Lincecum wins second straight Cy
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Tim Lincecum won the NL Cy Young for a second straight year, narrowly beating Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright.
Lincecum (11 first place votes) actually received one fewer first-place vote than Wainwright (12), but finished with 100 points in the 5-3-1 voting. Carpenter was second with 94 points and Wainwright third with 90.
UPDATE, 2:04 p.m.: Here’s the full balloting. The only other time a pitcher won the Cy Young Award without the most first-place votes was 1998, when the Tom Glavine had 11 to Trevor Hoffman’s 13.
Tim Lincecum, San Francisco Giants — 11 – 12 – 9 — 100 points
Chris Carpenter, St. Louis Cardinals — 9 – 14 – 7 — 94 points
Adam Wainwright, St. Louis Cardinals — 12 – 5 – 15 — 90 points
Javier Vazquez, Atlanta Braves — 0 – 1 – 0 — 3 points
Dan Haren, Arizona Diamondbacks — 0 – 0 – 1 – 1 point
UPDATE, 2:53 p.m.: Chad here. Didn’t want to start a new post just yet, but USA Today’s Bob Nightengale has posted on Twitter that the Yankees are making Nick Swisher available. That’s not the same as trying to trade Swisher, it could simply mean the Yankees are willing to include him in a deal that brings another right fielder. Or it could mean his name was brought up and the Yankees didn’t label him as untouchable.
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Chad Jennings
2 cy youngs or not, he needs a haircut real bad.
Good, that is how it should be. Carpenters 192 IP should of made him a non-contender.
Can’t argue, he’s DOMINANT.
Time to roll a fat one, Timmy. Congrats. Timmy’s gonna pull some tubes today, boy!
Wow, Lincecum would have been my third choice amongst those three. Look at Carpenter! 17-4 with a 2.24? How does he not get that Cy Young for that. Lincecum did strike out a lot more but he lost half as many games as he won. Carpenter won 2 more games and lost 3 fewer games – a 5 game swing. Strikeouts are great and all but this is not an award for most strikeouts.
Thank goodness they got it right.
The BBWAA has been surprisingly good this year. Very, very, very surprising from them.
Carpenter only started 4 fewer games than Lincecum. His IP should not be an issue. 190+ innings is enough of a sample size.
Wow, Lincecum would have been my third choice amongst those three. Look at Carpenter! 17-4 with a 2.24? How does he not get that Cy Young for that. Lincecum did strike out a lot more but he lost half as many games as he won.
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So did grienke.
I love how people actually care about things like someones hair, who gives a crap?? This isn’t the military. Get a life.
Way dude
Tex’s Friend: Grienke was on a team that scored less for him and had a poorer defense.
I mean, look, Carpenter even got the most first place votes, that means, that despite the voting structure, more voters felt that he deserved the CY over Lincecum.
Cool.
So now the Cy Young award can become “A place to keep your weed.”
I just have to share this. I believe A-Rod and kate hudson are not dating. Did you see her on Oprah yesterday? Rumors were they met in May, 2009 she said she knew him for years even when he was married. I believe A-Rod played the media when the media believe they were playing him. He knew that if he pretending to be dating a white woman, blonde hair blue eyes, etc. that the baseball world, which is predominantly white, would accept him back in spite of the steroids, etc. Kate Hudson and A-Rod won. She got a movie out the deal and he is back on top. Now the both of them can go on with their lives until the next time they need to play you guys.
Look at the rest of his stats, look at oppenents batting average, complete games, almost double the amount of strike outs. Carpenter only won 2 more games, the 3 more losses is nothing…look at the Cardinals offense. Lincecum had 4 no decisions in games he gave up none or one run. Good thing the writers look at all the stats and not just the ones they read on a blog.
Lincecum faced 150 more batters than Carpenter and only gave up 12 more hits.
I’m just saying.
I love how people actually care about things like someones hair, who gives a crap?? This isn’t the military. Get a life.
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Well he actually does have to cut that caveman hair once he finally comes to the Yankees. Its just the Yankee way.
So now that he has 2 Cy Youngs. Does his video game double get this years one?
Bronx Jeers
November 19th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Cool.
So now the Cy Young award can become “A place to keep your weed.”
Classic – Rob Schneider being funny – rare
Heyman on the radio right now saying that the Angels would like to move Juan Rivera – while the Angels and Yankees may not be in much of a mood to help each other out – I would love to bring Juan Rivera back to the Bronx.
