Comments on: Today’s award: NL Cy Young

By: youngtimer

youngtimer — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:03:34 +0000

LINCECUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:35:10 +0000

Jorge De La Rosa? What? Nary a mention of Dan Haren, either, who was among the favorites until a rough patch to end the year.

By: champ809

champ809 — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:04:17 +0000

What the Blue Jays need more than starting pitching back in a Halladay deal is position players at the Catcher and infield positions. They have no catcher,3b,ss and have Overbay @ 1b and Edwin Encarnacion @ 3b. They will be getting Marcum and McGowan back to go along with Romero and every other rookie pitcher they threw up there last year.

The will almost certainly demand from the Yanks Montero but Cash won’t trade Montero. There is a greater chance that Montero is in our lineup the second half of next season than there is he gets traded.

we could do a Romine,Laird,Nunez,Ajax package and to me that’s alot considering that i’m off the opinion that Halladay will be available on the FA market next season

By: champ809

champ809 — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:55:55 +0000

Vinny B

the concern about Joba’s injury history is overblown…he’s never been on the Dl and the Yanks shut him down for a month because of shoulder stiffness…

Hallady missed a whole season a few years back because of injury.He’s 33 he’s thrown more innings thaan anybody in baseball the last 7/8 years and based on that is probably the higher injury risk over then next few years than a 24 yr old Joba. So think if another justification.

and as far as living off his press clippings i think he’s living off the fact that as a 24yr player making no $ and with one the most electric arms in the game and a fantastic arsenal off stuff that maybe 3-4 pitchers in the game could match if and when he finally gets it he could be a perennial cy young contender. If it comes together for him this season then watch out!

By: Bill

Bill — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:54:02 +0000

Jorge de la Rosa as the dark horse? Did you mean Ubaldo Jimenez instead? de la Rosa had a 4.38 ERA in 2009, and he didn’t even pitch in the playoffs. Listing him as the dark horse has to be a mistake.

By: champ809

champ809 — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:48:48 +0000

That’s a deal I would consider, but I’m still on the fence. Joba very well could be a better pitcher than Halladay within the next 4-5 years.
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he doesn’t have to be better than Halladay over the next 5 yrs…if Halladay is only slightly better thanJoba bit the difference in salary costs is $100million then it is fiscally dumb and irresponsible when you consider that you have $250mil commited @ 3b,$125mil @SS,$160mil @ 1b,$50mil @closer,$200+mil @ CC and AJ etc…i mean Cash is operating with a larger revenue stream than everybody but it ain’t monopoly $….the Yanks cut the prices dramatically for the Legends seats and still couldn’t sell them..i personally went to 6 games this year for free in the Legends section up the 1st base line because the team gave away 40/50 tickets to employees in the ticket dept. just to have bodies in ‘em so it wouldn’t look so bad on TV.

I’m not saying i wouldn’t want Halladay on my staff everybody would. But at the cost of the talent i’d have to give up and then sign him to $150mil i’m not interested as I’d gamble that 1yr away from FA Halladay will be available for just a check next season.

I will say the the new GM in Toronto is a lot smarter than the JP because the only way he gets a decent offer for Hallday is to allow a team a window to explore signing him to a deal.

The point as some have pointed out was last year we NEEDED an ace to come lead the rotation and Cash had planned from the ‘08 season that CC would be that guy. He was wonderfully correct and everything worked out perfectly! This year there isn’t that glaring need

By: Mo Wang

Mo Wang — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:38:29 +0000

I’m sorry, I meant to say:

“the writers will love the wins on both Cardinal pitchers who, unlike Felix Hernandez, pitched on a postseason team.”

By: Mo Wang

Mo Wang — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:36:39 +0000

As much as Greinke’s victory was a plus for the movement against Wins, today things will revert back and the bbwaa will show that they are still in love with Wins. Lincecum was clearly the best pitcher in the NL this year. Those 33 extra innings on Carpenter are huge.

But unfortunately Lincecum will probably finish 3rd because the writers will love the wins on both Cardinal pitchers who, unlike Felix Hernandez, pitched on a winning team. Hey it’s dumb and unfair, but these guys haven’t changed too much. That’s how they will vote.

By: L to the 2nd

L to the 2nd — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:57:30 +0000

I said it before & I’ll say it again.

There is no need to give up Joba, Hughes, Ajax or Montero in any trade for Halladay. None.

The Mets STOLE Santana from the Twins, who now, less than 2 years removed, have ZERO to show for it exzcept J.J. Hardy (from the Gomez trade). That trade occurred chronologically at the same time this would – the beginning of Halladay’s walk year.

Cashman will NOT gut the farm as what was previosly done to make a “splash”. He doesn’t need to.

With each passing day, TOR’s leverage drops, and if they include Wells in any deal, the value of what you give up should plummet, depending on how much of Wells’ God-awful contract you’re willing to eat.

King Felix, assuming he’s even available (which I doubt, and think SEA would be nuts to move a cornerstone of their franchise especially since they’re not exactly hurting financially) would be the one to take a serious run at – and even then no way Hughes or Montero is part of that deal. You want to talk anyone else, be my guest.

By: vinny-b (lock up Girardi and let Jeter wait)

vinny-b (lock up Girardi and let Jeter wait) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:54:55 +0000

“here are some FACTS for all of the Joba’s never going to be anything fans out there that want to dump him for Halladay the greatest pitcher of all time”
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‘champ’: have been following Chamberlain & Hughes from the time they were drafted, as the majority of posters have.

this have nothing to do with ‘waking-up’. In my view, i make Joba available for Doc Holladay for 3 factors:

1) the player is Doc Holladay
2) Joba’s injury history is a very big concern
3) frankly his makeup is a concern as well. And every indication is he is living off his 2007 press clippings. yup.