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Chien-Ming Wang talks, Taiwan listens

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 20, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

MLB Trade Rumors pointed me to this report, which points to another report that I can’t read without a translator.

Basically, Chien-Ming Wang was asked about his uncertain offseason for what must have been the thousandth time. He said he prefers to stay with the Yankees, but the idea of playing for Joe Torre was brought up.

“The media asked whether to switch teams to the Dodgers, he said ‘That’s good,’” according to the original story (and according to Google’s translator).

 What to do with Wang is one of the great Yankee mysteries of the offseason. Two years ago he won 19 games for the second straight season. He was solid when he was able to pitch in 2008 and 2009 was more or less a completely lost year, but it was so bad that you have to wonder if he can play a role at all next season, especially given the money he’s likely to make in arbitration. There’s no guarantee he’ll accept a smaller contract offer.

UPDATE, 12:50 p.m.: Got an email from Lynn who clarified Wang’s comments about playing for the Dodgers. Google’s translator came up with, “That’s good” as the translation of Wang’s quote. Lynn says it’s more like “it’s not a bad idea” or “it’s okay too.”

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179 Responses to “Chien-Ming Wang talks, Taiwan listens”

  1. NYYROC November 20th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Cashman up next on 1050 AM.

  2. thomas November 20th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    They could do a deal like Andy. 2 million then incentives to reach 5 million.

  3. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    NYYROC
    November 20th, 2009 at 11:23 am
    Cashman up next on 1050 AM.

    **********************
    Would you mind doing a recap for those of us stuck at work? :)

  4. gfd November 20th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Cashman knows his medical history.If they let him go you better believe he has sourced his opinion.

    If there’s anyone who knows how much the Yankees need a # three it’s Cashman.

    Wang might not be ready to help the Yankees this year,and Cashman is cutting his loses.If Wang agrees to a mnor league contract,I’ll bet Cashman will keep him.

  5. sunny615 November 20th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Keep him. When he was good – he was great. His horrible 09 was due to injuries that should be completely healed by next year. He would be grat insurance to a joba/hughes combo that may or may not make a successful return to the rotation. He would at least make great trade bait for another late season acquisition if hughes/joba does work out.

  6. John November 20th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Chad — Any update on the rumors that the Yankees are shopping Nick Swisher? Just read a report on USA Today regarding this.

  7. Patrick from CT November 20th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    They are not paying Wang 5 mil to rehab.
    2 mil with incentives does make sence.
    He’s had 2 major shoulder issues so I don’t see anyone doing better than that.

  8. tk November 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    “I’m not going to argue with you about Hawpe’s defense. Mostly because I think he and Swisher are interchangable in their defense. Both of them will be in the lineup, one of them will be in RF and one will be at DH – I don’t care which.”

    Whether the Yankees should acquire is debatable. However, there is absolutely no basis for stating that Swisher’s defense is “interchangeable” with Hawpe’s. Simply put, Brad Hawpe is one of the single worst outfielders in baseball. His range is atrocious and as a result it erodes most of his offensive value. Over the last three years Swisher has been an average defender, neither saving/creating value with his defense. On the other hand, Hawpe has been about 80 runs below average–meaning he has cost the Rockies about 2.5 wins per year with his defense. If the Yankees were to acquire him, he should be considered strictly a DH, regardless of his age/health.

  9. Irabu's Son November 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    I BELIEVE IN WANG

  10. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    John
    November 20th, 2009 at 11:39 am
    Chad — Any update on the rumors that the Yankees are shopping Nick Swisher? Just read a report on USA Today regarding this.

    ******************
    John, the Post had a story yesterday afternoon saying that the rumors weren’t true

  11. Tom B November 20th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Cashman recap from 1050

    Don’t believe anything you read, they haven’t had a single meeting yet.

  12. Boogie Down- Hot Stove November 20th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Keep Wang, but you really can’t give him more than a 2 Mil incentive laden deal.

  13. tom November 20th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Don’t believe anything you read, they haven’t had a single meeting yet.
    ____________
    Then lets just party like – we won the World Series in 2009 ! Yeahhh Babyyy

  14. sunny615 November 20th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Interesting take from Joel Sherman:

    And the Yanks will be very cautious with Wang. The success rate of pitchers returning at a high level after shoulder surgery is far lower than from elbow surgery. Plus, the Yankees always thought Wang was working on a narrow margin of error: He was essentially a one-pitch pitcher who got away with not missing any bats by having a 95 mph sinker that hitters routinely smashed into the grounder. They saw what he looked like when he lost some of that velocity this year, and it was not good. They cannot be positive he will regain all of his velocity. And the Yanks wonder if Wang has the ability to further refine his slider and changeup to become more of a complete pitcher.

    If they don’t think Wang could enhance his repertoire than the Yanks may be motivated to pass on Wang at any price.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....QrvMNV9ozJ

  15. NYYROC November 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Cashman Recap: 1) Spent time talking about 2009 turnaround in ATL. 2) Spoke of the need for patience with young pitchers, said If Halladay started in NY there would have been “Doc to BP” talk when he struggled as a young SP. 3)Said AJax could be in NY in 2010, not sure when, depends upon”how much they want to put on his plate”, said AJax will be an “above avg ML OF”. 4)Didn’t say much about upcoming moves (wouldn’t expect him to), said internal meetings are done, now has to meet with owners to discuss payroll. 5) said reports of NYY doing this or that are premature because he still has to talk to owners

  16. gfd November 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Wang hasn’t been good since 2007,2008 Lis Franc out,2009 this current surgery.

    Cashman HAS paid him for no service to the Yankees,a couple of years NOW.

    When the Yankees played the Indians in 2007,Wang’s 2 starts were a loss for the Yankees,and helped toward their early exit in round one.

  17. J-Boogie November 20th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    As they say, you can neber have enough pitching. They need to find a way to bring Wang back. I don’t put much stock in his 2009 season between not having strong legs at the start (Yanks told him not to exercise them if I remember) and then the shoulder issues, he wasn’t in a position to do real well. If the medical reports indicate he’s healthy, the Yanks should find a way to work something out. I wouldn’t give him a high guarantee but would definitely go the incentive route.

  18. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    NYYROC-Thank you!! :)

  19. pat November 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Didn’t see new thread…..

    Cashman on ESPN made it sound like they aren’t looking big ticket this year.

    Describing whether Austin Jackson is ready to go out of the gate or more of a break glass in case of emergency guy was an interesting way of describing him.

    Then again, it could just all be part of the stealth “process” and he’s just oiling the machine.

  20. John November 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Erin — Thank YOU for the Swisher update, just found the Post article. Agreed that all this speculation is premature.

  21. champ809 November 20th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    before the Lisfranc in 2008 he was off to probably his best start to a season in NY as he was 8-4 so to say he hasn’t been good in two years is innaccurate and frankly dumb.
    He hasn’t been healthy in two years is more accurate.

    Bring him back

  22. Joba in the pen November 20th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    I think the Yanks and Wang should try to work out a deal, like they did with Lieber.

    ——————————
    In the last thread regarding Lincecum’s hair. Who gives a rat’s behind how long his hair is. He is a top pitcher. If he was a Yankee, no one would mention his hair because they would be drooling over his talent.

  23. tk November 20th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    “Cashman HAS paid him for no service to the Yankees,a couple of years NOW.”