Maybe a Rivera for Melancon, Melky & another prospect swap makes sense.
Of course the reason the Angels want to move Rivera is to open up a spot (and some cash) for Holliday so I don’t know that the Yankees would want to help them out with that.
I agree – Lincecum is filthy, and deserved the award this year. He’s an absolute menace on the bump.
They’ll have to re-name it to the “Cy Bong” or “High Young” award though..
Rumors were they met in May? Well since rumors are always 100%, then i must agree with you. A-Rod and Kate are a farce. Good thing we have a master detective here like ‘jason’ to keep everything in perspective.
Maybe a Rivera for Melancon, Melky & another prospect swap makes sense.
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Really? Did you see Rivera in Left field? Rather give Damon what he wants. If the yankees give up three people it will not be for Juan Rivera.
Maybe a Rivera for Melancon, Melky & another prospect swap makes sense.
Why?
Dave
actually Lincecum had more 1st place votes than Carp (11-9) Wainwright had the most 1st place votes 12 and fewest 2nd place votes
I dont care if Alex is dating Kate. All i know is he better have a seat reserved for her for next years playoff run and maybe on his payroll.
Swish on the block?
http://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/5863286864
jason-they met long before May. There were reports of them being together last winter in Miami.
I wonder what linceum will do to celebrate this?!?
Tex’s Friend: Grienke was on a team that scored less for him and had a poorer defense.
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So? 2.42 ERA and 262 Ks?
Clearly the record is not his fault, as it wasnt Grienke’s.
“Maybe a Rivera for Melancon, Melky & another prospect swap makes sense.”
Rivera doesn’t worth a Melancon. nice try.
“Strikeouts are great and all but this is not an award for most strikeouts.”
Nor is it an award for best winning percentage.
I thought we were all in agreement that you can’t accurately base a pitcher success by his win/loss record.
I just cant believe they dont take in to account how they faired in the all star game. I thought that THIS TIME IT REALLY REALLY COUNTS?
“Maybe a Rivera for Melancon, Melky & another prospect swap makes sense.”
Chip – Melky is on the way up and Juan has leveled off and he can’t run. Melancon still has a lot of optimism surrounding him.
What up?
Not that it matters since the Yankees and Angels aren’t going to make the deal but:
A- I would play Rivera in RF not LF
B- Yes, I would rather have Juan Rivera (and his 20+ HR a year, .275 BA and 90 RBI) than a minor league relief pitcher who looked terrified to throw strikes in the majors.
What makes you think Melky’s on the way up?
It’s just as likely Melky is what he is. A useful fourth outfielder. The big problem with him is that he’s entering his arbitration years where he’s due to make more money than he’s worth.
I’d rather have rivera than melancon too, but you said 3 people. not when it is melancon, our starting cf, and a good prospect.
I can’ believe people are actually stupid enough to say Lincecum got respectable run support. The Giants’ offense is nonexistent. IIRC their team OBP is .304, and that’s with Pablo Sandoval’s good OBP.
Swish on the trading block? I guess it isn’t so quiet as the headline indicates. Cash has got something up his sleeve. That would be too bad, I liked his enthusiasm and what he brought to the team.
“Clearly the record is not his fault, as it wasnt Grienke’s.”
Definitely not. The Giants most common 4 and 5 hitters? Bengie Molina and Randy Winn, respectively. Not to mention Edger Renteria was their 2 hitter… he of the .307 OBP. YIKES.
You don’t trade 3 players for Juan Rivera.
Arod and Kate are still dating. Close as ever.
Any of you seen Lincecum pitch?
I’ve seen him a couple times, watched him in September in that big series vs. Colorado at PacBell and he was DOMINANT.
This guy, if he stays healthy, will be one of the best ever.
Chip,
I agree with the proven he can hang in the mlb player. But didnt Rivera and Posada have some beef in a game in 07? He does have bad wheels though.
I also thought Melancon was our next closer? I just hope Ajax lives up to the hype. K’s are high and power isnt there. He was being compared at one time to Hunter. Too many failed minor leaguers. Mcpherson, the guy we all wanted at third that was cut by the Indians, etc.
Proven in the mlb over potential in the minor league all day.
