lohud Oscar bet since Slumdog.
Could be the best Lohud Oscar bet since Slumdog.
“The Road” bank on it.
I have Bride Wars saved too! I am waiting for a time when I can watch it without enduring “not a chick flick” mockery from the other half, lol.
Where I work, the IT police use a program called Baracuda to block this site, so I have to try to catch up at night.
They must be Mets’ fans.
Betsy-I will definitely check out Seems Like Old Times. Sounds very funny.
Erica – always OPPC
November 18th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
I have Bride Wars saved on my DVR
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Erica, you’ll have to let me know how that is. I’ve been debating whether to record it or not.
“The Road” bank on it.”
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Read it last year. Intense stuff.
Probably too dark for the Academy.
My personal favorite, from ESPN Peter Gammons a few years back.
“Essentially, there’s nothing on the market except for Tony Armas, which has been discussed, so if spring training were to open Monday, 28-year-old Devern Hansack, the Nicarauguan veteran who threw a five inning no-hitter the last day of the season, would be the first choice as closer.”
LOL
Real grief isn’t putting on a show for the benefit of the fans. It comes in the quiet times. Ostentatious displays ring hollow, and that is how I felt with the manner in which that team acted.
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People deal with grief in a variety of ways though. What works for one person, doesn’t for another. And just because it doesn’t fit the mold of what others deem to be “real grief” doesn’t make it any less genuine or heartfelt. Its all about intent and feelings.
More Peter
“The Red Sox believe that if and when Hansen remembers that his 95-98 mph four-seamer is a complementary, hittable pitch, goes back to his 92-95 mph sinker and regains consistency with his Brad Lidge slider, then he can eventually close. So can Bryce Cox, their third-round pick out of Rice who blew through the system. ”
I’ll do the honors for Peter, since he has no professionalism in his decaying corpse. Take out Hansen’s name, and insert Dave Robertson’s (eventually close).
Where did Bryce Cox go?
Bronx Jeers
November 18th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
“The Road” bank on it.”
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Read it last year. Intense stuff.
Probably too dark for the Academy.
Unlike these feel good movies.
Silence of the Lambs
Unforgiven
Schlindler’s List
English Patient
Titanic
Million Dollar Baby
The Departed
No Country for Old Men
Bryce Cox.
He blew through their system.
Did Peter mean that Cox blew through his own system like the other gas he has passed (other Red Sox prospects)?
Angel – in an Empire State of mind. #27 has arrived!
November 18th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
I have Bride Wars saved too! I am waiting for a time when I can watch it without enduring “not a chick flick” mockery from the other half, lol.
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I think it will be on my agenda for this weekend when I am in hair hibernation
Read it last year. Intense stuff.
Probably too dark for the Academy.
Unlike these feel good movies.
Silence of the Lambs
Unforgiven
Schlindler’s List
English Patient
Titanic
Million Dollar Baby
The Departed
No Country for Old Men
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Good One!!!!!! LOL
If you like 60′s music go see Pirate Radio!
“Seems Like Old Times. Goldie plays a lawyer, Grodin her assistant DA hubby, Chase her ex-hubby, Robert Guillaume Grodin’s atty pal….In the movie, Chevy Chase’s character is framed for a robbery he didn’t commit and looks to his ex-wife for help”
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4 star movie. This movie never gets tired
The Road-saw the previews-Viggo Mortensen did same acting in History of Violence.
“If you like 60’s music go see Pirate Radio!”
go for it Erica.
I do not know how anyone can hate Scott Boras. Baseball is the only business in the world where people get mad when the “working class” gets paid top dollar for their services and he pushes rich owners to take the money out of their pockets and actually invest in their team.
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Boras said there is a way to settle the discrepancy — by requiring clubs in the next collective-bargaining agreement to disclose the amount of money they receive from the central fund and from revenue sharing.
“Fans have a right to know what money their team is given,” Boras said. “If clubs don’t want to disclose it, then don’t accept the subsidy. If they do want to accept it, disclose it. Their choice.”
I think it’ll be darker than all of those.