    Wang is a great example of why young, cost-controlled starting pitchers are the game’s greatest commodity. Wang has pitched 650+ innings for the Yankees, providing about $50 million dollars in value while receiving about $5 million in salary. So even though Wang has only pitched 120 innings the past two seasons and will probably be non-tendered with two years of arbitration remaining, the Yankees have earned approximately 10 times what they invested in this asset.

  24. champ809 November 20th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    When the Yankees played the Indians in 2007,Wang’s 2 starts were a loss for the Yankees,and helped toward their early exit in round one.

    using that logic Pettite would not have been on this team last year because his two losses in the ’01 world series cost us the championship against the D’Backs

  25. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    John
    November 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
    Erin — Thank YOU for the Swisher update, just found the Post article. Agreed that all this speculation is premature.

    ****************
    John, you’re welcome!

  26. Iconoclast November 20th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Joba in the Pen _

    “In the last thread regarding Lincecum’s hair. Who gives a rat’s behind how long his hair is. He is a top pitcher. If he was a Yankee, no one would mention his hair because they would be drooling over his talent.”

    Couldn’t agree more! Why does everybody on the Yanks have to look like IBM employees from the 50′s? What your personal taste may be should really be irrelevant to the discussion.
    It’s really remarkable how the fashion fascists want to have everyone confirm to a single image of their choice.

  27. tk November 20th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    “In the last thread regarding Lincecum’s hair. Who gives a rat’s behind how long his hair is. He is a top pitcher. If he was a Yankee, no one would mention his hair because they would be drooling over his talent.”

    It’s amazing what this kid has done for the Giants in the post-Bonds era. Since he arrived in the major leagues, there probably hasn’t been a player who provided a better value to his club than Lincecum. He’s already racked up almost 600 innings while pitching at an elite level and earning close to the league minimum. Add to that all of the positive attention he attracts, and Lincecum has proven to be an absolute steal for SF.

  28. JohnC November 20th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    I agree on Wang. Look to bring him back on minor league deal. Shouldn’t just let him walk without trying. If he comes back, would be a bonus.

  29. gfd November 20th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    2001 Andy had 4 rings and was proven as a big game pitcher.Wang isn’t in that arena.
    While I and many others really really like Wang.This is nothing personal,just business!

    Please don’t compare Wang to Andy,who at 37 came through big time for the Yankees,on short rest,at his age!!

  30. DJ November 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Has there been any interest from the FO in the other cuban lefty (the one mentioned in Keith Law’s top 50 FA list). I know nothing about him other than he defected in 2008 with the SS the Red Sox signed, but the fact that Chapman comes off as a “diva” is a huge red flag. Of course he has the tools you would want in a SP, but his whole persona that has been shown thus far in interviews and in articles written about him make me believe he is way more hype than substance. If this other kid (only 19) is really equal to a possible top 10 draft choice and would come at a fraction the cost of Chapman then I have to believe he would be a better sign. He wouldnt have nearly the expectations of Chapman but could still wind up as a front line starter.

  31. MR.OCTOBER November 20th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Joba in the Pen-
    If Lincecum were on the Yankees no one would mention his hair because he wouldnt have long hair.

  32. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    This talk about going to the Dodgers is fluff.

    Wang knows NYY is the best place to both win and maintain his prowess as a Taiwanese.

    An incentive based deal would be good if they are planning to slot him back into the rotation full time in 2011, but I have a hard time believing he’ll be of much use to the Yankees until mid 2010 at the earliest despite what reports say.

  33. Crawdaddy November 20th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    “If Lincecum were on the Yankees no one would mention his hair because he wouldnt have long hair.”

    Serious Yankee fans don’t give a crap about hair, they care about results otherwise known as wins and WS Championships.

  34. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    gfd
    November 20th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
    2001 Andy had 4 rings and was proven as a big game pitcher.Wang isn’t in that arena.
    While I and many others really really like Wang.This is nothing personal,just business!

    Please don’t compare Wang to Andy,who at 37 came through big time for the Yankees,on short rest,at his age!!

    ————————————————————

    It seems that you’ve chosen to ignore Wang’s 2005 PS start of 1 run in 6.2 innings, or his start against the Tigers in 2006. Don’t they fit your needs? How convenient.

  35. gfd November 20th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Oh and by the way,in 2001 Andy vs Dbacks,they stole his signs.He and Posada didn’t know until later.Google it.
    Andy was even quoted as saying ,it’s as if they knew what pitch I was going to throw.

  36. Joba in the pen November 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    MR.OCTOBER

    My point is why are people discussing his hair? You would think people, especially the men on this blog, would be discussing his talent.
    And if he were a Yankee, his hair wouldn’t be an issue, even if he had a cut like Girardi or wore it slightly long. How about that?

  37. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    pat
    November 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
    Didn’t see new thread…..

    Cashman on ESPN made it sound like they aren’t looking big ticket this year.

    Describing whether Austin Jackson is ready to go out of the gate or more of a break glass in case of emergency guy was an interesting way of describing him.

    Then again, it could just all be part of the stealth “process” and he’s just oiling the machine.

    ————————————————————

    I especially enjoyed his not so subtle dig at the media idiot that criticized Girardi and the Yankees for only starting 3 pitchers in the WS and in the same column that he criticized Manuel and the Phillies for not using just 3 starters in the WS. Classic.

  38. L November 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    This is what I gathered from Wang’s press conference.

    One, he wants a major league contract.

    Two, NYY is his first choice.

    Three, other teams are also acceptable.

  39. betsy November 20th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    I missed Cash – anything interesting? Probably not, lol – he’s not going to give anything away. If the Yankees are interested in Halladay (I mean seriously) or are involved in trade talks, he’s not going say anything- obviously. Who knows? Cash could be a spy – he’s very cryptic.

  40. betsy November 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    NYYROC, thanks! Cash sounds like he’s very high on AJax and that’s nice to hear. That said, he needs more time in AAA…I’d be shocked if he was up before September.

  41. MR.OCTOBER November 20th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Crawdaddy-
    I totally agree who cares what his head looks like. He could have purple hair and it wouldnt matter to me as long as he is pitching for my team in the postseason year in and year out. He is one hell of a pitcher.

  42. betsy November 20th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Craw, I’m a serious Yankee fan as you well know, lol. These posters are just a tad uptight for pete’s sake. I don’t like long hair on men – I made one comment. I would take Timmy and his long hair in a heartbeat…..some people need to lighten up.

  43. betsy November 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    GB, who are you referring to?

    Cash is no dummy and he’s got a sly wit…..good for him.

  44. blake November 20th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    The thing with Wang is that he was mis-cast as a #1 starter. He never has been a #1 starter but would be great as a middle to back end of the rotation guy if he’s healthy and can get his sinker back.

  45. vinny-b (lock up Girardi and let Jeter wait) November 20th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    “It’s really remarkable how the fashion fascists want to have everyone confirm to a single image of their choice”
    ——————————————

    to each their own. I happen to believe men wearing sportcoats with blue jeans look ridiculous. I also find it amusing blue jeans are generally accepted via society as being “dressed up”. But track pants, hoodies, etc are not. To me, cloting/attire is a very personal issue and i refuse to conform

  46. Abdababdaserser November 20th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Wang, just prior to injuring his shoulder, was hitting 94-95. When he first came back this past season his velocity was down, and that was found to be in part due to his hip strength.