“An MLB executive tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that the Yankees plan to pursue free agent relievers Rafael Soriano and Mike Gonzalez. However, another source tells Rosenthal that the Yanks intend to develop relievers from within the organization.”
didn’t the Pirates wanted Melky for Gonzalez 3 years ago? Soriano is be a nice addition to the pen.
it’s just as likely? a useful 4th outfielder? he was our starting cf on a championship team.
what exactly has juan rivera proven in the majors? I’ll take Melky’s championship ring, over Juan Rivera’s ‘better’ production.
Arod and Kate are still dating. Close as ever.
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Well there you have it. I’ll take a SJ rumor on Alex over anyone. Now we can move past the good luck charm being a hoax.
9 times this year Lincecum gave up 3 ER or less and didn’t get a win.
“9 times this year Lincecum gave up 3 ER or less and didn’t get a win.”
blame it on the pen and offense.
Tex -
he was our starting cf on a championship team.
The Yankees are able to carry him because of how deep the rest of the lineup is – but based on his production he’s a fourth outfielder.
Keep in mind, Bubba Crosby started in CF for the Yankees in the playoffs a couple of years back.
“Heyman on the radio right now saying that the Angels would like to move Juan Rivera – while the Angels and Yankees may not be in much of a mood to help each other out – I would love to bring Juan Rivera back to the Bronx. ”
Have you seen Rivera play the field lately? How about during the playoffs? He’s horrible!
Chip, sometimes you scare me.
what exactly has juan rivera proven in the majors?
That he, unlike Melky, can hit major league pitching on a regular basis…
Both guys are about the same in terms of average and OBP – Rivera though is going to give you about a dozen more HR than Melky and the RBIs that go with them.
So yes, I would rather have an OF of Jackson, Gardner, Rivera/Swisher (one at DH one in RF) than Jackson, Gardner, Melky or Melky, Gardner, Swisher.
Tex,
Having a ring doesnt make you better than a player without one. Why are we even talking about Melky like he is Bernie in his prime? Give me the Granderson rumor over Melky in center in a heartbeat.
Free agent set-up guys?
Those never really seem to work out do they?
Have you seen Rivera play the field lately? How about during the playoffs? He’s horrible!
Then DH him…I’m fine with popping Swisher in RF and letting Rivera DH.
In any case it’s moot – the Yankees are not going to help the Angels open up a spot on their roster for Matt Holliday.
(and sometimes I scare myself)
By the ring logic, Melky is also better than Jason Bay and Matt Holliday.
Rivera is a decent player, not a lot more. You accomplish nothing by trading Melky for him, but Gardner and a decent arm would be okay by me.
I wonder is Swisher being dangled is to free up some cash for Cash to make a run at Matt Holliday?
Soriano and Gonzalez are good relievers, but it’s hard to see the Yanks spending significant $$$ down there unless they are completely committed to Joba and Hughes both in the rotation.
Then DH him…I’m fine with popping Swisher in RF and letting Rivera DH.
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If that was the case they would just re-sign matsui to dh.
tex’s friend November 19th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Really? Did you see Rivera in Left field? Rather give Damon what he wants. If the yankees give up three people it will not be for Juan Rivera.
Uncle Ellsworth (much adieu about nothing) November 19th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Chip – Melky is on the way up and Juan has leveled off and he can’t run.
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Juan Rivera had the 2nd best UZR/150 of all LF’ers (500+ innings), at 16.6. For comparison, Carl Crawford was #1 with 17.5 and Damon was -12.1.
I would like to know what would you give up for the “Doc”?
I can’t see NYY giving up 1st round draft picks for middle relief pitchers like Soriano and Gonzales. They may be decent, but, they aren’t first round pick decent.
the damon part was just making a point. unless you think juan rivera as a whole is worth 3 players, then it doesnt matter. if it was just melancon, sure why not. how old is rivera anyway?
I think that we are going to be having these debates over players for quite some time as I think that this off season is going to progress slower than most. They are saying that there could be another 60 players available on the market after the arbitration period is over. It would make sense for a GM to wait until then to see who he could pick up instead of going out now and making a deal with someone. This is going to be a long off season.
If that was the case they would just re-sign matsui to dh.
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I have to agree with you on that one.
BTW,Jeff Hostetler wasnt better than Marino.