All of those films have tragic themes or are just pleasantly twisted with fun to like villains but if this movie really follows the book?
It could be 2 straight hours of white-knuckled fear and despair.
The ending is sort of positive but by then you’re just too screwed up to really feel good about it. Maybe they’ll “hollywood” it up a little bit and give viewers a reprieve but no one should be leaving the theater particularly upbeat.
Goldie Hawn and Warren Beatty in Shampoo-another good movie!
Bronx Jeers
November 18th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
I think it’ll be darker than all of those.
All of those films have tragic themes or are just pleasantly twisted with fun to like villains but if this movie really follows the book?
— All of Them ?– I’ll grant you that The Road may well be darker – but the idea that the Acadamy is not smitten with dark subject matter is just wrong –
It could be 2 straight hours of white-knuckled fear and despair.
The ending is sort of positive but by then you’re just too screwed up to really feel good about it. Maybe they’ll “hollywood” it up a little bit and give viewers a reprieve but no one should be leaving the theater particularly upbeat.
BY all accounts it is near perfect adapatation of the book.
If it is not Best Picture it will lose to Inglorious Basterds – because of its Holocost themes
“Real grief isn’t putting on a show for the benefit of the fans. It comes in the quiet times. Ostentatious displays ring hollow, and that is how I felt with the manner in which that team acted.”
Do you know what is in the hearts of the Angel team? Since you don’t, your opinion is worthless.
Acadamy Awards are a hobby, I’m not just makin yhis stuff up.
Academy – spelling is not a hobby
Don’t get me wrong Uncle E because I love most of those movies you mentioned and I think it’s great when the Academy recognizes these kinds of films….but let’s just say that as of right now, “Nine” looks like the champ on paper.
Of course they still have to “play the games”
Do you think accuscore does Oscar voting?
I saw the Play ” Nine ” about five years ago on Broadway with Antonio Bandaras, Chita Rivera, Mary Stuart Matherson, Jane Krowaski ( who stole the show ) and it was great…With Rob Marshall producing this film and it appears to be right in line with his ” Chicago ” film there will be Oscar Nominations galore…….
Erica – always OPPC November 18th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
The bigger problem is that my job caught on to my LoHud addiction and they are watching my internet usage like crazy…..
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How do they do that?
Do you know what is in the hearts of the Angel team? Since you don’t, your opinion is worthless.
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So is yours. I laid out my opinion and stated how I felt. You just give out an insult. Really classy of you.
Stop behaving as if grief is the provence of a few.
We all, unfortunately, eventually will be pierced to the heart’s core by grief. That’s how it works on the earth plane. There is no preparation for it. I know life doesn’t end on this planet, I know we’re eternal, I know we’re bound by love and will meet again. I know it beyond knowing. And yet – grief absolutely sucks.
So why fight about how it should be felt or expressed? What we need is to comfort one another and be free to feel however we feel. We’re all in the same boat.
Abdababdaserser
Read Sam’s post.
Like I said before, you don’t know what is in the hearts of the Angel players. This is how they handled their grief. Sorry they didn’t handle it the way you wanted.
Rose
Do you know what is in the hearts of the Angel team? Since you don’t, your opinion is worthless.
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Abdababdaserser
November 18th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
So is yours. I laid out my opinion and stated how I felt. You just give out an insult. Really classy of you.
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I do not know how much credibility you have insulting someone else’s class when you are trotting around minimizing the death of a human being and saying the Angels put on a show, because apparently they did not grieve the “right way.”
Also, her opinion is not worthless because it is actually based on something. She saw a team upset over a fallen teammate. She saw a team who tried to include this fallen teammate in everything they did this year. She saw a team pay tribute to their teammate before every game and make sure his memory was not forgotten just because the season must go on. She based her opinion on this and unless you have facts to say otherwise it is the most reasonable explanation to say they were grieving.
Your opinion is worthless because you just made up something in your head based on who knows what and tried to pass it as fact. That would be quite a show by the Angels if indeed they were “faking” it as you suggest. And to gain what? Nothing.