    He is still worth keeping. He had added a few pitches, so to say he was a one pitch pitcher is dishonest.

    As to him not accepting a lower salary, I am not so sure of that. First, he will probably have no say in the matter, as any clubs he could go to would be offering incentive type deals and more than likely minor league ones. Coming from Taiwan he might feel some obligation to the Yankees for him getting a salary when he couldn’t contribute to the team.

    He had been a backbone of the rotation for the years prior to getting hurt. Even though he had times when he struggled, they didn’t last long. He consistently gave a decent number of innings each season.

    His cost will probably be lower unless he meets or exceeds incentives. At that point the Yankees would probably be very happy with him.

    When you can still have cost controlled pitchers who have proven that they can pitch in the pressure cooker of NY letting them go for nothing seems short sighted. Even with the risks, Wang could prove to be valuable to the team.

  47. vinny-b (lock up Girardi and let Jeter wait) November 20th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    *are not acceptable*

  48. blake November 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Cashman gives about as much useful information to the press as Bellechick does. Nothing he says to the media means anything about what he’s actually thinking or what the Yankee’s actual plans are.

  49. gfd November 20th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    When people make personal attacks ,like those about Tim’s hair,it speaks more negatively about them than him,because it’s petty.
    Damon,and Giambi had long hair before joining the Yankees,they weren’t criticized were they?

  50. Abdababdaserser November 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    I have some doubts about Lincecum being able to hold up long term. He has a pretty violent delivery and that will take its toll on his type of body.

    He does know how to pitch, though, and would gladly welcome him to pinstripes. I am just not sold that he will have a very long career. I hope I am wrong. Maybe he is the “freak” that won’t break down under the strains he puts his arm through.

  51. melky gardner November 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Agreed re: Wang. Something should be done, esp. since the organization didn’t do a good job with his rehab. He WAS improving at the time of his shoulder injury. If he can ragain the velocity, Wang can still be a capable no. 3 starter.

    As to his contribution, the Yanks would not have gone to the postseason at all in 2007 if not for his performance during the year. And he was one of the only good performers in the 2006 postseason, his first 19 game season. He was 8-2 at the time of the lisfranc injury, with more than half a season to go. People will use any stat out of context to prove a point they can’t otherwise win. The bottom line is Wang was a steal for the Yankees in the price to performance ratio. The question is, will they gamble on him again.

  52. Art?rs Irbe November 20th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    “It seems that you’ve chosen to ignore Wang’s 2005 PS start of 1 run in 6.2 innings, or his start against the Tigers in 2006. Don’t they fit your needs? How convenient.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Greenberet7, Wang’s 2 Division Series starts do not compare to Andy’s record 18 postseason wins.

    Do you, Greenberet7, just TROLL the boards looking for comments to attack?

    And attack poorly at that, Greenberet7?

    Get a life, Greenberet7! Go re-enlist, Greenberet7, and make something of yourself, Greenberet7.

  53. Rose November 20th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    “I would take Timmy and his long hair in a heartbeat…..”

    So would I. He is a great young talent, long, short or no hair.

  54. blake November 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Lincecum is a blown out shoulder waiting to happen. You can’t repeat that delivery with that body forever without something giving out.

    Now with modern medicine that doesn’t mean he won’t have a long career but that does mean he’s much more risky long term than say Felix Hernandez or Kershaw IMO..

  55. 86w183 November 20th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    The key thing is shoulder surgery normally results in loss of velocity and for a one pitch guy that’s a big deal. Not opposed to a minor league deal loaded with incentives, but he may be looking for more.

    Sheets is probably a better bet for 2010.

    My reaction to the Lincecum hair issue is roughly the same as Lincoln’s alleged response to US Grant’s supposed boozing… find out what he’s drinking and give it to the other Generals.

  56. Abdababdaserser November 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    melky gardner… I remember how many posters here, as well as media talking heads were thinking that Wang was going to win 20 or more games in the infamous lisfranc year.

    Wang’s velocity was back. He was throwing 94-95 for a couple of outings and many thought he was looking like his old self.

    He was a top of the rotation pitcher, maybe not a 1, even though he kept up with most of the oppositions aces. Put him as he had been as a 2 or 3 and there would be no complaints.

    Separating CC and AJ with Wang gives that different look that is highly prized by managers. He was efficient with his pitches, creating more frustration with the batters and resting the bullpen. You also could generally tell fairly early in the game when he just didn’t have it working.

  57. Rose November 20th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    “My reaction to the Lincecum hair issue is roughly the same as Lincoln’s alleged response to US Grant’s supposed boozing… find out what he’s drinking and give it to the other Generals.”

    lol

  58. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Art?rs Irbe
    November 20th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
    “It seems that you’ve chosen to ignore Wang’s 2005 PS start of 1 run in 6.2 innings, or his start against the Tigers in 2006. Don’t they fit your needs? How convenient.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Greenberet7, Wang’s 2 Division Series starts do not compare to Andy’s record 18 postseason wins.

    Do you, Greenberet7, just TROLL the boards looking for comments to attack?

    And attack poorly at that, Greenberet7?

    Get a life, Greenberet7! Go re-enlist, Greenberet7, and make something of yourself, Greenberet7.

    ————————————————————

    WOW!!! I guess you really told me off. You’re much too clever for me.

    IDIOT.

  59. Nick in SF in Vallejo November 20th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    There’s no way the Taiwanese media can make Lincecum cut his hair, this is America!

    Put him on an incentive-based hair regimen and it’ll all work itself out.

  60. gfd November 20th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    -Art
    THANK U!!

  61. ---.---.---. November 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    -Art?rs Irbe

    You’re dealing with an alpha male wannabe,ignore the beast!!

    He has to down everybody in order to exist in his small makes believe throne.

  62. betsy November 20th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    LOL it was one comment – get over it. Big deal, I don’t like his hair – holy cow.

  63. Adam November 20th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    I read a little chinese (still learning) and most of that article seems to be about Wang’s kid and his family, although I could be wrong.

  64. betsy November 20th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    That was a personal attack? Please…….

  65. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    I had no idea Lincecum’s hair was such a hot topic. Wow.

  66. betsy November 20th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    I saw highlights of Lincecum on MLB last night- first time I’ve ever really watched him. I was uncomfortable watching him, like I used to be watching Vlad. Vlad always looked like he was going to throw his back on every swing he took….Lincecum looks like he’s going to break a limb. That said, pitching experts think he’s got great mechanics……

  67. betsy November 20th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Erin, it’s not. I made one comment and some posters are completely blowing it out of proportion. I’m done with it – if they want to make a big stink, it’s their issue.

  68. Uncle Ellsworth (much adieu about nothing) November 20th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    let the kid be a kid
    you old farts

  69. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    betsy
    November 20th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
    Erin, it’s not. I made one comment and some posters are completely blowing it out of proportion. I’m done with it – if they want to make a big stink, it’s their issue.

    **************
    I see. I’m not a fan of the hair either. There, maybe now they’ll stop attacking you and turn their rage onto me. ;)

  70. champ809 November 20th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    GB

    was just pointing out the silliness of QFD’s point of get rid of Wang because he had two bad postseason starts. which was i responded with the Pettite post and the idiocy of these statements and this line of thinking.

    especially when you neglect to point out in his defense the very good postseason starts he’s had as well.

    the Idea that Wang was miscast as an ace is fallacy also

    a 19 game winner who takes the ball every fifth day and routinely pitches into the 8th giving up 3 runs or less and fewer hits than innings pitched is on most teams THE ACE of the staff! and Wang’s upside is certainly not a #3 starter or a back of the rotation pitcher.