After Steve Karsay, Kyle Farnsworth, LaTroy Hawkins, Mike Myers, Mike Stanton (Part II), Paul Quantrill, etc… I can’t see the Yankees investing big money in relief pitchers.
And – if you really want to hate me – here’s the name of another guy I would take a low cost flyer on either for LF or RF…Andruw Jones. He played mostly against left handed pitching and didn’t post much of an average (.214) but I think the low average had to do with spotty playing time, and he did hit 17 HR in under 200 AB.
“He knew that if he pretending to be dating a white woman, blonde hair blue eyes, etc. that the baseball world, which is predominantly white, would accept him back in spite of the steroids, etc. Kate Hudson and A-Rod won.”
Thanks, jason, for proving once again that inbreeding is a bad idea.
Lil’ long haired, pot-smoking, hippie freak.
Is this the first time a Girl has won the award?
Also by the ring logic Luis Sojo was a better 2b than Roberto Alomar.
“I can’t see NYY giving up 1st round draft picks for middle relief pitchers like Soriano and Gonzales. They may be decent, but, they aren’t first round pick decent.”
GB,
I guess the Yanks will wait til Dec.1st if the Braves offered them arbitration or not.
“Keep in mind, Bubba Crosby started in CF for the Yankees in the playoffs a couple of years back.”
And as a result I still wake up screaming…
jason November 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
I just have to share this. I believe A-Rod and kate hudson are not dating. Did you see her on Oprah yesterday? Rumors were they met in May, 2009 she said she knew him for years even when he was married. I believe A-Rod played the media when the media believe they were playing him. He knew that if he pretending to be dating a white woman, blonde hair blue eyes, etc. that the baseball world, which is predominantly white, would accept him back in spite of the steroids, etc. Kate Hudson and A-Rod won. She got a movie out the deal and he is back on top. Now the both of them can go on with their lives until the next time they need to play you guys
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PeteAbe basically said the same thing — that Hudson was doing it for publicity. I’m sure Pete had some inside sources.
Any interest in Ryan Church? He’s arbitration eligible by the Braves and they might be looking to move him.
[And – if you really want to hate me – here’s the name of another guy I would take a low cost flyer on either for LF or RF…Andruw Jones. He played mostly against left handed pitching and didn’t post much of an average (.214) but I think the low average had to do with spotty playing time, and he did hit 17 HR in under 200 AB.]
It’s official, Chip. I will not be able to support you in your bid to become Yankees GM.
“Keep in mind, Bubba Crosby started in CF for the Yankees in the playoffs a couple of years back.”
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in a championship year? no.
and bubba wasnt the everyday cf.
Swish on the block?
http://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/5863286864
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Uh oh, maybe Swish shouldn’t have sprayed the boss with champagne when he was in the middle of talking to the press…
“Keep in mind, Bubba Crosby started in CF for the Yankees in the playoffs a couple of years back.”
{And as a result I still wake up screaming…}
That collison between him and Sheff is something I’ll never be able to purge from my memory banks. That game was lost then and there.
“Any interest in Ryan Church? He’s arbitration eligible by the Braves and they might be looking to move him.”
the problem with Church is that he can’t hit lefties. he said he can but his stats say he CANT.
Ed, Atlanta has no reason to NOT offer them arbitration. The raises wouldn’t be as much as they might get on the open market, so, the players have no reason to accept it.
Murph, You beat me to responding to that nonsense Jason poluted the LoHud with….Steveoh, once again the rubbish that is the UZR is displayed with the rating that Juan Rivera is given…….He’s terrible in the OF, in fact he’s yanked in the late innings for a defensive upgrade …..He still has a solid stick though, however he’s a dh, and I’d much rather have Mats back………Doing ok Murph ????
Will there be an asterisk beside Lincecum’s award this year? You know, for being admitting to the use of PRD’s.
(Performance reducing drugs)
PeteAbe basically said the same thing — that Hudson was doing it for publicity. I’m sure Pete had some inside sources.
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No surprise that those two would have the same thoughts. After all, it was PA that said NYY would be a better team with Cody Ransom at third base over Rodriguez. I’m guessing that Jason and PA share the same brain cell.
I guess we’ll be seing # 13 in Feburary on the Red Carpet at the Academy Awards
World Series ring count:
Freddy Guzman – 1
Ted Williams – 0
Remember this Uncle E ?