  71. Believe in Wang November 20th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Hey Chad,
    If you like to have some Taiwanese friends,just report more Wang’s news on the blog
    , then you will have a lot of friends who would translate the news in chinese for
    you, and also you will get famous here in Taiwan.Here Peter is like a MLB god
    before, since he always reported the latest news and trivia for us.

    Wang said in the interview that he would like to stay as a yankee but if not he is fine to go anywhere, he knows he has to pitch well and keep healthy to earn
    his spot back in big league,He also said he would like to pitch in Dodgers because
    Torre taught him a lot in the past years and he has good relationship with Torre( He actually said he and Torre had good chemistry but I don’t know if that’s the way to translate it in English).He also said he is ok to go to national league but need to practice
    more about how to bunt.

  72. Uncle Ellsworth (much adieu about nothing) November 20th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Betsy its a slow day.

  73. Mark in Tampa November 20th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    “He also said he is ok to go to national league but need to practice
    more about how to bunt.”

    And how to run the bases. :(

  74. Abdababdaserser November 20th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    If Wang can come back and be like he had been, just think about the added defense from Teixeira, Cano, Jeter and Alex on the infield, double play balls with fewer errors… it would probably make him look even better.

  75. Phil November 20th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Cash will never predict the Yanks will do anything until it’s done. For example he will frequently tell reporters he has nothing hot, when he is in the midst of signing a player or making a trade. I think he thinks it’s bad luck to count chickens prematurely.

  76. Abdababdaserser November 20th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Mark, given his big injury which set off the resulting shoulder injury, I tend to doubt that National League teams would be as likely to go after him. That isn’t saying he couldn’t do it, it seemed like a freak injury, but it would give them pause to having him run the bases.

  77. champ809 November 20th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Any team AL/NL that was looking to add a top of the rotation type pitcher to their staff would be very interested in Wang once he shows that he is healthy and back in top form. NL teams are not going to be scared away because he’d have to run the bases. Any player could suffer the injury he suffered running the bases,running out groundballs,running after fly balls

  78. vin November 20th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    “That said, pitching experts think he’s got great mechanics……”

    When he was healthy and pitching great, I’ll never forget the “pitching experts” claiming how Mark Prior had some of the best mechanics they’d ever seen.

    Then he got injured and all they could say was “It’s no surprise he got injured, his mechanics have always been poor.”

    That is why I don’t trust any of the talking heads. There is no accountability, and very little true insight.

    Anyone here remember the ridiculous article Ken Rosenthal wrote just before this season started in which he predicted the Yankees 2009 season? It started off as nothing but doomsday scenarios, then it jumped into a series of completely absurd events (maybe he was trying to play the “I was only joking” card). Needless to say the season would end poorly in this piece (of garbage).

    I tried searching for that article a couple of months ago. And tried again yesterday… not surprisingly, it’s nowhere to be found. There’s also another infamous article that the RAB guys reference in which the author seriously boasts that the Yankees would be better off with Cody Ransom instead of Arod. Again, that article has been removed from cyberspace.

  79. Erica - always OPPC November 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    The Yahoo free agent tracker:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

    Always one of my favorite annual sports columns. (Despite nasty words about MPB Johnny Damon)

    Side note- I am off from work today = Posting without fear … YAY!!!!!!

  80. Lauren November 20th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    sunny wrote: “Keep him. When he was good – he was great. His horrible 09 was due to injuries that should be completely healed by next year. He would be grat insurance to a joba/hughes combo that may or may not make a successful return to the rotation. He would at least make great trade bait for another late season acquisition if hughes/joba does work out.”

    Totally agree.

    ~*~*~*~*
    Thanks for the post Chad. IMO, Wang’s future is the hottest offseason story. I’d like to see them give him another chance because they didn’t handle his comeback well this year. That push-pull they did with him and Hughes put too much pressure on him and I don’t think we got a real representation of what he can [still] do.

    The Yankees OWE him him another chance.

  81. Doreen November 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    I just got back and I am compelled to comment on Tim Lincecum’s hair – yes, indeed, if he ws on the Yankees it would be an issue, except if he was on the Yankees, he’d have had the decision made for him as to “what to do” with his hair. :lol:

    All the talk on XM this morning was the omission of Carpenter from two ballots in the NL Cy Young voting and whether or not Keith Law took sabermetrics just a little too far in deciding who to put on his ballot, as well as the choice to leave Carpenter off because he pitched fewer innings and relied on his defense. It was interesting, and I kept thinking about the bloodbaths that occur here regarding too much reliance on sabermetrics. However, Law received accolades for doing his homework, at least, and taking the time to work this out for himself in that way, as opposed to the guy(s) who simply write down a name without giving any thought at all.

    As I left the car, the talk was about AL MVP, and how if Joe Mauer didn’t have the season he had, Jeter would win it. Sigh. Jeter will never win MVP because Jeter will never have the power numbers that are looked at; there will always be someone on a contending team who hits more HRs and drives in more runs.

    I don’t have a problem with Mauer winning, he clearly is deserving. Just with the nomenclature of the award. What they mostly reward is the player who had the best season statistically, not necessarily the player with the most value overall.

  82. NYYROC November 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Heard M. Kay on Cowherd today. Some of Kay’s comments:
    1) NYY should get Gonzales for BP 2)Jeter too famous to go out. Jeter likes movies, not a big club scene guy.
    3)When M. Kay’s mother died a few years ago, ARod was the only player to send flowers (team sent flowers, but no individual players did) 4) Sign Damon to 1 year deal 5) Girardi should have gotten more Mgr Of Year votes

  83. DT - OPPC member November 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    I used the online version of Taiwanese translator for dummies –

    “To prove his foot his fine, Wang has told Dodger officials he will run from NY to LA ala Forrest Gump. When he gets to LA, he may decide to just turn around and run back to NY. “It’s all good, No more Liz and Frank worries”, Wang replied.”

  84. Phil November 20th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    The Stove Be Cold.

  85. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    I appreciate everything Wang has done for us in the past, but with respect to the onslaught of injuries over the past two seasons, I hope the Yankees only offer him incentive laden contract options.

    If he has a problem with that, let him go pitch for Torre and we can use the money elsewhere.

    Foot issues, shoulder issues (second time around, mind you)…I don’t imagine Wang will be back to form any sooner than 2011 and that is optimistic.

  86. Borat November 20th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    I think Wang’s years are behind him. He was solid for 2-3 years, he’s mental now. Maybe needs whatever they gave Grienke? I’d set him free if I was Cashman. If he moves the NL, he may fair better, but he does have to run the bases. Thats the specific action that started his horrific two seasons.

  87. tex's friend November 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Jeter will never win MVP because Jeter will never have the power numbers that are looked at;

    ___

    like the undeserving dustin pedroia?

    jeter 09 >>>>>>>> pedroia 08

    jeters numbers were far better than ped’s were last year. friggin elf.

  88. NYYROC November 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Erica, how about a contest picking the first FA to be signed by any team or first signed by NYY?

  89. vin November 20th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    “Erica, how about a contest picking the first FA to be signed by any team or first signed by NYY?”

    I like the NYY idea. Would be fun.

  90. Nick in SF in Vallejo November 20th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Just tell Wang to find the best deal he can and then top it.

    Taiwan is the source of the best green tea on the planet — I’ve been to some of the counties, like Nantou, where it’s grown.

    There is no way I want to see Joe Torre have access to that green tea. It’s Bigelow green tea that’s been undermining Torre ans his teams for years.

    Wang + Torre + Taiwanese grren tea = 2010 trouble. Don’t let that happen, Mr. Cashman!

  91. austinmac November 20th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Erica, now we can all post without feeling guilty for your newly needed reserve.

    Contest suggestion–take the first ten free agent names listed in the Yahoo article above and have the contest be the person who correctly guesses(devises, devines or otherwise determines)where each signs.

  92. Doreen November 20th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    tex’s friend -

    That and the entire if you play in NY you better be way better than anyone else, a la Alex Rodriguez pre-PED admission.

    I’m actually surprised Pedroia was able to win it. Because he had competition from someone on his own team. So, that can be seen as a “cancelling out” type of thing.

    Also, this year, a case can be made that Teixeira had an MVP year – but similiar to Jeter, his value wasn’t just tangible offensive numbers. It was his defense AND the way his defense improved the defense of the entire infield.

    And then you could argue, though he’s not a candidate this season, that ARod was the Yankees’s MVP.

    Or Mariano.

    So, part of the problem for any NY Yankee player, especially this season, is that there were a lot of players who added a great deal of value to the team. Which one added the most?

    It’s a lot easier when there’s a Joe Mauer type out there. he’s got the offensive numbers, he plays a key and difficult defensive position at which he won a gold glove, and there was no one on his own team who came close.

    It’s all okay, though. Our guys have a trophy and they’ll each get a ring.

    Much better, I think, when after a season is done, you can argue which of about 6 players was the most valuable in bringing a championship. It truly was a team effort.

  93. KF November 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Erica,
    Side note- I am off from work today = Posting without fear … YAY!!!!!!

    ************************
    I read through a few of your posts the other day about your internet restriction at work ;-( why not bring in a laptop and tether it to a blackberry or other smartphone and surf at your leisure when you have some down time at the office.

  94. SmackethDowneth November 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Okay – I’m in.
    1st free agent signed by Yanks = Sergio Mitre` :-)
    [brought back on a MiLB contract].

  95. tex's friend November 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    “Erica, how about a contest picking the first FA to be signed by any team or first signed by NYY?”

    ___

    Matsui for 1/$8M

  96. tex's friend November 20th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Much better, I think, when after a season is done, you can argue which of about 6 players was the most valuable in bringing a championship. It truly was a team effort.

    ___

    100% agree

  97. vin November 20th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    “jeter 09 >>>>>>>> pedroia 08

    jeters numbers were far better than ped’s were last year. friggin elf.

    Timing is everything when it comes to winning MVPs. There was no clear cut leader in ’08.
    Mourneau finished 2nd, but only SLG’d .499.
    Mauer’s power hadn’t yet come around.
    Carlos Quentin was great, then broke his hand.

    Jeter’s 2 best years were ’99 (finished 6th), and ’06 (finished 2nd to Morneau).

    He had no chance in ’99 because of all the great sluggers, plus Robby Alomar and Pedro Martinez.

    2006 was close, obviously, but Morneau was deserving in a sense. He had good numbers at all the traditional categories that voters like (ie HRs, RBI, BA), and played a full season. If Jeter was going to win that year, it would’ve been because of two reasons:
    1) great offense from a defensive position
    2) sentimentality.

  98. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    NYYROC
    November 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
    Heard M. Kay on Cowherd today. Some of Kay’s comments:
    1) NYY should get Gonzales for BP 2)Jeter too famous to go out. Jeter likes movies, not a big club scene guy.
    3)When M. Kay’s mother died a few years ago, ARod was the only player to send flowers (team sent flowers, but no individual players did) 4) Sign Damon to 1 year deal 5) Girardi should have gotten more Mgr Of Year votes

    ******************
    Interesting stuff. That Alex, he’s such a nice guy!! :)

  99. Doreen November 20th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    vin -

    If I recall, in 2006, Morneau was especially strong in the 2nd half of the season, which helped the Twins immensely.

    Jeter, on the other hand, was strong all year. Very consistent. And his strength in the first half of the season was huge, but because the season seems to divide itself at the ASB, anything that happens after the ASB is seen as more important because it’s closer to the pennant run.

    Jeter was truly, truly, truly robbed in 2006.

  100. Nick in SF in Vallejo, hometown of champion pitcher CC Sabathia November 20th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    The fact that Pedroyer was able to cast a spell over MVP voters belies his claim that he is not a magic person.

  101. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    November 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Side note- I am off from work today = Posting without fear … YAY!!!!!!

    ****************
    Always good to have a Friday off. :)

  102. jennifer November 20th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    I’m taking Wednesday off!

  103. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Nick,

    Green tea is a highly valuable commodity, but I’m more of a coffee guy…with that, are there any crazy Columbian pitchers we could replace him with?

  104. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    tex’s friend,

    I think Matsui is going to get more play from other AL teams that could use a DH…Angels, Seattle, ChiSox, probably others.

    I think an ideal situation for that dude would be playing indoors.

    $8 million sounds about right though.

  105. S.o.S. November 20th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Thursday off!!

  106. Nick in SF in Vallejo, hometown of champion pitcher CC Sabathia November 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Mad Prince, I don’t know much about Columbia, its cofee, or its pitching prospects, though I’ve heard that scouts are looking at a fireballer named Juan Valdez. Or maybe he’s a speedballer — always a danger.

    (please don’t take offense, columbia yankee fans, it’s just a joke!)

    I drink green tea and coffee both, but that’s because I’m an open-minded and open-hearted person who loves people and wants the Yankees to win. Of course you’re free to feel otherwise. ;)

  107. S.o.S. November 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Hey,any news on that cuban pitcher?

  108. CR9 November 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Doreen
    You are right. Jeter was robbed in 2006. Jeter’s stats compared more favorable to Morneau in 2006 than PEDroia’s stats in 2008 compared to Morneau in 2008.

  109. raymagnetic November 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    “The thing with Wang is that he was mis-cast as a #1 starter. He never has been a #1 starter but would be great as a middle to back end of the rotation guy if he’s healthy and can get his sinker back.”

    :???: You obviously have NEVER seen him pitch and have NEVER seen the numbers he put up.

    He’s a better pitcher than AJ Burnett.

  110. CR9 November 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    vin
    Morneau had an OPS+ 12 points higher than PED in 2008, IIRC.

  111. S.o.S. November 20th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    What are your thoughts on maybe picking up a pitcher thats been in the a.l. and might come cheap. Doooshnerer?

  112. raymagnetic November 20th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    “I have some doubts about Lincecum being able to hold up long term. He has a pretty violent delivery and that will take its toll on his type of body.”

    The thing is he’s never suffered an injury in his life and he’s been pitching that way his whole life.

  113. E-gawa November 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    It would be flat out stupid to give up on Wang. His proven potential outweighs everything else. I don’t think the Yankees would be that insane to let him go.

  114. Erica - always OPPC November 20th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    vin
    November 20th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
    “Erica, how about a contest picking the first FA to be signed by any team or first signed by NYY?”