“For those of you keeping score at home, that’s 36 Mafia with 1 Oscar, Martin Scorsese, 0 Oscars”
GB – “same brain cell.” Awesome.
“I’m guessing that Jason and PA share the same brain cell.”
I think you give them too much credit.
It should be no surprise that the Surprise Rafters are in last place. Once again, that are sitting Colin Curtis (leading the league with a .397 BA) foe two outfielders hitting below .200 and sitting Brandon Laird (.333 BA, 2nd in homers and 3rd in RBI) for a .265 hitting hitting 3rd baseman.
Curtis will win the batting title after today’s games.
Problem is, Arod and Kate are still dating so the “inside info” folks may have on this is incorrect.
But hey, its the off-season. Whatever you need to think to pass the day.
Since bullpen is not a weakness with the Yankees, I can’t see them using good money for bullpen arms.
That sounds like the agents for Soriano and Gonzalez are feeding info to the media to drive up their clients prices on the open market.
Lincecum
Cut your damn hair! You look like a girl!
There, said it.
Interesting they would consider moving Swish–cost controlled, 30 HR, switch hitting guy. Doubt the rumor is true.
GreenBeret7
November 19th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
I can’t see NYY giving up 1st round draft picks for middle relief pitchers like Soriano and Gonzales. They may be decent, but, they aren’t first round pick decent.
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Soriano and Gonzales are more than decent pitchers…especially Soriano….
as for the picks i doubt that Atlanta offers arb to both players and would least likely offer it to Soriano for fear that he might accept it a be awarded a raise over the 6.3mil he made last year. he’d prob get 8-9mil and the Braves don’t want to be stuck with that kind of salary for a closer. More likely that they offer arb to Gonzales who made 3mil last year as worse case scenario he accepts and they get him back to close for 1yr at about 5mil.
Soriano would be a perfect fit for our club as he’s 29 same age as bruney but much better and has experience and success closing should Mo go down. A 2yr/10mil deal for Sori would allow the Yanks to move Hughes to the 5 spot and the bridge to Mo would be Soriano/Marte with DRob,Bruney,Coke,Ace and Melancon in front of those guys and on days that Mo wasn’t available Soriano could close.
They aren’t perfect fits for the money it will cost to have them in the bullpen.
The Yankees bullpen is cheap and very effective.
Rafael Soriano is going to get over 6 million dollars on the open market. Don’t see the Yankees going there for him.
They already have 2 lefties in the bullpen. They don’t need Mike Gonzalez.
That kind of money can sign Ben Sheets or go to upgrade the OF. It would be wasted in the bullpen since the bullpen is already a strength of the team.
SJ44 I completely agree
Really curious about Sheets because he’s better than Peavey if healthy and while he has a relationship in Texas, not sure pitching down there has ever been good for anyone’s career.
It’ll almost certainly come down to who guarantees the most $$
Steveoh, once again the rubbish that is the UZR is displayed with the rating that Juan Rivera is given…….He’s terrible in the OF, in fact he’s yanked in the late innings for a defensive upgrade …..He still has a solid stick though, however he’s a dh, and I’d much rather have Mats back…
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So it’s just a coincidence that he is surrounded by Carl Crawford and David DeJesus? Their UZR’s are meaningless as well? It’s also a coincidence that we all know that Damon is a poor LF’er and his UZR is -12.1? I don’t see any reason why Juan Rivera would have a vastly incorrect UZR relative to those others.
That said, I’m not proposing the Yanks try to get him, just saying he may not be a bad fielder.
I find it hard to believe people put any stock in UZR, I mean this is the statistic that tells us Kendry Morales, Miguel Cabrera, and Paul Konerko are better than Mark Teixeira. I mean, come on
It’s strange to see Swisher on the block, since the Yanks don’t know if they’ll re-sign Matsui or Damon. At this moment, the Yanks have a potential shortage of outfielders. Swisher is a decent fielder with an OPS+ of 129 last year, and he also plays 1B. Would the Yanks consider trading Swisher + prospect(s) for Granderson?
NOOOOO…keep Swish around. That guys worth his money for his spirit alone. Not to mention he put up pretty solid numbers this year out in right. I know hes not the best right fielder but the last thing I want to see the Yanks do is start getting rid of these integral character players for more big time superstars ( a la the early 2000’s when the Yanks became a souless bunch of mercs). Keep the Swish Dog.
Lincecum deserved it, he’s a beast