    I like the NYY idea. Would be fun.
    ******

    Okay- I like this… details to follow in my next post

  115. Doreen November 20th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    When Wang was healthy, he was a much more dependable and consistent pitcher than AJ Burnett was in 2009. He would have slotted perfectly in the #2 spot had he been the CMW we’d come to know and love. His infield loved playing behind him.

    I hope the Yankees give him a shot; and I hope he defies all the odds to make it back.

  116. Nick in SF in Vallejo, hometown of champion pitcher CC Sabathia November 20th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    S.o.S.: if you look at threads from a few days ago, there was one on the Cuban pitcher, Chapman. No real news, other than he had some bling on, he was in the Stadium for ALCS game six, and the Yanks will be players on some level for his services.

  117. Erica - always OPPC November 20th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    CONTEST TIME!!!!!

    Guess What Free Agent The Yankees Will Sign First

    I’ll accept posts until 5pm tonight. (I have company coming later and more baking to do). Here’s the only rule- the named free agent MUST come from the Yahoo list of 131 Free Agents (linked below from reference).

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

  118. Erica - always OPPC November 20th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    that he is not a magic person.

    Erin
    November 20th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
    Erica – always OPPC
    November 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Side note- I am off from work today = Posting without fear … YAY!!!!!!

    ****************
    Always good to have a Friday off.

    *******

    I agree- It was semi-annual hair day :-)

    I am debating a brief nap before I need to get in the kitchen again

  119. vinny-b (lock up Girardi and let Jeter wait) November 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    “please don’t take offense, columbia yankee fans, it’s just a joke!”
    —————————-

    touche’

  120. Erica - always OPPC November 20th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    KF
    November 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
    Erica,
    Side note- I am off from work today = Posting without fear … YAY!!!!!!

    ************************
    I read through a few of your posts the other day about your internet restriction at work ;-( why not bring in a laptop and tether it to a blackberry or other smartphone and surf at your leisure when you have some down time at the office.
    ******

    way too complicated… and I’d probably still manage to get in trouble :-)

  121. S.o.S. November 20th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Thanks Nick. I was under a rock for a couple weeks.

    So i read that the White Sox are close to signing Visquel. The man is 42!! Where does his slick fielding rank in history?

  122. tex's friend November 20th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Matsui: $1/8M

  123. tex's friend November 20th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    i mean 1 year $8m

  124. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Doreen, Raymagnetic, et al,

    I don’t think anyone is questioning Wang’s ability before he got injured.

    Obviously is numbers were great and he was reliable.

    But he’s now suffered two pretty gnarly injuries in consecutive years, one the result of the other and that same one being a recurrence.

    Its hard to believe the he is going to be useful to the Yankees until 2011 at the earliest. Lower extremity issue followed by shoulder issue is a bad recipe.

    Not only does he have to get healthy, he has to rehab. People who think he’ll be back to form in 2010 are CRAZY.

    He very well may never get back to form which is why you offer him an incentive laden contract and nothing more. Just my opinion.

  125. Erica - always OPPC November 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Guess What Free Angent The Yankees Sign First

    Some clarifications-
    1) Must come from this list http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
    2) You do not need to post contract terms. Just get the name right
    3) You have until 5pm tonight

    And Tex’s Friend, I have you in

  126. no.27 November 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    One of the things going for Wang is that he’s come back from shoulder injuries before and pitched well. After the last time he hurt his shoulder, he went away from his slider because the idea was that that was the pitch that was putting the strain on his arm. When his sinker wasn’t sinking this year, he threw more sliders. Maybe that’s what caused him to get hurt again.

    Wang is going to have a tough time as a free agent this year because there are so many other good young pitchers coming off injuries available. Sheets, Bedard, Harden, and Duschere are in the same boat as Wang, except Wang was by far the worst of the group the last time he pitched.

    His advantage with resigning with the Yankees is that atleast the Yankees know that if he’s healthy he can handle pitching in New York and in the AL East. That’s not something you can assume with any of the other guys on that list.

  127. NYYROC November 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Erica, thanks for running the contest. My pick is Andy Pettite. I think he is the first order of business for the NYY. Once they sign him, other things can fall into place. I don’t think the team will play “hardball” with him like last year, especially after the season he had, I think they offer 1 year $11MM.

  128. tex's friend November 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    good stuff.

  129. raymagnetic November 20th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    “Jeter’s 2 best years were ‘99 (finished 6th), and ‘06 (finished 2nd to Morneau).

    He had no chance in ‘99 because of all the great sluggers, plus Robby Alomar and Pedro Martinez.

    2006 was close, obviously, but Morneau was deserving in a sense. He had good numbers at all the traditional categories that voters like (ie HRs, RBI, BA), and played a full season. If Jeter was going to win that year, it would’ve been because of two reasons:
    1) great offense from a defensive position
    2) sentimentality.”

    In 99 Jeter had 70 extra base hits. Slugging isn’t just about hitting homeruns. Jeter was also the best player in baseball that year.

    In ’06 he should have won simply because he had a better year than Morneau.

    I also would have no problem if he won it this year. He was the best player on the best team in the league.

    I actually find it amazing how underrated Jeter is as a hitter.

  130. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Erica: Andy Pettitte

    Thanks!!

  131. DT - OPPC member November 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    The last great Yankee player from Columbia was Dooley Womack.

  132. William Buckner November 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Erica,

    John Damon.

  133. S.o.S. November 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Free agents Yankees should get.
    1.Mark Scutaroo-reason-Yankee killer
    2.Brad Penny-reason-So Gammons and the media can give us props on signing a low risk high reward guy that is throwing in Gammons radar gun 99.
    3.Pedro Martinez-reaason-So the Yankees can do that soap in towell scene from Full Metal Jacket on him.
    4.Bengie Molina-reason-Keeping it in the family
    5.Smoltz-see #2
    6.Kiko Calero-reason-Cant resist the name.
    7.Coco Crisp-just to have Kiko and Coco on the same team
    8.Rick Ankeil-reason-To throw at some red sox hitters. Cant get kicked out, universally known to be eratic.
    9.Scott Podsednic-To watch him have a foot race vs. Gardner
    10.Nomar and Tejada-Ride the pine watching Jeter play short.
    11.Bobby Crosby-See how many of us accidently call him Bubba.

  134. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    SoS,

    NICE..haha

  135. upstate kate November 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Life is good: its Friday, payday, we passed our annual audit, and Erica has a new game :)

    have to go w/ Andy Pettitte

  136. NYYROC November 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    SoS, Good post, LOL!

  137. randy l. November 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    what a bunch of BS on the blog comments today.

    cashman totally burned wang last year.

    he did everything wrong that he possibly could have.

    he instructed wang to do nothing all winter and then never checked out to see if his lower body had weakened from a winter of no activity.

    when wang went into spring training with a severely weakened hip , he was thrown into the regular rotation with no special treatment.

    when his arm angle and release point was so off from compensating for the hip, even i could see it with my eyes on the televised spring training games and pat m and i had a lengthy talk about it on the blog.

    what did the yankees do they kept pitching him with a horrendous release point.

    is there a better way to blow out a shoulder if you were trying?

    and if all this wasn’t bad enough, when wang was finally in the minor leagues on rehab, with the yankees chasing the red sox, joba gets hit with a line drive and cashman panics and calls wang up a good three weeks too soon in his rehab process.

    joba doesn’t miss a start and wang can’t be sent back down and is regulated to the bullpen to lose whatever starter length he had developed.

    cashman blew it so bad if he was a lawyer he’d be disbarred. if he were a doctor, he’d lose his license to practice.

    cashman messed up badly.

    it’s really that simple.

    … and before all you people go crazy, there’s a reason that very few people who have ever drawn a pro paycheck ever come on this blog.

    i’ll tell you straight out that sam knows all kinds of behind the scenes stuff with wang that he’s not saying because he’d be shooting himself in the foot if he did.

    pete knew all kinds of stuff about wang’s relationship with the yankees that he didn’t put on the blog.

    read between the lines folks and quit acting like there’s nothing beyond what’s written in a newspaper or on espn.

    use your heads. think.

    you really think wang was treated well this past winter and spring by the yankees?

    he was abused as a pitcher by the yankees.

    wang’s problem is he takes orders too well.

    the yankees have been messing with wang for years because they didn’t understand him as a pitcher.

    anyone who thinks that the yankees don’t have a stat head behind the scenes that has cashman’s ear would be wrong. they have never liked the way wang pitches.

    wang needs to stand up for himself and tell cashman where to go and move on to a place that understands sinker ball pitchers.

    as jerkface pointed out to me , the cardinals push the two seam fastball or sinker so that would be as good a place as any.

    torre asked neil allen, wang’s mentor, about being his pitching coach when he got the dodger job, so he obviously has neil’s number if the dodgers got wang. it shouldn’t be too hard to pry him from the rays.

  138. Phil November 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Jeter was the best player in baseball in `99, that he was not the AL MVP was pure idiocy.

  139. Nick in SF in Vallejo, hometown of champion pitcher CC Sabathia November 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    That’s some good stuff, S.o.S. Life in the high desert cleared your mind!

  140. betsy November 20th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Anyone else a Star Wars fan? I just bought tickets to the Star Wars in Concert at the Nassau Coliseum out on Long Island. Anthony Daniels, who plays C-3PO, narrates a montage of all the films…..and an orchestra plays music from the films. I think there may even be some memorabilia from the films around the Coliseum – should be a lot of fun.

  141. NYYROC November 20th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    per M. Kay LAA & SF have both said they aren’t interested in Matt Holliday, FWIW.

  142. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    randy l.,

    So much anger!

    Well, if all that is what is “between the lines”, good luck to Wang somewhere else because you just gave me a laundry list of reasons to not want him back.

    You may not like to hear it, but I dig what Cashman is doing in NYY regardless of whether he abused one pitcher. Conversely, he created a situation in which the Yankees wouldn’t have to rely on CC as much so he could dominate in the postseason on three days rest if necessary. That worked out pretty darned well.

    Give and take. Give AND Take.

  143. Nick in SF in Vallejo, hometown of champion pitcher CC Sabathia November 20th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    A Wang Truther with a grudge: LoHud trembles!

  144. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    betsy,

    re: Star Wars in Concert.

    THAT IS SOME HARDCORE stuff to attend.

    I’m not knockin you for it, but to go to such an event is HARD CORE…as much as I love the music and movies, I’d rather just listen to it in the films.

    Probably interesting though…certainly can’t compete with a Pink Floyd laser light show :)

  145. raymagnetic November 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Wouldn’t surprise me if the last 3 words uttered out of Randy l’s mouth were

    “Cashman……burned…….Wang”

  146. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Nick,

    Touche

  147. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    raymagnetic.

    hahahahahaha

  148. NYYROC November 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    Wow, M. Kay saying Swisher called him out this year when Kay said, after a 2 RBI double by Swisher, “That’s why you put up with Nick Swisher’s act.” Swish said it’s not an act. Kay, just now, saying it is. Nobody acts like that all the time. Kay doesn’t think NYY will trade Nick, but said his value never higher and now would be a good time to do it.

  149. Andrew November 20th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Chien Ming Wang’s injury was an inside job? Taiwanese Truth

  150. Patrick from CT November 20th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Erica,
    Andy P. should be and will be the first FA signed to a major league deal by the Yankees.

  151. S.o.S. November 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Dont remind me. BTW its Hemet Nick. 40 minutes from Palm Springs. High Deserts a drive.

    Whats all the hostility about Randy? Did he hire you as his agent?
    Chip-Juan Rivera’s agent
    Randy-Wangs?

    Anyone else want to step up and claim a player?

  152. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    NYYROC
    November 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
    Wow, M. Kay saying Swisher called him out this year when Kay said, after a 2 RBI double by Swisher, “That’s why you put up with Nick Swisher’s act.” Swish said it’s not an act. Kay, just now, saying it is. Nobody acts like that all the time. Kay doesn’t think NYY will trade Nick, but said his value never higher and now would be a good time to do it.

    *******************
    I wish Kay would just shut up about Swisher. It’s obvious he doesn’t like him.

  153. Andrew November 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Michael Kay must be dusting off Mike Mussina’s chair as his most-hated Yankees player and fitting it for Nick Swisher, someone with the audacity to question Michael Kay’s expertise and 100%-accuracy.

  154. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    Andrew,

    Players come and go in NY and I tip my cap to Wang for what he did in NYY when he was actually healthy and effective. No one questions that.

    Everyone also wishes it worked out better, that he stayed healthy, yada yada yada…that is the unspoken.

    But he’s not healthy now and probably won’t be until 2011. If someone else wants to dump millions of dollars on the guy, then let them.

    The Yankees should exercise caution and content themselves knowing that they have a plethora of youngsters ready to jump in to the fold.

  155. Nick in SF in Vallejo, hometown of champion pitcher CC Sabathia November 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    Mad Prince: for the record, you are not the Truther in question.

  156. Erin November 20th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Andrew
    November 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
    Michael Kay must be dusting off Mike Mussina’s chair as his most-hated Yankees player and fitting it for Nick Swisher, someone with the audacity to question Michael Kay’s expertise and 100%-accuracy.

    ***************
    Good one! LOL

  157. upstate kate November 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Betsy
    That concert sounds like fun. My son was a huge Star Wars fan growing up. We took him to see the travelling exhibit at the Smithsonian, and saw most of the movies in 3-D. Before he left for college he and his buddies had a Star Wars movie marathon.

  158. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    SoS,

    I represent Scott Proctor.

    And boy did the Yankees burn him!

  159. S.o.S. November 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Anyone else a Star Wars fan? I just bought tickets to the Star Wars in Concert at the Nassau Coliseum out on Long Island. Anthony Daniels, who plays C-3PO, narrates a montage of all the films…..and an orchestra plays music from the films. I think there may even be some memorabilia from the films around the Coliseum – should be a lot of fun.

    =========

    Betsy,
    Im more of a Lord of the Rings guy. But if a Star Wars concert is anything like a movie premier. You better be camped out in front of the theatre a couple months ahead of time. Why do Star Wars fans think that watching the first movie played at midnight is any different than the next day? Is it really worth camping over?

  160. Doreen November 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Mad Prince -

    Oh, I agree it needs to be an incentive laden contract. I just think because of the way the foot injury was handled, overall, and because of cutting short his rehab when Joba got the ball hit off his thigh, that the Yankees need to step up here and make it a realistic offer. If Wang turns it down, so be it. But it needs to happen and it needs to be more than an “oh, well, we tried,” kind of thing.

    Sometimes it’s about more than money.

  161. Andrew November 20th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Mad Prince, I agree with everything you said about Wang in that post, although I wouldn’t mind if the Yankees struck an incentive-heavy deal with Wang that keeps him with the Yankees in 2010 and 2011. But, at the same time, I doubt it happens.

    My jest-filled comment was inspired by discussions of how the fans need to read between the lines and not believe what they’re told.

  162. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Nick in SF

    I see my tea supplier offers Taiwanese tea from all regions, so I may have to order a couple of ounces of green tea from Nantou now.

    I have to say, I have tried some very good Korean green tea – all of these are hand-picked seasonally, vacuum packed and sent to Ito En (NYC) – and some good Chinese greens, but none can ever seem to compare with Japanese green teas (from different prefectures).

    I think I probably prefer the fresher, grassier, “greener” greens over the more roasted, although for the winter months, the latter is usually warmer for the body and a nice departure on occasion.

  163. Uncle Ellsworth (much adieu about nothing) November 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Betsy that will be awesome – I know it.

  164. Doreen November 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    randy l -

    Cashman instructed Wang to rehab last season the way he was advised to. His intent was not to ruin CMW.

    I know how you feel about this issue. I don’t think it was handled in the best way. I agree that he should not have made the club out of spring training. I think the dropped the ball at that point.

    But this is not a typical baseball injury and they were proceeding with caution.

    They screwed up the rehab. But it wasn’t malicious and you really need to stop sounding like Cashman “ruined” CMW intentionally and without any input from anyone else.

    I respect your opinions, very much. And I know this is an emotional issue for you, or at least I surmise it is. But it was an unfortunate situation.

    Wang at least is saying his first choice is NY. If he can rebound from this, maybe you can too.

    (If I sound harsh, I apologize. It’s been a really rough day and my life s-cks right now.)

  165. bmarv November 20th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    The only BS I spot on the blog today is Randy’s long winded conspiracy rant about how Cashman willed Wangs shoulder to explode. Get a life man.

  166. pat November 20th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    “he was abused as a pitcher by the yankees.”

    If he was so abused, his agent should jump at the chance to get him as far away from the Yankees as pssible to save his career because Wang appears to be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

    Sounds like an Intervention might be necessary.

  167. Lord Vader November 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    I just wonder how all these writer and fans so easily forget Wang’s achievements. Two 19 win seasons, 8-2 record in 2008 before injury and all they can call him is a Solid pitcher? What are you guys drinking? And this is despite the horrible defense behind him with Abreu in RF and Giambi at 1st. If he had the current defense working for him in 06 or 07, he would have 20+ wins and CY Young to show for it. As it is, he was in the discussion then.

    I can understand that there is doubt about his ability to come back form injuries and that is a very valid point. However, this revisionist history of calling his performance “solid” or calling him a #4 or #5 starter is ridiculous. If he was healthy, he would be behind only CC and nobody else in this rotation.

    And its ridiculous how people keep saying that Yanks should try to get him on the cheap? Come on.. These are yankees. They spent 40 million on Carl “American Idle” Pavano and now you want them to be cheap on a proven winner? They already did that once with him by taking him to arbitration for 600K. It just leaves bad taste in the mouth. Yanks better pay up if for nothing else than to recognize his contributions in the past and if not, just let him go with dignity. There will be plenty of teams lining up to sign him up. He will be just dominating with a decent defense behind him.

  168. CC Rider November 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    vin-

    Jeter deserved the MVP in 2006 and it has nothing to do with sentimentality. Even a lot of stat-heads will admit that Jeter should have won it that year (he had a good case for 1999 as well, but had at least three PED-tainted players ahead of him). If you’re statistically-inclined look at how his stats compare to other candidates in 2006 on this site: http://www.waswatching.com/arc.....rs_mv.html

    Now tell me he wasn’t robbed. Also I remember some writers say that year that they held it against him that in their opinion he wasn’t being a good captain/leader, because he didn’t speak up enough about certain issues at the time and put that as a reason not to put him on top in their ballot, instead of basing it purely on his on-the-field performance.

  169. Nick in SF in Vallejo, hometown of champion pitcher CC Sabathia November 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Bodhi: my statement about Taiwan producing the best green tea was hyperbolic; I know it produces great tea, but I haven’t studies the tea growers’ coaches poll or latest BCS rankings.

    No doubt the Japanese would thinks their tea is the best; why should that be diffent from anything else?

    I imagine that Red China would produce excellent green tea as well. They wouldn’t blink at sacrificing the lives of a million tea growers to make a better strain of tea leaves… brutal but effective.

  170. Doreen November 20th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Carl Pavano wasn’t and “idle” until after he signed his contract; I suspect if the Yankees knew what they were going to get, they wouldn’t have gotten him. It was unfortunate.

    The reason Wang’s deal needs to be an incentive-laden, yet fair, deal is because of the two shoulder surgeries he’s already had.

  171. Doreen November 20th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    CC Rider -

    I had forgotten about that aspect of the 2006 season! Yes, that was the year Jeter didn’t tell the fans to give ARod a break. And it was given a lot of press.

  172. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes November 20th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    November 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
    Bodhi: my statement about Taiwan producing the best green tea was hyperbolic; I know it produces great tea, but I haven’t studies the tea growers’ coaches poll or latest BCS rankings.
    =====

    I’m always interested in a new tea experience. I drink about 6-7 cups a day (counting oolong, and the occasional chai from scratch if it’s freezing out). Last week, I ran out of black tea for chai, so I made cardamom coffee. Very good.

    I can’t take Torre seriously, if he’s really a Bigelow guy and not just the spokesman. Maybe it’s like Jeter with Ford – doesn’t actually drive one.

  173. Phil November 20th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Remember, Michael Kay is a lot closer with Joe Girardi than he was with Joe Torre.

  174. crawdaddy November 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Doreen,

    Actually, I think you’re being too nice as this person seems to have some issues in which he might need some professional help.

  175. melky gardner November 20th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    “If Wang can come back and be like he had been, just think about the added defense from Teixeira, Cano, Jeter and Alex on the infield, double play balls with fewer errors… it would probably make him look even better.”

    Good point Abdababdaserser. It’s downright scary how many wins Wang might rack up with Tex on first instead of….well just about anyone else, but especially Giambi. Not to dump on the stache, cause I like the guy but it must have made Wang sweat out there knowing he was the first line of defense.

    Even our backup guys are stronger now. Look at Pena, for ex. If Wang can come back he’d at least have one less problem to worry about.

  176. Boogie Down- Hot Stove November 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Hey,

    The Yanks paid Pavano to sit on his bruised buttocks for four seasons, they can figure out something for Wang.

  177. Nevada Yank November 21st, 2009 at 10:46 am

    So tired of hearing about a certain guy is back of the rotation or middle of the rotation ! If you a starter, your a starter ! They don’t finsh each year with stats that always warrant their spot in the rotation do they ?
    As far as Wang, just have a gut feeling he doesn’t have the “make up” or “moxie” as we use to call it to make it. Shoulder injuries are very scary. To me, he was a little overrated, always in jams with walks. The amount of money you might give him has NOTHING to do with it. He won’t make it all the way back, period. You give money to hopefully people you can count on! At this point, he no better than a Mitre and look where he is now!

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